[00:15] pleia2, is there any way to tell who is in #ubuntu-us-me and ask them to let me in? [00:16] you can't get in? [00:16] it's not +i, there are no bans [00:16] you can message claydoh though, he's friendly :) [00:17] oh wait, it redirects to #ubuntu-maine [00:17] so if your client doesn't want to obey redirects, fail [00:18] lamalex: that's almost reason enough to head back to philly [00:19] can't get into ubuntu channel in maine [00:21] okay guys i'm back [00:21] pleia2, ah ok [00:21] im in -maine [00:22] jedijf: usb isn't lsted in the top bar :| [00:22] unplug - replug - look [00:23] nothing [00:23] it does know its being charged though [00:23] bad cable [00:23] you think? [00:23] these cables don't seem standard? is it lilike super double micro minature usb or something? [00:23] i got lost with all the different usb types [00:24] when i plug mine in , i get beep, then select usb mode [00:24] check your usb settings [00:24] make sure debug is off [00:24] oh debug off alright [00:25] debug is off [00:25] set to 'ask on connection' [00:25] ok [00:25] nothing, just vibrates and starts harging it. [00:25] unplug - replug - top panel should have little usb picture - like a pitchfork [00:26] sadly it doesn't. you might bbe right with the cable [00:26] shame i am home or i would meet you at fran something pizza and let you try mine or i try yours on my laptop [00:26] can do tomorrow [00:27] i'll let you know [00:27] i think i am going down to the city [00:27] franconi's^^ [00:29] MutantTurkey, back [00:29] was reporting a bug to ReactOS, then having dinner [00:29] mikedep333: cool. jedijf thinks it might be the cable [00:29] you into reactOS? i took a look at it a few times. [00:29] how far are they? [00:30] MutantTurkey: tail -f /var/log/messages and turn usb deb on - plug in [00:30] MutantTurkey, somewhat ar [00:30] *somewhat far [00:30] jedijf: doesn't exist [00:30] they have lots of essential windows components in place [00:30] but they have lots of stubs [00:30] how large is the project? [00:30] MutantTurkey: what doesn't exist [00:30] like 10 developers or so [00:30] the log [00:31] probably a few less [00:31] again, they can import a lot o code from wine though [00:31] mikedep333: wow, what is the morale like? I can only imagine a bit hopeless [00:32] MutantTurkey, I stopped hanging out in their IRC channel and helping with other things like managing bug reports because I was disappointed in the progress [00:32] they said they had more developers at the time [00:32] but I think they may have had less [00:32] oh |: [00:32] they did lose the genius Alex Ionescu [00:32] I think he's independently wealthy or something and worked for MS for a while and stuf [00:32] oh wow. [00:32] he was a kernel hacker [00:32] and security expert [00:32] my uncle worked at microsoft for quite a long time [00:33] he wrote an elevation of privileges exploit for windows for example [00:33] then retired at 30ish and got bored with life so now he works 6 month projects and spends the rest of the time travelling around [00:33] * mikedep333 puts MutantTurkey on the watch list [00:34] up until age 30 isn't "quite a long time" IMHO [00:34] that's like 8 years out of college [00:34] i haven't talked to him in a while, we got in a large argument about how viable linux desktop was and that was it [00:34] wow [00:34] yeah [00:34] I was in an IT internship program at my high school [00:34] none of that at my highschool [00:35] I don't even go there anymore lol. i go to the community college instead now [00:35] http://www.lschs.org/page.cfm?p=866 [00:35] and one of the former prominent members ended up working for MS [00:36] so he was badmouthing linux [00:36] i know a few kids who went there [00:36] bunch of jerks for hockey players [00:36] my friends' friend who was running linux is now working for MS [00:37] MutantTurkey, one reason why I went to LSCHS was to escape being bullied by jerks at public school [00:37] lol [00:37] Program Leader: Colin McIntos [00:37] hahaha well i never liked public school either, like i said I basically have a dual enrollement at my high school and college, but take all my classes at montco instead [00:37] whoops [00:37] McIntosh [00:38] MutantTurkey, yeah [00:38] having break for two more weeks is nice [00:38] hey, i'm alumni [00:38] jedijf: lasalle? [00:38] jedijf, of LSCHS? [00:38] '83 explorer here [00:38] nice! [00:38] '05 here [00:38] robert russell still lying around [00:39] oh yeah [00:39] last I met him he was trying to sell "gradebooks for windows" still [00:39] he was our computer/physics teacher [00:39] yeah [00:39] pdp 11/34a [00:39] I had him for honors physics [00:39] small world eh? [00:39] maybe he left since 2005 though [00:40] http://www.lschs.org/page.cfm?p=1436 [00:40] Robert Russell [00:40] whoops [00:40] Anonymous in honor of Robert Russell [00:40] i worked for him in the summer too, at computer camp [00:40] MutantTurkey, I like #ubuntu-us-pa because I meet people from the current town/area I'm in [00:40] jedijf, cool [00:41] jedijf, back in the mid or late 90's we added on a new wong [00:41] Peter Sigmund, the head IT person, told the school to put it 100mbit cat5 ethernet [00:41] Robert Russell however convinced the school to put it 10mbit cat4 [00:42] and because it's like in the building material or whatever they were unable to upgrade it as of 2005 [00:42] and keep in mind [00:42] mikedep333: plus you can ask about good places to eat ;) [00:42] perspective; he and I were from the ONE acoustic coupler days...... [00:42] all the teachers have roaming profiles on their individual laptops [00:42] MutantTurkey, yes, I'm in the mood for some good turkey [00:43] definitly avoid the willow grove area then :p [00:47] MutantTurkey, you saw my output? http://paste.ubuntu.com/550415/ [00:47] yeah that only happened to me once [00:48] okay let me plug in before turning on and then have adb running [00:51] yeah nothing, just same old "unable to enumerate USB device" [00:53] MutantTurkey, this is when it is useful to have windows system handy [00:53] i know right. [00:53] http://paste.ubuntu.com/550448/ [00:53] soemthing for you two to aspire to ^^ [00:53] something* [00:54] :p [00:55] andrew: what did you do to PennBot? [01:00] jedijf, oh, you have an at&t captivate too [01:00] jedijf: you do? [01:00] you did the update under settings > about? [01:03] jedijf: ^^ [01:03] it is the best android phone on AT&T [01:03] mikedep333: since day one [01:03] but did you do the update under settings > about [01:04] 2.1 update1? [01:04] yeah i got that [01:04] and your usb is still A-okay? [01:04] jedijf, there are often multiple updates [01:04] within android 2.1.1 or whatever [01:04] so please just go to settings > about > update now [01:05] i did [01:05] nothing new? [01:05] i have had one update - no problems - other than they took away the tether option after the update [01:05] jedijf, there may be a 2nd one available [01:06] yeah i've got the only one update [01:06] no updtes [01:06] updates [01:06] jedijf, ok, good [01:06] I was thinking about rooting it and doing the CM mods, any words of wisdom against that? [01:06] people seem all for it. [01:06] i rooted - no mods [01:06] just to install what i want [01:06] ah right [01:06] yeah, but I don't know how AT&T will react [01:07] yeah I don't know either and my mom got it for me for christmas so i didn't actually talk to anyone at the stores [01:07] I have an unlocked acer phone from europe that's out of warranty, and there's a nice recovery environment, so I had no hesitations using a custom rom [01:07] haven't had any problems [01:07] i even tethered a ton when fios whas out for a week [01:08] jedijf: I think it maybe the cable, i will havefta make a few calls but i might be able to get my hands on new one [01:08] waited like 2 months to root though [01:08] i bought 2 from china [01:08] had to shave them a little to make them work [01:09] wow, that looks weird [01:10] that's why i said, maybe meet up at franc* and check it out [01:10] yeah, i'm sitting around on break doing nothing so whenever works for you works for me if you don't mind driving up [01:11] gnome and tethering work automagically too [01:11] do you have unlimited data from AT&T? i've got crappy 2gb a month :| [01:11] i drive by there every night on the way home - thurs will be no go - late meeting with insurance agent [01:11] i have unlimited and unlimited 3g laptop card too [01:12] in a $7 laptop [01:12] go figure [01:12] $7 laptop? [01:12] ibm x21 saved from recycling [01:13] oh nice [01:13] i have a few more [01:13] looking to sell any? [01:13] love them [01:13] i give them away, when they work, plus any parts i have to add, like adapters and hd's [01:14] adapters are like 10 bucks hd's (my 4-5 gig monsters) are like $7 [01:15] i have lots of neat old ass stuff [01:15] I've got a few older laptops laying around, but lack of battery life makes them pretty useless [01:15] ac ftw [01:16] ac ftw, except that they tend to have crappy power cables and adapters that break alot [01:16] actually, the x21's have a very hackable battery pack/style [01:17] i have great success with the ibm adapters and all their knockoffs [01:17] I'd like to get my hands on a new stinkpad, i always liked them [01:17] and many from that era use the ibm style adapters [01:17] lots of 600's e's and x's [01:17] a's [01:18] i have many ibms [01:19] but then again, i even like these compaq armada's 7700'ish 64 megs ram 233MHz running lupup and dsl [01:20] mickey mouse adapters [01:20] 9lb laptops [01:22] jedijf, I could use one! [01:22] I have tons of spare parts I could trade you [01:22] let me see what I spare parts I listed in my email [01:22] mikedep333: which do you like, or do you just want any [01:22] well, more like accessories [01:22] i don't need accessorites [01:22] whatever's the best equipped [01:22] preferably small [01:22] that'd be the x21 [01:22] let me google it [01:23] i'll check my inventory [01:23] I have a ton of cables right now [01:23] haha i have like six or seven armadas [01:23] i just got 10 new(old) in pristine condition [01:24] wow [01:24] do you say micky mouse adapters, because of the weird plugs right? [01:24] want to use for an ltsp demo setup [01:24] MutantTurkey: yep - looks like mm silhoette [01:24] I have an old toughbook that i'd like to get booted up [01:25] i have tons of hd's if you need that [01:25] it has an weird adapter i need to order i think [01:25] jedijf, I like messing around with LTSP [01:25] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Toughbook-cf-m34_4.jpg pretty close to that look [01:25] mikedep333: me too; can't figure out why i doesn't catch on more [01:26] jedijf, well, multimedia on it is slow [01:26] tv's are for multimedia - computers are for computing [01:26] i have countless video cards that are completely useless now also [01:26] like gaming consoles are for games [01:26] since i got rid of almost all of my towers [01:26] jedijf, also, it's a huge hassle to get proprietary video drivers working on them [01:27] I'm moving into my new apartment in King of Prussia with FIOS [01:27] to get 25/25mbit internet alone, you have to spend $70/month w/ a 1 year contract [01:27] it's $10 or $15 more for no contract [01:28] mikedep333: i haven't had any issues so far, maybe just lucky [01:28] so I'm probably going with a TV package bundled for like $100, and no contract [01:28] jedijf, you aren't using modern ATI and Nvidia graphics adapters [01:28] I presume [01:28] what is this 'modern' you speak of [01:28] something along the lines of a geforce 6200 dedicated or higher [01:29] why would i need that? [01:29] which many integrated graphics today are better than [01:29] jedijf, my users like to use the internet on computers for video [01:29] and for some very basic 3D at least [01:30] this won't be using LTSP, but my desktop has a 1440p monitor now, and no TV signal can deliver 1440p [01:30] lamalex: DUDE! Long time no see. I saw on fb and I'm pretty sure I even commented to ask what you were building, but I didn't get a response. [01:31] What kind of bike? Gimme details! [01:31] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) [01:31] jedijf, yeah, a GMA950 [01:31] wait [01:31] in my netbook ^^^ compiz works in my dell 6000 [01:31] is that the ULV netbook version? [01:31] the netbook version of the 950 is far weaker than the laptop/desktop version [01:31] I learned that the hard way [01:32] jedijf: what's your deal? I have a 950 in my MC [01:32] MB* [01:32] compiz /may/ work in this netbook - i can't remember - works in my old tosh satellite too [01:32] lamalex: also - you heard of State Bicycle Co.? I kinda like their bikes.. Almost outgrowing my Track so I'm going to start looking soon.. Something on the cheap probably. [01:32] jedijf, it will run, it just won't go very smooth or handle lots of effects [01:33] my netbook has an ULV core 2 solo @1.4ghz and an ULV GMA4500MHD [01:33] so again, the intel GMA 4500 is underclocked [01:33] it can do 720P video though [01:34] video / audio all frills [01:35] how's the ascii art look? [01:35] I could never get mine to work. But that was back in... 9.x? Maybe even Intrepid. [01:35] Was in Intrepid 8.10? [01:35] * jthan can't think back that far [01:35] Would have to be. 8.04 was hardy. Can't ever forget my favorite release. [01:35] your macbook was just a fail [01:36] hd [01:36] video [01:36] user [01:36] all fail [01:36] Yes I know my MacBook was just a fail. [01:36] my macbook has a Geforce 9400 [01:36] Debian, Gentoo, Ubuntu, openSUSE [01:36] it's pretty good [01:36] it's very fast for integrated [01:36] Gentoo had the most stuff working I'd say [01:36] after 6 months [01:36] Wireless was a dirty no matter how you look at it [01:36] Lol. 6 months of compiling, maybe. [01:37] probably a year til it was usable. [01:37] jthan, I hate how apple uses the boradcom wi-fi [01:37] Ugh. tell me about it. [01:37] jedijf: I learned more using Gentoo than I ever did using Ubuntu, so I can't say much. [01:37] although their 1st party driver supports newer chips like mine fairly well [01:37] jthan: true [01:38] If bts3685|1ps would ever show his face... I owe him countless hours too [01:38] or, more to the point, you learned more trying to use Gentoo than /suing/ Ubuntu [01:38] my dell d500 from 2003 (pentium-m 1.3 ghz) had an old 802.11g broadcom [01:38] it was terrible [01:38] Lol. On my Desktop Gentoo was very successful. [01:38] it also overheated on my bed [01:39] Lol. Yeah. I honestly would never buy a computer with broadcom wireless if I knew I was going to put linux on it at this point. [01:39] I'd go for atheros or something DEFINITELY supported. [01:39] jthan, linux would be a lot more successful iff everyone used desktops [01:39] broadcom support ahs improved greatly [01:39] has [01:39] Sadly, you're right. [01:39] for a long while now [01:39] jthan, my netbook has intel w-fi, so hurray [01:39] We had a guy (kid?) in here once that couldn't get his intel wireless working to save any of our lives [01:39] I don't think I ever used it [01:40] jthan, I've heard of some problems, but with the low bitrate aside, my intel wi-fi has always worked out of the box with ubuntu [01:40] I fought with a new intel card (had to go with a 2.6.32 kernel) and a rektek last week [01:40] even on the live CD [01:40] and neither were wifi :( [01:41] s/rektek/realtek [01:41] pleia2: that makes me sad [01:41] pleia2: you have no luck with any nics [01:41] wired or wireless [01:41] it's true [01:41] I am not meant to be online [01:41] that's why you got a smart phone w/ SSH [01:42] jthan, and a physical keyboard preferably [01:42] I'm on a train tethering through my phone right now [01:42] the broadcom on my netbook works fine, not touching it [01:42] 8.04 is lovely [01:42] :P [01:42] another ubu event [01:42] pleia2, wow [01:42] nah, going to ikea tonight [01:42] I LOVE Hardy. Still use it on my home server [01:42] meeting mjoseph for dinner, then ikea! [01:42] Get me some meatballs [01:43] ikea has meatballs [01:43] haha [01:43] jedijf: the best [01:43] they are pretty tastey [01:43] yes i know, saying no need for dinner first [01:43] I am eating dinner at the goog [01:43] and dingleberry sauce (or something) [01:43] it's good (and free) [01:43] What can you get there? [01:43] lots of things [01:44] google burgers and adnriod fries [01:44] Would I have been better off asking what you can't get? [01:44] indian, chinese, mexican, american, italian, and then some specials [01:44] they have other campus restaurants too, but guests cant go to those [01:46] Still sounds fun. [01:46] it's more fun when it's not dark and we can go outside and play [01:46] see the dinosaur and the android [01:47] pleia2: while you're there ask them why i didn't get a cr-48 please [01:47] haha [01:47] I didn't get one either [01:48] Me neither :-( [01:48] I did get to play with one at an ubuntu hour last week though [01:48] Google probably knows I'm not 18 though. :-P [01:48] they are pretty slick [01:48] i really thought they would be interested in me testing them in a distribution business; i should have sent a video [01:48] google knows everything [01:48] I know. [01:49] cr-48'ing at 60 mph [01:49] hehe [01:50] "this is the yoda van. I irc from the road. Say hi to pleia2 and others." [01:50] xactly [02:30] back [03:14] this is probably a dumb question, but: I was remotely attached to my desktop when I was at work using nx. How do I attach to my session, which is still running, from my desktop now? [03:18] When I log into my desktop from my console I get a new session instead of the one I was running remotely [14:39] ChinnoDog: i don't use nx; but i will install and play with to assist you later tonight maybe- i like these challenges [14:50] ChinnoDog: I don't think it is a question specific to nx since it is just a proxied X session. So, the real question is: If open an X session remotely, how do I open that X session when I am sitting at the console? [14:53] doh [14:53] jedijf: [14:53] morning-- [14:53] I didn't mean to talk to myself [15:00] I installed xubuntu onto a celery 466 with 128mb of RAM last night. The result was pretty horriffic. I guess puppy is the only thing that will run on it now. [15:13] ChinnoDog: iirc that gets tricky with Xauth and magic cookies and stuffage---that's why i want to play...to remember...and talking to yourself is fine! [15:31] jedijf, I like NX a lot, however I just found out that teamviewer has a linux version. [15:31] teamviewer is awesome on windows at least [15:31] it's free for non-commercial use [15:31] and they handle connect you to hosts, working around firewalls/port-forwarding [15:32] oh, ChinnoDog , you have to "disconnect" from your old session, rather than closing the session. [15:33] then you should be able to resume the session [15:33] this works on the proprietary NX free edition [15:33] the two open source versions of NX tend to have trouble with this [15:34] https://launchpad.net/~freenx-team/+archive/ppa [15:34] hmm [15:34] no maverick packages for the "FreeNX Stable PPA", which has both FOSS NX servers, neatx & freenx [15:37] mikedep333: I am using the proprietary one. I did not close my previous session. I lost my connection to it just before I went home yesterday. When I got home I logged into my desktop and saw I was still logged in remotely and all my apps were running, but I had no way to open my remote session. [15:38] ChinnoDog, hmm, I thought you would be able to resume it if you lose the connection [15:38] I resumed the remote session from work today, but that doesn't help me open the remote session from the console at home. [15:39] typically it gives you a menu to chose to resume a session or start a new one [15:39] oh [15:39] you mean you hvae a remote session [15:39] and you want to access it from the local machine [15:39] yes [15:39] I always wished I could do that ;) [15:40] maybe you can do a loopback connection [15:40] lol. You want me to connect to my remote session using NX on the local machine?? that is silly [15:40] I really like how windows XP/2003 and later let you seemlessly switch between a session being local or remote (over RDP) [15:41] I think that while windows has enough integration between local and remote GDI, linux does not have integration like that for X [15:41] but hopefully I'm wrong! [15:54] You can remotely access a linux box at a much more granular level. You can select individual GUI applications to run remotely. I simply don't know how to switch to my remote session from the workstation's console. The console sets up windows for whatever session I would like to connect to, remote or local. [16:19] ChinnoDog, yeah, I've done remote X or individual apps [16:20] my friend showed my GNU screen, which is awesome and I need to learn [17:44] mikedep333: nothing to learn; just use; everyone gets nested screens in the beginning; that'spart of the learning process; once you get past that, you will be goodto go [17:45] i even think now it scolds/warns you...something like, 'do you really want to start a screen inside a screen (dumbass implied)? [17:50] A friend of mine uses nested screens all the time. He just uses a different escape key for his "inner screens". [17:57] Why would you do that? [17:57] Don't all screens appear in the screen list no matter what level you are at? [17:58] If you had 10,000 screens to manage then using multiple levels would not make it any easier, right? [18:11] Using a naming convention to identify them seems more prudent. [18:35] yeah, well i kinda failed at that too, i name my screen irssi, then 'create' extra screens (which aren't irssi) so the naming convention is kinda fake/false [18:43] * ssweeny usually has at least 10 screen sessions open at work and has to name them all to keep them straight [18:46] engineers are more orderly than breadman [18:47] What about bread engineers. [18:47]