[00:05] <Red-raven> 34%......wow.......
[00:05] <Red-raven> cani edit and delete partitions from the XP install disk holstein?
[00:39] <shawn146> holstein you still there?
[00:45] <shawn146> hmm
[00:49] <holstein> shawn146: i was napping L)
[00:49] <holstein>  :) *
[00:49] <holstein> im back now
[00:50] <holstein> Red-raven: you can edit partitions that xp reads and writes
[00:50] <holstein> fat and ntfs
[00:50] <holstein> well, you can delete others
[00:50] <johnny77> Can someone please explain the difference between Xubuntu & xfce. I know that xfce is the desktop environment which Xubuntu uses. But what separates Xubuntu from just xfce?
[00:51] <holstein> johnny77: imagine you want to make a linux distro
[00:51] <holstein> and you want to use XFCE for the DE
[00:51] <pleia2> johnny77: different default applications
[00:51] <holstein> whatever other choices you want to make
[00:51] <holstein> file manager
[00:51] <holstein> mediaplayer
[00:51] <holstein> those kind of packages and others
[00:52] <holstein> thats what xubuntu is
[00:53] <holstein> the xubuntu team would make those choices
[00:53] <holstein> default apps, theme, wallpaper, whatever else
[00:54] <johnny77> brb, sorry grabbing a bite to eat.
[00:59] <Red-raven> eighty....one.....%.....keep......crawling....
[01:04] <shawn146> ok i am setting up justin.tv
[01:10] <shawn146> here we go
[01:10] <shawn146> http://www.justin.tv/shawn146
[01:12] <shawn146> to holstein
[01:12] <shawn146> and anybody else who would like to help
[01:16] <johnny77> If I like the packages that came with Ubuntu, but want a light weight DE, then I should install xfce instead of Xubuntu.
[01:17] <holstein> johnny77: check out lxde
[01:17] <holstein> there are metapackages too
[01:17] <holstein> xubuntu-desktop lubuntu-desktop... etc
[01:17] <holstein> lxde is one of those you can just install though
[01:18] <holstein> sudo apt-get install lxde
[01:18] <holstein> and usually just works
[01:18] <shawn146> hmm
[01:18] <shawn146> anyone on me channel yet?
[01:18] <shawn146> http://www.justin.tv/shawn146
[01:19] <holstein> shawn146: im trying to find a browser that "likes" it
[01:19] <shawn146> oh lol
[01:20] <johnny77> holstein: I originally installed Ubuntu, then added Xubuntu, Lubuntu and Kubuntu. Kubuntu too much for my netbook; Lubuntu too little options. I liked Xubuntu, but cleaned them all off to have a cleaner system.
[01:21] <johnny77> holstein: now I'm trying to decide if I want to install Xubuntu or would just installing the xfce DE be enough to get what I wanted.
[01:21] <holstein> shawn146: midori seems to like it OK
[01:21] <shawn146> midori?
[01:21] <holstein> i blame flash though
[01:22] <holstein> midori browser
[01:22] <holstein> johnny77: if you're wanting something light
[01:22] <holstein> check out lxde
[01:22] <holstein> its been argued that xubuntu has become about as heavy as the gnomre verion
[01:22] <holstein> gnome*
[01:22] <holstein> i personally dont think its that extreme
[01:23] <holstein> BUT i find lxde lighter
[01:24] <Red-raven> 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:24] <shawn146> can you  see it holstein?
[01:24] <holstein> shawn146: yup
[01:24] <shawn146> oh you left
[01:24] <johnny77> holstein: are you familiar with lxde? When I tried it, it seemed as if there where not as many options about panels, menu etc.
[01:24] <shawn146> i see one person on my channe;l
[01:24] <holstein> shawn146: well, i could...
[01:24] <shawn146> myself o.o
[01:25] <holstein> yeah
[01:25] <holstein> im back
[01:25] <shawn146> ?
[01:25] <shawn146> try talking in the channel
[01:25] <holstein> they want me to register
[01:29] <shawn146> you there holstein
[01:29] <shawn146> yea its free tor egister
[01:29] <shawn146> you can actually type
[01:29] <shawn146> i created one
[01:30] <shawn146> to  type in other channels lol , and broadcast
[01:30] <harrisonk> hello all
[01:31] <shawn146> hi
[01:31] <holstein> shawn146: i'll look into it in a bit... i gotta run for a while... BBL
[01:31] <johnny77> hi
[01:32] <shawn146> oh
[01:32] <shawn146> ...
[01:32] <shawn146> seems i did all this for nothing
[01:33] <harrisonk> Why is the flightgear in synaptic version 1.9.1?
[01:33] <harrisonk> and not 2.0.0/
[01:33] <harrisonk> *?
[01:34] <harrisonk> 2.2.0 is coming out soon as well
[02:05] <ColdPhoenix> hello
[02:06] <johnny77> If I wanted to install just the xfce DE and not the full Xubuntu, can I do that out of the repositories or do I need to download.
[02:21] <Negative_One> I'm having trouble using tasksel to add audio and graphics suites
[02:27] <Red-raven> Hey the ISO is done. how do i burn it again?
[02:27] <BR> can your make a boot disk with a scan disk drive and if so how?
[02:27] <BR> you
[02:27] <Red-raven> scan disk?
[02:28] <BR> right click on it and burn to disk
[02:28] <Red-raven> whats a scan disk?
[02:28] <BR> yeah a mirco scan disk card
[02:28] <Cheri703> sandisk
[02:28] <Cheri703> ?
[02:28] <Red-raven> sandisk. thought so.
[02:28] <BR> their like usb flash drives with out the sub
[02:28] <BR> usb
[02:29] <Red-raven> like a memory chip?
[02:29] <BR> yeah
[02:29] <BR> out of disks
[02:29] <Cheri703> sd card?
[02:29] <BR> yeah
[02:29] <Cheri703> probably just like making a liveUSB I'd imagine
[02:29] <Red-raven> if your BIOS had the option the boot from that port, i think so. but it probably can't.
[02:29] <BR> never done that before
[02:30] <Cheri703> yeah, MAKING it isn't necessarily the issue, USING it would be
[02:30] <Cheri703> are you using ubuntu now BR ?
[02:30] <BR> yes
[02:30] <Cheri703> go to system > administration > startup disk creator
[02:30] <Cheri703> or something like that
[02:31] <Cheri703> and you can choose the iso and make a liveUSB (or sd probably)
[02:31] <BR> ok thats
[02:31] <BR> thanks
[02:31] <Red-raven> hey what do i do to burn a disk with the ISO again?
[02:31] <Cheri703> Red-raven: are you in ubuntu?
[02:33] <Red-raven> win7
[02:34] <Cheri703> ah, ok
[02:34] <Cheri703> do you have a cd burning software? other than a media player?
[02:34] <Cheri703> if not, download imgburn, it's free
[02:35] <Red-raven> yah win7 had it built in.
[02:35] <Cheri703> ah, ok
[02:35] <Cheri703> you just need to do a "burn as image" or something like that
[02:35] <Cheri703> otherwise it'll just put the file on the disk and it won't be bootable
[02:36] <BR> its not working
[02:36] <Cheri703> BR: do you not have a usb drive?
[02:36] <BR> no just sd card
[02:37] <Cheri703> no cd's?
[02:37] <BR> nope
[02:39] <Red-raven> burning it now. this is the only thing that makes my rig run hot.
[02:40] <Cheri703> BR: it *should* be doable to put it on the sd card properly
[02:40] <Cheri703> what isn't working? what message are you getting? not working is pretty generic
[02:41] <BR> the startup creater will not let me do it
[02:42] <Cheri703> in what regard?
[02:44] <BR> i pick the drive and go to pick the iso and doesnt load and cant make boot
[02:45] <Cheri703> what version of ubuntu are you using?
[02:45] <BR> 10.10
[02:46] <Cheri703> hmm...ok. what are you using the sd card boot for?
[02:47] <BR> not im trying to make one
[02:47] <Cheri703> ...I'm confused then, so what are you trying to accomplish?
[02:50] <Cheri703> >> BR> can your make a boot disk with a scan disk drive and if so how?
[02:50] <BR> yes
[02:51] <Cheri703> ok, so?
[02:53] <BR> so?
[02:55] <Red-raven> Burn is done. time to kill XP.
[02:59] <Red-raven> cya guys tommorow.
[04:19] <shawn146> holsein?
[04:20] <JackyAlcine> I'll ping him.
[04:20] <JackyAlcine> He's away, shawn146; I doubt he'd respond.
[04:20] <shawn146> oh
[04:21] <shawn146> could you help me with JLime linux?
[04:21] <shawn146> with the Jornada 720
[04:24] <JackyAlcine> I wouldn't be able to; I'm just a programmer.
[04:24] <JackyAlcine> Sorry.
[04:45] <Roydaman2> does anyone know if they have Trillian for ubuntu and how to find out and or install it??
[04:45] <Flare183> Roydaman2: Pidgin, and Empathy both are the linux alternatives to Trillian
[04:46] <Roydaman2> ok i cannot get empathy to work with facebook
[04:46] <Flare183> and Trillian is windows only software
[04:46] <Flare183> Roydaman2: Try pidgin
[04:46] <Flare183> !pidgin | Roydaman2
[04:46] <ubot2> Roydaman2: The Instant Messenger Client Pidgin (formerly Gaim) (http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Pidgin) supports MSN, XMPP (Jabber, GTalk and variants), AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ, YIM, IRC and others. See also !Kopete
[04:46] <Roydaman2> o i had it on my ipod i didnt know they have it for win
[04:47] <JackyAlcine> Roydaman2: Pidgin has a plugin for Facebook chat. If not, Empathy has it pre-installed.
[04:47] <Flare183> Roydaman2: JackyAlcine is correct :)
[04:48] <Roydaman2> ok i got pidgin how would i go about gettin the plugin?
[04:48] <Flare183> well its in the repos
[04:48] <Flare183> sudo apt-get install pidigin-facebookchat
[04:48] <Flare183> I think
[04:49] <JackyAlcine> Yup, right on the nail, Flare183
[04:49] <JackyAlcine> Use Software Center.
[04:49] <Flare183> Awesome
[04:49] <JackyAlcine> and show the hidden items.
[04:49] <Flare183> That works too ^^
[04:49] <JackyAlcine> it's a little package.
[04:49] <JackyAlcine> lol, it's a bit easier than Synaptic.
[04:49] <Flare183> Lol Yes indeed
[04:49] <Roydaman2> ok thank you guys much
[04:50] <Flare183> Its no problem at all
[04:52] <JackyAlcine> Have fun, Roydaman2
[05:58] <shawn__> hmm
[05:58] <shawn__> back
[05:58] <shawn__> lol, this time on virtual pc lol
[06:00] <shawn__> holstein is afk -_-
[06:01] <JackyAlcine> afk?
[06:01] <shawn__> you don't know what that means?
[06:02] <JackyAlcine> nope
[06:02] <aveilleux> JackyAlcine: Away From Keyboard
[06:02] <JackyAlcine> ohhh
[06:02] <JackyAlcine> kkay
[06:02] <shawn__> international meaning lol
[06:02] <shawn__> and maybe universal
[07:04] <shawn156> hmm
[07:05] <shawn156> whats the delete command for terminal?
[07:05] <akshatj> shawn156: rm
[07:05] <shawn156> oh wow
[07:09] <shawn156> how do i reformat ext2?
[07:09] <shawn156> in terminal
[07:30] <shawn156> idk the reformat command
[07:44] <geekosopher> shawn156: read the info at 'man mkfs.ext2'
[07:46] <shawn156> oh
[07:46] <shawn156> very helpfull....
[07:48] <geekosopher> shawn156: read well :)
[07:49] <shawn156> -_-
[07:50] <shawn156> this is getting to stressfull
[07:51] <shawn156> although i just wanted linux on my Jornada 720, to play duke nukem 3d and such
[09:25] <wilkanaut> what's up channel
[09:43] <UndiFineD> a cloud filled sky full of snow
[11:44] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[11:45] <Puck`> hi Silver_Fox_ (:
[11:48] <Timo_> does anyone know how I can change the speed of my side-scroll button on my mouse?
[11:50] <Silver_Fox_> Hello Puck`
[11:50] <Puck`> how are you Silver_Fox_ ?
[11:51] <Silver_Fox_> Timo_,  System>Preferences>Mouse
[11:51] <Silver_Fox_> Offhand, not booted into Ubuntu at the moment
[11:51] <Puck`> Timo_: I never owned a mouse with a side scrolelr ..
[11:51] <Silver_Fox_> I am fine thank you Puck` .  how are you  ?
[11:53] <Puck`> Silver_Fox_: enjoying '11 (:
[11:53] <Puck`> and looking at the new drupal 7 release
[15:40] <doez> I canno't type '@' in ubuntu, does anyone have a solution for this? The problem only applies when I have my "fglrx" graphics driver. I have a HD 5870.
[20:02] <evfool> hi all
[20:07] <aveilleux> Hello evfool
[20:14] <red-raven> hey.
[20:15] <aveilleux> hello red-raven
[20:16] <wyhteagle> hey red-raven
[20:16] <red-raven> sup guys? im rehabilitating this old XO desktop.
[20:16] <red-raven> XP*
[20:17] <wyhteagle> Congrats!
[20:20] <red-raven> im excited. second install. dual-boot ubuntu 10.10 and XP. it will be my new guinea pig machine.
[20:21] <red-raven> can anyone help me out with partitions?
[20:23] <aveilleux> red-raven: Ubuntu can automatically repartition for you.
[20:25] <red-raven> yah but thats not exactly what i need. see, this desktop is virus-riden, so i need to do a full wipe of the HD. im doing that from Gparted on a Live CD. then i need to resize the blank HD. aftter that ill take the CD  out, reinstall XP, then install ubuntu. or can it do that?
[20:26] <wyhteagle> That easiest thing to do it just delete the partition.
[20:26] <wyhteagle> Install XP using entire disk
[20:26] <aveilleux> red-raven: Erm, just delete the Windows partition in GParted
[20:26] <wyhteagle> than install ubuntu
[20:26] <aveilleux> wyhteagle +1
[20:27] <red-raven> but why dont i just delete and repartition in the Live CD, and then i wont have to do it from the XP disk?
[20:27] <aveilleux> red-raven: Because it's unnecessary
[20:28] <red-raven> but what does it matter which disk i partition from?
[20:28] <aveilleux> red-raven: It's much easier to just delete the partition in GParted, then wipe the disk using the Windows disk, then let Ubuntu automatically resize. It's all done for you.
[20:28] <wyhteagle> red-raven: we're just giveing you the easiest option.
[20:30] <red-raven> ok. so gparted is open. seems like its got 3 partitions and one unallocated. how do i tell the max partitions again?
[20:30] <aveilleux> red-raven: What do you mean by that? Using logical partitions, one can theoretically have an unlimited number of partitions.
[20:31] <red-raven> theres a restore partition, Dellutitlity, and an NTFS that i assume has windows on it.
[20:31] <red-raven> just wondering how many normal partitions.
[20:31] <red-raven> no reason really.
[20:32] <red-raven> hey nit-wit!
[20:33] <aveilleux> red-raven: Uh, I still don't know what you mean. You can have a maximum of *physical* partitions is something like four partitions, but using logical partitions one can have any number of partitions one wants (space permitting)
[20:33] <nit-wit> red-raven, hello just got out of my Wednesdays class
[20:33] <red-raven> ok cool.
[20:33] <red-raven> how was it?
[20:33] <wyhteagle> Red-Raven: just removed all of the partitions if this is a junk computer.
[20:33] <red-raven> so just right click delete everything?
[20:34] <aveilleux> red-raven: Yes
[20:34] <nit-wit> red-raven, good  I have took a course from the Teacher last term this is a womens resistance course
[20:34] <nit-wit> *taken oops
[20:35] <red-raven> cewl.
[20:36] <red-raven> wiping the HD leaves the BIOS intact because its built into the motherboard right?
[20:37] <wyhteagle> red-raven right
[20:37] <red-raven> alright then. everything is wiped. that was really fast.
[20:37] <aveilleux> red-raven: Well, yes. The drive itself isn't *really* wiped; the data is still there. The space was just de-allocated, though.
[20:38] <aveilleux> red-raven: If you want to really wipe the drive, tell the Windows XP install disc to format as NTFS (but NOT the quick option)
[20:38] <red-raven> ok got it. booting from XP disk now.
[20:39] <red-raven> so the data is all jumbled up?
[20:39] <aveilleux> red-raven: Random garbage is written to the disk. So there's no coherent data on the "free space" on the disk.
[20:40] <aveilleux> ....man, I think I run WIndows too efficiently.
[20:40] <red-raven> meaning?
[20:40] <aveilleux> It's been three months since I ran CCleaner, and it only removed 145 MB.
[20:40] <aveilleux> (CCleaner removes temp files and other garbage that can collect over time)
[20:41] <red-raven> ....wow. *switches it on* BLUE SCREEN OF DEATHHHHH!
[20:42] <aveilleux> Yes, Windows uses white text on a blue screen for installation.
[20:42] <aveilleux> Windows XP, anyway.
[20:43] <red-raven> ok so i have just the one unallocated partiton thing now. do i: set up windows XP, Create a partiton in an unpartitioned space, or delete the partiton? idk if the last one would wipe it.
[20:44] <aveilleux> red-raven: ...you shouldn't have any partitions at all... Unpartitioned space is the lack of a partition, not an unallocated partition.
[20:44] <aveilleux> red-raven: Did you, perhaps, not hit "apply" in GParted?
[20:44] <red-raven> well, thats what i meant.
[20:44] <red-raven> no it is all unallocated. ignore that.
[20:45] <aveilleux> red-raven: Allocate as much space as you can into one huge NTFS partition, then tell it to do the slow format.
[20:45] <aveilleux> red-raven: Then go make lunch or something, you'll be there a while.
[20:45] <red-raven> so which do i press then, create partition in unpartitioned space?
[20:45] <aveilleux> red-raven: yes
[20:45] <red-raven> (its all unalocated)
[20:46] <red-raven> ok thx.
[20:47] <nit-wit> red-raven, are you installing the XP?
[20:47] <red-raven> why is there still 8 MB that cant go into the new partiton? sorry for all the seemingly unrelated questions. i just like to know as much as i can for learning purposes.
[20:47] <red-raven> yes.
[20:47] <nit-wit> red-raven, viva XP
[20:48] <red-raven> best OS they made. 7 might be better though.
[20:48] <aveilleux> ugh
[20:48] <aveilleux> XP is awful
[20:49] <red-raven> um, Vista?
[20:49] <aveilleux> After SP1 it's pretty damn fantastic,
[20:49] <aveilleux> .
[20:49] <red-raven> anyways, whats with the 8 MB?
[20:49] <nit-wit> red-raven, what was the linux you wanted on there?
[20:49] <red-raven> yah if your system isn't too cripled to DL the SPI.....
[20:49] <aveilleux> You can't allocate the last 8MB because NTFS likes to round to the nearest cylinder. Chances are, your hard drive isn't *exactly* whatever size, so it has a tiny bit of overflow.
[20:50] <aveilleux> red-raven: Then... install it with SP1? I really don't see the issue here.
[20:50] <red-raven> standered Ubuntu. then maybe some environments. why?
[20:50] <red-raven> @nit-wit btw
[20:50] <aveilleux> red-raven: Vista wasn't exactly cripp'ed before SP1; SP1 just fixed a lot of the problems. Did you /use/ it?
[20:51] <wyhteagle> aveilleux, the word "Vista" should be banned from this IRC
[20:51] <nit-wit> red-raven the one you mentioned I firget the name I could,t get installed in a virtual and was grub-legacy
[20:51] <wyhteagle> It should kick you everytime you say it
[20:51] <aveilleux> Why?
[20:51] <wyhteagle> aveilleux, Has a Helpdesk guy I have a personal Hate for Vista
[20:51] <red-raven> know people who did. both really good tech's. one even tried to put Linux on his. Vista botched it.
[20:52] <aveilleux> How did Vista botch anything? OSs can't affect each other.
[20:52] <aveilleux> That's really not how it works.
[20:52] <nit-wit> aveilleux, that sp1 should upgrade all the way to sp3 is this correct
[20:52] <wyhteagle> red-raven, Ya Vista wouldn't Botch a Linux install
[20:52] <aveilleux> wyhteagle: Methinks you should try it out instead of just complaining about it, hmm?
[20:53] <aveilleux> am I like the only person ever who used Vista?
[20:53] <red-raven> IDK how, i didnt get details. i will next time.
[20:53] <nit-wit> wyhteagle, your just not being specific here any OS can botch another if the user is not familiar
[20:53] <red-raven> in this IRC? probably.
[20:53] <wyhteagle> aveilleux, I personally used Vista for about a year. I didn't Mind using it but I know what I'm doing. Supporting it though was a nightmare
[20:54] <aveilleux> red-raven: They might have used Wubi, but Wubi is an awful system
[20:54] <wyhteagle> nit-wit, Agreed sorry I'll be better with my wording
[20:54] <aveilleux> wyhteagle: Supporting it? "Click the Start menu. Type <Control Panel Applet here>. Click. Be happy."
[20:55] <nit-wit> wyhteagle, it is easy to misinterpret something and use that as a methodology when it may be flwed in design and perception no big deal.:)
[20:55] <red-raven> the same guy i mentioned, his rig couldn't even watch netflicks. shut down at the same point in the movie. also it couldn't handle rendering a simple video.
[20:55] <aveilleux> wyhteagle: Unless these people were masochists and left UAC turned on.
[20:55] <red-raven> ....how are we discussing this here? its the ubuntu beginner forum.
[20:56] <wyhteagle> aveilleux, Most did but the biggest issues were in Proformance and Printers
[20:56] <aveilleux> wyhteagle: That's on the hardware manufacturers, not Microsoft.
[20:56] <nit-wit> aveilleux, try sayng that on the ##windos channel the UAC is the safety of the OS to them by and large, in the root and all lol
[20:56] <red-raven> UAC?
[20:56] <aveilleux> nit-wit: Well then they're ninnies.
[20:56] <wyhteagle> nit-wit, <shivers at the thought>
[20:57] <nit-wit> aveilleux, I tried to give them a better ideal but they know everything.
[20:57] <wyhteagle> At least in Win 7 they made turning UAC off that much easier
[20:57] <aveilleux> wyhteagle: Just like the BSOD. Windows itself almost never bluescreens (and Vista actually has driver crash recovery so it doesn't matter) and it's usually a faulty driver.
[20:57] <aveilleux> wyhteagle: It... was a button in Vista. "Click here to turn off UAC."
[20:58] <nit-wit> I leave it on in W7 the I can't run a root process without it in a limited acont unless I missed something
[20:58] <wyhteagle> aveilleux, Yes but it was hidden in a tiny control Users portion and required a restart to accually do anything.
[20:58] <aveilleux> wyhteagle: It was in the sidebar of the default Users control applet.
[20:59] <wyhteagle> aveilleux, When I took my 76-680 test the big portion was on UAC. and theory was to just it off
[20:59] <nit-wit> red-raven, UAC is that opo-up protector that asks you are you sure you want to runn this
[20:59] <nit-wit> *popup
[20:59] <red-raven> just skimed the wiki article. that what the apple comercials were pointing out wasn't it?
[20:59] <wyhteagle> aveilleux, Yes I'm being a little sarcastic because I really didn't like Vista
[21:00] <aveilleux> wyhteagle: I don't know what that is, but I don't really care either. UAC isn't that uge of a deal, just to shut it off. It's really obvious and there are like six ways to do it.
[21:00] <aveilleux> huge*
[21:00] <wyhteagle> aveilleux, Agreed.
[21:00] <aveilleux> wyhteagle: I managed to get through the MCAS for Windows Vista without encountering any questions about UAC, so apparently Microsoft itself doesn't deem it important enough to teach about.
[21:02] <red-raven> hey whats up with FF? some of the text is either on another language or a freakish font.
[21:02] <wyhteagle> aveilleux, Weird because both the Vista, configuring and the win 7, configuring certs had alot of questions related to it. 70-685 was big into it also
[21:03] <nit-wit> red-raven, is the different language from a google search
[21:03] <red-raven> oh Mcast? ive taken it for MS Power point 2007.
[21:03] <red-raven> yah i think so.
[21:03] <aveilleux> wyhteagle: UAC is a terrible piece of software and the only thing anyone should ever know about it is "turn it off".
[21:04] <nit-wit> red-raven, if google doesn't have english or your native language set it will bring up others
[21:04] <wyhteagle> aveilleux, LOL I won't argue that
[21:04] <red-raven> oh ok. how do i do that? i can't read it.
[21:09] <red-raven> NVM found it. it was a link of some sorts on the home page but it changed it permenantly.
[21:11] <nit-wit> red-raven, are you asking how do you set the google search?
[21:11] <red-raven> yah and i found it.
[21:12] <nit-wit> red-raven, cool I have my google set to search via https
[21:13] <red-raven> why?
[21:13] <nit-wit> red-raven, it is a encrypted search https://encrypted.google.com/webhp?hl=en
[21:14] <nit-wit> red-raven, this is it set to english
[21:14] <red-raven> so whats it for besides no history?
[21:14] <nit-wit> red-raven, the geekiness I guess,
[21:15] <red-raven> oh so thats really it?
[21:15] <nit-wit> red-raven, I have FF set to never rember anything and a few choice addons blocking stuff to begin with
[21:16] <red-raven> oh ok.  btw XP is almost done. feels like fankinstien, except im using the original parts.
[21:16] <nit-wit> red-raven, funny thing is though even though my browser has a small footprint it is unique overall so it stands out
[21:17] <red-raven> visually?
[21:17] <nit-wit> red-raven, no with a site that does browser scanning and comparison with others that run the comparison forget the site name
[21:18] <nit-wit> red-raven, xp the frankenputer
[21:19] <wyhteagle> afk
[21:19] <red-raven> nit-wit what do yo u mean comparison? of what?
[21:20] <nit-wit> red-raven, this site looks at the browser and the fingerprint so to speak and compres it with others that people run.
[21:20] <nit-wit> *compares
[21:20] <red-raven> for what purpose?
[21:21] <nit-wit> red-raven, some of us want a small fingerprint and as much privacy and safety as possible
[21:21] <aveilleux> red-raven: statistics
[21:22] <nit-wit> aveilleux, do you remember or know the site?
[21:22] <red-raven> ok oh so just for fyn then. how does it give a small footprint?';
[21:22] <red-raven> fun*
[21:23] <nit-wit> red-raven, I have cookie blockers flash blockers adblockers, basically less information is gathered about me in general.
[21:24] <nit-wit> red-raven, I also do't have to see any adds
[21:24] <nit-wit> *don't
[21:24] <red-raven> oh. ill have to get those sometime. are most of them FF add-ons?
[21:25] <nit-wit> red-raven, I'm talking about FF but chromium has some to as well as opera
[21:25] <aveilleux> red-raven: Opera has content blocking built-in, as well as some moderately-useful script and cookie blocking plugins
[21:26] <nit-wit> red-raven, really on a windows set up noscript is the first defense it is a FF addon
[21:26] <nit-wit> aveilleux, yeah and youcan add the fanboys list in opera as well
[21:26] <nit-wit> the weak link is always the user though
[21:27] <aveilleux> nit-wit: Beg pardon?
[21:27] <red-raven> whats the fanboy list?
[21:27] <nit-wit> aveilleux, to what
[21:27] <red-raven> its alive! never thought i'd see it up again.
[21:28] <aveilleux> nit-wit: The sentence you directed toward me. What is the "fanboys list"?
[21:28] <nit-wit> red-raven, fan boy is part of the FF addon addblock a choice of blocking for adds
[21:28] <nit-wit> aveilleux, I wil l post it hold on
[21:29] <nit-wit> here is the fanboy link.  http://www.fanboy.co.nz/adblock/opera/
[21:29] <red-raven> cool. can't get many for the windows FF because its beta 4, but ill definatly put it on Linux.
[21:29] <nit-wit> red-raven, I have FF 3,6,13 and four runing
[21:30] <red-raven> ....why?
[21:30] <nit-wit> red-raven, basically the addons work in 3.6 and I want them, ff4 for watching it develop
[21:31] <aveilleux> red-raven: He means 3.6.13. Commas are used in place of the decimal point outside North America
[21:31] <nit-wit> aveilleux, I'm just a bad typer.
[21:31] <aveilleux> Or that.
[21:31] <red-raven> oh lol.
[21:32] <nit-wit> red-raven, I will try to get that together, I use a netbook with 90% key size that is my excuse and I'm sticking with it :)
[21:33] <nit-wit> aveilleux, do you see the fanboy's list
[21:34] <aveilleux> nit-wit: Yes, it's similar to a list I keep locally
[21:34] <red-raven> lol. man XP is taking forever. one flood bar after another.
[21:34] <red-raven> so you guys check if-y sites against it?
[21:34] <nit-wit> aveilleux, I like opera but hardly use it.
[21:36] <aveilleux> red-raven: No, I use Norton DNS to protect against blacklisted sites and I use Opera's content blocker to block ads and other URLs.
[21:36] <nit-wit> I use it to get to the College web sign in, FF with noscript has to have the abe boundaries off to get in a hassle really
[21:37] <red-raven> why does Kubuntu have its own blue symbol? or do all the ubuntu environments have their own version?
[21:38] <aveilleux> red-raven: All the official variations have their own logo.
[21:38] <red-raven> oh ok thx. sorry for all the random questions. i just like to know as much as possible.
[21:39] <red-raven> like is this one of those partial installs you warned me about? http://imagebin.org/131173
[21:40] <aveilleux> red-raven: No
[21:40] <aveilleux> red-raven: You're thinking of a "partial upgrade", which won't happen to you since you're not upgrading Ubuntu
[21:41] <red-raven> what are they used for? to get 10.10 to 10.04 or something?
[21:42] <aveilleux> red-raven: It's when an upgrade from one version to another (ex. 10.04 to 10.10) fails for some reason or another, but not catastrophically
[21:42] <nit-wit> red-raven, your looking at a in the same OS upgrade and it would tell if it was partial, sometimes it happens in the development part of a OS before release, or on a upgrade to the next OS like Lucid to Mavrick
[21:42] <aveilleux> brbreboot
[21:44] <red-raven> oh thx. Xp is done. time for linux.
[21:59] <nit-wit> red-raven, so I would say make sure that the Linux is using grub2 unless you know about adding to the grub-legacy menu.list.
[22:00] <red-raven> ok. how? or do i need to install it to know?
[22:01] <aveilleux> red-raven: If you're using anything after 9.04 you're already using GRUB2
[22:01] <red-raven> ok its 10.10 so im good.
[22:02] <red-raven> how am i able to connect to the internet? i have a wireless antena in the back of the rig but the drivers for it must have been wiped. but its still working. just how many drivers does ubuntu have buit-in?
[22:02] <aveilleux> red-raven: Many
[22:03] <aveilleux> red-raven: Linux doesn't use Windows drivers anyway
[22:04] <red-raven> oh ok that makes sense. so if it didm't have the drivers built-in i'd be toast? unless i USB'd the drivers over.
[22:04] <aveilleux> red-raven: Does it not have an ethernet port?
[22:04] <red-raven> or right.
[22:04] <red-raven> oh*
[22:04] <nit-wit> red-raven, you wanted some slak variation before that was grub-legacy that is why I mentioned it
[22:05] <nit-wit> aveilleux, this computer has 512 ram I believe
[22:06] <aveilleux> nit-wit: *blinkblink* Erm, okay?
[22:06] <red-raven> it does. so do i need legacy or is grub2 ok for slimer footprints?
[22:07] <nit-wit> aveilleux, red-raven was lookng for lighter setup originally that is what i meant.Ubuntu will run a litle slower but will run at 512.
[22:07] <red-raven> ive already noticed significant lag in this machine.
[22:07] <aveilleux> red-raven: It makes no difference, the bootloader doesn't impact the OS performance.
[22:08] <red-raven> compared to my laptop anyways, which while running Ubuntu hasn't paused once.
[22:09] <nit-wit> aveilleux, but the user should know the depth of the mud there stepping into, before stepping in.
[22:09] <red-raven> i know. im wondering if i can get other (slimer) environments with grub2, or if i need legancy.
[22:09] <red-raven> legacy*
[22:09] <red-raven> what mud?
[22:10] <nit-wit> red-raven, mud is a metaphor for a little more work needed
[22:10] <nit-wit> maybe
[22:10] <red-raven> i know. whats the work?
[22:11] <red-raven> getting grub-legacy, or the slower RAM?
[22:11] <nit-wit> red-raven, grub-legacy generally has to have a file modified to see other OS. Grub2 does it automatically.
[22:12] <nit-wit> red-raven, ram=speed
[22:12] <red-raven> i know. thats what i meant.
[22:12] <nit-wit> red-raven, grub-legacy is no big deal I just want you prepared since your a new user.:)
[22:14] <red-raven> so do i need legacy for other environments? or does it depend on the environment?
[22:14] <nit-wit> red-raven, some OS come with grub-legacy and can be upgraded to grub2
[22:15] <red-raven> why not just make it come with grub2
[22:15] <red-raven> ?*
[22:15] <aveilleux> red-raven: Out of date
[22:15] <steemed> Very out of date
[22:15] <nit-wit> red-raven, most open source will run with grub-leagacy or grub2. Personnaly I like gru2 as it is a auot find=os-prober of the other OS's on the HD
[22:16] <nit-wit> steemed, arch doesn't seem to think so
[22:16] <steemed> nit-wit, They don't have grub2?
[22:16] <nit-wit> many geeky OS still run grub-legacy
[22:16] <steemed> As in lightweight
[22:17] <nit-wit> steemed, nope I think you can upgrade it though
[22:17] <red-raven> oh ok. well aren't all the ubuntu environments up-to-date?
[22:17] <steemed> Yes
[22:17] <nit-wit> red-raven, from the ones metioned and beyond
[22:17] <nit-wit> *mentioned.
[22:17] <red-raven> ok well then they would all have grub 2?
[22:18] <steemed> Most desktop OS use grub 2
[22:18] <red-raven> and you can only get ubuntu environments on an ubuntu install?
[22:19] <aveilleux> red-raven: What? The only "ubuntu environment" is Unity, which is made by Canonical
[22:19] <nit-wit> steemed, be careful here as that isn't necessarily true, and creates a false information system with a user not hip to this stuff
[22:19] <steemed> aveilleux, not yet
[22:19] <red-raven> xubuntu?
[22:19] <red-raven> BRB
[22:20] <steemed> Xubuntu is a XFCE environment
[22:20] <steemed> Kubuntu is KDE 4.?
[22:20] <nit-wit> steemed, red-raven is like 4-5 days into Linux we have to be careful with broad statements here I think
[22:20] <steemed> nit-wit, why did he come?
[22:21] <steemed> aveilleux, Unity is only used on Ubuntu netbook
[22:21] <steemed> Oh wait
[22:21] <steemed> You're correct in ownership
[22:21] <steemed> Duh XD
[22:21] <aveilleux> steemed: Not for much longer.
[22:21] <nit-wit> steemed, you will have to ask them.:) the thrill I suspect of more control probably.
[22:21] <steemed> I came for security and Formula One speed
[22:22] <steemed> Alllll riiiiiiggghhht
[22:22] <steemed>  ;)
[22:22] <nit-wit> steemed, unity is the default for natty
[22:22] <steemed> Yep
[22:22] <steemed> I know
[22:22]  * steemed makes note of his old cloak
[22:22] <steemed> /ubuntu/member :)
[22:22] <nit-wit> I never liked grub-legacy I always upgrade to grub2 when I can if needed
[22:22] <steemed> Used to be a big member
[22:22] <steemed> Not anymore; bus
[22:23] <steemed> busy
[22:47] <red-raven> I came for fun. thought it would be cool to put a new OS on my rig, and i would learn a lot, and i certainly have/
[22:47] <red-raven> .*
[22:49] <red-raven> nit-wit, about the environments. can you DL any Linux environment onto Ubuntu, or just ones like X,L,K,ubuntu etc?
[22:50] <nit-wit> red-raven, do you mean desktops that will run in Ubuntu?
[22:51] <red-raven> yes.
[22:51] <aveilleux> red-raven: XFCE, LXDE, KDE, GNOME, Black/Flux/Openbox
[22:51] <nit-wit> aveilleux, thanks those are the ones
[22:51] <aveilleux> red-raven: There are so many more
[22:51] <red-raven> so can any go onto ubuntu? or just certain ones?
[22:52] <aveilleux> red-raven: Most of them are available in the repos, all of them will compile and run
[22:52] <nit-wit> red-raven, you can install as many as you want although they will overlap into each other. You can choose which one at the login scree
[22:53] <nit-wit> *screen
[22:53] <red-raven> overlap?
[22:54] <nit-wit> red-raven, you will see programs from the other desktop that are not part of just a single desktops setup
[22:54] <nit-wit> red-raven, but you can also totally remove any one of them and install another
[22:55] <red-raven> if i remove one will the overlaped files go away?
[22:55] <nit-wit> red-raven, if done correctly yes
[22:56] <nit-wit> red-raven, more like overlapped programs just extra stuff it can get a bit confusing so be careful.
[22:56] <red-raven> ok awesome. well im at the partitioning screen for installing ubuntu on the XP. it shows one partition at 79990 MB with 3231 MB used. what do i shrink it to?
[22:57] <jabumbo> i am having trouble installing version 10.10
[22:57] <nit-wit> red-raven, you probably wont break it by just adding stuff=desktops, but if your not familiar with what each one offers in its stand alone stae it can get confusing
[22:57] <jabumbo> it says it can not mount /dev/loop0
[22:57] <nit-wit> *state
[22:58] <nit-wit> jabumbo, are you trying alooped ISO install?
[22:58] <red-raven> ok tnx.
[22:58] <red-raven> h*
[22:59] <jabumbo> trying on a newly built PC
[22:59] <nit-wit> red-raven, here is a great link in the lower lest panel you will see playing around this gives a little bit of insight. The site is great overall. http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index
[23:02] <jabumbo> would it be easier to install windows first?
[23:02] <aveilleux> jabumbo: To do a dual-boot? Yes, always install Windows first/
[23:03] <nit-wit> jabumbo, what is your final goal here, and  agree with the windows first if you have a choice
[23:04] <jabumbo> the new PC is for gaming and backup
[23:04] <jabumbo> so the laptop isn't so bogged down
[23:04] <jabumbo> the HDD was used as backup storage externally until now
[23:05] <nit-wit> jabumbo, I meant what operating systems do you want in the end
[23:06] <jabumbo> i've never been a big fan of all the junk windows comes with, so i was hoping to get away from it
[23:07] <jabumbo> i won't install it at all if i am still able to run all of the games without it
[23:07] <jabumbo> windows, that is
[23:15] <nit-wit> jabumbo, do you need help?
[23:15] <jabumbo> yes, my disk doesn't seem to want to install
[23:16] <nit-wit> jabumbo, can you tell what operating systems you want to at least be set up to tweak or remove later if not wanted or needed.
[23:17] <jabumbo> just looking to start with ubuntu v10.10 and windows xp if needed
[23:18] <nit-wit> jabumbo, install the XP first can you boot that disc
[23:19] <jabumbo> yes, it will boot.  i was just hoping to avoid the reformat that it requires
[23:19] <nit-wit> jabumbo, reformat?
[23:20] <jabumbo> the XP disk told me that i had to partition/reformat the HDD for installation
[23:20] <nit-wit> jabumbo, so will any install
[23:20] <jabumbo> not without a reformat
[23:20] <aveilleux> jabumbo: In order to install an operating system you must reformat the system
[23:21] <aveilleux> jabumbo: Or, do you mean taking an existing install and installing Ubuntu alongside it?
[23:21] <jabumbo> i have nothing installed as of right now
[23:21] <aveilleux> jabumbo: Then yes, you must format the system. Why do you not want to?
[23:22] <jabumbo> the HDD has backup files
[23:23] <nit-wit> jabumbo, can you take a screen shot of whatever partitioner you have that can read that HD
[23:24] <red-raven> hey thanks for the link nit-wit. just got one more question and then ill leave you guys alone (anyone can answere here) what do i shrink the HD down to, and how do i do this with gparted (i think i just click new partition table)? its got 79990 MB (80GB) with 3231 MB used.
[23:24] <jabumbo> not without pulling the PC apart!
[23:24] <aveilleux> jabumbo: What? Partitioners are software
[23:24] <red-raven> ...you cant get a screen shot by pulling the pc apart....
[23:25] <nit-wit> red-raven, so you have XP installed and you want to dual boot right
[23:25] <aveilleux> red-raven: You can use the utility "GParted" to shrink the partitions down
[23:25] <jabumbo> the only thing that loads on the PC is the boot screen and then error messages
[23:25] <aveilleux> jabumbo: That data is on the disk?
[23:25] <red-raven> yes. how much do i shrink it by though.
[23:25] <aveilleux> red-raven: Enough to let you have room for files?
[23:26] <nit-wit> jabumbo, do you have a bootable partitioner like a gparted disc. You see to get advice we really need to be sure you kno2w what your doing, or know what is there to advise you safely.
[23:27] <red-raven> so then probably more for linux. ill get a GB/MB converter up and pick myself then. thx!
[23:27] <aveilleux> jabumbo: I meant, "what data is on the disk"
[23:27] <nit-wit> red-raven, just be surer to reboot to XP after shrinking before doing the install, to make sure it runs the auto-chkdsk if needed and boots
[23:27] <nit-wit> *sure
[23:28] <jabumbo> the disks that i have are the 2 for the OS's and one for the motherboard
[23:29] <jabumbo> the data on the disk is just standard files.  nothing vital, just things i would rather not have to replicate
[23:29] <aveilleux> jabumbo: That makes no sense. Hard drives do not contain the motherboard.
[23:31] <aveilleux> ...well then
[23:31] <red-raven> yah i was  thinking  the same thing.....
[23:31] <aveilleux> I think he has his terms royally mixed up
[23:31] <red-raven> screen shot.
[23:38] <ShootEmUp> Hello Everyone!
[23:42] <sogepp> anybody here working with gimp?
[23:43] <aveilleux> sogepp: I do semi-regularly. What's up?
[23:44] <sogepp> can you tell me any webs that teach about gimp, execpt gimp.org
[23:44] <aveilleux> sogepp: I like this place: http://gimp-tutorials.net/
[23:44] <sogepp> ok, thx