[15:59] <mvo> hello
[15:59] <jhunt> hi
[16:00] <robbiew> #startmeeting
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[16:00] <robbiew> hello o/
[16:00] <robbiew> let's get this bad boy going
[16:00] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Lightning Round
[16:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Lightning Round
[16:01] <robbiew> mvo:?
[16:02] <mvo> I need a minute to prepare, sorry
[16:02] <mvo> could someone else go before me?
[16:02] <ev> on it
[16:02] <ev> Very short week.  Public holiday on Monday.  Mostly working on moving the installer testing to LDTP. The Sikuli tests were nice, but something in the chain was pegging the CPU. This is much more flexible anyway, as ATK allows you to name the objects, so there's less of a chance things will change.
[16:02] <ev> Fixed a bug in casper, working on bringing usb-creator up to speed.
[16:02] <ev> (done)
[16:02] <mvo> otherwise it will be "work; then vacation"
[16:02] <robbiew> wow...look at that...ev on it today!
[16:03] <ev> I know, right?
[16:03] <robbiew> barry?
[16:03] <robbiew> thnx ev
[16:03] <barry> working on bug 618809 (ethos ftbfs due to libvala changes and py27 transition); switched main desktop to natty; filed bugs 697412 (emacs font problem), bug 697400 (natty classic desktop problem); done
[16:03] <robbiew> "switched main desktop to natty"...\o/
[16:03] <barry> mostly working well actually
[16:03] <robbiew> welcome to the funhouse! :P
[16:03] <barry> :)
[16:04] <robbiew> jhunt?
[16:04] <jhunt> sorry - one sec...
[16:04] <jhunt> Finished coding for Upstart override feature. Currently working on tests
[16:04] <jhunt> for this (lengthy!).  Tidied up lp:#683605.
[16:05] <cjwatson> upstart tests are about ten times as long as the corresponding features :-)
[16:05] <jhunt> Have written a "clone" tool that wraps clone(2) that I'm going to use for upstart testing. Might be worth getting this into an Ubuntu pkg but unsure which one.
[16:05] <robbiew> heh
[16:05] <jhunt> cjwatson: indeed!
[16:05] <cjwatson> send it to util-linux upstream, they'd probably like it
[16:06] <jhunt> Also, we've got a load of new man pages coming along for the natty release of upstart including something that will look similar to this:
[16:06] <cjwatson> they went through a spate of adding command-line tools corresponding to system calls
[16:06] <jhunt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/550668/
[16:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/550668/
[16:06] <jhunt> also, looking at a few upstart bugs.
[16:06] <robbiew> wow...nice
[16:06] <barry> nice
[16:07] <cjwatson> yay, sensible use of tbl ;-)
[16:07] <jhunt> robbiew: I'd like to speak to keybuk about bug 694772.
[16:07] <mvo> nice
[16:07] <robbiew> jhunt: send him a twitter message
[16:07]  * robbiew isn't joking...sadly
[16:07] <robbiew> lol
[16:07] <jhunt> I don't think there is a quick fix for upstart although clearly Loic+Clint have a script fix for the inst script.
[16:07] <cjwatson> right.  I don't think it's too urgent for upstart, though
[16:08] <cjwatson> a proper fix amounts to state passing, doesn't it?
[16:08] <jhunt> I think he might be aligning to US times already :)
[16:08] <jhunt> yup
[16:08] <barry> and west coast at that :)
[16:08] <robbiew> jhunt: he's been aligned to the US for awhile now..ll
[16:08] <robbiew> lol
[16:08] <cjwatson> and we put that on the o-series slate
[16:08] <jhunt> :-D
[16:08] <jhunt> k
[16:08] <cjwatson> though, hmm
[16:09] <jhunt> I'll add upstart testing to the sprint page as I've got some further ideas.
[16:09] <jhunt> EOT
[16:09] <cjwatson> maybe don't write it off entirely, ISTR that there was some bigger issue Clint identified there
[16:09] <cjwatson> there was a problem with init not releasing its hold on the root filesystem on reboot
[16:09] <cjwatson> which IIRC was a patch that'd been accidentally dropped
[16:09] <cjwatson> *that* much does need to be fixed ...
[16:10] <cjwatson> that's bug 672177
[16:11] <robbiew> SpamapS: awake?
[16:12] <robbiew> guess not
[16:12] <robbiew> okay..moving on
[16:12] <robbiew> mvo?
[16:12] <mvo> shorter week because of christmas, did:
[16:12] <mvo> apt-ddtp: code cleanup, upload new translsations to natty;Python-apt: debug/fix refcount crash (LP: #691134), took a good while to figure that out; rnr-server: fixes in the rnrclient, adding more tests, add validation for days; Softare-center: review branches (another new contributor *wooh*, great work from gary-lasker, ...), use gobject based ubuntussologin, lots of work on ratings&reviews including testing against a real instance, almost r
[16:12] <mvo> eady (but not quite :/)
[16:12] <doko> heh, christmas was two weeks ago
[16:13] <robbiew> doko: but with 2 kids...it lasts MUCH longer ;)
[16:13] <cjwatson> Christmas *season* ends today, technically ;-)
[16:13] <mvo> very true!
[16:13] <cjwatson> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmastide
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[16:13] <robbiew> mvo: thnx
[16:13] <robbiew> doko?
[16:14] <doko> initial LO packages (is this foundations? ;P) GCC-4.6, the usual linker fixes, now preparing for archive test rebuids, for current natty and natty with GCC-4.6
[16:14] <doko> leaving the rest of python2.7 for barry ;p
[16:14] <barry> \o/
[16:15] <doko> done
[16:15] <robbiew> thnx
[16:15] <robbiew> cjwatson?
[16:16] <cjwatson> done: merged a bunch of cool upstream grub stuff, including btrfs and squashfs support; finally finished merging console-setup, just waiting to sync up with X folks; started work on converting CD menu to grub; discovered fun security hole, working with kees on that
[16:16] <cjwatson> todo: continue CD menu work; a bit more sprint preparation; some merge catchup
[16:16] <cjwatson> oh, and todo: make sure I have a valid ESTA so they don't turn me away at the border ...
[16:16] <cjwatson> --
[16:16] <mvo> btrfs support!!!
[16:16] <cjwatson> upstream cleanroomed the whole thing
[16:17] <cjwatson> kinda impressive
[16:17] <robbiew> wow...indeed
[16:17] <cjwatson> squashfs support will be really handy when we switch to grub on the CDs too - we can drop those scary kernel-in-a-different-place hack
[16:17] <mvo> so we can have /boot on btrfs now?!?
[16:17] <cjwatson> s
[16:17] <cjwatson> should work
[16:17] <mvo> thats cool :)
[16:17] <cjwatson> not tested even by me :-)
[16:17] <robbiew> lol
[16:17] <mvo> what could possibly go wrong?
[16:18]  * mvo tests
[16:18] <cjwatson> though the installer still disallows it, I need to lift that restriction
[16:18] <ev> kernel-in-a-different-place> living under casper/ rather than in the squashfs, I take it?
[16:18] <highvoltage> cjwatson: cool! that will save some space too!
[16:19] <cjwatson> highvoltage: actually probably not, we only keep the kernel in one place
[16:19] <mvo> I would like to talk about the default subvolume setup on a new btrfs install during the sprint (put that on the agenda already). to optimize for snapshots on packages etc
[16:19] <cjwatson> highvoltage: there's a scary installer hack to cope with that
[16:19] <highvoltage> ah
[16:19] <cjwatson> ev: right, I'd much prefer it to be in the squashfs long-run
[16:19] <cjwatson> mvo: totally
[16:19] <cjwatson> I see it's on the agenda
[16:19] <ev> indeed
[16:21] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Natty
[16:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  Natty
[16:21] <robbiew> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
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[16:21] <robbiew> not bad...in terms of the trend line
[16:22] <mvo> I think we need to postpone the client parts of donations-through software-center, no design yet, no server, I strongly doubt that this can make it
[16:22] <robbiew> and I haven't looked through the bugs...except for the ones QA nag me about ;)
[16:22] <robbiew> mvo: sounds good to me
[16:22] <mvo> but we can talk about it during the sprint :)
[16:22] <robbiew> mvo: sure...will need to make sure the right folks know it's not coming
[16:22] <mvo> indeed
[16:23] <cjwatson> ev: there's a bunch of old gsoc usbcreator workitems on our chart - are those actually planned for natty, or are they only there by accident?
[16:23] <ev> most are on there by accident, but there's a few I'd like to handle at the sprint.
[16:23] <ev> I'll give it a clean up
[16:24] <robbiew> ev: thnx...I wasn't sure about those
[16:24] <ev> the separate /home stuff is blocked on ivanka for design work.  We have plans to discuss it further at the sprint.
[16:24] <ev> err ubiquity-preserve-home
[16:25] <robbiew> ok, cool
[16:25] <robbiew> [TOPIC] AOB/Good News
[16:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB/Good News
[16:25] <jhunt> unity works in virtualbox 4! :)
[16:26] <robbiew> good news:  I'll be managing the team for awhile longer...as our lead candidate fell through :/
[16:26] <robbiew> heh
[16:26] <cjwatson> if you're anything like me you might have nearly forgotten about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/CodeReviews - check the schedule to see when your next patch pilot day is
[16:26] <barry> robbiew: dang
[16:26] <cjwatson> (mine's Friday, apparently)
[16:26] <barry> (for you :)
[16:26] <robbiew> cjwatson: ah...good reminder...thnx
[16:26] <ev> I've got a key to the server room in Millbank now.  Also, the LDTP-based installer tests seem to be working, save a too-short timeout and a hard lock which I'm currently thinking is an OOM condition.
[16:26] <robbiew> barry: heh...no worries...we've got a few good referrals....we'll find the right person....or just give it back to cjwatson :P
[16:27] <robbiew> j/k
[16:27]  * cjwatson runs
[16:27] <robbiew> lol
[16:27] <barry> dang, i missed my day yesterday :(
[16:28] <robbiew> barry: hmm...so maybe we need calendar entries or something for folks
[16:28] <barry> robbiew: yeah.  i'm going to fill out my calendar now with known dates
[16:28] <robbiew> or just have dholbach send emails...though I doubt he'd like that approach :P
[16:28] <dholbach> robbiew, +1
[16:29] <robbiew> oh great...dholbach will do it!
[16:29] <robbiew> joking of course
[16:29] <dholbach> I just updated the schedule for february - if you want to swap slots, etc - just do it - you don't need me to update the wiki :)
[16:29] <dholbach> (there's a template schedule commented out on the wiki below)
[16:29]  * dholbach now stops interrupting other folks' meetings :)
[16:30] <jhunt> ev: re the hard lock, have you investigated a usb serial console setup?
[16:31] <ev> jhunt: not yet. I don't have the hardware for that.
[16:31] <ev> some day I will learn how to use netconsole
[16:31] <ev> and it will be awesome
[16:32]  * robbiew lived by serial console back in is IBM QA days
[16:32] <robbiew> because graphics SUCKED on POWER
[16:32] <robbiew> lol
[16:32] <ev> Suspiciously these netbooks are missing serial ports.  Parallel and PS/2 ports as well!
[16:33] <robbiew> usb
[16:33] <robbiew> ?
[16:33] <robbiew> you can get a USB to Serial dongle thingy
[16:33] <robbiew> ;)
[16:33] <ev> indeed
[16:34] <ev> should I get stuck, I'll go to maplin tomorrow
[16:34] <jhunt> the kernel guys (colin?) might have some of that sort of kit I'd imagine?
[16:34] <ev> indeed, he brought one to the release sprint
[16:35] <cjwatson> I don't have a USB-serial device
[16:35] <ev> other colin
[16:35] <cjwatson> oh right
[16:36] <cjwatson> I'll have a real serial cable at the rally if that's of any use to anyone
[16:36]  * robbiew can go by Fry's Electronics this week and buy one
[16:36] <robbiew> they're cheap
[16:36]  * robbiew also has a rented SUV...so can drive over next week as well
[16:38] <robbiew> anything else?
[16:38] <robbiew> #endmeeting
[16:38] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:38.
[16:38] <robbiew> thnx all
[16:38] <barry> thank robbiew
[16:38] <robbiew> see you next week!
[16:38] <mvo> thanks
[16:39] <ev> thanks!
[16:39] <jhunt> cu
[16:45] <SpamapS> robbiew: I'm here now
[16:46] <robbiew> SpamapS: no worries...we were just discussing bug 672177 in the foundations team meeting
[16:47] <Keybuk> sorry, lost track of days
[16:47] <ogra> and this one is nearly over
[16:48] <Keybuk> ogra: I somehow thought it was still Tuesday today
[16:48] <ogra> :)
[16:49]  * ogra wishes it was ... so much to do before the rally
[16:51] <cjwatson> I always get confused about days around bank holidays
[16:55] <Keybuk> I thought I had a really neat gdb bug
[16:55] <Keybuk> err gcc bug
[16:55] <Keybuk> but I now think it's a gdb "bah, optimisation, go away" issue
[18:54] <highvoltage> Hear ye, hear ye! Edubuntu meeting in about 5 minutes.
[19:02] <highvoltage> Good afternoon
[19:02] <highvoltage> Some quick updates from my side:
[19:03] <highvoltage>  * Edubuntu Live Slideshow is now in the default live system, needs some nice slides (see msg to edubuntu-devel about that)
[19:04] <highvoltage>  * Edubuntu Council renewal is now complete, Richard Johnson and Jordan Ericksson has stepped down, Marc Gariepy has joined the council
[19:05] <highvoltage>  * Edubuntu artwork package split has been completed, some breakage may occur in next daily build, but this will allow us to have Edubuntu theming in the LTSP shipped with Edubuntu
[19:06] <highvoltage>  * I sponsored the last Zope packages required for Schooltool this afternoon, it's very likely that Schooltool will be available in the archives for Natty
[19:06] <highvoltage> Besides that, holidays and business as usual. Anyone else here for Edubuntu?
[19:09]  * stgraber waves
[19:10] <highvoltage> Just in time, the meeting was just about to timeout
[19:10] <mgariepy> i have nothing to add on my side.
[19:10] <stgraber> nothing here either
[19:10] <highvoltage> ok, end of meeting then?
[19:10] <stgraber> ok :)
[19:11] <highvoltage> Meeting adjourned