[05:07] hey there [05:08] what ide is everyone using to work on bite size bugs? [05:09] buck20: you can use any IDE you want [05:10] right but im a total noob to unity, would love a suggestion and a couple pointers to setting up a test environment.... [05:16] maybe a link to a tutorial? [08:17] good morning [08:24] salut didrocks [08:24] Guten Morgen MacSlow. How are you? [08:25] didrocks, I'm fine... and yourself? [08:26] MacSlow: still under a small cold. But will be better in next few days :) [08:26] hey dbarth [08:26] salut dbarth [08:26] didrocks, winter has us all in its grip [08:27] MacSlow: yeah, in a sense, it's nice to see we can still have a real winter, it was years here I didn't see a real one [08:46] didrocks, if I want a real winter I would prefer to have to travel to place that provides one... instead of having it right here :) [08:47] MacSlow: hehe, that's right, I won't mind if we would go again in Orlando to avoid it btw :) [08:48] didrocks, oh yeah... that was nice! [09:28] kamstrup, good morning, got a minute for a review ? [09:28] https://code.launchpad.net/~cjcurran/indicator-sound/blacklisted/+merge/45255 [09:41] dbarth_: cann you pull dee trunk again and retry [09:41] ronoc: on it [09:44] ronoc: approved [09:46] dbarth_, didrocks: the dee build issue was related to the direct linking in N. The patch is here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/551003/ [09:46] didrocks: do you wanna point release of dee 0.5.2 or just distro patch? [09:47] kamstrup: it was built on the distro, so no worry, just commit to trunk [09:47] kamstrup: we don't rebuild the doc there [09:47] it's only for the daily build [09:47] didrocks: kewl [09:47] kamstrup, thx dude [09:48] seb128, will have a release for you today [09:49] hey ronoc, ok [09:51] kamstrup: works! i've restarted a build and the package should follow [09:51] thanks [09:52] seb128, will a new rhythmbox be available any time soon. I'm keen to test their playlist implementation. [09:52] ronoc, depends if they roll a tarball I guess [09:53] I don't plan to package git snapshots this cycle,especially than banshee is the default player now [10:06] hm... still have a lag of ~ .5 sec for mouse-events to be recognized in unity if I use trunk [10:25] seb128, moch said he will roll a tar ball more than likely next weekend, we can talk about it in Dallas [10:51] hi DBO, when you've some time i've proposed a merge for a bitesize bug: https://code.launchpad.net/~cando/unity/fix_688407/+merge/45216 [10:51] thanks [10:58] mpt: good morning, were in contact with the clementine developers [10:59] I think i remember responding to an email to one of their developers but i didn't hear any feedback [10:59] ronoc, are you asking me if I was? [10:59] or saying that you were? [10:59] Good morning btw :-) [11:00] mpt, I was asking if you were and if so could you point me towards their email address, irc room, forum, pidgeon ... [11:00] ronoc, no, I don't know who they are or where they hang out, sorry [11:00] sorry forgot the all important you [11:00] mpt, grand thx [11:03] ronoc: hum, thinking about it, were there any discussion about displaying "previous song: <…>" in the soundmenu indicator? [11:03] ronoc: I saw most online radio are doing that and it's useful sometimes, like "waow, this music is good, what was it?" [11:04] didrocks, no not that I'm aware of, but I feel radio has a different use case in that once its played its gone for ever while most usecases for mediaplayers the user can determine what was played before via play queue/playlist etc [11:05] ronoc: even with "shuffle"? [11:05] but yeah, in any case, maybe it should be in the mediaplayers in that case [11:06] didrocks, true but that is what automatic scrobbling is for :). It would be useful but I think there are other features which would get my vote before this, but its all question of not cluttering the UI which is tricky. [11:06] didrocks, per media application volume I think gets my +1 [11:07] in the indicator? I remember some discussions about it :) [11:07] didrocks, how's Lyon ? [11:07] didrocks, yeah it has been mentioned a few times [11:07] ronoc: cold right now :) but awesome (I felt at home, as when I was studying there), thanks! Just missing an Internet connexion at home [11:08] didrocks, waiting to be connected up ? [11:08] ronoc: exactly, so no phone/internet/tv right now [11:08] didrocks, i did a fresh install of banshee on my Natty and it keeps crashing when I try to play anything ? [11:09] i know they are preping a release right now but can you reproduce this. [11:09] ronoc: oh? I'm playing with it since this morning and got no issue there [11:09] ronoc: did you reported the bug? [11:09] didrocks, no just testing it currently [11:10] didrocks, have you the standard natty release for banshee -> 1.9.1-1ubuntu2 [11:11] ronoc: yep === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:15] gabaug, any progress on this bug -> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=634895 === dbarth_ is now known as dbarth [12:31] mpt: is there a spec for datetime? [12:31] * klattimer is currently writing the appointments ido widget for datetime EDS stuff [12:38] gord: how you feel about moving the perf logger out of libunity? unity is not really mean to link against libunity (go figure :-)) [12:41] kamstrup, not too bothered one way or another, some people wanted to use it for compiz startup performance but its small enough to copy around anyway [12:42] klattimer, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeAndDate === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:07] ah [13:07] ... you have appointments as menu items? [13:09] grr, stupid launchpad limitation, can't use the same url for more than one blueprint [13:30] klattimer, were you expecting something different? [13:30] mpt: I was hoping [13:30] :/ [13:30] well, for the menu design [13:30] as I hadn't found the spec [13:30] I was building a treeview [13:30] but this is cool too [13:30] I didn't really do much treeview specific code [13:32] mpt: no tasks in the view at all? === oubiwann is now known as oubiwann_ === oubiwann_ is now known as oubiwann [13:35] klattimer, I don't know what you mean by "tasks" or view" [13:35] calendar tasks, in the date time menu [13:36] What's the difference between a task and an appointment? [13:53] ronoc: do you also get a metric tonne of warnings when compiling vala stuff with gdbus? [13:53] kamstrup, yup, loads [13:54] ronoc: ok... most look harmless, but some of them ticks me off... [13:54] like "expected ‘struct UnityPlaceService *’ but argument is of type ‘struct GDBusProxy *’" [13:55] kamstrup, yeah i gave up fighting vala warnings, just presumed the newer releases of vala would become smarter [13:55] kamstrup, yeah i get similar ones like this [13:55] klattimer, oh, I see. Calendar events have a time, tasks have a start date and due date, and memos have a start date [13:55] klattimer, do you think we should include all three? [13:55] Or just calendar events and tasks? [13:56] well I dunno [13:56] Or just calendar events? [13:56] screen hight is a concern [13:56] how many appointments do we want to show max for instance [13:56] That's kind of orthogonal, though -- you might have a really full calendar too [13:56] and do we want to show both appointments and tasks, but appointments in the near future have priority over tasks being displayed [13:56] say you have "max items" set to 10 [13:57] and you have 3 appointments today, then 7 of your "todo" items will show up [13:57] if you have 7 appointments today, then 3 of your todo items will show up [13:57] ... what do you think? [13:57] ronoc: the changelog for the latest vala (0.11.3) mentions some warnig cleanups related to dbus [13:57] so here's to hoping :-) [13:58] klattimer, wait, wait, to-do items? What are they? :-) [13:58] todo == task [13:59] ok [14:00] kamstrup, cool good to know [14:00] Appointments and All Day Appointments and Meetings and Tasks and Assigned Tasks and Memos and Shared Memos, oh my [14:00] Someone on the Evolution design team needs to learn the principle of Delayed Decision [14:00] mpt [14:00] the api is worse [14:01] Well, at least I've made your life easier by saying they should be shown as ordinary menu items [14:01] yeah [14:01] oh, btw all the translations are mismatched and out of date [14:02] does that just get hoovered up in the process? [14:03] If you're asking me that, I don't know anything about translations to do with this [14:10] klattimer, [14:10] Does that look sensible? [14:21] good morning tedg [14:21] Good morning Mr. kenvandine [14:21] i am playing with appmenu-gtk :) [14:22] Oh, cool. I really couldn't believe that it was working last night. [14:22] I mean, I write the best code ever seen by man, but even I usually have a few bugs ;) [14:23] lol [14:29] tedg, roflmao [14:29] :) [14:38] kenvandine, seb128 -> https://launchpad.net/indicator-sound/third/0.5.4 [14:38] ronoc, i'll get that [14:39] kenvandine, thanks [14:39] kenvandine, no panic, there are alot of changes in this one, so lets see how it behaves. [14:39] ronoc, don't scare me :) [14:40] kenvandine, well distcheck worked that's all :) [14:41] ugh... nothing else worked? /me ducks [14:41] mpt yeah fine [14:42] kenvandine: hi - do you have some changes to push to your dee branch, or what's the status? [14:43] hey kamstrup, not really [14:43] i am getting a segfault now [14:43] i added the override [14:43] kvalo, hi. If a WEP key is 26 hexadecimal characters, how many Ascii characters is it? [14:43] args of course is a tuple [14:44] kenvandine: so installing a .py with overrides? [14:44] calling set_schema_full with a tuple doesn't work, and making it a string causes it to segfault [14:44] yeah [14:44] kenvandine: if you just push what you have I can play around with it tonight [14:44] well, i didn't add that to my branch [14:44] local testing [14:44] i can pastebin it for you though :) [14:45] kenvandine: ok... i'll just see if I can cook something up tonight then [14:45] i am pretty bummed it isn't working yet... i had hoped to have gotten way past this before the rally :/ [14:45] kamstrup, excellent [14:47] mpt: hi. I'm on holiday today, but it's then 26 ascii characters [14:48] kvalo, so no matter whether someone is entering the key hexadecimally or Ascii-ly, we should make sure they type exactly 26 characters? [14:48] kvalo, sorry to disturb your holiday :-) [14:49] mpt: no worries, my answers will just take longer :) [14:50] kamstrup, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/551091/ [14:50] that is the current state [14:51] mpt: iirc ascii key in that case (for 104-bit key) should be 13 characters. but let me think about this a bit [14:51] * kvalo hates wep [14:52] kamstrup, and i pushed my latest changes to lp:~ken-vandine/dee/gir-fixes/ [14:53] mpt: yeah, it should like that. for 104 bit key: 26 chars if in hex mode, 13 chars if in ascii mode [14:53] kvalo, I think everyone hates WEP at this point :-) [14:54] kvalo, ok, that's what I needed, thanks [14:54] mpt: yw [15:11] tedg, libappindicator still has a bunch of tests that include dbus/dbus-glib.h [15:11] and dbusmenu still has two headers that include it too [15:12] didrocks, how do you add an entry to gdm login sessions [15:12] lamalex: look at the .desktop files in /usr/share/xsessions/ [15:12] thanks [15:27] tedg, indicator-application also has some includes for dbus-glib [15:27] i assume we should remove those [15:38] agateau, did you get that email ? [15:38] ronoc: yes I did [15:39] agateau, when will there be a release ready with this fixed ? [15:40] ronoc: I am really busy with other projects right now, if you can corner me in Dallas next week maybe you can coerce me into fixing it [15:40] kenvandine, Yeah, I need to start porting the individual indicators -- but I don't think that'll break things. [15:40] ah, ok [15:40] agateau, right, well its literally a one line fix and without it amarok will not work from the menu [15:41] agateau, we can talk in Dallas [15:41] ronoc: fine [15:45] ronoc: maybe you can try to create a symlink meanwhile, so that you can test? [15:45] * agateau feels bad for blocking ronoc [15:46] agateau, its not blocking me, no panic, I tested already yesterday and it works nicely with the kde4- prefix [15:47] ronoc: do you mean you sent me a patch and I missed it? [15:47] agateau, just doing the integration rounds over the past day to ensure all players are still working with the new registration mechanism [15:47] agateau, no i just assigned you a bug :) [15:48] ronoc: I see someone sent in a proposal to fix the volume mouse-wheel scrolling [15:48] ronoc: oh ok, since you said you tested with the kde4- prefix I assumed you patched Amarok [15:48] agateau, oh yeah and libindicate can be dropped as dep, all you need is to follow the mpris spec [15:48] ronoc: good news [15:56] brb [16:08] kenvandine, How are you doing? Things exploding? [16:21] MacSlow: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/697791 posted another follow-up to that, I'm not convined that just bumping by 1-pixel will solve much [16:26] kenvandine, any joy ? [16:26] ronoc, i'll get to it soon, still getting stuff rebuilt for tedg's gdbus ports :) [16:26] ah cool [16:28] for some insane reason, i am about to test his code on my main laptop, i must be insane [16:28] kenvandine, playing with fire there :) [16:29] indeed [16:31] considering last time i did this, i spent the day with my wifi flapping up and down because of a dbusmenu bug driving nm-applet nuts [16:34] Hi. I am using the Python appindicator library and I can't get the indicator to display complex widgets (like the Sound Indicator does), I tried gtk.Button, gtk.Image and even a gtk.Table (filled with gtk.Labels). Is there any way to display compex widgets in an appindicator? [16:34] kaini, Not really currently. The sound menu isn't using the appindicator library, which has easier to use, but simpler menu support. [16:35] kaini, We want to increase the features of the menu support, but that's a work in progress today. [16:38] tedg, That's a pity to hear, but thanks for the information! May I ask how the Sound indicator does that? I skimmed though the source code but it looks like a mess of C to me :) [16:39] kaini, The sound indicator is actually using a different interface. Basically it can build it's own custom widgets with Cairo (which it does). [16:40] kaini, It means for instance the sound indicator won't work on KDE. [16:41] Okay [16:41] I guess I'll stick to text then [16:42] tedg, good and bad news [16:43] good news is my session logged in and is mostly usable [16:43] bad news is, the unity panel service can't load any indicators [16:43] kenvandine, Woot! Unity bug, I'm off for the rest of the week ;) [16:44] * kenvandine looks for a bat [16:44] Are the indicators linking to different versions of dbusmenu? [16:44] :-D [16:44] i am assuming [16:44] Did you rebuild any of them in that PPA? [16:44] Oh, you don't have split indicator-application do you? [16:44] yes i do [16:45] Hmmm.... [16:45] Can you do an ldd on the /usr/lib/indicators/ .so files and see which dbusmenu's they're using? [16:46] ok, so indicator-loader can load libmessaging.so [16:46] but unity panel can't [16:46] maybe unity needs a rebuild? [16:47] In theory it shouldn't... [16:47] I'd check the linking first. The Unity panel service may be lying about where it's problem is. [16:48] oh... wait [16:49] the panel is loading some of them [16:50] i miss read the output [16:50] it is timing out though [16:50] so either it never loads libsession.so or it loads that and fails on the next one [16:51] wish it was easier to figure out what was causing the panel to stop loading :/ [16:52] indicator-loader can load appmenu too [16:52] and libapplication [16:52] and libsession [16:52] bratsche: how did the eclipse menu thing end up going? progress? [16:52] and libme [16:53] kenvandine, Yeah, I imagine that individuals are fine. It's just putting them together is a problem. [16:53] kenvandine, ldd please :) [16:54] jcastro: For now I just copied what he gave me to look at when I can. I'm a little more worried about some utouch stuff firs.t [16:54] * jcastro nods [16:56] tedg, libappindicator is linked against libdbusmenu-gtk3 and all the others against libdbusmenu-gtk2 [16:56] which is to be expected, since they weren't rebuilt [16:57] same for -glib [16:57] libapplication is linked with libdbusmenu-glib3 and all the others libdbusmenu-glib2 [16:57] kenvandine, Try deleting it and see if the unity panel loads. [16:57] (or moving it or whatever) [16:57] what do you mean? [16:57] libdbusmenu-glib2 or libdbusmenu-glib3? [16:58] kenvandine, rm /usr/lib/indicators/5/libappindicator.so [16:58] oh [16:58] it is in 4 [16:58] Could we build indicator-application first (new PPA) so then it'd build against the old dbusmenu, and then build all the others? [17:05] ircbog: How do I build this swt example you gave me? [17:05] Hey ronoc, the sound indicator in Natty is looking nice! [17:06] bratsche: hey! I was going to ping you this afternoon to see if you needed any help! :) OK, do you have and Eclipse lying around? Did you get the SWT code base from CVS? (probably easiest thing) [17:06] bratsche, thx getting there now, Cimi has been helping with the UI work [17:06] bratsche, playlists land today [17:06] ircbog: I found SWT in the Ubuntu repository, so I just did an apt-get install of it from there. And also I installed eclipse from Ubuntu. [17:07] ronoc: Nice! [17:07] tedg, that doesn't seem like a fix though [17:08] ronoc: When do you arrive in Dallas? [17:08] bratsche, I'm in Saturday evening [17:08] kenvandine, Why not? It would mean that the panel service would be entirely on libdbusmenu-g*2 [17:08] kenvandine, It's a hack, but I think that it does fix it :) [17:09] Any chance we are seeing an unity update today? (Just wondering) [17:10] tedg, removing libappindicator doesn't make it load [17:10] kenvandine, :-/ [17:11] however... removing all of them does make the panel load [17:12] * kenvandine tries with just libapplication.so [17:13] bratsche: OK, first step start up eclipse. I think we should get SWT from HEAD as you can hack on the SWT code (http://www.eclipse.org/swt/cvs.php). After getting SWT, you should create a Java project, and add the SWT project to the classpath (right click->Properties->Java Build Path->select org.eclipse.swt). Next create a Java class, and paste that code snippet in from yesterday. [17:13] ok, with just libapplication.so, the output is much cleaner... but it doesn't render any indicators [17:19] kenvandine, I need to run to meet someone for lunch. But what really confuses me is why the other indicators don't run when libapplication.so is removed. [17:19] they all seem to work in the indicator-loader [17:20] so rebuilding them shouldn't be needed [17:22] Wow, Eclipse really makes Visual Studio look *incredibly* usable. [17:22] haha [17:23] bratsche: hey, swt? is there someone doing a patch for that? [17:23] dbarth_: Hmm? [17:23] sladen, the only real solution would be to make all the measurements there EM-based... but that was never spec'ed out so it's kind of only half-the-way atm [17:24] ircbog: Do you know where the swt stuff would be installed on the system? [17:25] Oh wait, I think I see it. [17:25] bratsche: it gets installed in the eclipse/plugins folder [17:25] ircbog: I found /usr/lib/java/swt-gtk-3.5.1.jar [17:26] Can I just "Add External JAR" with that? [17:26] sure [17:27] dbarth_: Did you mean app menus or something else? [17:28] MacSlow: no, it's not that. Applying a 1 pixel downshift to both of those screenshots I've taken will drag the text /visibly/ below centre, and it'll look like it is slipping down [17:30] sladen, it looks clean on my system now. What app-font (and size) have you set on your system? [17:31] sladen, which DPI and sub-pixel-setting? [17:31] bratsche: appmenu yes [17:31] sladen, have you tried unity trunk yet? Or did you just mock it up in gimp? [17:32] ircbog: Okay, the test program is running now for me. I get a window with no menus or anything. It's just an empty window. [17:32] yup [17:32] MacSlow: neither of those are mock-ups, they are the present situation [17:32] do you get a close menu at the top? [17:33] in the appmenu? [17:33] ircbog: In the titlebar, yes. [17:34] MacSlow: eg. I'm not sure there is a problem /in Unity/ to be fixed. My huch is that it's liable to create an off-by-one error where none existed [17:34] dbarth_: Yeah.. ircbog gave me a sample program for swt that I'm trying to get working right now. Then I can use it to debug the issues and hopefully get Eclipse working. [17:35] eclipse would be cool [17:35] we still have the fallback window menus, but this is the kind of app that runs maximized so +1 [17:36] dbarth_: Yeah, definitely. monodevelop is another that would be nice to fix, but there's not really time for it. [17:36] bratsche: the idea is prioritizing Eclipse from the Natty repositories or it will theoretically work with a vanilla Eclipse from eclipse.org? [17:37] conscioususer: I'm not talking about modifying eclipse at all. It's hopefully just something that can be fixed on my end and will fix Eclipse from upstream. [17:38] bratsche: very nice to know that, thanks [17:38] bratsche: OK, we should be seeing a Menu called "MenuTest" with one item in it. There is code in our Shell class (in createHandle) that calls gtk_widget_realize(). So when we create a shell, I'm guessing the appmenu code goes to look for a menu bar but its not there at that point. Later when we add the menu, I guess the code doesn't get notified again? [17:40] sladen, btw... I wish I knew how to make screenshots of tooltips/quicklists where the transparency shows... because all my screenshots show transparent areas being fully opaque. [17:40] ircbog: Let me try something here.. hang on. [17:42] ircbog: Is there an easy way to set an environment variable in Eclipse so that it will affect this program? [17:43] MacSlow: gimp->File->Create->Screenshot [17:43] bratsche: If you go to Run Configurations in the toolbar (the play icon)->Run Configurations...->select the configuration you used to run the snippet->Environment tab->New.... [17:47] ircbog: Anyway, I'll play around with this and see if I can make some progress. [17:47] But I'm going to go get some lunch in a few minutes. [17:47] bratsche: cool. I'll be on IRC if you have questions, need help etc [17:48] Thanks [17:50] sladen, interesting that gimp works there and gnome-screenshot does not... reload https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/697791 [17:52] hm, after update I've got a gnome panel [17:52] what's up with that === lamalex_ is now known as lamalex [17:53] this mouse-event lag in unity is driving me nuts!!! [18:00] sladen, so you think it's a general problem with the font itself? [18:01] MacSlow: is that latest screenshot you've uploaded with your 1-pixel left and down ? [18:02] sladen, the last two I uploaded are with a correction vector of -1/1 [18:02] MacSlow: left and down (or left and up) [18:03] sladen, left and down it is [18:03] MacSlow: can you try also with "Tomboy' (something that shows baseline, cap-height, ascender tip and descender tail) [18:04] sladen, the second screenshot does show "Tomboy...". Or do you want me to crank up my app-font-size and do a screenshot? [18:07] * MacSlow wonders what evo is doing with 100% of the two cpu-cores [18:07] jcastro: btw, just a quick ping, there will be no unity release this week as Neil is still ill [18:10] MacSlow: mmmhmmm. I guess the only thing is to try it. And then keep an eye-out for how to looks with other scripts/fonts (Cyrillic, Greek, CJK, ...) [18:12] sladen, it's a very small patch, that's easily revertable should we see the need undoing this. [18:12] MacSlow: yup [18:17] didrocks: yeah I figured as much [18:18] didrocks: I suspect next week you'll be uploading plenty of things anyway, heh [18:22] jcastro: yeah, there are a lot of goodness in trunk :) [18:23] didrocks: and you got banshee in. Let me give you a hug. [18:23] * didrocks hugs jcastro [18:23] jcastro: all kudos to the debian mono team and upstream [18:24] I know right! [18:39] kenvandine, Can you try to downgrade to the distro indicator-application? [18:39] kenvandine, Oh, wait. That'll get libappindicator won't it :( [18:39] jcastro: right, no release; we're just landings things in and checking everything works in trunk, but no uploads [18:40] i hope to get the dailies working again though [18:40] slowly getting all of the small build issues fixed [18:42] jcastro: was just saying no release and upload into natty but re-stabilizing trunk and getting the dailies to work again [18:42] close to it now, i just need didrocks to push a new nux packaging branch [18:43] rock [19:02] tedg, yeah... that's no good [19:04] kenvandine, So let me recap. By default, you don't have any indicators. [19:04] kenvandine, Removing indicator-application doesn't seem to help. [19:04] well, i didn't remove that [19:04] i moved the .so [19:04] kenvandine, But all the indicators load individually. [19:04] That should be the same. [19:05] i removed all the indicators and it looked like the panel worked [19:05] kenvandine, And libapplication.so was the only one using a different version of dbusmenu-g* [19:05] but of course is useless [19:05] yes === ircbog_ is now known as ircbog [19:08] kenvandine, And it doesn't really work with any of the indicators? [19:08] right [19:08] kenvandine, (not that you'd try all, but just to be curious) [19:08] i tried adding just one, appmenu and messaging [19:08] separately [19:08] and they never show up in the panel [19:08] And you restarted the panel service thingy. [19:10] yup [19:10] weird thing though [19:10] it doesn't say it fails to load libmessaging.so [19:10] it just times out [19:11] kenvandine, What's the address of your PPA? [19:11] i see a few "loading libblah.so" messages [19:11] and then nothing.... until a timeout error from unity [19:12] https://edge.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/+archive/gdbus-migration [19:28] tedg, ok.. now i am getting somewhere [19:30] tedg, in the gnome panel, indicator-applet is failing [19:43] ronoc, sorry... i should have done indicator-sound before messing with ted's code :) [19:48] kenvandine, no worries, I'm around so let me know how you get on if you get a chance [19:54] kenvandine, Okay, I'm all up with clearing the MENUPROXY variable from the panel service, distro indicator-application and the GDBus PPA. [19:54] Woot! [19:54] anyone know if unity --advanced-debug implies --replace? [19:56] lamalex, I do think so, like just 'unity' [19:59] i didn't realize running unity would replace cool [19:59] does anyone else get segfaulting when running with --advanced-debug? [20:00] lamalex, I didn't use advanced-debug directly but it wasn't segfaulting in gdb [20:01] lamalex, what's bt full say? [20:02] cyphermox, yeah advanced-debug just runs in gdb, so same thing [20:02] yes [20:03] segfault in libdconfsettings.so [20:04] one second [20:05] kenvandine, lp:~ted/unity/unset-menuproxy-panel-service [20:05] kenvandine, I'm building a package now, but that should do the trick. [20:06] cyphermox, same crash you were getting? [20:06] it runs fine outside of gdb [20:07] lamalex, nah, I never got that... the only crashes I got I caused with crappy code ;) [20:07] yeah, this is stock unity [20:07] I can try here, hold on [20:07] something fishy is going on [20:13] Why does unity depend on dbusmenu-glib? [20:13] tedg, ok... how about appindicator not working in indicator-applet? [20:14] oh, to build it you need to change it to dbusmenu-glib-0.4 [20:14]