| lamalex | pleia2, is there any way to tell who is in #ubuntu-us-me and ask them to let me in? | 00:15 |
|---|---|---|
| pleia2 | you can't get in? | 00:16 |
| pleia2 | it's not +i, there are no bans | 00:16 |
| pleia2 | you can message claydoh though, he's friendly :) | 00:16 |
| pleia2 | oh wait, it redirects to #ubuntu-maine | 00:17 |
| pleia2 | so if your client doesn't want to obey redirects, fail | 00:17 |
| jedijf | lamalex: that's almost reason enough to head back to philly | 00:18 |
| jedijf | can't get into ubuntu channel in maine | 00:19 |
| MutantTurkey | okay guys i'm back | 00:21 |
| lamalex | pleia2, ah ok | 00:21 |
| lamalex | im in -maine | 00:21 |
| MutantTurkey | jedijf: usb isn't lsted in the top bar :| | 00:22 |
| jedijf | unplug - replug - look | 00:22 |
| MutantTurkey | nothing | 00:23 |
| MutantTurkey | it does know its being charged though | 00:23 |
| jedijf | bad cable | 00:23 |
| MutantTurkey | you think? | 00:23 |
| MutantTurkey | these cables don't seem standard? is it lilike super double micro minature usb or something? | 00:23 |
| MutantTurkey | i got lost with all the different usb types | 00:23 |
| jedijf | when i plug mine in , i get beep, then select usb mode | 00:24 |
| jedijf | check your usb settings | 00:24 |
| jedijf | make sure debug is off | 00:24 |
| MutantTurkey | oh debug off alright | 00:24 |
| MutantTurkey | debug is off | 00:25 |
| jedijf | set to 'ask on connection' | 00:25 |
| MutantTurkey | ok | 00:25 |
| MutantTurkey | nothing, just vibrates and starts harging it. | 00:25 |
| jedijf | unplug - replug - top panel should have little usb picture - like a pitchfork | 00:25 |
| MutantTurkey | sadly it doesn't. you might bbe right with the cable | 00:26 |
| jedijf | shame i am home or i would meet you at fran something pizza and let you try mine or i try yours on my laptop | 00:26 |
| jedijf | can do tomorrow | 00:26 |
| MutantTurkey | i'll let you know | 00:27 |
| MutantTurkey | i think i am going down to the city | 00:27 |
| MutantTurkey | franconi's^^ | 00:27 |
| mikedep333 | MutantTurkey, back | 00:29 |
| mikedep333 | was reporting a bug to ReactOS, then having dinner | 00:29 |
| MutantTurkey | mikedep333: cool. jedijf thinks it might be the cable | 00:29 |
| MutantTurkey | you into reactOS? i took a look at it a few times. | 00:29 |
| MutantTurkey | how far are they? | 00:29 |
| jedijf | MutantTurkey: tail -f /var/log/messages and turn usb deb on - plug in | 00:30 |
| mikedep333 | MutantTurkey, somewhat ar | 00:30 |
| mikedep333 | *somewhat far | 00:30 |
| MutantTurkey | jedijf: doesn't exist | 00:30 |
| mikedep333 | they have lots of essential windows components in place | 00:30 |
| mikedep333 | but they have lots of stubs | 00:30 |
| MutantTurkey | how large is the project? | 00:30 |
| jedijf | MutantTurkey: what doesn't exist | 00:30 |
| mikedep333 | like 10 developers or so | 00:30 |
| MutantTurkey | the log | 00:30 |
| mikedep333 | probably a few less | 00:31 |
| mikedep333 | again, they can import a lot o code from wine though | 00:31 |
| MutantTurkey | mikedep333: wow, what is the morale like? I can only imagine a bit hopeless | 00:31 |
| mikedep333 | MutantTurkey, I stopped hanging out in their IRC channel and helping with other things like managing bug reports because I was disappointed in the progress | 00:32 |
| mikedep333 | they said they had more developers at the time | 00:32 |
| mikedep333 | but I think they may have had less | 00:32 |
| MutantTurkey | oh |: | 00:32 |
| mikedep333 | they did lose the genius Alex Ionescu | 00:32 |
| mikedep333 | I think he's independently wealthy or something and worked for MS for a while and stuf | 00:32 |
| MutantTurkey | oh wow. | 00:32 |
| mikedep333 | he was a kernel hacker | 00:32 |
| mikedep333 | and security expert | 00:32 |
| MutantTurkey | my uncle worked at microsoft for quite a long time | 00:32 |
| mikedep333 | he wrote an elevation of privileges exploit for windows for example | 00:33 |
| MutantTurkey | then retired at 30ish and got bored with life so now he works 6 month projects and spends the rest of the time travelling around | 00:33 |
| * mikedep333 puts MutantTurkey on the watch list | 00:33 | |
| mikedep333 | up until age 30 isn't "quite a long time" IMHO | 00:34 |
| mikedep333 | that's like 8 years out of college | 00:34 |
| MutantTurkey | i haven't talked to him in a while, we got in a large argument about how viable linux desktop was and that was it | 00:34 |
| mikedep333 | wow | 00:34 |
| mikedep333 | yeah | 00:34 |
| mikedep333 | I was in an IT internship program at my high school | 00:34 |
| MutantTurkey | none of that at my highschool | 00:34 |
| MutantTurkey | I don't even go there anymore lol. i go to the community college instead now | 00:35 |
| mikedep333 | http://www.lschs.org/page.cfm?p=866 | 00:35 |
| mikedep333 | and one of the former prominent members ended up working for MS | 00:35 |
| mikedep333 | so he was badmouthing linux | 00:36 |
| MutantTurkey | i know a few kids who went there | 00:36 |
| MutantTurkey | bunch of jerks for hockey players | 00:36 |
| mikedep333 | my friends' friend who was running linux is now working for MS | 00:36 |
| mikedep333 | MutantTurkey, one reason why I went to LSCHS was to escape being bullied by jerks at public school | 00:37 |
| mikedep333 | lol | 00:37 |
| mikedep333 | Program Leader: Colin McIntos | 00:37 |
| MutantTurkey | hahaha well i never liked public school either, like i said I basically have a dual enrollement at my high school and college, but take all my classes at montco instead | 00:37 |
| mikedep333 | whoops | 00:37 |
| mikedep333 | McIntosh | 00:37 |
| mikedep333 | MutantTurkey, yeah | 00:38 |
| MutantTurkey | having break for two more weeks is nice | 00:38 |
| jedijf | hey, i'm alumni | 00:38 |
| MutantTurkey | jedijf: lasalle? | 00:38 |
| mikedep333 | jedijf, of LSCHS? | 00:38 |
| jedijf | '83 explorer here | 00:38 |
| mikedep333 | nice! | 00:38 |
| mikedep333 | '05 here | 00:38 |
| jedijf | robert russell still lying around | 00:38 |
| mikedep333 | oh yeah | 00:39 |
| mikedep333 | last I met him he was trying to sell "gradebooks for windows" still | 00:39 |
| jedijf | he was our computer/physics teacher | 00:39 |
| mikedep333 | yeah | 00:39 |
| jedijf | pdp 11/34a | 00:39 |
| mikedep333 | I had him for honors physics | 00:39 |
| MutantTurkey | small world eh? | 00:39 |
| mikedep333 | maybe he left since 2005 though | 00:39 |
| mikedep333 | http://www.lschs.org/page.cfm?p=1436 | 00:40 |
| mikedep333 | Robert Russell | 00:40 |
| mikedep333 | whoops | 00:40 |
| mikedep333 | Anonymous in honor of Robert Russell | 00:40 |
| jedijf | i worked for him in the summer too, at computer camp | 00:40 |
| mikedep333 | MutantTurkey, I like #ubuntu-us-pa because I meet people from the current town/area I'm in | 00:40 |
| mikedep333 | jedijf, cool | 00:40 |
| mikedep333 | jedijf, back in the mid or late 90's we added on a new wong | 00:41 |
| mikedep333 | Peter Sigmund, the head IT person, told the school to put it 100mbit cat5 ethernet | 00:41 |
| mikedep333 | Robert Russell however convinced the school to put it 10mbit cat4 | 00:41 |
| mikedep333 | and because it's like in the building material or whatever they were unable to upgrade it as of 2005 | 00:42 |
| mikedep333 | and keep in mind | 00:42 |
| MutantTurkey | mikedep333: plus you can ask about good places to eat ;) | 00:42 |
| jedijf | perspective; he and I were from the ONE acoustic coupler days...... | 00:42 |
| mikedep333 | all the teachers have roaming profiles on their individual laptops | 00:42 |
| mikedep333 | MutantTurkey, yes, I'm in the mood for some good turkey | 00:42 |
| MutantTurkey | definitly avoid the willow grove area then :p | 00:43 |
| mikedep333 | MutantTurkey, you saw my output? http://paste.ubuntu.com/550415/ | 00:47 |
| MutantTurkey | yeah that only happened to me once | 00:47 |
| MutantTurkey | okay let me plug in before turning on and then have adb running | 00:48 |
| MutantTurkey | yeah nothing, just same old "unable to enumerate USB device" | 00:51 |
| mikedep333 | MutantTurkey, this is when it is useful to have windows system handy | 00:53 |
| MutantTurkey | i know right. | 00:53 |
| jedijf | http://paste.ubuntu.com/550448/ | 00:53 |
| jedijf | soemthing for you two to aspire to ^^ | 00:53 |
| jedijf | something* | 00:53 |
| MutantTurkey | :p | 00:54 |
| rmg51 | andrew: what did you do to PennBot? | 00:55 |
| mikedep333 | jedijf, oh, you have an at&t captivate too | 01:00 |
| MutantTurkey | jedijf: you do? | 01:00 |
| mikedep333 | you did the update under settings > about? | 01:00 |
| MutantTurkey | jedijf: ^^ | 01:03 |
| mikedep333 | it is the best android phone on AT&T | 01:03 |
| jedijf | mikedep333: since day one | 01:03 |
| MutantTurkey | but did you do the update under settings > about | 01:03 |
| jedijf | 2.1 update1? | 01:04 |
| jedijf | yeah i got that | 01:04 |
| MutantTurkey | and your usb is still A-okay? | 01:04 |
| mikedep333 | jedijf, there are often multiple updates | 01:04 |
| mikedep333 | within android 2.1.1 or whatever | 01:04 |
| mikedep333 | so please just go to settings > about > update now | 01:04 |
| MutantTurkey | i did | 01:05 |
| MutantTurkey | nothing new? | 01:05 |
| jedijf | i have had one update - no problems - other than they took away the tether option after the update | 01:05 |
| mikedep333 | jedijf, there may be a 2nd one available | 01:05 |
| MutantTurkey | yeah i've got the only one update | 01:06 |
| jedijf | no updtes | 01:06 |
| jedijf | updates | 01:06 |
| mikedep333 | jedijf, ok, good | 01:06 |
| MutantTurkey | I was thinking about rooting it and doing the CM mods, any words of wisdom against that? | 01:06 |
| MutantTurkey | people seem all for it. | 01:06 |
| jedijf | i rooted - no mods | 01:06 |
| jedijf | just to install what i want | 01:06 |
| MutantTurkey | ah right | 01:06 |
| mikedep333 | yeah, but I don't know how AT&T will react | 01:06 |
| MutantTurkey | yeah I don't know either and my mom got it for me for christmas so i didn't actually talk to anyone at the stores | 01:07 |
| mikedep333 | I have an unlocked acer phone from europe that's out of warranty, and there's a nice recovery environment, so I had no hesitations using a custom rom | 01:07 |
| jedijf | haven't had any problems | 01:07 |
| jedijf | i even tethered a ton when fios whas out for a week | 01:07 |
| MutantTurkey | jedijf: I think it maybe the cable, i will havefta make a few calls but i might be able to get my hands on new one | 01:08 |
| jedijf | waited like 2 months to root though | 01:08 |
| jedijf | i bought 2 from china | 01:08 |
| jedijf | had to shave them a little to make them work | 01:08 |
| jedijf | wow, that looks weird | 01:09 |
| jedijf | that's why i said, maybe meet up at franc* and check it out | 01:10 |
| MutantTurkey | yeah, i'm sitting around on break doing nothing so whenever works for you works for me if you don't mind driving up | 01:10 |
| jedijf | gnome and tethering work automagically too | 01:11 |
| MutantTurkey | do you have unlimited data from AT&T? i've got crappy 2gb a month :| | 01:11 |
| jedijf | i drive by there every night on the way home - thurs will be no go - late meeting with insurance agent | 01:11 |
| jedijf | i have unlimited and unlimited 3g laptop card too | 01:11 |
| jedijf | in a $7 laptop | 01:12 |
| jedijf | go figure | 01:12 |
| MutantTurkey | $7 laptop? | 01:12 |
| jedijf | ibm x21 saved from recycling | 01:12 |
| MutantTurkey | oh nice | 01:13 |
| jedijf | i have a few more | 01:13 |
| MutantTurkey | looking to sell any? | 01:13 |
| jedijf | love them | 01:13 |
| jedijf | i give them away, when they work, plus any parts i have to add, like adapters and hd's | 01:13 |
| jedijf | adapters are like 10 bucks hd's (my 4-5 gig monsters) are like $7 | 01:14 |
| jedijf | i have lots of neat old ass stuff | 01:15 |
| MutantTurkey | I've got a few older laptops laying around, but lack of battery life makes them pretty useless | 01:15 |
| jedijf | ac ftw | 01:15 |
| MutantTurkey | ac ftw, except that they tend to have crappy power cables and adapters that break alot | 01:16 |
| jedijf | actually, the x21's have a very hackable battery pack/style | 01:16 |
| jedijf | i have great success with the ibm adapters and all their knockoffs | 01:17 |
| MutantTurkey | I'd like to get my hands on a new stinkpad, i always liked them | 01:17 |
| jedijf | and many from that era use the ibm style adapters | 01:17 |
| jedijf | lots of 600's e's and x's | 01:17 |
| jedijf | a's | 01:17 |
| jedijf | i have many ibms | 01:18 |
| jedijf | but then again, i even like these compaq armada's 7700'ish 64 megs ram 233MHz running lupup and dsl | 01:19 |
| jedijf | mickey mouse adapters | 01:20 |
| jedijf | 9lb laptops | 01:20 |
| mikedep333 | jedijf, I could use one! | 01:22 |
| mikedep333 | I have tons of spare parts I could trade you | 01:22 |
| mikedep333 | let me see what I spare parts I listed in my email | 01:22 |
| jedijf | mikedep333: which do you like, or do you just want any | 01:22 |
| mikedep333 | well, more like accessories | 01:22 |
| jedijf | i don't need accessorites | 01:22 |
| mikedep333 | whatever's the best equipped | 01:22 |
| mikedep333 | preferably small | 01:22 |
| jedijf | that'd be the x21 | 01:22 |
| mikedep333 | let me google it | 01:22 |
| jedijf | i'll check my inventory | 01:23 |
| mikedep333 | I have a ton of cables right now | 01:23 |
| MutantTurkey | haha i have like six or seven armadas | 01:23 |
| jedijf | i just got 10 new(old) in pristine condition | 01:23 |
| mikedep333 | wow | 01:24 |
| MutantTurkey | do you say micky mouse adapters, because of the weird plugs right? | 01:24 |
| jedijf | want to use for an ltsp demo setup | 01:24 |
| jedijf | MutantTurkey: yep - looks like mm silhoette | 01:24 |
| MutantTurkey | I have an old toughbook that i'd like to get booted up | 01:24 |
| jedijf | i have tons of hd's if you need that | 01:25 |
| MutantTurkey | it has an weird adapter i need to order i think | 01:25 |
| mikedep333 | jedijf, I like messing around with LTSP | 01:25 |
| MutantTurkey | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Toughbook-cf-m34_4.jpg pretty close to that look | 01:25 |
| jedijf | mikedep333: me too; can't figure out why i doesn't catch on more | 01:25 |
| mikedep333 | jedijf, well, multimedia on it is slow | 01:26 |
| jedijf | tv's are for multimedia - computers are for computing | 01:26 |
| MutantTurkey | i have countless video cards that are completely useless now also | 01:26 |
| jedijf | like gaming consoles are for games | 01:26 |
| MutantTurkey | since i got rid of almost all of my towers | 01:26 |
| mikedep333 | jedijf, also, it's a huge hassle to get proprietary video drivers working on them | 01:26 |
| mikedep333 | I'm moving into my new apartment in King of Prussia with FIOS | 01:27 |
| mikedep333 | to get 25/25mbit internet alone, you have to spend $70/month w/ a 1 year contract | 01:27 |
| mikedep333 | it's $10 or $15 more for no contract | 01:27 |
| jedijf | mikedep333: i haven't had any issues so far, maybe just lucky | 01:28 |
| mikedep333 | so I'm probably going with a TV package bundled for like $100, and no contract | 01:28 |
| mikedep333 | jedijf, you aren't using modern ATI and Nvidia graphics adapters | 01:28 |
| mikedep333 | I presume | 01:28 |
| jedijf | what is this 'modern' you speak of | 01:28 |
| mikedep333 | something along the lines of a geforce 6200 dedicated or higher | 01:28 |
| jedijf | why would i need that? | 01:29 |
| mikedep333 | which many integrated graphics today are better than | 01:29 |
| mikedep333 | jedijf, my users like to use the internet on computers for video | 01:29 |
| mikedep333 | and for some very basic 3D at least | 01:29 |
| mikedep333 | this won't be using LTSP, but my desktop has a 1440p monitor now, and no TV signal can deliver 1440p | 01:30 |
| jthan | lamalex: DUDE! Long time no see. I saw on fb and I'm pretty sure I even commented to ask what you were building, but I didn't get a response. | 01:30 |
| jthan | What kind of bike? Gimme details! | 01:31 |
| jedijf | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) | 01:31 |
| mikedep333 | jedijf, yeah, a GMA950 | 01:31 |
| mikedep333 | wait | 01:31 |
| jedijf | in my netbook ^^^ compiz works in my dell 6000 | 01:31 |
| mikedep333 | is that the ULV netbook version? | 01:31 |
| mikedep333 | the netbook version of the 950 is far weaker than the laptop/desktop version | 01:31 |
| mikedep333 | I learned that the hard way | 01:31 |
| jthan | jedijf: what's your deal? I have a 950 in my MC | 01:32 |
| jthan | MB* | 01:32 |
| jedijf | compiz /may/ work in this netbook - i can't remember - works in my old tosh satellite too | 01:32 |
| jthan | lamalex: also - you heard of State Bicycle Co.? I kinda like their bikes.. Almost outgrowing my Track so I'm going to start looking soon.. Something on the cheap probably. | 01:32 |
| mikedep333 | jedijf, it will run, it just won't go very smooth or handle lots of effects | 01:32 |
| mikedep333 | my netbook has an ULV core 2 solo @1.4ghz and an ULV GMA4500MHD | 01:33 |
| mikedep333 | so again, the intel GMA 4500 is underclocked | 01:33 |
| mikedep333 | it can do 720P video though | 01:33 |
| jedijf | video / audio all frills | 01:34 |
| jedijf | how's the ascii art look? | 01:35 |
| jthan | I could never get mine to work. But that was back in... 9.x? Maybe even Intrepid. | 01:35 |
| jthan | Was in Intrepid 8.10? | 01:35 |
| * jthan can't think back that far | 01:35 | |
| jthan | Would have to be. 8.04 was hardy. Can't ever forget my favorite release. | 01:35 |
| jedijf | your macbook was just a fail | 01:35 |
| jedijf | hd | 01:36 |
| jedijf | video | 01:36 |
| jedijf | user | 01:36 |
| jedijf | all fail | 01:36 |
| jthan | Yes I know my MacBook was just a fail. | 01:36 |
| mikedep333 | my macbook has a Geforce 9400 | 01:36 |
| jthan | Debian, Gentoo, Ubuntu, openSUSE | 01:36 |
| mikedep333 | it's pretty good | 01:36 |
| mikedep333 | it's very fast for integrated | 01:36 |
| jthan | Gentoo had the most stuff working I'd say | 01:36 |
| jedijf | after 6 months | 01:36 |
| jthan | Wireless was a dirty <choice word> no matter how you look at it | 01:36 |
| jthan | Lol. 6 months of compiling, maybe. | 01:36 |
| jthan | probably a year til it was usable. | 01:37 |
| mikedep333 | jthan, I hate how apple uses the boradcom wi-fi | 01:37 |
| jthan | Ugh. tell me about it. | 01:37 |
| jthan | jedijf: I learned more using Gentoo than I ever did using Ubuntu, so I can't say much. | 01:37 |
| mikedep333 | although their 1st party driver supports newer chips like mine fairly well | 01:37 |
| jedijf | jthan: true | 01:37 |
| jthan | If bts3685|1ps would ever show his face... I owe him countless hours too | 01:38 |
| jedijf | or, more to the point, you learned more trying to use Gentoo than /suing/ Ubuntu | 01:38 |
| mikedep333 | my dell d500 from 2003 (pentium-m 1.3 ghz) had an old 802.11g broadcom | 01:38 |
| mikedep333 | it was terrible | 01:38 |
| jthan | Lol. On my Desktop Gentoo was very successful. | 01:38 |
| mikedep333 | it also overheated on my bed | 01:38 |
| jthan | Lol. Yeah. I honestly would never buy a computer with broadcom wireless if I knew I was going to put linux on it at this point. | 01:39 |
| jthan | I'd go for atheros or something DEFINITELY supported. | 01:39 |
| mikedep333 | jthan, linux would be a lot more successful iff everyone used desktops | 01:39 |
| jedijf | broadcom support ahs improved greatly | 01:39 |
| jedijf | has | 01:39 |
| jthan | Sadly, you're right. | 01:39 |
| jedijf | for a long while now | 01:39 |
| mikedep333 | jthan, my netbook has intel w-fi, so hurray | 01:39 |
| jthan | We had a guy (kid?) in here once that couldn't get his intel wireless working to save any of our lives | 01:39 |
| jthan | I don't think I ever used it | 01:39 |
| mikedep333 | jthan, I've heard of some problems, but with the low bitrate aside, my intel wi-fi has always worked out of the box with ubuntu | 01:40 |
| pleia2 | I fought with a new intel card (had to go with a 2.6.32 kernel) and a rektek last week | 01:40 |
| mikedep333 | even on the live CD | 01:40 |
| pleia2 | and neither were wifi :( | 01:40 |
| pleia2 | s/rektek/realtek | 01:41 |
| jthan | pleia2: that makes me sad | 01:41 |
| jedijf | pleia2: you have no luck with any nics | 01:41 |
| jedijf | wired or wireless | 01:41 |
| pleia2 | it's true | 01:41 |
| pleia2 | I am not meant to be online | 01:41 |
| jthan | that's why you got a smart phone w/ SSH | 01:41 |
| mikedep333 | jthan, and a physical keyboard preferably | 01:42 |
| pleia2 | I'm on a train tethering through my phone right now | 01:42 |
| pleia2 | the broadcom on my netbook works fine, not touching it | 01:42 |
| pleia2 | 8.04 is lovely | 01:42 |
| pleia2 | :P | 01:42 |
| jedijf | another ubu event | 01:42 |
| mikedep333 | pleia2, wow | 01:42 |
| pleia2 | nah, going to ikea tonight | 01:42 |
| jthan | I LOVE Hardy. Still use it on my home server | 01:42 |
| pleia2 | meeting mjoseph for dinner, then ikea! | 01:42 |
| jthan | Get me some meatballs | 01:42 |
| jedijf | ikea has meatballs | 01:43 |
| pleia2 | haha | 01:43 |
| jthan | jedijf: the best | 01:43 |
| pleia2 | they are pretty tastey | 01:43 |
| jedijf | yes i know, saying no need for dinner first | 01:43 |
| pleia2 | I am eating dinner at the goog | 01:43 |
| jedijf | and dingleberry sauce (or something) | 01:43 |
| pleia2 | it's good (and free) | 01:43 |
| jthan | What can you get there? | 01:43 |
| pleia2 | lots of things | 01:43 |
| jedijf | google burgers and adnriod fries | 01:44 |
| jthan | Would I have been better off asking what you can't get? | 01:44 |
| pleia2 | indian, chinese, mexican, american, italian, and then some specials | 01:44 |
| pleia2 | they have other campus restaurants too, but guests cant go to those | 01:44 |
| jthan | Still sounds fun. | 01:46 |
| pleia2 | it's more fun when it's not dark and we can go outside and play | 01:46 |
| pleia2 | see the dinosaur and the android | 01:46 |
| jedijf | pleia2: while you're there ask them why i didn't get a cr-48 please | 01:47 |
| pleia2 | haha | 01:47 |
| pleia2 | I didn't get one either | 01:47 |
| jthan | Me neither :-( | 01:48 |
| pleia2 | I did get to play with one at an ubuntu hour last week though | 01:48 |
| jthan | Google probably knows I'm not 18 though. :-P | 01:48 |
| pleia2 | they are pretty slick | 01:48 |
| jedijf | i really thought they would be interested in me testing them in a distribution business; i should have sent a video | 01:48 |
| pleia2 | google knows everything | 01:48 |
| jthan | I know. | 01:48 |
| jedijf | cr-48'ing at 60 mph | 01:49 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 01:49 |
| jthan | "this is the yoda van. I irc from the road. Say hi to pleia2 and others." | 01:50 |
| jedijf | xactly | 01:50 |
| mikedep333 | back | 02:30 |
| ChinnoDog | this is probably a dumb question, but: I was remotely attached to my desktop when I was at work using nx. How do I attach to my session, which is still running, from my desktop now? | 03:14 |
| ChinnoDog | When I log into my desktop from my console I get a new session instead of the one I was running remotely | 03:18 |
| jedijf | ChinnoDog: i don't use nx; but i will install and play with to assist you later tonight maybe- i like these challenges | 14:39 |
| ChinnoDog | ChinnoDog: I don't think it is a question specific to nx since it is just a proxied X session. So, the real question is: If open an X session remotely, how do I open that X session when I am sitting at the console? | 14:50 |
| ChinnoDog | doh | 14:53 |
| ChinnoDog | jedijf: | 14:53 |
| ChinnoDog | morning-- | 14:53 |
| ChinnoDog | I didn't mean to talk to myself | 14:53 |
| ChinnoDog | I installed xubuntu onto a celery 466 with 128mb of RAM last night. The result was pretty horriffic. I guess puppy is the only thing that will run on it now. | 15:00 |
| jedijf | ChinnoDog: iirc that gets tricky with Xauth and magic cookies and stuffage---that's why i want to play...to remember...and talking to yourself is fine! | 15:13 |
| mikedep333 | jedijf, I like NX a lot, however I just found out that teamviewer has a linux version. | 15:31 |
| mikedep333 | teamviewer is awesome on windows at least | 15:31 |
| mikedep333 | it's free for non-commercial use | 15:31 |
| mikedep333 | and they handle connect you to hosts, working around firewalls/port-forwarding | 15:31 |
| mikedep333 | oh, ChinnoDog , you have to "disconnect" from your old session, rather than closing the session. | 15:32 |
| mikedep333 | then you should be able to resume the session | 15:33 |
| mikedep333 | this works on the proprietary NX free edition | 15:33 |
| mikedep333 | the two open source versions of NX tend to have trouble with this | 15:33 |
| mikedep333 | https://launchpad.net/~freenx-team/+archive/ppa | 15:34 |
| mikedep333 | hmm | 15:34 |
| mikedep333 | no maverick packages for the "FreeNX Stable PPA", which has both FOSS NX servers, neatx & freenx | 15:34 |
| ChinnoDog | mikedep333: I am using the proprietary one. I did not close my previous session. I lost my connection to it just before I went home yesterday. When I got home I logged into my desktop and saw I was still logged in remotely and all my apps were running, but I had no way to open my remote session. | 15:37 |
| mikedep333 | ChinnoDog, hmm, I thought you would be able to resume it if you lose the connection | 15:38 |
| ChinnoDog | I resumed the remote session from work today, but that doesn't help me open the remote session from the console at home. | 15:38 |
| mikedep333 | typically it gives you a menu to chose to resume a session or start a new one | 15:39 |
| mikedep333 | oh | 15:39 |
| mikedep333 | you mean you hvae a remote session | 15:39 |
| mikedep333 | and you want to access it from the local machine | 15:39 |
| ChinnoDog | yes | 15:39 |
| mikedep333 | I always wished I could do that ;) | 15:39 |
| mikedep333 | maybe you can do a loopback connection | 15:40 |
| ChinnoDog | lol. You want me to connect to my remote session using NX on the local machine?? that is silly | 15:40 |
| mikedep333 | I really like how windows XP/2003 and later let you seemlessly switch between a session being local or remote (over RDP) | 15:40 |
| mikedep333 | I think that while windows has enough integration between local and remote GDI, linux does not have integration like that for X | 15:41 |
| mikedep333 | but hopefully I'm wrong! | 15:41 |
| ChinnoDog | You can remotely access a linux box at a much more granular level. You can select individual GUI applications to run remotely. I simply don't know how to switch to my remote session from the workstation's console. The console sets up windows for whatever session I would like to connect to, remote or local. | 15:54 |
| mikedep333 | ChinnoDog, yeah, I've done remote X or individual apps | 16:19 |
| mikedep333 | my friend showed my GNU screen, which is awesome and I need to learn | 16:20 |
| jedijf | mikedep333: nothing to learn; just use; everyone gets nested screens in the beginning; that'spart of the learning process; once you get past that, you will be goodto go | 17:44 |
| jedijf | i even think now it scolds/warns you...something like, 'do you really want to start a screen inside a screen (dumbass implied)? | 17:45 |
| waltman | A friend of mine uses nested screens all the time. He just uses a different escape key for his "inner screens". | 17:50 |
| ChinnoDog | Why would you do that? | 17:57 |
| ChinnoDog | Don't all screens appear in the screen list no matter what level you are at? | 17:57 |
| ChinnoDog | If you had 10,000 screens to manage then using multiple levels would not make it any easier, right? | 17:58 |
| ChinnoDog | Using a naming convention to identify them seems more prudent. | 18:11 |
| jedijf | yeah, well i kinda failed at that too, i name my screen irssi, then 'create' extra screens (which aren't irssi) so the naming convention is kinda fake/false | 18:35 |
| * ssweeny usually has at least 10 screen sessions open at work and has to name them all to keep them straight | 18:43 | |
| jedijf | engineers are more orderly than breadman | 18:46 |
| JonathanD | What about bread engineers. | 18:47 |
| jedijf | There is a screen on: 3986.irssi(12/30/2010 01:14:53 PM)(Attached) | 18:47 |
| jedijf | that holds irssi, pacs_bot and an empty terminal | 18:47 |
| jedijf | ssweeny: not naming 10 sessions would be a fun day...connect ...no not that one...rd...and so on | 18:49 |
| ssweeny | oh yeah | 18:50 |
| jedijf | an exercise in linux process naming convention | 18:59 |
| ChinnoDog | screen -dr world_domination | 19:05 |
| jedijf | every once in a while i hear mention of a new screen software...but i ignore it | 19:13 |
| jedijf | new is not always better | 19:13 |
| ChinnoDog | Re: logging in a remote session locally, I think this problem arises because the DISPLAY variable is checked at app launch time. I don't know that there is any way to ever change $DISPLAY while it is running. xpra may help me though. | 19:13 |
| jedijf | the power of X windows is humbling | 19:15 |
| ChinnoDog | oh wow | 19:17 |
| ChinnoDog | xpra++ | 19:17 |
| ChinnoDog | Where is PennBot?? I was going to imbue him with knowledge. | 19:18 |
| pleia2 | I told andrew he could bring him back (I killed him last year for eating the server) | 19:19 |
| pleia2 | it just goes crazy sometimes | 19:19 |
| jedijf | The idea for Xpra was inspired after the original author's experience of attempting to use various NX technology based setups | 19:19 |
| jedijf | ChinnoDog: ^^^ see, eventually you can be first fail and then /create/ something | 19:20 |
| jedijf | thankfully though, others have failed before us, then we just have to find them :D | 19:21 |
| ChinnoDog | luckily, I did | 19:21 |
| ChinnoDog | I will have to post a howto blog on seamless low bandwidth remote access | 19:21 |
| jedijf | ChinnoDog: nah, not really...these things usually end up as awesome learning quests....then it's just the retention that fails | 19:22 |
| jedijf | blogs are good to remember stuff.. | 19:22 |
| jedijf | my hero is pleia2 ^^^^ | 19:22 |
| ChinnoDog | pleia2: eating the server is punishable by death? Surely you could have just grounded him. | 19:23 |
| ChinnoDog | Why does Ubuntu require 1gb of memory? | 23:58 |
| ChinnoDog | I'm currently using 529.2MB on this workstation, which was rebooted a little while ago | 23:59 |
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