[00:04] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1211798 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/package.cpp Use const references
[01:40] <ScottK> Sigh.  No vorian.
[01:42] <stalcup> anything really
[01:42] <stalcup> no on 5.5.5
[01:42] <stalcup> ?
[01:43] <ScottK> stalcup: Ah.  There you are.
[01:43] <stalcup> yes
[01:43] <ScottK> stalcup: Are you going to be able to work on 4.5.5 tonight?
[01:43] <ScottK> stalcup: Is your ssh key on ktown?
[01:43] <stalcup> I should be able to
[01:43] <stalcup> not right now
[01:44] <ScottK> I think I can put it there.  What key should I use?
[01:44] <ScottK> We just pull tarballs from there now.
[01:44] <stalcup> hold uno momento
[01:46] <ScottK> stalcup: Also what email address is best for you now?  PM is fine if you prefer.
[01:46] <stalcup> vorian@ubuntu.com
[01:46] <ScottK> OK.
[01:49] <stalcup> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/550460/
[01:49] <stalcup> i have to run for an hour
[01:49] <stalcup> but then i'll have all night
[01:50] <ScottK> Cool.
[01:51] <ScottK> stalcup: You should have access now.  Add:
[01:51] <ScottK> Host ktown.kde.org
[01:51] <ScottK>   User ftpubuntu
[01:51] <ScottK> to .ssh/config and ssh in to get tarballs.
[01:59] <apachelogger> my dear friends
[02:00] <apachelogger> phonon-gst from git master now has kickass support for codec installation on the fly
[02:17] <apachelogger> anyone still alive in the lands of qoubuntoo?
[02:20] <freeflying> apachelogger: what
[02:20] <apachelogger> I have a video in a bit
[02:20]  * apachelogger needs appreciation
[02:21]  * freeflying appreciate apachelogger's job :)
[02:25] <ScottK> apachelogger: Is the pbuilder magic recreated on .110?
[02:25] <apachelogger> no
[02:25]  * ScottK will claim alive status for the moment...
[02:25] <apachelogger> I spent all day doing phonon stuff
[02:25] <ScottK> OK.
[02:25] <apachelogger> oh, vlc conversion ate the version no
[02:25] <apachelogger> silly thing
[02:26] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/phonon-gst-codec-install-awesomeness.mp4
[02:26] <apachelogger> it is the magic right there
[03:14] <apachelogger> anyone claiming alive status right now?
[03:24] <Daskreech> ping anyone
[03:26] <apachelogger> Daskreech: congrats, you have just won the opprtunity to promote phonon :P
[03:27] <apachelogger> Daskreech: http://identi.ca/notice/61557018
[03:27] <apachelogger> there you go
[03:27] <apachelogger> rock it!
[03:28] <Daskreech> ha I just read this
[03:30]  * apachelogger is all sorts of tired and has a date with his bed
[03:30] <apachelogger> o/
[03:30] <Daskreech> Night
[03:30] <Daskreech> ♻ed
[04:24] <stalcup> i'm alive
[04:25] <Daskreech> So is Johnny 5
[04:26] <ScottK> stalcup: Did you get access to the tarballs OK?
[04:27] <stalcup> working on it now
[04:28] <ScottK> OK.  Let me know if there's a problem.
[04:30] <ScottK> !Ninjas | KDE 4.5.95 (AKA 4.6 RC2) is needing packaging!
[04:31]  * ScottK is taking a look at kdelibs for 4.5.95
[04:32] <stalcup> i just have a few more configs to make
[04:32] <Daskreech> damn you ScottK
[04:33] <stalcup> i'll stay up all night if needed
[04:33] <ScottK> stalcup: Excellent.  Our first recent post-release update (4.4.5 for Lucid) got copied to -updates today, so if we can get 4.5.5 tested, we can do the same with it.
[04:38] <stalcup> ScottK: excellent
[04:38] <stalcup> then I can work on .95
[04:38] <stalcup> prolly tomorrow
[04:40] <ScottK> Riddell and others should be around to work on 4.5.95 tomorrow too.
[04:44] <stalcup> that's really goood news
[04:55] <ScottK> apachelogger or Riddell: debian/patches/security_01_CVE-2009-2702.diff in kdelibs is still not applied upstream.  Would one of you consider just committing it so KDE doesn't release with an avoidable open CVE.
[06:24] <stalcup> Is there a wiki page for the 4.5.5 packages? ( or any of the 4.*)
[06:34] <ScottK> stalcup: No.  AFAIK this is the first time in a long time we've had two hit at the same time.
[06:34] <stalcup> ok, no problemo
[06:34] <stalcup> ScottK: can I give you a different key - this one is acting weird
[06:34] <ScottK> stalcup: Sure
[06:36] <stalcup> http://paste.ubuntu.com/550507/
[06:36] <stalcup> thanks
[06:36] <stalcup> being a 5.5 release, should be pretty straight forward
[06:37] <ScottK> stalcup: Done.
[06:37] <ScottK> Yep.
[06:37] <stalcup> thanks
[06:37] <kubotu> no thanks itd take me a week
[06:38] <stalcup> I keep getting denied ScottK 
[06:38] <ScottK> Sigh.
[06:39] <ScottK> stalcup: Are you using the username I said before?
[06:39] <stalcup> ftpubuntu?
[06:40] <ScottK> Yes.
[06:41] <stalcup> grrr
[06:41] <ScottK> stalcup: Try it again.
[06:42] <stalcup> nope
[06:42] <stalcup> steve@liger:~$ ssh ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org
[06:42] <stalcup> Agent admitted failure to sign using the key.
[06:42] <stalcup> Permission denied (publickey).
[06:42] <stalcup> maybe it takes time
[06:43] <stalcup> let me drop by kde-devel
[06:43] <ScottK> stalcup: #kdesysadmin more likely I suspect.
[06:44] <stalcup> ah, groovie
[06:47] <stalcup> ScottK: have a nother name perhaps?  that channel does not exist
[06:47] <ScottK> stalcup: Sorry.  #kde-sysadmin
[06:47] <stalcup> ah
[06:48] <stalcup> ok, time to wait and see
[06:49] <stalcup> I cant believe you are still up ScottK 
[06:49] <ScottK> Me neither.
[06:49] <stalcup> ha
[06:51] <ScottK> stalcup: You have another key in authorized_keys steve@macbookpro-f81edfeef4b8.local
[06:51] <ScottK> Still got that one?
[06:51] <stalcup> no, I linuxized my macbook
[06:51] <stalcup> maybe you could replace it?
[06:54] <ScottK> I can remove that one.
[06:55] <ScottK> stalcup: Done
[06:55]  * stalcup tries
[06:55] <stalcup> hrm
[06:56] <stalcup> let me try one other thing
[06:57] <stalcup> ok, another key
[06:57] <stalcup> http://paste.ubuntu.com/550508/
[07:01] <ScottK> stalcup: Added that one.
[07:01] <kubotu> instead of a window manager issue that was what I can remove that one.
[07:03] <ScottK> stalcup: I think I've had enough fun for one night.  I'm going to bed.  If kubotu is who I think it is, he could fix it too if you need more help.
[07:03] <stalcup> nini
[07:04] <stalcup> common kubotu, help a brother out with some proposed updates
[07:06] <stalcup> I really don't know what else to do
[07:08]  * stalcup hopes is public
[07:12] <stalcup> what's the public fileserver?
[08:50] <Riddell> ScottK: when I asked jefferai about debian/patches/security_01_CVE-2009-2702.diff he's said that kde-security (of which he's the only active member) are in discussions with fedora about a few security patches and that was probably one of them
[08:50] <kubotu> there are some issues, but basic power and disk management stuff seems to ~work, so i spent a few more tomorrow
[08:50] <jefferai> Riddell: that's not really what I said, but close enough for most purposes
[08:52] <Riddell> mm hmm?
[09:04] <jefferai> Riddell: ping me again later if you like, need to head to bed
[09:04] <valorie> ok, installed 4.6
[09:05] <valorie> let's see if this lappy will reboot
[09:05] <valorie> :-)
[09:56] <valorie> added my upgrade success to the wiki
[11:16] <jussi> agateau: you rock my world!!!
[11:16] <jussi> "I originally planned to fix the blurriness of the piechart progress indicator in the network-management Plasma applet but did not succeed. I worked around the bug by turning it into a Plasma-themed mini progress bar, which Sebas approved:"
[11:16] <jussi> I hated that pie chart thing
[11:17] <Riddell> he's good like that is agateau 
[11:17] <Riddell> maybe january will be another month where his blog posts are the only ones I deem worthy of flattring
[11:20] <agateau> Riddell: hehe :)
[11:20] <agateau> jussi: great to here you like it!
[11:46] <Nightrose> Riddell: *sob*
[11:46] <Nightrose> so mine aren't worth flattering? ;-)
[11:48] <Riddell> Nightrose: hmm, either I've not come across any blog posts of yours recently or haven't noticed them being flattrable
[11:49] <Nightrose> heh
[11:49] <Nightrose> i just have one button in teh sidebar of my blog
[11:49] <kubotu> just have an answer about that one.
[11:49] <Nightrose> maybe i should change that
[11:49] <Nightrose> kubotu: yes? ;-)
[11:50] <Riddell> oh no, kubotu is back on random comments mode
[11:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: can't you stop that?
[11:52] <Riddell> Nightrose: needs to be on planet for me to see it generally
[11:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: if you did not kick him all the time...
[11:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: how does that affect it?
[11:54] <apachelogger> I cannot shout at it
[11:55] <apachelogger> and quassel has inobvious ways of opening a query
[11:55] <apachelogger> consequently I have no idea how to query kubotu
[11:55] <apachelogger> lets change to konversation....
[11:56] <Nightrose> apachelogger: /query kubotu foo
[11:56] <Riddell>  /query ?
[11:57] <apachelogger> how is a user supposed to know that :P
[11:58] <Riddell> how long have you been using irc and you don't know it uses /query ?
[12:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: I do know, I was making a point about quassel
[12:03] <Nightrose> it's not any easier on konversation if the user sin't in the channel no?
[12:04] <Riddell> irc just isn't very user friendly in general
[12:04] <apachelogger> ack
[12:04] <apachelogger> stupid old protocols
[12:05] <apachelogger> Nightrose: didnt it have a dedicated button
[12:05] <apachelogger> "annoy someone in private"
[12:05] <Nightrose> hmm possibly - don't remember one
[12:06] <konvilogger> it does not have one either
[12:06]  * konvilogger waves fist at user friendlyness of IRC clients
[12:07] <konvilogger> nothing in sight, but I can change irc colors ^^
[12:07] <konvilogger> hello
[12:08] <konvilogger> that is not as nice as in quassel ... in konvi a dialog pops up making you select a color, so if you want to use multiple colors in one message you get a quite interrupted work flow
[12:09] <Riddell> irc clients not making it obvious how to use colours is no bad thing
[12:09] <apachelogger> ^^
[12:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: annma on #kde-devel is phonon question (just incase you are in a mood to help)
[12:56] <jussi> Quassel colours are really easy... :) 
[13:17] <Riddell> Client.InstanceLimitExceeded: 20 instance(s) are already running.
[13:17] <Riddell> hmm, ec2 not quite understanding its own purpose in life?
[13:17] <apachelogger> lol
[13:42] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I got some symbol differences in kde4libs 4.5.95.  Could you investigate? http://pastebin.com/yw84BitX
[13:47] <trichard_> why is kopete still on 4.5.85a?
[13:48] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: pimlibs too http://pastebin.com/kHymkCpi
[13:48] <ScottK> trichard_: Because we never got kdenetwork 4.5.90 to build.
[13:54] <ScottK> Sigh. "With 2.x, digiKam include now all shared libraries maintained by digiKam team plus kipi-plugins source code, as a software collection. The goal is to simplify packaging to reduce external dependencies."
[13:55] <stalcup> grrr
[13:55] <stalcup> still cant access ktown
[13:56] <stalcup> Riddell: can you help a brother out (with ktown access)?
[13:56] <Riddell> stalcup: yo, let me look
[13:56] <stalcup> thanks
[13:56] <stalcup> http://paste.ubuntu.com/550508/
[13:58] <Riddell> stalcup: that's in the authorized_keys
[13:59] <Riddell> pastebin   ssh -v ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org
[13:59] <stalcup> ssh -v ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org
[13:59] <stalcup> grrr
[14:00] <stalcup> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/550648/
[14:02] <Riddell> well it's not liking your key for some reason
[14:03] <Riddell> is /home/steve/.ssh/id_rsa.pub really "...l3CDa4tiNOAv steve@liger" ?
[14:04] <stalcup> yes
[14:04] <stalcup> here's a dsa key
[14:06] <stalcup> actually, hold on two shakes
[14:07] <stalcup> http://paste.ubuntu.com/550650/
[14:07] <stalcup> Riddell: maybe that will help
[14:08] <Riddell> stalcup: added, but shouldn't it have a comment field at the end?
[14:08] <stalcup> that's what I was thinking :/
[14:08] <Riddell> can you log in now?
[14:09] <stalcup> Riddell: yep
[14:09] <stalcup> now to get to work on 4.5.5
[14:09] <stalcup> thanks a million!
[14:09] <Riddell> great
[14:10] <Riddell> stalcup: start by making a wiki page by copying and adapting https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
[14:10] <Riddell> call it https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging/4.5.5 or something
[14:10] <stalcup> Okay
[14:14] <yofel_> Riddell:  https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/oxygen-icons/4.5.95/+merge/45238
[14:14] <Riddell> yofel: awesome thanks
[14:14] <Riddell> I'm packaging some 4.5.95 bits, I need to update the wiki page
[14:15] <Riddell> playing around with scriping ec2 so it's all a bit messy currently
[14:15] <yofel> ah, doing bindings?
[14:17] <Riddell> yofel: no
[14:17] <Riddell> yo go ahead
[14:17] <Riddell> you go ahead
[14:17] <Riddell> wiki updated
[14:17] <yofel> will do
[14:36] <Riddell> yofel: hmm, sip upgrade needed?
[14:42] <stalcup> silly wiki
[14:48] <Riddell> stalcup: do you have a plan?
[14:48] <Riddell> i.e. where will the packages go, what versions of ubuntu are they being made for, what version number being used?
[14:49] <stalcup> i actually don't have a plan
[14:49] <stalcup> not that I'm lazy, I was just trying to get access for the past few hours
[14:50] <stalcup> i think these are -proposed, iirc
[14:50] <stalcup> what ppa would be best?
[14:50] <Riddell> yeah, frustrating when something like ssh keys being faffy blocks everything
[14:51] <stalcup> hehe
[14:51] <Riddell> it wants to go into https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa once ready
[14:51] <stalcup> okay
[14:51] <Riddell> normally it would go into kubuntu-ninjas ppa to prepare it
[14:51] <Riddell> but that's being used for 4.6 RC 2
[14:51] <Riddell> so need to use kubuntu-ppa/staging I guess
[14:51] <stalcup> I'm not sure i'm on that team
[14:52] <Riddell> ~vorian is an administrator of kubuntu-ninjas
[14:53] <Riddell> which gives you access to kubuntu-ppa too
[14:53] <Riddell> so I think plan is
[14:53] <stalcup> ah, silly me
[14:53] <Riddell> delete the packages in staging
[14:54] <stalcup> okay
[14:54] <Riddell> build locally with 4:4.5.5-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1  version number using packaging from kubuntu-ppa/ppa
[14:54] <Riddell> upload to staging
[14:54] <Riddell> test
[14:54] <Riddell> copy to kubuntu-ppa/ppa
[14:54] <stalcup> good plan
[14:55] <Riddell> groovy, can you put it on that wiki page before we forget?
[14:55] <stalcup> done
[14:55] <stalcup> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging/4.5.5
[14:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ping
[14:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: piiiiing
[14:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ping ping
[14:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ring
[14:58]  * apachelogger gets the impression that shadeslayer is not around
[15:02] <yofel> Riddell: had something urgent to take care of, yes, sip upgrade needed :S
[15:05] <apachelogger> there appears to be a packaging bug in 4.6 as I get a mobilefiber background in the plasma selection thingy?
[15:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's one of them?
[15:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: pardon?
[15:08] <Riddell> what's a mobilefiber background in the plasma selection thingy?
[15:08] <apachelogger> sec
[15:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot133.png
[15:09] <apachelogger> first one
[15:09] <apachelogger> oh
[15:09] <apachelogger> maybe I have plasma-mobile installed
[15:09] <yofel> probably, I don't have that here
[15:10] <apachelogger> yes
[15:10] <apachelogger> nvm me I am being silly :)
[15:14] <Quintasan> RC 2 I hear?
[15:15] <Quintasan> Riddell: ping
[15:16] <Riddell> hi Quintasan 
[15:16] <yofel> Riddell: where on the wiki page should I put that I'm working on sip? sip4-qt3 ? (why qt3?)
[15:16] <Riddell> yes, sip4-qt3
[15:17] <Riddell> that's the source package name used by debian (and thus us)
[15:17] <Quintasan> Riddell: Was next UDS place decided yet? I can't remember anything about this >_<
[15:17] <Quintasan> yofel: What are you working on within it?
[15:17] <yofel> Quintasan: new release
[15:17] <Quintasan> I'm not sure anything was done about my changes in Debian :/
[15:17] <Riddell> once upon a time there were variants of sip for other libraries but they've since died and now the name is inaccurate, there was a bug about this in debian
[15:18] <yofel> ah, k
[15:18] <Quintasan> ScottK: ping
[15:18] <Riddell> Quintasan: you have to read twitter to learn about such things I think http://twitter.com/jasoncwarner/status/29114149703
[15:19] <Riddell> 9-13th May says maco 
[15:19] <Quintasan> Riddell: I deleted my Twitter account due to my time disappering somewhere ;)
[15:19] <Quintasan> As well as Facebook
[15:19] <Riddell> Quintasan: yes RC 2 is needing packaged
[15:19] <Riddell> see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging and join in the fun
[15:19] <Quintasan> Great, now I wonder about the SIP magic
[15:19] <Riddell> Quintasan: what sip magic?
[15:20] <Quintasan> I've tried to update the sip in debian (adding Python 3.0 stuff) but I'm not sure if the changes were accepted or not.
[15:20] <Riddell> Quintasan: where did you send them?
[15:21] <Quintasan> To the mentors.debian.net
[15:21] <Riddell> did you ping anyone likely to mentor it?
[15:21] <Quintasan> And then asked around in #debian-python ( or what was it again?)
[15:21] <Riddell> I think #debian-qt-kde would be a better place to ping
[15:21] <Riddell> or e-mail their list
[15:21] <Riddell> or whoever last uploaded it for debian
[15:22] <Quintasan> then I got a mail from a developer from Poland who is taking care of python stuff in debian asking me to do some changes, I did them, uploaded and pinged a few times
[15:23] <stalcup> what's the command to decrypt a gpg message?
[15:23] <stalcup> nm
[15:23] <Riddell> gpg :)
[15:25] <stalcup> ok, yes, what is the command :/
[15:25] <stalcup> gpg --decrypt?
[15:29] <stalcup> #gpg
[15:30] <Riddell>  -d, --decrypt                 decrypt data (default)
[15:30] <stalcup> meh
[15:33] <yofel> meh, I'll do sip after dinner, configure.py fails when run outside the source root :(  (doesn't create a folder it needs)
[15:41] <Quintasan> Riddell: is there anywhere I can read up on Standards Version? I dunno what it actually does and why debian won't bump it for example?
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: Standards-Version is the version of the Debian Policy Manual that the package is fully compliant with http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/
[15:44] <Quintasan> So that's why our kde packaging is "stuck" with the old version?
[15:45] <Quintasan> Is there any reason in particular why it isn't getting updated?
[15:45] <Riddell> debian packagers should update it each time a new Debian Policy Manual comes out
[15:45] <Riddell> but often they forget or maybe they haven't read the Debian Policy Manual and want to read it before changing the version to be sure
[15:46] <Riddell> it's not very important in practice
[15:46] <Quintasan> As I though, if it was then someone would already do the bump
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> a more recent example is the change of practice for moving files between packages. Whereas before now you would have the file's new package declare a conflicts/replaces on the old package, now you would do a breaks/replaces
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> So technically before you could bump to 3.9.0 or greater you would have to ensure that any of your binary packages follow that
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> but as Riddell said, not too terribly important
[15:49] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna, Riddell: about the lib names, IIRC the name gets buped from libfoo0 to libfoo1 when the new release if BIC, right? Can there be any other reasons?
[15:49] <Quintasan> bumped*
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> in theory. Hopefully upstream also changes the .so version of their libraries from 0 to 1 as well
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> (sometimes bad upstreams don't)
[15:50] <Quintasan> And when bad upsteam doesn't do so, do we somehow change it manually or pester them to do this?
[15:50] <Riddell> we can still change our package names
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> What we've done with libs from kdebase-workspace is go from 4 to 4a
[15:50] <Riddell> the library file will be the same and it'll need to conflict
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> ...and then from 4a to 4b in KDE 4.5
[15:51] <Quintasan> Oh, I see. I hope KDE 5 will have been released by the time we reach 4z :P
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> 4za
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> 4zb
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> :P
[15:51] <Quintasan> Oh god.
[15:52] <Quintasan> 4zzzzzzzzz
[15:52] <Riddell> before you know it you'll be at  kdelibs4c2a
[15:52] <Riddell> oh, we already had that one
[15:52] <Quintasan> >10 years later
[15:52] <Quintasan> >4zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzza
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> I thought 4c2a meant something
[15:52] <Quintasan> Some maintainers will rage at the z's
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> since I've seen other unrelated libraries with that
[15:52] <Riddell> it ment gcc changed c++ binary compatibility, then did it again
[15:53] <Quintasan> 4c means BIC from KDE and 2a is for gcc stuff?
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> oh, c == gcc-induced change
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> 2 was the first change
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> a was the second change
[15:53] <Quintasan> Magic.
[15:53] <Quintasan> Normal people would see this as "lolwut what a strange version"
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> before we split out kdelibs, people went lolwut at kdelibs4 being kde3 and kdelibs5 being kde4
[15:54] <Quintasan> That didn't contain any logic at all
[15:54] <Quintasan> The split was actually good :)
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> yeah, now gnomies wanting a single kde app have less to download
[15:55] <Quintasan> I deem people using GNOME asking for my righteous Fork of Eyestabbing
[15:56] <Quintasan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/550691
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> It'd be neat to do a comparison for sudo apt-get install $kapp on lucid, and then again in maverick
[15:56] <Quintasan> Why do I get the idea that this *.so files are installed even without looking at the install files?
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> protip: they are :P
[15:57] <Quintasan> cdbs magic
[15:57] <Quintasan> why the hell they are getting reported as not installed?
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> dunno. the manpages get compressed specially by debhelper magics and then get installed, so at least they have an excuse
[15:58] <Quintasan> Can't we some how exclude them from the scan?
[15:58] <apachelogger> markey: I cannot observe much faster startup with amarok git master
[15:59] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: the system language is set to Hungarian, latest language pack updates are installed, but Muon Software Center still doesn't use the translations, in the Help -> Switch Application Language dialog there is only American English to choose
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> ulysses: apt-cache policy muon please
[15:59] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: Muon isn't installed, only the muon-installer
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> oh, then apt-cache policy muon-installer
[16:00] <Quintasan> uploading kdebase
[16:00] <Quintasan> dir
[16:00] <Quintasan> oops
[16:00] <ulysses> 1.0.90-0ubuntu1
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> ulysses: that's still last release which didn't contain them
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> 1.0.95 is the one that fixes the "no-l10n" problem
[16:01] <ulysses> that isn't in natty yet
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> it's stuck in new queue
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> since there's a new binary package
[16:01] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: I assume you don't have Polish translation?
[16:02] <JontheEchidna> /usr/share/locale/pl/LC_MESSAGES/muon.mo
[16:02] <ulysses> http://l10n.kde.org/stats/gui/trunk-kde4/team/pl/extragear-sysadmin/
[16:02] <Quintasan> :O
[16:02] <Quintasan> Our team sure is good at this.
[16:02] <ui> blah
[16:02] <ui> meant to highlight Quintasan and tabbed into the nick changer trying to press Q
[16:02] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: 73% done
[16:03] <Riddell> uic JontheEchidna 
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> :P
[16:03] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: The Kubuntu Magical Codec installer still tries to install gstreamer0.10-pitfdll which is not there in natty, at least on amd64
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> bug 696184
[16:04] <Riddell> to be fair on JontheEchidna, that's not a bug he had anything to do with :)
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> :)
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> afk for a bit, the dog needs walked
[16:04] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: I found the line however I'm not sure how to deal with it, the package is available on i386 but not on amd64
[16:04] <Quintasan> Riddell: kdebase in PPA and in bzr in a second
[16:05] <Quintasan> kdebinding will most likley build since I got kdebindings from SVN to build yesterday
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: there's a patch in the bug report
[16:05] <Riddell> Quintasan: there's a patch on that bug
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> afk for reals
[16:05] <Quintasan> Riddell: And what stopped anyone from adding it? :D
[16:06] <Riddell> Quintasan: christmas and new year holidays I expect
[16:06] <Riddell> kdebindings definately says it needs new sip
[16:06] <Riddell> which yofel has bravely volunteered to package
[16:07] <Quintasan> yofel: I'll ask around in Debian what they did with my changes so we can avoid doing the same thing twice
[16:12] <Riddell> Quintasan: did you package the new version?
[16:12] <Riddell> or just make changes to the existing version we have packaged?
[16:12] <Quintasan> Riddell: What is the latest version?
[16:13] <Quintasan> I remember grabbing new one and adding python 3 support
[16:13] <Quintasan> but they might have released a new one in the mean time
[16:14] <yofel> new is 4.12
[16:14] <Riddell> yes
[16:14] <yofel> current in repos is 4.11.2
[16:15] <yofel> Quintasan: ^
[16:15] <Quintasan> Then I have the older one packaged
[16:15] <Quintasan> yofel: can you check if it has python3 magic added to it and if it doesn't grab my changes and send it to debian?
[16:17] <Quintasan> or you want me to do it?
[16:18] <yofel> since you know it better it'll be best if you do it, I only got as far as patching configure.py so far http://paste.ubuntu.com/550709/ doesn't want to build without that
[16:19] <Quintasan> yofel: cool, I'll try to get to this today, mind closing https://launchpad.net/bugs/696184
[16:19] <Quintasan> ?
[16:19] <Quintasan> Should be easy, I think it's in main so you'll need JontheEchidna powers
[16:21] <yofel> Quintasan: you mean apply patch to package?
[16:21] <Quintasan> yofel: Unless it was done already
[16:21] <yofel> wasn't, I'll do it
[16:21] <Quintasan> It's a small, yet annoying issue
[16:22] <Quintasan> Well I still have homework to do, see you in an hour.
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: yeah, I just commited the patch to bzr
[16:40] <yofel> JontheEchidna: the plugin patch? mind to put that on the bug? ;)
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> yofel: I'll do one better and just upload the package
[16:41] <yofel> :D
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> (after this testbuild, ofc)
[16:43] <Quintasan> Oh well, I wanted to do homework for the second time this school year
[16:43] <Quintasan> And it turns out some douche borrowed my workbook and I can't complete the assignment
[16:44] <Quintasan> Youngsters these days...
[16:44] <Quintasan> ...
[16:44] <Quintasan> It made me sound like a old man :/
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> back in my day people would use their own damn workbooks
[16:44]  * JontheEchidna waves his cane
[16:44] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot134.png dragon is now KDE's default music player ^^
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> will it have a cage-match pay-per-view fight with JuK?
[16:45] <apachelogger> possibly
[16:45] <apachelogger> but it got an analyzer :P
[16:46] <Quintasan> apachelogger: No.
[16:46] <apachelogger> the nice thing is that the analyzer is even running when a video is playing
[16:46] <apachelogger> :D :D :D
[16:46] <Quintasan> apachelogger: It's cancerous
[16:46] <Quintasan> and looks like crap
[16:46] <apachelogger> humbuk
[16:46] <apachelogger> very efficient it looks
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> I... I think Chrome just got kwallet support: http://i.imgur.com/jvcNP.png
[16:47] <apachelogger> it is a chrome wallet then
[16:47]  * apachelogger forgot again whether the new secrets api is part of kde 4.6
[16:47] <apachelogger> I remember talking to lemma though ^^
[16:47] <apachelogger> and it was something semi-positive he said
[16:47]  * apachelogger fix0rs the bugs
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> [ubuntu/natty] kubuntu-notification-helper 11.04ubuntu2 (Accepted)
[16:58] <Riddell> bug 696675
[16:58] <Riddell> wibble
[17:06] <yuriy_work> just upgraded karmic->lucid yesterday, went smoothly
[17:07] <yuriy_work> now trying to upgrade lucid->maverick and running into all kinds of issues
[17:07] <Riddell> yuriy_work: because you have an upgrade to do or testing something?
[17:09] <yuriy_work> because i have an upgrade to do
[17:10] <Riddell> what's the issues?
[17:11] <yuriy_work> Riddell: well this is a relatively simple one: http://pastebin.com/tttBQHa6
[17:11] <yuriy_work> originally it bailed because some qt packages were installed out of order or something
[17:12] <yuriy_work> also getting this: http://pastebin.com/pYG9gzd2
[17:12] <yofel> "No such file or directory" o.O
[17:13] <Riddell> wibble
[17:13] <Riddell> incidently I just discovered paste.kde.org
[17:14] <yofel> Riddell: you really should pay more attention to shadeslayer ^^
[17:14] <Riddell> no doubt
[17:17] <yofel> yuriy_work: how did you try to upgrade? at least packagekit, ept and bluetooth on that paste need to be removed on upgrade
[17:17] <yuriy_work> yofel: do-release-upgrade
[17:18] <yuriy_work> also ran into this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/blcr/+bug/555729 (complained about blacklisted package, had to remove it before upgrading)
[17:20] <Quintasan> yofel: Paying more attention to shadeslayer would probably result in Riddell getting an Android phone if he already doesn't have one ^_^
[17:21] <yofel> ^^
[17:21] <yuriy_work> yofel: that paste is from aptitude full-upgrade trying to recover
[17:21] <Riddell> not until android phones start costing < 10pounds each
[17:21] <yuriy_work> also complains about apt recommends gpg.  I don't think there is such a package
[17:22] <yofel> it indeed does o.O
[17:46] <ScottK> Riddell: Just saw the l10n bug.
[17:46] <ScottK> Did you have a chance to fix it yet?
[17:46] <Riddell> ScottK: no, busy with RC 2 just now
[17:46] <ScottK> OK.
[17:47] <Riddell> ScottK: presumably it needs to go through -proposed anyway?
[17:47] <Riddell> unless we talk nicely to pitti maybe
[17:47] <yofel> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdeaccessibility/4.5.95/+merge/45269
[17:47] <ScottK> It does need to touch proposed, but we can probably get it moved over on an accelerated basis.
[17:47] <Riddell> yofel: perfect
[17:49] <ScottK> Riddell: Would it make sense to work around this by having kdelibs5 provide libkdecore5?
[17:49] <ScottK> Actually I don't think that'll works since provides aren't versioned.
[17:49] <ScottK> Nevermind
[17:54] <Riddell> ScottK: no, just remove the broken depends
[17:54] <ScottK> Riddell: Right.  Looking into it.  It affects at lot of packages.
[17:54] <Quintasan> yofel: Error: Unable to open "/tmp/buildd/sip4-qt3-4.12/siplib/siplib.sbf"
[17:55] <Quintasan> wried.
[17:58] <yofel> right :/
[18:05] <Riddell> ScottK: I committed the fix to branch and have the script running
[18:06] <ScottK> Riddell: Cool.  Thanks.
[18:06] <Quintasan> http://paste.kde.org/1854/ <--- anyone can help me with this? debian/rules -> http://pastebin.com/bkzWNuz2
[18:08] <apachelogger> Quintasan: Error: Unable to open "/tmp/buildd/sip4-qt3-4.12/siplib/siplib.sbf"
[18:09] <Quintasan> and it apparently gets created during the build?
[18:09] <apachelogger> it should
[18:09] <apachelogger> obviously it is not
[18:09] <Quintasan> ir gets created
[18:09] <Quintasan> look few lines above
[18:10] <apachelogger> that does not mean the creation suceeded :P
[18:10] <Quintasan> >Creating siplib/siplib.sbf...
[18:10] <apachelogger> maybe sip is just not made for parallel build
[18:10] <apachelogger> that does not mean the creation suceeded :P
[18:10] <yofel> Quintasan: check *where*
[18:10] <Quintasan> It failed yet it doesn't report?
[18:10] <Quintasan> BEHOLD PYTHON LOGIC
[18:10] <apachelogger> happens
[18:10] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[18:10] <_Groo_> hey Quintasan 
[18:10] <Quintasan> \o
[18:10] <yofel> Quintasan: it should be in a build subfolder, which sip doesn't seem to support :S
[18:11] <yofel> hey _Groo_
[18:11] <_Groo_> anyone doing koffice 2.3.0 final packages? if not, im the process of building them in my machine
[18:11] <_Groo_> hey yofel :)
[18:11] <Quintasan> It's the rules fault probably
[18:11] <Quintasan> dunno even where to start fixing it
[18:11] <apachelogger> how should it be the rules fault if configure fails?
[18:12] <yofel> Quintasan: it seems you have the continuation of the issue that my patch fixes..
[18:13] <Quintasan> That's SIP for you, releasing something with build faliures
[18:14] <yofel> it builds, if you don't try to build it out of the source folder root
[18:14] <yofel> which is what the buildds do
[18:14] <yofel> take plain source, mkdir build; cd build; python ../configure.py -> fail
[18:14] <_Groo_> so no one doing koffice packages?
[18:15] <Quintasan> _Groo_: We're busy with 4.5.5 and RC2
[18:15] <Quintasan> _Groo_: if you are doing them, that's great
[18:15] <_Groo_> Quintasan: k, ill help with rc2 but not now since i cant upload shit (proxy at work), but im doing koffice for personal use, so ill just do that now and leave it in queue for review
[18:16] <JontheEchidna> ScottK, Riddell: I've just pushed a commit to kubuntu.natty that replaces kde-config-touchpad with kde-config-synaptiks, and gtk2-engines-qtcurve with gtk2-engines-oxygen. gtk2-engines-oxygen is in main and kde-config-synaptiks has been approved for promotion but not promoted
[18:16] <_Groo_> Quintasan: so my plan is koffice now and rc2 for maverick asap
[18:16] <Quintasan> Magic, JontheEchidna, pure magic
[18:17] <_Groo_> Quintasan: also i have updated qtcurve theme packages that are updated to latest stable code and are eons ahead of maverick/natty packages
[18:17] <Quintasan> Hope that gtk-oxygen stuff works
[18:17] <JontheEchidna> !info gtk2-engines-qtcurve natty
[18:17] <yofel> gtk-oxygen works great here so far
[18:17] <JontheEchidna> _Groo_: natty has the latest
[18:17] <yofel> *oxygen-gtk
[18:18] <_Groo_> Quintasan: not to montion updated (complete) bluedevil, phonon-mplayer, phonon-vlc and phonon-gstreamer packages
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> and "eons" is relatively short, given the freqeuncy that QtCurve pumps out updates. ;-)
[18:18] <yofel> _Groo_: you want to talk to apachelogger about phonon
[18:18] <Quintasan> yofel: really? not natty package nor svn work here
[18:18] <apachelogger> phonion
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: gtk2-engines-qtcurve has been working great for me too
[18:18] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: oh yeah, this is new, it didnt till two weeks ago
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> er
[18:18] <yofel> Quintasan: if you mean gtk2-engines-oxygen that works fine here
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> *oxygen
[18:18] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: got a bug number?
[18:19] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: bug 669558
[18:19] <JontheEchidna> Matthias has ack'd
[18:19] <JontheEchidna> but synaptiks still appears to be in universe
[18:19] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: i would vote for qtcurve to be the default them for natty, its working very very well indeed
[18:19] <_Groo_> with latest 1.8.x release
[18:19] <JontheEchidna> Oxygen is working just fine and is a better visual match
[18:20] <Quintasan> yofel, JontheEchidna: http://i.imgur.com/FfimU.png
[18:20] <Quintasan> this is what I get with gtk2-engines-oxygen from git
[18:20] <ulysses> Quintasan: same here, Firefox and OpenOffice is ugly
[18:21] <yofel> o.O
[18:21] <yofel> hm, I'm using minefield, maybe that makes the difference
[18:21] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: dont agree, qtcurve works very well with gtk2 and qtcurve qt theme, firefox 4.x is very beautiful with it
[18:21] <JontheEchidna> I'm using Firefox 4, looks fine for me: http://i.imgur.com/FKKPr.png
[18:22] <_Groo_> but oxygen gtk is nice too, its almost always a matter of taste anyway
[18:22] <Quintasan> and lol, I don't want to change Oxygen to some QtCurve crap
[18:22] <yofel> _Groo_: indeed it has gotten better, it looked horrible with a dark theme in the past, but oxygen-gtk still fits in better with oxygen
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> It's not a matter of taste, oxygen gtk is an objectively more pixel-perfect match to the Qt oxygen theme
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> and hence a better visual match, my original argument
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> It's fine if you think QtCurve looks better than Oxygen in general, but I don't think we're going to deviate from upstream KDE to change both the Qt theme to QtCurve as well
[18:25] <Quintasan> well, both don't work here ^_^
[18:25] <Quintasan> QtCurve never worked for me
[18:25] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: agree, not gonna argue since both do the job :) its a matter of taste in this specific case
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: ur GTK theme setup is screwed :P
[18:25] <Quintasan> oxygen-qt worked for a while then stopped
[18:25] <_Groo_> Quintasan: you are doing something wrong XD
[18:25] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: Where the hell do I rm
[18:25] <Quintasan> it
[18:26] <_Groo_> Quintasan: have you tried being nice to the theme?
[18:26] <JontheEchidna> you might try baleeting your ~/.gtkrc-2.0-kde4
[18:27] <Quintasan> and relog or just set it in systemsettings?
[18:27] <JontheEchidna> then set it in systemsettings should work
[18:27] <JontheEchidna> *then set it in systemsetting, and then it should work
[18:27] <Quintasan> :/
[18:28] <Quintasan> http://i.imgur.com/bpAdu.png
[18:28] <Quintasan> magic
[18:28] <JontheEchidna> you aren't doing anything crazy like running FF with sudo are you?
[18:28] <Quintasan> ...
[18:28] <Quintasan> Are you taking me for drunk apachelogger?
[18:28] <JontheEchidna> lol
[18:29] <apachelogger> yes
[18:29] <maco> JontheEchidna: have you been hanging out with nixternal
[18:29] <apachelogger> lol
[18:29]  * _Groo_ thinks drunk apachelogger is a pleonasm, apachelogger is always drunk by definition :D
[18:29] <maco> er
[18:29] <maco> Quintasan: meant that for you
[18:29] <apachelogger> that is a serious sicklyness
[18:30] <Quintasan> maco: not really
[18:30] <Quintasan> :P
[18:31] <_Groo_> everytime i log apachelogger is either :a) in the process of being drunk , b)drunk as a monkey (ive seen my share of drunk monkeys) or c) so drunk he doesnt even know hes drunk anymore XD
[18:31] <JontheEchidna> gtk2-engines-oxygen even makes synaptic look not so horrible: http://i.imgur.com/isE3p.png
[18:31] <apachelogger> that reminds me that I wanted to buy booze at the gas station
[18:31] <Quintasan> well, let me remove the svn stuff
[18:31]  * _Groo_ is very jealous of apachelogger and is work enviroment...
[18:32]  * _Groo_ employers dont allow groo to be drunk :P 
[18:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: gtk makes your app look horrible though
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> I lol'd at this though: http://i.imgur.com/piKHx.png
[18:33] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot135.png
[18:33] <apachelogger> look at the filt0rs
[18:33] <apachelogger> most ugly tab thing
[18:33] <yofel> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdegames/4.5.95/+merge/45271
[18:33] <JontheEchidna> eww
[18:33] <apachelogger> makes me wanna emit vomit();
[18:33] <JontheEchidna> That GTK icon thing also doesn't really have a good application-x-deb mimetype icon for the packages
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> s/thing/theme
[18:34] <apachelogger> maybe another name
[18:34] <_Groo_> package gurus how do i tell stupid debuild that my orig package is .bz2 and not tar.gz?
[18:34] <apachelogger> since nuno is too lazy to push oxygen goodness into the icon theme naming standard
[18:34] <_Groo_> whats the export variable?
[18:34] <apachelogger> _Groo_: it will find that automatically
[18:34] <yofel> _Groo_: use source format 3
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> /usr/share/icons/gnome/16x16/mimetypes/gnome-mime-application-x-deb.png
[18:34] <apachelogger> unless your orig name is the shit
[18:34] <Quintasan> _Groo_: mkdir debian/source
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> I am dissapoint
[18:35] <_Groo_> Quintasan: i have debian source, and the stupid thing didnt
[18:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, it is the gnome
[18:35] <Quintasan> _Groo_: echo "3.0 (quilt)" > debian/source/format
[18:35] <_Groo_> Quintasan: its there ¬¬
[18:35] <Quintasan> _Groo_: and the orig source should be named <source name>_<version>.orig.tar.bz2
[18:35] <yofel> _Groo_: well, if you have source format 3 like Quintasan said, then pastebin the debuild output please
[18:35] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: it's nice to see that l10n is all working
[18:36] <_Groo_> Quintasan: ah.. forgot the .orig. thingy :D
[18:36] <yofel> heh
[18:36] <Quintasan> fu oxygen-gtk
[18:36] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: except for that little bit in the status bar
[18:36] <Quintasan> not working
[18:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: like packages aaviable :P
[18:36]  * apachelogger is highly annoyed from not translated package descriptions though
[18:36] <apachelogger> quite the UX killer IMHO
[18:37] <apachelogger> as is everything that is notranslated for that matter
[18:37] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Great.
[18:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so, can you please make a good sidebar widget thing that also themes well in the GTK :P
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> some of them look l10n'd, so it's probably just incompleteness
[18:37] <apachelogger> yeah
[18:37] <apachelogger> tech is working, they are just not translated
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> I guess one would have to delve in to rosetta to fix that
[18:38] <apachelogger> rosetta? what is that?
[18:38] <apachelogger> ScottK: did we not want to abandon that?
[18:38] <JontheEchidna> iirc package desc. l10n is done through rosetta
[18:38] <ScottK> apachelogger: I did, but no one else seemed motivated, so I lost enthusiasm.
[18:38] <_Groo_> apachelogger: oh btw kudos to latest phon gs update.. it fixed the streaming in videos :)
[18:38] <JontheEchidna> so we'd be depending on that even if we did
[18:39]  * apachelogger looks at the uds note book sitting quitely in a corner and quickly looks away since it holds todo items
[18:39] <Quintasan> HAHAHAHA
[18:39] <Quintasan> NICE TROLL JAPAN
[18:39] <Quintasan> Paradise Lunch - Gun's & Roses
[18:39] <Quintasan> :DD
[18:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: war is quite wearisome I guess
[18:40] <ScottK> apachelogger: It is.
[18:40]  * apachelogger would be happy if _Groo_ could negotiate a piece treaty
[18:41] <apachelogger> we dont have to use their plunder and in return do not switch to darwin as base OS for Kubuntu2 or something
[18:41] <apachelogger> hm
[18:41] <apachelogger> supposedly a peace treaty
[18:41] <apachelogger> heavens
[18:42] <apachelogger> I think I am in condition c of Quintasan's list
[18:42] <apachelogger> omg omg
[18:42] <Quintasan> condition c?
[18:42] <Quintasan> What is that?
[18:42] <maco> Quintasan: so drunk he doenst know hes drunk
[18:42] <apachelogger> c) so drunk he doesnt even know hes drunk anymore XD
[18:42] <Quintasan> Aint that _Groo_'s list?
[18:42]  * apachelogger thinks Quintasan is also affected by c
[18:42] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: he's too drunk to notice that
[18:42] <apachelogger> someones list
[18:42] <Quintasan> :D
[18:43] <apachelogger> _Groo_'s indeed
[18:43] <Quintasan> I am affected by SIP magic
[18:43] <apachelogger> bool Phonon::Gstreamer::StreamReader::read(quint64, int, char*) 
[18:43] <apachelogger> virtual void Phonon::Gstreamer::StreamReader::writeData(const QByteArray&) 
[18:43] <Quintasan> I lost all motivation
[18:43] <apachelogger> there
[18:43] <apachelogger> I hope that makes it all good again
[18:43] <_Groo_> apachelogger: peace treaty with what?
[18:43] <apachelogger> rosetta
[18:43] <apachelogger> the evil and dark  empire of darkness and evilness :P
[18:44] <yofel> that's not dark, that's pitch black
[18:44] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i dont like peace treatys i prefer bonking monkeys in the head and eating their brains
[18:44] <_Groo_> treaties
[18:44] <apachelogger> I DO NOT CARE
[18:45] <JontheEchidna> ulysses: oh, if you really want muon 1.0.95 before it gets pushed through new queue, you should be able to download/ sudo dpkg -i the muon-installer and libmuonprivate1 packages here: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/1.0.95-0ubuntu2/+build/2125606
[18:46] <_Groo_> coooooooooffffffffffffeeeeeeeeeeee breaaaaaaaaakkkkkkkkkkkk huhuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[18:46] <_Groo_> come to me nicotine and cafeine
[18:47] <apachelogger> that is spelled kaffeine!!!
[18:47] <apachelogger> also I believe it still does not use the phonon
[18:47] <apachelogger> it is the utter useless thing
[18:50]  * apachelogger loves debugging
[18:50] <apachelogger> bool Phonon::Gstreamer::StreamReader::read(quint64, int, char*) 
[18:50] <apachelogger> filling up that stinky old buffer
[18:50] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: awesome, but the translator's credit is wrong:S
[18:51] <JontheEchidna> dunno if there's anything I can do about that. I think KAboutData does l10n credit automagically
[18:51] <JontheEchidna> or not so magically, since it seems not to work
[18:52] <ulysses> I checked the PO files, but there isn't anyithing, just author's credit
[18:56] <apachelogger> what is wrong about it?
[19:03] <_Groo_> anyone know is nattys gst bad plugins has the experimental vdpau support?
[19:03] <_Groo_> knows*
[19:03] <_Groo_> if*
[19:03] <_Groo_> damn
[19:03] <_Groo_> keyboard
[19:03] <yofel> nah, being in the same room as apachelogger get's you drunk after a while
[19:03] <apachelogger> makes sense
[19:04] <apachelogger> I still didnt buy no booze
[19:04] <apachelogger> this will not end well
[19:05] <_Groo_> apachelogger: btw is vlc phonon ever be fixed? i still cant see video since the stupid analyzer went upstream
[19:05] <_Groo_> apachelogger: and dont get me started with pulseaudio patches XD
[19:05] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[19:05] <apachelogger> about the PA stuff
[19:05] <apachelogger> we need a fix for vlc too it seems
[19:06] <_Groo_> apachelogger: let me guess, vlc doesnt close the threads properly?
[19:06] <apachelogger> it tried to work around the issue earlier
[19:06] <apachelogger> which now breaks
[19:06] <apachelogger> from what I understand
[19:06]  * apachelogger did not look at the patch
[19:07] <_Groo_> apachelogger: back in the day we would get the programmer that did that poor code, get him outside, shoot him and hang him in the front lobby as a warning to others
[19:07] <_Groo_> apachelogger: but IBM changed a lot since those times :P
[19:09] <apachelogger> hmmmmmmmm
[19:09] <apachelogger> most curious
[19:09] <apachelogger> at some point kio seems to stop feeding the phonon streamreader
[19:09] <apachelogger> _Groo_: sure, blame the patent company
[19:09] <_Groo_> apachelogger: vlc or gst?
[19:10] <apachelogger> gst
[19:11] <_Groo_> apachelogger: after how long?
[19:11] <apachelogger> after 204800 bytes
[19:12] <_Groo_> apachelogger: hmm strange cause i tested dragon with both big buck bunny and java 4 ever and it played for a couple minutes, which is much bigger then that
[19:13] <_Groo_> apachelogger: latest git from today
[19:13] <apachelogger> wah?
[19:13] <apachelogger> latest git should deadlock
[19:13] <_Groo_> apachelogger: last entry i have: 2b01a5e3d32444863c91bbb66e8f49ca2efd5780
[19:14] <_Groo_> updated this morning
[19:14] <_Groo_> apachelogger: theres a new one since my compile that updated gstreamer/mediaobject.cpp
[19:14] <apachelogger> with phonon git master?
[19:14] <_Groo_> apachelogger: phonon-gstreamer backend
[19:15] <apachelogger> yeah but what phonon git :P
[19:15] <_Groo_> apachelogger: didnt updated phonon since maybe one/two weeks ago
[19:15] <_Groo_> apachelogger: let me check
[19:15] <apachelogger> cause phonon-gstreamer depending on git might not use abstractstream
[19:15] <apachelogger> or not unless it can stream on its own
[19:15] <_Groo_> apachelogger: a601559a655a2cc8df076ef49633a87705a44cf5 26/dec
[19:15] <apachelogger> which it mostly can for http ;)
[19:18] <_Groo_> apachelogger: still there?
[19:18] <apachelogger> no
[19:18] <_Groo_> apachelogger: lol best answer ever
[19:18] <apachelogger> holy cheese cake
[19:18]  * apachelogger finds this all a bit strange
[19:19] <_Groo_> am i the only end user that used this shit besides the developers???
[19:19] <_Groo_> i have mplayer,vlc,xine and gst in my machine
[19:19] <_Groo_> mplayer works but opens a mplayer for every sound/video/whataver... resource hog, and no equalizer
[19:20] <_Groo_> vlc is hit or miss, sometimes works, sometimes is doesnt, (currently doesnt), no equaliazer, crashes on exit
[19:20]  * apachelogger eats his arm
[19:20] <_Groo_> gst works now... no equalizers, appears to be fairly stable
[19:20] <apachelogger> GST HAS AN EQUALIZER!
[19:20] <apachelogger> amarok is just to shitty to use it
[19:20] <_Groo_> xine works, equalizer works, threaded, no crashes.. not supported anymore :P
[19:21] <_Groo_> apachelogger: yeah i know, they arent checking it correctly, ill bug them later
[19:21] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i know it does cause clementine uses it
[19:21] <_Groo_> apachelogger: and i read your blog too
[19:22] <_Groo_> apachelogger: so the only one thats works flawlessly is the one not maintained..oh the irony XD
[19:23] <apachelogger> looking at the bug reports I would not call it flawless
[19:23] <_Groo_> apachelogger: flawless = works for me (tm)
[19:25] <_Groo_> i love clementine and im all for useless options and features, but why the hell would i want to ear kittens or rain playing in the background of my musics :P
[19:29] <_Groo_> ah, finally someone explains why i see a black map in kstars :P
[19:29] <_Groo_> http://kstars.wordpress.com/2011/01/02/kstars-with-experimental-opengl-support-in-rc2/
[19:29] <_Groo_> thank you kde developers, i love ya all ¬¬
[19:30] <apachelogger> black is the new pink
[19:30] <yofel> fluffy in black would look like some gothic OS though
[19:31] <apachelogger> that is a whole new market
[19:31]  * yofel just added one more useless item on apacheloggers todo list
[19:32]  * apachelogger thinksy thinks that there is a deadlock in phonon-gst because sandsmark insisted on apachelogger not threading the bananas out of it -.-
[19:32] <yofel> ^^
[19:35] <_Groo_> apachelogger: wouldnt the deadlock be in phonon and not gst? cause im using phonon from 26 dec and gst from today and it works as expected... it even fixed the  video streaming that was jerky
[19:35] <apachelogger>  no
[19:38] <_Groo_> apachelogger: concise and to the point :P
[19:39] <_Groo_> even with --parallel cmake doesnt use my cores...
[19:40] <_Groo_> c++ isnt very keen to parallel compiling anyway
[19:40] <yofel> works fine here
[19:40] <yofel> (depends what source you're talking about)
[19:41] <_Groo_> yofel: it works, but doesnt make my octicore go up 100% for all 8 cores
[19:41] <_Groo_> yofel: usually only uses 2/3 cpus tops
[19:42] <tsimpson> that's not really anything to do with C++ though
[19:42] <_Groo_> yofel: maybe its a libtool limitation, it cant link fast enough?
[19:42] <yofel> probably more a memory bandwith or disk I/O limit I would guess
[19:43] <yofel> I don't have 8 cores to test this though
[19:43] <_Groo_> well disk is very low so shouldnt be it... memory might be
[19:43] <yofel> hm... I could get 8 virt cores together with icecc though
[19:43]  * apachelogger can compile on 8 cores
[19:43] <yofel> 6real/8virt to be precise
[19:44] <_Groo_> actually its a i7 quad with 2 threads per core :P but i like to think its a octi core... ¬¬ which is WHICH IS!!!!
[19:45] <apachelogger> oh my
[19:45] <apachelogger> 29 threads
[19:45] <apachelogger> this is madness
[19:46] <_Groo_> apachelogger: oO where where?
[19:46] <apachelogger> in my codez
[19:47] <_Groo_> im not gonna pull another git code from phonon or phonon gst/vlc again
[19:47] <apachelogger> boring
[19:48] <_Groo_> apachelogger: you dont know what is thread madness till you work with JMS server from ibm websphere
[19:48] <apachelogger> oggy oggy oggy
[19:49] <_Groo_> apachelogger: they have a translog that its actually a file with fixed size that works as a buffer for in memory processes, but they use the disk to keep it!!!!! 
[19:49] <_Groo_> apachelogger: so they use a disk buffer as a memory buffer oO arrrrrrrggghh for real time processing DOUBLE AAAAAAAARRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH
[19:49] <_Groo_> apachelogger: see what happens when you shutdown the shoot them on site policy?
[19:51] <_Groo_> apachelogger: and 99% of the core dumps are regarding that stupid translog that corrupts... internally! cause JMS uses asynchronous IDS for threads!!! and it doesnt track them that well!!!!! arrrrgrgghhhh shoot them all!!
[19:51] <apachelogger> sounds like pulseaudio
[19:51] <_Groo_> apachelogger: lol lol
[19:52] <_Groo_> apachelogger: hey maybe its the same coder! ask the guy if he worked for ibm websphere dev team in thye past
[19:54] <apachelogger> I do not think he did
[19:55] <_Groo_> apachelogger: pitty i always wanted to track down and kill each and everyone of them
[19:59] <apachelogger> ah
[19:59] <apachelogger> bollocks
[19:59] <apachelogger> the logic is all twisted
[20:20] <ScottK> apachelogger: Dear phonon maintainer - Now that gstreamer is your #1 choice, if it's missing, that might rate at least a warning at configure time: http://my.cdash.org/viewConfigure.php?buildid=138515
[20:21] <maco> haha
[20:21] <apachelogger> ScottK: where is that build from?
[20:22] <ScottK> apachelogger: Nightly build on the arm box
[20:22] <apachelogger> wah?
[20:22] <apachelogger> you must have a wrong git repo then
[20:22] <ScottK> Hmm.
[20:22]  * ScottK looks
[20:22] <apachelogger> phonon-gst is no longer part of phonon
[20:22] <apachelogger> but in a separate repo
[20:22] <apachelogger> both on git.kde.org
[20:23] <ScottK> OK
[20:23] <ScottK> I'm pulling from git://gitorious.org/phonon/phonon.git - so that needs updating.
[20:24] <Quintasan> The timeout on Pastebin plasmoid for images is way too small
[20:24] <apachelogger> aye
[20:24] <ScottK> apachelogger: What's the phonon git URL now?
[20:24] <apachelogger> git://anongit.kde.org/phonon
[20:24] <apachelogger> git://anongit.kde.org/phonon-gstreamer
[20:25] <ScottK> Thanks.  What about the other plugins?
[20:25] <apachelogger> -vlc
[20:25] <apachelogger> -xine
[20:25] <apachelogger> same urls
[20:25] <ScottK> OK
[20:26] <yofel> great, more todo for Neon :S
[20:28] <ScottK> apachelogger: New build running from the right repo.
[20:28] <apachelogger> ScottK: I think ctest will fail on those
[20:28] <ScottK> We'll find out
[20:29] <apachelogger> at least sandsmark said some testing is failing
[20:31] <_Groo_> yofel: i already  compile all backend for phonon, if you want i can see some recipes this weekend, im currently building when i feel like it, mplayer/vlc/gst 
[20:31] <_Groo_> yofel: and i did xine too to be able to maintain ABI with latest phonon
[20:32] <_Groo_> yofel: so i have all 4 of them working
[20:33] <_Groo_> yofel: you also need to add a quilt patch for mplayer since it needs -FPic explictily put in the cmake file
[20:37] <yofel> hm, just found this: packaging app (to be) writtin in qt https://launchpad.net/qpackmanager
[20:38] <Quintasan> Huh?
[20:38] <Quintasan> Only I find that useless?
[20:39] <ulysses> can it package the christmas presents?
[20:39] <yofel> Quintasan: believe it or not, there are people that don't use bash as part of their brain :P
[20:43] <ScottK> apachelogger: Builds anyway. http://my.cdash.org/index.php?project=Phonon
[20:45] <apachelogger> sweet
[20:45] <apachelogger> ScottK: it doesnt run tests though, does it?
[20:45] <ScottK> No
[20:45] <_Groo_> koffice 2.3.0 almost done... fighting with changes in .install files now
[20:45] <ScottK> First things first
[20:45] <apachelogger> k
[20:50] <ScottK> apachelogger: FYI, I backported basic pbuildering stuff to .100 last night.  I think it needs whatever ice cream magic done now.
[20:56] <_Groo_> bb tomorrow, seeya ppl
[20:58] <apachelogger> yeah
[21:11] <ari-tczew> ScottK: reffering to backports. what do you think about approve more devs?
[21:13] <Riddell> RC 2 being released
[21:13] <yofel> upstream or us without bindings?
[21:13] <Riddell> upstream
[21:13] <Riddell> we haven't finished yet and haven't tested
[21:14] <yofel> yeah, btw. anyone an idea what virtuoso is trying to tell me btw.? http://paste.ubuntu.com/550811/
[21:14] <Quintasan> Nepomuk magic
[21:14] <Quintasan> I don't like Nepomuk
[21:15] <Quintasan> Instead concreating and polishing the end-user desktop
[21:15] <Riddell> yofel: mm, no idea
[21:17] <Quintasan> Sput: Any idea why can't I right click on links in IRC topic in Quassel?
[21:17] <yofel> Not Implemented™
[21:17] <Quintasan> :/
[21:19] <yofel> ok, purging my virtuoso database helped...
[21:52] <Quintasan> Riddell: I see you got a few WIP thingies on wiki, want to drop something?
[21:53] <yofel> Quintasan: what's the state on sip? still fails?
[21:53] <Quintasan> yofel: I stopped working on it now
[21:53] <Quintasan> Demotivating
[21:54] <Quintasan> + I have no idea how to fix than damn stamp
[21:56] <ScottK> ari-tczew: I'm would like for more people to get involved.
[21:58] <ari-tczew> ScottK: I guess that micahg is interested. may I ask him?
[21:59] <ScottK> ari-tczew: You can, but he and I have already discussed it. 
[21:59] <ari-tczew> ScottK: aha and what;s conclusion?
[21:59] <ScottK> ari-tczew: He's interested and we're going through him learning what he needs to know.  Both of us have limited time available.  I wouldn't mind if you wanted to poliitely encourage him.
[22:01] <Quintasan> ScottK: If I may take a second of your time, any idea about http://paste.kde.org/1854/ ? debian/rules -> http://pastebin.com/bkzWNuz
[22:01] <Quintasan> ScottK: This is really driving me nuts.
[22:04] <ScottK> Quintasan: I'll have a look.  BTW, last I looked except not fixing the SIP API for the Python stuff to match the new version, I thought your Python3 stuff looked good.
[22:04] <Quintasan> Well, there was new upstream release anyways
[22:04] <ari-tczew> ScottK: I think that he will be good asset. I don't negate that I'd like to join backports team in future as well.
[22:05] <Quintasan> ScottK: There is no point in getting old release to Debian, is there?
[22:05] <ScottK> No
[22:05] <ScottK> Quintasan: Unknown paste ID, it may have expired or been deleted! on pastebin
[22:05] <Quintasan> oh, moment please
[22:06] <Quintasan> ScottK: http://pastebin.com/vNhZC3dY
[22:07] <ScottK> Quintasan: Give me a .dsc and I'll see if I can play with it a bit tonight.
[22:09] <Quintasan> Only dsc?
[22:09] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: bump to debhelper7 :P
[22:10] <Quintasan> bump what?
[22:10] <ScottK> Quintasan: No, the whole source package is needed, but with .dsc I can dget it.
[22:10] <Quintasan> sip4-qt3?
[22:10] <Quintasan> Debian would kill me
[22:10] <ScottK> ari-tczew: It's a very complex package that will likely take a fair amount of work to port to dh7 and that probably still wouldn' t fix this problem.
[22:10] <ScottK> Quintasan: That too.
[22:11] <Quintasan> ScottK: Uploading will take a second, my connection is kinda slow
[22:12] <ScottK> Quintasan: No rush.  Just let me know.
[22:12] <Quintasan> ScottK: http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/sip/
[22:13] <ari-tczew> ScottK: it was just short feuilleton that debhelper7 and over is easier to maintenance.
[22:13] <ari-tczew> and I know that Quintasan can't bump to 7 without Debian maintainer agree.
[22:13] <Quintasan> ari-tczew: Still, Debian would kill me for destorying all their work :P
[22:13] <ScottK> ari-tczew: In the long run it probably is easier, but it would take substantial work to port it.
[22:13] <Quintasan> + I'm too lazy to fight with Python magic
[22:14] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: I'm amazed that someone has done that odd d/rules!
[22:15] <Quintasan> I'm more amazed that it apparently should work :D
[22:45] <ScottK> Quintasan: diff -ruN sip4-qt3-4.11.2/configure.py sip4-qt3-4.12/configure.py suggest to me that perhaps setting sip_module_base to point at the builddir might be beneficial, but I haven't time to try it right now.
[22:48] <Quintasan> ScottK: Nor do I, but thanks for the tip. I'll try it out later
[22:49] <ScottK> Quintasan: In my failed build, build-2.7/siplib/siplib.sbf exists, so that somewhat supports my theory.
[22:54] <Quintasan> ScottK: Thanks again, I'm out of here for some sleep
[23:08] <valorie> yikes, maybe I do have a problem with 4.6: kpackagekit just crashed on opening
[23:09] <valorie> filing a bug
[23:13] <valorie> huh, reported as fixed
[23:13] <valorie> even though it crashes every time
[23:13] <valorie> :(
[23:33] <yofel> valorie: fixed in kpk 0.6.3 afaik, we have 0.6.2
[23:34] <valorie> ok
[23:34] <valorie> meanwhile, what is the apt-get search command?
[23:34] <valorie> I usually use kpackagekit for that
[23:35] <yofel> apt-cache search X
[23:35] <valorie> ah, yes
[23:35] <valorie> thanks so much
[23:35] <yofel> try muon instead of kpk
[23:36] <valorie> oooo, good idea
[23:36] <valorie> I've been wanting to try that out
[23:36] <valorie> is it in packages yet?
[23:37] <yofel> sure, muon and muon-installer (latter is the software center)
[23:38] <valorie> installing
[23:38] <valorie> software center
[23:38] <valorie> ugh
[23:38] <valorie> that was what was worst about being stuck in ubuntu for a day or so
[23:40] <valorie> thanks for your help, yofel
[23:40] <yofel> sure, np
[23:40] <yofel> JontheEchidna: how do I get debug info from muon-installer? It shows a few of my PPAs as empty
[23:42] <JontheEchidna> yofel: that is likely because they don't have any packages that are considered "applications" by app-install-data. I've not figured out a good way to check whether or not repos have applications before hand to determine whether or not to show them
[23:42] <yofel> aaah, makes sense