| kim0 | um, anyone interested to resolve that bug up there | 13:43 |
|---|---|---|
| kim0 | For some reason I am :) | 13:43 |
| thelinuxer | kim0: which bug ? | 14:42 |
| kim0 | um | 14:43 |
| kim0 | 23:12 < Yaron-Heb> Hey guys, an Arab related bug was marked as invalid in Launchpad, I'd be glad if anyone here will take a look at it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/275971 | 14:43 |
| lubotu3 | Ubuntu bug 275971 in Ubuntu Website "Ubuntu Local support - Arabic Language" [Undecided,Invalid] | 14:43 |
| kim0 | basically official "Arabic" language support | 14:43 |
| kim0 | is listed under the Israeli team | 14:43 |
| kim0 | they don't really want it and have voiced they don't support Arabic | 14:44 |
| kim0 | there's this #ubuntu-arabic | 14:44 |
| kim0 | which seems a bit dead | 14:44 |
| daker | yeah | 14:44 |
| kim0 | the website maintainer (m nuzum) refused to link their website | 14:44 |
| daker | event the website | 14:45 |
| daker | even* | 14:45 |
| kim0 | http://ubuntu-arabic.org/ | 14:45 |
| kim0 | since it looks as you can see | 14:45 |
| kim0 | I think it makes sense to have a generic language based irc channel | 14:45 |
| kim0 | so can someone step up .. help make the ubunt-arabic website make more sense (it could just be one page that makes sense, no need for complexity) | 14:46 |
| kim0 | then we can apply to regain official Arabic language support | 14:46 |
| daker | the domain is parked | 14:47 |
| kim0 | daker: is it unbought ? or bought with no website behind it | 14:48 |
| daker | kim0, it's for sale | 14:49 |
| daker | kim0, i don't the problem is the website | 14:49 |
| daker | all arabic can be listed there | 14:50 |
| daker | arabic teams* | 14:50 |
| daker | kim0, here http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/locallanguage | 14:50 |
| kim0 | That is something I thought about as well | 14:50 |
| * kim0 checking it out | 14:50 | |
| daker | Arabic as a categorie | 14:50 |
| kim0 | daker: same thing .. it's Israel again | 14:51 |
| daker | yeah i know | 14:51 |
| daker | my solution is to have Arabic | 14:51 |
| thelinuxer | hmm | 14:51 |
| kim0 | Actually, if we have a way to get a list of all arabic speaking loco teams .. | 14:51 |
| kim0 | we can just list them all | 14:51 |
| daker | ya | 14:51 |
| kim0 | daker: can we have that list :) | 14:52 |
| thelinuxer | i am little bit confused | 14:52 |
| daker | sure | 14:52 |
| kim0 | thelinuxer: why ? | 14:52 |
| thelinuxer | confused about what needs to be done to solve the problem :) | 14:52 |
| kim0 | Yeah kinda me too | 14:52 |
| thelinuxer | and y Arabic is listed under the il team | 14:52 |
| thelinuxer | that makes no sense | 14:52 |
| kim0 | either we all "agree" on a new channel for generic Arabic support | 14:52 |
| thelinuxer | and also can we just change the wiki page | 14:52 |
| kim0 | or we list all available arabic speaking loco teams (probably easier) | 14:53 |
| kim0 | no idea who imagined .il support arabic | 14:53 |
| kim0 | however whoever listed that was far sighted :) | 14:53 |
| thelinuxer | lol | 14:53 |
| kim0 | hehee | 14:53 |
| thelinuxer | i guess we should create a section in this page with all Arabic teams. right ? | 14:54 |
| thelinuxer | like what's done for spanish | 14:54 |
| kim0 | yeah something like that | 14:54 |
| kim0 | except that it's also in another place | 14:54 |
| thelinuxer | where ? | 14:54 |
| kim0 | nvm | 14:55 |
| thelinuxer | kim0: i feel stupid :D | 14:55 |
| kim0 | thelinuxer: not really .. it's my mistake | 14:55 |
| kim0 | thelinuxer: when u said can't we just edit the wiki | 14:56 |
| kim0 | I imagined it was listed on the wiki + ubunt.com .. | 14:56 |
| kim0 | I think it's just ubuntu.com | 14:56 |
| thelinuxer | ah | 14:56 |
| thelinuxer | la2 my bad keda b2a | 14:56 |
| kim0 | anyway .. let's get a list of arabic speaking teams | 14:56 |
| thelinuxer | this is not a wiki page aslan | 14:56 |
| thelinuxer | cool it should take much time | 14:57 |
| kim0 | daker the genie .. Are you trying to get that ? | 14:57 |
| thelinuxer | daker: r u on it ? | 14:57 |
| daker | kim0, thelinuxer ya | 14:57 |
| kim0 | awesome! | 14:57 |
| thelinuxer | daker: cool | 14:57 |
| kim0 | this man is made of pure awesomeness | 14:57 |
| thelinuxer | :) | 14:58 |
| kim0 | thelinuxer: are you familiar with someone called Islam Hassan | 14:59 |
| thelinuxer | kim0: no, who is he ? | 14:59 |
| thelinuxer | of course momken akoon 3arfo we neseet :D | 14:59 |
| kim0 | thelinuxer: Yeah, tell me about it .. I have a fish memory :) | 15:01 |
| kim0 | thelinuxer: basically someone who wanted to start a new Arabic translations team | 15:01 |
| kim0 | Are you aware of the issues there as well | 15:02 |
| kim0 | basically multiple teams having fights | 15:02 |
| kim0 | and no team appointed as the official team | 15:02 |
| kim0 | thus no translation happening | 15:02 |
| thelinuxer | :S | 15:02 |
| kim0 | that's as far as I could understand quickly | 15:02 |
| thelinuxer | as always ... | 15:02 |
| kim0 | 7aga tefres :) | 15:02 |
| kim0 | YES | 15:03 |
| thelinuxer | i guess i received an invitation or something to some translation team | 15:03 |
| thelinuxer | let me check keda | 15:03 |
| kim0 | you must know khaled hosny ? | 15:03 |
| thelinuxer | yes of course | 15:03 |
| thelinuxer | dah el me3alem el kebeer | 15:03 |
| kim0 | ok .. he's supposedly leading the most successful translation effort | 15:03 |
| kim0 | and his team meets the naming scheme | 15:04 |
| kim0 | so it has the highest chance of being adopted as official | 15:04 |
| kim0 | now the thing is | 15:04 |
| kim0 | for everyone's benefit | 15:04 |
| kim0 | can you talk to him, discuss the problem perhaps | 15:04 |
| kim0 | if you think he's not accepting new members or something | 15:04 |
| kim0 | can he relax any constraints, get everyone in that team | 15:04 |
| kim0 | mark it as official | 15:05 |
| kim0 | so that we can go forward | 15:05 |
| kim0 | I don't quite know him personally | 15:05 |
| thelinuxer | i don't know him personally, but I know someone who does | 15:05 |
| thelinuxer | u mean this team | 15:05 |
| kim0 | so I guess it's best if you do some talking ? | 15:05 |
| thelinuxer | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-ar | 15:05 |
| kim0 | Yes that | 15:05 |
| kim0 | well | 15:05 |
| kim0 | we need to talk one way or the other | 15:05 |
| kim0 | an email thread is fine | 15:05 |
| kim0 | but I guess a phone call from soneone he knows would be a good intro | 15:06 |
| thelinuxer | ok but i guess this is a separate problem from the first one | 15:06 |
| thelinuxer | we have 2 problems | 15:06 |
| kim0 | Yes absolutely | 15:06 |
| thelinuxer | first that the arabic teams are not listed as Arabic supporters :) | 15:06 |
| kim0 | we have many problems really .. we're just trying to solve 2 :D | 15:06 |
| thelinuxer | and this daker is fixing it | 15:06 |
| thelinuxer | loool mashy | 15:06 |
| kim0 | yep | 15:07 |
| thelinuxer | the second one is trying to make khaled accept more translators | 15:07 |
| thelinuxer | and make the group official | 15:07 |
| kim0 | Consolidate one team as official | 15:07 |
| kim0 | I think there's 5 teams now | 15:07 |
| thelinuxer | as official translation team ? | 15:07 |
| kim0 | Yes | 15:07 |
| thelinuxer | but i guess most of the Ubuntu is translated by Khaled | 15:07 |
| kim0 | launchpad has to appoint a team as official | 15:07 |
| kim0 | currently none is | 15:07 |
| kim0 | bec of the fighting | 15:08 |
| kim0 | or that's how I understand it | 15:08 |
| kim0 | and there's a good chance I may be wrong | 15:08 |
| kim0 | bec I am new to all of this | 15:08 |
| kim0 | khaled probably exactly understands the issues | 15:08 |
| thelinuxer | so what's is needed from him exactly ? | 15:08 |
| thelinuxer | check this | 15:09 |
| kim0 | I don't know what's stopping him from accepting other members, perhaps sharing team ownership/admin status with their leaders | 15:09 |
| thelinuxer | https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+lang/ar | 15:09 |
| kim0 | but if that were done, we could apply for that team to be official and start working | 15:09 |
| thelinuxer | check the page i just sent | 15:09 |
| kim0 | Yeah! makana :) | 15:10 |
| kim0 | that's why I think it makes sense to capitalize on him | 15:10 |
| kim0 | he's making the work | 15:10 |
| kim0 | it's a meritocracy | 15:10 |
| thelinuxer | it says that "These Ubuntu translations are managed by Ubuntu Arabic Translators." | 15:10 |
| kim0 | can you invite him to have a talk | 15:10 |
| kim0 | in this irc room | 15:10 |
| kim0 | so that at least we understand the real issue | 15:11 |
| thelinuxer | ok i will try | 15:11 |
| kim0 | great | 15:11 |
| thelinuxer | but u i think they are the official team | 15:11 |
| kim0 | today ? | 15:11 |
| thelinuxer | noway :D | 15:11 |
| kim0 | mm | 15:11 |
| kim0 | he must be on irc somewhere | 15:11 |
| kim0 | crap he's not online | 15:12 |
| thelinuxer | what was that command to search for users on irc ? | 15:13 |
| kim0 | his nick should be khaledhosny | 15:13 |
| kim0 | from https://launchpad.net/~khaledhosny | 15:13 |
| thelinuxer | yes... | 15:13 |
| thelinuxer | how to find if he is online or not ? | 15:13 |
| kim0 | - /msg him ? | 15:13 |
| kim0 | thelinuxer: ok can you try to own this issue .. talk to him .. start an email thread .. get everyone talking ... etc | 15:14 |
| kim0 | this problem has existed for a long time | 15:14 |
| kim0 | if we could resolve it .. this would be quite good | 15:14 |
| thelinuxer | eshta | 15:14 |
| kim0 | great .. if you start an email thread .. get me in .. | 15:15 |
| kim0 | ya mosahel | 15:15 |
| thelinuxer | sure i will | 15:15 |
| thelinuxer | check this | 15:15 |
| thelinuxer | https://translations.launchpad.net/+groups/ubuntu-translators | 15:15 |
| thelinuxer | they are the official translation team i guess | 15:15 |
| thelinuxer | kim0: ping | 15:17 |
| kim0 | thelinuxer: well read this thread | 15:18 |
| kim0 | https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/108979 | 15:18 |
| kim0 | I don't claim to understand what the problem is .. | 15:19 |
| kim0 | but I got this email from the translations community guy | 15:20 |
| kim0 | The situation with the Arabic team though, is a bit complex. Several people have created several teams but never agreed on which one to use, and no team ever applied to be added to the Launchpad Translators group | 15:20 |
| kim0 | so there is some problem :) | 15:21 |
| thelinuxer | There is an active Ubuntu Arabic Translation team https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-ar and they are appointed for translating Ubuntu intro Arabic. They are also a restricted team and there is a page describing how to help with the translations. | 15:21 |
| kim0 | that's not khaled's team right | 15:22 |
| thelinuxer | that's really confusing ! | 15:22 |
| kim0 | Yeah .. I am just as confused | 15:22 |
| thelinuxer | that's khaled's team | 15:22 |
| kim0 | so far it seems like there is no problem | 15:22 |
| thelinuxer | if they are the official team, y there is a problem aslan :) | 15:22 |
| kim0 | although if David says there is one .. there must be one :) | 15:22 |
| thelinuxer | i guess there is a team for lp | 15:24 |
| thelinuxer | and a team for ubuntu | 15:24 |
| thelinuxer | these are the official ones | 15:24 |
| thelinuxer | bas mesh 3aref el ba2y dool eih | 15:24 |
| kim0 | thelinuxer: I guess this thread explain things a bit | 15:26 |
| kim0 | https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/108979 | 15:26 |
| kim0 | read david's comment where he says "So to answer the question: yes, these are different translation groups" | 15:26 |
| thelinuxer | yes i am reading the thread, but it's taking time :D | 15:27 |
| kim0 | hehe | 15:27 |
| kim0 | ok | 15:27 |
| thelinuxer | khaled hosny replied to the thread | 15:30 |
| thelinuxer | kim0: 10 days ago | 15:30 |
| daker | kim0, thelinuxer do Yemen speaks Arabic ? | 15:30 |
| kim0 | I think yes | 15:30 |
| daker | i guess yes | 15:30 |
| thelinuxer | yes they do | 15:30 |
| kim0 | daker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemen | 15:30 |
| kim0 | Yes | 15:30 |
| thelinuxer | Khaled Hosny said on 2010-12-25: The lp-l10n-ar team seems to meet the naming policy, I've no problem with adding any other interested members to the team or even handing ownership to Usama or anyone else interested. | 15:30 |
| kim0 | perhaps his team has not applied for launchpad group membership! | 15:31 |
| thelinuxer | kim0: so he was already contacted and aware of the problem ... | 15:31 |
| kim0 | As I said, there is no group appointed for Arabic translation in | 15:31 |
| kim0 | Launchpad translators, and several teams which have effectively no | 15:31 |
| kim0 | translation capability because of that | 15:31 |
| kim0 | that's a quote | 15:31 |
| thelinuxer | yes i agree | 15:32 |
| thelinuxer | i am just saying he was already contacted by usama akkad | 15:32 |
| thelinuxer | and usama is trying to join all team into one | 15:32 |
| kim0 | thelinuxer: it migth be as simple khaled applying his team in launchpad | 15:32 |
| thelinuxer | and khaled doesn't have a problem with that | 15:32 |
| thelinuxer | ok | 15:33 |
| kim0 | I'll probably have a better understanding on Mon | 15:33 |
| thelinuxer | tab where do they apply for membership ? | 15:34 |
| daker | kim0, http://pastebin.com/ta4vnFES | 15:39 |
| kim0 | thelinuxer: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/275971 | 15:41 |
| lubotu3 | Ubuntu bug 275971 in Ubuntu Website "Ubuntu Local support - Arabic Language" [Undecided,Invalid] | 15:41 |
| kim0 | daker: Man .. Thou art amazing :) | 15:41 |
| kim0 | daker: thelinuxer I'm commenting on that thread, mentioning this list daker created | 15:42 |
| kim0 | hopefully this will resovle that problem | 15:42 |
| thelinuxer | kim0: ya rab :) | 15:42 |
| thelinuxer | daker: nice work man | 15:42 |
| daker | kim0, wait wait | 15:43 |
| kim0 | daker: what | 15:43 |
| daker | kim0, http://pastebin.com/H845tGGN | 15:44 |
| kim0 | daker: Morocco forum updated right ? | 15:44 |
| daker | yeah | 15:44 |
| kim0 | daker: what's the lifetime of this post ? | 15:45 |
| daker | no idea ツ | 15:45 |
| kim0 | I think pastebin asks you that | 15:45 |
| daker | it says NEVER | 15:45 |
| kim0 | ah ok .. | 15:45 |
| kim0 | yes | 15:46 |
| kim0 | cool posting | 15:46 |
| daker | thelinuxer, thanks | 15:47 |
| thelinuxer | daker: yw :) | 15:47 |
| thelinuxer | bye guys, happy weekend :) | 15:50 |
| kim0 | daker: Egypt team doesn't have forums ? | 15:52 |
| kim0 | you listed algerie ? | 15:52 |
| daker | yes | 15:54 |
| daker | Egypt | 15:54 |
| daker | IRC: #ubuntu-eg on irc.freenode.net | 15:54 |
| daker | Website: http://www.ubuntu-eg.org/ | 15:54 |
| daker | Forum: http://tunisie.ubuntuforums.org/ | 15:54 |
| daker | Mailing List: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-eg | 15:54 |
| daker | ah damn it | 15:55 |
| daker | bad copy-paste | 15:55 |
| kim0 | daker: can it be edited ? | 15:55 |
| kim0 | daker: see where it says | 15:56 |
| daker | i dunno | 15:56 |
| kim0 | SUBMIT A CORRECTION OR AMENDMENT BELOW. | 15:56 |
| kim0 | let's see how that looks like | 15:56 |
| daker | kim0, you will do it ? | 15:56 |
| kim0 | I guess you do it | 15:56 |
| kim0 | maybe that's better | 15:56 |
| daker | ok | 15:57 |
| kim0 | if it results in a new URL .. let me know | 15:57 |
| kim0 | I'll post an update | 15:57 |
| daker | new url :s | 15:59 |
| daker | http://pastebin.com/sWUSYUTn | 15:59 |
| kim0 | ok thanks | 16:00 |
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