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dholbachgood morning06:11
YoBoYgood morning06:28
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czajkowskialoha folks 09:51
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leoquantmorning czajkowski and all09:56
cjohnstonmornin10:49
HakanSGood afternoon, morning or night.11:56
Ronniecjohnston: https://code.launchpad.net/~ronnie.vd.c/loco-directory/627492/+merge/4398813:08
Ronniecjohnston: mhall119: how to generate the meeting log url in the meeting form when the date/time is not known yet13:43
Ronnieif all the servers use the url as: http://host/year/month/day/channel.html than we can ask for only the hostname, and calculate the other part afterwards13:44
Ronniebut if there are services that uses other url's, we have to think of something else13:45
dakerRonnie, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/%Year%/%Month%/%Day%/%Channel%.html#t%Hour%:%Minute%13:45
dakerRonnie, all the loco teams are supposed to use irclogs.ubuntu.com13:47
Ronniedaker, so that means we do not have to ask for the url in the form, but just generate it in the overview pages13:48
dakerRonnie, i guess yes13:49
dakerRonnie, the only needed infos are the channel & the time13:49
Ronnieyes, and those fields are already in the form13:50
dakerRonnie, so you have just to generate a url like this http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/%Year%/%Month%/%Day%/%Channel%.html#t%Hour%:%Minute%13:50
Ronniedaker, already implemented :D13:50
dakerRonnie, just note that the logs should be available after the end of the meeting13:51
cjohnstonmaybe only show the link to the logs after the meeting time13:53
dakercjohnston, yes13:54
Ronniedaker: cjohnston. OK :D13:55
cjohnston:-)13:55
dakercjohnston, see i got the cloak ツ14:00
cjohnstonyay14:00
Pendulumdaker: congrats :)14:00
dakeri changed my lpid, because i want daker@ ツ14:01
cjohnstonRonnie: where did the merge go for member sorting?14:01
czajkowskidear inbox please shrink! 14:01
dakerPendulum, Woo thanks14:01
cjohnstonoh.. your doing multiple bugs on it now14:01
Ronniecjohnston: i added the other bug, because i needed some new code of that bug14:02
Ronnieelse it would cause a conflict when merging both14:02
cjohnstongotcha14:02
Ronniei needed also the team instance in the teamform14:02
cjohnstondont add anything else to it please, im gonna do a final review14:02
Ronnieok14:03
* daker is preparing some fixes for the planet14:03
cjohnstondaker: what type of fixes14:03
Ronniewhen that one is merged, i start including the code for the logs (need also the same base)14:03
czajkowskinooo the planet is fixed14:04
czajkowskiit was fixed tihs morning 14:04
czajkowskiand they are looking into the text over the border later on14:04
dakercjohnston, czajkowski if you the post "Hebrew and Arabic on track"14:05
dakersee the pictures14:06
czajkowskiahh that's specfic to Hebrew14:06
czajkowskibut there are developers working on planet today fixiung stuff 14:06
HakanSWe are having an irc-meeting today. How do I fix so that the meeting-channel is logged on irclogs.ubuntu.com?14:10
czajkowskiHakanS: well you can get the bot added or use mootbot to log the meeting 14:12
HakanSczajkowski: But how do I do it?14:13
RonnieHakanS: i think you have to ask AlanBell, but hes not here in the channel right now14:15
Ronniedaker, congrats with your membership (Y)14:16
HakanSRonnie: Thanks14:16
czajkowskiHakanS: which one do you want, mootbot just for the meeting, or the logging bot in general, which team is this ?14:16
HakanSczajkowski: I think we need both. It's the swedish team. We have a separate meeting chanel (#ubuntu-se-mote).14:19
dakerRonnie, thank you14:21
Ronniedaker, cjohnston: a small usability issue. when the log url = http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/01/04/%23ubuntu-nl.html#t16:00  but there is no message at 16:00 the anchor does not work14:29
cjohnstonhmm14:31
cjohnstonPost that to the bug report.. but i think that may be something we have to deal with14:32
czajkowskijussi: ping 14:32
cjohnstonya.. yell at mr irc to get that working14:33
cjohnstonlol14:33
czajkowskijussi: could you talk to HakanS re bot please heading to a meeting 14:33
czajkowskicjohnston: no mor elike I'm at work and up the walls :d14:33
cjohnstonlol14:34
nigelbjussi: poke?14:34
nigelbjussi: Can I PM?14:34
cjohnstonall of a sudden everyone wants juliux 14:34
cjohnstonjussi: 14:35
cjohnstonsorry juliux 14:35
cjohnstonIt looks like to get the logging bot you have to contact rt14:35
czajkowskiHakanS: I'll be back in an hour or so and can help then nbut I've to head to a meeting14:36
HakanSczajkowski: Thanks. I have to logout soon. Will be back at 17:10 UTC. Is it OK for you?14:40
cjohnstonRonnie: every time i login after import-live-data i become chrisjohnston214:40
Ronniecjohnston: does there exists already an chrisjohnston ?14:42
Ronnieafter executing the live-import command>14:42
cjohnstoni would assume as much from the import14:43
cjohnstonnew bug #69769314:52
ubot4`Launchpad bug 697693 in loco-directory "Error when copying meeting (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/69769314:52
Ronniecjohnston: ill have a look at it. looks like my code gives it14:54
HakanSJust testing15:30
cjohnstondaker: I commented on one of your merge requests.. if you have a few minutes to make the modification, I can test it real quick and get it in15:32
dakercjohnston, sure15:33
cjohnstonI think it will be an easy fix15:38
dakeryeah15:40
czajkowskiHakanS: did you get sorted and file a RT ?15:47
dakercjohnston, could you check now 15:51
dakerhttps://code.launchpad.net/~daker/loco-directory/fix.681984/+merge/4508815:51
cjohnstonok15:51
Ronniecjohnston: https://code.launchpad.net/~ronnie.vd.c/loco-directory/686267/+merge/4525115:52
cjohnstondaker: reviewed.. commented15:54
cjohnstonRonnie: ok.. ill look in a bit15:54
dakercjohnston, pull ツ15:57
dakerit should work now15:57
HakanSczajkowski: What do you mean with RT? 15:57
cjohnstonHakanS: you have to send a request to rt@ubuntu.com for logging15:57
czajkowskiHakanS: RT is the request ticket system used to send requests to sys admins in canonical to get things done. So you need to send one to request the bot be added to your team channel16:01
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cjohnstondholbach: !16:18
czajkowskicjohnston: he';s in mumble land meeting 16:18
dholbachI'm in mumble land meeting16:19
* dholbach hugs czajkowski16:19
cjohnstonlol16:19
czajkowski*grin*16:19
* czajkowski hugs dholbach 16:19
dholbachoops16:19
nigelbcjohnston: how do I schedule someting in summit?16:21
cjohnstonthe admin interface16:21
nigelbI created a summit, a meeting, a room, and a slot16:21
nigelbhow do I put a meeting into a slot16:21
cjohnstonumm...16:21
cjohnstoncrap16:21
czajkowskidholbach: you give me a hug and you say oops, charming :p16:21
cjohnstonhow do you do that16:21
cjohnstonlol czajkowski 16:21
cjohnstonnigelb: i think its in slots16:22
dholbachczajkowski, no, I hit ctrl-w unintentionally (or rather in the wrong window)16:22
czajkowski:)16:22
nigelbcjohnston: slot only says that these are the times that things can be scheduled.16:22
cjohnstonuggh16:23
kinouchouvi16:23
kinouchououps16:23
cjohnstonvim16:23
cjohnstonvoops?16:23
kinouchousorry16:24
cjohnston:-)16:24
nigelbhah16:24
nigelbwrong terminal ;)16:24
kinouchouyes16:24
cjohnstonand then I started messing with you :-)16:24
kinouchouI don't use vi but emacs16:24
nigelbthat's a bigger oops that all of the above :P16:24
cjohnstonczajkowski: going to disney this saturday16:25
czajkowskicjohnston: No....16:26
cjohnstonyes16:26
kinouchouit's cold to go to ddisney16:27
cjohnstonthe high on saturday is 6716:28
nigelbcjohnston: the summit schedule is generated from the ical using js? o.O16:29
cjohnstonnigelb: so much for you to learn16:30
cjohnstonlol16:30
nigelbeither that, or I'm bad at reading django template16:30
cjohnstonthere is a gui for doing it 16:30
cjohnstonor do the backend16:30
cjohnstoni havent been able to get the gui to play nice16:30
nigelbok, I got it to work :D16:31
cjohnstonnigel its agenda item16:32
nigelbnow I have something scheduled16:32
nigelbthe problem is I can't figure out where the code is that displays the schedule :/16:33
cjohnstonya.. but i went through and had to download it16:33
cjohnstonthat displays the daily schedule16:33
cjohnstonor the track schedule16:33
cjohnstonor16:33
nigelbcjohnston: there is some js magic which I'm missing altogether16:35
cjohnstoni think your talking about the gui scheduler16:35
nigelbI'm looking at http://127.0.0.1:8000/uds-o/2011-02-14/16:36
nigelband schedule.html.16:36
nigelbI can't figure out where the schedule is coming from :|16:36
HakanS czajkowski: Thanks16:37
cjohnstonschedule templates schedule16:38
cjohnstonschedule.html16:38
nigelbI am looking at schedule.html16:38
cjohnstonim pretty sure thats the page16:39
nigelbhrm16:39
czajkowskiHakanS: np16:39
cjohnstonis there something in specific you are looking for16:40
czajkowskiisn't this Daviey area?16:40
cjohnstonya16:40
czajkowskiso poke him :) 16:40
cjohnstonyou just did16:40
nigelbcjohnston: trying to figure out where the meeting name is comign from so I can add the icecast url16:41
cjohnstonI poked him the other day and he ignored me16:41
czajkowskicjohnston: holidays or working :) 16:42
czajkowskitis a working day for him 16:42
cjohnstonI know16:42
cjohnstonits been a while since ive seen him16:42
cjohnstonschedule.room.track.title16:43
nigelbhrm, no16:44
nigelbwhat does schedule.debug do?16:45
cjohnstondunnop16:46
nigelbok, if I remove it, the schedule stops getting displayed16:46
nigelbso I guess that's the one.16:47
Ronniecjohnston: error of copy is fixed: https://code.launchpad.net/~ronnie.vd.c/loco-directory/697693/+merge/4526316:49
Ronnieit was just 1 line of code16:49
czajkowskicjohnston: aye well I guess Christmas, sprints and work kinda kicks in so less free time but he's online in other working channels or I find mailing him works :)16:54
cjohnstonk16:55
cjohnstonnigelb: schedule models topicmodel.py - i believe its Topic.title16:56
nigelbcjohnston: I got whats happening16:57
nigelbcjohnston: there is a render.py 16:57
cjohnstonok16:57
nigelbinside that there is a debug function which calls the as_html function16:57
nigelbthat's where the schedule's printed from16:58
nigelbnow I only need to figure out the flow of that code.16:58
cjohnstonlong as your happy im happy16:58
nigelbhah16:58
* nigelb facepalm17:00
nigelbcjohnston: that bug is already fixed.17:00
nigelbWe're just not using that fix.17:00
nigelbthe icecast field is always blank.17:00
nigelberr, probably always left blank.17:01
nigelbcjohnston: do you want to add a link there called Audio and add the ice cast url to every session? (a bit of overkill in my opinion)17:01
Ronniedaker, do you have some time to test one branch of mine: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/57061317:06
ubot4`Launchpad bug 570613 in loco-directory "Show map of events (affects: 9) (heat: 38)" [High,In progress]17:06
dakerRonnie, i'll do it once at home ツ17:15
Ronniedaker, thx17:15
nigelbDaviey: If it is you that worked on the scheduling bit of summit.  I bow to you.  Its simply splendid.17:32
nigelbTook me 2 hours of reading code to figure out where to read.17:32
Ronniemhall119: ping17:34
TrickyJRonnie: Hi buddy19:15
Ronnieevening TrickyJ19:16
Ronnienhandler, jono: what is the status of lernid, i heard it quitted?19:47
dakerRonnie, can you give the bug id ? 19:48
Ronniedaker:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/57061319:48
ubot4`Launchpad bug 570613 in loco-directory "Show map of events (affects: 9) (heat: 38)" [High,In progress]19:48
dakerRonnie, ok19:48
Ronniethe HMTL/CSS needs a lot of tweaking (not my speciallity), but i want to know if the code works19:48
Ronnieif you like, you may improve the HTML/CSS part19:49
dakerok ツ19:49
pleia2Ronnie: yeah, lernid is pretty much dead19:51
pleia2we don't recommended it to people anymore19:52
paultag+1 there.19:52
paultagdamn shame.19:52
Ronniepleia2: a small dutch group is starting to develop an online 'learnid' because its a great tool. 19:52
pleia2cool, the main problem was lack of vision and developers, the bugs just keep piling up19:52
Ronniebut i think we could use some experience19:52
pleia2I think nhandler joined the dev team just to fix some critical bugs to keep it limping19:53
pleia2but without a solid leader of the project who is putting the effort in, there isn't much hope, and it's almost unusuable in 10.10 AFAIK19:53
Ronniepleia2: we want to start a 'website' version19:54
pleia2sounds neat :)19:54
Ronniebut i dont know at the moment if the open web protocols can handle all stuff19:54
paultagsure can Ronnie 19:55
paultagRonnie: use reverse ajax long polling19:55
paultagRonnie: that way you can wait on events and not slaughter the server19:55
paultagRonnie: it's like an HTTP socket, kinda19:55
Ronniei think there is a lot of knowledge is within the learnid team about giving lessons, and whats needed19:55
nigelbomg19:55
nigelbpaultag is back19:55
paultagnigelb: :)19:55
paultagnigelb: howdy, friend!19:56
nigelbpaultag: good to see ya back :)19:56
Ronniepaultag: i know long polling (and the upcoming websockets :D)19:56
paultagnigelb: I was in the middle of the woods, I checked email :)19:56
paultagRonnie: :)19:56
nigelbpaultag: heh :)19:56
paultagRonnie: use it up right ;) -- it'll help with "events" for the session19:56
Ronniebut what about some kind of desktop sharing/ terminal sharing ideaś19:57
pleia2for the terminal app I might suggest doing it in a chroot server side19:57
paultagRonnie: desktop sharing will be harder, but you can do terminal sharing with long-poll. Just have each client long poll the wait, with a timestamp, and the teacher have an AJAX-driven client19:57
Ronniehmm do not have to knowledge for chroot19:57
paultagRonnie: so it pushes the shell. But pleia2 is right. Screen + chroot is the best19:57
pleia2Ronnie: chroots are easier than they sound :) it just sets the root to a different location, so you have a /UbuntuMaverick/ directory or something with a full install of 10.10 in it, and set the user environment to use that as the root (or CHange ROOT)19:59
YoBoYJanC: ping 19:59
Ronnieatm i think the team cant handle all this stuff :(19:59
YoBoYI missed the reminder for the december team reports ?20:01
Ronnieim thinking of what server software we could use best20:02
pleia2YoBoY: you still have time to do it :)20:02
YoBoYpleia2: yes I try to write it for the end of the week20:03
Ronnieis there here someone who has given multiple classes, and know what features the standard irc classes misses?20:04
pleia2misses?20:04
pleia2the irc classes actually work pretty well as they are, most instructors don't even bother with slides or other tools20:05
Ronniewhat are the shortcomings of irc-classes ?  the ability to share terminal, show a slideshow20:05
Ronnieetc20:05
Ronnieim not experienced in giving classes, so i dont know what are desirable features20:07
pleia2aside from space to host files (images and such to be used during the presentation), we don't really get requests for additional things in classes20:15
Ronniepleia2: thx for the info :D20:17
czajkowskiAnyone going to FOSDEM please add your info to the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fosdem/201120:25
YoBoYczajkowski: thanks I have french volunteers for the booth :)20:37
czajkowskiYoBoY: fantastic can you get them to add their name to the wiki :) thanks we need help to spread out the time needed there 20:38
YoBoYczajkowski: already fwd the link to them ;20:39
czajkowskiYoBoY: Thank you!20:39
YoBoYwe can bring some goodies to seel20:40
YoBoYsell20:40
czajkowskiYoBoY: even better! 20:40
YoBoYif you need official liveCDs also...20:44
czajkowskiwe always run short so if you have any spare that would be fantastic 20:45
Ronniedaker, i still got this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/61009220:46
ubot4`Launchpad bug 610092 in loco-directory "Issues with LD and Maverick's jquery (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,Fix committed]20:46
Ronniedo you use maverick, and havent this issue?20:46
dakerRonnie, at work i use maverick, i am not sure20:47
Ronniefor me the issue is still present20:47
dakeri need to check it tomorrow20:47
YoBoYczajkowski: we always have spare, the people here like our localized edition :p20:48
dakerRonnie, daker@daker-desktop:/usr/share/javascript$ ls20:49
dakerjquery  jquery-ui  mootools20:49
dakerRonnie, coud you check if those folders exists20:50
Ronnieyea, they exists20:50
dakerRonnie, cd jquery20:50
dakerthen ls20:50
Ronniejquery.js  jquery.lite.js  jquery.min.js  jquery.pack.js20:50
dakerthe paths are ok20:51
dakeri think it's just a compatibility problem20:51
dakerbetween jquery & jquery-ui20:52
Ronniecould be, i have looked into it for a few minutes, but could not find were it got wrong20:52
dakerin lucid i got jQuery 1.3.2 & jQuery UI 1.7.220:54
dakerRonnie, could you check in maverick ?20:54
Ronnie version 1.8 of ui20:54
Ronnie1.4.2 of jquery20:55
dakerRonnie, when you try to add an event is the datepicker working for you in maverick20:56
dakerif not try to look at the error on the console of your browser20:57
Ronniethe first datepicker works (style does not) the timepicker gives an error in firebug20:57
dakerpaste it20:57
Ronnie$.widget.prototype._trigger is undefined20:58
dakerit's the same error on the bug report20:58
Ronniedaker: any idea why the 'trigger' focus is needed?20:59
dakerno20:59
dakeri need to investigate20:59
Ronniehmm deleting that part wont work :(21:00
Ronniedaker: there are multiple versions of jquery timepicker (no official ones). do you know whichone we use?21:15
dakerRonnie, no :s21:27
Ronniedaker: ok ;). do you have already some comments on the google map? (if not, take your time :))21:29
czajkowskikinouchou: aloha 21:30
kinouchouhello czajkowski 21:30
czajkowskikinouchou: looking forward to fosdem 21:31
kinouchouI don't receive the mail :(21:32
czajkowskioh odd 21:33
czajkowskikinouchou: mailed locoteams and um... Ubuntu Women, are you not on either of those lists? 21:34
czajkowskiI mailed them only today 21:34
kinouchouno21:34
YoBoYkinouchou: it's just the link i gave on our chan earlier21:34
YoBoYyou already are added on the wiki page ;)21:34
kinouchouvincent-xavier sent a mail for fosdem21:34
czajkowskikinouchou: well team contacts are to pass on the info which is what YoBoY did 21:35
dakerRonnie, my machine is very slow (512Mb)21:38
dakerRonnie, sorry what do you mean but no official one ?21:47
Ronniethere is no timepicker from the developers of jquery/jquery-ui itself21:48
dakerjquery ui => http://jqueryui.com/21:48
Ronnieall the versions are from indempendant develiopers21:48
dakerah ok21:48
Ronniejqueryui does include a datepicker, but not the timepicker21:48
Ronniethe timepicker version could be outdated21:48
Ronniebut i dont know where to find the source21:49
Ronniei know at least 2 different versions21:49
Ronniein the js file on the bzr branch, i cannot get usefull information21:49
dakerRonnie, maybe we should ask dholbach or mhall119 21:49
Ronnieoke21:51
dakerRonnie, the problem is with the datepicker or the timepicker ?21:52
Ronniethe timepicker gives the error21:52
Ronniebut i also got no css for the datepicker, but i guess thats a different issue21:53
Ronniebut could be caused by the timepicker itself21:53
dakeri think no css is caused by the error21:53
Ronniedaker: the css problem: <link href="/media/jquery-ui/css/css/smoothness/jquery-ui.css" type="text/css" media="all" rel="stylesheet" />21:56
Ronniethat file does not exists21:56
Ronnieit has a double ' css' in it21:57
dakerwhat do you mean ?21:58
dakerRonnie, cd /usr/share/javascript/jquery-ui/css21:58
dakerthen ls21:58
Ronniethe link jquery-ui/css/css/....21:58
dakerah21:59
Ronnieif i delete one of the 'css'  it works21:59
dakerjust the style not the timepicker, right ?21:59
Ronniethe timepicker css i dont know because the javascript fails22:00
Ronniefor the datepicker the css fails22:00
dakerok22:00
Ronnieill have a look where the css link is inserted22:00
dakerso the problem is the compatibility between the jquery ui and the actual timepicker22:01
Ronniedaker: indeed22:02
dakerRonnie, got it22:04
daker- the time picker is provided by Maxime Haineault.  See http://haineault.com/media/jquery/ui-timepickr/page/ for more information about the JQuery UI Timepicker.22:04
dakerthere is a file called "EXTRENALS"22:04
dakerRonnie, try dl the last version then test22:05
Ronniedaker: thx, ill have a look22:06
Ronniedaker: http://code.google.com/p/jquery-utils/issues/detail?id=5322:11
nhandlerRonnie: Keep in mind, a lot of the features that Lernid was originally designed to help with have been incorporated into ClassBot. This is useful because it means that our session leaders and participants aren't required to use some site/software to follow along (which was a bit of an issue at first when lernid first added support for pdf slideshows)22:20
Ronnienhandler: how is the usability for giving classrooms for teachers who do not have good 'irc' skills?22:23
nhandlerRonnie: They don't need to know anything advanced about IRC. Just enough to set their name, join #ubuntu-classroom, and send messages to the channel. So I would say it is about as usable as it will get (we even have links to the freenode webchat that people can use to help with the first two tasks)22:25
Ronniedaker: trying the solution provided on the page, and using the trunk version wont help either :(22:26
daker:s22:26
Ronniemaybe we should discuss another timepicker. there are very good alternatives22:27
Ronnieeven datepicker, with timepicker included22:27
nhandlerRonnie: Instead of incorporating many new features into the tool, a better approach might be to simply use it as an alternate interface to some of the existing tools. For example, it could include a nice interface for interacting with ClassBot to process questions. It also might be better to move somewhere (either PM or #ubuntu-classroom-backstage) to discuss this further. We are a bit OT in here22:27
Ronnienhandler: indeed OT, i will discuss this in backstage in the future22:32
czajkowskiJanC: Have you ordered the conference pack for FOSDEM ?22:54
JanCczajkowski: yes23:54
JanCalso, the banner shoul have arrived by then too23:54

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