[00:05] 34%......wow....... [00:05] cani edit and delete partitions from the XP install disk holstein? [00:39] holstein you still there? [00:45] hmm [00:49] shawn146: i was napping L) [00:49] :) * [00:49] im back now [00:50] Red-raven: you can edit partitions that xp reads and writes [00:50] fat and ntfs [00:50] well, you can delete others [00:50] Can someone please explain the difference between Xubuntu & xfce. I know that xfce is the desktop environment which Xubuntu uses. But what separates Xubuntu from just xfce? [00:51] johnny77: imagine you want to make a linux distro [00:51] and you want to use XFCE for the DE [00:51] johnny77: different default applications [00:51] whatever other choices you want to make [00:51] file manager [00:51] mediaplayer [00:51] those kind of packages and others [00:52] thats what xubuntu is [00:53] the xubuntu team would make those choices [00:53] default apps, theme, wallpaper, whatever else [00:54] brb, sorry grabbing a bite to eat. [00:59] eighty....one.....%.....keep......crawling.... [01:04] ok i am setting up justin.tv [01:10] here we go [01:10] http://www.justin.tv/shawn146 [01:12] to holstein [01:12] and anybody else who would like to help [01:16] If I like the packages that came with Ubuntu, but want a light weight DE, then I should install xfce instead of Xubuntu. [01:17] johnny77: check out lxde [01:17] there are metapackages too [01:17] xubuntu-desktop lubuntu-desktop... etc [01:17] lxde is one of those you can just install though [01:18] sudo apt-get install lxde [01:18] and usually just works [01:18] hmm [01:18] anyone on me channel yet? [01:18] http://www.justin.tv/shawn146 [01:19] shawn146: im trying to find a browser that "likes" it [01:19] oh lol [01:20] holstein: I originally installed Ubuntu, then added Xubuntu, Lubuntu and Kubuntu. Kubuntu too much for my netbook; Lubuntu too little options. I liked Xubuntu, but cleaned them all off to have a cleaner system. [01:21] holstein: now I'm trying to decide if I want to install Xubuntu or would just installing the xfce DE be enough to get what I wanted. [01:21] shawn146: midori seems to like it OK [01:21] midori? [01:21] i blame flash though [01:22] midori browser [01:22] johnny77: if you're wanting something light [01:22] check out lxde [01:22] its been argued that xubuntu has become about as heavy as the gnomre verion [01:22] gnome* [01:22] i personally dont think its that extreme [01:23] BUT i find lxde lighter [01:24] 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [01:24] can you see it holstein? [01:24] shawn146: yup [01:24] oh you left [01:24] holstein: are you familiar with lxde? When I tried it, it seemed as if there where not as many options about panels, menu etc. [01:24] i see one person on my channe;l [01:24] shawn146: well, i could... [01:24] myself o.o [01:25] yeah [01:25] im back [01:25] ? [01:25] try talking in the channel [01:25] they want me to register [01:29] you there holstein [01:29] yea its free tor egister [01:29] you can actually type [01:29] i created one [01:30] to type in other channels lol , and broadcast [01:30] hello all [01:31] hi [01:31] shawn146: i'll look into it in a bit... i gotta run for a while... BBL [01:31] hi [01:32] oh [01:32] ... [01:32] seems i did all this for nothing [01:33] Why is the flightgear in synaptic version 1.9.1? [01:33] and not 2.0.0/ [01:33] *? [01:34] 2.2.0 is coming out soon as well [02:05] hello [02:06] If I wanted to install just the xfce DE and not the full Xubuntu, can I do that out of the repositories or do I need to download. [02:21] I'm having trouble using tasksel to add audio and graphics suites [02:27] Hey the ISO is done. how do i burn it again? [02:27]
can your make a boot disk with a scan disk drive and if so how? [02:27]
you [02:27] scan disk? [02:28]
right click on it and burn to disk [02:28] whats a scan disk? [02:28]
yeah a mirco scan disk card [02:28] sandisk [02:28] ? [02:28] sandisk. thought so. [02:28]
their like usb flash drives with out the sub [02:28]
usb [02:29] like a memory chip? [02:29]
yeah [02:29]
out of disks [02:29] sd card? [02:29]
yeah [02:29] probably just like making a liveUSB I'd imagine [02:29] if your BIOS had the option the boot from that port, i think so. but it probably can't. [02:29]
never done that before [02:30] yeah, MAKING it isn't necessarily the issue, USING it would be [02:30] are you using ubuntu now BR ? [02:30]
yes [02:30] go to system > administration > startup disk creator [02:30] or something like that [02:31] and you can choose the iso and make a liveUSB (or sd probably) [02:31]
ok thats [02:31]
thanks [02:31] hey what do i do to burn a disk with the ISO again? [02:31] Red-raven: are you in ubuntu? [02:33] win7 [02:34] ah, ok [02:34] do you have a cd burning software? other than a media player? [02:34] if not, download imgburn, it's free [02:35] yah win7 had it built in. [02:35] ah, ok [02:35] you just need to do a "burn as image" or something like that [02:35] otherwise it'll just put the file on the disk and it won't be bootable [02:36]
its not working [02:36] BR: do you not have a usb drive? [02:36]
no just sd card [02:37] no cd's? [02:37]
nope [02:39] burning it now. this is the only thing that makes my rig run hot. [02:40] BR: it *should* be doable to put it on the sd card properly [02:40] what isn't working? what message are you getting? not working is pretty generic [02:41]
the startup creater will not let me do it [02:42] in what regard? [02:44]
i pick the drive and go to pick the iso and doesnt load and cant make boot [02:45] what version of ubuntu are you using? [02:45]
10.10 [02:46] hmm...ok. what are you using the sd card boot for? [02:47]
not im trying to make one [02:47] ...I'm confused then, so what are you trying to accomplish? [02:50] >> BR> can your make a boot disk with a scan disk drive and if so how? [02:50]
yes [02:51] ok, so? [02:53]
so? [02:55] Burn is done. time to kill XP. [02:59] cya guys tommorow. [04:19] holsein? [04:20] I'll ping him. [04:20] He's away, shawn146; I doubt he'd respond. [04:20] oh [04:21] could you help me with JLime linux? [04:21] with the Jornada 720 [04:24] I wouldn't be able to; I'm just a programmer. [04:24] Sorry. [04:45] does anyone know if they have Trillian for ubuntu and how to find out and or install it?? [04:45] Roydaman2: Pidgin, and Empathy both are the linux alternatives to Trillian [04:46] ok i cannot get empathy to work with facebook [04:46] and Trillian is windows only software [04:46] Roydaman2: Try pidgin [04:46] !pidgin | Roydaman2 [04:46] Roydaman2: The Instant Messenger Client Pidgin (formerly Gaim) (http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Pidgin) supports MSN, XMPP (Jabber, GTalk and variants), AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ, YIM, IRC and others. See also !Kopete [04:46] o i had it on my ipod i didnt know they have it for win [04:47] Roydaman2: Pidgin has a plugin for Facebook chat. If not, Empathy has it pre-installed. [04:47] Roydaman2: JackyAlcine is correct :) [04:48] ok i got pidgin how would i go about gettin the plugin? [04:48] well its in the repos [04:48] sudo apt-get install pidigin-facebookchat [04:48] I think [04:49] Yup, right on the nail, Flare183 [04:49] Use Software Center. [04:49] Awesome [04:49] and show the hidden items. [04:49] That works too ^^ [04:49] it's a little package. [04:49] lol, it's a bit easier than Synaptic. [04:49] Lol Yes indeed [04:49] ok thank you guys much [04:50] Its no problem at all [04:52] Have fun, Roydaman2 [05:58] hmm [05:58] back [05:58] lol, this time on virtual pc lol [06:00] holstein is afk -_- [06:01] afk? [06:01] you don't know what that means? [06:02] nope [06:02] JackyAlcine: Away From Keyboard [06:02] ohhh [06:02] kkay [06:02] international meaning lol [06:02] and maybe universal [07:04] hmm [07:05] whats the delete command for terminal? [07:05] shawn156: rm [07:05] oh wow [07:09] how do i reformat ext2? [07:09] in terminal [07:30] idk the reformat command === head_v is now known as head_victim [07:44] shawn156: read the info at 'man mkfs.ext2' [07:46] oh [07:46] very helpfull.... [07:48] shawn156: read well :) [07:49] -_- [07:50] this is getting to stressfull [07:51] although i just wanted linux on my Jornada 720, to play duke nukem 3d and such [09:25] what's up channel [09:43] a cloud filled sky full of snow === akshat_ is now known as akshatj [11:44] Hello. [11:45] hi Silver_Fox_ (: [11:48] does anyone know how I can change the speed of my side-scroll button on my mouse? [11:50] Hello Puck` [11:50] how are you Silver_Fox_ ? [11:51] Timo_, System>Preferences>Mouse [11:51] Offhand, not booted into Ubuntu at the moment [11:51] Timo_: I never owned a mouse with a side scrolelr .. [11:51] I am fine thank you Puck` . how are you ? [11:53] Silver_Fox_: enjoying '11 (: [11:53] and looking at the new drupal 7 release === sresu_ is now known as sresu === sresu_ is now known as sresu === vipul is now known as Bipul` === yofel_ is now known as yofel === sresu is now known as sre-su [15:40] I canno't type '@' in ubuntu, does anyone have a solution for this? The problem only applies when I have my "fglrx" graphics driver. I have a HD 5870. === sresu is now known as sre-su [20:02] hi all [20:07] Hello evfool [20:14] hey. [20:15] hello red-raven [20:16] hey red-raven [20:16] sup guys? im rehabilitating this old XO desktop. [20:16] XP* [20:17] Congrats! [20:20] im excited. second install. dual-boot ubuntu 10.10 and XP. it will be my new guinea pig machine. [20:21] can anyone help me out with partitions? [20:23] red-raven: Ubuntu can automatically repartition for you. [20:25] yah but thats not exactly what i need. see, this desktop is virus-riden, so i need to do a full wipe of the HD. im doing that from Gparted on a Live CD. then i need to resize the blank HD. aftter that ill take the CD out, reinstall XP, then install ubuntu. or can it do that? [20:26] That easiest thing to do it just delete the partition. [20:26] Install XP using entire disk [20:26] red-raven: Erm, just delete the Windows partition in GParted [20:26] than install ubuntu [20:26] wyhteagle +1 [20:27] but why dont i just delete and repartition in the Live CD, and then i wont have to do it from the XP disk? [20:27] red-raven: Because it's unnecessary [20:28] but what does it matter which disk i partition from? [20:28] red-raven: It's much easier to just delete the partition in GParted, then wipe the disk using the Windows disk, then let Ubuntu automatically resize. It's all done for you. [20:28] red-raven: we're just giveing you the easiest option. [20:30] ok. so gparted is open. seems like its got 3 partitions and one unallocated. how do i tell the max partitions again? [20:30] red-raven: What do you mean by that? Using logical partitions, one can theoretically have an unlimited number of partitions. [20:31] theres a restore partition, Dellutitlity, and an NTFS that i assume has windows on it. [20:31] just wondering how many normal partitions. [20:31] no reason really. [20:32] hey nit-wit! [20:33] red-raven: Uh, I still don't know what you mean. You can have a maximum of *physical* partitions is something like four partitions, but using logical partitions one can have any number of partitions one wants (space permitting) [20:33] red-raven, hello just got out of my Wednesdays class [20:33] ok cool. [20:33] how was it? [20:33] Red-Raven: just removed all of the partitions if this is a junk computer. [20:33] so just right click delete everything? [20:34] red-raven: Yes [20:34] red-raven, good I have took a course from the Teacher last term this is a womens resistance course [20:34] *taken oops [20:35] cewl. [20:36] wiping the HD leaves the BIOS intact because its built into the motherboard right? [20:37] red-raven right [20:37] alright then. everything is wiped. that was really fast. [20:37] red-raven: Well, yes. The drive itself isn't *really* wiped; the data is still there. The space was just de-allocated, though. [20:38] red-raven: If you want to really wipe the drive, tell the Windows XP install disc to format as NTFS (but NOT the quick option) [20:38] ok got it. booting from XP disk now. [20:39] so the data is all jumbled up? [20:39] red-raven: Random garbage is written to the disk. So there's no coherent data on the "free space" on the disk. [20:40] ....man, I think I run WIndows too efficiently. [20:40] meaning? [20:40] It's been three months since I ran CCleaner, and it only removed 145 MB. [20:40] (CCleaner removes temp files and other garbage that can collect over time) [20:41] ....wow. *switches it on* BLUE SCREEN OF DEATHHHHH! [20:42] Yes, Windows uses white text on a blue screen for installation. [20:42] Windows XP, anyway. [20:43] ok so i have just the one unallocated partiton thing now. do i: set up windows XP, Create a partiton in an unpartitioned space, or delete the partiton? idk if the last one would wipe it. [20:44] red-raven: ...you shouldn't have any partitions at all... Unpartitioned space is the lack of a partition, not an unallocated partition. [20:44] red-raven: Did you, perhaps, not hit "apply" in GParted? [20:44] well, thats what i meant. [20:44] no it is all unallocated. ignore that. [20:45] red-raven: Allocate as much space as you can into one huge NTFS partition, then tell it to do the slow format. [20:45] red-raven: Then go make lunch or something, you'll be there a while. [20:45] so which do i press then, create partition in unpartitioned space? [20:45] red-raven: yes [20:45] (its all unalocated) [20:46] ok thx. [20:47] red-raven, are you installing the XP? [20:47] why is there still 8 MB that cant go into the new partiton? sorry for all the seemingly unrelated questions. i just like to know as much as i can for learning purposes. [20:47] yes. [20:47] red-raven, viva XP [20:48] best OS they made. 7 might be better though. [20:48] ugh [20:48] XP is awful [20:49] um, Vista? [20:49] After SP1 it's pretty damn fantastic, [20:49] . [20:49] anyways, whats with the 8 MB? [20:49] red-raven, what was the linux you wanted on there? [20:49] yah if your system isn't too cripled to DL the SPI..... [20:49] You can't allocate the last 8MB because NTFS likes to round to the nearest cylinder. Chances are, your hard drive isn't *exactly* whatever size, so it has a tiny bit of overflow. [20:50] red-raven: Then... install it with SP1? I really don't see the issue here. [20:50] standered Ubuntu. then maybe some environments. why? [20:50] @nit-wit btw [20:50] red-raven: Vista wasn't exactly cripp'ed before SP1; SP1 just fixed a lot of the problems. Did you /use/ it? [20:51] aveilleux, the word "Vista" should be banned from this IRC [20:51] red-raven the one you mentioned I firget the name I could,t get installed in a virtual and was grub-legacy [20:51] It should kick you everytime you say it [20:51] Why? [20:51] aveilleux, Has a Helpdesk guy I have a personal Hate for Vista [20:51] know people who did. both really good tech's. one even tried to put Linux on his. Vista botched it. [20:52] How did Vista botch anything? OSs can't affect each other. [20:52] That's really not how it works. [20:52] aveilleux, that sp1 should upgrade all the way to sp3 is this correct [20:52] red-raven, Ya Vista wouldn't Botch a Linux install [20:52] wyhteagle: Methinks you should try it out instead of just complaining about it, hmm? [20:53] am I like the only person ever who used Vista? [20:53] IDK how, i didnt get details. i will next time. [20:53] wyhteagle, your just not being specific here any OS can botch another if the user is not familiar [20:53] in this IRC? probably. [20:53] aveilleux, I personally used Vista for about a year. I didn't Mind using it but I know what I'm doing. Supporting it though was a nightmare [20:54] red-raven: They might have used Wubi, but Wubi is an awful system [20:54] nit-wit, Agreed sorry I'll be better with my wording [20:54] wyhteagle: Supporting it? "Click the Start menu. Type . Click. Be happy." [20:55] wyhteagle, it is easy to misinterpret something and use that as a methodology when it may be flwed in design and perception no big deal.:) [20:55] the same guy i mentioned, his rig couldn't even watch netflicks. shut down at the same point in the movie. also it couldn't handle rendering a simple video. [20:55] wyhteagle: Unless these people were masochists and left UAC turned on. [20:55] ....how are we discussing this here? its the ubuntu beginner forum. [20:56] aveilleux, Most did but the biggest issues were in Proformance and Printers [20:56] wyhteagle: That's on the hardware manufacturers, not Microsoft. [20:56] aveilleux, try sayng that on the ##windos channel the UAC is the safety of the OS to them by and large, in the root and all lol [20:56] UAC? [20:56] nit-wit: Well then they're ninnies. [20:56] nit-wit, [20:57] aveilleux, I tried to give them a better ideal but they know everything. [20:57] At least in Win 7 they made turning UAC off that much easier [20:57] wyhteagle: Just like the BSOD. Windows itself almost never bluescreens (and Vista actually has driver crash recovery so it doesn't matter) and it's usually a faulty driver. [20:57] wyhteagle: It... was a button in Vista. "Click here to turn off UAC." [20:58] I leave it on in W7 the I can't run a root process without it in a limited acont unless I missed something [20:58] aveilleux, Yes but it was hidden in a tiny control Users portion and required a restart to accually do anything. [20:58] wyhteagle: It was in the sidebar of the default Users control applet. [20:59] aveilleux, When I took my 76-680 test the big portion was on UAC. and theory was to just it off [20:59] red-raven, UAC is that opo-up protector that asks you are you sure you want to runn this [20:59] *popup [20:59] just skimed the wiki article. that what the apple comercials were pointing out wasn't it? [20:59] aveilleux, Yes I'm being a little sarcastic because I really didn't like Vista [21:00] wyhteagle: I don't know what that is, but I don't really care either. UAC isn't that uge of a deal, just to shut it off. It's really obvious and there are like six ways to do it. [21:00] huge* [21:00] aveilleux, Agreed. [21:00] wyhteagle: I managed to get through the MCAS for Windows Vista without encountering any questions about UAC, so apparently Microsoft itself doesn't deem it important enough to teach about. [21:02] hey whats up with FF? some of the text is either on another language or a freakish font. [21:02] aveilleux, Weird because both the Vista, configuring and the win 7, configuring certs had alot of questions related to it. 70-685 was big into it also [21:03] red-raven, is the different language from a google search [21:03] oh Mcast? ive taken it for MS Power point 2007. [21:03] yah i think so. [21:03] wyhteagle: UAC is a terrible piece of software and the only thing anyone should ever know about it is "turn it off". [21:04] red-raven, if google doesn't have english or your native language set it will bring up others [21:04] aveilleux, LOL I won't argue that [21:04] oh ok. how do i do that? i can't read it. [21:09] NVM found it. it was a link of some sorts on the home page but it changed it permenantly. [21:11] red-raven, are you asking how do you set the google search? [21:11] yah and i found it. [21:12] red-raven, cool I have my google set to search via https [21:13] why? [21:13] red-raven, it is a encrypted search https://encrypted.google.com/webhp?hl=en [21:14] red-raven, this is it set to english [21:14] so whats it for besides no history? [21:14] red-raven, the geekiness I guess, [21:15] oh so thats really it? [21:15] red-raven, I have FF set to never rember anything and a few choice addons blocking stuff to begin with [21:16] oh ok. btw XP is almost done. feels like fankinstien, except im using the original parts. [21:16] red-raven, funny thing is though even though my browser has a small footprint it is unique overall so it stands out [21:17] visually? [21:17] red-raven, no with a site that does browser scanning and comparison with others that run the comparison forget the site name [21:18] red-raven, xp the frankenputer [21:19] afk [21:19] nit-wit what do yo u mean comparison? of what? [21:20] red-raven, this site looks at the browser and the fingerprint so to speak and compres it with others that people run. [21:20] *compares [21:20] for what purpose? [21:21] red-raven, some of us want a small fingerprint and as much privacy and safety as possible [21:21] red-raven: statistics [21:22] aveilleux, do you remember or know the site? [21:22] ok oh so just for fyn then. how does it give a small footprint?'; [21:22] fun* [21:23] red-raven, I have cookie blockers flash blockers adblockers, basically less information is gathered about me in general. [21:24] red-raven, I also do't have to see any adds [21:24] *don't [21:24] oh. ill have to get those sometime. are most of them FF add-ons? [21:25] red-raven, I'm talking about FF but chromium has some to as well as opera [21:25] red-raven: Opera has content blocking built-in, as well as some moderately-useful script and cookie blocking plugins [21:26] red-raven, really on a windows set up noscript is the first defense it is a FF addon [21:26] aveilleux, yeah and youcan add the fanboys list in opera as well [21:26] the weak link is always the user though [21:27] nit-wit: Beg pardon? [21:27] whats the fanboy list? [21:27] aveilleux, to what [21:27] its alive! never thought i'd see it up again. [21:28] nit-wit: The sentence you directed toward me. What is the "fanboys list"? [21:28] red-raven, fan boy is part of the FF addon addblock a choice of blocking for adds [21:28] aveilleux, I wil l post it hold on [21:29] here is the fanboy link. http://www.fanboy.co.nz/adblock/opera/ [21:29] cool. can't get many for the windows FF because its beta 4, but ill definatly put it on Linux. [21:29] red-raven, I have FF 3,6,13 and four runing [21:30] ....why? [21:30] red-raven, basically the addons work in 3.6 and I want them, ff4 for watching it develop [21:31] red-raven: He means 3.6.13. Commas are used in place of the decimal point outside North America [21:31] aveilleux, I'm just a bad typer. [21:31] Or that. [21:31] oh lol. [21:32] red-raven, I will try to get that together, I use a netbook with 90% key size that is my excuse and I'm sticking with it :) [21:33] aveilleux, do you see the fanboy's list [21:34] nit-wit: Yes, it's similar to a list I keep locally [21:34] lol. man XP is taking forever. one flood bar after another. [21:34] so you guys check if-y sites against it? [21:34] aveilleux, I like opera but hardly use it. [21:36] red-raven: No, I use Norton DNS to protect against blacklisted sites and I use Opera's content blocker to block ads and other URLs. [21:36] I use it to get to the College web sign in, FF with noscript has to have the abe boundaries off to get in a hassle really [21:37] why does Kubuntu have its own blue symbol? or do all the ubuntu environments have their own version? [21:38] red-raven: All the official variations have their own logo. [21:38] oh ok thx. sorry for all the random questions. i just like to know as much as possible. [21:39] like is this one of those partial installs you warned me about? http://imagebin.org/131173 [21:40] red-raven: No [21:40] red-raven: You're thinking of a "partial upgrade", which won't happen to you since you're not upgrading Ubuntu [21:41] what are they used for? to get 10.10 to 10.04 or something? [21:42] red-raven: It's when an upgrade from one version to another (ex. 10.04 to 10.10) fails for some reason or another, but not catastrophically [21:42] red-raven, your looking at a in the same OS upgrade and it would tell if it was partial, sometimes it happens in the development part of a OS before release, or on a upgrade to the next OS like Lucid to Mavrick [21:42] brbreboot [21:44] oh thx. Xp is done. time for linux. [21:59] red-raven, so I would say make sure that the Linux is using grub2 unless you know about adding to the grub-legacy menu.list. [22:00] ok. how? or do i need to install it to know? [22:01] red-raven: If you're using anything after 9.04 you're already using GRUB2 [22:01] ok its 10.10 so im good. [22:02] how am i able to connect to the internet? i have a wireless antena in the back of the rig but the drivers for it must have been wiped. but its still working. just how many drivers does ubuntu have buit-in? [22:02] red-raven: Many [22:03] red-raven: Linux doesn't use Windows drivers anyway [22:04] oh ok that makes sense. so if it didm't have the drivers built-in i'd be toast? unless i USB'd the drivers over. [22:04] red-raven: Does it not have an ethernet port? [22:04] or right. [22:04] oh* [22:04] red-raven, you wanted some slak variation before that was grub-legacy that is why I mentioned it [22:05] aveilleux, this computer has 512 ram I believe [22:06] nit-wit: *blinkblink* Erm, okay? [22:06] it does. so do i need legacy or is grub2 ok for slimer footprints? [22:07] aveilleux, red-raven was lookng for lighter setup originally that is what i meant.Ubuntu will run a litle slower but will run at 512. [22:07] ive already noticed significant lag in this machine. [22:07] red-raven: It makes no difference, the bootloader doesn't impact the OS performance. [22:08] compared to my laptop anyways, which while running Ubuntu hasn't paused once. [22:09] aveilleux, but the user should know the depth of the mud there stepping into, before stepping in. [22:09] i know. im wondering if i can get other (slimer) environments with grub2, or if i need legancy. [22:09] legacy* [22:09] what mud? [22:10] red-raven, mud is a metaphor for a little more work needed [22:10] maybe [22:10] i know. whats the work? [22:11] getting grub-legacy, or the slower RAM? [22:11] red-raven, grub-legacy generally has to have a file modified to see other OS. Grub2 does it automatically. [22:12] red-raven, ram=speed [22:12] i know. thats what i meant. [22:12] red-raven, grub-legacy is no big deal I just want you prepared since your a new user.:) [22:14] so do i need legacy for other environments? or does it depend on the environment? [22:14] red-raven, some OS come with grub-legacy and can be upgraded to grub2 [22:15] why not just make it come with grub2 [22:15] ?* [22:15] red-raven: Out of date [22:15] Very out of date [22:15] red-raven, most open source will run with grub-leagacy or grub2. Personnaly I like gru2 as it is a auot find=os-prober of the other OS's on the HD [22:16] steemed, arch doesn't seem to think so [22:16] nit-wit, They don't have grub2? [22:16] many geeky OS still run grub-legacy [22:16] As in lightweight [22:17] steemed, nope I think you can upgrade it though [22:17] oh ok. well aren't all the ubuntu environments up-to-date? [22:17] Yes [22:17] red-raven, from the ones metioned and beyond [22:17] *mentioned. [22:17] ok well then they would all have grub 2? [22:18] Most desktop OS use grub 2 [22:18] and you can only get ubuntu environments on an ubuntu install? [22:19] red-raven: What? The only "ubuntu environment" is Unity, which is made by Canonical [22:19] steemed, be careful here as that isn't necessarily true, and creates a false information system with a user not hip to this stuff [22:19] aveilleux, not yet [22:19] xubuntu? [22:19] BRB [22:20] Xubuntu is a XFCE environment [22:20] Kubuntu is KDE 4.? [22:20] steemed, red-raven is like 4-5 days into Linux we have to be careful with broad statements here I think [22:20] nit-wit, why did he come? [22:21] aveilleux, Unity is only used on Ubuntu netbook [22:21] Oh wait [22:21] You're correct in ownership [22:21] Duh XD [22:21] steemed: Not for much longer. [22:21] steemed, you will have to ask them.:) the thrill I suspect of more control probably. [22:21] I came for security and Formula One speed [22:22] Alllll riiiiiiggghhht [22:22] ;) [22:22] steemed, unity is the default for natty [22:22] Yep [22:22] I know [22:22] * steemed makes note of his old cloak [22:22] /ubuntu/member :) [22:22] I never liked grub-legacy I always upgrade to grub2 when I can if needed [22:22] Used to be a big member [22:22] Not anymore; bus [22:23] busy [22:47] I came for fun. thought it would be cool to put a new OS on my rig, and i would learn a lot, and i certainly have/ [22:47] .* [22:49] nit-wit, about the environments. can you DL any Linux environment onto Ubuntu, or just ones like X,L,K,ubuntu etc? [22:50] red-raven, do you mean desktops that will run in Ubuntu? [22:51] yes. [22:51] red-raven: XFCE, LXDE, KDE, GNOME, Black/Flux/Openbox [22:51] aveilleux, thanks those are the ones [22:51] red-raven: There are so many more [22:51] so can any go onto ubuntu? or just certain ones? [22:52] red-raven: Most of them are available in the repos, all of them will compile and run [22:52] red-raven, you can install as many as you want although they will overlap into each other. You can choose which one at the login scree [22:53] *screen [22:53] overlap? [22:54] red-raven, you will see programs from the other desktop that are not part of just a single desktops setup [22:54] red-raven, but you can also totally remove any one of them and install another [22:55] if i remove one will the overlaped files go away? [22:55] red-raven, if done correctly yes [22:56] red-raven, more like overlapped programs just extra stuff it can get a bit confusing so be careful. [22:56] ok awesome. well im at the partitioning screen for installing ubuntu on the XP. it shows one partition at 79990 MB with 3231 MB used. what do i shrink it to? [22:57] i am having trouble installing version 10.10 [22:57] red-raven, you probably wont break it by just adding stuff=desktops, but if your not familiar with what each one offers in its stand alone stae it can get confusing [22:57] it says it can not mount /dev/loop0 [22:57] *state [22:58] jabumbo, are you trying alooped ISO install? [22:58] ok tnx. [22:58] h* [22:59] trying on a newly built PC [22:59] red-raven, here is a great link in the lower lest panel you will see playing around this gives a little bit of insight. The site is great overall. http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index [23:02] would it be easier to install windows first? [23:02] jabumbo: To do a dual-boot? Yes, always install Windows first/ [23:03] jabumbo, what is your final goal here, and agree with the windows first if you have a choice [23:04] the new PC is for gaming and backup [23:04] so the laptop isn't so bogged down [23:04] the HDD was used as backup storage externally until now [23:05] jabumbo, I meant what operating systems do you want in the end [23:06] i've never been a big fan of all the junk windows comes with, so i was hoping to get away from it [23:07] i won't install it at all if i am still able to run all of the games without it [23:07] windows, that is [23:15] jabumbo, do you need help? [23:15] yes, my disk doesn't seem to want to install [23:16] jabumbo, can you tell what operating systems you want to at least be set up to tweak or remove later if not wanted or needed. [23:17] just looking to start with ubuntu v10.10 and windows xp if needed [23:18] jabumbo, install the XP first can you boot that disc [23:19] yes, it will boot. i was just hoping to avoid the reformat that it requires [23:19] jabumbo, reformat? [23:20] the XP disk told me that i had to partition/reformat the HDD for installation [23:20] jabumbo, so will any install [23:20] not without a reformat [23:20] jabumbo: In order to install an operating system you must reformat the system [23:21] jabumbo: Or, do you mean taking an existing install and installing Ubuntu alongside it? [23:21] i have nothing installed as of right now [23:21] jabumbo: Then yes, you must format the system. Why do you not want to? [23:22] the HDD has backup files [23:23] jabumbo, can you take a screen shot of whatever partitioner you have that can read that HD [23:24] hey thanks for the link nit-wit. just got one more question and then ill leave you guys alone (anyone can answere here) what do i shrink the HD down to, and how do i do this with gparted (i think i just click new partition table)? its got 79990 MB (80GB) with 3231 MB used. [23:24] not without pulling the PC apart! [23:24] jabumbo: What? Partitioners are software [23:24] ...you cant get a screen shot by pulling the pc apart.... [23:25] red-raven, so you have XP installed and you want to dual boot right [23:25] red-raven: You can use the utility "GParted" to shrink the partitions down [23:25] the only thing that loads on the PC is the boot screen and then error messages [23:25] jabumbo: That data is on the disk? [23:25] yes. how much do i shrink it by though. [23:25] red-raven: Enough to let you have room for files? [23:26] jabumbo, do you have a bootable partitioner like a gparted disc. You see to get advice we really need to be sure you kno2w what your doing, or know what is there to advise you safely. [23:27] so then probably more for linux. ill get a GB/MB converter up and pick myself then. thx! [23:27] jabumbo: I meant, "what data is on the disk" [23:27] red-raven, just be surer to reboot to XP after shrinking before doing the install, to make sure it runs the auto-chkdsk if needed and boots [23:27] *sure [23:28] the disks that i have are the 2 for the OS's and one for the motherboard [23:29] the data on the disk is just standard files. nothing vital, just things i would rather not have to replicate [23:29] jabumbo: That makes no sense. Hard drives do not contain the motherboard. [23:31] ...well then [23:31] yah i was thinking the same thing..... [23:31] I think he has his terms royally mixed up [23:31] screen shot. [23:38] Hello Everyone! [23:42] anybody here working with gimp? [23:43] sogepp: I do semi-regularly. What's up? [23:44] can you tell me any webs that teach about gimp, execpt gimp.org [23:44] sogepp: I like this place: http://gimp-tutorials.net/ [23:44] ok, thx