| Red-raven | 34%......wow....... | 00:05 |
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| Red-raven | cani edit and delete partitions from the XP install disk holstein? | 00:05 |
| shawn146 | holstein you still there? | 00:39 |
| shawn146 | hmm | 00:45 |
| holstein | shawn146: i was napping L) | 00:49 |
| holstein | :) * | 00:49 |
| holstein | im back now | 00:49 |
| holstein | Red-raven: you can edit partitions that xp reads and writes | 00:50 |
| holstein | fat and ntfs | 00:50 |
| holstein | well, you can delete others | 00:50 |
| johnny77 | Can someone please explain the difference between Xubuntu & xfce. I know that xfce is the desktop environment which Xubuntu uses. But what separates Xubuntu from just xfce? | 00:50 |
| holstein | johnny77: imagine you want to make a linux distro | 00:51 |
| holstein | and you want to use XFCE for the DE | 00:51 |
| pleia2 | johnny77: different default applications | 00:51 |
| holstein | whatever other choices you want to make | 00:51 |
| holstein | file manager | 00:51 |
| holstein | mediaplayer | 00:51 |
| holstein | those kind of packages and others | 00:51 |
| holstein | thats what xubuntu is | 00:52 |
| holstein | the xubuntu team would make those choices | 00:53 |
| holstein | default apps, theme, wallpaper, whatever else | 00:53 |
| johnny77 | brb, sorry grabbing a bite to eat. | 00:54 |
| Red-raven | eighty....one.....%.....keep......crawling.... | 00:59 |
| shawn146 | ok i am setting up justin.tv | 01:04 |
| shawn146 | here we go | 01:10 |
| shawn146 | http://www.justin.tv/shawn146 | 01:10 |
| shawn146 | to holstein | 01:12 |
| shawn146 | and anybody else who would like to help | 01:12 |
| johnny77 | If I like the packages that came with Ubuntu, but want a light weight DE, then I should install xfce instead of Xubuntu. | 01:16 |
| holstein | johnny77: check out lxde | 01:17 |
| holstein | there are metapackages too | 01:17 |
| holstein | xubuntu-desktop lubuntu-desktop... etc | 01:17 |
| holstein | lxde is one of those you can just install though | 01:17 |
| holstein | sudo apt-get install lxde | 01:18 |
| holstein | and usually just works | 01:18 |
| shawn146 | hmm | 01:18 |
| shawn146 | anyone on me channel yet? | 01:18 |
| shawn146 | http://www.justin.tv/shawn146 | 01:18 |
| holstein | shawn146: im trying to find a browser that "likes" it | 01:19 |
| shawn146 | oh lol | 01:19 |
| johnny77 | holstein: I originally installed Ubuntu, then added Xubuntu, Lubuntu and Kubuntu. Kubuntu too much for my netbook; Lubuntu too little options. I liked Xubuntu, but cleaned them all off to have a cleaner system. | 01:20 |
| johnny77 | holstein: now I'm trying to decide if I want to install Xubuntu or would just installing the xfce DE be enough to get what I wanted. | 01:21 |
| holstein | shawn146: midori seems to like it OK | 01:21 |
| shawn146 | midori? | 01:21 |
| holstein | i blame flash though | 01:21 |
| holstein | midori browser | 01:22 |
| holstein | johnny77: if you're wanting something light | 01:22 |
| holstein | check out lxde | 01:22 |
| holstein | its been argued that xubuntu has become about as heavy as the gnomre verion | 01:22 |
| holstein | gnome* | 01:22 |
| holstein | i personally dont think its that extreme | 01:22 |
| holstein | BUT i find lxde lighter | 01:23 |
| Red-raven | 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 01:24 |
| shawn146 | can you see it holstein? | 01:24 |
| holstein | shawn146: yup | 01:24 |
| shawn146 | oh you left | 01:24 |
| johnny77 | holstein: are you familiar with lxde? When I tried it, it seemed as if there where not as many options about panels, menu etc. | 01:24 |
| shawn146 | i see one person on my channe;l | 01:24 |
| holstein | shawn146: well, i could... | 01:24 |
| shawn146 | myself o.o | 01:24 |
| holstein | yeah | 01:25 |
| holstein | im back | 01:25 |
| shawn146 | ? | 01:25 |
| shawn146 | try talking in the channel | 01:25 |
| holstein | they want me to register | 01:25 |
| shawn146 | you there holstein | 01:29 |
| shawn146 | yea its free tor egister | 01:29 |
| shawn146 | you can actually type | 01:29 |
| shawn146 | i created one | 01:29 |
| shawn146 | to type in other channels lol , and broadcast | 01:30 |
| harrisonk | hello all | 01:30 |
| shawn146 | hi | 01:31 |
| holstein | shawn146: i'll look into it in a bit... i gotta run for a while... BBL | 01:31 |
| johnny77 | hi | 01:31 |
| shawn146 | oh | 01:32 |
| shawn146 | ... | 01:32 |
| shawn146 | seems i did all this for nothing | 01:32 |
| harrisonk | Why is the flightgear in synaptic version 1.9.1? | 01:33 |
| harrisonk | and not 2.0.0/ | 01:33 |
| harrisonk | *? | 01:33 |
| harrisonk | 2.2.0 is coming out soon as well | 01:34 |
| ColdPhoenix | hello | 02:05 |
| johnny77 | If I wanted to install just the xfce DE and not the full Xubuntu, can I do that out of the repositories or do I need to download. | 02:06 |
| Negative_One | I'm having trouble using tasksel to add audio and graphics suites | 02:21 |
| Red-raven | Hey the ISO is done. how do i burn it again? | 02:27 |
| BR | can your make a boot disk with a scan disk drive and if so how? | 02:27 |
| BR | you | 02:27 |
| Red-raven | scan disk? | 02:27 |
| BR | right click on it and burn to disk | 02:28 |
| Red-raven | whats a scan disk? | 02:28 |
| BR | yeah a mirco scan disk card | 02:28 |
| Cheri703 | sandisk | 02:28 |
| Cheri703 | ? | 02:28 |
| Red-raven | sandisk. thought so. | 02:28 |
| BR | their like usb flash drives with out the sub | 02:28 |
| BR | usb | 02:28 |
| Red-raven | like a memory chip? | 02:29 |
| BR | yeah | 02:29 |
| BR | out of disks | 02:29 |
| Cheri703 | sd card? | 02:29 |
| BR | yeah | 02:29 |
| Cheri703 | probably just like making a liveUSB I'd imagine | 02:29 |
| Red-raven | if your BIOS had the option the boot from that port, i think so. but it probably can't. | 02:29 |
| BR | never done that before | 02:29 |
| Cheri703 | yeah, MAKING it isn't necessarily the issue, USING it would be | 02:30 |
| Cheri703 | are you using ubuntu now BR ? | 02:30 |
| BR | yes | 02:30 |
| Cheri703 | go to system > administration > startup disk creator | 02:30 |
| Cheri703 | or something like that | 02:30 |
| Cheri703 | and you can choose the iso and make a liveUSB (or sd probably) | 02:31 |
| BR | ok thats | 02:31 |
| BR | thanks | 02:31 |
| Red-raven | hey what do i do to burn a disk with the ISO again? | 02:31 |
| Cheri703 | Red-raven: are you in ubuntu? | 02:31 |
| Red-raven | win7 | 02:33 |
| Cheri703 | ah, ok | 02:34 |
| Cheri703 | do you have a cd burning software? other than a media player? | 02:34 |
| Cheri703 | if not, download imgburn, it's free | 02:34 |
| Red-raven | yah win7 had it built in. | 02:35 |
| Cheri703 | ah, ok | 02:35 |
| Cheri703 | you just need to do a "burn as image" or something like that | 02:35 |
| Cheri703 | otherwise it'll just put the file on the disk and it won't be bootable | 02:35 |
| BR | its not working | 02:36 |
| Cheri703 | BR: do you not have a usb drive? | 02:36 |
| BR | no just sd card | 02:36 |
| Cheri703 | no cd's? | 02:37 |
| BR | nope | 02:37 |
| Red-raven | burning it now. this is the only thing that makes my rig run hot. | 02:39 |
| Cheri703 | BR: it *should* be doable to put it on the sd card properly | 02:40 |
| Cheri703 | what isn't working? what message are you getting? not working is pretty generic | 02:40 |
| BR | the startup creater will not let me do it | 02:41 |
| Cheri703 | in what regard? | 02:42 |
| BR | i pick the drive and go to pick the iso and doesnt load and cant make boot | 02:44 |
| Cheri703 | what version of ubuntu are you using? | 02:45 |
| BR | 10.10 | 02:45 |
| Cheri703 | hmm...ok. what are you using the sd card boot for? | 02:46 |
| BR | not im trying to make one | 02:47 |
| Cheri703 | ...I'm confused then, so what are you trying to accomplish? | 02:47 |
| Cheri703 | >> BR> can your make a boot disk with a scan disk drive and if so how? | 02:50 |
| BR | yes | 02:50 |
| Cheri703 | ok, so? | 02:51 |
| BR | so? | 02:53 |
| Red-raven | Burn is done. time to kill XP. | 02:55 |
| Red-raven | cya guys tommorow. | 02:59 |
| shawn146 | holsein? | 04:19 |
| JackyAlcine | I'll ping him. | 04:20 |
| JackyAlcine | He's away, shawn146; I doubt he'd respond. | 04:20 |
| shawn146 | oh | 04:20 |
| shawn146 | could you help me with JLime linux? | 04:21 |
| shawn146 | with the Jornada 720 | 04:21 |
| JackyAlcine | I wouldn't be able to; I'm just a programmer. | 04:24 |
| JackyAlcine | Sorry. | 04:24 |
| Roydaman2 | does anyone know if they have Trillian for ubuntu and how to find out and or install it?? | 04:45 |
| Flare183 | Roydaman2: Pidgin, and Empathy both are the linux alternatives to Trillian | 04:45 |
| Roydaman2 | ok i cannot get empathy to work with facebook | 04:46 |
| Flare183 | and Trillian is windows only software | 04:46 |
| Flare183 | Roydaman2: Try pidgin | 04:46 |
| Flare183 | !pidgin | Roydaman2 | 04:46 |
| ubot2 | Roydaman2: The Instant Messenger Client Pidgin (formerly Gaim) (http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Pidgin) supports MSN, XMPP (Jabber, GTalk and variants), AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ, YIM, IRC and others. See also !Kopete | 04:46 |
| Roydaman2 | o i had it on my ipod i didnt know they have it for win | 04:46 |
| JackyAlcine | Roydaman2: Pidgin has a plugin for Facebook chat. If not, Empathy has it pre-installed. | 04:47 |
| Flare183 | Roydaman2: JackyAlcine is correct :) | 04:47 |
| Roydaman2 | ok i got pidgin how would i go about gettin the plugin? | 04:48 |
| Flare183 | well its in the repos | 04:48 |
| Flare183 | sudo apt-get install pidigin-facebookchat | 04:48 |
| Flare183 | I think | 04:48 |
| JackyAlcine | Yup, right on the nail, Flare183 | 04:49 |
| JackyAlcine | Use Software Center. | 04:49 |
| Flare183 | Awesome | 04:49 |
| JackyAlcine | and show the hidden items. | 04:49 |
| Flare183 | That works too ^^ | 04:49 |
| JackyAlcine | it's a little package. | 04:49 |
| JackyAlcine | lol, it's a bit easier than Synaptic. | 04:49 |
| Flare183 | Lol Yes indeed | 04:49 |
| Roydaman2 | ok thank you guys much | 04:49 |
| Flare183 | Its no problem at all | 04:50 |
| JackyAlcine | Have fun, Roydaman2 | 04:52 |
| shawn__ | hmm | 05:58 |
| shawn__ | back | 05:58 |
| shawn__ | lol, this time on virtual pc lol | 05:58 |
| shawn__ | holstein is afk -_- | 06:00 |
| JackyAlcine | afk? | 06:01 |
| shawn__ | you don't know what that means? | 06:01 |
| JackyAlcine | nope | 06:02 |
| aveilleux | JackyAlcine: Away From Keyboard | 06:02 |
| JackyAlcine | ohhh | 06:02 |
| JackyAlcine | kkay | 06:02 |
| shawn__ | international meaning lol | 06:02 |
| shawn__ | and maybe universal | 06:02 |
| shawn156 | hmm | 07:04 |
| shawn156 | whats the delete command for terminal? | 07:05 |
| akshatj | shawn156: rm | 07:05 |
| shawn156 | oh wow | 07:05 |
| shawn156 | how do i reformat ext2? | 07:09 |
| shawn156 | in terminal | 07:09 |
| shawn156 | idk the reformat command | 07:30 |
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| geekosopher | shawn156: read the info at 'man mkfs.ext2' | 07:44 |
| shawn156 | oh | 07:46 |
| shawn156 | very helpfull.... | 07:46 |
| geekosopher | shawn156: read well :) | 07:48 |
| shawn156 | -_- | 07:49 |
| shawn156 | this is getting to stressfull | 07:50 |
| shawn156 | although i just wanted linux on my Jornada 720, to play duke nukem 3d and such | 07:51 |
| wilkanaut | what's up channel | 09:25 |
| UndiFineD | a cloud filled sky full of snow | 09:43 |
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| Silver_Fox_ | Hello. | 11:44 |
| Puck` | hi Silver_Fox_ (: | 11:45 |
| Timo_ | does anyone know how I can change the speed of my side-scroll button on my mouse? | 11:48 |
| Silver_Fox_ | Hello Puck` | 11:50 |
| Puck` | how are you Silver_Fox_ ? | 11:50 |
| Silver_Fox_ | Timo_, System>Preferences>Mouse | 11:51 |
| Silver_Fox_ | Offhand, not booted into Ubuntu at the moment | 11:51 |
| Puck` | Timo_: I never owned a mouse with a side scrolelr .. | 11:51 |
| Silver_Fox_ | I am fine thank you Puck` . how are you ? | 11:51 |
| Puck` | Silver_Fox_: enjoying '11 (: | 11:53 |
| Puck` | and looking at the new drupal 7 release | 11:53 |
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| === sresu_ is now known as sresu | ||
| === vipul is now known as Bipul` | ||
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
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| doez | I canno't type '@' in ubuntu, does anyone have a solution for this? The problem only applies when I have my "fglrx" graphics driver. I have a HD 5870. | 15:40 |
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| evfool | hi all | 20:02 |
| aveilleux | Hello evfool | 20:07 |
| red-raven | hey. | 20:14 |
| aveilleux | hello red-raven | 20:15 |
| wyhteagle | hey red-raven | 20:16 |
| red-raven | sup guys? im rehabilitating this old XO desktop. | 20:16 |
| red-raven | XP* | 20:16 |
| wyhteagle | Congrats! | 20:17 |
| red-raven | im excited. second install. dual-boot ubuntu 10.10 and XP. it will be my new guinea pig machine. | 20:20 |
| red-raven | can anyone help me out with partitions? | 20:21 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: Ubuntu can automatically repartition for you. | 20:23 |
| red-raven | yah but thats not exactly what i need. see, this desktop is virus-riden, so i need to do a full wipe of the HD. im doing that from Gparted on a Live CD. then i need to resize the blank HD. aftter that ill take the CD out, reinstall XP, then install ubuntu. or can it do that? | 20:25 |
| wyhteagle | That easiest thing to do it just delete the partition. | 20:26 |
| wyhteagle | Install XP using entire disk | 20:26 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: Erm, just delete the Windows partition in GParted | 20:26 |
| wyhteagle | than install ubuntu | 20:26 |
| aveilleux | wyhteagle +1 | 20:26 |
| red-raven | but why dont i just delete and repartition in the Live CD, and then i wont have to do it from the XP disk? | 20:27 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: Because it's unnecessary | 20:27 |
| red-raven | but what does it matter which disk i partition from? | 20:28 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: It's much easier to just delete the partition in GParted, then wipe the disk using the Windows disk, then let Ubuntu automatically resize. It's all done for you. | 20:28 |
| wyhteagle | red-raven: we're just giveing you the easiest option. | 20:28 |
| red-raven | ok. so gparted is open. seems like its got 3 partitions and one unallocated. how do i tell the max partitions again? | 20:30 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: What do you mean by that? Using logical partitions, one can theoretically have an unlimited number of partitions. | 20:30 |
| red-raven | theres a restore partition, Dellutitlity, and an NTFS that i assume has windows on it. | 20:31 |
| red-raven | just wondering how many normal partitions. | 20:31 |
| red-raven | no reason really. | 20:31 |
| red-raven | hey nit-wit! | 20:32 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: Uh, I still don't know what you mean. You can have a maximum of *physical* partitions is something like four partitions, but using logical partitions one can have any number of partitions one wants (space permitting) | 20:33 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, hello just got out of my Wednesdays class | 20:33 |
| red-raven | ok cool. | 20:33 |
| red-raven | how was it? | 20:33 |
| wyhteagle | Red-Raven: just removed all of the partitions if this is a junk computer. | 20:33 |
| red-raven | so just right click delete everything? | 20:33 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: Yes | 20:34 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, good I have took a course from the Teacher last term this is a womens resistance course | 20:34 |
| nit-wit | *taken oops | 20:34 |
| red-raven | cewl. | 20:35 |
| red-raven | wiping the HD leaves the BIOS intact because its built into the motherboard right? | 20:36 |
| wyhteagle | red-raven right | 20:37 |
| red-raven | alright then. everything is wiped. that was really fast. | 20:37 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: Well, yes. The drive itself isn't *really* wiped; the data is still there. The space was just de-allocated, though. | 20:37 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: If you want to really wipe the drive, tell the Windows XP install disc to format as NTFS (but NOT the quick option) | 20:38 |
| red-raven | ok got it. booting from XP disk now. | 20:38 |
| red-raven | so the data is all jumbled up? | 20:39 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: Random garbage is written to the disk. So there's no coherent data on the "free space" on the disk. | 20:39 |
| aveilleux | ....man, I think I run WIndows too efficiently. | 20:40 |
| red-raven | meaning? | 20:40 |
| aveilleux | It's been three months since I ran CCleaner, and it only removed 145 MB. | 20:40 |
| aveilleux | (CCleaner removes temp files and other garbage that can collect over time) | 20:40 |
| red-raven | ....wow. *switches it on* BLUE SCREEN OF DEATHHHHH! | 20:41 |
| aveilleux | Yes, Windows uses white text on a blue screen for installation. | 20:42 |
| aveilleux | Windows XP, anyway. | 20:42 |
| red-raven | ok so i have just the one unallocated partiton thing now. do i: set up windows XP, Create a partiton in an unpartitioned space, or delete the partiton? idk if the last one would wipe it. | 20:43 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: ...you shouldn't have any partitions at all... Unpartitioned space is the lack of a partition, not an unallocated partition. | 20:44 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: Did you, perhaps, not hit "apply" in GParted? | 20:44 |
| red-raven | well, thats what i meant. | 20:44 |
| red-raven | no it is all unallocated. ignore that. | 20:44 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: Allocate as much space as you can into one huge NTFS partition, then tell it to do the slow format. | 20:45 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: Then go make lunch or something, you'll be there a while. | 20:45 |
| red-raven | so which do i press then, create partition in unpartitioned space? | 20:45 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: yes | 20:45 |
| red-raven | (its all unalocated) | 20:45 |
| red-raven | ok thx. | 20:46 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, are you installing the XP? | 20:47 |
| red-raven | why is there still 8 MB that cant go into the new partiton? sorry for all the seemingly unrelated questions. i just like to know as much as i can for learning purposes. | 20:47 |
| red-raven | yes. | 20:47 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, viva XP | 20:47 |
| red-raven | best OS they made. 7 might be better though. | 20:48 |
| aveilleux | ugh | 20:48 |
| aveilleux | XP is awful | 20:48 |
| red-raven | um, Vista? | 20:49 |
| aveilleux | After SP1 it's pretty damn fantastic, | 20:49 |
| aveilleux | . | 20:49 |
| red-raven | anyways, whats with the 8 MB? | 20:49 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, what was the linux you wanted on there? | 20:49 |
| red-raven | yah if your system isn't too cripled to DL the SPI..... | 20:49 |
| aveilleux | You can't allocate the last 8MB because NTFS likes to round to the nearest cylinder. Chances are, your hard drive isn't *exactly* whatever size, so it has a tiny bit of overflow. | 20:49 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: Then... install it with SP1? I really don't see the issue here. | 20:50 |
| red-raven | standered Ubuntu. then maybe some environments. why? | 20:50 |
| red-raven | @nit-wit btw | 20:50 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: Vista wasn't exactly cripp'ed before SP1; SP1 just fixed a lot of the problems. Did you /use/ it? | 20:50 |
| wyhteagle | aveilleux, the word "Vista" should be banned from this IRC | 20:51 |
| nit-wit | red-raven the one you mentioned I firget the name I could,t get installed in a virtual and was grub-legacy | 20:51 |
| wyhteagle | It should kick you everytime you say it | 20:51 |
| aveilleux | Why? | 20:51 |
| wyhteagle | aveilleux, Has a Helpdesk guy I have a personal Hate for Vista | 20:51 |
| red-raven | know people who did. both really good tech's. one even tried to put Linux on his. Vista botched it. | 20:51 |
| aveilleux | How did Vista botch anything? OSs can't affect each other. | 20:52 |
| aveilleux | That's really not how it works. | 20:52 |
| nit-wit | aveilleux, that sp1 should upgrade all the way to sp3 is this correct | 20:52 |
| wyhteagle | red-raven, Ya Vista wouldn't Botch a Linux install | 20:52 |
| aveilleux | wyhteagle: Methinks you should try it out instead of just complaining about it, hmm? | 20:52 |
| aveilleux | am I like the only person ever who used Vista? | 20:53 |
| red-raven | IDK how, i didnt get details. i will next time. | 20:53 |
| nit-wit | wyhteagle, your just not being specific here any OS can botch another if the user is not familiar | 20:53 |
| red-raven | in this IRC? probably. | 20:53 |
| wyhteagle | aveilleux, I personally used Vista for about a year. I didn't Mind using it but I know what I'm doing. Supporting it though was a nightmare | 20:53 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: They might have used Wubi, but Wubi is an awful system | 20:54 |
| wyhteagle | nit-wit, Agreed sorry I'll be better with my wording | 20:54 |
| aveilleux | wyhteagle: Supporting it? "Click the Start menu. Type <Control Panel Applet here>. Click. Be happy." | 20:54 |
| nit-wit | wyhteagle, it is easy to misinterpret something and use that as a methodology when it may be flwed in design and perception no big deal.:) | 20:55 |
| red-raven | the same guy i mentioned, his rig couldn't even watch netflicks. shut down at the same point in the movie. also it couldn't handle rendering a simple video. | 20:55 |
| aveilleux | wyhteagle: Unless these people were masochists and left UAC turned on. | 20:55 |
| red-raven | ....how are we discussing this here? its the ubuntu beginner forum. | 20:55 |
| wyhteagle | aveilleux, Most did but the biggest issues were in Proformance and Printers | 20:56 |
| aveilleux | wyhteagle: That's on the hardware manufacturers, not Microsoft. | 20:56 |
| nit-wit | aveilleux, try sayng that on the ##windos channel the UAC is the safety of the OS to them by and large, in the root and all lol | 20:56 |
| red-raven | UAC? | 20:56 |
| aveilleux | nit-wit: Well then they're ninnies. | 20:56 |
| wyhteagle | nit-wit, <shivers at the thought> | 20:56 |
| nit-wit | aveilleux, I tried to give them a better ideal but they know everything. | 20:57 |
| wyhteagle | At least in Win 7 they made turning UAC off that much easier | 20:57 |
| aveilleux | wyhteagle: Just like the BSOD. Windows itself almost never bluescreens (and Vista actually has driver crash recovery so it doesn't matter) and it's usually a faulty driver. | 20:57 |
| aveilleux | wyhteagle: It... was a button in Vista. "Click here to turn off UAC." | 20:57 |
| nit-wit | I leave it on in W7 the I can't run a root process without it in a limited acont unless I missed something | 20:58 |
| wyhteagle | aveilleux, Yes but it was hidden in a tiny control Users portion and required a restart to accually do anything. | 20:58 |
| aveilleux | wyhteagle: It was in the sidebar of the default Users control applet. | 20:58 |
| wyhteagle | aveilleux, When I took my 76-680 test the big portion was on UAC. and theory was to just it off | 20:59 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, UAC is that opo-up protector that asks you are you sure you want to runn this | 20:59 |
| nit-wit | *popup | 20:59 |
| red-raven | just skimed the wiki article. that what the apple comercials were pointing out wasn't it? | 20:59 |
| wyhteagle | aveilleux, Yes I'm being a little sarcastic because I really didn't like Vista | 20:59 |
| aveilleux | wyhteagle: I don't know what that is, but I don't really care either. UAC isn't that uge of a deal, just to shut it off. It's really obvious and there are like six ways to do it. | 21:00 |
| aveilleux | huge* | 21:00 |
| wyhteagle | aveilleux, Agreed. | 21:00 |
| aveilleux | wyhteagle: I managed to get through the MCAS for Windows Vista without encountering any questions about UAC, so apparently Microsoft itself doesn't deem it important enough to teach about. | 21:00 |
| red-raven | hey whats up with FF? some of the text is either on another language or a freakish font. | 21:02 |
| wyhteagle | aveilleux, Weird because both the Vista, configuring and the win 7, configuring certs had alot of questions related to it. 70-685 was big into it also | 21:02 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, is the different language from a google search | 21:03 |
| red-raven | oh Mcast? ive taken it for MS Power point 2007. | 21:03 |
| red-raven | yah i think so. | 21:03 |
| aveilleux | wyhteagle: UAC is a terrible piece of software and the only thing anyone should ever know about it is "turn it off". | 21:03 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, if google doesn't have english or your native language set it will bring up others | 21:04 |
| wyhteagle | aveilleux, LOL I won't argue that | 21:04 |
| red-raven | oh ok. how do i do that? i can't read it. | 21:04 |
| red-raven | NVM found it. it was a link of some sorts on the home page but it changed it permenantly. | 21:09 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, are you asking how do you set the google search? | 21:11 |
| red-raven | yah and i found it. | 21:11 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, cool I have my google set to search via https | 21:12 |
| red-raven | why? | 21:13 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, it is a encrypted search https://encrypted.google.com/webhp?hl=en | 21:13 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, this is it set to english | 21:14 |
| red-raven | so whats it for besides no history? | 21:14 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, the geekiness I guess, | 21:14 |
| red-raven | oh so thats really it? | 21:15 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, I have FF set to never rember anything and a few choice addons blocking stuff to begin with | 21:15 |
| red-raven | oh ok. btw XP is almost done. feels like fankinstien, except im using the original parts. | 21:16 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, funny thing is though even though my browser has a small footprint it is unique overall so it stands out | 21:16 |
| red-raven | visually? | 21:17 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, no with a site that does browser scanning and comparison with others that run the comparison forget the site name | 21:17 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, xp the frankenputer | 21:18 |
| wyhteagle | afk | 21:19 |
| red-raven | nit-wit what do yo u mean comparison? of what? | 21:19 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, this site looks at the browser and the fingerprint so to speak and compres it with others that people run. | 21:20 |
| nit-wit | *compares | 21:20 |
| red-raven | for what purpose? | 21:20 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, some of us want a small fingerprint and as much privacy and safety as possible | 21:21 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: statistics | 21:21 |
| nit-wit | aveilleux, do you remember or know the site? | 21:22 |
| red-raven | ok oh so just for fyn then. how does it give a small footprint?'; | 21:22 |
| red-raven | fun* | 21:22 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, I have cookie blockers flash blockers adblockers, basically less information is gathered about me in general. | 21:23 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, I also do't have to see any adds | 21:24 |
| nit-wit | *don't | 21:24 |
| red-raven | oh. ill have to get those sometime. are most of them FF add-ons? | 21:24 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, I'm talking about FF but chromium has some to as well as opera | 21:25 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: Opera has content blocking built-in, as well as some moderately-useful script and cookie blocking plugins | 21:25 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, really on a windows set up noscript is the first defense it is a FF addon | 21:26 |
| nit-wit | aveilleux, yeah and youcan add the fanboys list in opera as well | 21:26 |
| nit-wit | the weak link is always the user though | 21:26 |
| aveilleux | nit-wit: Beg pardon? | 21:27 |
| red-raven | whats the fanboy list? | 21:27 |
| nit-wit | aveilleux, to what | 21:27 |
| red-raven | its alive! never thought i'd see it up again. | 21:27 |
| aveilleux | nit-wit: The sentence you directed toward me. What is the "fanboys list"? | 21:28 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, fan boy is part of the FF addon addblock a choice of blocking for adds | 21:28 |
| nit-wit | aveilleux, I wil l post it hold on | 21:28 |
| nit-wit | here is the fanboy link. http://www.fanboy.co.nz/adblock/opera/ | 21:29 |
| red-raven | cool. can't get many for the windows FF because its beta 4, but ill definatly put it on Linux. | 21:29 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, I have FF 3,6,13 and four runing | 21:29 |
| red-raven | ....why? | 21:30 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, basically the addons work in 3.6 and I want them, ff4 for watching it develop | 21:30 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: He means 3.6.13. Commas are used in place of the decimal point outside North America | 21:31 |
| nit-wit | aveilleux, I'm just a bad typer. | 21:31 |
| aveilleux | Or that. | 21:31 |
| red-raven | oh lol. | 21:31 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, I will try to get that together, I use a netbook with 90% key size that is my excuse and I'm sticking with it :) | 21:32 |
| nit-wit | aveilleux, do you see the fanboy's list | 21:33 |
| aveilleux | nit-wit: Yes, it's similar to a list I keep locally | 21:34 |
| red-raven | lol. man XP is taking forever. one flood bar after another. | 21:34 |
| red-raven | so you guys check if-y sites against it? | 21:34 |
| nit-wit | aveilleux, I like opera but hardly use it. | 21:34 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: No, I use Norton DNS to protect against blacklisted sites and I use Opera's content blocker to block ads and other URLs. | 21:36 |
| nit-wit | I use it to get to the College web sign in, FF with noscript has to have the abe boundaries off to get in a hassle really | 21:36 |
| red-raven | why does Kubuntu have its own blue symbol? or do all the ubuntu environments have their own version? | 21:37 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: All the official variations have their own logo. | 21:38 |
| red-raven | oh ok thx. sorry for all the random questions. i just like to know as much as possible. | 21:38 |
| red-raven | like is this one of those partial installs you warned me about? http://imagebin.org/131173 | 21:39 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: No | 21:40 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: You're thinking of a "partial upgrade", which won't happen to you since you're not upgrading Ubuntu | 21:40 |
| red-raven | what are they used for? to get 10.10 to 10.04 or something? | 21:41 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: It's when an upgrade from one version to another (ex. 10.04 to 10.10) fails for some reason or another, but not catastrophically | 21:42 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, your looking at a in the same OS upgrade and it would tell if it was partial, sometimes it happens in the development part of a OS before release, or on a upgrade to the next OS like Lucid to Mavrick | 21:42 |
| aveilleux | brbreboot | 21:42 |
| red-raven | oh thx. Xp is done. time for linux. | 21:44 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, so I would say make sure that the Linux is using grub2 unless you know about adding to the grub-legacy menu.list. | 21:59 |
| red-raven | ok. how? or do i need to install it to know? | 22:00 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: If you're using anything after 9.04 you're already using GRUB2 | 22:01 |
| red-raven | ok its 10.10 so im good. | 22:01 |
| red-raven | how am i able to connect to the internet? i have a wireless antena in the back of the rig but the drivers for it must have been wiped. but its still working. just how many drivers does ubuntu have buit-in? | 22:02 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: Many | 22:02 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: Linux doesn't use Windows drivers anyway | 22:03 |
| red-raven | oh ok that makes sense. so if it didm't have the drivers built-in i'd be toast? unless i USB'd the drivers over. | 22:04 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: Does it not have an ethernet port? | 22:04 |
| red-raven | or right. | 22:04 |
| red-raven | oh* | 22:04 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, you wanted some slak variation before that was grub-legacy that is why I mentioned it | 22:04 |
| nit-wit | aveilleux, this computer has 512 ram I believe | 22:05 |
| aveilleux | nit-wit: *blinkblink* Erm, okay? | 22:06 |
| red-raven | it does. so do i need legacy or is grub2 ok for slimer footprints? | 22:06 |
| nit-wit | aveilleux, red-raven was lookng for lighter setup originally that is what i meant.Ubuntu will run a litle slower but will run at 512. | 22:07 |
| red-raven | ive already noticed significant lag in this machine. | 22:07 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: It makes no difference, the bootloader doesn't impact the OS performance. | 22:07 |
| red-raven | compared to my laptop anyways, which while running Ubuntu hasn't paused once. | 22:08 |
| nit-wit | aveilleux, but the user should know the depth of the mud there stepping into, before stepping in. | 22:09 |
| red-raven | i know. im wondering if i can get other (slimer) environments with grub2, or if i need legancy. | 22:09 |
| red-raven | legacy* | 22:09 |
| red-raven | what mud? | 22:09 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, mud is a metaphor for a little more work needed | 22:10 |
| nit-wit | maybe | 22:10 |
| red-raven | i know. whats the work? | 22:10 |
| red-raven | getting grub-legacy, or the slower RAM? | 22:11 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, grub-legacy generally has to have a file modified to see other OS. Grub2 does it automatically. | 22:11 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, ram=speed | 22:12 |
| red-raven | i know. thats what i meant. | 22:12 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, grub-legacy is no big deal I just want you prepared since your a new user.:) | 22:12 |
| red-raven | so do i need legacy for other environments? or does it depend on the environment? | 22:14 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, some OS come with grub-legacy and can be upgraded to grub2 | 22:14 |
| red-raven | why not just make it come with grub2 | 22:15 |
| red-raven | ?* | 22:15 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: Out of date | 22:15 |
| steemed | Very out of date | 22:15 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, most open source will run with grub-leagacy or grub2. Personnaly I like gru2 as it is a auot find=os-prober of the other OS's on the HD | 22:15 |
| nit-wit | steemed, arch doesn't seem to think so | 22:16 |
| steemed | nit-wit, They don't have grub2? | 22:16 |
| nit-wit | many geeky OS still run grub-legacy | 22:16 |
| steemed | As in lightweight | 22:16 |
| nit-wit | steemed, nope I think you can upgrade it though | 22:17 |
| red-raven | oh ok. well aren't all the ubuntu environments up-to-date? | 22:17 |
| steemed | Yes | 22:17 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, from the ones metioned and beyond | 22:17 |
| nit-wit | *mentioned. | 22:17 |
| red-raven | ok well then they would all have grub 2? | 22:17 |
| steemed | Most desktop OS use grub 2 | 22:18 |
| red-raven | and you can only get ubuntu environments on an ubuntu install? | 22:18 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: What? The only "ubuntu environment" is Unity, which is made by Canonical | 22:19 |
| nit-wit | steemed, be careful here as that isn't necessarily true, and creates a false information system with a user not hip to this stuff | 22:19 |
| steemed | aveilleux, not yet | 22:19 |
| red-raven | xubuntu? | 22:19 |
| red-raven | BRB | 22:19 |
| steemed | Xubuntu is a XFCE environment | 22:20 |
| steemed | Kubuntu is KDE 4.? | 22:20 |
| nit-wit | steemed, red-raven is like 4-5 days into Linux we have to be careful with broad statements here I think | 22:20 |
| steemed | nit-wit, why did he come? | 22:20 |
| steemed | aveilleux, Unity is only used on Ubuntu netbook | 22:21 |
| steemed | Oh wait | 22:21 |
| steemed | You're correct in ownership | 22:21 |
| steemed | Duh XD | 22:21 |
| aveilleux | steemed: Not for much longer. | 22:21 |
| nit-wit | steemed, you will have to ask them.:) the thrill I suspect of more control probably. | 22:21 |
| steemed | I came for security and Formula One speed | 22:21 |
| steemed | Alllll riiiiiiggghhht | 22:22 |
| steemed | ;) | 22:22 |
| nit-wit | steemed, unity is the default for natty | 22:22 |
| steemed | Yep | 22:22 |
| steemed | I know | 22:22 |
| * steemed makes note of his old cloak | 22:22 | |
| steemed | /ubuntu/member :) | 22:22 |
| nit-wit | I never liked grub-legacy I always upgrade to grub2 when I can if needed | 22:22 |
| steemed | Used to be a big member | 22:22 |
| steemed | Not anymore; bus | 22:22 |
| steemed | busy | 22:23 |
| red-raven | I came for fun. thought it would be cool to put a new OS on my rig, and i would learn a lot, and i certainly have/ | 22:47 |
| red-raven | .* | 22:47 |
| red-raven | nit-wit, about the environments. can you DL any Linux environment onto Ubuntu, or just ones like X,L,K,ubuntu etc? | 22:49 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, do you mean desktops that will run in Ubuntu? | 22:50 |
| red-raven | yes. | 22:51 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: XFCE, LXDE, KDE, GNOME, Black/Flux/Openbox | 22:51 |
| nit-wit | aveilleux, thanks those are the ones | 22:51 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: There are so many more | 22:51 |
| red-raven | so can any go onto ubuntu? or just certain ones? | 22:51 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: Most of them are available in the repos, all of them will compile and run | 22:52 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, you can install as many as you want although they will overlap into each other. You can choose which one at the login scree | 22:52 |
| nit-wit | *screen | 22:53 |
| red-raven | overlap? | 22:53 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, you will see programs from the other desktop that are not part of just a single desktops setup | 22:54 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, but you can also totally remove any one of them and install another | 22:54 |
| red-raven | if i remove one will the overlaped files go away? | 22:55 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, if done correctly yes | 22:55 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, more like overlapped programs just extra stuff it can get a bit confusing so be careful. | 22:56 |
| red-raven | ok awesome. well im at the partitioning screen for installing ubuntu on the XP. it shows one partition at 79990 MB with 3231 MB used. what do i shrink it to? | 22:56 |
| jabumbo | i am having trouble installing version 10.10 | 22:57 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, you probably wont break it by just adding stuff=desktops, but if your not familiar with what each one offers in its stand alone stae it can get confusing | 22:57 |
| jabumbo | it says it can not mount /dev/loop0 | 22:57 |
| nit-wit | *state | 22:57 |
| nit-wit | jabumbo, are you trying alooped ISO install? | 22:58 |
| red-raven | ok tnx. | 22:58 |
| red-raven | h* | 22:58 |
| jabumbo | trying on a newly built PC | 22:59 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, here is a great link in the lower lest panel you will see playing around this gives a little bit of insight. The site is great overall. http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index | 22:59 |
| jabumbo | would it be easier to install windows first? | 23:02 |
| aveilleux | jabumbo: To do a dual-boot? Yes, always install Windows first/ | 23:02 |
| nit-wit | jabumbo, what is your final goal here, and agree with the windows first if you have a choice | 23:03 |
| jabumbo | the new PC is for gaming and backup | 23:04 |
| jabumbo | so the laptop isn't so bogged down | 23:04 |
| jabumbo | the HDD was used as backup storage externally until now | 23:04 |
| nit-wit | jabumbo, I meant what operating systems do you want in the end | 23:05 |
| jabumbo | i've never been a big fan of all the junk windows comes with, so i was hoping to get away from it | 23:06 |
| jabumbo | i won't install it at all if i am still able to run all of the games without it | 23:07 |
| jabumbo | windows, that is | 23:07 |
| nit-wit | jabumbo, do you need help? | 23:15 |
| jabumbo | yes, my disk doesn't seem to want to install | 23:15 |
| nit-wit | jabumbo, can you tell what operating systems you want to at least be set up to tweak or remove later if not wanted or needed. | 23:16 |
| jabumbo | just looking to start with ubuntu v10.10 and windows xp if needed | 23:17 |
| nit-wit | jabumbo, install the XP first can you boot that disc | 23:18 |
| jabumbo | yes, it will boot. i was just hoping to avoid the reformat that it requires | 23:19 |
| nit-wit | jabumbo, reformat? | 23:19 |
| jabumbo | the XP disk told me that i had to partition/reformat the HDD for installation | 23:20 |
| nit-wit | jabumbo, so will any install | 23:20 |
| jabumbo | not without a reformat | 23:20 |
| aveilleux | jabumbo: In order to install an operating system you must reformat the system | 23:20 |
| aveilleux | jabumbo: Or, do you mean taking an existing install and installing Ubuntu alongside it? | 23:21 |
| jabumbo | i have nothing installed as of right now | 23:21 |
| aveilleux | jabumbo: Then yes, you must format the system. Why do you not want to? | 23:21 |
| jabumbo | the HDD has backup files | 23:22 |
| nit-wit | jabumbo, can you take a screen shot of whatever partitioner you have that can read that HD | 23:23 |
| red-raven | hey thanks for the link nit-wit. just got one more question and then ill leave you guys alone (anyone can answere here) what do i shrink the HD down to, and how do i do this with gparted (i think i just click new partition table)? its got 79990 MB (80GB) with 3231 MB used. | 23:24 |
| jabumbo | not without pulling the PC apart! | 23:24 |
| aveilleux | jabumbo: What? Partitioners are software | 23:24 |
| red-raven | ...you cant get a screen shot by pulling the pc apart.... | 23:24 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, so you have XP installed and you want to dual boot right | 23:25 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: You can use the utility "GParted" to shrink the partitions down | 23:25 |
| jabumbo | the only thing that loads on the PC is the boot screen and then error messages | 23:25 |
| aveilleux | jabumbo: That data is on the disk? | 23:25 |
| red-raven | yes. how much do i shrink it by though. | 23:25 |
| aveilleux | red-raven: Enough to let you have room for files? | 23:25 |
| nit-wit | jabumbo, do you have a bootable partitioner like a gparted disc. You see to get advice we really need to be sure you kno2w what your doing, or know what is there to advise you safely. | 23:26 |
| red-raven | so then probably more for linux. ill get a GB/MB converter up and pick myself then. thx! | 23:27 |
| aveilleux | jabumbo: I meant, "what data is on the disk" | 23:27 |
| nit-wit | red-raven, just be surer to reboot to XP after shrinking before doing the install, to make sure it runs the auto-chkdsk if needed and boots | 23:27 |
| nit-wit | *sure | 23:27 |
| jabumbo | the disks that i have are the 2 for the OS's and one for the motherboard | 23:28 |
| jabumbo | the data on the disk is just standard files. nothing vital, just things i would rather not have to replicate | 23:29 |
| aveilleux | jabumbo: That makes no sense. Hard drives do not contain the motherboard. | 23:29 |
| aveilleux | ...well then | 23:31 |
| red-raven | yah i was thinking the same thing..... | 23:31 |
| aveilleux | I think he has his terms royally mixed up | 23:31 |
| red-raven | screen shot. | 23:31 |
| ShootEmUp | Hello Everyone! | 23:38 |
| sogepp | anybody here working with gimp? | 23:42 |
| aveilleux | sogepp: I do semi-regularly. What's up? | 23:43 |
| sogepp | can you tell me any webs that teach about gimp, execpt gimp.org | 23:44 |
| aveilleux | sogepp: I like this place: http://gimp-tutorials.net/ | 23:44 |
| sogepp | ok, thx | 23:44 |
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