[13:43] um, anyone interested to resolve that bug up there [13:43] For some reason I am :) [14:42] kim0: which bug ? [14:43] um [14:43] 23:12 < Yaron-Heb> Hey guys, an Arab related bug was marked as invalid in Launchpad, I'd be glad if anyone here will take a look at it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/275971 [14:43] Ubuntu bug 275971 in Ubuntu Website "Ubuntu Local support - Arabic Language" [Undecided,Invalid] [14:43] basically official "Arabic" language support [14:43] is listed under the Israeli team [14:44] they don't really want it and have voiced they don't support Arabic [14:44] there's this #ubuntu-arabic [14:44] which seems a bit dead [14:44] yeah [14:44] the website maintainer (m nuzum) refused to link their website [14:45] event the website [14:45] even* [14:45] http://ubuntu-arabic.org/ [14:45] since it looks as you can see [14:45] I think it makes sense to have a generic language based irc channel [14:46] so can someone step up .. help make the ubunt-arabic website make more sense (it could just be one page that makes sense, no need for complexity) [14:46] then we can apply to regain official Arabic language support [14:47] the domain is parked [14:48] daker: is it unbought ? or bought with no website behind it [14:49] kim0, it's for sale [14:49] kim0, i don't the problem is the website [14:50] all arabic can be listed there [14:50] arabic teams* [14:50] kim0, here http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/locallanguage [14:50] That is something I thought about as well [14:50] * kim0 checking it out [14:50] Arabic as a categorie [14:51] daker: same thing .. it's Israel again [14:51] yeah i know [14:51] my solution is to have Arabic [14:51] hmm [14:51] Actually, if we have a way to get a list of all arabic speaking loco teams .. [14:51] we can just list them all [14:51] ya [14:52] daker: can we have that list :) [14:52] i am little bit confused [14:52] sure [14:52] thelinuxer: why ? [14:52] confused about what needs to be done to solve the problem :) [14:52] Yeah kinda me too [14:52] and y Arabic is listed under the il team [14:52] that makes no sense [14:52] either we all "agree" on a new channel for generic Arabic support [14:52] and also can we just change the wiki page [14:53] or we list all available arabic speaking loco teams (probably easier) [14:53] no idea who imagined .il support arabic [14:53] however whoever listed that was far sighted :) [14:53] lol [14:53] hehee [14:54] i guess we should create a section in this page with all Arabic teams. right ? [14:54] like what's done for spanish [14:54] yeah something like that [14:54] except that it's also in another place [14:54] where ? [14:55] nvm [14:55] kim0: i feel stupid :D [14:55] thelinuxer: not really .. it's my mistake [14:56] thelinuxer: when u said can't we just edit the wiki [14:56] I imagined it was listed on the wiki + ubunt.com .. [14:56] I think it's just ubuntu.com [14:56] ah [14:56] la2 my bad keda b2a [14:56] anyway .. let's get a list of arabic speaking teams [14:56] this is not a wiki page aslan [14:57] cool it should take much time [14:57] daker the genie .. Are you trying to get that ? [14:57] daker: r u on it ? [14:57] kim0, thelinuxer ya [14:57] awesome! [14:57] daker: cool [14:57] this man is made of pure awesomeness [14:58] :) [14:59] thelinuxer: are you familiar with someone called Islam Hassan [14:59] kim0: no, who is he ? [14:59] of course momken akoon 3arfo we neseet :D [15:01] thelinuxer: Yeah, tell me about it .. I have a fish memory :) [15:01] thelinuxer: basically someone who wanted to start a new Arabic translations team [15:02] Are you aware of the issues there as well [15:02] basically multiple teams having fights [15:02] and no team appointed as the official team [15:02] thus no translation happening [15:02] :S [15:02] that's as far as I could understand quickly [15:02] as always ... [15:02] 7aga tefres :) [15:03] YES [15:03] i guess i received an invitation or something to some translation team [15:03] let me check keda [15:03] you must know khaled hosny ? [15:03] yes of course [15:03] dah el me3alem el kebeer [15:03] ok .. he's supposedly leading the most successful translation effort [15:04] and his team meets the naming scheme [15:04] so it has the highest chance of being adopted as official [15:04] now the thing is [15:04] for everyone's benefit [15:04] can you talk to him, discuss the problem perhaps [15:04] if you think he's not accepting new members or something [15:04] can he relax any constraints, get everyone in that team [15:05] mark it as official [15:05] so that we can go forward [15:05] I don't quite know him personally [15:05] i don't know him personally, but I know someone who does [15:05] u mean this team [15:05] so I guess it's best if you do some talking ? [15:05] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-ar [15:05] Yes that [15:05] well [15:05] we need to talk one way or the other [15:05] an email thread is fine [15:06] but I guess a phone call from soneone he knows would be a good intro [15:06] ok but i guess this is a separate problem from the first one [15:06] we have 2 problems [15:06] Yes absolutely [15:06] first that the arabic teams are not listed as Arabic supporters :) [15:06] we have many problems really .. we're just trying to solve 2 :D [15:06] and this daker is fixing it [15:06] loool mashy [15:07] yep [15:07] the second one is trying to make khaled accept more translators [15:07] and make the group official [15:07] Consolidate one team as official [15:07] I think there's 5 teams now [15:07] as official translation team ? [15:07] Yes [15:07] but i guess most of the Ubuntu is translated by Khaled [15:07] launchpad has to appoint a team as official [15:07] currently none is [15:08] bec of the fighting [15:08] or that's how I understand it [15:08] and there's a good chance I may be wrong [15:08] bec I am new to all of this [15:08] khaled probably exactly understands the issues [15:08] so what's is needed from him exactly ? [15:09] check this [15:09] I don't know what's stopping him from accepting other members, perhaps sharing team ownership/admin status with their leaders [15:09] https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+lang/ar [15:09] but if that were done, we could apply for that team to be official and start working [15:09] check the page i just sent [15:10] Yeah! makana :) [15:10] that's why I think it makes sense to capitalize on him [15:10] he's making the work [15:10] it's a meritocracy [15:10] it says that "These Ubuntu translations are managed by Ubuntu Arabic Translators." [15:10] can you invite him to have a talk [15:10] in this irc room [15:11] so that at least we understand the real issue [15:11] ok i will try [15:11] great [15:11] but u i think they are the official team [15:11] today ? [15:11] noway :D [15:11] mm [15:11] he must be on irc somewhere [15:12] crap he's not online [15:13] what was that command to search for users on irc ? [15:13] his nick should be khaledhosny [15:13] from https://launchpad.net/~khaledhosny [15:13] yes... [15:13] how to find if he is online or not ? [15:13] - /msg him ? [15:14] thelinuxer: ok can you try to own this issue .. talk to him .. start an email thread .. get everyone talking ... etc [15:14] this problem has existed for a long time [15:14] if we could resolve it .. this would be quite good [15:14] eshta [15:15] great .. if you start an email thread .. get me in .. [15:15] ya mosahel [15:15] sure i will [15:15] check this [15:15] https://translations.launchpad.net/+groups/ubuntu-translators [15:15] they are the official translation team i guess [15:17] kim0: ping [15:18] thelinuxer: well read this thread [15:18] https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/108979 [15:19] I don't claim to understand what the problem is .. [15:20] but I got this email from the translations community guy [15:20] The situation with the Arabic team though, is a bit complex. Several people have created several teams but never agreed on which one to use, and no team ever applied to be added to the Launchpad Translators group [15:21] so there is some problem :) [15:21] There is an active Ubuntu Arabic Translation team https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-ar and they are appointed for translating Ubuntu intro Arabic. They are also a restricted team and there is a page describing how to help with the translations. [15:22] that's not khaled's team right [15:22] that's really confusing ! [15:22] Yeah .. I am just as confused [15:22] that's khaled's team [15:22] so far it seems like there is no problem [15:22] if they are the official team, y there is a problem aslan :) [15:22] although if David says there is one .. there must be one :) [15:24] i guess there is a team for lp [15:24] and a team for ubuntu [15:24] these are the official ones [15:24] bas mesh 3aref el ba2y dool eih [15:26] thelinuxer: I guess this thread explain things a bit [15:26] https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/108979 [15:26] read david's comment where he says "So to answer the question: yes, these are different translation groups" [15:27] yes i am reading the thread, but it's taking time :D [15:27] hehe [15:27] ok [15:30] khaled hosny replied to the thread [15:30] kim0: 10 days ago [15:30] kim0, thelinuxer do Yemen speaks Arabic ? [15:30] I think yes [15:30] i guess yes [15:30] yes they do [15:30] daker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemen [15:30] Yes [15:30] Khaled Hosny said on 2010-12-25: The lp-l10n-ar team seems to meet the naming policy, I've no problem with adding any other interested members to the team or even handing ownership to Usama or anyone else interested. [15:31] perhaps his team has not applied for launchpad group membership! [15:31] kim0: so he was already contacted and aware of the problem ... [15:31] As I said, there is no group appointed for Arabic translation in [15:31] Launchpad translators, and several teams which have effectively no [15:31] translation capability because of that [15:31] that's a quote [15:32] yes i agree [15:32] i am just saying he was already contacted by usama akkad [15:32] and usama is trying to join all team into one [15:32] thelinuxer: it migth be as simple khaled applying his team in launchpad [15:32] and khaled doesn't have a problem with that [15:33] ok [15:33] I'll probably have a better understanding on Mon [15:34] tab where do they apply for membership ? [15:39] kim0, http://pastebin.com/ta4vnFES [15:41] thelinuxer: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/275971 [15:41] Ubuntu bug 275971 in Ubuntu Website "Ubuntu Local support - Arabic Language" [Undecided,Invalid] [15:41] daker: Man .. Thou art amazing :) [15:42] daker: thelinuxer I'm commenting on that thread, mentioning this list daker created [15:42] hopefully this will resovle that problem [15:42] kim0: ya rab :) [15:42] daker: nice work man [15:43] kim0, wait wait [15:43] daker: what [15:44] kim0, http://pastebin.com/H845tGGN [15:44] daker: Morocco forum updated right ? [15:44] yeah [15:45] daker: what's the lifetime of this post ? [15:45] no idea ツ [15:45] I think pastebin asks you that [15:45] it says NEVER [15:45] ah ok .. [15:46] yes [15:46] cool posting [15:47] thelinuxer, thanks [15:47] daker: yw :) [15:50] bye guys, happy weekend :) [15:52] daker: Egypt team doesn't have forums ? [15:52] you listed algerie ? [15:54] yes [15:54] Egypt [15:54] IRC: #ubuntu-eg on irc.freenode.net [15:54] Website: http://www.ubuntu-eg.org/ [15:54] Forum: http://tunisie.ubuntuforums.org/ [15:54] Mailing List: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-eg [15:55] ah damn it [15:55] bad copy-paste [15:55] daker: can it be edited ? [15:56] daker: see where it says [15:56] i dunno [15:56] SUBMIT A CORRECTION OR AMENDMENT BELOW. [15:56] let's see how that looks like [15:56] kim0, you will do it ? [15:56] I guess you do it [15:56] maybe that's better [15:57] ok [15:57] if it results in a new URL .. let me know [15:57] I'll post an update [15:59] new url :s [15:59] http://pastebin.com/sWUSYUTn [16:00] ok thanks