[00:15] <lamalex> pleia2, is there any way to tell who is in #ubuntu-us-me and ask them to let me in?
[00:16] <pleia2> you can't get in?
[00:16] <pleia2> it's not +i, there are no bans
[00:16] <pleia2> you can message claydoh though, he's friendly :)
[00:17] <pleia2> oh wait, it redirects to #ubuntu-maine
[00:17] <pleia2> so if your client doesn't want to obey redirects, fail
[00:18] <jedijf> lamalex: that's almost reason enough to head back to philly
[00:19] <jedijf> can't get into ubuntu channel in maine
[00:21] <MutantTurkey> okay guys i'm back
[00:21] <lamalex> pleia2, ah ok
[00:21] <lamalex> im in -maine
[00:22] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: usb isn't lsted in the top bar :|
[00:22] <jedijf> unplug - replug - look
[00:23] <MutantTurkey> nothing
[00:23] <MutantTurkey> it does know its being charged though
[00:23] <jedijf> bad cable
[00:23] <MutantTurkey> you think?
[00:23] <MutantTurkey> these cables don't seem standard? is it lilike super double micro minature usb or something?
[00:23] <MutantTurkey> i got lost with all the different usb types
[00:24] <jedijf> when i plug mine in , i get beep, then select usb mode
[00:24] <jedijf> check your usb settings
[00:24] <jedijf> make sure debug is off
[00:24] <MutantTurkey> oh debug off alright
[00:25] <MutantTurkey> debug is off
[00:25] <jedijf> set to 'ask on connection'
[00:25] <MutantTurkey> ok
[00:25] <MutantTurkey> nothing, just vibrates and starts harging it.
[00:25] <jedijf> unplug - replug - top panel should have little usb picture - like a pitchfork
[00:26] <MutantTurkey> sadly it doesn't. you might bbe right with the cable
[00:26] <jedijf> shame i am home or i would meet you at fran something pizza and let you try mine or i try yours on my laptop
[00:26] <jedijf> can do tomorrow
[00:27] <MutantTurkey> i'll let you know
[00:27] <MutantTurkey> i think i am going down to the city
[00:27] <MutantTurkey> franconi's^^
[00:29] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, back
[00:29] <mikedep333> was reporting a bug to ReactOS, then having dinner
[00:29] <MutantTurkey> mikedep333: cool. jedijf thinks it might be the cable
[00:29] <MutantTurkey> you into reactOS? i took a look at it a few times.
[00:29] <MutantTurkey> how far are they?
[00:30] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: tail -f /var/log/messages and turn usb deb on - plug in
[00:30] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, somewhat ar
[00:30] <mikedep333> *somewhat far
[00:30] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: doesn't exist
[00:30] <mikedep333> they have lots of essential windows components in place
[00:30] <mikedep333> but they have lots of stubs
[00:30] <MutantTurkey> how large is the project?
[00:30] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: what doesn't exist
[00:30] <mikedep333> like 10 developers or so
[00:30] <MutantTurkey> the log
[00:31] <mikedep333> probably a few less
[00:31] <mikedep333> again, they can import a lot o code from wine though
[00:31] <MutantTurkey> mikedep333: wow, what is the morale like? I can only imagine a bit hopeless
[00:32] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, I stopped hanging out in their IRC channel and helping with other things like managing bug reports because I was disappointed in the progress
[00:32] <mikedep333> they said they had more developers at the time
[00:32] <mikedep333> but I think they may have had less
[00:32] <MutantTurkey> oh |:
[00:32] <mikedep333> they did lose the genius Alex Ionescu
[00:32] <mikedep333> I think he's independently wealthy or something and worked for MS for a while and stuf
[00:32] <MutantTurkey> oh wow.
[00:32] <mikedep333> he was a kernel hacker
[00:32] <mikedep333> and security expert
[00:32] <MutantTurkey> my uncle worked at microsoft for quite a long time
[00:33] <mikedep333> he wrote an elevation of privileges exploit for windows for example
[00:33] <MutantTurkey> then retired at 30ish and got bored with life so now he works 6 month projects and spends the rest of the time travelling around
[00:33]  * mikedep333 puts MutantTurkey on the watch list
[00:34] <mikedep333> up until age 30 isn't "quite a long time" IMHO
[00:34] <mikedep333> that's like 8 years out of college
[00:34] <MutantTurkey> i haven't talked to him in a while, we got in a large argument about how viable linux desktop was and that was it
[00:34] <mikedep333> wow
[00:34] <mikedep333> yeah
[00:34] <mikedep333> I was in an IT internship program at my high school
[00:34] <MutantTurkey> none of that at my highschool
[00:35] <MutantTurkey> I don't even go there anymore lol. i go to the community college instead now
[00:35] <mikedep333> http://www.lschs.org/page.cfm?p=866
[00:35] <mikedep333> and one of the former prominent members ended up working for MS
[00:36] <mikedep333> so he was badmouthing linux
[00:36] <MutantTurkey> i know a few kids who went there
[00:36] <MutantTurkey> bunch of jerks for hockey players
[00:36] <mikedep333> my friends' friend who was running linux is now working for MS
[00:37] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, one reason why I went to LSCHS was to escape being bullied by jerks at public school
[00:37] <mikedep333> lol
[00:37] <mikedep333> Program Leader: Colin McIntos
[00:37] <MutantTurkey> hahaha well i never liked public school either, like i said I basically have a dual enrollement at my high school and college, but take all my classes at montco instead
[00:37] <mikedep333> whoops
[00:37] <mikedep333> McIntosh
[00:38] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, yeah
[00:38] <MutantTurkey> having break for two more weeks is nice
[00:38] <jedijf> hey, i'm alumni
[00:38] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: lasalle?
[00:38] <mikedep333> jedijf, of LSCHS?
[00:38] <jedijf> '83 explorer here
[00:38] <mikedep333> nice!
[00:38] <mikedep333> '05 here
[00:38] <jedijf> robert russell still lying around
[00:39] <mikedep333> oh yeah
[00:39] <mikedep333> last I met him he was trying to sell "gradebooks for windows" still
[00:39] <jedijf> he was our computer/physics teacher
[00:39] <mikedep333> yeah
[00:39] <jedijf> pdp 11/34a
[00:39] <mikedep333> I had him for honors physics
[00:39] <MutantTurkey> small world eh?
[00:39] <mikedep333> maybe he left since 2005 though
[00:40] <mikedep333> http://www.lschs.org/page.cfm?p=1436
[00:40] <mikedep333> Robert Russell
[00:40] <mikedep333> whoops
[00:40] <mikedep333> Anonymous in honor of Robert Russell
[00:40] <jedijf> i worked for him in the summer too, at computer camp
[00:40] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, I like #ubuntu-us-pa because I meet people from the current town/area I'm in
[00:40] <mikedep333> jedijf, cool
[00:41] <mikedep333> jedijf, back in the mid or late 90's we added on a new wong
[00:41] <mikedep333> Peter Sigmund, the head IT person, told the school to put it 100mbit cat5 ethernet
[00:41] <mikedep333> Robert Russell however convinced the school to put it 10mbit cat4
[00:42] <mikedep333> and because it's like in the building material or whatever they were unable to upgrade it as of 2005
[00:42] <mikedep333> and keep in mind
[00:42] <MutantTurkey> mikedep333: plus you can ask about good places to eat ;)
[00:42] <jedijf> perspective; he and I were from the ONE acoustic coupler days......
[00:42] <mikedep333> all the teachers have roaming profiles on their individual laptops
[00:42] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, yes, I'm in the mood for some good turkey
[00:43] <MutantTurkey> definitly avoid the willow grove area then :p
[00:47] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, you saw my output? http://paste.ubuntu.com/550415/
[00:47] <MutantTurkey> yeah that only happened to me once
[00:48] <MutantTurkey> okay let me plug in before turning on and then have adb running
[00:51] <MutantTurkey> yeah nothing, just same old "unable to enumerate USB device"
[00:53] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, this is when it is useful to have windows system handy
[00:53] <MutantTurkey> i know right.
[00:53] <jedijf> http://paste.ubuntu.com/550448/
[00:53] <jedijf> soemthing for you two to aspire to ^^
[00:53] <jedijf> something*
[00:54] <MutantTurkey> :p
[00:55] <rmg51> andrew: what did you do to PennBot?
[01:00] <mikedep333> jedijf, oh, you have an at&t captivate too
[01:00] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: you do?
[01:00] <mikedep333> you did the update under settings > about?
[01:03] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: ^^
[01:03] <mikedep333> it is the best android phone on AT&T
[01:03] <jedijf> mikedep333: since day one
[01:03] <MutantTurkey> but did you do the update under settings > about
[01:04] <jedijf> 2.1 update1?
[01:04] <jedijf> yeah i got that
[01:04] <MutantTurkey> and your usb is still A-okay?
[01:04] <mikedep333> jedijf, there are often multiple updates
[01:04] <mikedep333> within android 2.1.1 or whatever
[01:04] <mikedep333> so please just go to settings > about > update now
[01:05] <MutantTurkey> i did
[01:05] <MutantTurkey> nothing new?
[01:05] <jedijf> i have had one update - no problems - other than they took away the tether option after the update
[01:05] <mikedep333> jedijf, there may be a 2nd one available
[01:06] <MutantTurkey> yeah i've got the only one update
[01:06] <jedijf> no updtes
[01:06] <jedijf> updates
[01:06] <mikedep333> jedijf, ok, good
[01:06] <MutantTurkey> I was thinking about rooting it and doing the CM mods, any words of wisdom against that?
[01:06] <MutantTurkey> people seem all for it.
[01:06] <jedijf> i rooted - no mods
[01:06] <jedijf> just to install what i want
[01:06] <MutantTurkey> ah right
[01:06] <mikedep333> yeah, but I don't know how AT&T will react
[01:07] <MutantTurkey> yeah I don't know either and my mom got it for me for christmas so i didn't actually talk to anyone at the stores
[01:07] <mikedep333> I have an unlocked acer phone from europe that's out of warranty, and there's a nice recovery environment, so I had no hesitations using a custom rom
[01:07] <jedijf> haven't had any problems
[01:07] <jedijf> i even tethered a ton when fios whas out for a week
[01:08] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: I think it maybe the cable, i will havefta make a few calls but i might be able to get my hands  on new one
[01:08] <jedijf> waited like 2 months to root though
[01:08] <jedijf> i bought 2 from china
[01:08] <jedijf> had to shave them a little to make them work
[01:09] <jedijf> wow, that looks weird
[01:10] <jedijf> that's why i said, maybe meet up at franc* and check it out
[01:10] <MutantTurkey> yeah, i'm sitting around on break doing nothing so whenever works for you works for me if you don't mind driving up
[01:11] <jedijf> gnome and tethering work automagically too
[01:11] <MutantTurkey> do you have unlimited data from AT&T? i've got crappy 2gb a month :|
[01:11] <jedijf> i drive by there every night on the way home - thurs will be no go - late meeting with insurance agent
[01:11] <jedijf> i have unlimited and unlimited 3g laptop card too
[01:12] <jedijf> in a $7 laptop
[01:12] <jedijf> go figure
[01:12] <MutantTurkey> $7 laptop?
[01:12] <jedijf> ibm x21 saved from recycling
[01:13] <MutantTurkey> oh nice
[01:13] <jedijf> i have a few more
[01:13] <MutantTurkey> looking to sell any?
[01:13] <jedijf> love them
[01:13] <jedijf> i give them away, when they work, plus any parts i have to add, like adapters and hd's
[01:14] <jedijf> adapters are like 10 bucks hd's (my 4-5 gig monsters) are like $7
[01:15] <jedijf> i have lots of neat old ass stuff
[01:15] <MutantTurkey> I've got a few older laptops laying around, but lack of battery life makes them pretty useless
[01:15] <jedijf> ac ftw
[01:16] <MutantTurkey> ac ftw, except that they tend to have crappy power cables and adapters that break alot
[01:16] <jedijf> actually, the x21's have a very hackable battery pack/style
[01:17] <jedijf> i have great success with the ibm adapters and all their knockoffs
[01:17] <MutantTurkey> I'd like to get my hands on a new stinkpad, i always liked them
[01:17] <jedijf> and many from that era use the ibm style adapters
[01:17] <jedijf> lots of 600's e's and x's
[01:17] <jedijf> a's
[01:18] <jedijf> i have many ibms
[01:19] <jedijf> but then again, i even like these compaq armada's 7700'ish 64 megs ram 233MHz running lupup and dsl
[01:20] <jedijf> mickey mouse adapters
[01:20] <jedijf> 9lb laptops
[01:22] <mikedep333> jedijf, I could use one!
[01:22] <mikedep333> I have tons of spare parts I could trade you
[01:22] <mikedep333> let me see what I spare parts I listed in my email
[01:22] <jedijf> mikedep333: which do you like, or do you just want any
[01:22] <mikedep333> well, more like accessories
[01:22] <jedijf> i don't need accessorites
[01:22] <mikedep333> whatever's the best equipped
[01:22] <mikedep333> preferably small
[01:22] <jedijf> that'd be the x21
[01:22] <mikedep333> let me google it
[01:23] <jedijf> i'll check my inventory
[01:23] <mikedep333> I have a ton of cables right now
[01:23] <MutantTurkey> haha i have like six or seven armadas
[01:23] <jedijf> i just got 10 new(old) in pristine condition
[01:24] <mikedep333> wow
[01:24] <MutantTurkey> do you say micky mouse adapters, because of the weird plugs right?
[01:24] <jedijf> want to use for an ltsp demo setup
[01:24] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: yep - looks like mm silhoette
[01:24] <MutantTurkey> I have an old toughbook that i'd like to get booted up
[01:25] <jedijf> i have tons of hd's if you need that
[01:25] <MutantTurkey> it has an weird adapter i need to order i think
[01:25] <mikedep333> jedijf, I like messing around with LTSP
[01:25] <MutantTurkey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Toughbook-cf-m34_4.jpg pretty close to that look
[01:25] <jedijf> mikedep333: me too; can't figure out why i doesn't catch on more
[01:26] <mikedep333> jedijf, well, multimedia on it is slow
[01:26] <jedijf> tv's are for multimedia - computers are for computing
[01:26] <MutantTurkey> i have countless video cards that are completely useless now also
[01:26] <jedijf> like gaming consoles are for games
[01:26] <MutantTurkey> since i got rid of almost all of my towers
[01:26] <mikedep333> jedijf, also, it's a huge hassle to get proprietary video drivers working on them
[01:27] <mikedep333> I'm moving into my new apartment in King of Prussia with FIOS
[01:27] <mikedep333> to get 25/25mbit internet alone, you have to spend $70/month w/ a 1 year contract
[01:27] <mikedep333> it's $10 or $15 more for no contract
[01:28] <jedijf> mikedep333: i haven't had any issues so far, maybe just lucky
[01:28] <mikedep333> so I'm probably going with a TV package bundled for like $100, and no contract
[01:28] <mikedep333> jedijf, you aren't using modern ATI and Nvidia graphics adapters
[01:28] <mikedep333> I presume
[01:28] <jedijf> what is this 'modern' you speak of
[01:28] <mikedep333> something along the lines of a geforce 6200 dedicated or higher
[01:29] <jedijf> why would i need that?
[01:29] <mikedep333> which many integrated graphics today are better than
[01:29] <mikedep333> jedijf, my users like to use the internet on computers for video
[01:29] <mikedep333> and for some very basic 3D at least
[01:30] <mikedep333> this won't be using LTSP, but my desktop has a 1440p monitor now, and no TV signal can deliver 1440p
[01:30] <jthan> lamalex: DUDE! Long time no see. I saw on fb and I'm pretty sure I even commented to ask what you were building, but I didn't get a response.
[01:31] <jthan> What kind of bike? Gimme details!
[01:31] <jedijf> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[01:31] <mikedep333> jedijf, yeah, a GMA950
[01:31] <mikedep333> wait
[01:31] <jedijf> in my netbook ^^^ compiz works in my dell 6000
[01:31] <mikedep333> is that the ULV netbook version?
[01:31] <mikedep333> the netbook version of the 950 is far weaker than the laptop/desktop version
[01:31] <mikedep333> I learned that the hard way
[01:32] <jthan> jedijf: what's your deal? I have a 950 in my MC
[01:32] <jthan> MB*
[01:32] <jedijf> compiz /may/ work in this netbook - i can't remember - works in my old tosh satellite too
[01:32] <jthan> lamalex: also - you heard of State Bicycle Co.? I kinda like their bikes.. Almost outgrowing my Track so I'm going to start looking soon.. Something on the cheap probably.
[01:32] <mikedep333> jedijf, it will run, it just won't go very smooth or handle lots of effects
[01:33] <mikedep333> my netbook has an ULV core 2 solo @1.4ghz and an ULV GMA4500MHD
[01:33] <mikedep333> so again, the intel GMA 4500 is underclocked
[01:33] <mikedep333> it can do 720P video though
[01:34] <jedijf> video / audio all frills
[01:35] <jedijf> how's the ascii art look?
[01:35] <jthan> I could never get mine to work. But that was back in... 9.x? Maybe even Intrepid.
[01:35] <jthan> Was in Intrepid 8.10?
[01:35]  * jthan can't think back that far
[01:35] <jthan> Would have to be. 8.04 was hardy. Can't ever forget my favorite release.
[01:35] <jedijf> your macbook was just a fail
[01:36] <jedijf> hd
[01:36] <jedijf> video
[01:36] <jedijf> user
[01:36] <jedijf> all fail
[01:36] <jthan> Yes I know my MacBook was just a fail.
[01:36] <mikedep333> my macbook has a Geforce 9400
[01:36] <jthan> Debian, Gentoo, Ubuntu, openSUSE
[01:36] <mikedep333> it's pretty good
[01:36] <mikedep333> it's very fast for integrated
[01:36] <jthan> Gentoo had the most stuff working I'd say
[01:36] <jedijf> after 6 months
[01:36] <jthan> Wireless was a dirty <choice word> no matter how you look at it
[01:36] <jthan> Lol. 6 months of compiling, maybe.
[01:37] <jthan> probably a year til it was usable.
[01:37] <mikedep333> jthan, I hate how apple uses the boradcom wi-fi
[01:37] <jthan> Ugh. tell me about it.
[01:37] <jthan> jedijf: I learned more using Gentoo than I ever did using Ubuntu, so I can't say much.
[01:37] <mikedep333> although their 1st party driver supports newer chips like mine fairly well
[01:37] <jedijf> jthan: true
[01:38] <jthan> If  bts3685|1ps would ever show his face... I owe him countless hours too
[01:38] <jedijf> or, more to the point, you learned more trying to use Gentoo than /suing/ Ubuntu
[01:38] <mikedep333> my dell d500 from 2003 (pentium-m 1.3 ghz) had an old 802.11g broadcom
[01:38] <mikedep333> it was terrible
[01:38] <jthan> Lol.  On my Desktop Gentoo was very successful.
[01:38] <mikedep333> it also overheated on my bed
[01:39] <jthan> Lol. Yeah. I honestly would never buy a computer with broadcom wireless if I knew I was going to put linux on it at this point.
[01:39] <jthan> I'd go for atheros or something DEFINITELY supported.
[01:39] <mikedep333> jthan, linux would be a lot more successful iff everyone used desktops
[01:39] <jedijf> broadcom support ahs improved greatly
[01:39] <jedijf> has
[01:39] <jthan> Sadly, you're right.
[01:39] <jedijf> for a long while now
[01:39] <mikedep333> jthan, my netbook has intel w-fi, so hurray
[01:39] <jthan> We had a guy (kid?) in here once that couldn't get his intel wireless working to save any of our lives
[01:39] <jthan> I don't think I ever used it
[01:40] <mikedep333> jthan, I've heard of some problems, but with the low bitrate aside, my intel wi-fi has always worked out of the box with ubuntu
[01:40] <pleia2> I fought with a new intel card (had to go with a 2.6.32 kernel) and a rektek last week
[01:40] <mikedep333> even on the live CD
[01:40] <pleia2> and neither were wifi :(
[01:41] <pleia2> s/rektek/realtek
[01:41] <jthan> pleia2: that makes me sad
[01:41] <jedijf> pleia2: you have no luck with any nics
[01:41] <jedijf> wired or wireless
[01:41] <pleia2> it's true
[01:41] <pleia2> I am not meant to be online
[01:41] <jthan> that's why you got a smart phone w/ SSH
[01:42] <mikedep333> jthan, and a physical keyboard preferably
[01:42] <pleia2> I'm on a train tethering through my phone right now
[01:42] <pleia2> the broadcom on my netbook works fine, not touching it
[01:42] <pleia2> 8.04 is lovely
[01:42] <pleia2> :P
[01:42] <jedijf> another ubu event
[01:42] <mikedep333> pleia2, wow
[01:42] <pleia2> nah, going to ikea tonight
[01:42] <jthan> I LOVE Hardy. Still use it on my home server
[01:42] <pleia2> meeting mjoseph for dinner, then ikea!
[01:42] <jthan> Get me some meatballs
[01:43] <jedijf> ikea has meatballs
[01:43] <pleia2> haha
[01:43] <jthan> jedijf: the best
[01:43] <pleia2> they are pretty tastey
[01:43] <jedijf> yes i know, saying no need for dinner first
[01:43] <pleia2> I am eating dinner at the goog
[01:43] <jedijf> and dingleberry sauce (or something)
[01:43] <pleia2> it's good (and free)
[01:43] <jthan> What can you get there?
[01:43] <pleia2> lots of things
[01:44] <jedijf> google burgers and adnriod fries
[01:44] <jthan> Would I have been better off asking what you can't get?
[01:44] <pleia2> indian, chinese, mexican, american, italian, and then some specials
[01:44] <pleia2> they have other campus restaurants too, but guests cant go to those
[01:46] <jthan> Still sounds fun.
[01:46] <pleia2> it's more fun when it's not dark and we can go outside and play
[01:46] <pleia2> see the dinosaur and the android
[01:47] <jedijf> pleia2: while you're there ask them why i didn't get a cr-48 please
[01:47] <pleia2> haha
[01:47] <pleia2> I didn't get one either
[01:48] <jthan> Me neither :-(
[01:48] <pleia2> I did get to play with one at an ubuntu hour last week though
[01:48] <jthan> Google probably knows I'm not 18 though. :-P
[01:48] <pleia2> they are pretty slick
[01:48] <jedijf> i really thought they would be interested in me testing them in a distribution business; i should have sent a video
[01:48] <pleia2> google knows everything
[01:48] <jthan> I know.
[01:49] <jedijf> cr-48'ing at 60 mph
[01:49] <pleia2> hehe
[01:50] <jthan> "this is the yoda van. I irc from the road. Say hi to pleia2 and others."
[01:50] <jedijf> xactly
[02:30] <mikedep333> back
[03:14] <ChinnoDog> this is probably a dumb question, but: I was remotely attached to my desktop when I was at work using nx. How do I attach to my session, which is still running, from my desktop now?
[03:18] <ChinnoDog> When I log into my desktop from my console I get a new session instead of the one I was running remotely
[14:39] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: i don't use nx; but i will install and play with to assist you later tonight maybe- i like these challenges
[14:50] <ChinnoDog> ChinnoDog: I don't think it is a question specific to nx since it is just a proxied X session. So, the real question is: If open an X session remotely, how do I open that X session when I am sitting at the console?
[14:53] <ChinnoDog> doh
[14:53] <ChinnoDog> jedijf:
[14:53] <ChinnoDog> morning--
[14:53] <ChinnoDog> I didn't mean to talk to myself
[15:00] <ChinnoDog> I installed xubuntu onto a celery 466 with 128mb of RAM last night. The result was pretty horriffic.  I guess puppy is the only thing that will run on it now.
[15:13] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: iirc that gets tricky with Xauth and magic cookies and stuffage---that's why i want to play...to remember...and talking to yourself is fine!
[15:31] <mikedep333> jedijf, I like NX a lot, however I just found out that teamviewer has a linux version.
[15:31] <mikedep333> teamviewer is awesome on windows at least
[15:31] <mikedep333> it's free for non-commercial use
[15:31] <mikedep333> and they handle connect you to hosts, working around firewalls/port-forwarding
[15:32] <mikedep333> oh, ChinnoDog , you have to "disconnect" from your old session, rather than closing the session.
[15:33] <mikedep333> then you should be able to resume the session
[15:33] <mikedep333> this works on the proprietary NX free edition
[15:33] <mikedep333> the two open source versions of NX tend to have trouble with this
[15:34] <mikedep333> https://launchpad.net/~freenx-team/+archive/ppa
[15:34] <mikedep333> hmm
[15:34] <mikedep333> no maverick packages for the "FreeNX Stable PPA", which has both FOSS NX servers, neatx & freenx
[15:37] <ChinnoDog> mikedep333: I am using the proprietary one. I did not close my previous session. I lost my connection to it just before I went home yesterday. When I got home I logged into my desktop and saw I was still logged in remotely and all my apps were running, but I had no way to open my remote session.
[15:38] <mikedep333> ChinnoDog, hmm, I thought you would be able to resume it if you lose the connection
[15:38] <ChinnoDog> I resumed the remote session from work today, but that doesn't help me open the remote session from the console at home.
[15:39] <mikedep333> typically it gives you a menu to chose to resume a session or start a new one
[15:39] <mikedep333> oh
[15:39] <mikedep333> you mean you hvae a remote session
[15:39] <mikedep333> and you want to access it from the local machine
[15:39] <ChinnoDog> yes
[15:39] <mikedep333> I always wished I could do that ;)
[15:40] <mikedep333> maybe you can do a loopback connection
[15:40] <ChinnoDog> lol. You want me to connect to my remote session using NX on the local machine?? that is silly
[15:40] <mikedep333> I really like how windows XP/2003 and later let you seemlessly switch between a session being local or remote (over RDP)
[15:41] <mikedep333> I think that while windows has enough integration between local and remote GDI, linux does not have integration like that for X
[15:41] <mikedep333> but hopefully I'm wrong!
[15:54] <ChinnoDog> You can remotely access a linux box at a much more granular level. You can select individual GUI applications to run remotely. I simply don't know how to switch to my remote session from the workstation's console. The console sets up windows for whatever session I would like to connect to, remote or local.
[16:19] <mikedep333> ChinnoDog, yeah, I've done remote X or individual apps
[16:20] <mikedep333> my friend showed my GNU screen, which is awesome and I need to learn
[17:44] <jedijf> mikedep333: nothing to learn; just use; everyone gets nested screens in the beginning; that'spart of the learning process; once you get past that, you will be goodto go
[17:45] <jedijf> i even think now it scolds/warns you...something like, 'do you really want to start a screen inside a screen (dumbass implied)?
[17:50] <waltman> A friend of mine uses nested screens all the time.  He just uses a different escape key for his "inner screens".
[17:57] <ChinnoDog> Why would you do that?
[17:57] <ChinnoDog> Don't all screens appear in the screen list no matter what level you are at?
[17:58] <ChinnoDog> If you had 10,000 screens to manage then using multiple levels would not make it any easier, right?
[18:11] <ChinnoDog> Using a naming convention to identify them seems more prudent.
[18:35] <jedijf> yeah, well i kinda failed at that too, i name my screen irssi, then 'create' extra screens (which aren't irssi) so the naming convention is kinda fake/false
[18:43]  * ssweeny usually has at least 10 screen sessions open at work and has to name them all to keep them straight
[18:46] <jedijf> engineers are more orderly than breadman
[18:47] <JonathanD> What about bread engineers.
[18:47] <jedijf> There is a screen on: 3986.irssi	(12/30/2010 01:14:53 PM)	(Attached)
[18:47] <jedijf> that holds irssi, pacs_bot and an empty terminal
[18:49] <jedijf> ssweeny: not naming 10 sessions would be a fun day...connect ...no not that one...rd...and so on
[18:50] <ssweeny> oh yeah
[18:59] <jedijf> an exercise in linux process naming convention
[19:05] <ChinnoDog> screen -dr world_domination
[19:13] <jedijf> every once in a while i hear mention of a new screen software...but i ignore it
[19:13] <jedijf> new is not always better
[19:13] <ChinnoDog> Re: logging in a remote session locally, I think this problem arises because the DISPLAY variable is checked at app launch time. I don't know that there is any way to ever change $DISPLAY while it is running. xpra may help me though.
[19:15] <jedijf> the power of X windows is humbling
[19:17] <ChinnoDog> oh wow
[19:17] <ChinnoDog> xpra++
[19:18] <ChinnoDog> Where is PennBot?? I was going to imbue him with knowledge.
[19:19] <pleia2> I told andrew he could bring him back (I killed him last year for eating the server)
[19:19] <pleia2> it just goes crazy sometimes
[19:19] <jedijf> The idea for Xpra was inspired after the original author's experience of attempting to use various NX technology based setups
[19:20] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: ^^^ see, eventually you can be first fail and then /create/ something
[19:21] <jedijf> thankfully though, others have failed before us, then we just have to find them :D
[19:21] <ChinnoDog> luckily, I did
[19:21] <ChinnoDog> I will have to post a howto blog on seamless low bandwidth remote access
[19:22] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: nah, not really...these things usually end up as awesome learning quests....then it's just the retention that fails
[19:22] <jedijf> blogs are good to remember stuff..
[19:22] <jedijf> my hero is pleia2 ^^^^
[19:23] <ChinnoDog> pleia2: eating the server is punishable by death? Surely you could have just grounded him.
[23:58] <ChinnoDog> Why does Ubuntu require 1gb of memory?
[23:59] <ChinnoDog> I'm currently using 529.2MB on this workstation, which was rebooted a little while ago