[13:43] <kim0> um, anyone interested to resolve that bug up there
[13:43] <kim0> For some reason I am :)
[14:42] <thelinuxer> kim0: which bug ?
[14:43] <kim0> um
[14:43] <kim0> 23:12 < Yaron-Heb> Hey guys, an Arab related bug was marked as invalid in Launchpad, I'd be glad if anyone here will take a look at it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/275971
[14:43] <kim0> basically official "Arabic" language support
[14:43] <kim0> is listed under the Israeli team
[14:44] <kim0> they don't really want it and have voiced they don't support Arabic
[14:44] <kim0> there's this #ubuntu-arabic
[14:44] <kim0> which seems a bit dead
[14:44] <daker> yeah
[14:44] <kim0> the website maintainer (m nuzum) refused to link their website
[14:45] <daker> event the website
[14:45] <daker> even*
[14:45] <kim0> http://ubuntu-arabic.org/
[14:45] <kim0> since it looks as you can see
[14:45] <kim0> I think it makes sense to have a generic language based irc channel
[14:46] <kim0> so can someone step up .. help make the ubunt-arabic website make more sense (it could just be one page that makes sense, no need for complexity)
[14:46] <kim0> then we can apply to regain official Arabic language support
[14:47] <daker> the domain is parked
[14:48] <kim0> daker: is it unbought ? or bought with no website behind it
[14:49] <daker> kim0, it's for sale
[14:49] <daker> kim0, i don't the problem is the website
[14:50] <daker> all arabic can be listed there
[14:50] <daker> arabic teams*
[14:50] <daker> kim0, here http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/locallanguage
[14:50] <kim0> That is something I thought about as well
[14:50]  * kim0 checking it out
[14:50] <daker> Arabic as a categorie
[14:51] <kim0> daker: same thing .. it's Israel again
[14:51] <daker> yeah i know
[14:51] <daker> my solution is to have Arabic
[14:51] <thelinuxer> hmm
[14:51] <kim0> Actually, if we have a way to get a list of all arabic speaking loco teams ..
[14:51] <kim0> we can just list them all
[14:51] <daker> ya
[14:52] <kim0> daker: can we have that list :)
[14:52] <thelinuxer> i am little bit confused
[14:52] <daker> sure
[14:52] <kim0> thelinuxer: why ?
[14:52] <thelinuxer> confused about what needs to be done to solve the problem :)
[14:52] <kim0> Yeah kinda me too
[14:52] <thelinuxer> and y Arabic is listed under the il team
[14:52] <thelinuxer> that makes no sense
[14:52] <kim0> either we all "agree" on a new channel for generic Arabic support
[14:52] <thelinuxer> and also can we just change the wiki page
[14:53] <kim0> or we list all available arabic speaking loco teams (probably easier)
[14:53] <kim0> no idea who imagined .il support arabic
[14:53] <kim0> however whoever listed that was far sighted :)
[14:53] <thelinuxer> lol
[14:53] <kim0> hehee
[14:54] <thelinuxer> i guess we should create a section in this page with all Arabic teams. right ?
[14:54] <thelinuxer> like what's done for spanish
[14:54] <kim0> yeah something like that
[14:54] <kim0> except that it's also in another place
[14:54] <thelinuxer> where ?
[14:55] <kim0> nvm
[14:55] <thelinuxer> kim0: i feel stupid :D
[14:55] <kim0> thelinuxer: not really .. it's my mistake
[14:56] <kim0> thelinuxer: when u said can't we just edit the wiki
[14:56] <kim0> I imagined it was listed on the wiki + ubunt.com ..
[14:56] <kim0> I think it's just ubuntu.com
[14:56] <thelinuxer> ah
[14:56] <thelinuxer> la2 my bad keda b2a
[14:56] <kim0> anyway .. let's get a list of arabic speaking teams
[14:56] <thelinuxer> this is not a wiki page aslan
[14:57] <thelinuxer> cool it should take much time
[14:57] <kim0> daker the genie .. Are you trying to get that ?
[14:57] <thelinuxer> daker: r u on it ?
[14:57] <daker> kim0, thelinuxer ya
[14:57] <kim0> awesome!
[14:57] <thelinuxer> daker: cool
[14:57] <kim0> this man is made of pure awesomeness
[14:58] <thelinuxer> :)
[14:59] <kim0> thelinuxer: are you familiar with someone called Islam Hassan
[14:59] <thelinuxer> kim0: no, who is he ?
[14:59] <thelinuxer> of course momken akoon 3arfo we neseet :D
[15:01] <kim0> thelinuxer: Yeah, tell me about it .. I have a fish memory :)
[15:01] <kim0> thelinuxer: basically someone who wanted to start a new Arabic translations team
[15:02] <kim0> Are you aware of the issues there as well
[15:02] <kim0> basically multiple teams having fights
[15:02] <kim0> and no team appointed as the official team
[15:02] <kim0> thus no translation happening
[15:02] <thelinuxer> :S
[15:02] <kim0> that's as far as I could understand quickly
[15:02] <thelinuxer> as always ...
[15:02] <kim0> 7aga tefres :)
[15:03] <kim0> YES
[15:03] <thelinuxer> i guess i received an invitation or something to some translation team
[15:03] <thelinuxer> let me check keda
[15:03] <kim0> you must know khaled hosny ?
[15:03] <thelinuxer> yes of course
[15:03] <thelinuxer> dah el me3alem el kebeer
[15:03] <kim0> ok .. he's supposedly leading the most successful translation effort
[15:04] <kim0> and his team meets the naming scheme
[15:04] <kim0> so it has the highest chance of being adopted as official
[15:04] <kim0> now the thing is
[15:04] <kim0> for everyone's benefit
[15:04] <kim0> can you talk to him, discuss the problem perhaps
[15:04] <kim0> if you think he's not accepting new members or something
[15:04] <kim0> can he relax any constraints, get everyone in that team
[15:05] <kim0> mark it as official
[15:05] <kim0> so that we can go forward
[15:05] <kim0> I don't quite know him personally
[15:05] <thelinuxer> i don't know him personally, but I know someone who does
[15:05] <thelinuxer> u mean this team
[15:05] <kim0> so I guess it's best if you do some talking ?
[15:05] <thelinuxer> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-ar
[15:05] <kim0> Yes that
[15:05] <kim0> well
[15:05] <kim0> we need to talk one way or the other
[15:05] <kim0> an email thread is fine
[15:06] <kim0> but I guess a phone call from soneone he knows would be a good intro
[15:06] <thelinuxer> ok but i guess this is a separate problem from the first one
[15:06] <thelinuxer> we have 2 problems
[15:06] <kim0> Yes absolutely
[15:06] <thelinuxer> first that the arabic teams are not listed as Arabic supporters :)
[15:06] <kim0> we have many problems really .. we're just trying to solve 2 :D
[15:06] <thelinuxer> and this daker is fixing it
[15:06] <thelinuxer> loool  mashy
[15:07] <kim0> yep
[15:07] <thelinuxer> the second one is trying to make khaled accept more translators
[15:07] <thelinuxer> and make the group official
[15:07] <kim0> Consolidate one team as official
[15:07] <kim0> I think there's 5 teams now
[15:07] <thelinuxer> as official translation team ?
[15:07] <kim0> Yes
[15:07] <thelinuxer> but i guess most of the Ubuntu is translated by Khaled
[15:07] <kim0> launchpad has to appoint a team as official
[15:07] <kim0> currently none is
[15:08] <kim0> bec of the fighting
[15:08] <kim0> or that's how I understand it
[15:08] <kim0> and there's a good chance I may be wrong
[15:08] <kim0> bec I am new to all of this
[15:08] <kim0> khaled probably exactly understands the issues
[15:08] <thelinuxer> so what's is needed from him exactly ?
[15:09] <thelinuxer> check this
[15:09] <kim0> I don't know what's stopping him from accepting other members, perhaps sharing team ownership/admin status with their leaders
[15:09] <thelinuxer> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+lang/ar
[15:09] <kim0> but if that were done, we could apply for that team to be official and start working
[15:09] <thelinuxer> check the page i just sent
[15:10] <kim0> Yeah! makana :)
[15:10] <kim0> that's why I think it makes sense to capitalize on him
[15:10] <kim0> he's making the work
[15:10] <kim0> it's a meritocracy
[15:10] <thelinuxer> it says that "These Ubuntu translations are managed by Ubuntu Arabic Translators."
[15:10] <kim0> can you invite him to have a talk
[15:10] <kim0> in this irc room
[15:11] <kim0> so that at least we understand the real issue
[15:11] <thelinuxer> ok i will try
[15:11] <kim0> great
[15:11] <thelinuxer> but u i think they are the official team
[15:11] <kim0> today ?
[15:11] <thelinuxer> noway :D
[15:11] <kim0> mm
[15:11] <kim0> he must be on irc somewhere
[15:12] <kim0> crap he's not online
[15:13] <thelinuxer> what was that command to search for users on irc ?
[15:13] <kim0> his nick should be khaledhosny
[15:13] <kim0> from https://launchpad.net/~khaledhosny
[15:13] <thelinuxer> yes...
[15:13] <thelinuxer> how to find if he is online or not ?
[15:13] <kim0> - /msg him ?
[15:14] <kim0> thelinuxer: ok can you try to own this issue .. talk to him .. start an email thread .. get everyone talking ... etc
[15:14] <kim0> this problem has existed for a long time
[15:14] <kim0> if we could resolve it .. this would be quite good
[15:14] <thelinuxer> eshta
[15:15] <kim0> great .. if you start an email thread .. get me in ..
[15:15] <kim0> ya mosahel
[15:15] <thelinuxer> sure i will
[15:15] <thelinuxer> check this
[15:15] <thelinuxer> https://translations.launchpad.net/+groups/ubuntu-translators
[15:15] <thelinuxer> they are the official translation team i guess
[15:17] <thelinuxer> kim0: ping
[15:18] <kim0> thelinuxer: well read this thread
[15:18] <kim0> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/108979
[15:19] <kim0> I don't claim to understand what the problem is ..
[15:20] <kim0> but I got this email from the translations community guy
[15:20] <kim0> The situation with the Arabic team though, is a bit complex. Several people have created several teams but never agreed on which one to use, and no team ever applied to be added to the Launchpad Translators group
[15:21] <kim0> so there is some problem :)
[15:21] <thelinuxer> There is an active Ubuntu Arabic Translation team https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-ar  and they are appointed for translating Ubuntu intro Arabic. They are  also a restricted team and there is a page describing how to help with  the translations.
[15:22] <kim0> that's not khaled's team right
[15:22] <thelinuxer> that's really confusing !
[15:22] <kim0> Yeah .. I am just as confused
[15:22] <thelinuxer> that's khaled's team
[15:22] <kim0> so far it seems like there is no problem
[15:22] <thelinuxer> if they are the official team, y there is a problem aslan :)
[15:22] <kim0> although if David says there is one .. there must be one :)
[15:24] <thelinuxer> i guess there is a team for lp
[15:24] <thelinuxer> and a team for ubuntu
[15:24] <thelinuxer> these are the official ones
[15:24] <thelinuxer> bas mesh 3aref el ba2y dool eih
[15:26] <kim0> thelinuxer: I guess this thread explain things a bit
[15:26] <kim0> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/108979
[15:26] <kim0> read david's comment where he says "So to answer the question: yes, these are different translation groups"
[15:27] <thelinuxer> yes i am reading the thread, but it's taking time :D
[15:27] <kim0> hehe
[15:27] <kim0> ok
[15:30] <thelinuxer> khaled hosny replied to the thread
[15:30] <thelinuxer> kim0: 10 days ago
[15:30] <daker> kim0, thelinuxer do Yemen speaks Arabic ?
[15:30] <kim0> I think yes
[15:30] <daker> i guess yes
[15:30] <thelinuxer> yes they do
[15:30] <kim0> daker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemen
[15:30] <kim0> Yes
[15:30] <thelinuxer>                      Khaled Hosny          said     on 2010-12-25:       The lp-l10n-ar team seems to meet the  naming policy, I've no problem with adding any other interested members  to the team or even handing ownership to Usama or anyone else  interested.
[15:31] <kim0> perhaps his team has not applied for launchpad group membership!
[15:31] <thelinuxer> kim0: so he was already contacted and aware of the problem ...
[15:31] <kim0> As I said, there is no group appointed for Arabic translation in
[15:31] <kim0> Launchpad translators, and several teams which have effectively no
[15:31] <kim0> translation capability because of that
[15:31] <kim0> that's a quote
[15:32] <thelinuxer> yes i agree
[15:32] <thelinuxer> i am just saying he was already contacted by usama akkad
[15:32] <thelinuxer> and usama is trying to join all team into one
[15:32] <kim0> thelinuxer: it migth be as simple khaled applying his team in launchpad
[15:32] <thelinuxer> and khaled doesn't have a problem with that
[15:33] <thelinuxer> ok
[15:33] <kim0> I'll probably have a better understanding on Mon
[15:34] <thelinuxer> tab where do they apply for membership ?
[15:39] <daker> kim0, http://pastebin.com/ta4vnFES
[15:41] <kim0> thelinuxer: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/275971
[15:41] <kim0> daker: Man .. Thou art amazing :)
[15:42] <kim0> daker: thelinuxer I'm commenting on that thread, mentioning this list daker created
[15:42] <kim0> hopefully this will resovle that problem
[15:42] <thelinuxer> kim0: ya rab :)
[15:42] <thelinuxer> daker: nice work man
[15:43] <daker> kim0, wait wait
[15:43] <kim0> daker: what
[15:44] <daker> kim0, http://pastebin.com/H845tGGN
[15:44] <kim0> daker: Morocco forum updated right ?
[15:44] <daker> yeah
[15:45] <kim0> daker: what's the lifetime of this post ?
[15:45] <daker> no idea ツ
[15:45] <kim0> I think pastebin asks you that
[15:45] <daker> it says NEVER
[15:45] <kim0> ah ok ..
[15:46] <kim0> yes
[15:46] <kim0> cool posting
[15:47] <daker> thelinuxer, thanks
[15:47] <thelinuxer> daker: yw :)
[15:50] <thelinuxer> bye guys, happy weekend :)
[15:52] <kim0> daker: Egypt team doesn't have forums ?
[15:52] <kim0> you listed algerie ?
[15:54] <daker> yes
[15:54] <daker> Egypt
[15:54] <daker> IRC: #ubuntu-eg on irc.freenode.net
[15:54] <daker> Website: http://www.ubuntu-eg.org/
[15:54] <daker> Forum: http://tunisie.ubuntuforums.org/
[15:54] <daker> Mailing List: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-eg
[15:55] <daker> ah damn it
[15:55] <daker> bad copy-paste
[15:55] <kim0> daker: can it be edited ?
[15:56] <kim0> daker: see where it says
[15:56] <daker> i dunno
[15:56] <kim0> SUBMIT A CORRECTION OR AMENDMENT BELOW.
[15:56] <kim0> let's see how that looks like
[15:56] <daker> kim0, you will do it ?
[15:56] <kim0> I guess you do it
[15:56] <kim0> maybe that's better
[15:57] <daker> ok
[15:57] <kim0> if it results in a new URL .. let me know
[15:57] <kim0> I'll post an update
[15:59] <daker> new url :s
[15:59] <daker> http://pastebin.com/sWUSYUTn
[16:00] <kim0> ok thanks