[09:29] <daker> anyone can open the website ? ubuntu-manual.org ?
[09:30] <godbyk> daker: it timed out for me. let me look into it.
[09:30] <daker> ok
[09:30] <godbyk> the server itself is online.
[09:30] <daker> same for me
[09:30] <godbyk> I can ssh into it.
[09:32] <godbyk> daker: can you access http://kevin.godby.org/?  it's on the same server.
[09:32] <daker> godbyk, yes i can
[09:33] <godbyk> daker: me, too. it's on the same machine.
[09:33] <godbyk> still poking and prodding.
[09:34] <daker> godbyk, O.o
[09:34] <daker> Domain ID:D158475795-LROR
[09:34] <daker> Domain Name:UBUNTU-MANUAL.ORG
[09:34] <daker> Created On:28-Feb-2010 10:45:13 UTC
[09:34] <daker> Last Updated On:12-Jul-2010 00:11:18 UTC
[09:35] <daker> Expiration Date:28-Feb-2011 10:45:13 UTC
[09:35] <godbyk> daker: seems like it's back up.
[09:35] <godbyk> is it up for you now?
[09:35] <daker> yes
[09:35] <godbyk> 'kay.
[09:35] <godbyk> not sure what the problem was.
[09:35] <godbyk> I didn't do anything.
[09:36] <daker> LoL
[09:36] <daker> godbyk, Expiration Date:28-Feb-2011 10:45:13 UTC
[09:36] <daker> it's going to expire the next month
[09:36] <godbyk> I see that.
[09:37] <godbyk> I think Ben's the registrant.
[09:37] <godbyk> We'll have to see if he wants to continuing renewing it or if we need to find someone else to step up.
[09:37] <daker> ok
[15:19] <popey> is the build process for the developer manual broken at the moment?
[15:20] <popey> i successfully built it some time ago, but just checked out latest and it barfs during building on the same machine
[15:49] <dutchie> godbyk: ^^
[16:57] <ChrisWoollard> which packages to you have
[16:57] <ChrisWoollard> for the dev manual you now need the upstream texlive packages
[17:03] <ChrisWoollard> instructions for installing the toolchain are located here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/10.10/DeveloperManual/Toolchain
[17:03] <ChrisWoollard> I'll be back later if you have further questions.
[21:03] <godbyk> Hey, popey. Did you succeed in building the dev manual?
[21:39] <c7p> hey godbyk
[21:42] <godbyk> hey, c7p. how's it going?
[21:43] <c7p> godbyk:  nice we are updating the get involved pages with Patrick these days
[21:45] <c7p> regarding Tex Live, we should replace the Tex Live 2009 with Tex Live 2010 right ? or are we waiting for 2011 version ?
[21:45] <godbyk> cool
[21:45] <godbyk> the 2010 version came out just a few months ago. and the 2011 version won't be out until much later this year.
[21:45] <c7p> ok nice
[21:45] <godbyk> (they usually aim to release in the summer, but it ends up being late fall before it happens.)
[21:46] <c7p> Also another question
[21:46] <c7p> :)
[21:47] <c7p> take a look on http://ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved/authors,
[21:47] <godbyk> 'kay.
[21:48] <c7p> on the Tex part, the minimun collections are those that are listed on page, right ?
[21:49] <popey> godbyk: no, only tried once
[21:49] <godbyk> c7p: I think so.  But the install-pkgs.sh script should catch any that were missed.
[21:50] <godbyk> c7p: be extra sure to enable the create symlinks option.
[21:50] <c7p> ok
[21:51] <godbyk> popey: okay. well, I pulled the latest from bzr and ran 'make' and it worked okay here.  if you're seeing any error messages, let me know. I'm happy to help you troubleshoot it.
[21:54] <popey> godbyk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/551245/
[21:54] <godbyk> popey: I think you have an old version of the csquotes package.
[21:55] <godbyk> popey: are you using the tex live from upstream?
[21:55] <popey> i think so
[21:55] <godbyk> (if you're unsure, run 'which tlmgr'. if something shows up, you're using upstream.)
[21:56] <popey> one mo /usr/local/bin/tlmgr
[21:56] <popey> so i setup this box when the udm was first announced
[21:56] <popey> not updated from upstream at all
[21:56] <godbyk> popey: cool.  okay, run 'sudo apt-get install perl-tk'
[21:56] <popey> dont know how
[21:56] <godbyk> then run 'sudo tlmgr --gui'
[21:57] <godbyk> (Because, hey, who doesn't like a Tk GUI?)
[21:57] <popey> uh
[21:57] <popey> its a remote box
[21:57] <godbyk> oh, okay.
[21:57] <godbyk> we can do it on the command-line, too.
[21:57] <godbyk> one sec.
[21:57] <popey> cool
[21:57] <popey> i can ssh -x if thats easier?
[21:58] <godbyk> run 'sudo tlmgr update csquotes'.  see if that works.
[21:58] <godbyk> (I never use the command-line version, I guess.)
[21:58] <popey> thats doing stuff..
[21:58] <popey> thanks godbyk
[21:59] <popey> The release version of the installation source and the installation media
[21:59] <popey> do not agree: source: 2010, media: 2009
[21:59] <godbyk> looks like 'sudo tlmgr update --all' will update all the installed packages. you should do that at some point, probably.
[21:59] <popey> Please fix your location http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/sites/ctan.org/systems/texlive/tlnet at /usr/local/bin/tlmgr line 4205.
[21:59] <godbyk> try the --all option.  see if that works around it.
[21:59] <popey> ok
[22:00] <popey> same error from --all
[22:00] <godbyk> 'kay. can we give the gui a try?  (It does most of the behind the scenes.)
[22:00] <popey> ya, one mo
[22:10] <popey> bah, give up on that machine
[22:10] <popey> will install on my desktop instead
[22:11] <godbyk> 'kay.
[22:12] <popey> or I'll just cron wgetting the manual from someone else :D
[22:14] <godbyk> I think they're going go release draft PDFs regularly.
[22:14] <godbyk> you might also try 'tlmgr update --self'. that'll update tlmgr itself first.
[22:15] <godbyk> not sure if it'll get over the 2009/2010 transition though.
[22:15] <godbyk> (I know the gui can, not sure how to do it on the cmd line right off.)
[22:27] <c7p> night all