[00:08] <gnomelogger> Riddell: /usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/kresources_shared_akonadi.mo
[00:09] <gnomelogger> Riddell: libkdepim4 4:4.5.93-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1
[00:16] <gnomelogger> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/0101-pulse-Disable-xlib-in-pulse.-libpulse-now-uses-xcb-o.patch sort of changelog: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/changelog
[01:04] <EagleScreen> I ma wtaching a *.install file as reference
[01:04] <EagleScreen> it only has the target files to be installed
[01:04] <gnomelogger> Riddell: did you fall asleep?
[01:04] <Riddell> gnomelogger: I'm busy packaging!
[01:04] <Riddell> I also don't care much about computer games
[01:04] <gnomelogger> Riddell: you should for that one :D
[01:05] <EagleScreen> I ma curious how Debian/Ubuntu knows the origin file to copy
[01:05] <Riddell> EagleScreen: make install is run
[01:05] <Riddell> that installs the files into debian/tmp
[01:06] <gnomelogger> well actually dh_install I believe
[01:06] <Riddell> and the .install file tell debhelper which .deb to put it into
[01:06] <Riddell> by coping the file from debian/tmp to debian/<package>/ which gets made into the .deb
[01:07] <EagleScreen> the current make install installs all in /usr/local/share........, will dh_install install them in /usr/share instead?
[01:07] <Riddell> cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr
[01:07] <Riddell> that's how it's configured
[01:08] <EagleScreen> well
[01:08] <Riddell> then after `make` the packaging runs  `DESTDIR=debian/tmp make install` and the files get installed into debian/tmp/usr/...
[01:08] <EagleScreen> to know which files must I include in the .deb, I ma using the 'make install' output, am I doing it well?
[01:09] <Riddell> then dh_install copies to debian/<package>/usr/... which gets made into the .deb
[01:09] <EagleScreen> * to know which files to write in the .install
[01:09] <Riddell> EagleScreen: does the package make more than one .deb file?
[01:10] <EagleScreen> I want it to do it (binary and debugging symbols) I am working in packaging KDE4 verison of Kdbg
[01:11] <Riddell> dh_install --list-missing
[01:11] <Riddell> that might help
[01:11] <Riddell> should give you a list of files that need to be added to .install files
[01:12] <EagleScreen> I got this:
[01:12] <EagleScreen> $ dh_install --list-missing
[01:12] <EagleScreen> dh_install: kdbg missing files (), aborting
[01:13] <Riddell> well that'll only work if the source package has been built
[01:13] <Riddell> if you want to install all files you should be able to just put "usr/" into the .install file
[01:13] <Riddell> that'll copy the whole directory
[01:14] <EagleScreen> and is it good? I don't see any reason to not copy some files
[01:14] <Riddell> yes, I expect it's what you want
[01:15] <EagleScreen> ok, thanks
[01:15] <Riddell> if you only make one .deb package then you don't need a .install file at all, it'll just put all the files into the package.  but you have a dbg package that might not be the case
[01:16] <EagleScreen> I understand
[01:21] <EagleScreen> do you recommend some argument to run lintian with?
[01:22] <Riddell> I just run it as "lintian"
[01:23]  * gnomelogger also meant to por the list missing foo -.-
[01:23] <gnomelogger> meh
[01:23] <gnomelogger> so much todo
[01:23] <gnomelogger> :(
[01:26] <EagleScreen> I can't create a natty enviroment with pbuilder, I get this: http://pastebin.ca/2039969
[01:26] <EagleScreen> (I am running Debian testing right now)
[01:28] <yofel> EagleScreen: make sure you have '--keyring' '/usr/share/keyrings/ubuntu-archive-keyring.gpg' in your DEBOOTSTRAPOPTS for ubuntu pbuilders
[01:29] <yofel> EagleScreen: here's how I do it for debian, like 69f http://paste.ubuntu.com/551331/
[01:29] <yofel> *line 69f
[01:29] <EagleScreen> can it go in .pbuilderrc?
[01:30] <EagleScreen> Isee
[01:30] <yofel> (that's my pbuilderrc btw.)
[01:30]  * yofel is off to bed, good night
[01:31] <gnomelogger> that sould not be  needed unless you override the default rc
[01:31] <Riddell> 4.5.95 uploaded to natty
[01:31] <Riddell> will do maverick tomorrow morning 
[01:31] <gnomelogger> sweet
[01:38] <EagleScreen> I have this: http://pastebin.ca/2039980 and the error is still here
[01:40] <EagleScreen> yofel: any idea?
[02:52] <EagleScreen> yofel: the right option is "--keyring=/usr/share/keyrings/ubuntu-archive-keyring.gpg" look at the '='
[05:09] <stalcup> Riddell: ScottK https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+packages
[05:28] <ScottK> stalcup: We need someone to test them then.
[05:34] <ScottK> Riddell: I don't see an upload for kde4libs (4.5.95 on natty).  I'm not going to do it though in case you didn't upload it on purpose (do check bzr though as I found one small thing after I uploaded to the PPA).
[07:11] <valorie> it there no way to tell muon to just update everything which needs updating?
[07:11] <valorie> I am not gonna do them one by one
[07:29] <valorie> eh, I'll just do it with apt-get
[07:29] <valorie> easier
[09:49] <ulysses> I have an error during the upgrade from KDE 4.6 RC1 to RC2 in Natty
[09:50] <ulysses>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdewallpapers_4%3a4.5.95-0ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack):
[09:50] <ulysses>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/wallpapers/Ethais/metadata.desktop', which is also in package kdebase-workspace-wallpapers 4:4.5.90-0ubuntu1
[09:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: wheee
[09:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i found web browsing to be faster in general
[10:06] <shadeslayer> afiestas: it would be nice to get a option to turn off bluetooth in bluedevil
[10:35] <hrw> hi
[10:36] <hrw> bug 699773
[10:36] <ulysses> hm, I can confirm it
[10:37] <hrw> added report from dpkg --force-overwrite -i
[10:37] <yofel> ulysses: huh?
[10:37] <yofel> I fixed that yesterday...
[10:37] <ulysses> I updated today
[10:38] <ulysses> an aóhour ago
[10:38] <hrw> I just updated my system
[10:38] <ulysses> hour…
[10:38] <yofel> Riddell: you did not merge my kdeartwork branch before uploading...
[10:40] <hrw> heh... I love how plymouth disbehaves on my computers ;D
[10:41] <Riddell> yofel: oh foo sorry
[11:04] <afiestas> shadeslayer: master has it
[11:48] <shadeslayer> afiestas: kewl thanks :D
[12:09] <ulysses> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ulysses/kepek/oxygentransparent.png
[12:13] <Riddell> pretty
[12:27] <Trouble> Ooooh yea, that is looking good!
[12:33] <Trouble> kdm : Depends: libkworkspace4 (= 4:4.5.95-0ubuntu1~maverick~ppa2) but 4:4.5.95-0ubuntu1~maverick~ppa3 is to be installed
[12:35] <Riddell> Trouble: amd64 or i386?
[12:35] <Trouble> amd64
[12:35] <Trouble> Also... kdm : Depends: kdebase-workspace-kgreet-plugins (= 4:4.5.95-0ubuntu1~maverick~ppa2) but 4:4.5.95-0ubuntu1~maverick~ppa3 is to be installed
[12:36] <markey> where is apachelogger?
[12:36] <markey> I need to kill him a bit
[12:36] <markey> just a bit
[12:37] <markey> he posted a pic on Facebook
[12:37] <markey> from me
[12:37] <markey> good thing that is says "Mark Shuttleworth"
[12:37] <markey> I'm totally resembling him
[12:38] <Riddell> Trouble: https://private-ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ninjas/ppa/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/binary-i386/Packages  says kdm has 4:4.5.95-0ubuntu1~maverick~ppa3
[12:38] <skfin> How do you kill him a bit? Like you stab him with knife but just a bit?
[12:38] <markey> axe murdering, I think
[12:39] <markey> ah, he is hiding as gnomelogger
[12:39] <skfin> markey: That is killing him properly, not a bit
[12:39] <ulysses> gnome?:o traitor!
[12:39] <markey> skfin: also fine
[12:39] <skfin> Okay
[12:41] <Trouble> Riddell: Hmmmm yes I see! Let me see if I can work out what is going wrong
[12:41] <Trouble> I wonder if it's to do with this error from apt-get update that has suddenly appeared: "W: Bizarre Error - File size is not what the server reported 87850 78089"
[12:46] <Trouble> Riddell: It's okay now! Sorry to have bothered you :)
[12:47]  * Trouble kicks LaunchPad
[12:47] <yofel> I see that error too rather frequently with the ninjas PPA, wonder what's wrong with apt..
[12:47] <yofel> or launchpad, right..
[12:47]  * Trouble kicks apt-get for good measure
[12:48] <daitheflu> hi guys, I wonder if someone knows how to use KServices with PyKDE4 ? I'd like to make a plugin-based app
[12:49]  * jussi kicks Trouble...
[12:49]  * Trouble gives jussi some trouble
[12:50]  * jussi kicks Trouble... OUT! 
[12:50] <Trouble> lol
[12:50] <Trouble> /kickban!
[12:51] <jussi> Trouble: are you asking for trouble? 
[12:51]  * yofel had a knockout script for xchat once to do that for a limited time ^^
[12:51]  * Trouble cracks up
[12:51] <jussi> daitheflu: Im sorry to be so inattentive to your question, I just dont know the answer
[12:51] <Trouble> My first name is Justin...#
[12:51] <Trouble> Justin Trouble :D
[12:51] <jussi> now that is a complete dad joke :P
[12:51] <Trouble> Just-in Trouble (for the slow people)
[12:51] <yofel> you indeed have a troublesome name ^^
[12:52] <daitheflu> jussi: no worries :)
[12:52] <Trouble> My real surname isn't actually Trouble btw ;-)
[12:52] <jussi> Trouble: you know what we do with troublemakers here... :D
[12:52]  * jussi gets out the banhammer :P  
[12:56] <markey> Riddell: K3B is borked in Maverick with RC1 updates
[12:56] <yofel> markey: what happened?
[12:56] <markey> Riddell: says: "Unable to fixate disk. cdrecord has no permission to open the device."
[12:56] <markey> a HAL issue?
[12:57] <Trouble> lol banhammer :D
[12:57] <markey> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/9RegQyTA
[12:57] <markey> debug output from K3B
[12:58]  * jussi drags Trouble to #kubuntu-offtopic - shh, theres workers in here!!! :D
[13:00] <Trouble> I would never have guessed there was somewhere for offtopic Kubuntu chat from the way apachelogger goes on and on in here ;-p
[13:03]  * jussi waves in the sabdfl's direction
[13:04]  * yofel does an update test for 4.5.5 in the meanwhile
[13:05] <Riddell> markey: yeah, try installing hal
[13:05] <Riddell> we need to talk to upstream about that
[13:06] <Riddell> daitheflu: I'm afraid pykde guru sime isn't around currently (he's had a baby), probably best to e-mail the kdebindings list or the pyqt list
[13:06] <yofel> stalcup: kdeutils 4.5.5 is missing
[13:07] <daitheflu> Riddell: thanks for the advice, I'll try the mailing-lists
[13:09] <markey> Riddell: how to install HAL?
[13:10] <markey> maybe I should run K3B with sudo?
[13:10] <yofel> sudo apt-get install hal if it's missing
[13:11]  * yofel wonders if ppa.launchpad.net will ever have mirrors...
[13:13] <yofel> hey Quintasan
[13:13] <Quintasan> yofel: \o
[13:13] <Quintasan> What's with sip?
[13:14] <markey> yofel: thx
[13:16] <Quintasan> yofel: POX mailed me that there are stil some problems with sip, I will probably get everthing sorted out today
[13:17] <yofel> ok, I'm on an off today and will be gone for a while later, just ping me when sip works
[13:17] <Quintasan> Okay,
[13:17] <yofel> grr, keyboard-configuration in natty is annoying
[13:18] <Quintasan> Can't we remove this stuff?
[13:18] <Quintasan> I can't even figure out what it does
[13:21] <markeylogger> my head files like someone played football with it
[13:21] <markeylogger> :S
[13:22] <Quintasan> markeylogger: Ain't that because you got drunk?
[13:26] <yofel> markeylogger: any plans to update phonon-backend-gst in natty? I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/551474/
[13:27] <yofel> vlc backend works fine at least
[13:27] <apachelogger> yofel: make a snapshot :P
[13:28] <yofel> hm, _Groo_ had daily builds I think, maybe I'll test that later
[13:28] <apachelogger> phonon 4.4.4 comes out the day KDE 4.6 final is getting tagged
[13:28] <apachelogger> (someting 19 or so)
[13:28] <yofel> ah, cool
[13:29] <ulysses> KDE 4.6 will be tagged at 19th january
[13:32] <Quintasan> blame apachelogger for every breakage as we usually do and we will be fine ;)
[13:34] <apachelogger> talkign about that
[13:34] <apachelogger> it would be very cool if project neon could become usable at some point
[13:34] <apachelogger> every day that it is not published and advertised and used is a wasted one
[13:41] <yofel> apachelogger: sure thing, wanna fix0r bug 109114 while waiting?
[13:42] <apachelogger> so bzr is blocking again?
[13:42] <yofel> sure, it's blocking kdelibs, kdebase, kdepim and something else
[13:42] <apachelogger> see, here is the thing, if you guys had a blog you could start some public ranting, pissing the bzr devs off and thus getting this fixed
[13:42] <yofel> apachelogger: see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/ProjectNeon/RecipeStatus
[13:43] <yofel> ah, and qt
[13:43]  * yofel gets something to eat, bbl
[13:44]  * apachelogger needs to work on the ubuntu contact book stuff
[13:44] <apachelogger> oi vey
[13:45] <apachelogger> also a UDS essentials lists in order, so no one shall forget their bathingsuite no more
[13:48] <apachelogger> Mamarok: can you please stop markey from always wanting skype sessions :P
[13:48] <Quintasan|Droid> yofel: how do fix this kdm bug?
[13:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: !!!
[13:49] <Quintasan|Droid> apachelogger: piiiing
[13:49] <Quintasan|Droid> apachelogger: did u update to rc2?
[13:49]  * apachelogger shows Quintasan|Droid a nakkid picture of kubotu and hopes to scare him away
[13:49] <apachelogger> Quintasan|Droid: no, jr did
[13:50] <apachelogger> did he break something?
[13:50] <Quintasan|Droid> Hurrr
[13:50] <apachelogger> oh
[13:50]  * apachelogger cant read quite well today
[13:50] <Quintasan|Droid> Dunno, kdm mumbles something about ethias dir no being available
[13:50] <apachelogger> Quintasan|Droid: only on what is yet available on 10.10
[13:50] <apachelogger> yeah, that hought to be fixed in natty and a fix for 10.10 coming today jr said
[13:50] <apachelogger> Quintasan|Droid: just edit your kdmrc
[13:50] <Quintasan|Droid> I has natty lol
[13:51] <apachelogger> then possibly his fix was insufficient *shrug*
[13:52] <yofel> Quintasan|Droid: switch to horus theme or instal kdebase-workspace-wallpapers and kdewallpapers
[13:52] <yofel> ethais was cut into pieces
[13:53]  * apachelogger looks at his inbox, sees a couple of bug report labels lighting up and decides to not read mails today
[13:53] <yofel> lol
[13:53] <Quintasan|Droid> Wtf
[13:53] <Quintasan|Droid> yofel: where do I change this?
[13:53] <Quintasan|Droid> I need path since my terminal is somehow split
[13:54] <apachelogger> there is stuff like "Applications with phonon-vlc crashes at startup"
[13:54] <Quintasan|Droid> Like the prompt starts on the right side of the screen and ends at the left
[13:54] <apachelogger> of which I am sure is either fixed or only affecting opensuse
[13:55] <yofel> Quintasan|Droid: set 'Theme' in /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc, now I need to find out what the path was...
[13:55] <yofel> grr, both my upgraded pcs are off :S
[13:56] <apachelogger> same as ethias
[13:56] <apachelogger> just with horos
[13:56] <yofel> Quintasan|Droid: just look yourself what the new theme is called in /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/
[13:56] <apachelogger> /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/horos I believe
[13:56] <yofel> yeah, can't remember the exact name
[13:57] <apachelogger> Mamarok: btw, according to golem phonon is an audio backend, whereas xine is a video backend
[13:57] <yofel> yep, horos
[13:57] <apachelogger> I love them very much
[13:57] <yofel> ^^
[13:58] <apachelogger> I only read their crap every once in a while, and yet they manage to always have news to piss me off big time
[13:59] <Quintasan> hurp durp
[13:59] <Quintasan> yofel: thanks
[14:00] <yofel> np
[14:07] <Riddell> roar, kdebase-workspace artwork is going to kill me
[14:08] <ScottK> Riddell: kdebase is currently depwait on an updated kde-sv-dev-latest, but it's not been updated.  Should we update kde-sc-dev-latest or bump down the build-dep version in kdebase?
[14:09] <Riddell> yes meta-kde should get uploaded
[14:09] <Riddell> I'm just stressing at kdebase-workspace just now
[14:11] <ScottK> OK.  I can take care of that.
[14:11] <Riddell> thanks
[14:19] <84XABIUT3> hello all.. does someone know when this workaround will be used? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/604122 i need to put some files on my sd-card..
[14:19] <84XABIUT3> :s
[14:21] <84XABIUT3> or where is a workaround-kernel which is easy to install?
[14:21] <ScottK> Done.
[14:21] <ScottK> 84XABIUT3: Help is in #ubuntu or #kubuntu.
[14:22] <84XABIUT3> ok, thanks
[14:24] <84XABIUT3> ScottK: do you know the solution? i asked, but since now, no one answered.. and i'm a bit in a hurry :s
[14:25] <ScottK> 84XABIUT3: No.  I haven't had that problem.
[14:25] <84XABIUT3> ok..
[14:27] <Quintasan> 84XABIUT3: You'd better ask in #ubuntu-kernel
[14:27] <Quintasan> 84XABIUT3: and you need to be veeeeery patient to get answer there
[14:27] <84XABIUT3> damn :
[14:27] <84XABIUT3> :s
[14:28] <84XABIUT3> why isn't it workarounded by CONFIG_MMC_RICOH_MMC=n ?!?
[14:29] <apachelogger> we do not know, as Quintasan indicated #ubuntu-kernel is where kernel matters are discussed
[14:30] <Quintasan> 84XABIUT3: We're just making Kubuntu,not kernel
[14:31] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1212588 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/muon/CMakeLists.txt Somehow the adding of the icons directory to CMakeLists.txt got undone...
[14:34] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Did you get my ping a couple of days ago RE checking symbol changes in kde4libs/pimlibs for 4.5.95?  Do you think you'll be able to look at it?
[14:35] <ScottK> http://pastebin.com/yw84BitX is kde4libs in case you missed it.
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: nope, I hadn't gotten that ping. I can take a look at it
[14:36] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Thanks.  I can't seem to find my pimlibs diff, but it's in the archive now, so you can look at the build logs there.
[14:37] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Please wait until after kde4libs finishes on armel and powerpc to upload an update if you come up with one.
[14:54] <Quintasan> Desktop effects are really smooth now!
[15:32] <ScottK> Riddell: Reading https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-qa/2011-January/001379.html I'm left wondering if we shouldn't set reboot required for full KDE SC version updates?
[15:33] <markey> re
[15:36] <markey> Riddell: 
[15:36] <markey> "hal is already the newest version."
[15:36] <markey> it was installed...
[15:38] <ScottK> markey: I think the thing that was causing k3b to fail even when hal was installed is fixed in rc2
[15:38] <ScottK> If not, I suspect afiestas is the person to talk to.
[15:39] <afiestas> I'm not :p
[15:40] <apachelogger> ScottK: we should
[15:40] <apachelogger> also I have a bug about that somewhere
[15:41] <markey> ScottK: ah, cool
[15:41] <apachelogger> ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/379820
[15:41] <apachelogger> nice that it timed out
[15:41] <apachelogger> love it
[15:42] <markey> ScottK: is RC2 in backports now?
[15:42] <ScottK> No idea.  I've just been following Natty.
[15:42] <ScottK> It's uploaded there, but still building.
[15:42] <Riddell> ScottK: hmm, I'm not sure what the problem is for that ubuntu-qa person, the upgrade should be ABI compatible
[15:43] <Riddell> having a "log out" notifier wouldn't be a bad idea though
[15:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: desktop file foobar
[15:43] <Riddell> what's changed in the desktop file?
[15:44] <apachelogger> I dunno
[15:44] <apachelogger> at any rate a log out would solve the problem
[15:44] <apachelogger> could also be that an interface in kded changed and kate used the old one or somesuch
[15:44] <Riddell> yay, the maverick upgrade to 4.5.95 worked!
[15:44] <ScottK> apachelogger: All of which shouldn't happen in a point release.
[15:44] <apachelogger> without backtrace it is hard to tell what exactly went wrong
[15:46] <ScottK> I've got one lucid machine here still on 4.4.2.  I'll see if I can replicate it on upgrade over the weekend.
[15:46] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, kate shouldnt crash either ;)
[15:46]  * apachelogger pours himself a glass of baileys
[15:47] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/676663 still needs lucid verification
[15:47] <Mamarok> apachelogger: well, that will be hard, just decline :)
[15:47] <Mamarok> apachelogger: about Golem: WTF?
[15:48] <apachelogger> Mamarok: that is so difficult with his puppy eyes and snoring ;)
[15:50] <yuriy_work> FWIW: there is a really annoying scrolling bug in 4.6 beta on Maverick (using fglrx).  Only the top and bottom couple of lines seem to scroll in konsole and akregator
[15:52] <ScottK> Look slike a git snapshot of k3b might be worth trying.
[15:52] <ScottK> yuriy_work: We're on RC2 now.  Still a problem?
[15:53] <ScottK> apachelogger: Actually it doesn't.  Just mark it fixed released.  In lucid it got rolled in with the 4.4.5 update.
[15:53] <apachelogger> oh
[15:53] <apachelogger> ok
[15:53] <ScottK> Be sure to remove the verification-needed tag too
[15:54] <Riddell> blamo! for asdf in kdeaccessibility kdeadmin kdeartwork kdebase kdebase-runtime kdebase-workspace kdebindings kdeedu kdegames kdegraphics kde4libs kdemultimedia kdenetwork kdepimlibs kdeplasma-addons kdesdk kdetoys kdeutils kdewebdev oxygen-icons; do echo ${asdf}; copy-package.py -s maverick -p kubuntu-ninjas -b --to-suite=maverick --to-ppa=kubuntu-ppa --to-ppa-name=beta ${asdf} -y; done
[15:54] <Riddell> oh hmm, probably didn't want kdebindings in there
[15:54] <apachelogger> ScottK: it is already at verification-done anyway
[15:54] <ScottK> OK
[15:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: intersting variable name :P
[15:55] <ScottK> He favors that one
[15:55] <ScottK> Probably somehow tied to his use of emacs.
[15:55] <apachelogger> not for long, as we will remove the emacs along with the pyth0nr
[15:56] <apachelogger> muhahaha
[15:56] <Riddell> contrary to rumour emacs key bindings aren't four random keys :)
[15:56] <apachelogger> unless emacs gets rewritten in java
[15:56]  * Riddell rewrites apachelogger in lisp
[15:56] <apachelogger> Riddell:  only semi-random? :P
[15:56] <apachelogger> uhhh
[15:56] <apachelogger> common lisp plz
[15:56] <apachelogger> http://shawn.hamman.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/lisp-programmers.jpg
[15:57]  * apachelogger likes erlang :D
[15:58] <yuriy_work> ScottK: haven't updated yet. i figured the status in here meant it wasn't ready
[15:59] <apachelogger> so
[15:59] <apachelogger> since I am not very motivated to do anything ... anything anyone wants me to work on?
[15:59]  * apachelogger could probably do the vlc SRU to fix phonon-vlc crashes
[16:00] <apachelogger> Mamarok: http://www.golem.de/1101/80445.html
[16:00] <yuriy_work> actually i'm running RC1, and don't see RC2 in beta repo yet. and this is happening in konqueror as well, just not as consistently
[16:00] <apachelogger> "Wenn die entsprechende Magnet-URI im Webbrowser Konqueror aufgerufen wird, wird der Videostrom per Ktorrent-Dbus an das Audiobackend Phonon und das Videobackend Xine übertragen. "
[16:02] <ScottK> apachelogger: Would you be willing to chat with k3b upstream and see if they plan a bugfix release soon?  Looking at their git log it seems they've accumulated a fair number of bug fixes, including one or two changes that may relate to the hal transition.
[16:02] <Riddell> could you sort out my mortgage too please?
[16:03] <Riddell> oh and pack my bags for dallas, that would be handy
[16:03] <ScottK> Riddell: Are you planning on covering the release meeting or would you rather I did it so you can keep wrestling with packages?
[16:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oi! i have no sound
[16:03] <apachelogger> I rather chat with upstream :P
[16:03] <Riddell> ScottK: oh aye, thanks for reminding me.  I can do it
[16:03] <apachelogger> ScottK: OTOH k3b upstream is release lazy
[16:03] <apachelogger> one always has to force him into releaseing stuff :P
[16:03] <Riddell> yuriy_work: are you on maverick?
[16:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that is very forutnate
[16:04] <ScottK> apachelogger: There's a task for you then.
[16:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: means more work gets done
[16:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also, please get your bloggy blog aggregated on all the planets on planet earth and rant about bzr blocking neon and stuff
[16:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: my interwebz is all sorts of fail .... i finally got it working after a days work
[16:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: they fixed a mem bug 
[16:04] <shadeslayer> yofel: ^^
[16:05] <shadeslayer> from what i can remember
[16:05] <Mamarok> apachelogger: that jt guy at Golem is really an idiot. He basically translated from whilo's blog: http://whilos.blogsite.org/?p=157 and what he didn't understand he just made up, how stupid is that!
[16:05] <Mamarok> and it is always him, they should fire that idiot
[16:05] <apachelogger> that is golem right there
[16:05] <apachelogger> maybe I should write a letter to the BBC
[16:05] <yuriy_work> Riddell: yes
[16:06] <Riddell> yuriy_work: RC 2 is about to appear in the beta PPA, are you able to test?
[16:06] <yuriy_work> Riddell: yeah
[16:07]  * shadeslayer is still operating @ 20KBps
[16:07] <shadeslayer> flipping ISP madness
[16:07] <shadeslayer> stuff is down all over New Delhi ... 
[16:08] <apachelogger> ScottK: did I not fix the hal issues?
[16:08] <shadeslayer> took me a day to just upgrade to RC2!!! 
[16:08]  * apachelogger seems to remember backporting something from upstream
[16:08] <shadeslayer> also
[16:08] <shadeslayer> blogging
[16:08] <ScottK> apachelogger: No idea, but I thought that's what markey was whining about.
[16:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that is what you get for living on the north pole
[16:08] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think he's on the east pole.
[16:08] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[16:08] <apachelogger> east pole then
[16:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: markey is always whining about smth :P
[16:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: more likely is that someone did not backport my k3b fix
[16:09] <apachelogger> as I only applied it in natty
[16:09] <shadeslayer> apparently theyre upgrading infrastructure and im supposed to be getting a bandwidth upgrade
[16:09] <Riddell> he was moaning that someone put a picture of him on facebook earlier
[16:09] <ScottK> Probably.
[16:09] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:09] <apachelogger> the strangest thing!
[16:09] <apachelogger> someone apparently hacked my facebook account
[16:09] <apachelogger> and put pictures of markey online
[16:09] <apachelogger> very weird
[16:09] <Riddell> the cads
[16:10] <apachelogger> kubotu: google cads
[16:10] <kubotu> Results for cads: 1. CADS: Help for Skiers Knees: http://www.cads.com/ | 2. Center for Advanced Defense Studies | Innovation for Peace: http://www.c4ads.org/ | 3. Cad | Define Cad at Dictionary.com: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cad
[16:10] <Riddell> nope, none of them
[16:10] <apachelogger> stupid google
[16:10] <Riddell> kubotu: google cad
[16:10] <kubotu> Results for cad: 1. Ctrl-Alt-Del Comic: http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/ | 2. Computer-aided design - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer-aided_design | 3. Atlanta CAD Services, Inc. Training in Norcross, Georgia, United ...: http://www.training-classes.com/providers/00/07/724_atlanta_cad_services_inc_.php
[16:10] <Riddell> nope, none of them, google isn't posh and english enough
[16:11] <apachelogger> ^^
[16:11] <shadeslayer> its like ive gone back to the era of dialup
[16:11] <shadeslayer> :S
[16:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you had faster webs at the east pole?
[16:11] <shadeslayer> yes
[16:12] <apachelogger> strange enough
[16:12] <shadeslayer> and then my ISP went : "oh lets upgrade and screw everyone else"
[16:12] <shadeslayer> so here i am
[16:12] <shadeslayer> getting screwed by Airtel
[16:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: go do the blogging, blogging is esay on the bandwith
[16:12] <apachelogger> well
[16:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah .... blogilo is downloading at 10KBps
[16:12] <shadeslayer> and someone
[16:12] <apachelogger> intarwebs over air is bound to be slower than over cable
[16:12] <shadeslayer> plz2fix kdm
[16:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: not when your operating on N band WiFi
[16:13] <apachelogger> of course you at the east pole have all sorts of deserts I suppose
[16:13] <shadeslayer> 150Mbps
[16:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah
[16:13] <apachelogger> so
[16:13] <apachelogger> you have only local intarwebs?
[16:13] <shadeslayer> lawl ^^
[16:14] <shadeslayer> yeah
[16:14] <shadeslayer> pretty much ... 
[16:14] <apachelogger> as surely you still need cablez to get to the rest of the worlds pr0n
[16:14] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, I am resonable confident that k3b in natty does not exhibit those hal problems
[16:14] <shadeslayer> see even kronos is timing out :P
[16:14] <apachelogger> if only someone could backport it
[16:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I do not
[16:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you do not what? :P
[16:14] <apachelogger> people here time out and change nicks and stuff so often that I turned that off
[16:15]  * Trouble gives apachelogger a hug
[16:15] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:15]  * apachelogger feels troubled now
[16:15] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:20] <markey> wasn't it a bit risky to do the whole HAL nuking in Maverick?
[16:20] <shadeslayer> no HAL in maverick? 0_o
[16:21] <Riddell> markey: well if you have hal installed then it's another issue, something with KDE Platform 4.6 and K3b interaction
[16:22] <markey> ok
[16:22] <Riddell> there's nothing that removes hal in maverick for people
[16:22] <markey> was just wondering, because "upower" was missing here, and half of my ThinkPad stopped working...
[16:22] <markey> no power management, no sound...
[16:22] <Riddell> markey: yeah I fixed that, added it as a dependency now
[16:22] <markey> ah cool
[16:22] <markey> nice
[16:22] <shadeslayer> no sound here either :(
[16:22] <markey> shadeslayer: I know the fix
[16:22] <Riddell> your feedback is made use of :)
[16:23] <shadeslayer> شصیشیسیششسبهشتسهبشد
[16:23] <shadeslayer> lol
[16:23] <markey> shadeslayer: delete all of the KMix config files
[16:23] <shadeslayer> i pressed caps
[16:23] <shadeslayer> and
[16:23] <markey> and restart KDE
[16:23] <markey> then it works again
[16:23] <Riddell> ScottK: do I remember right you were asking mvo to get the distupgrade tool to remove hal?
[16:23] <shadeslayer> that comes on 0_o
[16:23] <shadeslayer> markey: whcih files?
[16:23] <ScottK> Riddell: IIRC yes.
[16:23] <Riddell> ScottK: any response?
[16:24] <shadeslayer> oh my 
[16:24] <markey> shadeslayer: rm -rf $HOME/.kde/share/apps/kmix rm $HOME/.kde/share/config/kmixrc
[16:24] <Riddell> ScottK: on the seeds, it seems best to make a new seed collection for kubuntu-mobile
[16:24] <shadeslayer> turning on caps also turns on screen log
[16:24] <shadeslayer> magic
[16:24] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.
[16:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Kubuntu is full of magic
[16:24] <shadeslayer> markey: thanks...
[16:24] <shadeslayer> now to reboot
[16:25] <ScottK> shadeslayer: All you need to do is restart your KDE session.  Reboot isn't needed.
[16:28] <Riddell> yuriy_work: RC 2 in beta now, go go testing!
[16:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: magic?
[16:28] <apachelogger> where>
[16:28] <apachelogger> ?
[16:28] <shadeslayer> nothing helped
[16:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: pressing caps turns on my scroll lock
[16:29] <shadeslayer> KDM is broken
[16:29] <shadeslayer> well
[16:29] <shadeslayer> make that : KDM is *still* broken
[16:29] <shadeslayer> http://i.imgur.com/N1kNn.png <<
[16:29] <apachelogger> do not press caps
[16:30] <shadeslayer> stuff keeps crashing ^_^
[16:30] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:30] <shadeslayer> OH ..
[16:30] <apachelogger> face it
[16:30] <apachelogger> your system is fckd
[16:30]  * apachelogger ponders upgrading to natty
[16:30] <shadeslayer> there is a bug reported against the dpkg for the caps lock key issue i think
[16:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dont... im going back to maverick
[16:31] <shadeslayer> just need to zsync 10.10
[16:31] <apachelogger> clearly it needs work then :P
[16:31] <shadeslayer> yep
[16:31]  * apachelogger finds it odd that a developer downgrades instead of fixing things :P
[16:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i could ... but i haz no bandwidth to fix this 
[16:31] <shadeslayer> for eg
[16:32] <apachelogger> well
[16:32] <apachelogger> if you did not live at the east pole...
[16:32] <shadeslayer> in order to fix KDM bug i think i have to install kdebase-workspace-wallpapers
[16:32] <shadeslayer> which is 60MB ... on a 15-20 KBps connection :P
[16:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: actually that should be fixed in the latest version
[16:32] <Riddell> I moved the ethais kdm theme back to the kdm package
[16:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: completely updated system
[16:32] <Riddell> you could also just change the setting to horos
[16:32] <markey> apachelogger: so, how would you like to die? I could do the axe murdering thing, or come when you sleep, and inject some poison
[16:32] <shadeslayer> from main archives
[16:32] <markey> your choice :D
[16:32] <shadeslayer> :O
[16:32] <shadeslayer> markey: why are you killing apachelogger? 
[16:33] <apachelogger> markey: latter
[16:33] <markey> yes.
[16:33] <apachelogger> former makes a mess
[16:33] <markey> ok
[16:33] <markey> apachelogger: when is it convenient for you? could come tomorrow night
[16:33] <shadeslayer> markey: wait for me too 
[16:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: someone hacked my facebook and uploaded nakkid pix of markey
[16:33] <Riddell> inject some poison method means you can't donate your organs, that's very selfish
[16:33] <shadeslayer> oic
[16:33] <apachelogger> markey: I would prefer dying in my own bed
[16:33] <markey> shadeslayer: alright, we can put photos of dead apachelogger on Facebook then
[16:33] <shadeslayer> markey: well ... im killing him because my phonon gstreamer thingy went kaput
[16:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, if markey chops my liver in 4 parts that is not gonna help either
[16:34] <markey> and write: "Julias Assange is dead. Here is the proof!"
[16:34] <shadeslayer> lol
[16:34] <markey> shadeslayer: yep, another good reason
[16:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: something for you : http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/06/speakal-doctor-who-tardis-speaker-prototype-hands-on/
[16:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what?
[16:34] <apachelogger> pgst kaput?
[16:34] <apachelogger> whut?
[16:34] <shadeslayer> yes
[16:34] <apachelogger> dont mess with me
[16:34] <shadeslayer> no sound
[16:34] <apachelogger> wah?
[16:34] <shadeslayer> Y U STEAL MY SOUND
[16:34] <apachelogger> more like your pulseaudio is dead
[16:34] <markey> args, Amarok collection is totally borked. I'm playing Genesis, but they seem to have a female singer now
[16:35] <markey> sounds a lot like Bjork
[16:35] <shadeslayer> :O
[16:35] <shadeslayer> cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[16:35] <shadeslayer> wth
[16:35] <shadeslayer> wth
[16:35] <markey> shadeslayer: fail
[16:35] <apachelogger> markey: happens to me a lot
[16:35] <apachelogger> did not quit emanage to pinpoint the cause though
[16:35] <markey> apachelogger: that's because of the LSD that you smoke
[16:36] <apachelogger> I think for me it is related to external disk loosing connection while amarok is doing a scan
[16:36] <apachelogger> markey: leave my addictions out of this
[16:36] <markey> nah, what I have here is a recent regression, Ralf borked something last night
[16:36] <shadeslayer> lol
[16:36] <markey> I blame the Ralf "Scanner Man" Engels. from the evil kingdom of Nokia
[16:36] <shadeslayer> markey: why did you let apachelogger click a photo of you when you were sleeping? :P
[16:36] <markey> he makes our kode kaput!
[16:37] <markey> shadeslayer: erm. I did not do that
[16:37] <markey> it was my very nice GF
[16:37]  * markey strangles Mamarok
[16:37] <shadeslayer> oic
[16:37] <apachelogger> I keep telling you
[16:37] <apachelogger> neither Mamarok nor I had anything to do with this
[16:37] <apachelogger> maybe it was aaron
[16:37] <apachelogger> someone must have entered the house while you were sleeping
[16:37] <apachelogger> took the picture
[16:37] <markey> Aarron! that bastard! I always suspected that he comes here at night...
[16:37] <apachelogger> then hacked my faceookz and uploaded it
[16:38] <shadeslayer> or
[16:38] <ScottK> Probably that's the reason for his new code update service
[16:38] <shadeslayer> synchrotron!! :D
[16:39] <Mamarok> ScottK: you mean the one he didn't invent himself?
[16:39] <shadeslayer> the synchrotron mail on plasma devel is awesome
[16:39] <ScottK> Mamarok: Yes.  That one.
[16:39] <yuriy_work> RC2 installed without complaints
[16:39] <apachelogger> Mamarok: he did not?
[16:39] <apachelogger> did he steal it from nokia?
[16:40] <markey> apachelogger: see priv msg
[16:40] <markey> nakkid photos 
[16:40] <Mamarok> apachelogger: well, there are a few ideas he got from others, like GHNS and such
[16:40] <markey> Mamarok: like, all of them?
[16:40] <markey> he put them in the tumbler
[16:40] <markey> and pressed Play
[16:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: also i need to install Vista for some school stuff ... so need to repartition etc
[16:40] <markey> but anyway, it's good that this finally comes to reality
[16:40] <Mamarok> amongst those others are Amarok developers Ian and Mark
[16:40] <markey> yep
[16:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: vbox?
[16:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: tired and failed ....
[16:41] <shadeslayer> *tried
[16:41] <apachelogger> markey: there were no nakkid pix
[16:41] <apachelogger> !!!
[16:41] <apachelogger> liar
[16:41] <shadeslayer> also .... steam! :P
[16:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: wah?
[16:42] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/1964 << systemsettings crash :P
[16:42] <shadeslayer> my install is completely broken
[16:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i can haz customSendRequest in KIO_HTTP?
[16:44] <shadeslayer> oh wait ... didnt check with new webkit 
[16:44] <yuriy_work> hey, the upgrade fixed GTK apps being unthemed :)
[16:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: wah?
[16:46] <yuriy_work> RC2 seems to be working great so far :) i'll shout if i see the scrolling bug again
[16:46] <apachelogger> markey: did you see moby's sunset pix from today on facebook?
[16:47] <apachelogger> jolly nice 
[16:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do you know how one can delete pix on facebook?: I cannot find the button to remove markey's pic
[16:48] <ScottK> apachelogger: It's not present on the mobile web interface if that's what you're using.  You have to use the full site.
[16:48] <apachelogger> oh noes
[16:48] <apachelogger> I cannot use the full site
[16:48] <apachelogger> it does not work 
[16:48] <apachelogger> I think my ISP is doing something nasty to it
[16:49] <apachelogger> too bad, cant remove the picture then ...
[16:49] <ScottK> apachelogger: You could PM markey your facebook password and let him do it.
[16:49] <markey> apachelogger: we should really have a Skype session this night. only this time, you fall asleep
[16:49] <markey> on the keyboard
[16:49] <markey> and you set up a web cam
[16:50] <apachelogger> ScottK: it is bad enough that aaron got my password
[16:50] <apachelogger> markey: no
[16:50] <markey> oh yes!
[16:50] <apachelogger> I am going to consum vast amounts of sleeping medication tonight
[16:50] <apachelogger> and fix my sleep schedule
[16:50] <markey> I thought you do that every night
[16:50] <apachelogger> it is all messed up
[16:50] <apachelogger> markey: no
[16:51] <ScottK> markey: Only if alcohol is considered "sleeping medication"
[16:51] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ping
[16:51] <Nightrose> apachelogger: really quick
[16:51] <Nightrose> need to run
[16:52] <apachelogger> Nightrose: where does one put debug guide how to sort of things?
[16:52] <apachelogger> techbase or community?
[16:52] <apachelogger> techbase I presume
[16:52] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[16:52] <_Groo_> apachelogger: koffice 2.3.0 is mostly done and tested, can i send the debian and diff to you by mail? i can only upload stuff this weekend
[16:52] <Nightrose> yea probably techbase
[16:52] <apachelogger> Nightrose: in particular a page on how to sqeeze more debug output out of phonon
[16:52] <apachelogger> Nightrose: kthx :)
[16:53] <apachelogger> _Groo_: no, I am doing upstream stuff right now
[16:53] <apachelogger> Mamarok: pingy
[16:53] <_Groo_> apachelogger: can anyone get this task? or should i try do it myself this weekend? will any of you be around to assist me?
[16:54] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i also plan to help with some rc2 packages
[16:54]  * apachelogger is always around
[16:54]  * apachelogger is also always drunk
[16:54]  * apachelogger consequently almost never is able to assist with anything
[16:54] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i know but i need you to be in a semi conscient state so you can review my work :D
[16:54] <apachelogger> _Groo_: rc2 ought to be done I hear, except for some 10.10 fixes
[16:55] <_Groo_> apachelogger: yeah im seeing the wiki now? is it in ninjas only? i can update and test the packages
[16:55] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[16:55] <apachelogger> probably ninjas
[16:56] <_Groo_> apachelogger: why the shrug? :P
[16:56] <apachelogger> because I dunno
[16:57]  * apachelogger is currently as much involved with kubuntu development as mark the dictator himself
[16:57] <_Groo_> apachelogger: doing phonon work?
[16:57] <apachelogger> yus
[16:57] <apachelogger> and working on my actoring 
[16:57] <_Groo_> Nightrose: oh Nightrose btw i have done a recipe some time ago, and amarok is now built everyday, if thats interests yiou guys and gals :D
[16:58] <_Groo_> apachelogger: you are not try  to restart your singing career are you?
[16:58] <_Groo_> trying*
[16:58] <apachelogger> dude
[16:58] <apachelogger> these days you need to be an alround entertaininer
[16:58] <apachelogger> singing, acting, dancing, all at once
[16:59] <apachelogger> also you need to be blazing hot and stuff
[16:59] <_Groo_> apachelogger: yeah why did you go with open source in the first place... now you need to entertain for food!
[16:59] <apachelogger> I dunno
[16:59] <apachelogger> foolish me
[16:59] <_Groo_> apachelogger: my brain monkey exporting is going well, i dont know where to spend money anymore :D
[17:00] <_Groo_> apachelogger: its sustainable too... i just leave some pregnant monkeys till they "hatch" before i kill them... leave some to reproduce, repeat, profit
[17:01] <_Groo_> apachelogger: and theres a special market for baby monkey brains too... like some gourmet specials
[17:02] <kronos> shadeslayer: hmmm.... my internet connection sucks big time..
[17:02] <apachelogger> kronos: shadeslayers too
[17:02] <_Groo_> Nightrose: is amarok able to recognize phonon-gst analyzer now? or still in the works?
[17:02] <apachelogger> supposedly I now need to do akunambol myself
[17:02] <apachelogger> then again ruphy is MIA anyway so cannot nag me ^^
[17:04] <Riddell> _Groo_: koffice 2.3.0 is in backports but needs a build-dep fix to make it compile
[17:04] <_Groo_> Riddell: well mine is done and tested
[17:04] <kronos> apachelogger: released liblikeback ??
[17:04] <_Groo_> Riddell: also did it for maverick, i can send you the debian and diff files if you want
[17:04] <Riddell> _Groo_: ok
[17:05] <_Groo_> Riddell: unfortunatelly im at work and i cant upload it to launchpad myself
[17:05] <_Groo_> Riddell: if the lp guys did a web upload it would make me a happy camper
[17:06] <apachelogger> kronos: sort of 
[17:06] <apachelogger> I habe a tarball for it
[17:12] <ScottK> _Groo_: Debian has also done 2.3.0.
[17:12] <Riddell> groovy, RC 2 installs and runs from beta PPA
[17:12] <Riddell> runs very slowly, but that's remote X sessions for you
[17:12] <Riddell> time to announce
[17:14] <_Groo_> Riddell: who do you trust, apachelogger hubber trainned unoficial minions (me) or the debian devels?
[17:16] <Riddell> umm, are you testing my loyalties? :)
[17:16] <_Groo_> Riddell: it wasnt really a question :P
[17:16] <Riddell> last time I looked we had a delta between us and debian anyway, it's not a sync
[17:16] <_Groo_> Riddell: let me put it this way.. its harder to yell at them...
[17:17] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.6-rc-2
[17:18] <Mamarok> apachelogger: pong
[17:18] <_Groo_> Riddell: k, testing it, last one wasnt that smooth to begin with :P
[17:18] <Riddell> _Groo_: you're testing RC 2 on maverick?
[17:19] <_Groo_> Riddell: yep
[17:19] <Riddell> great, do a reboot after it's installed so you get KDM restarted and make sure it's happy
[17:19] <Riddell> now, 4.5.5, what's the crack?
[17:19] <Riddell> stalcup?
[17:20] <_Groo_> Riddell: the problem last time was with lack of kdenetworks, and akonadi being too old, since im testing latest kmail2 also
[17:20] <Mamarok> Riddell: I guess it should not try to remove 20 packages, right? http://pastebin.com/HYdQdLPe
[17:21] <Riddell> _Groo_: kdenetwork is updated now
[17:21] <Riddell> Mamarok: ideally not...
[17:21] <_Groo_> Riddell: yeah everything appears to be ok now, im upgrading
[17:22] <_Groo_> Riddell: btw i do nightly builds of ktorrent 1.1.x the next version, but i named the libktorrent as 1, should i bump it to three? since im seeing libtorrent 1.0.3 is called libktorrent2
[17:22] <Riddell> Mamarok: sigh, what happens if you just install kdebase-workspace-bin?
[17:23] <Riddell> _Groo_: if the ABI has changed it should get a package version number change yes
[17:23] <Mamarok> Riddell: "The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[17:23] <Mamarok>  kdebase-workspace-bin : Depends: plasma-desktop (= 4:4.5.95-0ubuntu1~maverick~ppa4) but it is not going to be installed or
[17:23] <Mamarok>                                   plasma-netbook (= 4:4.5.95-0ubuntu1~maverick~ppa4) but it is not going to be installed
[17:23] <Mamarok> E: Broken packages
[17:24] <_Groo_> Riddell: but wont it brake rc2? since kget compiles with it i believe
[17:25] <_Groo_> Riddell: anyway ill make some tests and see how it goes
[17:25] <apachelogger> Mamarok: where do you want me to put phonon debug stuff on techbase
[17:25] <apachelogger> urlwise
[17:25] <Riddell> Mamarok: i386 and amd64?
[17:25] <ScottK> amd64 I'd guess
[17:29] <Mamarok> apachelogger: moment
[17:30] <Mamarok> apachelogger: somewhere here I would say: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Architecture/KDE4/Phonon
[17:31] <Mamarok> Riddell: yes, always amd64
[17:31] <Mamarok> as usual *sigh*
[17:36]  * Riddell fires up an amd64 ec2 machine
[17:37] <apachelogger> Mamarok: not some page dedidcated to debugging?
[17:38] <apachelogger> Mamarok: I was thinking something within the realm of http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Debugging
[17:38] <apachelogger> so it can be easily found
[17:40] <Riddell> Mamarok: all going smooth on the test machine
[17:41] <Riddell> Mamarok: what does  apt-get install plasma-desktop  give you?
[17:48] <Mamarok> apachelogger: usually the Tutorials are general articles, but you can link to specific project pages from there
[17:48] <Mamarok> Riddell: sorry, was afk
[17:49] <Mamarok> plasma-desktop : Depends: plasma-widgets-workspace (= 4:4.5.95-0ubuntu1~maverick~ppa4) but it is not going to be installed
[17:49] <Mamarok> E: Broken packages
[17:49] <apachelogger> Mamarok: ok
[17:52] <Mamarok> Riddell: which in turn depends on plasma-dataengines-workspace, which in turn depends on libkcalcore4 and libkcalutils4 where 4.4.5.95 is requested but 4.4.5.90 is installed
[17:53] <Riddell> Mamarok: apt-cache policy libkcalcore4  ?
[17:54] <Mamarok> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/FdKSwk8d
[17:54] <Riddell> Mamarok: apt-get update; apt-cache policy libkcalcore4  ?
[17:55] <Mamarok> ah, now it changed to candidate 4.4.5.95
[17:55] <Riddell> Mamarok: phew, how's the dist-upgrade now then?
[17:56] <Mamarok> works fine now, I just started it
[17:56] <Mamarok> seems it was a tad late to come in
[17:56] <Riddell> Mamarok: anything removed?
[18:00] <Mamarok> nope
[18:01] <Riddell> lovely
[18:05] <yofel> re
[18:05] <yofel> Riddell: I looked at 4.5.5 before, updates fine - except that stalcup forgot to upload kdeutils
[18:07]  * droidslayer clicks the "Install Now" Button of doom
[18:08] <yofel> droidslayer: what was that about bzr btw.?
[18:08] <droidslayer> yofel: I currently have no OS
[18:08] <droidslayer> :-P
[18:09] <yofel> poor droidslayer ^^
[18:10] <Riddell> yofel: and lots of the packages have the wrong version numbers
[18:10] <Riddell> yofel: kdeadmin is very wrong
[18:10] <droidslayer> yofel: natty got nasty.. stuff was not working.. needed to repartition... etc so nuked everything
[18:10] <yofel> Riddell: not much todo there - you uploaded 4.5.85 to updates once remember?
[18:11] <Riddell> yofel: I did?  nothing in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa/+packages?start=75&batch=75
[18:11] <Riddell> oh hi sheytan 
[18:12] <Riddell> infact most of 4.5.4 seems to be missing from kubuntu-ppa/ppa
[18:12] <yofel> stalcup uploaded several 4.5.4 packages to ppa by mistake yesterday and removed them later..
[18:12] <yofel> err. 4.5.5
[18:12] <Riddell> ah, that'll be why
[18:12] <sheytan> Riddell hey :)
[18:13] <Quintasan> Riddell: Is Nepomuk still crashing for you?
[18:13] <Riddell> sheytan: do you still have the html of the cdimage page?
[18:13] <Riddell> Quintasan: yes
[18:13] <Quintasan> :/
[18:13] <droidslayer> Why is this stuck on 0 %
[18:13] <sheytan> Riddell let me take a look
[18:14] <Quintasan> FU Nepomuk
[18:15] <ulysses> Quintasan: noooo, FU bcmwl
[18:15] <droidslayer> Hehehe 
[18:15] <Riddell> yofel: hmm, messy, I'm not sure what to do
[18:15] <Quintasan> wth is bcmwl?
[18:15] <Quintasan> ulysses: ^
[18:15] <ulysses> Broadcom wireless driver:\
[18:15] <Quintasan> oh
[18:15] <_Groo_> ulysses: works fine here (tm)
[18:16] <ulysses> latest upgrade is broken, it removed the old module but can't build the new one...
[18:16] <ScottK> ulysses: Works great for me too.
[18:16] <sheytan> Riddell yes, give me your email :)
[18:16] <Riddell> yofel: I'm tempted to upload everything to staging with 4:4.5.5-0ubuntu1ppa1 (except keep admin with it's messy number)
[18:16] <_Groo_> but im not using 2.6.37
[18:16] <Riddell> sheytan: jriddell@ubuntu.com
[18:16] <ScottK> shadeslayer: New kdepim 4.6 beta.
[18:16] <yofel> Riddell: give me a sec, I'm searching my apt history for the old admin versions...
[18:16] <Riddell> will these upstream releases never end?!
[18:17] <yofel> Riddell: there, from apt history: ksystemlog:amd64 (4.5.4-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1, 4.5.85really4.5.4-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa2)
[18:17] <ScottK> Riddell: Please 0ubuntu1~ppa1 so 0ubuntu1 can go to -updates
[18:17] <sheytan> Riddell out. let me know when it be alive
[18:17] <Riddell> ScottK: too late for that
[18:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: want me to throw in phonon and 4 backends? :P
[18:17] <ulysses> _Groo_: I use 2.6.37:(
[18:17] <ScottK> Riddell: Why?
[18:17]  * apachelogger could also release liblikeback
[18:18] <Riddell> ScottK: some of it already got uploaded with 4:4.5.5-0ubuntu1
[18:18] <ScottK> Oh.
[18:18] <apachelogger> we just concluded that the new phonongst is rock stable
[18:18] <kronos> apachelogger: i did a git snapshot for liblikeback back then .. its in my ppa.. if it helps ..
[18:18] <apachelogger> not even rapid tack switching in amarok brings it down
[18:18] <ScottK> Hmm.
[18:18] <_Groo_> apachelogger: like phonon vlc was/is rock stable?
[18:18] <apachelogger> and that brings almost all backends to their knees ^^
[18:18] <_Groo_> apachelogger: who are we? ;)
[18:18] <apachelogger> the phononos
[18:18] <apachelogger> uh
[18:19] <apachelogger> I like that
[18:19] <yofel> Riddell: found it now https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=admin&field.status_filter=superseded&field.series_filter=maverick
[18:19] <Riddell> ScottK: but since 4.5.5 isn't going near natty we can just bump the number again if it goes into maverick-updates, so 4:4.5.5-0ubuntu1ppa1 in the PPAs and 4:4.5.5-0ubuntu2 in maverick-updates
[18:19] <_Groo_> apachelogger: well amarok from yesterday git still deosnt know shit about gst analyzer ;)
[18:19] <apachelogger> that is not my fault
[18:19] <apachelogger> also
[18:19] <_Groo_> apachelogger: and vlc still thinks video is a luxury and that what you really need is a pretty equalizer
[18:19] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.
[18:19] <_Groo_> apachelogger: yeah i know XD
[18:19] <apachelogger> amarok does so dirty shit to phonon I find it rather better that it does not use the eq
[18:20] <apachelogger> surely it would find a way to break it
[18:20] <Riddell> yofel: right you are, I did screw up :(
[18:20] <apachelogger> _Groo_: that is dragon really
[18:20] <_Groo_> apachelogger: break it is the nature way of saying your code needs more testing and hammering
[18:20] <apachelogger> we know why though :P
[18:20] <apachelogger> also jim beam said he will look into it
[18:20] <_Groo_> apachelogger: well it worked before last patch that changed equalizer behaviour
[18:20] <apachelogger> yes
[18:21] <_Groo_> apachelogger: and dont get me started with pulseaudio 
[18:21]  * _Groo_ ducks
[18:21] <apachelogger> the audiodataoutput impl block video or somesuch
[18:21] <apachelogger> sandsmark made it :P
[18:22] <_Groo_> apachelogger: well its works fine, only phonon crashes on exit ;)
[18:22] <_Groo_> apachelogger: and im not gonna be eviscerated again in PA chat channel
[18:23] <_Groo_> apachelogger: do you have the correct patches? i could apply them to 0.9.22 and see if that solves it
[18:23] <apachelogger> now where did I upload
[18:24] <apachelogger> _Groo_: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/58394201/0509-x11-Partially-convert-to-XCB.patch and http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/0101-pulse-Disable-xlib-in-pulse.-libpulse-now-uses-xcb-o.patch
[18:24] <apachelogger> I have a feeling that former should be in our package already considering the patch is from may
[18:24] <_Groo_> apachelogger: am i gonna regret this?
[18:26] <_Groo_> apachelogger: k, im gonna apply them against 0.9.22 stable
[18:26] <yofel> _Groo_: you had phonon backend daily builds right?
[18:26] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah, but my last git pull is from 26 dec... gst is from yesterday
[18:27] <sheytan> Riddell you were disscusing with ofirk the KDE server case for our new kubuntu web page, right?
[18:27] <apachelogger> _Groo_: the latter is for vlc
[18:27] <_Groo_> yofel: i did packages for phonon, gst,xine,mplayer,vlc
[18:27] <yofel> _Groo_: can you give me the ppa? I want to test gst
[18:27] <_Groo_> yofel: its local
[18:27] <_Groo_> yofel: i didnt upload to my ppa yet
[18:28] <_Groo_> yofel: apachelogger was telling me about this this week, that i need to spread the love
[18:28] <yofel> ah, ping me if you have something shareable :)
[18:28] <_Groo_> yofel: i have, but only tomorrow, ill make a new ppa branch and upload there
[18:28] <yofel> sure, thanks
[18:28] <_Groo_> yofel: after we can start to see if i can get some recipes, so we have daily phono destruction derby
[18:29] <yofel> :D
[18:29] <Riddell> sheytan: yes, I had some ideas to automate the updates to the server so we don't have to ask sysadmins to do it
[18:29] <_Groo_> yofel: i didnt upload it yet cause i cant upload from work (proxy), and the LP gods dont want to add web upload :P
[18:29] <Riddell> sheytan: I want to ask the sysadmins at the meeting I'm going to next week
[18:29] <sheytan> Riddell, ok, nice :)
[18:30] <yofel> _Groo_: get yourself a server and upload over ssh :P (or does that stop at the proxy too?
[18:30] <_Groo_> yofel: stop at the proxy
[18:31] <yofel> :S
[18:31] <_Groo_> yofel: i kinda "workaround" company policies... and kinda run my own proxy to burlate NTLM 
[18:31] <_Groo_> yofel: so i can do http/s but no ssh/ftp
[18:32] <_Groo_> Riddell: did my koffice packages where usefull?
[18:32] <_Groo_> Riddell: where my koffice packages useful? best enlighs
[18:32] <_Groo_> english ahhhhhhhhhh
[18:32] <droidslayer> yofel: ssh is disabled at my uni as well... only http traffic :p
[18:32] <_Groo_> die keyboard die
[18:33]  * droidslayer gives _Groo_ a shotgun
[18:33] <ScottK> _Groo_: Isn't that what coffee is for (killing keyboards)?
[18:33] <_Groo_> i could workaround even more, but ill prolly light the datacenter lights if i do even more "workarounds"
[18:33] <_Groo_> ScottK: mine doesnt drown anymore.. the little fella actually LIKES coffee
[18:33] <droidslayer> Hahaha :-P
[18:33] <ScottK> _Groo_: Set up a remote system running sshd on port 80.
[18:33] <Riddell> _Groo_: yes it will be, doing 4.5.5 first, then koffice
[18:34] <_Groo_> ScottK: cant... firewall guys already eat my liver once for doing that
[18:34] <_Groo_> Riddell: k
[18:34] <_Groo_> ScottK: my original workaound was ssh as proxy via port 80
[18:34] <_Groo_> ScottK: 2 days later i had a call from our firewall guys
[18:35] <ScottK> I suppose you'd get caught on 53 as well.
[18:35] <_Groo_> ScottK: they said they was seeing strange behaviour... i was "astonished" and promised to look at it (im from it security LOL ;))
[18:35] <_Groo_> ScottK: its QOS monitored.. i cant do any protocols or it will warn them :P
[18:35] <droidslayer> _Groo_: your in our intrawebz eh :-P
[18:35] <ulysses> KDE people still live in 2010, they say in the announcement that KDE 4.5.5 released on 7th January, 2010
[18:36] <droidslayer> Lol
[18:36] <_Groo_> ulysses: prove them wrong ;)
[18:36] <_Groo_> droidslayer: soemthing like that ;)
[18:37] <_Groo_> so what i do now is that i run a small vm with smoothwall, and redirect my trafic locally to myself, and then pass it to NTLM..
[18:37] <_Groo_> NTLM is so shitty that is filter cant distinguish my trafic from normal one but cant filter it either, so i have acess to the entire internet...
[18:41] <_Groo_> gonna restart X wioth new kde, brb
[18:43]  * Riddell holds breath
[18:44] <Quintasan> yofel: we're in shit until we get new dh_python3 sync'd from Debian
[18:44] <yofel> Quintasan: how's the state on that?
[18:45] <Quintasan> Not sure
[18:47] <apachelogger> yofel: considering you do neon you should have access to phonon nightlies, no?
[18:48] <yofel> apachelogger: so far only phonon main, I forgot you took out the backends...
[18:48] <Quintasan> oh god
[18:48] <Quintasan> I forgot about it too
[18:49]  * yofel fights keyboard-configuration in the meanwhile
[18:49] <yofel> why it thinks settings United States and Afghanistan as preferred layouts for my German keyboard is a mystery for me
[18:49] <Quintasan> Riddell: ping
[18:49] <Riddell> hi Quintasan 
[18:49] <Quintasan> Riddell: Can you import http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/python3-defaults.html ?
[18:50] <Riddell> _Groo_: all good or crash and burn?
[18:50] <_Groo_> Riddell: upgrade to rc2 worked fine
[18:50] <Riddell> awooga!
[18:50] <_Groo_> didnt explode so far
[18:50] <_Groo_> i didnt test kmail2 yet, but "normal" kde, plasma, etc is working fine
[18:50] <_Groo_> akonadi is working aok too
[18:51] <_Groo_> btw PLS PLS PLS FOR THE USERS SAKE, disable filewatched by default in the desktop file!! its not ready for end use, PLS PLS PLS
[18:51] <yofel> if you mean nepomukfilewatch then +1
[18:51] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah thats the one, i always disable it
[18:52] <yofel> I can't enable nepomuk on my notebook thanks to that
[18:52] <Riddell> Quintasan: can you file a sync bug?  the sync script needs it
[18:52] <yofel> takes almost all my HDD I/O for almost half an hour after login :S
[18:52] <_Groo_> yofel: until trueg releases a funcional one with applet control and powerdevil integration it cant be used safely
[18:52] <Riddell> ScottK: am I ok to sync that python3-defaults?
[18:52] <_Groo_> yofel: same... but mine is hours, since i have a 500GB home
[18:52] <Quintasan> Riddell: bug #699974
[18:52] <_Groo_> yofel: he was suposed to only index folders from the nepomuk config, but it doesnt work that way
[18:53] <_Groo_> yofel: the way its implements he WATCHES those folders but he looks for changes in the entire TREE!!!!!
[18:53] <_Groo_> so if i have a folder like /home/groo/pdf to watch, hes going to index the entire /home/groo AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[18:53] <Riddell> Quintasan: unstable should read experimental there presumably?
[18:54] <Quintasan> Riddell: just changed it
[18:54] <yofel> yeah, that's what I assumed too - not good if you have a kernel and kde trunk checkout in $HOME/src :S
[18:54] <Quintasan> lol
[18:54] <Quintasan> Well, Nepomuk still crashes here
[18:55] <_Groo_> yofel: i have all my packages in /home/groo/dev.. amarok, kde, etc etc...
[18:55] <_Groo_> Quintasan: did you clean .kde/share/apps/nepomuk? it has problems with locks sometimes
[18:55] <yofel> well, I've got more too, but those are the ones that probably make up half of the file count ^^
[18:55] <_Groo_> Quintasan: if you run nepomukstorage by hand, what does it say?
[18:56] <yofel> ok, keyboard settings fixed \o/
[18:56] <Riddell> Quintasan: python3-defaults current has an ubuntu version, you need to say why it's ok to get rid of whatever the delta is
[18:56] <Quintasan> urgh
[18:56] <Riddell> Quintasan: you could also just ask doko to confirm it's ok
[18:57] <_Groo_> brb
[18:58] <Quintasan> _Groo_: it says nothing because such command doesnt exist
[18:58] <ximion> apachelogger: hi :) Anything left to do for debconf-kde?
[18:59] <apachelogger> stalcup should get me a building confirmation ^^
[18:59]  * apachelogger is going to bed in a bit
[19:02] <droidslayer> Riddell: upstream is just pounding us....
[19:02] <Riddell> droidslayer: too right
[19:03] <Quintasan> droidslayer: I didn't give you my poking stick for nothing?
[19:04] <droidslayer> Lol
[19:04]  * droidslayer pokes KDE upstream in the eye
[19:04] <Riddell> where's bulldog when kdepim is needing packaged?
[19:06] <ScottK> Riddell: From experimental, I believe it's OK.
[19:06] <Quintasan> droidslayer: poke bulldog so we get kdepimz
[19:07] <_Groo_> btw who developed qt graphics system KCM?
[19:07] <droidslayer> _Groo_: apachelogger 
[19:07] <_Groo_> was it apachelogger ? dont remember
[19:07] <_Groo_> apachelogger: whats the latest version i have .2 installed
[19:09] <apachelogger> wah?
[19:09] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[19:09]  * apachelogger should release gity
[19:09] <apachelogger> has improved handling shit I think
[19:10] <_Groo_> apachelogger: but from your blog, i got 0.2, is that the latest? or is there a new one?
[19:10] <apachelogger> dunno 
[19:10] <apachelogger> check kde-apps
[19:11] <_Groo_> apachelogger: since 4.7 already is using raster as default im happy, but i like to have yours in case i need to change it
[19:11] <_Groo_> apachelogger: url?
[19:11] <apachelogger> gogole
[19:11] <markey> apachelogger: Skype!
[19:11] <markey> and web cam
[19:11] <markey> you know that you cannot resist.
[19:12] <markey> you can try, it will fail
[19:12] <markey> I can show you certain photos that will keep you awake
[19:12]  * apachelogger will be out in a bit
[19:12] <markey> involving Riddell and Mark S.
[19:13] <_Groo_> apachelogger: 1.2 is latest
[19:13] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i think thats the one i have, aparently the shitty developer forgot to add a easy way to see what version is installed ;P
[19:14] <_Groo_> apachelogger: would it kill you to add the version in the settings window?
[19:14] <apachelogger> or the shitty user does not know how to look for it
[19:14] <_Groo_> apachelogger: enlighten the shitty user :D users are always to blame!
[19:15] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot139.png
[19:15] <ScottK> Riddell: Don't sync python3-defaults yet.  Waiting for doko (see #ubuntu-devel)
[19:15] <Riddell> ack
[19:15] <_Groo_> apachelogger: yeah i have 1.2.0 :)
[19:17] <apachelogger> yeah
[19:17] <apachelogger> 1.2 also has that
[19:17] <apachelogger> 1.1 also had it
[19:17] <apachelogger> 1.0 also had it
[19:17] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i know :D 
[19:17] <_Groo_> apachelogger: its a kde default thingy :D
[19:17]  * _Groo_ is a shitty user also
[19:17] <ximion> apachelogger: Ok, I'll wait then :P
[19:18] <_Groo_> apachelogger: but i never miss an oportunity to piss you off ehehehe
[19:19] <_Groo_> so who do i have to kill for kubuntu 11.04 disable filewatcher by default?
[19:21] <ScottK> You could probably get a few people to volunteer to change that if you got apachelogger.
[19:21] <ScottK> ;0
[19:26] <ScottK> nixternal: Can haz powerpc?
[19:36] <_Groo_> ScottK: to disable it its just a change in a desktop file
[19:37] <_Groo_> ScottK: you mean reasons to disable it?
[19:37] <ScottK> _Groo_: You were offering to kill someone to get it disabled and based on apachelogger's recent phonon work I suspect he'd be popular.
[19:38] <_Groo_> ScottK: i wont kill apachelogger , hes one of my source of amusement
[19:38] <ScottK> OK.
[19:38] <_Groo_> ScottK: i could kill yofel but he voted for disabling filewatch too
[19:39] <_Groo_> ScottK: maybe jontheechidna?
[19:39] <yofel> nope, I'll miss muon
[19:39] <ScottK> No.  Everyone likes him. That'll get you nowhere.
[19:39] <_Groo_> ScottK: its not being popular but usefull
[19:40] <_Groo_> ScottK: i could kill myself but it kinda defeats the purpose
[19:40] <ScottK> You've got to decide on your priorities.
[19:40] <_Groo_> ScottK: can i kill someone from other teams? PA developer would be a very popular pick
[19:41] <ScottK> Sure.  We wouldn't have to worry about SystemD anymore either.
[19:41] <shadeslayer> anyone taking up KDEPIM 4.6?
[19:41] <shadeslayer> if not ... i can ... but ill need a server because of ISP issues :S
[19:43] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: isnt kdepim 4.6 in experimental already?
[19:43] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: yes .. but thats a old beta
[19:43] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: ah, then go for it :D im ansious to test/screw my data with latest version :)
[19:44] <_Groo_> anxious 
[19:44] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:44] <yofel> the only one that ever did pim was bulldog iirc, and he's MIA
[19:44] <shadeslayer> yofel: i did the first beta iirc
[19:46] <droidslayer> My new night lamp http://www.imgur.com/1tYdT.jpg
[19:46] <_Groo_> i could do it on my system but im not gonna do it on a friday night, i have allods to play! XD
[19:46] <_Groo_> droidslayer: lol cool
[19:46] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: :P
[19:47] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: i just plugged my pendrive into my phone charger ^_^
[19:47] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: so you are downloading the internet to your usb drive ? XD
[19:48] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[19:48] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: old joke
[19:52] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: wheres the source for latest kdepim beta? i might build it on my machine
[19:52] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: sekret ktown server
[19:53] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: url pls?
[19:53] <shadeslayer> its sekret .... operates over sftp :>
[19:53] <shadeslayer> so if you intend to package it ... poke Riddell
[19:53] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: i have access to ninja
[19:54] <shadeslayer> no .. not that .... its on KTown
[19:54] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: well since i dont know whats that, i shouldnt be able to get it anyway XD
[19:54] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: you could just download them from git
[19:54] <shadeslayer> or svn
[19:54] <shadeslayer> or whatever they use
[19:55] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/kdepim
[19:56] <shadeslayer> on that note... i cannot access ktown because my ssh keys are on my external HD .. which is not being mounted :/
[19:57] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: k let me check
[19:58] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: the latest i can see in the mirror (that uses http) is 4.5.93, the one we have in experimental. http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/kde/unstable/kdepim/4.5.93/
[19:59] <shadeslayer> 4.5.94 looks latest there to me
[19:59] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: k found it in http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/kde/unstable/kdepim/4.5.94/src/
[19:59] <shadeslayer> :)
[19:59] <_Groo_> can you confirm that .94 is the latest?
[20:00] <shadeslayer> looks like it to me
[20:00] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: k
[20:00] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: downloading
[20:00] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: http://imagebin.ca/view/q_ZDolzr.html
[20:01] <_Groo_> stupid question, with apt-get source can i download only the diff/debian and not the source?
[20:03] <ScottK> _Groo_: No.
[20:03] <_Groo_> ScottK: k
[20:04] <ScottK> _Groo_: You could wget it via an lp url.
[20:04] <_Groo_> ScottK: shadeslayer k im starting to change stuff around for .94
[20:04] <_Groo_> ScottK: yeah thats the non lazy approach
[20:06] <shadeslayer> i do hate my system fonts right now
[20:06] <shadeslayer> brb after reboot
[20:08] <ScottK> _Groo_: pull-lp-source could probably be adapted to do what you asked.
[20:08] <_Groo_> ScottK: does it work over http?
[20:20] <sheytan> Hey guys
[20:21] <sheytan> i'm trying to boot kubuntu from usb, but it shows me that damn crc32c.ko no such device error
[20:21] <sheytan> what the hell is this thing? :D
[20:40]  * droidslayer notes something went horribly wrong with his external hard disk
[20:41] <yofel> as long as mount doesn't give errors about bad superblocks on a XFS disk you should be fine
[20:43] <droidslayer> Well...  Windows says it wants to format it and kubuntu can't see the partition
[20:43] <droidslayer> So downloading test disk
[20:44] <droidslayer> My GTG
[20:44] <droidslayer> My GPG keys were in there
[20:44] <droidslayer> Argh....
[20:45] <yofel> droidslayer: what does fdisk say?
[20:46] <droidslayer> yofel: just shows /dev/sdc1 :-)..
[20:46] <droidslayer> Which is the wd software partition 
[20:47] <yofel> :/
[20:51] <droidslayer> Its quite possible that usb creator tried to install the ISO onto my external hd
[20:54] <shadeslayer> so testdisk on a 1TB partition is going to take alot of time :P
[20:55] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/1986/
[20:56] <shadeslayer> ( i just hope to get my keys back, the rest of the stuff doesnt matter to me :/)
[21:06] <Trouble`> Has anyone tried to work out unmet package dependancies after a couple of glasses of wine? ;-D
[21:07] <Trouble`> My advice is don't try it!
[21:14] <shadeslayer> ooooh
[21:14] <shadeslayer> yofel: i haz backup of gpg keys on my phone \o/
[21:15] <shadeslayer> might lose the ssh keys tho :(
[21:15] <yofel> heh :D
[21:15] <shadeslayer> yofel: yeah .... apparently i was trying out a GPG Android app a few weeks back and copied them over
[21:16] <yofel> hm, reporting a broken blur effect should go against kwin right?
[21:16] <mgraesslin> yofel: against the driver
[21:17] <maco> ScottK: ping? im in ellicott city
[21:17] <yofel> hm, I wonder if it's natty X if both nvidia and intel don't work anymore
[21:18] <yofel> does anyone here with natty have working blur?
[21:19] <shadeslayer> yofel: i did ... using nvidia
[21:19] <shadeslayer> but now no more natty :P
[21:20] <shadeslayer> yofel: try the xorg edgers ppa perhaps?
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> blur works here with intel, so it could be card-specific: http://i.imgur.com/SbZn3.png
[21:20] <sheytan> Kubuntu sucks!
[21:21] <shadeslayer> !!!!
[21:21] <shadeslayer> sheytan: 0_o
[21:22] <sheytan> ]:->
[21:22] <sheytan> i'm evil :D
[21:22] <sheytan> meheheheeh :D
[21:22] <sheytan> just kidding :D
[21:22] <sheytan> shadeslayer ^ :D
[21:22] <yofel> hm wait....
[21:23] <yofel> kmenu and panel blur the background fine
[21:23] <yofel> it's only the window borders that don't blur the background if they're set to semi-translucent
[21:26] <yofel> http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/borders.png
[21:27] <markey> apachelogger: if you get a FB friendship request from "Jenny Gerdes", please accept
[21:27] <markey> this is purely for sexual reasons
[21:27] <markey> nothing important
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> yofel: I'd say it's probably the window decoration not telling kwin to blur behind it
[21:32] <yofel> mgrasslin went missing ./
[21:32] <yofel> :/
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> which decoration is that, anyway?
[21:34] <yofel> default, so oxygen+kwin
[21:35] <yofel> I only enabled the kwin translucency plugin for window decorations
[21:35] <sheytan> yofel blur works with "oxygen transparent" which should be a part of 4.6 :)
[21:41] <yofel> sheytan: where's that supposed to be? workspace appearance -> window decorations?
[21:41] <ScottK> maco: Pong.  Was in the car when you called.
[21:41] <sheytan> yofel ->apps appearance->style?
[21:41] <ScottK> now back to work.
[21:41] <sheytan> or oxygen-settings
[21:42] <maco> ScottK: well the phone covered it :)
[21:42] <maco> im gonna go get sushi with katie from linuxchix as she also lives around here
[21:43] <ScottK> Enjoy
[21:49] <Riddell> Heavy Snow and 1 degrees max temperature in Dallas!
[21:49] <maco> Riddell: its 0 here
[21:50] <Riddell> what's the point of going to Texas if it's not sunny and warm!
[21:50] <maco> it wasnt sunny and warm when we went there for uds either
[21:50] <highvoltage> 0 is warm compared to quebec!
[21:50] <maco> afaict, texas is a lie
[21:59] <Riddell> Quintasan: does that mean you can package the new sip now?
[21:59] <Quintasan> Riddell: Probably, POX said there are still few issues with the packaging, I will attempt to fix them now
[22:03] <stikonas> Hello, after I've installed KDE 4.6 RC2 on maverick ssh-add stopped working. It seems that SSH_AGENT_PID and  SSH_AUTH_SOCK shell variables are not created
[22:03] <stikonas> any ideas how to fix this?
[22:04] <Quintasan> stikonas: this is a known issue, I know only a workaround for now if it satisfies you
[22:05] <stikonas> workaround would be useful, since I do not want to enter passphrase every time I run svn up on KDE svn repository
[22:06] <Quintasan> stikonas: ssh-agent
[22:06] <Quintasan> stikonas: it spews out someting like SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-NHyzS2sada8/agent.29308; export SSH_AUTH_SOCK;
[22:06] <Quintasan> stikonas: just copy and paste the whole output to terminal
[22:06] <stikonas> thanks
[22:06] <Quintasan> then ssh-agent should work on the same terminal
[22:07] <stikonas> yes, this is better then nothing
[22:09] <nixternal> ScottK: still need ppc?
[22:10] <ScottK> nixternal: Yes. Please.
[22:10] <nixternal> firing it up now
[22:10] <ScottK> Great.
[22:10] <ScottK> Gonna see if libreoffice builds on power.
[22:12] <nixternal> ok, who pulled the power on my ppc box? some lil sneaker, i am guessing one of my dogs, has hijacked the power cable. little turd
[22:12] <Quintasan> urgh
[22:13] <nixternal> don't know what it is, but they love pulling the cable on that box. probably because it is the only one not up in the air
[22:14] <nixternal> i found a white power cord. that has to be from a mac
[22:15] <nixternal> ok, firing it up for real this time
[22:16] <nixternal> ScottK: it is up and running, waiting for you to abuse it!
[22:16] <ScottK> Cool.  Now I just need to remember where I wrote down how to access it.
[22:17] <nixternal> ScottK: that is what ~/.ssh/config is for :p
[22:17] <ScottK> So I'm discovering.  Thanks.
[22:20] <stalcup> yofel: would you mind doing utils?
[22:20]  * stalcup has an 18 hour day today
[22:21] <Riddell> 4.5.5 is looking good other than utils
[22:21] <stalcup> great!
[22:21] <stalcup> If anyone could do utils I would be greatly motivated to do lucid too
[22:29] <yofel> can do, but need to fix something else here first
[22:32] <geneiros> Hi everyone...
[22:34] <geneiros> can anyone help me....i installed today kubuntu 10.10 and try to update using ppa:kubuntu-ppa and it gives me a huge amount of dependencies error...
[22:36] <Riddell> geneiros: that needs 4.5.5 copied over
[22:36] <Riddell> which is waiting on kdeutils
[22:36] <Riddell> but maybe I should just do it
[22:37] <yofel> better copy it, I'm having grub issues here which need more immediate attention
[22:37] <Riddell> copying it over, should be fixed soon geneiros 
[22:38] <geneiros> ok...
[22:38] <geneiros> in some computers it updated well...
[22:38] <geneiros> because i update to 4.5.4 before
[22:38] <geneiros> ill wait...
[23:02] <Riddell> geneiros: how about now?
[23:03] <geneiros> i'll try...
[23:04] <Zorael> I'm getting dbus errors and failed session startup after the latest batch of maverick updates (includes 4.4.95 packages). Known issue?
[23:04] <geneiros> no...it is the same
[23:05] <Zorael> kdm.log says "klauncher(pid) kdemain: No DBUS session-bus found. Check if you have started the DBUS server.", "kdeinit4: Communication error with launcher. Exiting!", and I get thrown to the greeter.
[23:05] <Riddell> geneiros: can you pastebin the output?
[23:05] <geneiros> yes of course
[23:05] <Riddell> Zorael: I've not seen that
[23:05] <Zorael> Hmm.
[23:06]  * Riddell throws kdeutils 4.5.5 into kubuntu-ppa/ppa
[23:09] <geneiros> Riddell: paste all the output to here?
[23:10] <geneiros> it is a lot...
[23:12] <Riddell> geneiros: paste.kde.org
[23:12] <geneiros> hum?
[23:12] <Riddell> paste it at paste.kde.org
[23:14] <Riddell> sorry I need to go
[23:14] <Riddell> but pastebin the output and hopefully someone else will look at it
[23:14] <yofel> I'll try to update to ppa in a chroot
[23:14] <geneiros> done
[23:14] <Riddell> thanks yofel 
[23:15] <Riddell> if it's all good kick someone to announce on the website
[23:15] <Riddell> I'm going to snowey Texas
[23:15] <yofel> have a nice trip ^^
[23:15] <geneiros> nice trip
[23:16] <geneiros> the output is at here:
[23:16] <geneiros> http://paste.kde.org/1993/
[23:19] <geneiros> can someone see this
[23:19] <yofel> I see it, and just confirmed it
[23:19] <Bodia> apt-get ?
[23:20] <geneiros> no aptitude
[23:21] <geneiros> with apt-get it doesnt show the dependencies errors just that it wont update the packages...
[23:21] <yofel> odd, kdelibs seems to be missing...
[23:21] <geneiros> :(
[23:22] <geneiros> i dont understand but it seems that the repository only have the 4.5.5 packages
[23:22] <yofel> kdelibs *is* missing
[23:23] <geneiros> all the libs?
[23:23] <geneiros> oh i see...
[23:23] <yofel> the whole source package, let me try to copy it
[23:23] <geneiros> ok
[23:24] <yofel> *headdesk*
[23:24] <yofel> The following source cannot be copied:
[23:24] <yofel>     kde4libs 4:4.5.5-0ubuntu1.1 in maverick (binaries conflicting with the existing ones)
[23:24] <yofel> ookaaay, let's upload as 1.1ppa1
[23:28] <yofel> let's hope this works..
[23:33] <Zorael> Note to self: adding scripts to ~/.kde/env/ that exit with errors will in turn make startkde (that sources those scripts) also exit with errors.
[23:34] <yofel> fooey [PPA kubuntu-ppa] [ubuntu/maverick] kde4libs 4:4.5.5-0ubuntu1.1ppa1	(Accepted)
[23:34] <yofel> geneiros: with some luck this should work in about an hour
[23:34] <geneiros> ok...thanks....
[23:35] <geneiros> i'll wait...
[23:35] <yofel> that's about how long it takes for kdelibs to be built and published
[23:38] <geneiros> this problem started today...
[23:39] <geneiros> didnt anyone noticed this?
[23:39] <geneiros> with computers with 4.5.4 the update was ok...
[23:39] <yofel> geneiros: it was known - and actually started yesterday evening, we just couldn't fix it faster
[23:40] <geneiros> thanks...
[23:41] <yofel> sorry for the inconvenience
[23:41] <geneiros> dont apologise...
[23:41] <geneiros> :)
[23:42] <geneiros> hum...i think it is wrong writen...
[23:42] <geneiros> i'm from portugal :)
[23:43] <yofel> it's apologize ;)
[23:43] <geneiros> i have another strange thing
[23:44] <geneiros> i installed samba and kdenetwork-filesharing...
[23:44] <geneiros> and when i open samba from system settings it displays everything disabled...
[23:44] <geneiros> i have to open systemsettings with sudo systemsettings to manage samba
[23:58] <stalcup> Thanks yofel 
[23:59] <yofel> thank Riddell, he did utils