[00:00] The top 5 offenders in descendind order is chrome, Xorg, gwibber-service, tomboy, and ubuntuone-syncd [00:01] chrime is using 107mb, which is a lot considering I only have one tab open. I don't know how much FF would use. and, 40.8mb is a pretty obscene amount for gwibber-service to be using. 39.9mb is an awful lot for tomboy as well. [00:01] s/chrime/chrome [01:03] ChinnoDog: kill em :-P [01:05] that's how much modern operating systems use [01:07] gnome itself is pretty heavy [01:15] ChinnoDog: how much does your windows install use when you boot it? MOre than 529 I bet. [01:17] ChinnoDog: 107mb is nothing these days [01:17] memory usage is a little misleading...sort of ..check this out http://www.linfo.org/free.html [01:19] ChinnoDog: also that 129mb is probably virtual, not real memory [01:37] jedijf: I used this to get memory usage: http://www.pixelbeat.org/scripts/ps_mem.py [01:39] Still, I hesitate to install Ubuntu onto this computer with only 640mb of memory [01:39] xubuntu? [01:39] Debian? [01:40] I'm installing xubuntu on it now. I really wanted to put Ubuntu on it because the person receiving the workstation has probably never used it before, but I don't want it to cave under the [memory] pressure [01:41] I have 10.04 on p3 my laptop with 384M ram, it does ok but mostly I just use debian on it, policy-wise the systems we deploy at schools we won't do under p4 w/ 512, and really prefer 1G (we're upgrading a whole lab to 1G this month) [01:42] So, you think 10.10 would be ok with 640mb? [01:43] whose it for? [01:43] I think the Ubuntu experience is better, but only if it isn't slow as molasses [01:43] it depends on what you're doing [01:43] a girl that needs a computer [01:44] what kind of user [01:44] internet only [01:44] Well that is why I brought up the question.... what is in Ubuntu that is going to require you to have 1gb of memory? [01:44] flash [01:44] nothing [01:44] err that [01:44] yeah flash tends to suck. [01:44] flash is going to eat memory? [01:45] Flash and linux still makes me upset. [01:45] it's pretty much the only thing that runs like crap on my mini9 [01:45] my van p3 doesn't have much memory ..i use ephiphany cause anything else sucked [01:45] chrome, open office, gimp - all good! [01:45] pleia2: so, you would just do it? I trust your advice on this one because I don't have enough experience installing Ubuntu on diverse hardware. [01:45] try to play a youtube video? boo [01:46] I'd upgrade it to 1G, ram is cheap, you've got places like freegeek near you to snag it if you don't want to go online [01:46] we're getting all the ram for our labs pretty much for free at this point [01:47] one of my dells in the office runs good with 1gig and a p4 celery [01:47] ChinnoDog: Hell - I have SO Much memory sitting in anti-static boxes in my attic. What kind do you need :-P [01:47] jedijf: I have a 768MB w/ Celeron that runs decent. most times I don't run a gui though. [01:48] yeah, i know good is sooo subjective [01:48] pleia2: upgrading is not an option. I've filled the slots, and 133Mhz DIMMs are not that easy to find anymore [01:48] if it's really an issue, put lupup on and blow her away [01:48] In any case, I do not wish to sink money into this thing [01:49] ChinnoDog: throw lupup on it and try it yourself [01:49] well, as I said, we put out ones that run on 512M and it's ok, they just can't load up lots of stuff at once (do people do that?) [01:49] lol [01:49] says the girl with 900 workspaces [01:49] only 16 [01:50] and 2 are unused right now! [01:50] What do you /do/ on each of them? [01:50] pleia2 doesn't count as an end user [01:50] I want a report with what's running on each. [01:50] Because I don't know what to do with 4 or 5 let alone 16 [01:50] ok, I'll install regular Ubuntu. restarting install now [01:51] 1: vuze & thunderbird; 2: gimp & fspot 3: virtual machine manager & invoices; 4: irssi and work email; 5: firefox and password safe; 6: mplayer & alsamixer; 7: thunar; 8: blank [01:52] I didn't know anyone used vuze [01:52] 9-15 terminals w/ ssh into work servers [01:52] 16 is blank [01:52] heh, I said firefox, I meant chrome [01:53] You wish it was firefox :-P [01:53] if firefox wasn't so slow I'd use it! [01:53] Yeahh I know that feeling. I've been using Opera on my Mac :-/ [01:53] That makes me feel really dirty [01:55] ChinnoDog: http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/puppylinux/puppy-5.1.1/release-Lucid-511.htm [01:55] jthan: why wouldn't you install chrome on Mac? [01:55] that's what you want ^^^ [01:55] jedijf: no puppy for new users! [01:55] Why? Because I don't like it. [01:55] jthan: what do all the cool kids use for torrents? [01:55] especially since I've never used it, I can't help her. [01:55] I used the super basic curses client for a while but then it broke [01:55] jthan == cool kid? [01:55] rtorrent is annoying [01:56] pleia2: I use Transmission and on my server I run torrentflux [01:56] There is an Android app that will remote control transmission I think [01:57] I'm excited for AT&T getting the Motorola Atrix [01:57] neat, there is transmission-cli too, maybe that doesn't suck [01:57] I used that once, I dont' remember if I liked it. [01:57] You don't like transmission? [01:57] It's simple and gets the job done [01:57] never used it [01:57] Well you should try it. [01:58] when I was installing it pulled in -cli too [01:58] I've used transmission-cli. It wasn't bad. [01:58] I downloaded something or other on my vps when I was in Australia in Feb using transmission-cli. [01:59] That was so that I could download it to my laptop from my VPS. [01:59] I think Linode should let you torrent anything... :-P [01:59] I kid [02:02] apt shouldn't offer to restart gdm with a default of "yes" [02:03] also, I shouldn't mindlessly hit enter to restart services [02:03] (see where I'm going?) [02:03] :P [02:03] I am the best sysadmin ever [02:04] I believe it. [02:04] Do you know where bts has been? [02:04] I miss that guy :-( [02:05] nope [02:10] Guys lets have a meeting there's like 4 of us here [02:13] You rescheduled it for Thursdays [02:13] I know. [02:13] But that was my night off at my old job [02:13] now I have a new schedule with my new job [02:13] SOo... :-P [02:16] meeting tomorrow. :-p [02:16] Ima go play xbox [02:16] Well I'll be at work [02:16] Lol [02:29] andrew, you still need the 12V 1A adapter? [02:30] ChinnoDog, Lubuntu is pretty nice too for low memory [02:31] it's liter than xubuntu [02:31] although I routinely see fresh installs of Ubuntu using up 250-300MB of ram or so on startup [02:31] *typically see [02:31] sometimes as low as 200MB or so [02:31] ChinnoDog, also, don't forget about midori! [02:32] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midori_(web_browser) [02:32] it's lite and has great web standard support (and therefore website compatibility) [02:32] http://lubuntu.net/ [02:33] Lubuntu being based on LXDE (lightweight x11 desktop environment). It's early in development but still a very good option if you want to go liter than xubuntu. [02:33] #lubuntu is a pretty good channel [03:03] mikedep333: Yes [04:19] Good bacon to all! [04:19] FACON TO THE SINNERS! [04:47] mikedep333as low as 200MB? thats awful [04:48] my full gnome starts up at like 120 [04:48] and i'm using tons of bloatwarez [04:49] mikedep333: i mean seriously, thats a joke. and yet midori has taking a few strides (check out luakit i hear its quite nice) but it still stuck behind the webkitgtk port so basically we're waiting on the webkit2 API to build :| [04:49] my two cents before heading off to bed [11:03] First custom firmware for hacked PS3 is created. And so it begins..http://bit.ly/h73D1B [14:10] Someone tell me of a good password manager for Chrome on linux? Like Opera's Wand or Firefox Secure Login Extension [16:15] BeckySanderlin`x: what does manging passwords have to do with web browsers? [16:15] managing [16:17] 1. I have a gmail account. Now in Firefox, an extension called WebMail Notifier automatically logs me into google. [16:17] 2. I belong to several forums. Using SecureLogin or Opera Wand allows me to just go to the webpage and it auto logs me into the page from the saved password information. [16:18] LastPass [16:18] now i really dont understand your quesition, but tahts what im trying to do in Chrome. [16:18] and thats what i dont want andrew [16:18] Opera Wand is local, as is Firefox's Manager [16:18] BeckySanderlin`x: Do those password managers let you get the password back out of them if you forget what they are? [16:18] Last Pass is onine [16:18] online*.. [16:18] just trust [16:18] yes ChinnoDog, thers a method that can be used [16:19] since they are local [16:19] BeckySanderlin`x: They only have an encrypted copy of your information, you are the only one who holds the key [16:19] and really thats the only method i can find [16:19] and its disheartening [16:20] X Marks got bought up by LastPass last month.. [16:20] so they will be x-fering xmarks into a new system [16:21] BeckySanderlin`x: http://www.google.com/search?q=site:lifehacker.com+hive+five+password+management [16:22] What is the down side of LastPass? I am looking at the extension page. [16:22] andrew: w/ that page.. [16:22] its 1 for windows [16:22] 1 for Mac Os X [16:22] and 1 specifically for Firefox [16:23] BeckySanderlin`x: for Keepass? Perhaps that's why I didn't choose to use that one [16:23] i need something that is cross-platform and cross-browsers [16:23] BeckySanderlin`x: That's why I'm using LastPass [16:23] yah. [16:23] ... [16:23] ok [16:23] thanks [16:25] ChinnoDog: I haven't found many downsides to LastPass [16:25] ChinnoDog: theres no downside that ive researched as of yet because i just got to the documentation of LastPass. Whats disheartening to me is there is only ONE avenue, and its Lastpass. There used to be several but its now a monoply [16:25] what do you mean by one avenue? [16:25] meh [16:25] how is it a monoply? [16:27] Do we trust LastPass with social security numbers? [16:28] what do you mean by one avenue? [16:28] how is it a monoply? [16:28] I haven't given it mine, but I enter it online so infrequently (and I know mine by heart) that I don't bother having anythign remember it [16:37] ChinnoDog: how's that desktop run? - this lappy (van) 700 mhz 256 ram is ok [16:37] 9.04 [16:48] jedijf: Which one? The first one with celery 466 and 128mb RAM couldn't even run xubuntu 10.10. The one I set up last night is an Athlon 1.1 with 640mb and it runs ok with Ubuntu 10.10 [17:02] ok. so andrew, you are using LastPass? Can you setup a key stroke to open a website/ login ? [17:03] Yes; Haven't tried, but I think it's fairly simple to do something like that [17:03] say wanted to enter Hulu.com. W/ last pass can i press ctrl + shit + L and it automatically sign me in? [17:03] hmm. [17:04] ok i think i'll try it.. [17:21] Good bacon to all, and FACON to the no believers! [17:45] ChinnoDog: the 466 do alt install cli only then add up [17:51] jedijf: Why will that make it better? Won't the same apps be running when I am done? === lamalex_ is now known as lamalex [17:53] ChinnoDog: no, cli is like 400 megs , no x - you add what you want..like lxde or xfce - make it special [17:53] but alt cli gives you desktop kernel, not server kernel like server install [17:58] http://jedijf.blogspot.com/2009/06/thinkpad-a21m-jaunty-window-managersdes.html [19:15] jedijf: but to configure a full environment for a new user I would end up installing the same stuff anyway... [19:16] I kept the system since I couldn't give it away, but I doubt I will use it. idk if I will toss it or give it a special purpose. [19:19] It has an AT motherboard. When you plug it in the fan spins up even when the PC isn't turned on. [19:47] sup lamalex [19:47] got new glasses [19:47] lookin sharp [19:47] Cool. What is the style these days? [19:49] lamalex: You didn't update your FB pic. Don't you need to promote your new image? [19:51] ChinnoDog, the style is to not care about facebook [19:54] pfft.. everyone cares about facebook [19:55] you have to act like you dont care === lamalex_ is now known as lamalex [20:38] ChinnoDog, new glasses -> http://imgur.com/FD9oN [20:39] jthan, bike I'm building is in the background of that pic [20:43] I see. Big glasses are in. I don't get fashion. I should get new glasses; I have not had new ones in awhile. [21:08] * ssweeny switched to two monacles [21:09] lol [21:11] http://i.imgur.com/Pty0j.png