[00:08] Which /etc/ files tells you what version of ubuntu is installed? [00:09] s/files/file [00:10] lsb-release ? [00:10] lsb_release will tell [00:11] Parents' server is running 9.04. Wondering if I attempt a remote distupgrade or not === MonsterKiller is now known as monsterkiller [00:11] Would be happier if it were on an LTS [00:11] is it lsb-release? [00:12] On 10.04: # ls /etc/lsb* [00:12] /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh /etc/lsb-release [00:12] On 9.04: $ ls /etc/lsb* [00:12] /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh /etc/lsb-release [00:12] Erm [00:12] Ignore me [00:13] yeah it is, i've just checked, was thinking about /etc/debian_version [00:13] Doh, there is the command lsb_release [00:13] That's what was confusing me [00:19] hackers in my vps :( [00:21] it's more likely than you think :( [00:22] someone decided to convert their website to e107 and it got exploited by a bot [00:23] then the bot owner installed rapidshare leech and downloaded 50GB in 2 days [00:25] ouch [00:26] it normally seems about 500MB traffic per month :/ [00:27] that's quiet :o [00:27] My dedi has used 1.1TB this month [00:27] yeah, it only has some crummy websites on it, it's not actually mine - just get called when something goes wrong [00:27] "why are we getting charged for extra bandwidth?" [00:28] hehe :) [00:42] Hi, anyone here wanting to help the Linux community in possibly a very major way, please contact me about volunteer work, data mining, in exchange for free website hosting and email hosting. Basically, we are trying to convert the UK Government and, ultimately, the uk population, to Ubuntu, or at least, Linux. Email me at "mail@johnthomson.me.uk" [00:42] Thanx [00:54] JohnThomson: data mining? [01:10] ... and we're back in business [01:11] i wonder how long it will take mr website designer guy to notice his login doesn't work any more [01:12] One million seconds. [01:17] exactly. === supercos1onaut is now known as przem === pepperja1k is now known as pepperjack [05:19] hoping i may have fixed my bsod issue [05:50] hi [05:50] Good Morning Everyone [05:56] Can someone recommend any good apps for 10.10 ? [06:01] kaushal: what sort of apps? [06:01] for desktop use ? [06:02] to do what with, though? I can reccomend Claws-mail, vim, terminator and openarena if you like... [06:02] sure, but what do you want to do with them? [06:02] but it's likely that none of them are what you're after [06:04] there isn't one (set of) "the best app(s)" [06:04] it really depends on what you want to do, and how you like to do things [06:06] MartijnVdS: like thunderbird [06:07] if there is a new message there is a pop up [06:07] kaushal: I prefer gmail/gcalendar [06:41] is there a way to calculate CIDR from Netmask ? [06:42] yeah, given the network address - they both define the same thing [06:42] there's a bunch of websites about with js things for doing it or, I think, ipcalc is in the repos [06:42] it's certainly in debian's [06:46] ipcalc and ip6calc [06:46] ip6calc does v4 and v6 === monsterkiller is now known as MonsterKiller [06:50] That said, ipcalc is one of those things I try to not let on that I'm using [06:50] just to give the impression of that little bit more competence :) [07:11] BigRedS: "I do it in my head *stabs at ipcalc*" [07:12] haha, almost exactly! Used to be a running joke when I shared an office with a cisco wizzkid [07:13] Tea! [07:20] Seriously now, Apache, absence of a log file shouldn't cause you to not start [07:20] especially at 07:20 === MonsterKiller is now known as monsterkiller [07:37] BigRedS: not a good start to your day then [07:40] czajkowski: i went to a ceili! [07:42] maco: oh fun [07:43] czajkowski: i got a bunch of my family to go along too and we learned 4 dances [07:58] siege of Ennis? [07:58] siege of carrick, two hand hornpipe, haymaker's jig, and keel row [08:05] * TheOpenSourcerer ponders the "two hand hornpipe"... [08:07] TheOpenSourcerer: !family ;P [08:17] czajkowski: ach, it's not so bad [08:17] at least it was so early nobody noticed :) [08:36] Morning [08:37] daubers: Good Morning [08:38] Still not found someone with a hot wire cutter :( [08:55] morning :) [08:55] guys [08:56] recommendation for moving imap folders around an imap tree? [08:58] andylockran: within a single user account? [09:00] if so, a normal mail client should do.. [09:00] screen-x: yeah [09:01] morning [09:03] screen-x: yeah, it does a mailbox rename, rather than a move.. which is good [09:03] but ideally like to do it via a CLI so I know it's been done. rather than trusting the mail client too much. [09:08] andylockran: just been experimenting with the cyrus imap store, manipulating folders directly doesn't work, probably need to rebuild indexes with cyradm after moving stuff around. [09:10] yeah [09:23] mornin all [09:23] g'morning! [09:25] -5 C here this morning *shudder* [09:25] -5? Positively tropical 8 or so [09:26] Nice.. in the uk? temps not expected to rise here until Friday or so [09:26] (germany btw) [09:30] +6 gere [09:30] err here [09:32] Heh, my parcel arrived at UPS Cardiff at 19:28 yesterday, it then arrived at UPS Cardiff at 04:39 this morning.. [09:38] Moooooooornin' all! [09:38] \o JamesTait [09:40] screen-x: Looks like it had a good night out in Cardiff ;-) [09:40] ;-) [09:57] nperry: ping [09:57] hehe, just closed my first bug as "Wont fix" - seems evil somehow [09:58] kazade: I'm sure folks will agree on it and comment with such :) [09:59] czajkowski, indeed :) [10:01] Morning peeps [10:03] Anybody know when cron.daily is run? [10:04] bigcalm: 25 6 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ) [10:04] kazade: is a it fun bug or just a impossible to fix or just you really do not want to fix it [10:04] screen-x: ta. Where did you find that? [10:04] /etc/crontab [10:04] czajkowski, no it is actually a "really not our problem" bug [10:04] Doh [10:05] kazade: ah fair enough [10:05] I wonder how it populates those; mine's a few hours off that, so I assume they're not hardcoded [10:06] mine are different too [10:06] never thought of that, but that's clever :) [10:07] good idea, especially for VMs.. [10:13] I've just checked three lucid boxes, and they all have 25 6 * * * for cron.daily, there is nothing in the pre or post inst scripts to randomise it.. 25 6 * * * is also in the crontab in the cron package (for lucid) [10:13] mine is 6:05 [10:13] but mine started life as ubuntu dapper [10:13] iirc [10:14] mine's 4:25, but I don't recall changing it [10:14] shauno: lucid? [10:14] yeah [10:14] (had to check, I'm bad with names) [10:16] altho I supose there's every chance bitfolk poke it as part of their rollout (which would be perfectly sensible) [10:16] ahh ha [10:16] * screen-x checks bitfolk vps [10:16] nope, still 25 6 * * * [10:17] bytemark certainly do, they have some stuff to jiggle the clocks too I think [10:30] I wonder why my job didn't run then [10:31] Is it because I didn't include the full path to the command being used? [10:32] feck need to get some Ubuntu Cds [10:33] czajkowski: best get burning :p [10:34] we have an allocation of CDs as a loco somewhere [10:34] I'm still having issues with random freezes / crashes in 10.10 on amd64 and intel... [10:35] AlanBell: it would be nice to split the allocation around the country for ease of postage [10:35] for events and stuff [10:35] Might even be nice to start doing USB sticks [10:35] Or SD Cards [10:35] we should probably figure out what events we want to use them at in each cycle [10:35] awilkins: to expensive i think [10:35] The small ones are probably nearly as cheap as media now [10:36] this is a Daviey question i think [10:36] awilkins: USB are too expensive, we've asked [10:36] Ah well :-) [10:36] czajkowski: is this for fosdem or the plugfest or something else? [10:36] MooDoo: what we do in Ireland is one person gets them, as that's the easiest way for the shipment to come and he then sends out packages, or people collect them off him and spread them out elsewhere [10:36] I just do myself one anyway - much faster than optical media [10:36] AlanBell: BETT next week, just sent request to Canonical for them [10:37] ok, that generally uses up quite a few boxes [10:37] The LiveCDs are _not_ optimal - the drive heads seek way too much, there should be something that works out the order the files are accessed in the stream and optimizes for it [10:37] awilkins: just asked for a small enough number [10:37] bah [10:37] AlanBell: just asked for a small enough number [10:37] Or just dump the whole image into RAM and use it from there [10:37] ureadahead for CDs ? [10:38] awilkins: thats a boot-time option already [10:38] unless it's been removed [10:38] do we have a lightscribe lable for ubuntu cd's i might do a few of them. [10:39] maybe not, knoppix has it [10:47] sounds like 'toram' is meant to work, per bug 25496 [10:47] Launchpad bug 25496 in casper (Baltix) "Unable to boot Ubuntu using TORAM=yes (copy livecd to RAM)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25496 [11:08] Hello everyone [11:08] hello [11:17] Will I get any post today? Place your bets! [11:19] bigcalm: yes! [11:19] why wouldn't you? [11:19] but it will probably be a takeaway menu :( [11:19] gord: lazy postmen [11:19] screen-x: damn, that would be likely [11:19] ah, i have similar problems [11:20] I'm considering cancling my graze.com subscription [11:20] hey biggie [11:20] woo the scott pilgrim vs the world: the game soundtrack was on ubuntu one, i love ubuntu one more every day -_- [11:20] Hi Hoovie [11:21] GF's brother gave me SPvsTW on Blu-Ray yesterday as a delayed xmas present [11:21] Excited to be able to watch it again [11:21] wasn't too impressed with the movie, but i looooove the books and the game [11:21] that film confused the hell out of me [11:22] Not read the books or played the game [11:22] SPvsTW? [11:22] DJones: see gords line [11:22] DJones: scott pilgrim vs the world [11:22] Ah [11:22] yeah it'll do that, it has weird pacing. in the books the events depicted in the film happen over months, possibly years. in the movie its all crammed into two weeks or so [11:22] its weird [11:22] Yeah, did seem all rather hectic [11:23] And I thought that Canadian relationships just happened quickly [11:23] BigRedS: problem is, that films dipicting life at normal speed are rather boring. [11:26] screen-x: Napoleon Dynamyte comes to mind :) [11:27] haven't seen that one.. [11:27] don't [11:28] haha [11:28] It's a film in which almost nothing at all happens [11:28] morning all [11:29] Hi [11:30] please suggest/guide me about https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-January/238026.html ? [11:31] Napoleon Dynamite is excellent [11:43] ok, anyone want to tell me what I might be doing wrong: I have set my preferred browser to be firefox, but whenever I load a URL in gwibber, it tries to open in my last preferred browser - chromium [11:44] in fact, I double click an html file on my desktop, that goes to chromium too [11:44] what does [11:44] ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser [11:44] output? [11:44] so how is it getting my default browser so wrong? [11:45] I see [11:45] 'cause that's another of the places you can set teh default :) [11:45] seems a little silly to have it in two places but not update both [11:45] thanks [11:45] that should be a symlink to whatever executable you want to run as a browser [11:46] I gather one was the fashion, then the other became it, and nobody quite standardised on which one to follow [11:46] that's the wonderful thing about standards, there's so many to choose from :) [11:46] I presume System > Preferences > Preferred Apps sets a gconf key? [11:46] i couldn't tell if i loved or hated SPvsTW [11:47] mattt: sounds like an overall "meh" [11:47] maybe you are capable of emotions that are somewhere in the middle of "love" and "hate" [11:47] gord: :/ [11:47] * mattt stares at gord [11:47] starWarsQuote() [11:47] mattt: in a loving or hating way? [11:48] screen-x: :P [11:51] BigRedS: didn't work [11:52] I've even rebooted my pc [11:52] ah, there's also gnome-www-browser [11:53] Checking in again for the query ? [11:53] and changing gnome-www-browser didn't work >.< [11:54] SuperMatt: apt-get remove chromium ? In all honestly, that was the first thing I tried when 10.10 clobbered my preference, so I don't know what it actually did [11:54] I guess I could [11:58] it might be worth waiting around to see if anyone more patient came across it [12:05] well I've managed to hack it to work [12:05] ln -s /usr/bin/chromium-browser /usr/bin/firefox-bin ? :) [12:07] hah [12:07] no [12:08] I removed chromium as you said and it fixed it [12:08] but I really wanted things to open in ff4 [12:08] I had to play with it to get that working :P [12:08] ahhh [12:24] czajkowski, ping [12:26] alejandra: pong [12:27] czajkowski, hello! could you do me a fave and check planet for me? [12:28] czajkowski: prod [12:28] czajkowski, just published a fix, want to see if works for you :) [12:29] alejandra: ohhhhh :D [12:29] czajkowski, :) [12:29] alejandra: you my dear rock! Planet is now readable again :D [12:29] yay [12:29] davmor2: *stabs* [12:30] czajkowski, yay! [12:30] no more text over on chrommium :D [12:30] czajkowski: poke prod and stab :p [12:30] That's a nice contrast in sentiment there [12:30] czajkowski: you know by stabs you mean *hugs* right? [12:31] davmor2: she doesn't do hugs so shhhhhhhh [12:31] alejandra: nicely done! Thanks [12:31] czajkowski: happy it worked, looked awful!! [12:31] MooDoo: good day me old mukka [12:31] yay \o/ [12:32] davmor2: hello matey. [12:32] alejandra: what was the problem with it? [12:32] alejandra: yes just a tad :) [12:32] alejandra: did you have a good Christmas? [12:32] czajkowski, altho there is the matter of a bunch of girls wrestling a pig to the floor... buy hey! [12:33] good old jdub [12:33] i hate that photo.... [12:33] czajkowski, yes brilliant, too much food and booze... but got away to a nice place in Wales for a while too, which was nice. Did you have a brilliant time? Was your evil journey back justified? :) [12:34] MooDoo: I'd never seen it before [12:34] MooDoo: why? [12:34] alejandra: there is still some posts going outside past the border, but not sure if that's their post being too wide ? like Fabien Tassin post and Martin Pitt posts there today as an example [12:34] popey: i just get drawn to the poor pigs face lol [12:34] AllanBell: Was a line of code... let me check for you and can give you exact details... one sec [12:34] alejandra: it was indeed Wales is soooo nice! [12:36] hello! [12:36] Happy new year all [12:38] good to hear some positive comments about Wales :) [12:39] AlanBell: It turns out the problem was caused by text-rendering: optimizeLegibility; Take out this line and the problem will be fixed. Basically, the optimisation causes a miscalculation on the font width/kerning on sizes <20px [12:39] is that specific to the Ubuntu font? [12:40] https://developer.mozilla.org/en/CSS/text-rendering [12:43] alejandra: http://twitpic.com/3n89dq/full [12:44] czajkowski, thanks, will check that out... [12:44] Speaking of Ubuntu font, check out the font on the signs at the train station in Kings Langley http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs677.snc4/61750_442205016949_785146949_5060446_5959572_n.jpg [12:44] czajkowski, saw one of the graphics also expands beyond the bubble... [12:45] AlanBell, not sure if just Ubuntu font... [12:45] alejandra: aye [12:45] alejandra: but the main thing, the font being fixed is great. [12:46] czajkowski, i know, hooray! [12:46] :) [12:46] czajkowski, AlanBell: off to lunch, will ask more and let you guys know about those bits [12:46] alejandra: Thank you [12:47] czajkowski, no problem! :) === njpatel is now known as njpatel|lunch === njpatel|lunch is now known as njpatel_ [12:55] screen-x: Talking of Wales, it's more than likely that the missus and me will be over that way in the first weekend in february. Since we have to pass Cardiff both there and back, could pop in and say hello [12:56] daubers: cool :) [12:56] do you know whenish? [12:57] we are in Cardiff that weekend.. [12:57] It'll be the weekend of 5/6th feb. Idea of staying in a hotel (probably in Swansea) Saturday night and then coming back this way sometime Sunday. Supposedly meeting Swansea peeps Saturday afternoon [12:58] cardiff is so pretty, home of torchwood, though i keep meaning to go there and be sober to see more of the place [12:58] isnt that fosdem weekend? [12:58] yes [12:58] popey: you going ? [12:58] dunno [12:58] daubers: Sunday afternon/eve would be good [12:59] screen-x: Cool, I'll let my calender (Kat) know, and she'll prod me to sort something out a bit closer to the time :) [13:02] czajkowski: Captain Jack isn't real, he doesn't abide in a fountain in Cardiff honest ;) [13:02] davmor2: next you will be saying that the prezzies didn't really come from Santa [13:04] AlanBell: Oh no Santa's real :) [13:05] davmor2: there is only one reason I watched strictly come dancing christmas special was to see him dance! [13:05] oh my :D [13:06] czajkowski: pervert ;) [13:06] and then admitting it publically :D [13:07] * Dave2 realizes which channel this is, deletes what he was going to say. [13:08] Dave2: I should thinks so this isn't the LR channel you know [13:08] * MooDoo watches SCD but only coz he watches his new future wife on it :) [13:09] MooDoo: who is your future wife? [13:09] Pendulum: Flavia ;) [13:09] heh [13:09] MooDoo: the coffee? [13:09] one of our friends used to be Anton's regular dance partner [13:09] MooDoo: I'm awaiting the sound of the whack you're about to receive from your current wife [13:10] and good morning Pendulum [13:10] Hi AlanBell [13:11] I used to train with one of the former Strictly pros [13:11] popey: that's what I was thinking too [13:11] (Speaking of which, I'm about to fall asleep on the keyboard.) [13:13] davmor2: you're not in lrl to make the comment [13:15] afternoonings all. [13:19] afternoon! [13:20] afternoonings BigRedS [13:22] Hmmh, Dodgy news headline on el reg, Doctor who to marry Doctor Who's daughter [13:22] so does this mean that on upgrade to Natty OpenOffice.org will be uninstalled and LibreOffice will be installed? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-January/032298.html [13:23] AlanBell: I thougt that was the plan [13:24] I thought the original plan was to have both in the repos and LO would be default for new installs [13:25] this means, I think, that Oracle OpenOffice.org won't be available at all on Ubuntu [13:27] AlanBell: you free tonight to do some work for the april event ? [13:27] april event [13:27] ? [13:28] sure czajkowski [13:29] popey: aye teacher event [13:29] Jan - April I am fully booked with events! [13:29] AlanBell: looks like it [13:29] When you speak of 64-bit vs 32-bit, you're talking about what? the bitness? That sounds wrong, and 'width' sounds a bit overly-literal, to the point of innacuracy [13:30] BigRedS: cpu architecture :) [13:30] bus width maybe.. instruction word length [13:30] data word length [13:30] or that [13:30] the sentence is "the problem is not with the of the system"" [13:30] AlanBell: great what time suits? [13:31] mmm, data word length works [13:31] Time suits.. that's what the Doctor wears ;) [13:31] * popey fills in an invoice [13:31] actually, maybe it doesn't :) [13:31] AlanBell: what days next week are you going to BETT ? [13:31] also is anyone in here going to BETT ? [13:31] we can have a mini meet up [13:32] :D [13:32] is that the educashun computer thingywotsit? [13:32] today is not a wordy day for me [13:32] BigRedS: in English, Yes [13:32] http://www.bettshow.com/bett11/website/Home.aspx?refer=1 [13:32] czajkowski: after 8 should be fine for tonight, or maybe earlier if kids are behaving [13:32] * brobostigon looks up BETT [13:32] AlanBell: don't get off the train till 7:30 so after 8 is good for me [13:33] * czajkowski needs to buy a car soon before she cracks up [13:33] I might be in London for some of it, but not at the conference itself [13:33] train ticket went up :s [13:33] I am going on Thursday 13th (with a little speaking part) [13:33] * popey tickles AlanBells little speaking part [13:33] * popey puts it in a circus [13:33] /nick dave2 [13:33] oi, that tickles [13:34] :o [13:34] czajkowski: I might go up another day too, which would be best? [13:39] AlanBell: I've no idea never been. we're not taking a stand either [13:39] oh, no stand, I thought there was one [13:40] It is quite a busy event, or has been in the past [13:40] AlanBell: we decided against it [13:40] Mark is there I think on the Friday but in london on the wednesday. [13:41] totally understand that, they are fearsomely expensive [13:46] AlanBell: on the phone to Anne [14:07] AlanBell: LOL [14:11] you have to wonder what it is that Oracle thought they were buying [14:11] I don't think even they know [14:13] AlanBell: Java was probably their main target, and the rest of Suns IP [14:13] Although they've managed to burn their bridges with Java really [14:17] daubers, it's about controlling the ecosystem. oracle customers have always been java users (e.g. jnitiator as the VM for oracle financials) - relying on sun was always a risk === seeker_ is now known as seeker [14:41] * hoover 's playing with VirtualBox 4.0 ATM [14:41] I hope they don't fsck that up, too [14:51] I've been using vmware instead of virtualbox for a few weeks, and am impressed with the desktop integration of vmware [14:52] * daubers just uses kvm these days [14:52] * BigRedS hasn't used imaginary hardware for quite a while [14:53] I need to have multiple versions of server software available, and can't just keep them all running in case I need one, so virtual machines seem the best way. [14:55] Ah, I need to get all my multiple versions of server software down to not-that-many different versions... [14:55] I use it to test various upgrades before rolling them out to various servers :) [14:56] * awilkins looks and goes oooOOooooo at Vbox 4 [14:57] I'm suspicious ; is this new "reorganisation" an attempt to monetize it (more) by Oracle .... [14:59] Oracle is a business.... I imagine everything they do is to make money. [14:59] I did get a free t-shirt from them once, though. [15:00] vbox worries me, because it's far too easy to recommend to people (free & cross-platform), but I simply don't trust the current ownership [15:01] How about KVM, shauno? [15:01] that's a bit less cross-platform [15:01] true [15:01] dwatkins: and I was so proud of my free MS t-shirt... [15:01] I imagine vmware is also questionable in terms of their motives. [15:02] I think they're a bit more transparent. they're obviously trying to monetise it, and we can see exactly where/how [15:07] honestly, i don't get why everyone seems to think oracle are evil [15:08] gord: I don't, but I do know that their software can be very convuluted. [15:09] well yeah if they start making the ex sun properties suck then the market will decide to not use them, no big deal [15:11] evil isn't my problem. I mean. I use a mac at home. I'm down with evil. It's unpredictable that worries me. [15:38] hey all [15:43] hi bennie [15:44] hey popey [15:44] did you ever get a o2 jogler during the big rush to pick them up? [15:44] i did [15:45] does it work with a stylus bu any chance? [15:46] not tried [15:46] That an ipad magic wand thing? [15:47] hmm, i was thinking to trying to pick one up to use to write some notes up on the cheap. [15:47]