[00:00] <ShootEmUp> yup, just what I thought, firefox bug, doesn't work right
[00:00] <ShootEmUp> with XFCE
[00:01] <ShootEmUp> let me try this fix
[00:02] <The_Maverick> it doesnt work with chromium either.
[00:03] <freeraider> i rebooted
[00:03] <freeraider> and just nothing happend
[00:03] <freeraider> xorg.conf still blank
[00:03] <ShootEmUp> did you put anything in xorg.conf?
[00:03] <freeraider> resolution the same
[00:03] <freeraider> no
[00:03] <ShootEmUp> ahh, you gotta put something in there
[00:03] <charlie-tca> freeraider: you have to add the lines you need. It won't add them automatically, since it does not know what to add anymore
[00:04] <freeraider> ok, so i just need a higher resolution
[00:07] <ShootEmUp> The_Maverick, rebooting, trying a fix
[00:07] <The_Maverick> shootemup alrighty
[00:10] <charlie-tca> freeraider: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto?highlight=%28xorg\.conf%29#Monitors%20running%20at%20low%20resolution
[00:10] <ShootEmUp> The_Maverick, no dice
[00:10] <ShootEmUp> still the same
[00:11] <The_Maverick> well i cant get it to work with chromium either
[00:11] <ShootEmUp> :(
[00:11] <The_Maverick> it looks like it is about to add it and it just doesnt.
[00:12] <ShootEmUp> seems like a xfce just don't work with the drag & drop
[00:13] <ShootEmUp> wish I could have been more help, well atleast you know its xfce and not FF
[00:13] <The_Maverick> yeah. i appreciate the effort.
[00:16] <Sysi> hum, i can drag images in browser to terminal and it gets their url
[00:16] <Sysi> i guess you could go around it by using nautilus
[00:16] <ShootEmUp> could make a script
[00:17] <ShootEmUp> just a thought
[00:17] <The_Maverick> i dont know how to make scripts or anything like that
[00:17] <The_Maverick> just starting out
[00:17] <ShootEmUp> me nither
[00:17] <The_Maverick> :(
[00:18] <JediMaster420> I'm having trouble with the size of my Ubuntu netbook instalation, should I keep messing with it or try this version?
[00:18] <Sysi> you could try installing nautilus, it should take over your desktop
[00:18] <Sysi> JediMaster420: what kind of problems?
[00:19] <ShootEmUp> JediMaster420, how much space is it taking up?
[00:20] <JediMaster420> 3.5gb
[00:20] <knome> is there a way to create a button that just shuts down the pc, of course without passwrod prompt?
[00:20] <TheSheep> knome: yes, on the chasis
[00:20] <JediMaster420> it's only a 4gb SSD
[00:20] <ShootEmUp> JediMaster420, Ubuntu needs around 10GBs
[00:20] <JediMaster420> I'm running netbook
[00:21] <Sysi> have you removed unneeded aplications?
[00:21] <ShootEmUp> for a useful install
[00:21] <TheSheep> knome: but seriously, everything is possible
[00:21] <Sysi> ShootEmUp: without version upgrades, 4GB would be fine for any buntu
[00:21] <JediMaster420> I was going through them, but I can't seem to find what is taking up so much space
[00:21] <ShootEmUp> true
[00:22] <Sysi> JediMaster420: just remove everything you don't need
[00:22] <ShootEmUp> I have a ubuntu command line install on 4.3GBs
[00:22] <Sysi> openoffice is big
[00:22] <The_Maverick> yeah open office is the first thing i get rid of
[00:22] <ShootEmUp> remove OpenOffice if you don't use it
[00:22] <Sysi> i have xubuntu and half of kubuntu in 3,5?
[00:22] <charlie-tca> knome: why not? I never have to enter a password when I click quit ;-)
[00:23] <The_Maverick> so how is kubuntu?
[00:23] <Sysi> knome: button in panel and prompt after that isn't good?
[00:23] <Sysi> kubuntu uses kde
[00:24] <knome> well, i'd like one click quit
[00:24] <Sysi> on laptop taht would be easy with power/sleep button
[00:25] <knome> "when power button is pressed: ask" but nothing happens
[00:25] <The_Maverick> is kde less of a resource hog than gnome?
[00:25] <ShootEmUp> about the same
[00:25] <charlie-tca> The_Maverick: not really
[00:25] <Sysi> by default not
[00:25] <ShootEmUp> xubuntu is the lightest
[00:26] <Sysi> gnome and kde can be thinned with settings
[00:26] <ShootEmUp> full xubuntu install = 2.24GB
[00:27] <The_Maverick> yeah really like xubuntu. it is so much easier on my laptop than gnome. i have to wait so long to load browsers and so forth.
[00:28] <ShootEmUp> if you like small size ubuntu, try command line installing + Xorg + LXDE or Fluxbox or IceWM
[00:29] <ShootEmUp> add only what you need
[00:29] <JediMaster420> office is only 254 mb
[00:29] <The_Maverick> command line install?
[00:29] <Sysi> quarter of gigabyte
[00:29] <Sysi> "ubuntu server"
[00:29] <ShootEmUp> The_Maverick, yup, only on alternate install CD
[00:30] <Sysi> or just lubuntu
[00:30] <ShootEmUp> gonna record me doing one someday, put on youtube
[00:30] <ShootEmUp> keep forgeting to
[00:30] <JediMaster420> it will give me more, but I need to do more.  Is there any way to sort by size or view the size of packages?
[00:31] <Sysi> knome: in "advanced" xfce settings there are options for that logout ptompt, maybe yo could set easy shutdown there?
[00:31] <Sysi> i didn't manage to find it
[00:31] <ShootEmUp> JediMaster420, try removing some of the media players
[00:31] <Sysi> JediMaster420: just remove anything you don't need desperately
[00:31] <knome> Sysi, well, it would also be okay if the laptop physical power button would do what is set in the power manager
[00:32] <Sysi> you can always install them back
[00:32] <knome> Sysi, now i am not asked what to do even if i press it...
[00:32] <charlie-tca> JediMaster420: yes
[00:32] <charlie-tca> at least in thunar there is
[00:32] <Sysi> knome: it may work after reboot or something
[00:32] <JediMaster420> I keep removing stuff, but I can't find ones big enough to matter
[00:32] <knome> Sysi, that was the default value
[00:32] <Sysi> small things make big difference
[00:32] <knome> ERRRR
[00:33] <knome> too small icons fail
[00:34] <charlie-tca> JediMaster420: You can do a directory listing in Terminal, using    "ls -sA" which will show all files and directories sorted by size, including hidden files
[00:35] <Sysi> or you could try xubuntu
[00:36] <ShootEmUp> gotta go now
[00:42] <JediMaster420> the mail/adress book thing is about 80mb
[00:42] <JediMaster420> evolution*
[01:42] <JediMaster420> great, I uninstalled the task bar --;
[02:06] <JediMaster420> and now I can't find it to put it back ><
[02:24] <dr4c4n> sorry but I find this amusing.. the JediMaster has lost his taskbar.. can't u just use mind control? like yoda?
[02:25] <dr4c4n> ~the taskbar will appear~ waves hand in front of monitor
[02:25] <JediMaster420> I'm using the force, aka alt+tab....
[02:25] <dr4c4n> honestly, if that's the limit of the force, it sounds like u've migrated from windoze
[02:26] <dr4c4n> my apologies
[02:26] <dr4c4n> have you looked @ the forums, for "missing task bar" perhaps that may help the re-installation process
[02:26] <JediMaster420> that's right, this linux stuff just isn;t woth the effort...
[02:26] <dr4c4n> wait wait.. i'm trying to help here..
[02:26] <dr4c4n> i just found it very amuzing is all
[02:26] <JediMaster420> I got it back, but there is a bit of an error
[02:27] <dr4c4n> quel error?
[02:27] <dr4c4n> what's the error you got?
[02:28] <JediMaster420> restart button was missing, took a sec to sudo reboot
[02:28] <dr4c4n> ah, so now everything is working normally
[02:28] <dr4c4n> good stuff!
[02:29] <JediMaster420> I get this error on boot: OAFIID:GNOME_FastUserSwitchApplet has a problem
[02:29] <JediMaster420> and power button still gone
[02:30] <dr4c4n> sudo aptitude install gnome-applets
[02:30] <dr4c4n> :)
[02:30] <dr4c4n> should fix er up
[02:31] <dr4c4n> lemme know what happens
[02:36] <JediMaster420> nope
[02:41] <JediMaster420> got it
[02:42] <JediMaster420> different package: indicator applet session
[02:43] <dr4c4n> good stuff!
[02:44] <JediMaster420> thanks for the help, got 800mb free, gonna have to live with that before I do something really bad @_@
[02:45] <JediMaster420> for the record, this PC runs Win7, my lapop that only runs vista runs ubuntu, my netbook runs unbutu instead of the asus linux, and my dreambox runs busybox lol
[02:45] <dr4c4n> hehe :) that's what all the funs about
[02:46] <JediMaster420> I learned some linux back in the day, but haven't used it until recently because it's too hard @_@
[02:47] <dr4c4n> never say it's too hard
[02:47] <dr4c4n> it's just not "user friendly" or "convenient"
[02:47] <dr4c4n> if it was too hard, I wouldn't be able to use it
[02:49] <JediMaster420> whatever you want to call it, it's 2011 and I shouldn't have to use the command line @_@
[02:49] <dr4c4n> lol, that's half the fun
[02:50] <dr4c4n> you don't know what your missing, or what ur running, or what secrets lie in the stuff you are running then
[02:50] <dr4c4n> I don't know enough of the command line or reverse engineering to figure that out either, but that doesn't mean i'm not interested in it
[02:51] <JediMaster420> I actualy find quite the opposite, I understand and can operate much more with a GUI
[02:52] <dr4c4n> yes, but what's behind that gui, that you are so fond of the convenience of
[02:53] <JediMaster420> I'm not saying there is no place for command line, I'm just saying I shouldn't have to use it.  Yes, I'm spoiled by the convenience of winblows, but that doesn;t mean I've ever paid for a copy ;p
[03:12] <dr4c4n> theivery isn't something to be proud of
[03:51] <Tiktalik> Can I host a two person lan party with one machine windows 7 and one xubuntu/
[03:51] <Tiktalik> Wireless?
[03:58] <Tiktalik> !LAN
[03:58] <Tiktalik> !lan
[05:06] <freeraider> hey ich bins wieder
[05:06] <freeraider> sry i forgot
[05:06] <freeraider> only english ^^
[05:08] <freeraider> i had this problem i cant change my resolution in xubuntu and there was no xorg.conf file so i switched to archlinux.. i just installed it and set up gnome too.. @ archlinuxinstall i can change my resolution changing the framebuffer to 1024*768
[05:08] <freeraider> but if i starx /usr/bin/gnome-session the resolution change again to 800*600
[05:09] <freeraider> and there i cant switch to a higher resolution
[05:09] <freeraider> the xorg.conf is blank
[05:22] <tiktalik_> I accidentally created a new wireless network.
[05:23] <tiktalik_> How do I remove it?
[05:23] <tiktalik_> !wifi
[05:42] <freeraider> !german
[09:24] <lgp> hi
[09:25] <lgp> how to design ur own desktop themes for xubuntu?
[11:54] <Jpapertowels> how do i remove xubuntu-desktop
[11:54] <Jpapertowels> (to get back to minimal install incase you dont understand)
[11:55] <Jpapertowels> nevermind sudo tasksel saves the day
[12:00] <Sysi> i wonder a bit what did he do
[12:01] <lighta> he mean xfce ?
[12:01] <lighta> I wonder too
[12:01] <Sysi> i ment compared to:
[12:01] <Sysi> !puregnome
[12:16] <MorphixNW> how can I install Linux ona  laptop that wont boot from CD and has no USB?
[12:18] <gr8m8> does it have pxe boot option MorphixNW ?
[12:18] <MorphixNW> I cant even find a BIOS setup :(
[12:19] <MorphixNW> its a Panasonic CF-62
[12:19] <MorphixNW> very old old old
[12:19] <gr8m8> that'll make it hard...
[12:19] <Sysi> you thunk it would run modern os?
[12:19] <MorphixNW> debian yes I do
[12:19] <MorphixNW> you think it wont Sysi?
[12:19] <Sysi> depends how old
[12:21] <MorphixNW> it will run a headless system without a hitch, your meant to help, not present a further problem
[12:21] <Sysi> if pxe don't work you could maybe take hdd out and install on other machine
[12:21] <MorphixNW> now thats helpful
[12:22] <MorphixNW> I had thought about that one, but was hoping for another solution
[12:22] <gr8m8> I think that would be easiest
[12:22] <Sysi> read my mind
[12:22] <MorphixNW> who wants easy loil
[12:22] <MorphixNW> lol*
[12:22] <MorphixNW> challenges :)
[12:25] <MorphixNW> new machines are all so easy, old relics present challenges :D
[12:25] <MorphixNW> besides I only gave a man 5GBP for it a few years ago
[12:26] <Sysi> try new ati :p
[12:26] <MorphixNW> lol
[12:27] <MorphixNW> I have a "PC Specialist Laptop" here thats pretty beastty
[12:27] <MorphixNW> Core 2 Due T660 2.60Ghz, 4GB DDR, 320GB, Radeon 512MB
[12:28] <MorphixNW> just a shames its not mine, its only here for repair
[12:28] <Sysi> i'm considering getting mac laptop
[12:29] <MorphixNW> they will run Linux these days :D
[12:29] <Sysi> better tan lenovo which was other option
[12:29] <Sysi> linux/ubuntu
[12:30] <MorphixNW> I used to like "Thinkpad" but since they sold out and re-branded as "Lenovo" I am with you
[12:30] <MorphixNW> MAC all the way for solid hardware
[12:31] <Sysi> they have some HW issues too, but mb air is just so sweet
[12:32] <Sysi> pretty little thing with c2d
[12:50] <ShootEmUp> Hello Everyone!
[12:57] <udo_> hello, how can I do the settings for vinagre
[12:57] <udo_> I'm using xfce
[13:01] <udo_> hello, how can I do the settings for vinagre
[13:01] <udo_> I'm using xfce
[13:01] <Sysi> from the program?
[13:02] <udo_> Sysi, no setting password etc
[13:02] <udo_> Sysi, cant find how to do that , in ubuntu it was somwhere under systewmsettigs, but xfce?
[13:03] <Sysi> you want to set up vnc server? vinagre is just a client
[13:06] <udo_> Sysi, yes, I also dont now how/where to start the vnc server
[13:07] <Sysi> you should try vino
[13:08] <udo_> oops, not installed...hm, thought this is already default
[13:08] <Sysi> in ubuntu i think it is
[13:08] <ShootEmUp> !info vino
[13:09] <ShootEmUp> is optional
[13:09] <Sysi> it still could be there by default i think?
[13:09] <ShootEmUp> not installed by default
[13:10] <Sysi> can be so, i don't use gnome
[13:13] <udo_> ok, its vino-preferences. But is there a menue where you have access to vino-preferences?
[13:33] <wieshka> hey there - what desktop env runs Xubuntu with ?
[13:33] <Sysi> xfce
[13:34] <wieshka> is xfce more lightweight then Gnome/KDE ?
[13:34] <ShootEmUp> yes
[13:34] <wieshka> is there some good link, where i can see compare ?
[13:35] <ShootEmUp> if you have less than 512MB of ram, xubuntu is better than ubuntu.
[13:35] <Sysi> xubuntu runs better with 512MB than gnome
[13:35] <ShootEmUp> I'll see if I can find you one
[13:35] <Sysi> sloow
[13:35] <wieshka> i have 2 Gb, but i am less on CPU
[13:35] <wieshka> N330 Atmo
[13:35] <wieshka> Atom
[13:35] <Sysi> no help
[13:35] <wieshka> 1.6 Ghz
[13:35] <TheSheep> wieshka: what exactly do you want to see compared?
[13:36] <wieshka> default install performance between versions of Ubuntu
[13:36] <Sysi> disable desktop effects, use adblock and maybe noscript and deal with it
[13:36] <TheSheep> performance measured how?
[13:36] <wieshka> most interesting part for me is CPU
[13:36] <ShootEmUp> you most likely have a dual-core CPU, in that case ubuntu is the best bet
[13:36] <Sysi> there's no "performace" in desktop, just resource usage
[13:37] <ShootEmUp> 1.6GHz X 2
[13:37] <wieshka> Sysi: sorry for my english - i meaned resource usage, yes
[13:37] <Sysi> cpu usage comes pretty much 100% from applications
[13:37] <wieshka> Sysi: my appplications will use ~90 of all 4 CPU threads
[13:37] <TheSheep> buthow do you measure it?
[13:38] <Sysi> wieshka: you could try to find lighter ones
[13:38] <wieshka> in basics it is HD Video playback
[13:38] <wieshka> with Adobe air - very specific aplllications
[13:39] <ShootEmUp> many people have preformace problems when Ubuntu One is running
[13:39] <Sysi> my netbook played video better when i removed pulseaudio
[13:39] <TheSheep> your video playback speed won't change
[13:39] <TheSheep> with xubuntu
[13:40] <TheSheep> because when playing video, all the cpu is used by that application anyways
[13:40] <TheSheep> so changing the environment that launched it won't help you
[13:40] <wieshka> TheSheep: i am not trying to improvemy video playback - it is ok. The problem is, that i also have some background proceses, what can hang video, so every % of CPU usage is importnant
[13:41] <wieshka> hmmmm, maybe i should try 64 bit instead of 32
[13:42] <Sysi> you can't go over what you HW is capable
[13:45] <wieshka> how stable is Maverick Meerkat - i mean for production use, not personal/test
[13:45] <wieshka> or better is to choose Lynx ?
[13:45] <ShootEmUp> Maerick Meerkat is stable
[13:46] <Sysi> stable versions should be stable
[13:46] <Sysi> if lts works, i'd recommend it
[13:46] <Sysi> "not working" is best reason for update
[14:04] <kuzorra> Hello everyone! Hallo zusammen!
[14:06] <kuzorra> kann mir jemand bei der Auflösungseinstellung helfen?
[14:06] <kuzorra> can anyone help me with the screen resolution?
[14:06] <ShootEmUp> sure
[14:06] <ShootEmUp> whats the problem?
[14:07] <kuzorra> graphic: Intel 845 on xubuntu 10.10, I can't change my resolution
[14:07] <ShootEmUp> how are you trying to change your resolution?
[14:08] <kuzorra> under "settings for xfce 4" I can't pick different resolutions
[14:08] <kuzorra> the drop down menu doesnt open....
[14:08] <ShootEmUp> under settings -> monitors right?
[14:08] <error21> how to fix login in Xubuntu 9.10?
[14:09] <kuzorra> ....not for resolution, and neither for refresh rate
[14:09] <Sysi> kuzorra: try arandr
[14:09] <kuzorra> wait a sec, I'll check for that
[14:09] <kuzorra> I think it's called "display", "Anzeige" in German
[14:10] <kuzorra> @sysi I googled for my problem, I don't know arandr, so that doesn't help without further instructions
[14:10] <error21> I have update xubuntu to 9.10 change resolution and then can`t login
[14:11] <ShootEmUp> kuzorra, try sudo apt-get install lxrandr
[14:11] <ShootEmUp> then run lxrandr
[14:11] <kuzorra> there is only one display listed
[14:11] <kuzorra> I just installed xubuntu on an old pc, using a 14" screen....
[14:12] <kuzorra> ...ubuntu & suse worked well with this screen
[14:12] <Sysi> arandr is easy, GUI
[14:12] <Sysi> just install it
[14:13] <error21> someone?
[14:13] <Sysi> xorg and kernel versions matter with HW(gpu) compability
[14:14] <kuzorra> how do I copy&paste into a terminal window?
[14:14] <Sysi> paint and middle click is fastest
[14:14] <Sysi> or shift ctrl v
[14:14] <ShootEmUp> ctrl + shift + v
[14:14] <Sysi> error21: could you be more exact?
[14:15] <error21> i update xubuntu
[14:15] <error21> to 9.10
[14:15] <error21> and when i try to login
[14:15] <kuzorra> is 9.10 faster than 10.10
[14:15] <Sysi> 9.10 has EOL soon too..
[14:15] <Sysi> shouldn't be faster
[14:15] <error21> i can`t log in
[14:16] <Sysi> it just pops back to login?
[14:16] <error21> yes
[14:16] <error21> I select xt ... and log
[14:16] <Sysi> press ctrl alt F1 to get to virtual terminal, log in there
[14:16] <error21> and then?
[14:16] <Sysi> ctrl alt F7 or F8 is back to graphical
[14:17] <Sysi> rm .ICEauthority
[14:17] <error21> ok
[14:17] <error21> ok
[14:17] <error21> that `s all?
[14:17] <kuzorra> okay, I ran lxrandr
[14:17] <Sysi> try
[14:17] <ShootEmUp> kuzorra, and what happend?
[14:17] <error21> thanks
[14:18] <kuzorra> screen popped up, but still just one resolution listed
[14:18] <Sysi> error21: it worked? np
[14:18] <kuzorra> or "automatic" as resolution and refresh rate
[14:18] <error21> now I try
[14:19] <kuzorra> kuzorra@kuzorra-linux:~$ lxrandr
[14:19] <kuzorra> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[14:19] <kuzorra> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[14:20] <kuzorra> that was written in terminal after that
[14:20] <ShootEmUp> okay
[14:21] <kuzorra> tried again, still the same
[14:21] <kuzorra> at least the pull down menu opens, which it dioesn't under xfce settings
[14:21] <ShootEmUp> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg try that
[14:22] <kuzorra> tried that before, but I#ll check again
[14:22] <kuzorra> nothing happened
[14:23] <kuzorra> check resolution with lxrandr again?
[14:23] <kuzorra> sill the same
[14:23] <ShootEmUp> type sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[14:23] <kuzorra> btw: should I have a working xorg.conf under xububntu 10.10?
[14:24] <ShootEmUp> and tell me whats in it
[14:24] <ShootEmUp> you don't need one
[14:24] <ShootEmUp> but sometimes is helps
[14:24] <Sysi> shouldn't need
[14:24] <kuzorra> nothing, just a blank file is opened
[14:24] <kuzorra> I looked for that file under file management before, but couldn't find one
[14:25] <kuzorra> even with hidden files shown
[14:25] <Sysi> it isn't there by default
[14:25] <kuzorra> google told me that Intel 845 had problems under former ubuntus too
[14:26] <kuzorra> maybe there is a vesa driver used instead?
[14:26] <kuzorra> does it make a big differnce....and if,  how do I check and change that?
[14:27] <Sysi> no, it should be about monitor detecting
[14:28] <kuzorra> lxrandr says "standard monitor" is detected
[14:28] <kuzorra> does xubuntu automatically pick the right driver for Intel 845?
[14:29] <ShootEmUp> it trys
[14:29] <Sysi> basically best
[14:29] <kuzorra> how do I find out which driver is in use?
[14:30] <Sysi> lspci -k
[14:30] <ShootEmUp> kuzorra try sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel
[14:31] <ShootEmUp> then reboot
[14:31] <kuzorra> kuzorra@kuzorra-linux:~$ sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel
[14:31] <kuzorra> Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig
[14:31] <kuzorra> Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut
[14:31] <kuzorra> Statusinformationen werden eingelesen... Fertig
[14:31] <kuzorra> xserver-xorg-video-intel ist schon die neueste Version.
[14:31] <kuzorra> Die folgenden Pakete wurden automatisch installiert und werden nicht mehr benötigt:
[14:31] <kuzorra>   linux-headers-2.6.35-22 linux-headers-2.6.35-22-generic
[14:31] <kuzorra> Verwenden Sie »apt-get autoremove«, um sie zu entfernen.
[14:31] <kuzorra> 0 aktualisiert, 0 neu installiert, 0 zu entfernen und 0 nicht aktualisiert.
[14:31] <kuzorra> kuzorra@kuzorra-linux:~$
[14:31] <kuzorra> which basically tells me that nothing was changed
[14:32] <ShootEmUp> I got that, let me search some more
[14:33] <kuzorra> i'll reboot and be back soon
[14:33] <ShootEmUp> ok
[14:33] <kuzorra> thanks for your help!
[14:39] <ShootEmUp> charlie-tca, long time no see!
[14:40] <charlie-tca> I am hiding these days... ;-)
[14:40] <ShootEmUp> from who?
[14:40] <charlie-tca> everyone?
[14:40] <ShootEmUp> ohh, ok
[14:40] <charlie-tca> Good Morning, ShootEmUp
[14:40] <ShootEmUp> good morning to you too
[14:42] <ShootEmUp> so what you been up to?
[14:42] <charlie-tca> same as always... bugs, testing, and other
[14:42] <ShootEmUp> well... my wii broke :(
[14:43] <charlie-tca> my daughters too
[14:43] <charlie-tca> it was 4 years old, though
[14:43] <ShootEmUp> dirty lens of death
[14:43] <ShootEmUp> mines 1 year
[14:43] <charlie-tca> This one won't spin at all
[14:43] <ShootEmUp> geting a cleaning disk, hoping it works.
[14:44] <charlie-tca> Pretty sure not spinning is not good ;-)
[14:44] <ShootEmUp> mine spins, but can't play dual-layered games
[14:45] <charlie-tca> sounds like the laser... either dirty or out of line
[14:45]  * TheSheep is scavenging cd drives for motors
[14:45] <ShootEmUp> yeah dirty laser, can still play gamecube games
[14:49] <ShootEmUp> geting the cleaning disk tonight! hopfully can play some black ops later
[14:50] <charlie-tca> heh
[14:52] <ShootEmUp> what? Black ops on wii not your liking?
[14:54] <charlie-tca> I finally learned how to put the disks in the thing
[14:54] <charlie-tca> I have ever used the wii, myself.
[14:54] <ShootEmUp> you put it in the front
[14:55] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[14:55] <ShootEmUp> I thought everybody knew that
[14:55] <charlie-tca> They taught me how to get them out again, too
[14:55] <ShootEmUp> lol
[14:55] <ShootEmUp> Wiis are great
[14:56] <charlie-tca> yeah, at least they keep the kids busy
[14:56] <ShootEmUp> or keep me busy
[14:57] <ShootEmUp> I think I had 300+ hours on Modern Warefare Reflex
[15:02] <ShootEmUp> well I gotta go now, TTYL
[15:10] <kuzorra> hello again
[15:10] <kuzorra> still the same problem, can't change the resolution
[15:12] <kuzorra> any hints how to configure my Intel 845 under xubuntu 10.10?
[15:13] <kuzorra> ....or how to change display type, now it's set on Standard
[15:15] <kuzorra> anybody out there?
[15:16] <charlie-tca> Yes, people are out there.
[15:16] <kuzorra> that's nice to know ;-)
[15:17] <kuzorra> ....and can anyone tell me other stuff I could try to set up my screen properly?
[15:17] <charlie-tca> !patience
[15:18] <kuzorra> hmmmmmkay
[15:18] <charlie-tca> Here is a whole page of stuff you can try - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Resolution
[15:19] <kuzorra> I looked around a lot before, but as a total noob it's hard to find answers/explanations that are on my level
[15:21] <kuzorra> another problem I hav: I "lost" my shutdown button from my sidebar.....
[15:22] <kuzorra> ....and can't add it again via right-click, where do I find it?
[15:23] <charlie-tca> What version of Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu are you using? Which is it?
[15:23] <kuzorra> xubuntu 10.10
[15:24] <charlie-tca> right-click the panel, left-click action buttons, add...
[15:27] <kuzorra> I don't know what "action button" could be in the german version
[15:28] <kuzorra> there is properties, move, delete, add new elements adjust panel
[15:28] <kuzorra> I didn't find it under add
[15:29] <kuzorra> okay, got it
[15:29] <kuzorra> the thing to be added is "action button"
[15:29] <kuzorra> but shutdown was missing....
[15:30] <kuzorra> .....which could be fixed via settings
[15:32] <kuzorra> dammit....this just shuts down the panel and loogs me off
[15:40] <kuzorra> so I added a Starter with menu, with entries like shutdown, restart, standby and hibernate
[15:41] <kuzorra> but what are the commands to use there? now those entries are still empty, because I don't know what to fill in
[15:41] <kuzorra> and I don't want to use a termninal command that requires a PW everytime I want to shut down
[15:49] <kuzorra> bye for now....
[16:43] <The_Maverick> was wondering if anyone here used docky. to add an app to docky i have to add an application to the desktop then drag it, but if i delete the desktop shortcut the app will not work on the dock.
[16:43] <Sysi> docky-dock?
[16:43] <Sysi> (only used awn)
[16:43] <The_Maverick> yeah docky the dock
[16:44] <The_Maverick> i dont think that will let me add a custom launcher.
[16:44] <charlie-tca> I did not think docky worked
[16:44] <The_Maverick> lol yeah it works. i like it because it runs smoothely, but it seems that i might have to switch if i can not resolve this problem
[16:53] <maverick_> okay scratch that. i found a way around it
[17:21] <error21> rm .ICEauthority but when restart the same problem
[17:22] <error21> can help someone?
[17:22] <charlie-tca> Would you expand the question? Same problem leaves a lot of questions...
[17:23] <error21> I can`t log in
[17:23] <error21> type my user on the login
[17:23] <error21> password
[17:23] <error21> but I can`t login
[17:23] <charlie-tca> does it do anything? can you log in from a tty using Crtl+Alt+F2?
[17:24] <error21> I have rm .ICEauthority
[17:24] <error21> i log but resend me back
[17:24] <error21> only xterm I can access
[17:24] <error21> not xfce session
[17:25] <error21> be back to try
[17:25] <error21> thanks
[17:29] <error21> I checked
[17:30] <error21> but resend me back to the login form
[17:30] <error21> xubuntu 9.10
[17:30] <error21> can`t get in
[17:31] <error21> :))
[17:31] <error21> first say that resolution 800X600
[17:32] <error21> may be the problem?
[17:33] <error21> ?
[17:33] <charlie-tca> no
[17:33] <error21> any solution
[17:33] <charlie-tca> but you can go in through a tty or xterm and delete the following file
[17:33] <error21> i can go
[17:33] <error21> but just in xterm
[17:33] <error21> with xfce no
[17:34] <charlie-tca> ~/.cache/
[17:34] <error21> yes
[17:34] <charlie-tca> just go into xterm then. Use    rm -r ~/.cache
[17:34] <charlie-tca> then we will do one more
[17:34] <error21> ok
[17:36] <charlie-tca> also do    rm -r ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-session.xml
[17:36] <charlie-tca> then restart the computer
[17:36] <error21> done
[17:37] <charlie-tca> can you log in now?
[17:37] <error21> i will try
[17:41] <error21> no
[17:41] <error21> show something root login
[17:41] <charlie-tca> yeah, I think we did not get it all done.
[17:42] <error21> and *ERROR* 600
[17:42] <charlie-tca> here it is again, stay until you get all of this, because you have to do it all at one time
[17:42] <error21> ok
[17:42] <error21> to be 4ever
[17:42] <charlie-tca> first,       rm -r ~/.cache
[17:43] <error21> can access all time
[17:43] <error21> ok
[17:43] <charlie-tca> second,     rm -r ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-session.xml
[17:43] <error21> next
[17:43] <charlie-tca> third, restart the computer without saving anything
[17:43] <charlie-tca> then try to login through gdm again.
[17:44] <charlie-tca> Now try that. You have to both rm's without restarting between them or it won't work
[17:44] <error21> ok
[17:47] <error21> no such file
[17:47] <error21> the xml file
[17:48] <error21> in .config
[17:48] <error21> :))
[17:51] <error21> .config :
[17:51] <error21> audacious
[17:51] <error21> gigolo
[17:52] <error21> orage
[17:52] <error21> autostart
[17:52] <error21> gpicview
[17:52] <error21> Terminal
[17:52] <error21> ...
[17:53] <error21> ?
[17:54] <error21> I have xubuntu 9.04
[17:54] <error21> update to 8.10
[17:54] <error21> 9.10
[17:54] <error21> but can`t join xfce
[17:56] <error21> no idea?
[17:56] <error21> xubuntu 9.04 no more supported
[17:57] <error21> ok bye thanks that all :) moving back to xp
[18:30] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 30 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend.
[19:19] <xubuntu466> thx. I'm installing Xubuntu 10.10 and I'm curious to see which kind of help I could expect
[19:20] <xubuntu466> nobody there?
[19:20] <charlie-tca> We are here, but in a meeting
[19:20] <charlie-tca> !hi | xubuntu466
[19:23] <xubuntu466> hi, I met problems to install directly Xubuntu without passing through Live cd. Passing through Live cd, instead, all seem to be fine. Just as report. I won't disturb your meeting. Bye and thanks
[19:23] <charlie-tca> Thanks. Which version was that?
[19:24] <xubuntu466> 10.10
[19:24] <xubuntu466> italian language
[19:24] <charlie-tca> We will look into it
[19:25] <xubuntu466> bye
[19:25] <xubuntu466> quit
[19:49] <nicofs> I need help... i more or less wrecked my system, or to be precise, my GTK+... i tried to compile&install a newer version - which went wrong - but now my system is weid. most icons have disappeared, all others have changed. is there a way to fall back to a "clean" xubuntu?
[19:51] <Besogon> can't you delete xubuntu-dektop package at all and then install it again?
[19:51] <charlie-tca> remove the ppa, remove the new gtk+, install the gtk+ in the repository
[19:53] <nicofs> charlie-tca, according to synaptic, gtk+ has never been changed...
[19:54] <charlie-tca> nicofs: go into settings -> Appearance, pick Elementary icons
[19:55] <nicofs> charlie-tca, i did... no matter which icon pack i choose, it all stays the same... i guess i will have to delete and reinstall xubuntu-desktop...
[19:56] <charlie-tca> try it. The package is a meta-package, though. It doesn't really remove anything when you uninstall it
[19:56] <Besogon> why not?
[19:57] <Besogon> ah yes
[20:03] <nicofs> hmm... i could only uninstall gtk and reinstall it - but uninstalling gtk in synaptic removes almost all of my system - and automatically installs KDE...
[20:12] <charlie-tca> Instead of removing it, just click it for a install again?
[20:13] <charlie-tca> Not knowing exactly what was installed hurts. It might not be the actual application you are trying to reinstall, but another lib/app entirely
[20:19] <nicofs> charlie-tca, could be... i reinstalled it already - no change... all of that, because i wanted pidgin 2.7.9 instead of 2.7.3 ... where has it got me? corrupted system using 2.7.3 ...
[20:23] <nicofs> i think i ruined it completely... in synaptic i can't open the repositories menu anymore... i think i will have to remove xubuntu&xfce&gtk+...
[20:26] <nicofs> if i won't login again until Sunday, it hasn't worked^^
[20:51] <arizalord> how do i get extended desktop option in xubuntu?
[20:51] <arizalord> for multiple display with different resolution!
[20:53] <dr4c4n> arizalord: what is your graphics card?
[20:54] <arizalord> dr4c4n: its an ati 200m
[20:55] <dr4c4n> arizalord: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Maverick_Installation_Guide#Dual.2FMulti_Monitors have u tried this?
[20:56] <Sysi> if you're using open drivers, try arandr
[20:56] <dr4c4n> and aticonfig
[20:56] <Sysi> catalyst should include settingsmanager
[20:57] <arizalord> ok thx so much, ill try
[21:11] <maverick_> it seems that i have an extra layer on my desktop. like when i add icons. it adds another set that i can not delete or click on. anyone else have this issue?
[21:24] <Guest45936> i have a question. when i have xubuntu installed and i use a "gnome session" is it any different than the regular ubuntu with gnome?
[21:26] <Sysi> you can have different/more programs, different bootup logo and login screen but basically not
[21:36] <nicofs> OK. Now my system is gone. I urgently need help to connect to the internet via console. i can start the interface (ifconfig ra0 up) and list available networks (iwlist). i think, i can connect to the networt (how could i check if i'm connectd?) - but dhclient won't work. i simply can't obtain an ip. no ip, no apt-get - and no gui...
[22:04] <nicofs> after connecting via "iwconfig [interface] [essid]" - how can i check if i am really connected? and how do i obtain an ip address? please help me... i need to get internet working somehow...
[22:06] <charlie-tca> You should be able to connect with "ifconfig [interface] up"
[22:06] <charlie-tca> You can check it using either iwconfig or ifconfig and see if any bytes are moving
[22:06] <charlie-tca> This line says it is transferring bytes, thus connected -
[22:06] <charlie-tca> RX bytes:800628 (800.6 KB)  TX bytes:800628 (800.6 KB)
[22:13] <nicofs> charlie-tca: but "ping google.fr" returns unknown hostname...
[22:14] <nicofs> even though bytes have been moved...
[22:14] <nicofs> my problem resides with dhcp...
[22:14] <gr8m8> what's in /etc/resolv.conf ?
[22:15] <nicofs> gr8m8: i will check... but i'm in dual boot - so it's complicated... hang on... stupid of me... should be able to access it from here...
[22:16] <gr8m8> when you boot into the os make sure the dhcp daemon is running too
[22:18] <nicofs> gr8m8: ok. because of android-caused restrictions (no text editor) i can't check here... how could i start dhcp daemon in case it's not running?
[22:19] <Besogon> nicofs, What encryption do you have with your Wifi?
[22:19] <nicofs> Besogon: it's a hotel WLAN and not encrypted...
[22:20] <gr8m8> I've no idea   sudo service dhcpd start   maybe I would check it with   ps aux | grep dhcp
[22:22] <nicofs> ok... i'll check resolv.conf and dhcp daemon... hang on, back in a jiffy, i hope...
[22:41] <nicofs> ok... apparently connecting doesn't work proberly... no received or sent packeges are listed. resolv.conf is empty. service dhcpd start returns that there is no such service.
[22:44] <Besogon> ok
[22:45] <Besogon> up to me I've never started up interface with iwconfig. Was the interface made up?
[22:46] <nicofs> i started with ifconfig ra0 up...
[22:46] <nicofs> and then i listed networks with iwlist ra0 scanning
[22:49] <nicofs> i'm out of options...
[22:50] <Besogon> iwlist scanning
[22:50] <starfishblub> What would be better for a old laptop xubuntu lts or xubuntu 10.10
[22:51] <charlie-tca> depends on how fast you want to update and whether you want the latest and greatest or stabiltiy for 3 years
[22:52] <nicofs> Besogon: how is that different to iwlist "ra0" scanning?
[22:52] <starfishblub> what is better for use as a student and main computer?
[22:53] <charlie-tca> starfishblub: personally, I upgrade every 6 months on my work machine, so LTS doesn't work. My server has LTS because I don't want to reinstall things or break it
[22:53] <Besogon> I know only that iwlist scanning can give all result on all interfaces...
[22:54] <nicofs> Besogon: i only have on interface, ra0. it lists many networks. among them the one i want to connect to... now how do i connect and get an ip address?
[22:54] <charlie-tca> starfishblub: personal choice. Xubuntu 10.10 is good until april 2012, LTS is a three year distribution. You can upgrade it in two if desired, but it is supported for three. xubuntu 10.04 LTS is good until April 2013
[22:55] <starfishblub> So i should use lts for a server and 10.10 for the laptop?
[22:56] <charlie-tca> You should use LTS for any server, yes
[22:56] <charlie-tca> I don't know how often you want to upgrade as a student, though.
[22:57] <starfishblub> I am skilled with ubuntu but am brand new to xubuntu and the laptop is fairly slow with ubuntu.
[22:57] <Besogon> nicofs, OK. After all Did you have upped the interface?
[22:57] <charlie-tca> It's almost the same as far as maintenance
[22:58] <starfishblub> So it will have the same features as I am used to?
[22:58] <charlie-tca> hrm, no
[22:58] <Besogon> If so to enable DHCP you need "sudo dhclient ra0" only
[22:59] <charlie-tca> You might have to work more to get everything working, since we do not set everything up the way Ubuntu does.
[22:59] <starfishblub> What are the major differences?
[22:59] <charlie-tca> If it is a fairly new laptop, go with 10.10
[22:59] <charlie-tca> !xubuntu
[22:59] <nicofs> Besogon: dhclient ra0 runs for a while and then tells me that there was nothing to get...
[22:59] <starfishblub> Its actually quite old
[23:00] <charlie-tca> Abiword and Gnumeric instead of OpenOffice.org
[23:00] <starfishblub> How different are they?
[23:00] <charlie-tca> exaile instead of totem, xfburn instead of brasero, parole instead of ??? something
[23:01] <Besogon> nicofs, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571188
[23:01] <nicofs> starfishblub: why not use an xubuntu live cd and have a look around?
[23:01] <starfishblub> I don't have totem
[23:01] <charlie-tca> Abiword and gnumeric are full featured, but they are much lighter on resources. They don't get all the extra bells and whistles
[23:01] <Besogon> look at section Unencrypted Connection
[23:01] <starfishblub> Wine still works the same?
[23:01] <charlie-tca> maybe it was rythmbox got replaced by exaile?
[23:02] <charlie-tca> parole is the movie player in Xubuntu
[23:02] <starfishblub> oh Its just called movie player in ubuntu
[23:03] <charlie-tca> mousepad is used instead of gedit
[23:03] <starfishblub> Will it have the same syntax and file format fetures.I am learning computer science courses.
[23:04] <starfishblub> O:-))
[23:04] <starfishblub> Mistake.
[23:06] <starfishblub> Will it be just as good for programming as gedit?
[23:06] <charlie-tca> I would try the live cd, and give it a look. Keep in mind though, the live cd is slow compared to an installed version
[23:06] <charlie-tca> starfishblub: yes, it should have
[23:06] <charlie-tca> gedit is better for programming than mousepad, but you can install it yourself
[23:06] <starfishblub> Thanks for your help.
[23:07] <charlie-tca> You are welcome. I am sure either choice will be just as good for you
[23:08] <Besogon> Ubuntu Software Center has better thing than gedit but it's selling.