[00:00] <ChinnoDog> The top 5 offenders in descendind order is chrome, Xorg, gwibber-service, tomboy, and ubuntuone-syncd
[00:01] <ChinnoDog> chrime is using 107mb, which is a lot considering I only have one tab open. I don't know how much FF would use. and, 40.8mb is a pretty obscene amount for gwibber-service to be using. 39.9mb is an awful lot for tomboy as well.
[00:01] <ChinnoDog> s/chrime/chrome
[01:03] <jthan> ChinnoDog: kill em :-P
[01:05] <pleia2> that's how much modern operating systems use
[01:07] <pleia2> gnome itself is pretty heavy
[01:15] <jthan> ChinnoDog: how much does your windows install use when you boot it? MOre than 529 I bet.
[01:17] <waltman> ChinnoDog: 107mb is nothing these days
[01:17] <jedijf> memory usage is a little misleading...sort of ..check this out http://www.linfo.org/free.html
[01:19] <waltman> ChinnoDog: also that 129mb is probably virtual, not real memory
[01:37] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: I used this to get memory usage: http://www.pixelbeat.org/scripts/ps_mem.py
[01:39] <ChinnoDog> Still, I hesitate to install Ubuntu onto this computer with only 640mb of memory
[01:39] <jthan> xubuntu?
[01:39] <jthan> Debian?
[01:40] <ChinnoDog> I'm installing xubuntu on it now. I really wanted to put Ubuntu on it because the person receiving the workstation has probably never used it before, but I don't want it to cave under the [memory] pressure
[01:41] <pleia2> I have 10.04 on p3 my laptop with 384M ram, it does ok but mostly I just use debian on it, policy-wise the systems we deploy at schools we won't do under p4 w/ 512, and really prefer 1G (we're upgrading a whole lab to 1G this month)
[01:42] <ChinnoDog> So, you think 10.10 would be ok with 640mb?
[01:43] <jedijf> whose it for?
[01:43] <ChinnoDog> I think the Ubuntu experience is better, but only if it isn't slow as molasses
[01:43] <pleia2> it depends on what you're doing
[01:43] <ChinnoDog> a girl that needs a computer
[01:44] <jedijf> what kind of user
[01:44] <jedijf> internet only
[01:44] <ChinnoDog> Well that is why I brought up the question.... what is in Ubuntu that is going to require you to have 1gb of memory?
[01:44] <pleia2> flash
[01:44] <jedijf> nothing
[01:44] <jedijf> err that
[01:44] <jthan> yeah flash tends to suck.
[01:44] <ChinnoDog> flash is going to eat memory?
[01:45] <jthan> Flash and linux still makes me upset.
[01:45] <pleia2> it's pretty much the only thing that runs like crap on my mini9
[01:45] <jedijf> my van p3 doesn't have much memory ..i use ephiphany cause anything else sucked
[01:45] <pleia2> chrome, open office, gimp - all good!
[01:45] <ChinnoDog> pleia2: so, you would just do it? I trust your advice on this one because I don't have enough experience installing Ubuntu on diverse hardware.
[01:45] <pleia2> try to play a youtube video? boo
[01:46] <pleia2> I'd upgrade it to 1G, ram is cheap, you've got places like freegeek near you to snag it if you don't want to go online
[01:46] <pleia2> we're getting all the ram for our labs pretty much for free at this point
[01:47] <jedijf> one of my dells in the office runs good with 1gig and a p4 celery
[01:47] <jthan> ChinnoDog: Hell - I have SO Much memory sitting in anti-static boxes in my attic. What kind do you need :-P
[01:47] <jthan> jedijf: I have a 768MB w/ Celeron that runs decent. most times I don't run a gui though.
[01:48] <jedijf> yeah, i know good is sooo subjective
[01:48] <ChinnoDog> pleia2: upgrading is not an option. I've filled the slots, and 133Mhz DIMMs are not that easy to find anymore
[01:48] <jedijf> if it's really an issue, put lupup on and blow her away
[01:48] <ChinnoDog> In any case, I do not wish to sink money into this thing
[01:49] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: throw lupup on it and try it yourself
[01:49] <pleia2> well, as I said, we put out ones that run on 512M and it's ok, they just can't load up lots of stuff at once (do people do that?)
[01:49] <jthan> lol
[01:49] <jthan> says the girl with 900 workspaces
[01:49] <pleia2> only 16
[01:50] <pleia2> and 2 are unused right now!
[01:50] <jthan> What do you /do/ on each of them?
[01:50] <ChinnoDog> pleia2 doesn't count as an end user
[01:50] <jthan> I want a report with what's running on each.
[01:50] <jthan> Because I don't know what to do with 4 or 5 let alone 16
[01:50] <ChinnoDog> ok, I'll install regular Ubuntu. restarting install now
[01:51] <pleia2> 1: vuze & thunderbird; 2: gimp & fspot 3: virtual machine manager & invoices; 4: irssi and work email; 5: firefox and password safe; 6: mplayer & alsamixer; 7: thunar; 8: blank
[01:52] <jthan> I didn't know anyone used vuze
[01:52] <pleia2> 9-15 terminals w/ ssh into work servers
[01:52] <pleia2> 16 is blank
[01:52] <pleia2> heh, I said firefox, I meant chrome
[01:53] <jthan> You wish it was firefox :-P
[01:53] <pleia2> if firefox wasn't so slow I'd use it!
[01:53] <jthan> Yeahh I know that feeling. I've been using Opera on my Mac :-/
[01:53] <jthan>  That makes me feel really dirty
[01:55] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/puppylinux/puppy-5.1.1/release-Lucid-511.htm
[01:55] <ChinnoDog> jthan: why wouldn't you install chrome on Mac?
[01:55] <jedijf> that's what you want ^^^
[01:55] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: no puppy for new users!
[01:55] <jthan> Why? Because I don't like it.
[01:55] <pleia2> jthan: what do all the cool kids use for torrents?
[01:55] <ChinnoDog> especially since I've never used it, I can't help her.
[01:55] <pleia2> I used the super basic curses client for a while but then it broke
[01:55] <ChinnoDog> jthan == cool kid?
[01:55] <pleia2> rtorrent is annoying
[01:56] <jthan> pleia2: I use Transmission and on my server I run torrentflux
[01:56] <ChinnoDog> There is an Android app that will remote control transmission I think
[01:57] <jthan> I'm excited for AT&T getting the Motorola Atrix
[01:57] <pleia2> neat, there is transmission-cli too, maybe that doesn't suck
[01:57] <jthan> I used that once, I dont' remember if I liked it.
[01:57] <jthan> You don't like transmission?
[01:57] <jthan> It's simple and gets the job done
[01:57] <pleia2> never used it
[01:57] <jthan> Well you should try it.
[01:58] <pleia2> when I was installing it pulled in -cli too
[01:58] <ChinnoDog> I've used transmission-cli. It wasn't bad.
[01:58] <ChinnoDog> I downloaded something or other on my vps when I was in Australia in Feb using transmission-cli.
[01:59] <ChinnoDog> That was so that I could download it to my laptop from my VPS.
[01:59] <jthan> I think Linode should let you torrent anything... :-P
[01:59] <jthan> I kid
[02:02] <pleia2> apt shouldn't offer to restart gdm with a default of "yes"
[02:03] <pleia2> also, I shouldn't mindlessly hit enter to restart services
[02:03] <pleia2> (see where I'm going?)
[02:03] <pleia2> :P
[02:03] <pleia2> I am the best sysadmin ever
[02:04] <jthan> I believe it.
[02:04] <jthan> Do you know where bts has been?
[02:04] <jthan> I miss that guy :-(
[02:05] <pleia2> nope
[02:10] <jthan> Guys lets have a meeting there's like 4 of us here
[02:13] <ChinnoDog> You rescheduled it for Thursdays
[02:13] <jthan> I know.
[02:13] <jthan> But that was my night off at my old job
[02:13] <jthan> now I have a new schedule with my new job
[02:13] <jthan> SOo... :-P
[02:16] <ChinnoDog> meeting tomorrow. :-p
[02:16] <ChinnoDog> Ima go play xbox
[02:16] <jthan> Well I'll be at work
[02:16] <jthan> Lol
[02:29] <mikedep333> andrew, you still need the 12V 1A adapter?
[02:30] <mikedep333> ChinnoDog, Lubuntu is pretty nice too for low memory
[02:31] <mikedep333> it's liter than xubuntu
[02:31] <mikedep333> although I routinely see fresh installs of Ubuntu using up 250-300MB of ram or so on startup
[02:31] <mikedep333> *typically see
[02:31] <mikedep333> sometimes as low as 200MB or so
[02:31] <mikedep333> ChinnoDog, also, don't forget about midori!
[02:32] <mikedep333> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midori_(web_browser)
[02:32] <mikedep333> it's lite and has great web standard support (and therefore website compatibility)
[02:32] <mikedep333> http://lubuntu.net/
[02:33] <mikedep333> Lubuntu being based on LXDE (lightweight x11 desktop environment). It's early in development but still a very good option if you want to go liter than xubuntu.
[02:33] <mikedep333> #lubuntu is a pretty good channel
[03:03] <andrew> mikedep333: Yes
[04:19] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[04:19] <SamuraiAlba> FACON TO THE SINNERS!
[04:47] <MutantTurkey> mikedep333as low as 200MB? thats awful
[04:48] <MutantTurkey> my full gnome starts up at like 120
[04:48] <MutantTurkey> and i'm using tons of bloatwarez
[04:49] <MutantTurkey> mikedep333: i mean seriously, thats a joke. and yet midori has taking a few strides (check out luakit i hear its quite nice) but it still stuck behind the webkitgtk port so basically we're waiting on the webkit2 API to build :|
[04:49] <MutantTurkey> my two cents before heading off to bed
[11:03] <BeckySanderlin`x> First custom firmware for hacked PS3 is created. And so it begins..http://bit.ly/h73D1B
[14:10] <BeckySanderlin`x> Someone tell me of a good password manager for Chrome on linux? Like Opera's Wand or Firefox  Secure Login Extension
[16:15] <ChinnoDog> BeckySanderlin`x: what does manging passwords have to do with web browsers?
[16:15] <ChinnoDog> managing
[16:17] <BeckySanderlin`x> 1. I have a gmail account. Now in Firefox, an extension called WebMail Notifier automatically logs me into google.
[16:17] <BeckySanderlin`x> 2. I belong to several forums. Using SecureLogin or Opera Wand allows me to just go to the webpage and it auto logs me into the page from the saved password information.
[16:18] <andrew> LastPass
[16:18] <BeckySanderlin`x> now i really dont understand your quesition, but tahts what im trying to do in Chrome.
[16:18] <BeckySanderlin`x> and thats what i dont want andrew
[16:18] <BeckySanderlin`x> Opera Wand is local, as is Firefox's Manager
[16:18] <ChinnoDog> BeckySanderlin`x: Do those password managers let you get the password back out of them if you forget what they are?
[16:18] <BeckySanderlin`x> Last Pass is onine
[16:18] <BeckySanderlin`x> online*..
[16:18] <jedijf> just trust
[16:18] <BeckySanderlin`x> yes ChinnoDog, thers a method that can be used
[16:19] <BeckySanderlin`x> since they are local
[16:19] <andrew> BeckySanderlin`x: They only have an encrypted copy of your information, you are the only one who holds the key
[16:19] <BeckySanderlin`x> and really thats the only method i can find
[16:19] <BeckySanderlin`x> and its disheartening
[16:20] <BeckySanderlin`x> X Marks got bought up by LastPass last month..
[16:20] <BeckySanderlin`x> so they will be x-fering xmarks into a new system
[16:21] <andrew> BeckySanderlin`x: http://www.google.com/search?q=site:lifehacker.com+hive+five+password+management
[16:22] <ChinnoDog> What is the down side of LastPass? I am looking at the extension page.
[16:22] <BeckySanderlin`x> andrew: w/ that page..
[16:22] <BeckySanderlin`x> its 1 for windows
[16:22] <BeckySanderlin`x> 1 for Mac Os X
[16:22] <BeckySanderlin`x> and 1 specifically for Firefox
[16:23] <andrew> BeckySanderlin`x: for Keepass? Perhaps that's why I didn't choose to use that one
[16:23] <BeckySanderlin`x> i need something that is cross-platform and cross-browsers
[16:23] <andrew> BeckySanderlin`x: That's why I'm using LastPass
[16:23] <BeckySanderlin`x> yah.
[16:23] <BeckySanderlin`x> ...
[16:23] <BeckySanderlin`x> ok
[16:23] <BeckySanderlin`x> thanks
[16:25] <andrew> ChinnoDog: I haven't found many downsides to LastPass
[16:25] <BeckySanderlin`x> ChinnoDog: theres no downside that ive researched as of yet because i just got to the documentation of LastPass. Whats disheartening to me is there is only ONE avenue, and its Lastpass. There used to be several but its now a monoply
[16:25] <andrew> what do you mean by one avenue?
[16:25] <andrew> meh
[16:25] <andrew> how is it a monoply?
[16:27] <ChinnoDog> Do we trust LastPass with social security numbers?
[16:28] <andrew> what do you mean by one avenue?
[16:28] <andrew> how is it a monoply?
[16:28] <andrew> I haven't given it mine, but I enter it online so infrequently (and I know mine by heart) that I don't bother having anythign remember it
[16:37] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: how's that desktop run? - this lappy (van) 700 mhz 256 ram is ok
[16:37] <jedijf> 9.04
[16:48] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: Which one? The first one with celery 466 and 128mb RAM couldn't even run xubuntu 10.10. The one I set up last night is an Athlon 1.1 with 640mb and it runs ok with Ubuntu 10.10
[17:02] <BeckySanderlin`x> ok. so andrew, you are using LastPass? Can you setup a key stroke to open a website/ login ?
[17:03] <andrew> Yes; Haven't tried, but I think it's fairly simple to do something like that
[17:03] <BeckySanderlin`x> say wanted to enter Hulu.com. W/ last pass can i press ctrl + shit + L and it automatically sign me in?
[17:03] <BeckySanderlin`x> hmm.
[17:04] <BeckySanderlin`x> ok i think i'll try it..
[17:21] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all, and FACON to the no believers!
[17:45] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: the 466 do alt install cli only then add up
[17:51] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: Why will that make it better? Won't the same apps be running when I am done?
[17:53] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: no, cli is like 400 megs , no x - you add what you want..like lxde or xfce - make it special
[17:53] <jedijf> but alt cli gives you desktop kernel, not server kernel like server install
[17:58] <jedijf> http://jedijf.blogspot.com/2009/06/thinkpad-a21m-jaunty-window-managersdes.html
[19:15] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: but to configure a full environment for a new user I would end up installing the same stuff anyway...
[19:16] <ChinnoDog> I kept the system since I couldn't give it away, but I doubt I will use it. idk if I will toss it or give it a special purpose.
[19:19] <ChinnoDog> It has an AT motherboard. When you plug it in the fan spins up even when the PC isn't turned on.
[19:47] <ChinnoDog> sup lamalex
[19:47] <lamalex> got new glasses
[19:47] <lamalex> lookin sharp
[19:47] <ChinnoDog> Cool. What is the style these days?
[19:49] <ChinnoDog> lamalex: You didn't update your FB pic. Don't you need to promote your new image?
[19:51] <lamalex> ChinnoDog, the style is to not care about facebook
[19:54] <BeckySanderlin`x> pfft.. everyone cares about facebook
[19:55] <BeckySanderlin`x> you have to act like you dont care
[20:38] <lamalex> ChinnoDog, new glasses -> http://imgur.com/FD9oN
[20:39] <lamalex> jthan, bike I'm building is in the background of that pic
[20:43] <ChinnoDog> I see. Big glasses are in. I don't get fashion. I should get new glasses; I have not had new ones in awhile.
[21:08]  * ssweeny switched to two monacles
[21:09] <pleia2> lol
[21:11] <andrew> http://i.imgur.com/Pty0j.png