pr0ph3tali1234, almost done with the rebuild, getting ready to reboot into new kernel00:07
pr0ph3tali1234, it's taking a lot longer than I thought00:33
ali1234building the kernel and all modules for x86 takes a long long time00:33
pr0ph3tali1234, I did not actually change anything in the configs00:33
pr0ph3tI am doing it for amd6400:34
ali1234that's probably even worse00:34
pr0ph3tI should have selected only the stuff that I needed right?00:35
pr0ph3twhat is worse?00:35
ali1234building for 64 bit takes longer00:36
pr0ph3tanyway, is this just a test? I will have to rebuild it after I apply the patch correct?00:37
pr0ph3tpatch, correct?*00:37
pr0ph3tI remember doing the recompiling a long time ago with slack and other distros00:38
ali1234you're also building a deb now00:38
pr0ph3tthere was always something that wasn't quite the same after00:38
ali1234that's why you don't change the config00:39
pr0ph3tbut you had to at the time00:39
pr0ph3tit was fun, adding all the experimental modules etc.00:40
ali1234why o why does the bttv driver suck so bad?00:40
pr0ph3tthis is the problem I am trying to deal with by the way: http://dev.iksaif.net/issues/10800:43
pr0ph3tali1234, how old is the driver?00:45
ali1234not very old?00:45
ali1234if you look here: http://git.iksaif.net/?p=acpi4asus.git;a=shortlog;h=7d220c2c2cd249763698db7483fb0e1e7a420f4300:47
ali1234you can see where linus merged the driver into mainline00:47
ali1234then there are 4 commits more recent than that00:47
the1knighti need a little help with audacity, can anyone help?00:51
pr0ph3tali1234, it doesn't say anywhere that the patch for WWAN has been merged00:52
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pr0ph3tali1234, it just says that other things have been fixed, but that is still untested00:53
pr0ph3tali1234, last comment is on 2010-10-10, I read about a guy that tried the patch and said it worked so00:54
the1knightcan anyone read my text please?00:55
pr0ph3tthe1knight, say what it is you need help with specifically and someone might be able to help00:56
the1knightoh ok00:57
the1knightIn audacity I have no navigation menu, e.g file, view etc00:57
the1knightuninstalled and re-installed but still the same00:58
the1knightproblem is on two computers both running 10.1000:59
ali1234pr0ph3t: i'm looking at the file in ubuntu maverick kernel and it has that patch, at least parts of it00:59
pr0ph3tali1234, the problem is that this machine has wlan, bluetooth and wwan controlled by a series of RFSWITCHES01:01
pr0ph3tthe one for 3G just doesn't turn it on01:01
pr0ph3tso it is there but cannot be used01:01
ali1234it doesn't matter; that patch is already present on the maverick kernel01:01
pr0ph3tthey fixed and implemented the switches for wlan and bluetooth though01:01
ali1234you need to report a new bug i guess01:02
ali1234hmm waaaaaait01:02
pr0ph3tthey fixed part of it01:02
ali1234i am on wrong branch01:02
ali1234yes, maverick kernel does not have this01:02
pr0ph3twhich kernel you were looking at?01:03
ali1234asus-laptop branch01:03
ali1234the thing is, that exact patch from the bug report is no longer in the tree01:04
ali1234it's been cleaned and commited properly01:04
ali1234i just need to track it down01:04
pr0ph3tso there is a asus-laptop branch01:04
ali1234it;s on acpi4asus branch as well01:04
pr0ph3tcould I use that kernel then?01:04
ali1234ah here we are: ba1ff5be52163a97ac4ce8bc51beae2c96861a4301:05
ali1234this is the equivalent version of that patch01:05
ali1234so you need to add that patch into maverick kernel...01:05
ali1234let's see if it applies clean...01:06
the1knightIn audacity I have no navigation menu, e.g file, view etc. uninstalled and re-installed but still the same.  problem is on two computers both running 10.1001:06
ali1234i wonder if this patch is in mainline...01:07
ali1234it's quite old so it might be01:07
pr0ph3tthe1knight, have you tried pressing alt+f?01:07
ali1234it is in linus' tree...01:08
the1knightno but i will, hold on01:08
ali1234pr0ph3t: ok this patch is in linux 2.6.37 which was released today :)01:09
pr0ph3tit maybe just superfluous for the generic kernel, I have an asus-laptop01:09
ali1234specifically it looks like it went in to rc601:09
pr0ph3tali1234, oh my, I tried the 2.6.37 a couple of days ago01:09
the1knightpressed alt+f. it doesnt give me the menu bar but it does bring up file, for save as etc, if you see what i mean01:10
ali1234pr0ph3t: which version?01:10
pr0ph3tali1234, not sure01:10
ali1234by a "couple of days" do you actually mean 2 and a half weeks?01:10
ali1234rc6 was packaged for ubuntu on 16th december01:11
pr0ph3tali1234, I installed the alpha of natty01:11
ali1234!info linux natty01:11
lubotu3linux (source: linux-meta): Generic complete Linux kernel.. In component main, is optional. Version (natty), package size 2 kB, installed size 32 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 all armel powerpc)01:11
ali1234hmm... did you install all updates?01:12
pr0ph3tali1234, I didn't try to connect with 3g01:12
ali1234perhaps this patch simply does not fix your problem...01:12
pr0ph3tali1234, I could just boot into 2.6.37 then01:13
ali1234it's definitely worth a try, but ensure that the natty kernel is newer than rc601:13
the1knightusing alt+f allows me to navigate across using arrow keys but the actual menu bar remains hidden01:13
ali1234hopefully they will package up the final release asap01:13
pr0ph3tali1234, thanks very much for your help01:14
ali1234i'm not really sure it will solve your problem entirely... do you have the exact same model as the bug reporter?01:14
the1knightsorry im new to this, ill try again01:14
the1knightpr0ph3t - using alt+f allows me to navigate across using arrow keys but the actual menu bar remains hidden01:15
pr0ph3tthe1knight, try holding the alt key and click on the audacity window moving it downwards, the menu is not visible because it is out of the screen01:15
pr0ph3tbelow the panel01:15
pr0ph3tali1234, yes it is the only model with built-in 3g01:16
ali1234ok, maybe you will be all set then01:16
ali1234there should be a unofficial backport of 2.6.37 to maverick too01:16
ali1234if you don't want to risk using the alpha/beta test versions01:16
pr0ph3tali1234, download and boot the new kernel in maverick?01:16
ali1234here there are unofficial mainline kernel packages: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/01:17
ali1234there's no 2.6.37 final release for maverick yet, but hopefully it will show up01:17
ali1234failing that you can just make your own01:17
ali1234using a mainline kernel is less likely to go horribly wrong than using the beta versions of ubuntu natty01:18
ali1234then you can upgrade proper when natty is released01:18
pr0ph3tI wish I could help more with natty01:19
pr0ph3tI tried it but I gave up pretty quickly01:19
the1knightpr0ph3t - tried clicking on audacity window and moving it downwards but nothing happens. I think I might be able to get by though with what I have, unless there are other suggestions01:19
ali1234you might actually be able to install this deb on maverick: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.37-natty/01:19
ali1234i know it says natty... but it's only a kernel... there isn't much that can go wrong01:20
ali1234and you can always go back to previous kernel from boot menu01:20
pr0ph3tthe1knight, press alt+click and move01:20
pr0ph3tali1234, I'll keep the kernel I have now on grub01:20
ali1234of course01:20
ali1234always keep a known good kernel01:21
the1knightpr0ph3t - no that just moves audacity around the screen01:21
pr0ph3tplus I'll add that one and give it a try01:21
ali1234actually i know why it says natty - it means it was built with natty toolchain (gcc)01:21
ali1234that shouldn't hurt anything01:21
pr0ph3tali1234, I'm gonna have to wait to the end of the compilation though :P01:23
ali1234ok... cherry picking the patch doesn't look to hard either01:23
ali1234you just have to resolve a few conflicts01:23
pr0ph3tali1234, which conflicts?01:25
ali1234the patch doesn't apply cleanly01:25
ali1234so you have to fix it up a bit01:25
the1knightpr0ph3t - ty for trying, i think i can manage with what i have01:26
pr0ph3tali1234, well the compilation should be about to finish01:29
ali1234if you want to put the patch into the official maverick kernel this is what you would do: http://pastebin.com/qE4tq1bf01:30
ali1234but i would try mainline first01:30
pr0ph3tali1234, when you talk about different branches, are you referring to actual kernels geared to specific platforms?01:30
ali1234a branch is a fork in the source history01:31
ali1234it's a place to test out patches and new code01:31
ali1234then linus merges all the branches into mainline01:31
ali1234a branch is a specific git term01:32
pr0ph3tali1234, I'm gonna try mainline first01:34
pr0ph3tand then I'll patch the maverick kernel as well01:34
pr0ph3tali1234, booting 2.6.37 rc8, brb01:38
pr0ph3tor not, it's still compiling01:41
ali1234you're not compiling on a laptop are you? that will take ages...01:44
ali1234btw why -rc8?01:45
ali1234i can confirm it has the patch01:45
ali1234but there is a final package01:45
ali1234the one with out -rc (which means release candidate)01:45
pr0ph3ton a laptop yes, it's just finished01:46
pr0ph3thi all, mobile broadband still not registered -_-03:07
pr0ph3tI don't know what else to do, my 3g won't work03:07
nigelbdaubers: poke?07:29
nigelbMorning TheOpenSourcerer :)07:30
MartijnVdSwhoa, you're up early :)07:30
nigelb7:30 is early? ;)07:31
nigelbBesides its 1 pm in my TZ.07:31
MartijnVdSit's 8:30 here, but still.. it FEELS early :)07:31
TheOpenSourcererMorning nigelb Happy New Year to you.07:32
nigelbTheOpenSourcerer: Happy New Year to you too :)07:32
nigelbI'm looking for people who want to perhaps take a User Days session07:33
Apacheukmorning everyone07:41
bigcalmMorning peeps (this is way too early)07:56
MartijnVdS\o bigcalm08:02
bigcalmHi MartijnVd08:02
bigcalmDo people normally get up at this time?08:03
bigcalmIt feels horrible08:03
TheOpenSourcererbigcalm: I get up about 06:15 usually.08:04
bigcalmTheOpenSourcerer: you crazy fool!08:04
bigcalmI work from home and my office is next to the bedroom. I really don't need such an early start08:04
TheOpenSourcererNah - If I didn't the kids wouldn't be ready for school and my wife would be still asleep due to lack of Tea.08:05
TheOpenSourcererMy office is next to the kitchen ;-)08:05
bigcalmAh, one of the joys of not having children ;)08:05
bigcalmI always defrost GF's car for her so she had one less thing to stress about in the morning08:06
bigcalmBut today she wanted to go in extra early08:07
bigcalmTreated myself to breakfast from McDonalld's. Regretting it08:07
TheOpenSourcererEewww "treat" and McDonalds don't really go together do they?08:08
bigcalmNot really, no08:08
dwatkinsKids think they do, if they're led to believe so.08:09
AlanBellTheOpenSourcerer: all set?08:10
TheOpenSourcererI am.08:10
AlanBellok, I will pop round shortly08:10
AlanBellknow where we are going?08:10
AlanBellnear St Georges, I know the way there08:12
DJonesMorning all08:41
screen-xmorning :)08:42
bigcalmMorning kids :)08:45
FNDgood morning08:50
FNDany tips on upgrading to 2.6.36 (not 37) kernel on Maverick (short of compiling it)? I've tried the kernel PPA, but that didn't seem to have anything useful08:50
screen-xmorning bigcalm, you've adopted the parent role?08:50
bigcalmscreen-x: I like to make people think that they aren't as old as they really are ;)08:51
screen-xbigcalm: awww :)08:51
bigcalmOr 'kids' could be more like 'kids in the hall'08:51
DJonesAnd there was me thinking it was a reference to AlanBell's naughty kids from yesterday08:53
bigcalmDJones: do you feel like a naughty child?08:54
DJonesbigcalm: Definately :)08:54
MartijnVdSDJones: Do you need a nanny? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQZEvBrrv7k08:55
DJonesI always feel like I'm naughty and still act like a child (So my wife keeps saying)08:55
bigcalmI still don't feel like an adult08:55
screen-xFND: prob have to use a package from the kernel ppa for natty08:56
FNDscreen-x: how do I get to that?08:57
screen-xFND: see versions on this page http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/info/kernel-version-map.html08:57
* FND clicks08:58
FNDI'm not sure I can make sufficient sense of this08:59
FNDI've been to http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.36.2-natty/ before - but didn't dare to use the .deb there (also, no PAE AFAICT)08:59
FNDso I guess I should compile it myself after all09:00
screen-xFND: building your own is fine, but build it as a package rather than a standard kernel image so you can install/remove as normal.09:03
FNDis there an authoritative guide? I found some, but they were more or less random blogs09:04
screen-xFND: Sadly documentation seems to be messy, the community kernel compilation wiki page isn't great.09:07
screen-xFND: this page looks helpful: http://blog.avirtualhome.com/2010/11/06/how-to-compile-a-ubuntu-10-10-maverick-kernel/09:08
FNDthanks screen-x!09:08
daubersnigelb: Hello09:08
screen-xand to be fair to the wiki, that page is linked from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile09:08
screen-xmorning daubers09:09
daubersMorning :)09:09
nigelbdaubers: heya09:14
nigelbdaubers: would you like you do a user days session?09:15
nigelbdaubers: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/CourseSuggestions09:15
daubersnigelb: When is it?09:17
nigelbdaubers: Jan 29th weekend09:18
daubersnigelb: I'll have to check my calender09:20
daubersnigelb: And she's off at Uni at the moment :)09:20
bigcalmGood morning czajkowski *hugs* :)09:21
nigelbdaubers: haha, ok09:22
nigelbdaubers: get back to me if you decided to have a go at it :)09:23
czajkowskibigcalm: ello09:23
daubersnigelb: Remind me this evening and I'll check09:23
nigelbdaubers: great, will do :)09:23
bigcalmWanted: sleep09:23
nigelbbigcalm: About 200$ per minute.  Rates are high.09:24
czajkowskiMy talk for FOSDEM got accepted :D09:29
MartijnVdSwhat's it about?09:29
czajkowskiIs the UK Government backing Free Software?09:30
dwatkinsnice one, czajkowski :D09:30
czajkowskidwatkins: indeed, now I just need to write it...09:31
dwatkinsczajkowski: pah, just make it up as you go along ;)09:31
DJonesczajkowski: And persuade the Government to go with the plan :)09:31
dwatkinswho needs well-weitten notes and preparation....?09:31
dwatkinssee, not me09:31
popeygood morning09:45
daubersmorning popey09:45
bigcalmHi popey and other awake people09:48
bigcalmI want to sleep!09:48
bigcalmCurse my kindness09:48
* dwatkins hands bigcalm a keyboard pillow09:48
nigelbMorning popey09:48
bigcalmdwatkins: one that lets me code with my nose?09:49
JamesTaitGooooooooooood morning people!09:49
dwatkinsbigcalm: no, you only have the neural interface with Ubuntu 32767.04, I'm afraid. Please be carefult o turn it off when actually sleeping in case you end up coding Alice in Wonderland in COBOL whilst you sleep...09:50
bigcalmdwatkins: I'm reading AiW on my Kindle at the moment. I fear this may happen soon09:51
MartijnVdSdwatkins: watch out for signed integer overflow :)09:52
dwatkinsbigcalm: excellent choice both in reader and book09:52
dwatkinspopey: it took me a minute, yeah09:52
bigcalmpopey: I gave my parents my Kindle to play with. Neither are interested in getting one. Really surprised me09:52
dwatkinsbigcalm: the Kindle appears to have been the most popular present I got my other half, she can't put it down09:53
dwatkinsthe free 3G is an awesome idea, especially with internet browsing working (all be it badly at times)09:53
bigcalmdwatkins: my GF was over the moon with the earings and necklace I got her. Quite pleased with myself09:53
davmor2morning all09:54
bigcalmHi davmor209:54
dwatkinsbigcalm: not everyone wears jewellery, of course ;)09:54
dwatkinsnot every woman, that is09:54
dwatkinshaving said that, I already got her a necklace recently09:54
screen-xbigcalm: score!09:54
screen-xI am very bad at choosing non-functional decorative things.09:55
bigcalmSame here09:55
bigcalmI think it's an engineer's trait09:55
dwatkinsbigcalm: I also got her a rubik's cube phone charm, which was half-way between retro chic and bling ;)09:55
dwatkinsI'm terrible at choosing jewwllery, hence not having gotten her much of it09:55
dwatkinsI did get her a bass clef necklace because she plays the trombone, and she had a treble cleff one because she couldn't find the bass one at the time, hooray for google09:56
bigcalmGF was with me when I saw the set. Asked her if she liked it. "Yes but I wouldn't want to pay that for it". So I nipped back the next day and bought it. That was a couple of months before Xmas09:56
dwatkinssounds like a familiar scenario09:57
dwatkinsWe visited a shop in Edinburgh which had some really nice artwork on notebooks and water bottles, but I never got around to going back there to get it, turns out they are online, though: gorjussart (although sadly the artist has been ill lately)09:58
bigcalmHow sweet it looks09:59
dwatkinsyeah bigcalm - we're popping to the same shop again on Sunday to get a couple things, we might even visit their shop which I think is in Glasgow10:09
kazadegood morning all10:14
screen-xmorning kazade10:14
bigcalmmgdm: butt load of files updated in svn10:45
BigRedSHm. Diff appears to be showing differences that aren't different.10:46
bigcalmCould be a new line issue10:47
dwatkinsor a file format problem, e.g. DOS vs linux end of line10:48
BigRedSah yeah10:48
dwatkinsoh, you said that, sorry10:48
bigcalmalias svndw='svn diff --diff-cmd diff -x -uw'10:48
BigRedSnah, it's config files between last night's backup and the one's apache's complaining about10:48
BigRedSactually, just -qw does what I'm after, really10:51
BigRedSI've just remembered I went through and indented a bunch of the files trying to make them readable, and so that's what diff was picking up10:52
bigcalmComputers are never wrong!10:53
bigcalmUser error. Replace user and press any key to continue10:53
screen-xbigcalm: reminds me, I need to watch tron :)10:53
BigRedSbigcalm: yup! :)10:53
daubersEnd of Line10:54
screen-xdaubers: all change?10:54
bigcalmGF keeps falling asleep whilst watching Tron. Not sure if it's worth it to go and see Tron: Legacy ot not10:55
bigcalmIf we do, it'll be in 2d10:55
daubersscreen-x: That was what the MCP always said10:56
daubersbigcalm: Definatley!10:56
bigcalmMaster Control Programme10:57
screen-xknackered powerbook that I was bidding for is now up to £40, not paying that for it :(10:57
* popey pokes AlanBell 10:57
bigcalmErm, Program10:57
screen-xahh.. you can see I haven't watched tron yet ;-)10:57
bigcalmscreen-x: the original one10:57
bigcalmNot at all?10:57
daubersscreen-x: The original one is class!10:58
bigcalmHow shameful10:58
screen-x /o\10:58
czajkowskia bomb seems to have gone off in my inbox from one person, and a mailing lists 18 maisl since 6 pm yesterday :s10:59
popeythats good is it?10:59
czajkowskinot at all10:59
popeyoh :(10:59
czajkowskiI now have more conference calls to take part in next week10:59
screen-xczajkowski: at least they aren't video calls?11:00
bigcalmI thought you liked calls11:00
czajkowskibigcalm: I do, but I'm on a lot of them lately11:00
czajkowskiwhich is good...11:00
czajkowskibut my timetable is getting a tad full11:00
bigcalm11am - time for TEA!11:01
screen-xHeh, I'm not great at conference calls, I tend let everybody else do the talking..11:01
popeywe always use fake names on conf calls here11:01
popeyyesterday I was pol pot11:01
popeyor we give eachothers names11:01
popeywhich is good fun when they do a roll call11:01
screen-xpopey: who do you work for (apart from yourself...) there always seems to comedy going on..11:02
popey"Alan, Dean, Dean, Dean, Dean, Dean"11:02
MartijnVdSpopey: "Benedictus"11:02
czajkowskibeats the :Alan Alan Alan Alan Dean roll I suspect11:02
daubers"Hugh, Pugh, Barney, McGrue, Cuthbert, Dibble, Grub"11:02
screen-x\o/ I'm first11:02
bigcalm3rd from last, but not quite11:03
bigcalmscreen-x: whois me11:03
screen-xahh +son11:04
bigcalmThat's something I've noticed about Freenode; most people tend to put their real name in that field11:04
daubersIs what I was referring to11:05
bigcalmdaubers: we know ;)11:05
bigcalmI'm surprised they put out any fires, the speed they were going at11:06
DJonesdaubers: That takes me back to my childhood11:07
brobostigonmorning all.11:15
brobostigonhi bigcalm11:16
DJonesHi brobostigon11:16
brobostigonmorning DJones11:17
* daubers makes some coffee11:17
MartijnVdSgood idea11:17
andylockranwhen did I logout of here?11:21
bigcalmMorning andylockran11:21
popeyhowdy howdy howdy11:22
andylockranwondering if anyone knows where to find the latest regarding LDAP writing from Thunderbird?11:22
screen-x#ubuntu-uk.05.log:05-01-2011 21:51:06 -!- andylockran!~andylockr@genesis.zrmt.com has quit [Remote host closed the connection]11:22
andylockranscreen-x: ta11:23
DJonesandylockran: Looks like 21:51 Remote host closed the connection11:26
andylockranta DJones11:26
* popey hugs everyone11:26
andylockranright - LDAP addressbook writing in thunderbird11:26
popeyright, brainstorm...11:26
popeysuggestions for venues for oggcamp 2011?11:26
bigcalmpopey: tea to,e11:26
popeynot towns, specific locations11:26
andylockranlooks like the UI needs to support async events - so that's the blocker.11:26
bigcalmAnywhere that does good tea11:27
* popey adds that to his list11:27
screen-xCan someone try loading springpadit.com in chrome-ish browser? Completely fails for me, despite working in ff.11:27
dwatkinsmmm, tea11:27
* dwatkins will be going to get a nice big mug of Earl Grey shortly11:28
MartijnVdSscreen-x: anything that doesn't work specifically?11:28
MartijnVdSscreen-x: I get the main page in chromium11:28
popeywfm screen-x11:28
DJonesscreen-x: Looks ok to me in chrome under windows11:28
popeychrome on windows11:28
screen-xpage completely fails to appear for me, thanks for testing :)11:28
dwatkinsscreen-x: not a DNS problem, I presume11:29
screen-xpopey: how big is the london hackspace after expansion?11:29
andylockranpopey: oggcamp.. dead in chome :)11:29
popeynot big enough11:29
andylockranjust takes a while11:29
popeyhis host11:29
screen-xdwatkins: I don't think so, as works in ff11:29
andylockranpopey: madlab manchester?11:29
popeyneeds to be 3/4 rooms with over 100 capacity11:30
andylockranhow many sq feet?11:30
popeyno idea, depends how big 100 people are11:30
MartijnVdSare they americans?11:31
* popey notes maco is mercan and is probably the smallest person I have met11:31
andylockran200 sq feet per person is recommended for offices11:31
czajkowskipopey: surely mat revell is11:32
czajkowskihe's ickle11:32
andylockranbars recommnd 15-50 sq feet11:32
BigRedSHmm. I need to get a list of installed packages off a backup of a system, so I can't just got dpkg -l (actually, I need the version of a single package). I'm guessing it's under /var/cache/apt somewhere, anyone know exactly where off the top of their head?11:32
andylockranso for 100 people, we're looking between 3000-5000 sq foot of space11:32
andylockranMadLab is 1000 sq feet - so too small11:33
popeyBigRedS: dpkg --get-selections > file_containing_a_nice_list_of_installed_stuff.txt11:34
popeyBigRedS: you can't chroot it?11:34
screen-xBigRedS: /var/lib/dpkg/status ?11:34
BigRedSpopey: Nah, it's a drive plugged in to a running system, and I can't take that system down11:34
popeyyou could chroot it on the running system?11:35
BigRedSoh, yeah11:35
BigRedSthought up a completely different, convoluted way of using chroot to do my first idea...11:35
screen-xBigRedS: cat /var/lib/dpkg/status |grep -B1 "Status: install ok installed" |grep Package |sed 's/Package: //'11:39
screen-xif you can't chroot..11:40
BigRedSscreen-x: I just vimmed and /'d a couple of times :)11:40
davmor2czajkowski: prod morning11:40
czajkowskidavmor2: f'way11:41
shaunobit late now, but dpkg has a --admindir option to deal with that.  dpkg --admindir=/backups/var/lib/dpkg --get-selections11:43
screen-xooh didn't know that, thanks shauno11:43
BigRedSshauno: aha! I was hoping for one of those, but none of my searches in man dpkg found it11:43
* BigRedS notes that down for future reference11:44
popeythats handy!11:45
czajkowskihttp://www.cafepress.co.uk/+a_failure_to_plan_on_your_part,311781262 should be worn to all client meetings11:45
bigcalmI've met very few clients who admit to being wrong11:46
bigcalm#ot -  http://imgur.com/yydvc11:50
andylockranin the bind config, should I put multiple NS records?11:50
screen-xandylockran: when delegating a subdomain?11:51
andylockrangot the line: example.com. IN NS ns.example.com.11:51
andylockranif I have multiple NS for example.com, do I put them here (eg example.com. IN NS ns1.example.com.11:51
screen-xandylockran: yeah11:52
screen-xthen add glue records, as the nameservers are in zone11:52
andylockranscreen-x: and I'll add the glue records with my registrar?11:54
screen-xandylockran: yes, that sounds better, I was still in delegation mode..11:55
andylockranno worries11:55
andylockranI'm happy.  Though my registrar wanted to charge me £50 for adding glue records11:56
andylockrananyone with 123-reg .. know what they charge?11:56
screen-xI just started using gandi.net as recommended by someone in here ( MartijnVdS I think)11:56
screen-xSeems pretty good so far, they let you edit your actual zone file with a text area :)11:57
screen-xbigcalm: a records for name servers that are in zone.11:57
bigcalmI make do with joker.com but don't mess with DNS that much11:58
daubersStarting to get the hang of this TCP/IP communications thing12:00
MartijnVdSscreen-x: hm? :)12:00
screen-xMartijnVdS: was it you that recommend gandi.net to me? I'm now using them and happy :)12:01
* BigRedS has been reccomended gandi for domain registration12:02
BigRedSI very much like their tagline12:02
BigRedSand the fact that they do t-shirts...12:02
screen-xheh NSF#UUK12:03
* daubers uses gandi12:03
daubersNice being able to directly edit your own zone file12:03
bigcalmAlso nice to have pushy clicky options12:03
bigcalmGetting old again12:03
bigcalmBiotechnology and Biological Sciences Research Council - interesting12:04
andylockranI think I'm about to break my DNS for a bit :p12:06
screen-xandylockran: what are you up to?12:06
popeyhttp://www.ebuyer.com/product/183971 golly12:07
popey2TB for 70 quid12:07
* bigcalm slaps Clear Hand for being slightly silly12:08
bigcalmIt doesn't know about price reductions I see12:08
bigcalmOh, it would still have been cheaper on ebuyer anyway12:09
bigcalmWhy is it bothering to tell me about Amazon then?12:09
andylockrando gandhi do free transferS?12:10
bigcalmYou could use everydns12:10
screen-xandylockran: I don't think they charge for the transfer itself, you just pay for a years registration when you transfer.12:11
andylockranscreen-x: that looks good - and do they allow you to create glue records for free?12:11
andylockranif so, I'm there :)12:11
* screen-x checks12:12
screen-xyeah, there is a glue record management section, that doesn't want any payment.12:13
* MartijnVdS sniffs some glue records12:14
screen-xMartijnVdS: dns abuse can kill instantly12:14
BigRedSscreen-x: subject to TTL, surely?12:16
MartijnVdSI've seen 10-day TTLs + complaining customers ("I've moved my domain elsewhere but it doesn't work")12:22
bigcalmWe sometimes tell clients to edit their hosts file if they are that desprate12:23
andylockranfree SSL with gandhi for a year too12:23
MartijnVdSbigcalm: "My customers can't see the site!"12:23
MartijnVdSbigcalm: and that's after explaining ttl12:24
bigcalmMartijnVdS: little you can do with such clients12:24
bigcalmOur default statement prior to a DNS change is "can take up to 3 days but will usually happen within 1"12:25
bigcalmHaving a 10 day TTL seems a bit extreem12:25
MartijnVdSbigcalm: they set it themselves12:25
* MartijnVdS has 5-minute TTLs everywhere12:26
MartijnVdSbandwidth is cheap.. and my sites aren't as popular as the googles/amazons of this world.12:26
BigRedSMartijnVdS: the rfc says anything less than or equal to 30 min may be interpreted as 30 min12:28
BigRedSnot that it makes any odds, really12:28
BigRedSbut I tend to have either 0 or 3hr12:28
MartijnVdS"MAY" ;)12:28
MartijnVdSthe keyword meaning "let's not implement this unless we have time to spare and everything else is perfect"12:28
BigRedSoh if onyl12:29
BigRedSer, only12:29
Azelphurpopey: got my logitech quickcam, seems to work well :)12:42
popeywhat the max res?12:43
Azelphurcheese shows up to 800x60012:44
popeyit should go much higher than that12:44
Azelphur*shrug* maybe cheese doesn't support the higher resolutions?12:45
popey!info guvcview12:46
lubotu3guvcview (source: guvcview): GTK+ base UVC Viewer. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.4.1-1 (maverick), package size 195 kB, installed size 672 kB12:46
popeyuse that12:46
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Azelphurpopey: that also only shows up to 800x60012:49
popeywhat does lsusb say it is Azelphur ?12:53
popeyBus 001 Device 003: ID 046d:0990 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Pro 900012:56
popeythats mine12:56
Azelphurpopey: Bus 002 Device 018: ID 046d:0809 Logitech, Inc. Webcam Pro 9000 same12:56
popeynot same12:57
Azelphuroh yea, slightly different12:57
Azelphurgtx 570, 12GB DDR3 1600, 40GB SSD and Asus Sabertooth X58 on my bed :D12:58
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popeyAzelphur: http://www.quickcamteam.net/devices/logitech_uvc_frame_format_list.pdf13:01
screen-xheh ups reckon my parcel is in swansea, its actual in my office in bridgend :)13:02
popeyhmm, that reckons mine can do 1280x72013:02
Azelphurpopey: it says mine can do 1600x1200 o.O13:02
popeysame here13:02
popeyI didn't mean 1280x720 was max13:03
popeyjust that it was a resolution I was after and didnt realise it did it13:03
Azelphurdoesn't matter too much anyway, there arn't any video conferencing solutions I know of that broadcast at anywhere near these resolutions anyway13:03
brobostigonseven year itch, channel 4, :)13:03
popeyi have never used my for video conferencing13:05
andylockranjust for skyping with people :p  like me13:06
popeywell.. http://popey.com/webcam/13:06
BigRedSi still think that's one of the most peculiarly positioned webcams I've ever seen :)13:07
andylockranI'd quite like to see a head pop up behind the garden gate13:07
popeyit's on the slant a bit13:07
screen-xpopey you need a web interface for turning the fountain on :)13:08
popeyi do13:11
screen-xan old switching ups with the battery removed should do it :)13:12
bigcalmpopey: window needs cleaning ;)13:12
BigRedSnah, should be more cryptically triggered13:12
BigRedSwhenever access_log has a prime number of lines, the fountain is on or somthing13:13
pr0ph3thi all13:42
screen-xhi pr0ph3t13:42
pr0ph3tcan you help me out please, I can't connect using mobile broadband, it can't register apparently13:43
pr0ph3tI am running Ubuntu maverick 10.10 64bit but with 2.6.37-rc8 kernel because a patch to support my hardware was released with this kernel13:44
pr0ph3trc6 actually13:45
pr0ph3tthe hardware is recognised but it doesn't register the network or something, on windows it works fine13:45
screen-xpr0ph3t: have you gone through the network manager mobile broadband setup process? It asks you which network your using and some other Qs..13:45
pr0ph3tscreen-x, yes but I don't know how to debug it, syslog?13:46
popeyI'd run network manager from the command line in --no-daemon mode13:46
pr0ph3tpopey, I run nmcli dev and I get ttyUSB0 gsm disconnected13:49
pr0ph3tpopey, that's my 3g modem13:49
pr0ph3talso I downloaded sakis3g and it gets stuck at the same point, it doesn't register it13:51
pr0ph3tso it says that I can define the isp from the command line FORCE_ISP="foo"13:52
pr0ph3tI tried changing foo with O2 - UK, the code for it or the apn13:53
pr0ph3tby doing ./sakis3g FORCE_ISP="O2 - UK" etc but nothing changed, I could not go past the registering phase13:54
popeylike I say, I'd run network manager from the command line13:54
pr0ph3tpopey nmcli stands for network manager command line13:57
popeyyes, I know. never mind I was talking about running the network manager daemon. feel free to ignore m13:58
pr0ph3tpopey, I have nm-applet in gnome, is that what you are referring to?13:58
popeyas in.. sudo killall NetworkManager, sudo NetworkManager --no-daemon14:00
screen-xare sterlingxs going out of business? they appear to have sold out of everything :(14:00
popeyphone them up?14:00
popeythey do pick up the phone14:00
popeynice people14:00
screen-xYeah, I had a chat last time I ordered, and asked for an extra PSU :)14:00
pr0ph3tpopey, can't kill the process, it auto restarts14:03
screen-xno answer on the phone :(14:05
popeyyeah, you can14:06
popeyscreen-x: :(14:06
BigRedSpr0ph3t: /etc/init.d/network-manager stop14:07
BigRedSrather than killall nm-applet or somesuch14:07
popeyand kill the applet too14:07
BigRedSoh, and that, then14:07
pr0ph3tpopey, ok done, the device is recognised and managed by network manager14:14
popeyand when you try to connect do you get any more debug info from the NetworkManager window?14:15
pr0ph3tpopey, can I pass any commands now? I have wifi on auto so that's what it did after activating, deactivating and changing status to the gsm device14:17
pr0ph3thow do I do it, from another terminal?14:17
popeydo what?14:24
pr0ph3tpopey, I managed to get a response from network manager, it starts working on the device14:24
pr0ph3tpopey, but then it says GSM connection failed14:24
czajkowskihttp://blog.dexy.it/315 so happy to see stuff like this happen :D14:25
pr0ph3t: (32) Unknown reason :S14:25
pr0ph3tpopey, all this after completion of stage 1 of 514:25
pr0ph3tit then deactivates the device14:26
dutchieczajkowski: that is pretty cool14:27
czajkowskidutchie: yup, she's very smart!14:27
popeyshe is!14:27
screen-xcool :)14:28
czajkowskishould should this to the Ubuntu doc team, see documentaion :)14:28
daubersHmm... the czajkowski output protocol needs better docs14:29
czajkowskidaubers: marking invalid :)14:30
MartijnVdSyou accidentally a word word14:31
Laneyi can't decide whether i like quora or not14:32
daubersMy need to abuse quickly again later. Throw together a quick gui to test the tcp comms stuff I'm building14:32
Laneyit seems like a more clunky stackexchange14:32
screen-xQuora annoyed me as on its front page it says "login with one of these services".... but what it really means is "create an account using your username from one of these services"14:34
Laneyand automatically add all of your contacts14:37
MartijnVdSand send those people a "JOIN US NOW" email?14:40
nperryWhere are the settings for gnome-display-properties, since installing NVidia i get an error message every boot saying unable to set settings14:43
screen-xnperry: I'm not sure, but I'd assume gconf or xorg.conf14:51
nperryscreen-x: Can't seem to find it in gconf, and nvidia-settings replaced the whole xorg.conf file14:54
screen-xnperry: which settings are you looking for? X configuration?14:55
nperryNo. Orginally I was using Nouveau but needed 3d support, so swapped to nvidia. Now everytime I log in a nofity comes up saying unable to start gnome-display-properties settings14:56
nperry(Sorry didn't really explain the situation)14:57
screen-xnperry: odd, maybe do a ps when that notification is displayed, and work out which process is causing it?14:57
screen-xIs there a  more intelligent way to get PID from an X window?14:58
MartijnVdScheck ~/.xsession-errors15:00
MartijnVdSit should have stderr from all processes started15:01
screen-xahh, for info, to find the PID, run  "xprop |grep PID"  in a terminal then click a window.15:02
nperryThe notify-osd isn't going to stay that long...15:07
MartijnVdShave you checked the .xsession-errors log?15:11
nperryMartijnVdS: Yes, can't seem to see anything in there15:12
* MartijnVdS purges gwibber on another machine15:14
MartijnVdSstupid crashy piece of...15:14
czajkowskigwibber dev folks are really good if you do have a bug they will look at it15:15
czajkowskithey are usually plagued by my machine at times15:15
MartijnVdSczajkowski: not the maverick version15:15
AlanBellafternoon all15:16
AlanBellpopey: yes, the expo is on my todo list15:16
popeyAlanBell: need help?15:16
AlanBellnot yet, I will follow up with Maggie15:17
czajkowskiwoo plugfest nearly ready to go live...15:17
nperryHello iMacros in Chrome, time to loop you 2000 time to delete my facebook wall posts15:59
nperryWas also a big facebook friend cull yesterday 350 down to 59 :)15:59
* MartijnVdS has delete sprees like that sometimes16:18
andylockranhey guys - just looking at BIND DNS views for internal/external DNS lookups16:26
andylockranlooks good :)16:32
kvarleyOooo...OTR plugin has a java library, somebody put it on android? =O16:42
kvarleyFor 11.04, is unity shipped with the desktop disc too?16:43
dutchiekvarley: as i understand it, the desktop and netbook images are being merged, so yes16:44
popeykvarley: unity is the default desktop16:44
kvarleypopey & dutchie: Ah ok thanks, that'll be interesting16:44
popeyindeed it will16:44
sectorbchaps, why does this not work? ntpdate ntp.ubuntu.com16:44
sectorb 6 Jan 16:44:00 ntpdate[6646]: no server suitable for synchronization found16:44
* czajkowski is feckin shattered 16:45
czajkowskiyay for working from home tomorrow16:45
sectorbi can ping ntp.ubuntu.com, i suspect something is wonky with ntpdate16:45
kvarleyczajkowski Lucky you, nice way to end the working week16:46
popeyalan@mrevo:~$ sudo ntpdate ntp.ubuntu.com 6 Jan 16:47:05 ntpdate[10079]: adjust time server offset 0.000016 sec16:47
popeyworks for me16:47
diplosectorb, could try ntpdate uk.pool.ntp.org16:48
* popey tickles mgdm 16:58
seeker:O tickling!17:02
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gordi thought i had a hot pixel on my nice pretty LCD screen, turned out to be a full stop. never felt more stupid than i did just then17:44
moreatigord: I've fallen for that many times :)17:46
* MichealH laughs and points at gord then hides18:01
andylockranok, so DNS views.18:06
andylockranI've got an internal view, and external view18:06
andylockranis it possible to have those addresses that don't appear in an internal view fall back to the external view ip?18:06
andylockranhttp://www.howtoforge.com/two_in_one_dns_bind9_views <- the solution I've found appears to use the external zone as an include, with extra addresses available for internal addresses18:07
andylockranbut I'd like to override some (i.e. if you connect to ldap.example.com inside the network, you get an internal IP, but from outside, you get a different one)18:08
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bigcalmIs there an LTS every 2 years?18:10
Andy_Hi, can anyone help me with 10.10 ignoring xorg,conf gamma setting please?18:12
andylockranif I have two A records, which one will take precedent18:12
moreatibigcalm: more or less, yes18:12
bigcalmmoreati: so I can't be sure that in April of every even year will bring me a LTS release?18:13
Azelphurjust swapped out a 1TB for a 2TB in my mythtv box, up to a total of 3TB storage now \o/18:14
bigcalmThat's a lot of porn18:14
moreatibigcalm: no, it isn't guaranteed. 6.06 came out in June18:14
Azelphurbigcalm: indeed18:15
bigcalmmoreati: I see18:15
bigcalmIs 12.04 intended to be a LTS?18:17
moreatibigcalm: pass, that maight not have been decided yet18:18
* mgdm looks at popey 18:19
bigcalmmoreati: the server living with my parents is running 9.04 and I want to get it onto LTS releases. My musing was, do I put it onto 10.04.1 this weekend or wait for something else18:22
bigcalmTaken from http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu "The Ubuntu team broke new ground in committing to a programme of scheduled releases on a predictable six-month basis. It was decided that every fourth release, issued on a two-year basis, would receive long-term support (LTS)."18:22
Azelphurtoday is a good day.18:23
Azelphurjust waiting for the CPU now :p18:24
bigcalmThat's a big box for a gfx card18:24
Azelphurit's a big gfx card :)18:24
gordAzelphur, gtx570? geeeeeez, your not gonna have to upgrade for a long time19:05
Azelphurit was very nearly a GTX 580 until amazon hiked the price by £14019:06
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gordokay so you'll be shipping the gpu to me right?19:09
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hazrpgwow... took ages for me to ghost my account properly lol19:13
hazrpgclearly not with it lol19:13
hazrpggot a question for you guys19:14
hazrpgtrying to scan my mates laptops hard drive for bad sectors (and to fix any if found) - how would I do that with ubuntu?19:14
hazrpgdon't know the ubuntu command for that19:14
dutchieor use the disk utility from system->admin in recent releases19:15
hazrpgah brilliant, thanks :)19:18
hazrpghaven't updated my ubuntu at home yet to 10.10 yet19:18
Azelphurwhat's the tech they use at shop doorways to stop people stealing stuff? the alarm. Is it RFID?19:26
dutchiei thought it was metal detectors19:26
gordbut then they would go off all the time19:27
dutchieyeah, that's why it was only "i thought"19:27
directhexMichael_Judd, boo19:27
moreatiAzelphur: a varient of it. The security tag has a coil of wire that the door pillars can dettect19:27
Michael_Judd:) - noticed you on here ...19:27
AzelphurI see :P19:28
moreatiAzelphur: I think the difference is that RFID is much closer range, and the RFID tag actually transmits an ID rather than just resonating at the chosen frequency19:29
gordAzelphur, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_tags interesting read19:29
moreatisecurity tag says I'm here, RFID says I am number 123419:29
AzelphurI see19:29
Azelphurty :D19:29
moreatimost welcome19:30
gordreally shouldn't of put all my dishes in the dish washer right before tea time =\19:32
dutchiei have to say, using unity on this netbook really makes me wish it was touchscreen19:33
dutchieold mutter unity, that is19:33
czajkowskiAlanBell: can you pm me the conf call numbers :(19:33
brobostigonevening all.19:45
hazrpgdoes badblocks actually fix the bad blocks too? or does it just check to see if there are any?19:50
dutchieno, it just finds them iirc19:50
gordyou can't fix bad blocks, badblocks can however mark the blocks as bad (hense the name) and thus the filesystem will not use them19:51
gordyou can't recover the blocks though19:51
brobostigonok, tell my guys and gals. i am discussing here with my dad, why because of the cost difference, and hw differences and software differences, at the moment, a tablet by whatever make, at the moment has significant disadvanteges.19:57
ali1234disadvantages compared to what?19:58
brobostigonali1234: compared to something like a standerd laptop or netbook.19:59
ali1234well i can't really think of any19:59
ali1234a laptop is basically a bad compromise19:59
brobostigonless external ports, no dvd/cd drive,20:00
ali1234they are too big and heavy to use anywhere but at a desk, yet they are too small to be as easy to use as a desktop pc20:00
ali1234i haven't used my dvd burner for about 6 years20:00
czajkowskiAlanBell: I cant ring in20:01
ali1234also tablets don't have less external ports than a netbook, they are about the same20:01
ali1234a couple of usb ports20:01
ali1234what more do you want?20:01
brobostigonali1234: iwant something with a real keyboard, where i am not limited by the software i can run.20:01
ali1234buy a pc then duh20:01
gordthen you don't want a tablet brobostigon :)20:02
brobostigongord: no i dont.20:02
gordthats okay! some people do want a tablet, thats okay too20:02
brobostigongord: iwas just saying to my dad, a touchscreen keyboard is going to be harder to type with, and he is going to be more  limited in the software he can use.20:03
ali1234a tablet is not a PC, it has totally different use cases20:03
ali1234look at the kindle for example20:03
ali1234pretty much limited to reading books. does anyone care? no, because they bought it specifically for reading books20:03
gord<3 my kindle, don't want to code on it ;)20:03
ali1234or the ipod20:03
brobostigonali1234: a kindle is a low cost, ebook reader, and not capable of much more.20:04
gordit actually is20:04
gordjust runs linux, you can write programs for it and everything20:04
ali1234except for some half-assed apps, you are pretty much limited to listening to music of videos if you have a newer one... but thats ok because that's why people bought it20:04
brobostigongord: very, yes, :)20:04
ali1234mobile phones are the same way20:05
brobostigoni would rather have my eeepc anyday.20:05
DJonesbrobostigon: Using an android phone with swype, that keyboard seem easier (to me) to use than any physical keyboard I've used in the past, its just going to be personal preference, if you want a physical keyboard then a tablet would be useless20:05
MartijnVdSI like my Sony laptop20:05
ali1234before the iphone app store only about 1% of people would install extra apps on their smartphone20:05
MartijnVdSBut I see the use of a tablet (and I already have an ebook reader)20:05
ali1234because most people just don't care, they don't want the flexibility of a PC, they just want something that works when you buy it20:06
gordi don't see the use of a tablet when i have a netbook, but i would love a netbook that transforms into a tablet20:06
brobostigonDJones: agreed, and i think with my dads preferences, as ihave explanied to him, a touchscreen keyboard isnt really going to work for him.20:06
ali1234what's wrong with touchscreen keyboards?20:06
ali1234if you can't get along with a ts keyboard you are not going to like the tiny keyboard on a netbook either20:07
gordno tactile sensation, touchscreens are laggy and innacurate20:07
ali1234so good luck carrying around a full size USB keyboard with you all the time20:07
brobostigonali1234: it doesnt have the feel you get from a real keyboard, hence i have my htc dream, which has a proper real keybord,20:07
ali1234gord: spoken like someone who has never used one20:07
gordtiny netbook keyboards are a thousand times better20:07
gordali1234, erm well done at assuming there, i have and do use touchscreen keyboards20:07
ali1234so, you claim there is "no tactile sensation" - this is completely false20:08
ali1234as you would know if you had actually used one, the phone uses the built in vibrator to provide it20:08
gordwell there isn't, do you have a touch screen that can have keyboard imprints now?20:08
gordha no, thats not tactile sensation, thats vibrating20:08
ali1234do you even know what the word tactile means?20:09
gordyou can't feel the edges of the keys20:09
brobostigonatthe moment, 8pen seems to me, yo be the cloest to a logical touchscreen keyboard, if only i got some real tactile sensation from it,20:09
ali1234because you can really feel the edges of keys on those chiclet keyboards that all mobile devices have20:10
gordsure, i don't like those keyboards either, but we are talking about netbook keyboards here20:10
MartijnVdSgord: http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss269/netbookc/macbook-unboxkeyboard.jpg20:11
MartijnVdSmy Sony has a keyboard like that, love it20:11
MartijnVdSali1234: yeah those suck ;)20:11
gordMartijnVdS, heh yeah i hear people love those, i have never gotten along with them though, maybe i have weird fingers ;)20:11
MartijnVdSgord: sausage fingers 8-)20:12
gordali1234, yup i have a netbook that is like that, can feel the edges and type on it really well20:12
brobostigoni am on my eeepc right now, can i run full blown debian on a tablet, and have a full blown keyboard, and run most full blown software, NO.20:13
MartijnVdSI want a tablet that's just a web browser :)20:14
MartijnVdSgmail, discogs, facebook20:14
ali1234by definition a tablet does not have a keyboard20:14
gordbrobostigon, the keyboard maybe not, but i think you can do the other two, with a little hacking20:14
MartijnVdSali1234: it could have a bluetooth keyboard option :)20:15
ali1234or a usb keyboard20:15
brobostigongord: good point, probebly, yes,20:15
brobostigongord: however i doubt, lets say with the IPAD, those popssibilities are there. however with pure darwin, the basis of ios/mac os x, my specs would be possible.20:17
gordyeah i wouldn't use an ipad for hacking myself ;)20:17
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: galaxy tab? :)20:17
gordmaybe some cheep android tablet20:17
brobostigonspoton MartijnVdS gord :)20:17
MartijnVdSI've played with it a bit in a local store20:18
MartijnVdSI think it's just a size too small20:18
MartijnVdSIt's only a little bigger than my nexus one :)20:19
* gord grumbles something about his N1 still not having gingerbread20:20
moreatiwhat's the query? iPad sized device good for hacking?20:20
brobostigonthis is why, my htc dream, has a very differnent purpose, to my  eeepc, but i dont try and do similer FULL BLOWN tasks on my htc dream as i do on my eeepc.20:21
brobostigoneven though, i can run fullblown debian on my htc dream,20:21
brobostigonbut it is all about, what you want, andexpect your device and its software tobe able to do,20:22
gordhrm, seems like its much harder to encode grayscale movies, booo. 60fps on a colour film vs 15fps on dr strangelove. gonna take forever to encode my older movies :(20:23
brobostigongord: that film rocks. :)20:23
brobostigonsatire at its best, :)20:23
brobostigonis there a way of copying *.jpg directly to a folder on that same mountpoint, ?20:43
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: cp *.jpg /some/folder20:43
brobostigonMartijnVdS: cp: cannot stat `*.jpg': No such file or directory20:44
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: no such file or directory.. do you have anything matching that patterin in .? :)20:44
brobostigonMartijnVdS: yes, loads of .jpg20:45
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: nog .JPG or .jpeg ?20:45
gordsure they aren't .JPG's? camera's like to save them as JPG20:45
brobostigonit is showing them as .JPG , and "cp: cannot stat `*.JPG': No such file or directory" is the return.20:47
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: try ls *.JPG20:48
brobostigonls *.JPG20:49
brobostigonls: cannot access *.JPG: No such file or directory20:49
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: and just "ls"?20:49
MartijnVdS(pastebin, or one sample line)20:49
MartijnVdS(but you know that :))20:49
brobostigonMartijnVdS: its showing .JPG20:50
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: can you paste a line?20:50
MartijnVdSjust to be sure :)20:50
MartijnVdSmaybe they're .JPG[space] or something20:50
brobostigonMartijnVdS: i think i have it, some are copying.20:50
MartijnVdSwhat happens when you try to tab-expand? does it show "special" chars at the end?20:51
brobostigonMartijnVdS: none,20:51
MartijnVdSso it's working now? what did you do?20:53
brobostigonMartijnVdS: i am not sure.20:56
oceanhi guys. i have a problem with my new hp laptop. after dual booting ubuntu 10.10 with win 7 i find that the grub is being deleted very frequently and i have to use the live cd to resore it through some commands taught by my freind as i am not good with command line. i was wondering if i can make a bootable grub 2 cd so that everytime it happens i don have to worry.if its possible pleaase let me know how can i make one.regards21:01
oceansory i guys. if any one has asnwered to my query pls type it once again as i was forced to quit21:03
Azelphurocean: I've seen another guy in here with HP and grub problems too, so your not alone21:04
AzelphurI know you can create a grub boot CD but I don't know how21:04
brobostigonMartijnVdS: i have identified the issue, windows, pictures from my mum.21:05
oceanAzelphur, thanks a lot. i have filed that one on the ubuntu launchpad. hopin they will fix it.if i make a grub cd do u think it will help me to boot to ubuntu that way? is it a logical thinkin21:06
Yorvykocean, have a look at http://www.supergrubdisk.org/21:07
brobostigonand why uppercase file extentions, :(21:09
ledzeplin1989hello all, I was wondering if any of you know much about deluge thin client?21:24
Azelphurledzeplin1989: nope but it sounds interesting o.O21:24
AzelphurI use the deluge web interface21:24
ledzeplin1989well it's similar... just instead of using the web ui you use the deluge client as just a client to connect to the deamon, but it reffers to the web ui too21:25
Azelphurohhh, you mean using deluge-gtk to connect to a remote deluge backend?21:26
AzelphurYes, I've done that :)21:26
ledzeplin1989I had a few problems with deluged the other week... went to deluge irc channel and got no help from them, so I gave up and removed it all...21:26
Azelphurwhat was up with it?21:27
ledzeplin1989I reinstalled it all disevening but cant get deluged to start up (same problem as before) i run 'deluged -d' and it brings back "permission denied and my mate said to run it with a special deluge user but he cant remember how and i haven't got a clue21:29
Azelphurweird :S21:30
AzelphurI usually start the daemon with the webui if ever21:30
ledzeplin1989web ui never see's it... it used to and then one day i rebooted for some reason or another and wouldn't start up again... i used it on my old server too before and same result21:31
ledzeplin1989I beed on and off linux for years but ive been all out with it for about a year now but still slowly learning with it21:33
Azelphurhehe :)21:36
ledzeplin1989i think my mates got ssh in later and have a look for me but thanks :)21:39
ledzeplin1989by any chance do you know when there gonna bring out the beta for 11.04?21:41
brobostigonledzeplin1989: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule21:42
ledzeplin1989thanks brobostigon :)21:43
brobostigonledzeplin1989: youre welcome, :)21:43
brobostigonledzeplin1989: for the next release, repace natty with the next release code, :)21:45
ledzeplin1989brobostigon: the only thing that bothers me is unity being introduced but i heard you can put gnome on it still so thats something :)21:47
brobostigonledzeplin1989: it i meant to change between both, so ie, ona fresh install go to unity, however if the hw doesnt suport go to normal gnome, and so on.21:48
ledzeplin1989ahh right21:49
brobostigonledzeplin1989: or permenently use gnome-shell or gnome2.21:50
ledzeplin1989hmmmm :) thanks21:50
ledzeplin1989have you tryed the alpha yet for natty21:50
brobostigonledzeplin1989: ithink that is the case, i maybe wrong though, but that is how iunderstand it,21:50
brobostigonledzeplin1989: i havent, no.21:50
ledzeplin1989I'm just installing in virtualbox now to see how it looks so far... at the very least i'll have my server running under it.21:51
gordthere are two sessions in natty, you can either log into unity or "classic desktop" which has a gnome panel and is similar to 10.1021:52
brobostigongord: thank you for clairifying,:)21:53
ledzeplin1989ah, thats good :) thanks gord21:53
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AlanBellcan someone have a look at this http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/test.html in chrome and/or other browsers to see if the text renders OK or overprints22:38
YorvykOK in Chromium latest nightly22:40
AlanBellthanks, I think it is a bug in the chromium in 10.04 which is 8.0.552.224 (68599)22:42
hazrpgworks fine on FF 10.10 liveCD22:44
hazrpgFireFox, ubuntu 10.10 LiveCD*22:44
AzelphurAlanBell: fine on chrome22:44
brobostigonAlanBell: fine here also in chromium 10.0.629 r.7053522:48
AlanBellanyone not see it fine?22:48
AlanBelllooks like that for me, and that was the issue with planet.ubuntu.com for czajkowski and others22:49
brobostigonAlanBell: same as here.22:49
brobostigonAlanBell: noissues, but i am not inside ubuntu, i am on debian sid.22:50
czajkowskishould be fixed now thought...22:52
AlanBellczajkowski: only on planet22:52
AlanBelland I wanted to find out what the actual problem was, I was worried that the font was broken22:52
AlanBellfont-size: 12px;height: 500px; line-height: 16px; text-rendering: optimizelegibility;22:53
AlanBellit is a combination of all of those22:53
czajkowskiAlanBell: talk to A again when she's online tomorrow22:53
AlanBellwill do22:53
brobostigonAlanBell: is there something specific in saif html, that would cause it to possibly fail, or fail in specific browser or versions, ?22:54
popeyyes, bugs.22:54
AlanBellyes, all those bits of css together make it fail in chromium22:55
brobostigonelaborate popey22:55
AlanBellchromium that is in 10.0422:55
AlanBell10.10 rather22:55
brobostigonAlanBell: i see, there is not fail here, ido haveseveral previous chromium versions, i think,22:55
AlanBellit only fails on the first load of the page, refresh and it is fine22:56
brobostigonAlanBell: so i in debian, would be a ble to check, nor be afected ?22:56
AlanBellI would be interested in your testing results for older chromiums22:56
AlanBell8.0.552.224 (68599) is the chromium build I have22:56
brobostigonAlanBell: iwill try previous version i hve,and report back tmrw, i will make a note to myself for tmrw, is tht ok ?22:57
AlanBellsure brobostigon, thanks22:57
brobostigonAlanBell: that is amuch older version that i have here,22:57
AlanBell!info chromium-browser22:57
lubotu3chromium-browser (source: chromium-browser): Chromium browser. In component universe, is optional. Version 8.0.552.224~r68599-0ubuntu0.10.10.1 (maverick), package size 14340 kB, installed size 49380 kB22:57
brobostigonhow do i get the version here. ofof dpkg ?22:59
hamitrondpkg --version23:00
brobostigonhamitron: of chromium-browser23:00
AlanBelldpkg-query -W chromium-browser23:02
hamitronnice AB23:03
brobostigonchromium-browser        10.0.629.0~svn20110105r70535-0ubuntu1~ucd1~lucid23:04
brobostigonin debian sid.,23:04
brobostigonAlanBell: i am using an ubuntu ppa in debian.23:05
* brobostigon puts ch4 on. x-files.23:13
brobostigonwth, billy connelly, interesting,23:16
gordbrobostigon, *RUN*23:26
gordthats the terrible awful new xfiles movie23:26
gordrun before it destroys all that is good in your soul23:26
brobostigongord: ihvent seen it yet,23:26
brobostigonthe first i liked.23:27
brobostigonit is definatly difererent to the firstone,23:28
brobostigongord: i fear you are right.23:38
hamitron1 week and I not enjoyed a single coffee23:39
hamitronI simply can't make the stuff to a drinkable standard now, or my tastes are still broken from illness23:40
brobostigoni fear i shouldnt have watched this, it is ok, but not of the quality i expect.23:54

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