| ChinnoDog | The top 5 offenders in descendind order is chrome, Xorg, gwibber-service, tomboy, and ubuntuone-syncd | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| ChinnoDog | chrime is using 107mb, which is a lot considering I only have one tab open. I don't know how much FF would use. and, 40.8mb is a pretty obscene amount for gwibber-service to be using. 39.9mb is an awful lot for tomboy as well. | 00:01 |
| ChinnoDog | s/chrime/chrome | 00:01 |
| jthan | ChinnoDog: kill em :-P | 01:03 |
| pleia2 | that's how much modern operating systems use | 01:05 |
| pleia2 | gnome itself is pretty heavy | 01:07 |
| jthan | ChinnoDog: how much does your windows install use when you boot it? MOre than 529 I bet. | 01:15 |
| waltman | ChinnoDog: 107mb is nothing these days | 01:17 |
| jedijf | memory usage is a little misleading...sort of ..check this out http://www.linfo.org/free.html | 01:17 |
| waltman | ChinnoDog: also that 129mb is probably virtual, not real memory | 01:19 |
| ChinnoDog | jedijf: I used this to get memory usage: http://www.pixelbeat.org/scripts/ps_mem.py | 01:37 |
| ChinnoDog | Still, I hesitate to install Ubuntu onto this computer with only 640mb of memory | 01:39 |
| jthan | xubuntu? | 01:39 |
| jthan | Debian? | 01:39 |
| ChinnoDog | I'm installing xubuntu on it now. I really wanted to put Ubuntu on it because the person receiving the workstation has probably never used it before, but I don't want it to cave under the [memory] pressure | 01:40 |
| pleia2 | I have 10.04 on p3 my laptop with 384M ram, it does ok but mostly I just use debian on it, policy-wise the systems we deploy at schools we won't do under p4 w/ 512, and really prefer 1G (we're upgrading a whole lab to 1G this month) | 01:41 |
| ChinnoDog | So, you think 10.10 would be ok with 640mb? | 01:42 |
| jedijf | whose it for? | 01:43 |
| ChinnoDog | I think the Ubuntu experience is better, but only if it isn't slow as molasses | 01:43 |
| pleia2 | it depends on what you're doing | 01:43 |
| ChinnoDog | a girl that needs a computer | 01:43 |
| jedijf | what kind of user | 01:44 |
| jedijf | internet only | 01:44 |
| ChinnoDog | Well that is why I brought up the question.... what is in Ubuntu that is going to require you to have 1gb of memory? | 01:44 |
| pleia2 | flash | 01:44 |
| jedijf | nothing | 01:44 |
| jedijf | err that | 01:44 |
| jthan | yeah flash tends to suck. | 01:44 |
| ChinnoDog | flash is going to eat memory? | 01:44 |
| jthan | Flash and linux still makes me upset. | 01:45 |
| pleia2 | it's pretty much the only thing that runs like crap on my mini9 | 01:45 |
| jedijf | my van p3 doesn't have much memory ..i use ephiphany cause anything else sucked | 01:45 |
| pleia2 | chrome, open office, gimp - all good! | 01:45 |
| ChinnoDog | pleia2: so, you would just do it? I trust your advice on this one because I don't have enough experience installing Ubuntu on diverse hardware. | 01:45 |
| pleia2 | try to play a youtube video? boo | 01:45 |
| pleia2 | I'd upgrade it to 1G, ram is cheap, you've got places like freegeek near you to snag it if you don't want to go online | 01:46 |
| pleia2 | we're getting all the ram for our labs pretty much for free at this point | 01:46 |
| jedijf | one of my dells in the office runs good with 1gig and a p4 celery | 01:47 |
| jthan | ChinnoDog: Hell - I have SO Much memory sitting in anti-static boxes in my attic. What kind do you need :-P | 01:47 |
| jthan | jedijf: I have a 768MB w/ Celeron that runs decent. most times I don't run a gui though. | 01:47 |
| jedijf | yeah, i know good is sooo subjective | 01:48 |
| ChinnoDog | pleia2: upgrading is not an option. I've filled the slots, and 133Mhz DIMMs are not that easy to find anymore | 01:48 |
| jedijf | if it's really an issue, put lupup on and blow her away | 01:48 |
| ChinnoDog | In any case, I do not wish to sink money into this thing | 01:48 |
| jedijf | ChinnoDog: throw lupup on it and try it yourself | 01:49 |
| pleia2 | well, as I said, we put out ones that run on 512M and it's ok, they just can't load up lots of stuff at once (do people do that?) | 01:49 |
| jthan | lol | 01:49 |
| jthan | says the girl with 900 workspaces | 01:49 |
| pleia2 | only 16 | 01:49 |
| pleia2 | and 2 are unused right now! | 01:50 |
| jthan | What do you /do/ on each of them? | 01:50 |
| ChinnoDog | pleia2 doesn't count as an end user | 01:50 |
| jthan | I want a report with what's running on each. | 01:50 |
| jthan | Because I don't know what to do with 4 or 5 let alone 16 | 01:50 |
| ChinnoDog | ok, I'll install regular Ubuntu. restarting install now | 01:50 |
| pleia2 | 1: vuze & thunderbird; 2: gimp & fspot 3: virtual machine manager & invoices; 4: irssi and work email; 5: firefox and password safe; 6: mplayer & alsamixer; 7: thunar; 8: blank | 01:51 |
| jthan | I didn't know anyone used vuze | 01:52 |
| pleia2 | 9-15 terminals w/ ssh into work servers | 01:52 |
| pleia2 | 16 is blank | 01:52 |
| pleia2 | heh, I said firefox, I meant chrome | 01:52 |
| jthan | You wish it was firefox :-P | 01:53 |
| pleia2 | if firefox wasn't so slow I'd use it! | 01:53 |
| jthan | Yeahh I know that feeling. I've been using Opera on my Mac :-/ | 01:53 |
| jthan | That makes me feel really dirty | 01:53 |
| jedijf | ChinnoDog: http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/puppylinux/puppy-5.1.1/release-Lucid-511.htm | 01:55 |
| ChinnoDog | jthan: why wouldn't you install chrome on Mac? | 01:55 |
| jedijf | that's what you want ^^^ | 01:55 |
| ChinnoDog | jedijf: no puppy for new users! | 01:55 |
| jthan | Why? Because I don't like it. | 01:55 |
| pleia2 | jthan: what do all the cool kids use for torrents? | 01:55 |
| ChinnoDog | especially since I've never used it, I can't help her. | 01:55 |
| pleia2 | I used the super basic curses client for a while but then it broke | 01:55 |
| ChinnoDog | jthan == cool kid? | 01:55 |
| pleia2 | rtorrent is annoying | 01:55 |
| jthan | pleia2: I use Transmission and on my server I run torrentflux | 01:56 |
| ChinnoDog | There is an Android app that will remote control transmission I think | 01:56 |
| jthan | I'm excited for AT&T getting the Motorola Atrix | 01:57 |
| pleia2 | neat, there is transmission-cli too, maybe that doesn't suck | 01:57 |
| jthan | I used that once, I dont' remember if I liked it. | 01:57 |
| jthan | You don't like transmission? | 01:57 |
| jthan | It's simple and gets the job done | 01:57 |
| pleia2 | never used it | 01:57 |
| jthan | Well you should try it. | 01:57 |
| pleia2 | when I was installing it pulled in -cli too | 01:58 |
| ChinnoDog | I've used transmission-cli. It wasn't bad. | 01:58 |
| ChinnoDog | I downloaded something or other on my vps when I was in Australia in Feb using transmission-cli. | 01:58 |
| ChinnoDog | That was so that I could download it to my laptop from my VPS. | 01:59 |
| jthan | I think Linode should let you torrent anything... :-P | 01:59 |
| jthan | I kid | 01:59 |
| pleia2 | apt shouldn't offer to restart gdm with a default of "yes" | 02:02 |
| pleia2 | also, I shouldn't mindlessly hit enter to restart services | 02:03 |
| pleia2 | (see where I'm going?) | 02:03 |
| pleia2 | :P | 02:03 |
| pleia2 | I am the best sysadmin ever | 02:03 |
| jthan | I believe it. | 02:04 |
| jthan | Do you know where bts has been? | 02:04 |
| jthan | I miss that guy :-( | 02:04 |
| pleia2 | nope | 02:05 |
| jthan | Guys lets have a meeting there's like 4 of us here | 02:10 |
| ChinnoDog | You rescheduled it for Thursdays | 02:13 |
| jthan | I know. | 02:13 |
| jthan | But that was my night off at my old job | 02:13 |
| jthan | now I have a new schedule with my new job | 02:13 |
| jthan | SOo... :-P | 02:13 |
| ChinnoDog | meeting tomorrow. :-p | 02:16 |
| ChinnoDog | Ima go play xbox | 02:16 |
| jthan | Well I'll be at work | 02:16 |
| jthan | Lol | 02:16 |
| mikedep333 | andrew, you still need the 12V 1A adapter? | 02:29 |
| mikedep333 | ChinnoDog, Lubuntu is pretty nice too for low memory | 02:30 |
| mikedep333 | it's liter than xubuntu | 02:31 |
| mikedep333 | although I routinely see fresh installs of Ubuntu using up 250-300MB of ram or so on startup | 02:31 |
| mikedep333 | *typically see | 02:31 |
| mikedep333 | sometimes as low as 200MB or so | 02:31 |
| mikedep333 | ChinnoDog, also, don't forget about midori! | 02:31 |
| mikedep333 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midori_(web_browser) | 02:32 |
| mikedep333 | it's lite and has great web standard support (and therefore website compatibility) | 02:32 |
| mikedep333 | http://lubuntu.net/ | 02:32 |
| mikedep333 | Lubuntu being based on LXDE (lightweight x11 desktop environment). It's early in development but still a very good option if you want to go liter than xubuntu. | 02:33 |
| mikedep333 | #lubuntu is a pretty good channel | 02:33 |
| andrew | mikedep333: Yes | 03:03 |
| SamuraiAlba | Good bacon to all! | 04:19 |
| SamuraiAlba | FACON TO THE SINNERS! | 04:19 |
| MutantTurkey | mikedep333as low as 200MB? thats awful | 04:47 |
| MutantTurkey | my full gnome starts up at like 120 | 04:48 |
| MutantTurkey | and i'm using tons of bloatwarez | 04:48 |
| MutantTurkey | mikedep333: i mean seriously, thats a joke. and yet midori has taking a few strides (check out luakit i hear its quite nice) but it still stuck behind the webkitgtk port so basically we're waiting on the webkit2 API to build :| | 04:49 |
| MutantTurkey | my two cents before heading off to bed | 04:49 |
| BeckySanderlin`x | First custom firmware for hacked PS3 is created. And so it begins..http://bit.ly/h73D1B | 11:03 |
| BeckySanderlin`x | Someone tell me of a good password manager for Chrome on linux? Like Opera's Wand or Firefox Secure Login Extension | 14:10 |
| ChinnoDog | BeckySanderlin`x: what does manging passwords have to do with web browsers? | 16:15 |
| ChinnoDog | managing | 16:15 |
| BeckySanderlin`x | 1. I have a gmail account. Now in Firefox, an extension called WebMail Notifier automatically logs me into google. | 16:17 |
| BeckySanderlin`x | 2. I belong to several forums. Using SecureLogin or Opera Wand allows me to just go to the webpage and it auto logs me into the page from the saved password information. | 16:17 |
| andrew | LastPass | 16:18 |
| BeckySanderlin`x | now i really dont understand your quesition, but tahts what im trying to do in Chrome. | 16:18 |
| BeckySanderlin`x | and thats what i dont want andrew | 16:18 |
| BeckySanderlin`x | Opera Wand is local, as is Firefox's Manager | 16:18 |
| ChinnoDog | BeckySanderlin`x: Do those password managers let you get the password back out of them if you forget what they are? | 16:18 |
| BeckySanderlin`x | Last Pass is onine | 16:18 |
| BeckySanderlin`x | online*.. | 16:18 |
| jedijf | just trust | 16:18 |
| BeckySanderlin`x | yes ChinnoDog, thers a method that can be used | 16:18 |
| BeckySanderlin`x | since they are local | 16:19 |
| andrew | BeckySanderlin`x: They only have an encrypted copy of your information, you are the only one who holds the key | 16:19 |
| BeckySanderlin`x | and really thats the only method i can find | 16:19 |
| BeckySanderlin`x | and its disheartening | 16:19 |
| BeckySanderlin`x | X Marks got bought up by LastPass last month.. | 16:20 |
| BeckySanderlin`x | so they will be x-fering xmarks into a new system | 16:20 |
| andrew | BeckySanderlin`x: http://www.google.com/search?q=site:lifehacker.com+hive+five+password+management | 16:21 |
| ChinnoDog | What is the down side of LastPass? I am looking at the extension page. | 16:22 |
| BeckySanderlin`x | andrew: w/ that page.. | 16:22 |
| BeckySanderlin`x | its 1 for windows | 16:22 |
| BeckySanderlin`x | 1 for Mac Os X | 16:22 |
| BeckySanderlin`x | and 1 specifically for Firefox | 16:22 |
| andrew | BeckySanderlin`x: for Keepass? Perhaps that's why I didn't choose to use that one | 16:23 |
| BeckySanderlin`x | i need something that is cross-platform and cross-browsers | 16:23 |
| andrew | BeckySanderlin`x: That's why I'm using LastPass | 16:23 |
| BeckySanderlin`x | yah. | 16:23 |
| BeckySanderlin`x | ... | 16:23 |
| BeckySanderlin`x | ok | 16:23 |
| BeckySanderlin`x | thanks | 16:23 |
| andrew | ChinnoDog: I haven't found many downsides to LastPass | 16:25 |
| BeckySanderlin`x | ChinnoDog: theres no downside that ive researched as of yet because i just got to the documentation of LastPass. Whats disheartening to me is there is only ONE avenue, and its Lastpass. There used to be several but its now a monoply | 16:25 |
| andrew | what do you mean by one avenue? | 16:25 |
| andrew | meh | 16:25 |
| andrew | how is it a monoply? | 16:25 |
| ChinnoDog | Do we trust LastPass with social security numbers? | 16:27 |
| andrew | what do you mean by one avenue? | 16:28 |
| andrew | how is it a monoply? | 16:28 |
| andrew | I haven't given it mine, but I enter it online so infrequently (and I know mine by heart) that I don't bother having anythign remember it | 16:28 |
| jedijf | ChinnoDog: how's that desktop run? - this lappy (van) 700 mhz 256 ram is ok | 16:37 |
| jedijf | 9.04 | 16:37 |
| ChinnoDog | jedijf: Which one? The first one with celery 466 and 128mb RAM couldn't even run xubuntu 10.10. The one I set up last night is an Athlon 1.1 with 640mb and it runs ok with Ubuntu 10.10 | 16:48 |
| BeckySanderlin`x | ok. so andrew, you are using LastPass? Can you setup a key stroke to open a website/ login ? | 17:02 |
| andrew | Yes; Haven't tried, but I think it's fairly simple to do something like that | 17:03 |
| BeckySanderlin`x | say wanted to enter Hulu.com. W/ last pass can i press ctrl + shit + L and it automatically sign me in? | 17:03 |
| BeckySanderlin`x | hmm. | 17:03 |
| BeckySanderlin`x | ok i think i'll try it.. | 17:04 |
| SamuraiAlba | Good bacon to all, and FACON to the no believers! | 17:21 |
| jedijf | ChinnoDog: the 466 do alt install cli only then add up | 17:45 |
| ChinnoDog | jedijf: Why will that make it better? Won't the same apps be running when I am done? | 17:51 |
| === lamalex_ is now known as lamalex | ||
| jedijf | ChinnoDog: no, cli is like 400 megs , no x - you add what you want..like lxde or xfce - make it special | 17:53 |
| jedijf | but alt cli gives you desktop kernel, not server kernel like server install | 17:53 |
| jedijf | http://jedijf.blogspot.com/2009/06/thinkpad-a21m-jaunty-window-managersdes.html | 17:58 |
| ChinnoDog | jedijf: but to configure a full environment for a new user I would end up installing the same stuff anyway... | 19:15 |
| ChinnoDog | I kept the system since I couldn't give it away, but I doubt I will use it. idk if I will toss it or give it a special purpose. | 19:16 |
| ChinnoDog | It has an AT motherboard. When you plug it in the fan spins up even when the PC isn't turned on. | 19:19 |
| ChinnoDog | sup lamalex | 19:47 |
| lamalex | got new glasses | 19:47 |
| lamalex | lookin sharp | 19:47 |
| ChinnoDog | Cool. What is the style these days? | 19:47 |
| ChinnoDog | lamalex: You didn't update your FB pic. Don't you need to promote your new image? | 19:49 |
| lamalex | ChinnoDog, the style is to not care about facebook | 19:51 |
| BeckySanderlin`x | pfft.. everyone cares about facebook | 19:54 |
| BeckySanderlin`x | you have to act like you dont care | 19:55 |
| === lamalex_ is now known as lamalex | ||
| lamalex | ChinnoDog, new glasses -> http://imgur.com/FD9oN | 20:38 |
| lamalex | jthan, bike I'm building is in the background of that pic | 20:39 |
| ChinnoDog | I see. Big glasses are in. I don't get fashion. I should get new glasses; I have not had new ones in awhile. | 20:43 |
| * ssweeny switched to two monacles | 21:08 | |
| pleia2 | lol | 21:09 |
| andrew | http://i.imgur.com/Pty0j.png | 21:11 |
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