[00:02] In ubottu, GeekSquid said: !grrr is Hey Folks, I know this is getting frustrating; But I'd like to remind you that $CHAN is here to help, not provide headaches, perhaps if we all slow down and think about what we are saying we will have better luck in helping eachother. Don't get me wrong, I am a bot, and sometimes things I say may not fit the sitiuation perfectly... Just trying to keep people from fighting isn't easy, but I find that reminding them t [00:18] o.O [00:47] Hello GeekSquid, can I help you? [00:47] This is regarding 'trench' in #ubuntu, seems this person really doesn't know what they are doing, and if you were to run a whois on this person, you will find them connecting from a rather disrespectful domain, I have seen this person say all kinds of offtopic and incorrect things... and I am not sure how to deal with them [00:48] nhandler: thank you, you actually know me, we met at a ca-loco meeting at chapman university [00:48] GeekSquid: I'm not in CA ;) [00:48] Perhaps you're thinking of nhaines ;) [00:48] you're thinking of nhaines :) [00:48] GeekSquid: And I'll check on trench for you, thanks for pointing it out [00:48] thats right, too many nicks [00:49] no problem, less idle more help ... later guys and thanks [00:49] Hmm...Besides the host, I'm not seeing anything too bad from trench [00:50] me either [00:52] I mean, they're not exactly being exceptional, but it's not something I think we need to handle :\ [00:58] Well, that situation is resolved now anyway :) [01:30] what is wrong with his host? [01:30] he has a cloak [01:31] IdleOne: Now he does, he didn't before ;) [01:31] ahh [01:35] Do i even want to know what it was? [01:47] oh. I totally got him mixed up with someone else with a less-problematic hostname :\ [02:15] elky: Nope [04:58] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from shtepsel) [05:23] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (PardoSandia appears to be abusive - 6) [05:25] PardoSandia's making the rounds, by the look of it. [05:25] rww you wanna add the comment to BT? [05:25] can do [05:25] I banned in #u also [05:25] * rww nods [05:27] thanks for the -q [05:28] commenting done [06:43] rww: ubottu isn't voiced :P [06:44] dude, came in and picked a fight. I tried being nice and he called me a moron. you then kicked me for saying he is acting stupid [06:45] s/dude,/dude/ [06:45] No, I kicked you for not dropping it when asked to by us. [06:45] issues with #ubuntu-offtopic [06:46] the current status is absurd [06:47] witeshark_: The current status is tablet PCs, thanks to a tactical nuclear modechange. Are you talking about my handling of the situation, or how it was before tonyyarusso and I intervened? [06:48] my +q was uncalled for: i was not the cause of issue [06:48] I didn't +q you. I muted the whole channel. [06:48] that's it [06:49] you were indeed the cause but it is over now. [06:49] IdleOne, that is a direct contradiction [06:50] witeshark_: Now that you're aware that I didn't take any action against you specifically, does this change your opinion? [06:51] rww, yes, possibly [06:51] i know my role and read my log [06:51] i am a mod in a car forum [06:52] this is not new to me [06:53] issues like this kill my confidence in Ubuntu [06:54] i think i'll restart my shopping of Apple and OS X [06:54] this IRC is supposed to be vastly better than what I have seen [06:54] what is the issue exactly? [06:55] it is a major let down [06:56] witeshark_: just to check before I go on, the conversation you were referring to was the one about galaxies or universes expanding, right? [06:56] rww, yes [06:56] yes it was [06:57] i am seeing those logs as well [06:57] nothing in there is a surprise to me -- who knew [06:58] and ldunn is a drunk Aussie during that log i guess [06:58] what does his nationality have to do with it? [06:58] nothing! [06:59] gEEZ IT IS THE TIME if day [06:59] Alrighty. Looking over that, I see problems on both sides, in different ways. I agree with you that people said stuff that they should have been told off for. However, your reaction to it -- not actually answering their questions and shouting at them -- didn't help either. Approximately the same is true of today's conversation. [06:59] do you need first grade now? [07:00] I really don't appreciate you implying I am stupid. I really don't appreciate you calling me a moron. I am also going to assume you are an American who was not left behind. [07:00] you need to work on your people skills, if you had a bad day at school/work I am sorry but do NOT take it on on us [07:00] and especially not me [07:01] you know what? none of this chat should ever exist [07:01] IdleOne: So does the rest of the channel. There was entirely too much name-calling on both sides. [07:01] witeshark_: you are welcome to close your irc client and not come back. [07:02] IdleOne: This isn't helping. [07:02] IdleOne, i am welcome to ./ignore you [07:02] oh, and IdleOne get a world clock [07:02] witeshark_, no, because ignoring ops will mean you miss out on warnings, and not seeing them doesn't make them not apply. [07:02] elky: IdleOne isn't an op in #ubuntu-offtopic :\ [07:03] witeshark_: Yeah, I was about to suggest: in the future, /ignore people that are bothering you, and/or discontinue the conversation by not replying. It's better than feeding it by getting angry in channel. [07:03] I'd suggest the same thing to IdleOne, but Ubuntu ops aren't allowed to /ignore users. [07:03] rww, that only makes sense if witeshark_ isn't in #ubuntu. [07:03] all of this has increased my shopping budget for a Mac [07:04] elky: Perhaps I'm spoiled by irssi's channel-specific ignores :( [07:04] this has totally killed my confidence in Ubuntu [07:04] i am so disappointed [07:04] witeshark_: #ubuntu-offtopic's behavior is rather irrelevant to Ubuntu the operating system. You're welcome to disagree with that, but I really don't think you'd be correct. [07:04] witeshark_, you're not helping yourself. this drivel is called trolling elsewhere. [07:04] elky ---- save [07:04] it [07:05] i am an OS X user [07:05] and I'm a Debian user [07:05] * Tm_T finds this information totally irrelevant [07:05] so do I [07:05] So I was right. he was trolling us earlier. [07:06] i came to Ubuntu because someone suggested that it's worth a look and that IRC support is a strong part of it all [07:06] If you had a problem with #ubuntu itself, I could see it, but #ubuntu-offtopic... not really. [07:06] * IdleOne goes to get a glass of water [07:06] "if i don't get my way, im going to uninstall linux! that'll show you!" is a tactic proven to be quite the opposite of useful. [07:06] IdleOne: step back and stay back, thanks [07:06] Tm_T: don't talk down to me. kthnx [07:06] witeshark_: #ubuntu-offtopic is not support channel [07:07] what do you suppose i think now in the middle of the night with work waiting for me in the morning that i will not be awake for? [07:07] Tm_T, I AM not seeking support [07:08] thanks for your useless post [07:08] enough. [07:09] like that helps. [07:10] Nothing before it was helping either. [07:10] oh! so your kick fixes that? [07:10] witeshark_: if you are not going to discuss the matter calmly, please don't even begin now [07:10] the entire issue was started by other than me [07:10] log that [07:11] witeshark_, no, my /remove breaks the cycle and hopefully lets you take some time and get the sleep you say you need to get. [07:11] it doesn't matter [07:11] witeshark_: I strongly recommend that we try the discussion after some time, not now [07:11] i was never other than calm [07:11] but i'm done [07:12] witeshark_: thank you, see you later [07:12] this week i'm gonna get another Mac [07:13] remove in 5 if i don't [07:14] No PM yet. Maybe whackamole? [07:14] mmmmm .... guacamole [07:16] IdleOne: I feel I really need to say this here, please stop keeping the heat up with these arguments, we have hard time enough without [07:17] What the heck even started that? Talking about outer space? [07:17] yup [07:18] And because someone was wrong on the internet, we get the blame for him not going to bed in time? [07:18] he started it by picking a fight over something that happened 3 days ago. the only reason i know it has anything to with space is because rww mentioned it. [07:18] And for that, he'll spend a lot of money on an under-resourced computer. Just to spite us? [07:19] He insisted on us searching our logs instead of just telling us, then called me a moron and I believe he also called ldunn a moron [07:19] Charming. [07:19] IdleOne: then you ask him to stop, if he not, you get the ops [07:19] then came here to continuing his trolling [07:20] which he was partially successful at until you folks got bored and kicked him out [07:20] on the other hand, he was called an idiot, stupid, and a troll. [07:20] after he called me a moron [07:20] doesn't matter [07:20] two wrongs don't make a right. [07:20] elky: i did laugh at the bit about "what should i think now that im not going to wake up in time for work?" and think to myself "umm 'maybe i shouldve gone to bed earlier'?" [07:20] didn't say it did [07:20] just saying that I have seen others call people idiot without consequence [07:21] His behavior was not acceptable. Your behavior was not acceptable. The same is true for the people involved in the previous incident. Too much damn name calling in there. [07:21] I am not questioning my removal. I deserved it. [07:21] IdleOne, there's generally a reason the older ops step back if there's others around to continue a conversation like that. [07:21] You might not be an op in -ot, but you sure as hell should behave like one there. [07:22] you are right [07:23] I am going to buy a compaq and install openbsd on it [07:23] So go get a cup of something tasty and watch some tv for a bit or something to help you forget the little mite existed. [07:24] * mneptok starts the timer [07:24] reset in 5 minutes if I forget [07:26] IdleOne: on a completely different note, see the comment on your @mark #36315 [07:27] rww: you didn't get a response did you? [07:28] later on I mean [07:28] IdleOne: nope. If it happens again, I'd recommend /remove. He's been told about !guidelines enough imho. [07:28] agreed [07:28] witeshark: yes? [07:28] I did understand his frustration though [07:29] * rww nods [07:30] witeshark: is there something we can help you with? [07:32] Tm_T: IdleOne: rww: you didn't get a response did you? [07:32] [02:27] IdleOne: later on I mean [07:32] [02:27] rww: IdleOne: nope. If it happens again, I'd recommend /remove. He's been told about !guidelines enough imho. [07:32] err [07:32] did I lag or what [07:32] no [07:32] no, i saw the same [07:33] * rww PMs witeshark to disambiguate we weren't talking about him [07:33] taking conversation out of context and looking to start an argument I am going to guess [07:33] witesharks lines and my removal all happened the very same second for me [07:33] rww: don't. [07:33] Tm_T: same here [07:33] strange [07:33] mneptok: meh, already did. [07:33] it was at the same time. unfortunate timing is all [07:33] rww: you go through all that trouble to lug that cross up that hill, why rain on the parade. [07:34] mneptok: I'm English, I don't feel comfortable unless there's rain involved somewhere :( [07:34] hahah [07:35] rww: i'm American. i don't feel comfotable round anything i can't invade and then deep-fry. [07:35] rww: visit dc in the summer? [07:35] rww: and bring two or more umbrellas [07:35] umbrellas take all the fun out of it! [07:35] i think i went through...3 or 4 last year? [07:36] mneptok: you used to live dc-direction right? [07:36] * Tm_T has to be afk for a while [07:36] rww: more like "umbrellas are next to useless"... [07:37] maco: Michigan Ave NE [07:37] if only they made dome umbrellas that came down to about the...knees [07:37] (see-through, obvs) [07:37] I think they call those raincoats [07:38] and they do make them [07:38] maco: http://www.strangefarmer.com/images/content/151587.jpg http://officespam.chattablogs.com/archives/japanese-full-body-umbrella-thumb.jpg [07:38] the umbrellas you are talking about [07:38] well the trouble is that if your umbrella is only above you, the rain comes up *under* it to reach you [07:38] Jordan_U: that is awesome [07:39] rww: raincoats do little for your hair when it reaches your rear [07:41] maco: keep the hair inside the coat [07:41] if it keeps your scalp dry then sure it does. [07:42] wet scalp is the bit that's going to make you sick [07:42] i was thinking about a bad hair day :P [07:43] hows a wet scalp going to get more germs into you? [07:43] it affects your core temp. [07:43] * Jordan_U has been outside in rain/hail with just a shirt and pants fairly often recently [07:43] Jordan_U: hail sounds ow [07:43] * Jordan_U is also now sick [07:44] maco: Nothing big. It basically goes from rain to snow fairly quickly where I am, with a short stop through small hail on the way. [07:45] Jordan_U: that's...a fail [07:45] witeshark: whatcha need? [07:45] Jordan_U: perhaps you should take a jumper more often [07:45] * maco wonders what part of the world Jordan_U lives in [07:45] Hobbsee: I felt perfectly comfortable at the time. [07:45] IdleOne: just got a genial response to that @mark PM, so hopefully that's all sorted out now. [07:46] maco: California. [07:46] Three Californians on the ops team? Are we rivalling Finland yet? [07:46] my next wondering is whether Hobbsee knows what "jumper" means in the US [07:46] maco: reading logs [07:46] witeshark: you can do that on irclogs.ubuntu.com ... no need to idle here [07:46] maco: the same as your 'sweaters'? [07:47] witeshark: #ubuntu-ops logs are publicly accessible at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/, which is updated every hour at about 3 minutes after the hour. [07:47] Hobbsee: we call them sweaters, yes, but here if you say jumper it means a little girl dress [07:47] Hobbsee: a pinafore i think youd call it? [07:47] maco: yes i know, but i wanted to see the new postings as well [07:47] rww: hopefully. [07:47] maco: ah [07:47] maco: or someone comitting suicide from a tall building. [07:47] mneptok: er, yes, or that... but i hope she's not suggesting Jordan_U carry around someone who wants to do that [07:47] maco: really? meh, I need to stop using that word at Americans too then ;( [07:48] witeshark: this channel has a no-idle policy. please respect it and only use the channel for active discussions. [07:48] rww: you know the sleeveless dresses girls where over collared shirts? those are jumpers [07:48] s/where/wear/ [07:49] rww, jussi only counts as half a finn anyway [07:49] * rww counts on fingers [07:49] I think this means California's winning, then. [07:49] you're half a person behind. [07:50] oh? who am I missing [07:50] rww, topyli, Myrtti, Tm_T, jussi [07:50] oh yeah huh [07:50] * rww will not say which of those he forgot, attempts to dig self out of hole [07:51] so who are the californians... im sure we have more than 3... [07:51] is rww a californian or english? [07:51] Jordan_U, me, and Flannel, though I guess I'd only count as half too if jussi does. [07:51] jordan, you, lyz, Flannel [07:52] maybe a quarter if he has citizenship, 'cause I don' [07:52] t ;( [07:52] lyz is a full one, she didn't change country. [07:52] so 3.5 each? [07:52] apparently [07:54] elky: move to California, we have penguins! [07:54] so does NZ. [07:54] rww: au has penguins too [07:54] (i think...?) [07:54] Wellington has them close. [07:54] maco, yeah, but i don't know if there's colonies near sydney [07:55] are they on the Mordor or Shire side of NZ? [07:55] * maco snorts [07:55] I have no idea which is which. [07:55] lol [07:55] in the mines of Moria [07:55] damn 'murricans. [08:06] witeshark: you need to return in 24h minimum to discuss any issues. you cannot idle here. please do not make a ban necessary. [08:07] likely to quit altogether [08:08] whatever gets results. [08:11] maco: besides, I'm looking at this photo on wikipedia, and the raincoat goes much lower than the person's rear. Granted, the person is question is about 5, but still ;( [08:11] I demand kid-style raincoats and wellies for everyone! [08:12] haha [08:13] i .... uhhhh .... don't really find myself in the market for rain gear in New Mexico [08:13] i was thinking of hair outside the coat. so sticky and sweaty on the back of your neck if its inside... (also, my hair hasnt fit inside hoods in years. the weight/bulk of it pushes my hood off) [08:13] yes you can help me. [08:14] you can explain the logs I have e-mailed to http://www.canonical.com/ [08:14] thats not an email address [08:14] what logs are those? [08:14] oh look, I found more... more to e-mail [08:15] given that none of us are sitting here reading all email addressed to any and every canonical.com email address, you're gonna need to be a *bit* more specific about what logs those are [08:15] maco: i know that. i used the contact link at that URL [08:15] rofl [08:15] nice kick message [08:15] O:) [08:15] I don't really think that helped [08:16] maco: Maybe sabdfl will start idling in here and require changes to the idle policy. [08:17] rww: do you keep looking at #ubuntu and seeing something that looks like an old torchwood character's name? [08:17] cuz my brain keeps going "torchwood!" every time ohzie talks [08:19] * Tm_T shakes his head [08:20] hi DarkstarC4 [08:20] o.O [08:20] Why is there so many voices [08:20] to denote ops [08:20] actual ops all have voices, then we know who's a non-op just hanging ou [08:20] *out [08:21] so, what brings you here, DarkstarC4 [08:21] * maco wonders at ikonia lack of +v [08:21] i want to be a voice [08:21] (For context, DarkstarC4's +q in #ubuntu by me. We PMed, and I asked him to come here if he wanted to discuss his +q) [08:21] Acutally rww [08:21] i dont really care about my +q [08:22] because no one barely talks in that channel as it is [08:22] ah, okay. That makes my life easier. [08:22] I'd like to go to a chat room and actually 'chat' [08:22] for general chat instead of tech support see #ubuntu-offtopic [08:22] (note that the rules about civility and such still apply there) [08:23] lol [08:23] like what? [08:23] no swearing? [08:23] !guidelines [08:23] The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines [08:23] !coc [08:23] The Ubuntu Code of Conduct is a community etiquette document to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere, and can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ . For information on how to electronically sign the CoC, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigningCodeofConduct . [08:23] no swearing is one of them, yeah [08:23] I want to feel important [08:23] no calling people names, dropping controversial topics if someone is getting upset by them, etc. [08:24] So are you guys like the head honchos on this server? [08:24] no [08:24] Who is? [08:24] only on certain Ubuntu related channels. [08:24] #freenode for full-network stuff [08:24] Freenode operators. [08:24] Who pays the bills [08:24] and even then, I'd argue we're mere deputized honchos ;( [08:25] I want a voice, what must i do? [08:25] in here? get ops in an Ubuntu core channel [08:25] mind you, I used to be an IRCop [08:25] So I can really enforce rules [08:25] DarkstarC4: stop asking, have a long good reputation over time in our channels ... [08:25] !canihaveops [08:26] !canibeanop [08:26] If you are interested in joining the Ops team, take a look at both http://www.siltala.net/2010/03/24/ops-teams-applications-announcement/ and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements for info on the process and requirements. You can also learn about what the job entails from people in #ubuntu-irc. [08:26] You got a command for everything dont ya? [08:26] almost [08:26] !8ball [08:26] Actually abiding by the rules we have might give some credibility to your assertion you can enforce rules. [08:26] Tm_T: Nah, that's how it used to go. Now you've gotta ask ;( [08:26] haha [08:26] you found the only one we don't have [08:26] no 8ball? wtf [08:27] !trivia [08:27] The #ubuntu-trivia channel is a place for testing your brain power and having fun! Join to test your knowledge of your favourite operating system (Ubuntu, of course!) and to keep excercising those cranial muscles. [08:27] Oh great and wise ubottu, should we an an !8ball widget to you? [08:27] @random yes no [08:27] yes [08:27] so [08:27] Hmm trivia.. [08:27] thats a plus [08:27] was there anything else we can help you with, DarkstarC4? [08:27] the 8ball is a must have though. [08:27] the trivia bot was dead last time I checked, though ;( [08:28] hey hey i'm making conversation [08:28] ok? [08:28] i'm helping YOU guys out [08:28] this isn't a social chat channel though [08:28] its a chatroom [08:28] so i'm "chatting" in it [08:28] no, it's an IRC channel. [08:28] chatrooms exist in another universe [08:29] someones being a tad bit technical. [08:29] !8ball-#ubuntu-offtopic is Outlook not so good. mutt better. [08:29] I'll remember that, rww [08:29] Atleast i'm being respectful and not cussing. [08:30] I've got a question [08:30] a serious one [08:30] Why must you guys have a channel just to identify who's an operator in #ubuntu [08:30] ???? [08:30] it's not for that. [08:31] please read the /topic [08:31] this channel is for resolving issues in our main channels. [08:31] You need this many people just to resolve an issue? [08:32] DarkstarC4: do you need an issue resolved? [08:32] Yes [08:32] the process includes logging it, peer reviewing it by other ops and discussing methods. [08:32] are you familiar with the concept of timezones? :P [08:32] My Ex girlfriend put a scratch on my truck door [08:32] wtf do i do about that? [08:32] DarkstarC4: you /part this channel [08:33] or that [08:33] it was an issue!!! [08:33] :( [08:33] I can't imagine how the truck is related to Ubuntu IRC channels. [08:33] so it's not an issue to be resolved here [08:33] Well, it's not a truck, really. It's a series of tubes. [08:33] i'm very hurt to be kicked when i see non voices idling in here [08:33] so... [08:33] ? [08:33] Nope. Not sorry. [08:34] elky, i dont care. Why can't I idle? [08:34] Because you're offtopic. And annoying. [08:34] DarkstarC4: because it is one of the channel policies. [08:35] DarkstarC4: please respect our policies and /part [08:35] One more thing [08:35] this is to elky [08:35] nothing bad [08:35] and it's one of the channel policies because the process doesn't benefit from outsiders making comments, and it can be viewed from the public logs, if need be. [08:36] Elky, you know damn well that you dont think i'm annoying, when i'm giving you atleast some entertainment. [08:36] DarkstarC4: Please part now. [08:36] Things are only entertaining when they're new. You're really nothing original. [08:37] How often do yall get someone like me come in here and be so technical about everything? [08:37] DarkstarC4: trolls? multiple times, every day [08:37] About four times a day. [08:37] ah.. [08:37] (In my waking hours) [08:37] and it seems everyone is voiced excluding the two bots [08:37] dang [08:37] who here is using a custom script [08:37] we should install a rotating door, really [08:37] Hobbsee: and the shellium person we asked to hang out here [08:38] and mneptok, it appears [08:38] Myrtti: it would need greasing all the time for all the usage [08:38] Tm_T: automation ftw [08:39] ubottu: tell DarkstarC4 about appeals [08:39] "apply this grease in to a door to enter the room" [08:40] rww, whinging in PM? [08:40] elky: indeed [08:41] obladi oblada life goes on... [08:41] I really wish people would stop being such babies and take there kicks like grown ups [08:42] their [08:42] or not be so difficult to require kicking... [08:42] If you're really, really bored, he wants the person who banned him to PM him. I wouldn't recommend it, myself; he's rather bland. [08:43] nah, I'm good [08:43] rww: low entertainment value, eh? [08:43] perhaps he should eat more fiber and fruit [08:43] Now I get PMs, yay. [08:43] that way atleast nutritional values of chewing his trolling would get better [08:44] 36315 also sent me a PM [08:44]