[03:38] <babelfish1> kind of a dumb question, but mythbuntu hides many of the system administration panels (e.g., on hard drive partitions), any quick way to add such things back to hte gui?
[03:58] <kcorcoran__> newbie here - hoping for some guidance to get mythbuntu up and running.  ubuntu v10.10 and installed mybuntu - looking for help on next steps or links to a guide.  anyone?
[04:54] <MoMo> so i'm looking through the setup options for the frontend -- how do i make the frontend go full screen.  It's not windowed (doesn't have the x button, etc in the top) however the top and bottom task bar are still visible
[04:54] <MoMo> (this is a myth upgrade from regular ubuntu 10.10)
[05:09] <tgm4883> MoMo, you disable compiz, or enable legacy mode in compiz
[05:12] <MoMo> how do i do this?
[05:12] <MoMo> but no i haven't done either
[05:33] <MoMo> ?
[05:53] <MoMo> does anyone have cox cable?
[06:00] <rhpot1991> nope
[06:00] <rhpot1991> something like that you may be better trying on the mailing list or in #mythtv-users
[06:00] <rhpot1991> !mailing%
[06:00] <Zinn> The MythTV Users mailing list is located at: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/
[06:01] <rhpot1991> MoMo: ^
[06:01] <MoMo> I'm just trying to figure out the best way to connect my backend box ... with a capture card? or buy the tunerbox from the cable company ... the capture card's picture isn't the best
[06:02] <rhpot1991> MoMo: depends what channels you are after
[06:02] <MoMo> right now i'm going after quality =\
[06:02] <rhpot1991> most cable companies will be the same as far as that goes
[06:02] <rhpot1991> http://www.baablogic.net/drupal/node/13
[06:02] <rhpot1991> I list my tuners there
[06:02] <Zinn> [www.baablogic.net] My MythTV Setup | www.baablogic.net
[06:03] <rhpot1991> HDHR would get you your locals, and then if you hook up a HDPVR to a cable company supplied cable box that should get you all the rest
[06:04] <MoMo> so ... you have 5 tuners?
[06:05] <rhpot1991> 6 at this point, I stopped using the firewire for the time being
[06:05] <rhpot1991> 2 phsical
[06:05] <MoMo> oh -- i was trying to think how you physically put that many in
[06:05] <MoMo> =\
[06:06] <rhpot1991> and then the one is a dual tuner, which can record multiple shows per tuner
[06:07] <rhpot1991> they are both external too
[06:07] <rhpot1991> one usb one ethernet
[06:07] <MoMo> i have the haup win1600
[06:07] <rhpot1991> MoMo: you trying to get HD or SD?
[06:07] <MoMo> hd
[06:08] <rhpot1991> hopefully thats the q model
[06:08] <rhpot1991> which does clear qam
[06:08] <MoMo> how can i tell?
[06:09] <rhpot1991> I may be thinking of the 1800, checking
[06:10] <MoMo> i've been trying to get a decent setup for about three months =(  .... my setup is a dedicated backend and a dedicated frontend -- because our TV room can't physically run coax to it so i figure i can use wireless
[06:10] <rhpot1991> what kind of wireless?
[06:11] <rhpot1991> "Some of the HVR-1600's (product code 74021 and 74041 found on the tuner label) also support Clear QAM, which is most likely the stuff your cable company uses for your local HD channels"
[06:11] <MoMo> the fastest kind -- right now i have an cat5 cable running to it -- just to get it setup
[06:11] <rhpot1991> wireless is generally a bad idea
[06:11] <rhpot1991> especially with HD
[06:11] <rhpot1991> for instance I wasn't able to do SD on my old 802.11g
[06:11] <MoMo> i'm going to buy that new standard just for this
[06:12] <rhpot1991> I can on my 802.11n (5ghz), but holding a connection is a pain
[06:12] <rhpot1991> its generally better to just wire it if you can, but that can be done later
[06:12] <rhpot1991> I'd go wired for the setup for sure
[06:12] <MoMo> well the AP to the node is about 30 feet with 1 glass wall between them
[06:12] <rhpot1991> as far as that tuner goes it should be fairly easy to setup anymore, assuming you are on a recent version of mythbuntu/ubuntu?
[06:12] <MoMo> ubuntu 10.10
[06:13] <MoMo> for the frontend -- mythbuntu 10.10 for the backend
[06:13] <MoMo> everything works fine -- connectivity is solid -- quality is just horrible.  which i attribute to not knowing how to setup the backend
[06:13] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600#Backend_Setup
[06:13] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] Hauppauge HVR-1600 - MythTV
[06:14] <rhpot1991> describe how the quality is bad
[06:14] <rhpot1991> backend setup is pretty straight forward, I'm thinking maybe your frontend is underpowered or not configured for playback very well
[06:14] <rhpot1991> if you get video backend is normally right
[06:16] <MoMo> its running at 1080p ... but the picture is not sharp, its kind of blurry ... sometimes the video will lag and audio will mis-sync ... shades of green are seen
[06:16] <rhpot1991> what are the specs on your frontend, cpu and video card?
[06:16] <MoMo> sizing goes in an out like CRAZY -- commericals will be full screen, programs will be that box size, and then the program will expand ... and commericals will take that box shape =\
[06:17] <MoMo> its an out of hte box dell inspiron
[06:17] <MoMo> ati onboard hdmi
[06:17] <MoMo> 6 gb memory
[06:19] <MoMo> AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 630 Processor
[06:19] <MoMo> 800Mhz
[06:19] <rhpot1991> yuck ati
[06:20] <rhpot1991> ok lets do this
[06:20] <rhpot1991> on your frontend go setup > setup > tv > playback
[06:20] <rhpot1991> I think 4th page is playback profiles, which one is it on?
[06:21] <MoMo> cpu+
[06:22] <rhpot1991> change that to normal
[06:23] <rhpot1991> then
[06:23] <rhpot1991> hit the edit button next to each one, and increase the max cpus
[06:24] <rhpot1991> you have 4, so pick 4 or less
[06:24] <rhpot1991> you may be able to get away with high quality too, but try normal first
[06:29] <MoMo> okay -- testing
[06:30] <MoMo> nope still like ass =(
[06:30] <Zinn> MoMo: Please watch your language.
[06:31] <rhpot1991> MoMo: I'd check your logs for hints
[06:31] <rhpot1991> !logs
[06:31] <Zinn> MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/   You can use mythbuntu-log-grabber from the Applications menu to automatically post the most relevant logs to our pastebin.
[06:31] <rhpot1991> and something like this is a general configuration issue, so it may be easier to get help in #mythtv-users, may even be able to find someone with the same card to help out in there
[06:31] <MoMo> trying HQ
[06:31] <rhpot1991> don't bother
[06:32] <rhpot1991> HQ wont help if normal didn't work
[06:32] <MoMo> well let me see how i have my card set up
[06:32] <rhpot1991> are you using the open source or proprietary drivers for ati?
[06:32] <MoMo> open source -- the proprietary ones break my pc
[06:33] <rhpot1991> that may be part of your issue
[06:33] <MoMo> my backend capture card setting is on h.264 encoder card
[06:33] <rhpot1991> that not right
[06:33] <MoMo> =P
[06:33] <rhpot1991> I linked you for how to set it up above
[06:33] <rhpot1991> check your settings with that
[06:33] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600#Backend_Setup
[06:33] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] Hauppauge HVR-1600 - MythTV
[06:34] <MoMo> thats what i'm doing right now -- hopefully it helps
[06:34] <MoMo> do i need to have a coax cable plugged into both of these jacks on the card?
[06:35] <rhpot1991> only if you want to use both
[06:35] <rhpot1991> one is for analog, one is for digital
[06:35] <rhpot1991> odds are your cable company is getting rid of analog anyways
[06:38] <MoMo> so i'm scanning channel for the QAM for the DVB tuner ... =\ and its saying timed out no signal
[06:38] <MoMo> wait - i didn't read something
[06:38] <rhpot1991> might want to verify your card can do clear qam
[06:39] <rhpot1991> make sure you have the frequency setup correctly for it too, cable
[06:41] <MoMo> or make sure the cable is plugged in right jack =P
[06:46] <MoMo> how do you like that hdhomerun thing?
[06:47] <rhpot1991> love it
[06:47] <rhpot1991> just works
[06:47] <rhpot1991> and I use it for almost all of my recordings
[06:47] <MoMo> and you get 5 tuners?
[06:47] <rhpot1991> kinda
[06:47] <MoMo> ?
[06:47] <rhpot1991> 2 physical
[06:47] <rhpot1991> and the other 3 are virtuals
[06:47] <rhpot1991> so if you have channels on the same multiplex you can record them
[06:47] <MoMo> whats a multiplex?
[06:49] <rhpot1991> for instance my nbc and cbs are on the same
[06:49] <rhpot1991> so I can record them both using a single tuner
[06:50] <MoMo> can you get two of these hdhomeruns and call it day?
[06:50] <rhpot1991> if you only care about clear qam channels
[06:51] <rhpot1991> IE your locals
[06:54] <MoMo> see i'm trying to debate if it's worth all this work or if i should just get this cox dvr service
[06:55] <rhpot1991> I wont use any cable's dvr service
[06:56] <MoMo> yeah but -- i'm under the impression that in order to get my hd channels and extended programming i need their box
[06:56] <rhpot1991> you need a box, and something like a hdpvr to record from it
[06:56] <rhpot1991> silicondust does have a cable card tuner coming out soonish which will help with that as well
[06:57] <MoMo> so how do i get the channels on my account though -- when i called they said i couldn't get that programming unless i bought the box fee with it
[06:57] <rhpot1991> if the cable companies dvr does what you want it will be easier to setup, but they are mostly lacking in features and flexibility, and its more cable company rental crap as well
[06:58] <MoMo> i agree with all of the above -- but when its all said and done i just want to get the good picture quality
[06:58] <rhpot1991> MoMo: well for mine I get my locals via the hdhr
[06:58] <rhpot1991> and then I use the hdpvr hooked up to a cable company stb to record all the other cable channels
[06:59] <rhpot1991> that records over component, so it used the cable box itself as a tuner and just records the output
[06:59] <MoMo> how hard is that to set up?
[07:00] <MoMo> i see firewire here and there
[07:00] <rhpot1991> I use firewire for the tuning of the cable box, which is pretty simple
[07:00] <rhpot1991> you could use an irblaster to do that as well
[07:01] <rhpot1991> sadly you still need to pay the $10 a month for a box then
[07:03] <MoMo> your not in san diego by chance are you?
[07:03] <rhpot1991> not even close :)
[07:04] <MoMo> damn it would be easier to just pay you and set this up lol
[07:04] <Zinn> MoMo: Please watch your language.
[07:04] <MoMo> i guess i could just buy your setup =\
[07:05] <rhpot1991> you shoudl be able to work with what you have
[07:05] <rhpot1991> you need to figure out if that tuner can do qam
[07:05] <rhpot1991> if not its only good for an antenna which may not help you much
[07:05] <rhpot1991> then you need to deal with your ati
[07:05] <rhpot1991> most mythtv people use nvidia anymore
[07:11] <rhpot1991> bed time for me, I'll be around tomorrow if you have any other questions
[07:13] <MoMo> i got an nvidia -- no dice
[07:13] <MoMo> the GT 220 ... wouldn't do sound
[08:12] <qwebirc64675> im having problems testing mythbuntu using the 64-bit 10.10 live cd
[08:12] <qwebirc64675> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ /etc/init.d/mysql start Rather than invoking init scripts through /etc/init.d, use the service(8) utility, e.g. service mysql start  Since the script you are attempting to invoke has been converted to an Upstart job, you may also use the start(8) utility, e.g. start mysql start: Unknown job: mysql ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[14:41] <tmkt> quick q... since installing a vdpau card, when I go to watchtv and view the guide..the live tv preview isn't scaled, it's cropped, any idea what would be causing this?
[14:43] <tmkt> memory check the other day was clean...so I move to putting a nvidia card in rather then the onboard ati(stopped the random system lockups so far)
[14:50] <rhpot1991> MoMo: GT220 does doe sound
[14:51] <rhpot1991> with that card you want vdpau normal playback profile, and then you need to figure out what device the hdmi sound is for it (I've seen it on hw1,3 I think)
[16:33] <superm1> qwebirc64675, mysql's upstart script is disabled for the live cd
[16:33] <superm1> you can re-enable it by renaming the job in /etc/init
[17:04] <tgm4883> heh
[17:04] <tgm4883> Warning: We believe your account was recently accessed from: United States (CA) (symantec.com:216.10.193.22).
[17:04] <tgm4883> i'm there right now?
[17:06] <superm1> in california?
[17:08] <tgm4883> actually, it is kinda odd
[17:08] <tgm4883> especially since I route all my web traffic through PA
[17:13] <tgm4883> superm1, hopefully my yubikey will be here today and I can change all of my passwords
[17:13] <tgm4883> do you have rhpot1991 have that all figured out yet?
[17:14] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: your traffic goes through NH actually I think
[17:15] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, odd, gmail reports it as PA
[17:15] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: my server right?
[17:15] <rhpot1991> also mythwikiscripts is interesting
[17:15] <rhpot1991> I never knew that existed
[17:15] <rhpot1991> makes the wiki code much less annoying
[17:15] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, yep
[17:23] <superm1> rhpot1991, i think it reports as PA for me too
[18:27] <tmkt> rhpot1991: my freeze up issues seem to have been caused by the onboard video card i think
[18:27] <tmkt> memtest came out clean
[18:27] <tmkt> put in a spare nvidia card i had...and so far so good
[18:27] <tmkt> 14 hrs of uptime
[18:28] <rhpot1991> tmkt: see if you can disable it in the bios then
[18:28] <tmkt> disable the onboard video card?
[18:28] <tmkt> yeah...thats my next step next time i reboot
[18:28] <tmkt> it was a crappy ati card
[18:29] <tmkt> but at least it display the live tv preview properly in the guide view...which this nvidia one isn't doing
[18:32] <rhpot1991> tmkt: are you using vdpau on that then?
[18:33] <tmkt> yeah
[18:33] <tmkt> if i disable vdpau the preview is fine
[18:33] <tmkt> its odd
[18:34] <rhpot1991> I think there are some bugs out there about that if you look
[18:34] <rhpot1991> I'd say its a good tradeoff though, vdpau is nice
[18:34] <rhpot1991> also I don't use mine for livetv, just recordings
[18:34] <tmkt> yeah...been trying to look...haven't been able to get the right collection of keywords i guess
[18:34] <tmkt> been looking up stuf like vdpau cropped preview, vdpau not scaling during guide
[18:34] <tmkt> when i add a new tuner
[18:34] <tmkt> and do a scan
[18:35] <tmkt> to i have to say yes to update channel information?
[18:35] <rhpot1991> depends on the tuner and source info
[18:36] <rhpot1991> some of them can use the info from others if they are duplicates
[18:36] <tmkt> well...have hvr-1600 right now... ota buffalo/toronto
[18:36] <rhpot1991> others you will need to setup fresh
[18:36] <tmkt> adding an hvr-850
[18:36] <tmkt> using the same buffalo/toronto ota
[18:36] <tmkt> just want to be able to get the pip/pbp going
[18:36] <rhpot1991> you should be able to just use the same source info
[18:37] <rhpot1991> I normally fetch my channels from the source then
[18:37] <rhpot1991> if you aren't doing that you may need to scan
[18:37] <rhpot1991> ideally you don't want duplicate channels unless they are broadcast a different way, like qam vs astc
[18:37] <tmkt> had it working 2 weeks ago..can't recall what i did...but took the 2nd tuner out thinking it was causing the lockups..and forgot all the magic i did back then
[18:37] <tmkt> yeah...no duplicate channels
[18:37] <tmkt> but how does myth know they are available on both tuners if i dont update the channels
[18:38] <rhpot1991> I think maybe you scan and say no to updating the channels then
[18:38] <tmkt> give that a shot when i get back
[18:38] <rhpot1991> well you say source 1 has channels 1, 2, 3
[18:38] <rhpot1991> and both tuner 1 and tuner 2 use source 1
[18:40] <tmkt> ok...so as long as they are both set to Source1:Buffalo/Toronto
[18:40] <tmkt> i should be fine
[19:53] <richyw> hey kenn jemand ein paar richtig gute seiten um über hardware und mythbuntu zu lesen, also testberichte, welche funktionen vorhanden sind, ob die treiber vorhanden sind usw.
[19:53] <richyw> ich weiß das bei ubuntuusers schon sehr viel steht, hoffe aber auf empfehlungen von experten andere seiten zu bekommen
[19:55] <superm1> english in here
[19:55] <richyw> sorry
[20:07] <tgm4883> superm1, you are no fun
[20:07] <tgm4883> english only. You british or something
[20:25] <Shadow__X> hey guys has anyone experience much faster samba speeds in windows compared to linux?
[20:26] <Shadow__X> i notice a 30MB/sec difference on the same box between ubuntu 10.10 and windows 7
[20:27] <lukeer> Hi experts, I am trying to get my MythBuntu 10.04 box to shut down on idle and reboot a few minutes before the next scheduled recording starts. I tried setting the date and time in BIOS directly. That works well but is a real pain to do since it requires two additional reboots per shutdown.
[20:29] <lukeer> So I try to edit /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm, which seems to be read-only. I tried to simply edit it with vi, but saving simply causes an error message.
[20:30] <lukeer> Even after setting permissions for that very file to 777.
[20:30] <Shadow__X> lukeer: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Power_saving#Automatic_powerdown.2Fwakeup
[20:30] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] Power saving - MythTV
[20:30] <Shadow__X> to edit that file you have to use either root or use sudo
[20:32] <lukeer> Since becoming root seems to be evil in ubuntu, I tried it by sudo vi, sudo echo, sudo bash, no luck.
[20:33] <superm1> lukeer, you won't be able to modify files in /sys with an editor
[20:34] <superm1> you'll need to do something like this: "echo 1" | sudo tee /sys/class/rts/rts0/wakealarm
[20:34] <superm1> or use sysctl
[20:37] <lukeer> superm1: Ahaaa, I thought it must have been something like that. Is /sys similar to /proc in that it is not _really_ on my harddisk?
[20:37] <superm1> yup
[20:38] <lukeer> Thank you very much, I will then continue trying the "echo" approach.
[21:49] <theteju> hello guys
[21:49] <theteju> I am complete new to mythbuntu
[21:49] <theteju> downloading 10.04 since i guess its LTS,,
[21:49] <theteju> any suggestions
[22:12] <kcorcoran_> any mythbuntu resources present?
[22:13] <kcorcoran_> just installed, not really sure of the next step.
[22:20] <rhpot1991> !ask
[22:20] <Zinn> Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.
[22:21] <kcorcoran_> Zinn:  i gather that from the topic info.  thank you.  my initial question was intended for a different channel.
[22:21] <Zinn> Hi kcorcoran_, something I can help you with today?  I am a bot, use !help to see what I can do.
[22:21] <kcorcoran_> !help
[22:21] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[22:22] <kcorcoran_> !help cannot login to database
[22:22] <Zinn> !help cannot login to database For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[22:24] <rhpot1991> kcorcoran_: how can't you login to the db?
[22:26] <kcorcoran_> rhpot1991:  hi.  i assume that is my initial error.  i have installed mythbuntu; trying to setup my backend.  when it goes through the wizard i get to the page to input my info (for the db)...its all default...and a terminal window flashes stating i am not connecting to the DB
[22:27] <kcorcoran_> rhpot1991:  please realize i am very new to mybuntu (and ubuntu) and it is more than likely something simple i am missing. i have been reviewing the site to find something to walk me through the process...nothing thus far.
[22:28] <rhpot1991> check /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt and verify that db info is correct
[22:28] <rhpot1991> I think we have an old install manual somewhere
[22:28] <rhpot1991> mrand: ^
[22:30] <kcorcoran_> hmm, no, i was attempting to use my user name, the txt document shows DBUserName=mythtv.  should i being using that name or my user name?  i thought i had created a user name; perhaps that was just to access myth tv?
[22:30] <rhpot1991> its mythtv
[22:32] <kcorcoran_> i will try that.  am i perform this correctly?  i have installed mythbuntu on my workstation.  i have been attempting to make it a backend server (with ubuntu desktop).  once i get that working i should be able to use my laptop as the front end?  is that a correct understanding?
[22:33] <rhpot1991> kcorcoran_: yep
[22:34] <rhpot1991> kcorcoran_: for your first time it may be easier to get the frontend running on the same box as the backend, then add the other frontend later
[22:34] <kcorcoran_> okay, can you walk me thru that process?  at this point should i attempt to run Systems>Administration>Myth TV Backend?
[22:38] <kcorcoran_> actually, that time it started...saw a new screen with all types of configuration settings, input, tuner cards, etc.
[22:41] <rhpot1991> kcorcoran_: you are in mythtv-setup now which is good
[22:41] <rhpot1991> you need to fill out all the steps in here to set everything up
[22:42] <rhpot1991> kcorcoran_: this may be helpful: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Index
[22:42] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] User Manual:Index - MythTV
[22:44] <kcorcoran_> okay.  back in a moment...going to actually connect the cable source.  appreciate the assistance so far! :)
[23:06] <kcorcoran_> rhpot1991: trying to setup the backend now, however the display is too large and i am struggling to click next.
[23:26] <kcorcoran_> rhpot1991: not finding any channels; any ideas?