[00:00] <gr8m8> kleopatra:  sudo netstat -tulp   should show what the server name is
[00:12] <Aderlass> Any ideas? :)
[00:12] <James147> Aderlass: ^^ best to repeat the question so new users know what you are asking :)
[00:13] <Aderlass> :D
[00:13] <Aderlass> I'm trying to set up wireless lan on my netbook (Lenovo S12 ION, Braodcom Ethernet/Wifi), enabled the Broadcom wireless Driver (I can choose between STA and B43, tried both) but i can't find any networks
[00:15] <James147> Aderlass: try running "sudo iwlist wlan0 scan" to force a rescan (just to make sure, replace wlan0 with the actual interface)
[00:17] <Aderlass> wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning. I may add that when i use iwconfig eth1 is IEEE 902.11
[00:17] <Aderlass> *802
[00:18] <James147> replace wlan0 with eth1 if thats the wireless interface
[00:19] <hobe_> hallo
[00:19] <hobe_> ??
[00:20] <James147> Hi hobe_
[00:20] <Aderlass> "eth1 Failed to read scan data : Invalid argument"
[00:20] <hobe_> i dont know were i am
[00:20] <hobe_> hallo
[00:20] <hobe_> i come here
[00:20] <hobe_> i dont know
[00:20] <James147> hobe_: you are in the kubutnu support channel
[00:20] <hobe_> ok james hallo
[00:20] <hobe_> these people all users??
[00:21] <James147> hobe_: most of them
[00:21] <Aderlass> <- trying to become one. :D
[00:21] <hobe_> i want aks something
[00:21] <hobe_> ask
[00:21] <James147> then ask :)
[00:21] <hobe_> i must turn the shift to start my ubuntu
[00:21] <hobe_> pull push ??
[00:21] <hobe_> shift
[00:22] <hobe_> if not i have no good Picture and i mustwait so long time
[00:22] <hobe_> warum spreche ich nicht Deutsch??
[00:22] <James147> hobe_: wait for how long?
[00:23] <hobe_> sometime my soundcard make piep piep or anything
[00:23] <hobe_> sometime
[00:24] <hobe_> thats same like wrong pic color anything i dont know
[00:25] <hobe_> i have fast track on boot RAID
[00:25] <hobe_> it stops long time and i must shift pull for go on BOOT
[00:25] <hobe_> James??
[00:25] <hobe_> HALLO
[00:26] <hobe_> any one there?
[00:26] <Mamarok> hobe_: patience :)
[00:26] <Mamarok> no need to shout
[00:26] <hobe_> what is patience
[00:26] <hobe_> ???
[00:26] <hobe_> div it please
[00:26] <hobe_> i dont whant shout
[00:27] <Mamarok> hobe_: if you want to talk German, ask in #kubuntu-de
[00:27] <Mamarok> patiene = Geduld
[00:27] <hobe_> i use Uubunu know for 3 MOnth and never thoght my Windows lol
[00:27] <hobe_> thx
[00:28] <Mamarok> you are welcome, but keep in mind that it is 01:27 in Germany right now, you might not find many people awake now
[00:28] <hobe_> its funny but every time these prob
[00:29] <James147> hobe_: sorry :) i have other things to do so am slow to respond, it sounds like grub is hiding the menu (pressing shift forces it to show the menu) but not timing out...
[00:29] <James147> hobe_: can you pastebin the contents of /etc/default/grub ?
[00:29] <James147> !pastebin
[00:29] <hobe_> i dont anderstand anything
[00:30] <hobe_> goodbay
[00:41] <maxjezy> hello, in ubuntu, i'll install KDE-standard
[00:42] <maxjezy> but, should i use KDM or GDM?
[00:42] <maxjezy> in the package config when installing it ask me
[00:42] <James147> maxjezy: dosent really matter, pick which ever one you like more
[00:42] <maxjezy> James147, what do you use?
[00:42] <James147> maxjezy: you can swap between them after its installed by running "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm" (or gdm)
[00:43] <maxjezy> okey, thnx
[00:43] <James147> maxjezy: i dont use gnome, so kdm
[00:43] <James147> (kdm is the default on kubuntu, gdm the default on ubuntu)
[00:43] <maxjezy> i use gdm then
[00:44] <maxjezy> i just want to try KDE out a bit, looks really nice in the screenshots
[00:44] <maxjezy> and i want the minitube to work out of box
[00:44] <James147> maxjezy: kde will be availble as a session option from both gdm and kdm
[00:45] <maxjezy> James147, i know that, i have been trying it out for some minutes back in the days
[00:46] <maxjezy> okey, thnx alot so now i go buy some snax then i try out KDE a bit!
[00:51] <sfears> minitube is not working for me either.  the previews show but no content behind them
[01:01] <jenov> hola
[01:02] <jenov> alguien de españa o que hablr castellano porfi
[01:05] <Aderlass> Is phonon-backend-vlc recommedet?
[01:11] <valorie> Aderlass: whatever works
[01:11] <valorie> for me, it's xine
[01:11] <valorie> vlc used to work well, but now it's crashing on play for me
[01:12] <valorie> and gst is being worked on too
[01:12] <valorie> gst is going to be recommended for natty
[01:13] <rtdos> isn't the command to force fsck on the next reboot "sudo touch fsck" ?
[01:14] <yofel> it's 'sudo touch /forcefsck'
[01:15] <James147> rtdos: that will create a file called fsck in the current directory... if creating that file somewhere will force a fsck, then i would think its not the current directory :) my guess would be the root of the file system ( eg / )
[01:15] <James147> ^^ or that one :0
[01:16] <rtdos> thanks guys.
[01:17] <James147> yofel: ^^ my guess is it looks for that file in the root of the drive (ie /home if you have a /home partition and want to check that partition?)
[01:18] <Abhish> The KDE netbook interface is very nice.
[01:18] <yofel> IIRC it did behave like that at one point - but looking at current /etc/init/mountall.conf it seems only /forcefsck is supported
[01:19] <James147> Abhish: it is :)
[01:19] <James147> yofel: thanks :)
[01:21]  * James147 need to reboot so will test it ^^
[01:22] <ecinx> how do i set up my printer?
[01:22] <rtdos> what does it mean when after doing a sudo touch /forcefsck, it shows x% as non-contiguous and where do i find those log files?
[01:22] <ecinx> it's a network printter
[01:23] <yofel> ecinx: tried to set it up in system settings -> printer configuration?
[01:23] <ecinx> I think that's where I am
[01:24] <yofel> rtdos: I'm not sure that's logged anywhere by default, latter has to do with framentation I think
[01:24] <yofel> *fragmentation
[01:24] <ecinx> location of the LPD network printer
[01:24] <rtdos> ok, thanks yofel
[01:24] <ecinx> on hte left i clicked the name of my printer
[01:24] <ecinx> the name of one of my printers
[01:26] <ecinx> BRNF22A06 or localhost?
[01:28] <ecinx> brb i think i got it
[01:28] <ecinx> localhost didn't work before
[01:40] <ecinx> it doesn't print. It prints a testpage but can't print form an application
[01:49] <ecinx> printing from kate works but not from Okular
[01:50] <James147> yofel: if you care at all, it looks like only /forcefsck is used (the one i created in /home still exsists), but it also looks like that one file checks all the disks (it scaned my thrid disk which dident have the forcefsck on as well)
[01:56] <ecinx> How do i Print a PDF?
[01:57]  * James147 would think okular would be able to do that
[01:57] <ecinx> nothing happens
[01:57] <ecinx> i can print through kate though
[01:58] <James147> strange.... sorry, never played with printing so cant help you much, ecinx :(
[01:59] <ecinx> ok thanks
[01:59] <ecinx> if i download auto key which do i get autokey-qt or qt and common?
[02:00] <James147> ecinx: i would think if you downloaded autokey-qt, it will pull -common with it... that is, if it depends on it... if it dosent then you probally dont need it
[02:00] <ecinx> oh, okay thanks
[02:01]  * James147 notes that -common package tend to hold data common for different front ends and normally gets pulled in when you download the frontend you want
[02:12] <Feared> Hmmm.
[02:12] <rtdos> how do i pipe something to the printer (through the command line) or print a text file (through the command line)
[02:13] <ubuntu4shane> rtdos: lpr file.txt
[02:13] <ubuntu4shane> rtdos: however look at the man file for lpr, there are options too, you can specify # of copies, and pages I think
[02:14] <rtdos> ubuntu4shane, can i also use pipe: more file.txt | lpr ?
[02:14] <ubuntu4shane> rtdos: ohh, I would think, but I'm not sure, sorry I missed that pipe part.
[02:15] <rtdos> ubuntu4shane: just wasn't sure the correct format of the pipe :)
[02:17] <ubuntu4shane> rtdos: I would assume that looks right, if you install cups PDF printer you can test it and play around I think it is something like: more text.txt | lpr -p PDF
[02:17] <James147> rtdos: rather then more you should probally use cat
[02:17] <rtdos> ubuntu4shane: isn't there a way to force it to print immediately rather than hold files (i just sent a file to my printer and it appears to be holding it)
[02:17] <ubuntu4shane> rtdos: I forget the printer specification
[02:18] <rtdos> ah, cat. forgot to feed the cat (as my instructor would say) :)
[02:18] <ubuntu4shane> rtdos: hmm, that is odd, I thought it automatically started, let me look at my script
[02:19] <rtdos> it might be my printer too, it's on a network. (though the sample page printed out fine as well as a test page from my browser)
[02:20] <rtdos> there now it printed, i'm not sure why the stuff i sent through the command line took longer.
[02:20] <ubuntu4shane> rtdos: yeah, my script that I use for printing booklets shows this:  lpr -P printername -o media=A4 file.pdf
[02:20] <ubuntu4shane> rtdos: but you don't need the printer name, it will print to the default printer
[02:21] <ubuntu4shane> rtdos: not sure why it would be slower, perhaps network traffic jam?
[02:23] <rtdos> i thought of that. it might be since both are wireless on my network. no biggie. i'm just glad it at least worked. :)
[02:25] <ubuntu4shane> rtdos: right. :)
[02:26] <rtdos> brb.
[02:48] <dennister> fresh install -- x won't load, can anyone help?
[02:51] <EagleScreen> dennister: hello
[02:54] <dennister> EagleScreen: hi back...thanks for the greeting
[02:54] <dennister> can you help with this?
[02:55] <EagleScreen> did you install restricted drivers before X issue?
[02:55] <dennister> no restricted drivers needed...very old compaq pIII that i love, so intel video driver
[02:56] <dennister> it's a brand new install, from the minimal netinst., x has never worked
[02:57] <dennister> i even installed kde to see if it was a problem with gdm, but no, kdm and gdm don't load...never even get a grey xserver screen
[02:57] <EagleScreen> dennister: then you have installed Kubuntu 10.10? by netinstall with a minimal install?
[02:58] <dennister> ack! wrong channel
[02:58] <dennister> sorry guys...i need debian
[02:59] <dennister> EagleScreen: you're in the debian channel too, so i'm gonna close this so I don't mix 'em up again :)
[02:59] <israfil> hello, i have two defect packages, libgcc1 and gcc-4.2. How can i repare them? "sudo apt-get -f install" and "sudo apt-get remove paketname1 paketname2" don't work
[03:00] <israfil> i mean "sudo apt-get remove gcc-4.2 libgcc1"
[03:02] <dodo_> hello all
[03:02] <dodo_> when can we expect kde 4.6 rc2 packages?
[03:04] <mcurran> How do I stop newly opening windows from activating themselves, even though I click on another active window after selecting open on the first
[03:14] <James147> mcurran: do you mean from taking focus? if so try turing up the focus stealing prevention level in system settings > window behaviour > window behaviour
[03:14] <rtdos>  what is gnome shell 2.31.5 ? is it the gnome desktop or something else ?
[03:17] <James147> israfil: try removing them with dpkg:  "sudo dpkg -r <packagename>"
[03:19] <israfil> James147: Do i have to change to any directory?
[03:19] <James147> israfil: no.
[03:20] <EagleScreen> rtdos: it is a new design of Gnome
[03:20] <EagleScreen> rtdos: it is what GNOME 3.0 will use
[03:30] <rtdos> thanks eaglescreen
[03:33] <rtdos> james don't you mean desktop effects?
[03:35] <James147> rtdos: i do?
[03:36] <rtdos> nope. you're right. i was just seeing if i was paying attention. :)
[03:36]  * James147 is only most paying attention :p  and by that he means not really
[03:37] <hondo> hey all , Can anyone tell me how to turn off edge flipping?
[03:38] <EagleScreen> hondo: what edge flipping is, the effect for swtich between windows?
[03:40] <James147> hondo: under system settings > window behaviour > screen edge
[03:40] <hondo> EagleScreen: Yes, I use the cube to display Virtual Desktops. When I slide the cursor to the screen edge it flips to another desktop
[03:42] <hondo> EagleScreen: Thanks I wish that would do it. I can set the screen corner there, but oddly not the edges.
[03:43] <EagleScreen> hondo: Systemsettings -> Desktop Effects (in Kubuntu 10.10)
[03:43] <James147> hondo: ^^ "switch desktop on edge" set it to disabpled (on that page)
[03:49] <ecinx> why doe some aplications, such as firefox 4 look ugly?
[03:49] <James147> ecinx: because they are gtk applications :p
[03:49] <ecinx> oh
[03:50] <ecinx> i remember gtk when i used to use gaim on windows years ago
[03:50] <ecinx> very ugly
[03:50] <James147> firefox-kde-support  might help for firefox
[03:50] <ecinx> ok will do
[03:51] <EagleScreen> James147, ecinx gtk apps should be reasonable beauty by the kcm-gtk module
[03:52] <ecinx> EagleScreen: I didn't understand
[03:52] <hondo> EagleScreen: James147: Doh! I missed that part of the screen. Thanks.
[03:53] <ecinx> firefox kde support did nothing :(
[03:53] <James147> ecinx: make sure gtk2-engines-qtcurve  is installed then check system settings > application appearence > gtk...
[03:53] <EagleScreen> ecinx: there is a tool to manage the appareance of gtk applications in KDE, and if you use a good theme (like Qtcurve) they shouldn't be very ugly
[03:53] <ecinx> you guys are twins?
[03:54] <ecinx> gt-en-qt is installed
[03:56] <James147> ahh, too many keyboards
[03:56] <ecinx> hmm wonton soup
[04:14] <FloridaGuy> did a apt-get upgrade....and plymouth went from kubuntu logo to text
[04:16] <ecinx> maybe the sun in florida ate it
[04:16] <FloridaGuy> it night time..so sun out
[04:16] <ecinx> hmm
[04:16] <ecinx> i'm in florida too
[04:17] <FloridaGuy> what part
[04:17] <ecinx> gainesville
[04:17] <FloridaGuy> leesburg herre
[04:17] <FloridaGuy> here
[04:17] <ecinx> ahh... don't know where that's at
[04:18] <ecinx> im originally from the bronx and last 4 years in miami
[04:18] <FloridaGuy> about 30 north west of orlando
[04:18] <Snowhog> FloridaGuy: From a console, try running: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:18] <FloridaGuy> 30 min
[04:18] <ecinx> nice
[04:19] <FloridaGuy> Snowhog: whats going to do for the plymoth kubuntu logo
[04:20] <Snowhog> FloridaGuy: 'dist-upgrade' handles dependencies "intelligently". It won't hurt, and it might help.
[04:21] <FloridaGuy> nothing to upgrade
[04:22] <FloridaGuy> whats the commands for reslecting the plymouth themes
[04:35] <ecinx> autocomplete abreviatin isn't working for me in kile
[07:10] <israfil> hello, can you help me? http://dpaste.com/295116/
[07:13] <valorie> israfil: you have two ubuntus installed next to one another?
[07:14] <israfil> i have lucid on one partition and hardy on another
[07:21] <valorie> interesting
[07:42] <Abhish> Plasma desktop is suddenly unresponsive.
[07:42] <Abhish> Rebooted, still no change.
[08:09] <m_tadeu> are you able to kill it?
[08:25] <elkng> what the difference between "Regular Kubuntu CD" and "Alternate Kubuntu CD" ?
[08:26] <James147> elkng: the you will most likly want the regular, the alternative is generally used then the regular one wont do (text installer, for example)
[08:27] <elkng> can I use the "Alternate CD" to create live USB from live CD?
[08:27] <elkng> is it possible to do this without live installer with only text installer?
[08:30] <jhohn> elkng: How to install from USB you can find there-> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick, yes you can use the alternate CD to create your USB install stick
[08:30] <tsimpson> elkng: no, if you want a live USB then you need the regular one
[08:31] <tsimpson> the ISO image is just run from the USB device, rather than a CD
[08:31] <jhohn> tsimpson: sure? Can't use the alternate as live?
[08:31] <tsimpson> jhohn: the alternate CD image is text-only
[08:32] <jhohn> yes, but if I want a text onnly live system?
[08:32] <tsimpson> both would install the same system in the end, but the install interfaces are different (GUI vs text)
[08:32] <tsimpson> depends what you mean exactly by "live" there
[08:33] <tsimpson> the ISO is just ran directly from the USB device as opposed to a CD-ROM
[08:33] <jhohn> run a system from the USB Stick without installing
[08:33] <elkng> the only reason I want this CD is to create bootable USB flashdrive, am I able create one with text-installer?
[08:33] <tsimpson> so whatever is on the cd-image is run regardless of the medium
[08:34] <tsimpson> you can install to a USB device with both installers, but that's different from a "live" USB/CD
[08:34] <tsimpson> jhohn: the alternate CD has basic sh shell interface (not bash), but nothing special
[08:46] <ForgeAus> hey all :) so whats new with 10.10 ?
[09:46] <elkng> is there grub2 in Kubuntu 10.10 ?
[09:48] <valorie> yes
[09:48] <Tm_T> elkng: yes, there's an option to choose between grub2 and grub in the installer
[09:48] <valorie> !grub
[10:01] <Rahvin> list
[10:51] <javier> Anyone on?
[10:51] <javier> I need help...
[10:52] <javier> I just installed Kubuntu 10.10
[10:52] <javier> I need to know how to mount my Hitachi 500GB external USB drive...
[10:55] <javier> Hello there!
[11:20] <harrison> hey folks when is 4.6 rc2 for kubuntu out
[11:23] <harrison> anyone
[11:25] <harrison> no one :(
[11:31] <harrison> 4.6 rc2 for kubuntu coming out at all
[11:34] <harrison> comeon anyone
[11:38] <Newbee> hello
[11:38] <harrison> hey
[11:38] <Newbee> I have a anoying problem.
[11:38] <harrison> what is it?
[11:39] <Newbee> When I use the compositing features of kwin I have sometimes no video (in vlc, dragon, kaffeine...). Miro crashes... . Disabling the compositing solves the problem
[11:39] <harrison> hmm
[11:39] <harrison> i had issues
[11:40] <harrison> what i did was install compiz
[11:40] <Newbee> Rebooting also let's me use video and compositing for some time. But then the problem returns after a while.
[11:40] <Newbee> can anybody help? Has anyone a idea what to do?
[11:41] <harrison> yea really try compiz it will fix
[11:41] <harrison> kwin is too buggy
[11:41] <Newbee> so you say I should replace kwin with compiz?
[11:41] <harrison> yes
[11:42] <harrison> will fix issues
[11:42] <Newbee> Isn't kwin needed for some kde-specific things like preview in the panel and so on?
[11:42] <harrison> just grab deb online and install
[11:42] <harrison> nope
[11:42] <harrison> i have compiz running
[11:43] <harrison> 4.6 rc2 for kubuntu coming out at all
[11:43] <Newbee> and KDE is working as with comiz as with kwin?
[11:45] <israfil> hello, i use kubuntu hardy heron and installed the prorietary nvidia driver. The display stays really dark. Can i use kwriteconfig to set the brightnewss of the display?
[11:46] <adiljan> hi
[11:46] <adiljan> how to use kubantu?
[11:47] <adiljan> kubuntu?
[11:47] <israfil> adiljan: what?
[11:47] <adiljan> i am new for kubuntu
[11:47] <adiljan> i am using ubuntu and i wanna try kubuntu now
[11:48] <israfil> i don't know much, but you could switch to the KDE. You don't need to install Kubuntu newly
[11:49] <adiljan> I know
[11:49] <adiljan> thank you
[11:50] <israfil> no problem
[11:51] <harrison> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:52] <harrison> thats how you switch
[11:52] <harrison> takes 1 hour
[12:10] <israfil> i use kubuntu hardy heron and installed the prorietary nvidia driver. The display stays really dark. Can i use kwriteconfig to set the brightnewss of the display? Or what else can i do?
[12:30] <kaddi_> Hi, I have a problem with my window decorations. I set the title bar to be green and it works for all themes, except qtcurve, where it just uses the default color  of the widget style. Anyone has an idea where I can fix that?
[12:39] <daitheflu> hi, I've heard this chan is the good place to ask about PyKDE, is that right ?
[12:40] <tsimpson> daitheflu: #kubuntu-devel would be better than here, more coders there
[12:41] <daitheflu> tsimpson: thanks a lot :)
[13:02] <israfil> hello. Since i installed an proprietary nvidia driver my display stays really dark. What can i do? The nvidia-xserver-settings don't work well for me
[13:03] <israfil> i use kubuntu hardy heron. I tried the laptop-mode-tools, but they don't work
[13:52] <kaddi_> when I try to run partitionmanager with kdesudo I get this message: kdesudo(3613) KDESu::KDESuPrivate::KCookie::getXCookie: No X authentication info set for display  ":0"  how can i fix that?
[14:22] <84XABIUT3> hello all.. does someone know when this workaround will be used? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/604122 i need to put some files on my sd-card..
[14:23] <84XABIUT3> in kubuntu-devel they telled me, there's already a solution which i found here.. what i've to do?
[14:26] <84XABIUT3> i'm sorry when i stress, but i'm a bit in a hurry.. no one here wo know how i could send some files to my card?
[15:03] <Gargoyle1976> Is there an IRC for upgrade problems when going from 10.04 to 10.10??
[15:04] <BluesKaj> Gargoyle1976, this is it
[15:05] <Peace-> Gargoyle1976: ?
[15:05] <Peace-> BluesKaj: hey man
[15:05] <Peace-> ^^
[15:05] <BluesKaj> hi Peace-
[15:06] <syl> Hi all
[15:06] <Gargoyle1976> ok...I have tried to go to 10.10...but it keeps giving the error "can't calculate space(?) for the upgrade" then it bails out
[15:07] <BluesKaj> Gargoyle1976, how are you installing?
[15:07] <Guest23280> who can help me?
[15:07] <Gargoyle1976> btw...semi-new...definitely not afraid of CLI
[15:07] <Gargoyle1976> KPackageKit
[15:08] <Gargoyle1976> BluesKaj: Disttrubution upgrade
[15:08] <Guest23280> I cant update system fro kpackagekit because system is not see the updates
[15:08] <Gargoyle1976> BluesKaj: man can't type today
[15:09] <BluesKaj> Gargoyle1976, I'm not a fan of kpackagekit , why not just do , sudo do-release-upgrade , in the terminal
[15:09] <Gargoyle1976> BluesKaj:  Ok..I'll try
[15:09] <Guest23280> I have kubuntu 10.10 and kde 4.5.1, how i can update kde to 4,5,4,
[15:09] <BluesKaj> Gargoyle1976, and firstly make sure you have no ppas added after you last install, in your sources.list
[15:10] <Gargoyle1976> BluesKaj: I thought I had removed them all...I'll double check
[15:11] <Guest23280> who from RUSSIA?
[15:11] <Peace-> !ru
[15:11] <Guest23280> !ru
[15:11] <BluesKaj> Gargoyle1976, you can comment them out with # in front
[15:12] <Gargoyle1976> BluesKaj: I can never remember...where is the file again?
[15:12] <Peace-> Guest23280: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-454
[15:13] <BluesKaj> Guest23280, do this in th terminal then update : sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports , then, sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa
[15:14] <BluesKaj> Gargoyle1976, alt +f2 , kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:14] <Gargoyle1976> BluesKaj Thanks!
[15:15] <DaskreecH> Gargoyle1976: how much space do you have on / ?
[15:17] <Gargoyle1976> DaskreecH ~80GB  /= ~100GB; /home= ~800GB; swap= ~10GB
[15:18] <DaskreecH> Gargoyle1976: try sudo do-release-upgrade ?
[15:18] <Gargoyle1976> BluesKaj: 'Could not calculate the upgrade'  is the result.  I have no other sources other than the main one...must be help packages
[15:19] <BluesKaj> Gargoyle1976, have you done any upgrades pervios to this with in 10.04?
[15:20] <BluesKaj> h DaskreecH. he did
[15:21] <rtdos> how do i get the process id of a running program ?
[15:22] <BluesKaj> rtdos,  system monitor
[15:23] <rtdos> where would it be located in my menu?
[15:24] <Gargoyle1976> BluesKaj Like regular ones?
[15:24] <Gargoyle1976> BluesKaj It states everything is up to date
[15:24] <BluesKaj> rtdos, do need some one put your socks on for every morning too ? :)
[15:26] <BluesKaj> Gargoyle1976, just try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade , first
[15:26] <rtdos> blueskaj, i do not see it under menu > system or menu > utilities
[15:26] <Gargoyle1976> BluesKaj OK
[15:27] <BluesKaj> rtdos, kmenu /apps/system
[15:28] <rtdos> blueskaj, i'm there but it's missing, can i execute it from the dialog box (or re-create the menu entry)?
[15:29] <BluesKaj> alt+f2 , system monitor
[15:29] <Gargoyle1976> BluesKaj: got a 'Failed to read mirror file' warning
[15:31] <rtdos> thanks, blues.
[15:35] <BluesKaj> Gargoyle1976, post your sources.list on pastebin, and post the resulting url here , so we can hae a look
[15:36] <BluesKaj> Gargoyle1976, did the update quit or stall , or did it continue?
[15:44] <Gargoyle1976> BluesKaj: working...
[15:50] <Gargoyle1976> BluesKaj http://pastebin.com/M7eH2he3
[15:58] <BluesKaj> Gargoyle1976, is the update finished successfully , some mirrors aren't always available , that's no biggie.
[15:59] <rtdos> is there a youtube video downloader for kde / kubuntu (or firefox) ?
[16:02] <BluesKaj> !youtube-dl | rtdos
[16:03] <BluesKaj> rtdos, anyway install youtube-dl , it's a cli app
[16:05] <rethus> how can i activate kdm (now i have gdm activatet with gnome)
[16:06] <BluesKaj> rethus, if you have kubuntu-desktop installed , start kdem at the login
[16:06] <BluesKaj> err kdm
[16:07] <rethus> i have choosed gdm on ubuntu-desktop installation
[16:07] <rethus> so i see no dialoge to choose kdm or gdm
[16:08] <BluesKaj> rethus, or, ctrl+alt+f1 , sudo service gdm stop , then sudo service kdm start
[16:08] <BluesKaj> then startx
[16:12] <BajK_> There will be packages of KDE 4.6 RC2 for 10.10, won't they?
[16:14] <Peace-> i think yes
[16:14] <Peace-> wait :) and reload sometime this
[16:14] <Peace-> http://www.kubuntu.org/news
[16:20] <BajK_> hm okay
[16:20] <BajK_> the last time they became available on friday morning, but well, okay
[16:20] <BajK_> as long as I get them :D since the RC1 is worse than Beta2 was
[16:21] <Peace-> BajK_: ... dude you should not use rc if you want a stable system :)
[16:21] <Peace-> BajK_: i have natty and lucid
[16:21] <Peace-> lucid for stable
[16:21] <Peace-> no upgrade
[16:21] <Peace-> natty = the hell of upgrading xxD
[16:21] <BajK_> it is stable ;D but there are just a few minor inconveniences
[16:22] <BajK_> Are there already Alfa builds out of natty or is there the daily/nightly snapshots only atm?
[16:22] <buntu87> whick kernel version does natty use?
[16:23] <BluesKaj> natty here , there's a lot of changes happening today , 2.6.37-12-generic
[16:24] <buntu87> Thx BluesKaj
[16:24] <BluesKaj> BajK_, mostly daily / nightly "snapshots"
[16:24] <BajK_> Will Ubuntu (not Kubuntu) 11.04 be shipped with Wayland or was that just some rumors?
[16:25] <buntu87> do you know which version of kubuntu should I use for longer battery life on laptop? I use maverick with KDE - destkop release and battery lasts only half its normal time - 50 mins
[16:25] <BajK_> buntu87: try installing TLP battery tools
[16:26] <Peace-> BajK_: wayland?
[16:26] <Peace-> hahaha
[16:26] <Peace-> i hope no
[16:26] <BluesKaj> what's wayland?
[16:26] <BajK_> Peace-: X sucks. I hope they will go for Wayland at some time :)
[16:26] <Peace-> BluesKaj: new server X
[16:27] <BajK_> Peace-: display server, it has nothing to do with X
[16:27] <Peace-> BluesKaj: o well a server x without a ltos of stuff
[16:27] <Peace-> BluesKaj: improve performance = 0
[16:27] <BajK_> buntu87: TLP are some battery tools that allow you switching off many stuff you dont need (bluetooth, wifi, and stuff)
[16:27] <BluesKaj> like that silly silverlight for IE ?
[16:27] <rtdos> thanks again, blueskaj, works perfectly.
[16:28] <BajK_> Peace-: hm
[16:28] <buntu87> BajK_: which package is it? tlprender?
[16:28] <BajK_> buntu87: you need an additional ppa installed ppa:linrunner/tlp
[16:28] <BajK_> and then the package tlp becomes available
[16:28] <BajK_> starting it with sudo tlp start && sudo tlp bat
[16:29] <BajK_> this increased batteyr life on my notebook
[16:29] <BajK_> tlp bat switches to battery mode
[16:29] <BajK_> I have a detailed description but it is in German unfortunately
[16:29] <BluesKaj> can someone recall the name of the url-video downloader that works like youtube-dl but for all other video platforms besides flash?
[16:29] <Peace->  BluesKaj keepvid ?
[16:30] <buntu87> BajK_: thx
[16:30] <BluesKaj> Peace-, keepvid's not familiar ...don't think so
[16:30] <BluesKaj> it's acli app
[16:30] <Peace-> BluesKaj: try that shoudl work
[16:30] <Peace-> ahh
[16:30] <Peace-> dunno
[16:30] <BajK_> buntu87: I don't know whether you need to run these commands every time you start your system but I added them to my startup script just in case^^
[16:34] <rethus> whats that : http://uppix.net/9/0/7/c4eb04509cc897f0817c0f1d89c57.jpg
[16:35] <rethus> above my kontrollbar, some of the systray-icons appear
[16:36] <jeiworth> hi all, looking for a decent voip softphone for linux, preferably kde/qt. i am currently using twinkle which is quite nice but since the project seems pretty dead you might have a suggestion for another solution with equal capabilities?
[16:36] <Peace-> jeiworth: skype?
[16:36] <ralsina> zoiper ?
[16:39] <jeiworth> Peace-, thx, already have skype, but skype cannot be used as a sip-phone ;)
[16:39] <jeiworth> ralsina, thx, will take a look
[16:39] <Peace-> !voip
[16:40] <DaskreecH> can I source a function within a heredoc?
[16:54] <FlashDeluxe> hi!! does anybody can tell me how i can really force linux to unmount my usdb-disk? umount -f doesnt work (device busy), lsof and fuser do not replie anything helpful :(
[16:59] <Peace-> FlashDeluxe: mm nice
[16:59] <Peace-> xD
[16:59] <Peace-> looking for something
[17:00] <Peace-> FlashDeluxe: ok have ytou seen this for example http://ocaoimh.ie/how-to-umount-when-the-device-is-busy/ fuser -m ?
[17:01] <Peace-> FlashDeluxe: if yes have you used sudo umount stuff?
[17:01] <FlashDeluxe> Peace- yes i tried that too and i am root
[17:05] <jeiworth> FlashDeluxe, to me that usually happens when i am still within the folder of the usb stick, either with dolphin or in a shell
[17:06] <FlashDeluxe> jeiworth: No, theres only one shell open and i am not at the mountpoint or on the disk
[17:08] <Peace-> mm
[17:08] <Peace-> strange
[17:08] <Peace-> kde' version?
[17:08] <FlashDeluxe> its a server
[17:08] <Peace-> buntu kernel version ?
[17:08] <FlashDeluxe> 2.6.26-2-vserver-amd64
[17:09] <Peace-> so kde doesn't run ?
[17:09] <Peace-> right?
[17:09] <FlashDeluxe> there is no gui on it, its a server ;)
[17:09] <Peace-> are you sure someservice is not using the folder?
[17:10] <Peace-> i am sorry but i am a server ignorant
[17:10] <Peace-> i guess some service is using the stuff
[17:10] <FlashDeluxe> maybe, but i cannot find out
[17:10] <FlashDeluxe> i unplugged the usb drie
[17:10] <FlashDeluxe> *drive
[17:10] <FlashDeluxe> but its still there, mounted
[17:11] <Peace-> filesystem?
[17:11] <FlashDeluxe> xfs
[17:11] <FlashDeluxe> and there has to be sth wrong, dmesg says Filesystem "sdf1": xfs_log_force: error 5 returned.
[17:11] <Peace-> mm
[17:12] <Peace-> could be the stuff your are looking for
[17:12] <FlashDeluxe> so is there a way to just kick the mount away?
[17:12] <Peace-> FlashDeluxe: http://www.google.it/search?sourceid=chrome&client=ubuntu&channel=cs&ie=UTF-8&q=device+busy+linux+umount#sclient=psy&hl=it&q=xfs_log_force:+error+5+returned.+umount&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=cb3bac95fcb517ef
[17:13] <Peace-> FlashDeluxe: xD bad news i seee
[17:13] <Peace-> invastigate for it
[17:14] <FlashDeluxe> i did
[17:14] <FlashDeluxe> theres no solution, so i just want to kill it
[17:16] <Peace-> letme see if there is a way
[17:20] <Peace-> FlashDeluxe: i can't find anysolution fast
[17:20] <Peace-> fast solution
[17:20] <FlashDeluxe> Peace- you know what? Then i will go home now :)
[17:21] <Peace-> yea :D
[17:21] <FlashDeluxe> thats the best solutio, thanks for help! have a nice weekend :)
[17:25] <phoenix_firebrd> !gles
[17:26] <BajK_> yes man, 4.6 RC 2 out :)
[17:26] <phoenix_firebrd> what is gles
[17:26] <phoenix_firebrd> BajK_: is kde 4.6 rc2 available for kubuntu?
[17:27] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd:  looka at this when it cames  http://www.kubuntu.org/news
[17:28] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: good
[17:28] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: what is gles
[17:28] <BajK_> phoenix_firebrd: for 10 minutes :D
[17:29] <phoenix_firebrd> BajK_: sorry i couldnt get you
[17:37] <phoenix_firebrd> gles= OpenGL for Embedded System
[17:45] <BajK_> phoenix_firebrd: ?
[17:46] <BajK_> hm, who needs a macbook if he can have a nice aluminium notebook for 750 euro with kubuntu  :P
[17:46] <phoenix_firebrd> BajK_: thats right
[17:47] <BajK_> KDE looks so noble with that shiny transparent panel and the glarry display :P :)
[17:47] <BajK_> glossy
[17:48] <phoenix_firebrd> today i installed kubuntu in my friends laptop
[17:48] <phoenix_firebrd> stumbled upon a bug
[17:49] <BajK_> hm, nice, no more restore animation in window grid :) yay
[17:49] <phoenix_firebrd> windows is no match for kubuntu
[17:50] <BajK_> *g*
[17:50] <BajK_> hm it seems they changed the plasma taskbar theme in rc2 :(
[17:51] <phoenix_firebrd> BajK_: starting form rc2?
[17:51] <phoenix_firebrd> BajK_: in rc1 i didnt notice any changes
[17:52] <phoenix_firebrd> BajK_: the file copying animation overlay is superb
[17:52] <BajK_> yes, in rc2
[17:52] <BajK_> i just installed it on my notebook
[17:53] <BajK_> the buttons are smaller in height
[17:53] <BajK_> and they are now "Pressed" when a window has focus instead of iluminated
[17:53] <BajK_> and they have a more contrast outline
[17:54] <phoenix_firebrd> BajK_: so you like it?
[17:54] <BajK_> no.
[17:54] <phoenix_firebrd> BajK_: hmmm
[17:54] <BajK_> of course, it is just because you are used to the older ones but they are smaller
[17:54] <BajK_> and the margins are different
[17:54] <BajK_> to the bottom there is a bigger margin
[17:54] <BajK_> which renders them smaller and it looks nbad
[17:54] <BajK_> so I know what I will do before upgrading on my compouter :P
[17:54] <BajK_> save the plasma theme
[17:54] <phoenix_firebrd> BajK_: you will get use to it
[17:55] <phoenix_firebrd> BajK_: wont it be available
[17:56] <phoenix_firebrd> BajK_: in kde planet a fellow wants to trade his macbook for a thinkpad heh.
[17:56] <BajK_> seen it
[17:57] <phoenix_firebrd> BajK_: very funny
[17:58] <phoenix_firebrd> BajK_: is rc2 stable?
[17:58] <ep> Having difficulties installing a new HP printer on 10.04. I installed hplip and hplib gui.  connected via usb cable.   Utilty doesn't find it
[17:59] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: have you tried xsane?
[17:59] <BajK_> /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/default/widgets/tasks.sgvz just copy this file and you'll keep the original style :P
[18:00] <BajK_> phoenix_firebrd: I use kde 4.6 since beta 1 and it rocks
[18:00] <BajK_> RC2 is much better than RC1
[18:00] <BajK_> Rc1 was a regression compared to beta 2
[18:00] <BajK_> hm, kpackagekit still crashes when opening it not from systemsettings
[18:01] <ep> i cant really even find the printer install utilily :)  I'm trying to do simple
[18:01] <ep> start me from scratch --- please
[18:01] <phoenix_firebrd> ep:is your printer detected.
[18:01] <phoenix_firebrd> BajK_: ya
[18:01] <djustice> BajK_: kpkgkit prob needs a rebuild for 4.6rc2 libs
[18:01] <phoenix_firebrd> BajK_: what about bluedevil
[18:01] <ep> i dont think so but how do i check phoenix
[18:01] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: use this command "sudo lsusb"
[18:02] <BajK_> phoenix_firebrd: I dont use bluedevil, since I dont need it and it doesnt recognize my bluetooth on the notebook at all :P
[18:02] <BajK_> djustice: hm okay, so it's the old version= that explains everything, thx
[18:02] <BajK_> RC2 feels a bit slower than RC1 in terms of window resizing and stuff
[18:03] <BajK_> dolphin is a pain to use
[18:04] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: are you a beginner
[18:04] <ep> beginner but can do command line:  Bus 001 Device 002: ID 03f0:032a Hewlett-Packard
[18:04] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: good
[18:04] <ep> looks like the only line that might apply
[18:04] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: install the xsane app and try
[18:04] <ep> xsane is already installed
[18:04] <ep> try it, how?
[18:04] <phoenix_firebrd> run the app
[18:04] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: run the app
[18:04] <ep> it's command line?
[18:05] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: no
[18:05] <ep> where is it
[18:05] <ep> i just did sudo aptituted install xsane  ---  No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[18:05] <seanvk> Hi, how are folks connecting to an EAP TLS network with KDE? It doesn't appear to be supported with the KDE plasmoid applet or the Knetworkmanager. I have had to use a wpa_supplicant script
[18:06] <ep> so thats where i'm at, maybe it isn't installed
[18:06] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: try with kpackagekit
[18:07] <phoenix_firebrd> BajK_: thats bad
[18:07] <ep> i'm better with the command line :)
[18:07] <ep> i'll try
[18:07] <phoenix_firebrd> BajK_: what is the kernel version used in rc2?
[18:07] <ep> kpackagekit, i never use
[18:08] <ep> so  it's all new
[18:08] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: why is that so
[18:08] <ep> it confuses me... the interface
[18:08] <ep> it's hard to search
[18:08] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: its very simple
[18:08] <ep> i dont know which icon means it's already installed and which icons means it uninstalled
[18:09] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: any way you install the xsane app
[18:10] <phoenix_firebrd> who is flooding?
[18:11] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: xane?
[18:11] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: skanlite?
[18:11] <ep> phoenix kpackkit search for xsane listed 6 items .... the top one has a gray X next to it (what does that mean??)   it says its a featureful graphical frontend for sane
[18:12] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: that means that is not installed. thats is the one you should install now
[18:13] <ep> gotcha
[18:13] <Peace-> ep: you need a scanner program ?
[18:13] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: i havent tried those
[18:13] <Peace-> ep: kubuntu ---___> skanlite
[18:13] <Peace-> xane si for gnome
[18:15] <ep> geeze i hit apply and nothing happens
[18:15] <phoenix_firebrd> ep:did you press the install button
[18:15] <Peace-> ep: open a terminal
[18:15] <Peace-> ep: sudo apt-get install skanlite
[18:15] <Peace-> .
[18:15] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: press the install button next to the app and then press the apply button
[18:16] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: if this doesnt work then let his try your idea
[18:17] <ep> there is no install button and i was never prompted for a root password
[18:17] <ep> i hate kpackagekit
[18:17] <Peace-> ep: kid ... open a terminal
[18:18] <BajK_> phoenix_firebrd: sorry, was having dinner. ehm its a normal 10.10 I doubt kde would change the kernel
[18:18] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: Peace-is trying to help you can you try his idea
[18:18] <sithlord48> shane4ubuntu: are you around?
[18:18] <ep> okaay peace/phoenix_firebrd i'm install have to upgrade  libplasma first
[18:18] <ep> hang on
[18:19] <phoenix_firebrd> BajK_: are you sure?
[18:19] <BajK_> phoenix_firebrd: its 2.6.35-24-generic-pae
[18:19] <ep> done
[18:19] <phoenix_firebrd> BajK_: you upgraded your normal installation right?
[18:19] <Peace-> BajK_: kde is a desktop environment kernel recognizes hardware so...
[18:20] <Peace-> ep: did you install skanlite?
[18:20] <ep> Peace-: yes i did
[18:20] <phoenix_firebrd> BajK_: in the daily builds they use a different kernel version
[18:20] <BajK_> phoenix_firebrd: yep, added the beta ppa and did dist-upgrade
[18:20] <BajK_> as usual ;)
[18:20] <Peace-> ep: always in the terminal skanlite
[18:20] <BajK_> hm, but it feels much slower than RC1
[18:20] <ep> ok
[18:21] <Peace-> BajK_: try to create a new user...
[18:21] <BajK_> especially plasma extenders lag when opening, dolphin reacts slower and especially window maximizing takes much longer
[18:21] <Peace-> upgrading kde ----> rename $HOME/.kde could help
[18:21] <sithlord48> :( whats happend to the kubuntu ppa?  it refuses to let me finish an upgrade to 4.5.4 (shane4ubuntu ... im wonder if you resolved this)
[18:21] <Peace-> sithlord48: tooo much people?
[18:22] <BajK_> so i'll restart using the ati graphics, maybe this works a bit smoother for now
[18:22] <sithlord48> Peace-: dependcy issues..
[18:22] <Peace-> sithlord48: tried with sudo apt-get -f install ?
[18:22] <sithlord48> Peace-:  yup.
[18:22] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: installed?
[18:22] <sithlord48> i got it down to 19 un upgraded..
[18:22] <BajK_> Peace-: but so I lose all my activities and stuff
[18:22] <ep> isnt there a search for printer gui?  I never foond... i'd intsall skan-heay (or whatever) i need to
[18:23] <ep> yes skanlite is installed
[18:23] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: working?
[18:23] <Peace-> BajK_: upgrading  kde -> could be a issue with configuration files...
[18:23] <Peace-> BajK_: anywayu
[18:23] <Peace-> BajK_: i use to create a new user...
[18:23] <sithlord48> Peace-:  make that 23 not upgraded.. , installed the kubuntu ppa and backport ppa..
[18:23] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: that is not a proper way
[18:24] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: i use kubuntu since 3 year
[18:24] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: so
[18:24] <Peace-> i didn't mess the system
[18:24] <ep> Peace-: No devices found
[18:24] <Peace-> ever
[18:24] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: you create a new user for every upgrade?
[18:25] <BajK_> i did never create a new use r:D
[18:25] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: try the xsane app
[18:25] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: i create a new user alway when i upgrade , i understand if there is something of wrong in the hold
[18:25] <Peace-> and i fix
[18:25] <Peace-> :)
[18:25] <phoenix_firebrd> BajK_: :)
[18:25] <Peace-> old
[18:26] <Peace-> ep:  2 ways the scanner is not plugged
[18:26] <BajK_> but I'll give it a try renaming .kde ;)
[18:26] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: i feel that its improper
[18:26] <Peace-> ep: or there is not the driver
[18:26] <ep> phoenix_firebrd: ep@ephome:~$ sudo aptitude install xsane-common    (gives me no packages will be installed or upgraded)
[18:26] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: if you are kde guy you should know that upgrading kde there is the possibility to get a bad confgiuration files in the new kde that could mess kde
[18:27] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: try sudo aptitude install xsane
[18:27] <sithlord48> i have never ever made a new user for a kde upgrade...
[18:27] <Peace-> sithlord48:  luck
[18:27] <phoenix_firebrd> sithlord48: good
[18:27] <phoenix_firebrd> sithlord48: i too
[18:27] <Peace-> sithlord48: a lots of people got problems
[18:27] <ep> phoenix_firebrd: same message
[18:27] <sithlord48> Peace-: idk i have done way to many upgrades on to many systems for it to be just luck
[18:27] <BajK_> hö :D i just deleted .kde and all my configs are still there
[18:28] <BajK_> hm ti seems it just re-renamed that folder
[18:28] <Peace-> sithlord48: i support kubuntu here since 3 year i have seen a lots of people not one pc
[18:28] <ep> i think theres a driver this a newer monochrome laser printer and HP supports it
[18:28] <sithlord48> idk why it says  i need old packages. for some reason to install kubuntu-desktop
[18:28] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/all/xsane-common/download
[18:28] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: wait
[18:29] <ep> i checked before purchase... checked the ubuntu forums
[18:29] <Peace-> mmm
[18:29] <Peace-> ep: usb?
[18:29] <Peace-> ep: lsusb
[18:29] <sithlord48> its annoying cause i just reinstalled to avoid fixing this issue and it seams to be a repository issue. i don't get
[18:29] <ep> Peace-: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 03f0:032a Hewlett-Packard
[18:30] <Peace-> ep: mm strange hp should be supported well
[18:30] <Peace-> ep: i have hp and i use skanlite
[18:30] <Peace-> that use xane engine
[18:30] <Peace-> anyway..
[18:30] <Peace-> let me see
[18:30] <ep> model p1102w  (a cheapie)
[18:30] <ep> but new
[18:30] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: http://ftp.csie.ncu.edu.tw/Linux/Ubuntu/pool/main/x/xsane/
[18:31] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: try the 5 th nov 2009
[18:31] <Peace-> ep: ok should works
[18:31] <ep> why wont it install otherwise ?    WHy zero package listed?
[18:32] <Peace-> ep: run this : hp-check
[18:32] <BajK_> KDE 4.6 rocks :P
[18:33] <ep> installing it Peace-
[18:33] <Peace-> BajK_: solved?
[18:34] <ep> Checking for dependency: SANE - Scanning library development files...
[18:34] <ep> error: NOT FOUND! This is a REQUIRED/COMPILE TIME ONLY dependency.
[18:34] <Peace-> renaming .kde?
[18:34] <Peace-> ep: oh wow you have a messed repository i guess...
[18:34] <Peace-> !repository
[18:34] <ep> now we're getting somewhere :0
[18:35] <Gargoyle1976> BluesKaj: still out there?.. Never did finish the upgrade
[18:35] <ep> what repo do i need
[18:35] <Peace-> ep: read the documentation
[18:36] <ep> Peace-:  i will thanks for the help.  gotta run now  I think it will work once xsane actually gets installed... i'll get back for help if i need it
[18:36] <ep> phoenix_firebrd: thanks too
[18:36] <BajK_> Peace-: nope. It seems to track my actons.
[18:36] <BajK_> Neither renaming on console nor in dolphin takes effect
[18:37] <ecinx>  the abrevs in kile doesn't work for me
[18:39] <mark_> ecinx ?
[18:40] <Gargoyle1976> 10.10 upgrade bails out while 'calculating the changes'
[18:41] <sithlord48> Gargoyle1976: do you have any manually installed packages?
[18:42] <Gargoyle1976> sithlord48: yes I'm sure I do...but how do I remove or exclude them?
[18:42] <sithlord48> intresting using sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a crashes...
[18:42] <sithlord48> Gargoyle1976:  try doing so by orign  under manual (you need synaptic or maybe muon for that)
[18:43] <sithlord48> Gargoyle1976: if you dont' have synaptic use "sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install synaptic" to install it quickly
[18:44] <Gargoyle1976> I have synaptic
[18:44] <Gargoyle1976> sithlord48 I have synaptic
[18:44] <sithlord48> ok under the orgin section (on the right) look for manual you should get a list of them
[18:45] <sithlord48> Gargoyle1976: will you have to click the origin button first to see the list of repos installed.
[18:45] <Gargoyle1976> sithlord48: ok
[18:45] <sithlord48> Gargoyle1976:  i had to do it too last night cause i had a bunch of debian stuff installed before my upgrade (don't ask)
[18:46] <Gargoyle1976> sithlord48: ok..clicked and looking at it
[18:47] <sithlord48> look for manual or manually (i don't remeber the exact wording..)
[18:47] <ecinx> markus___:  the hotstrings, or macros
[18:48] <sithlord48> then on the left you can see the packages, sort by install status by clicking on the header of the installed coloum..
[18:51] <Gargoyle1976> sithlord48: ok...so anything w/out ubuntu repo needs to be uninstalled?
[18:51] <sithlord48> no just manually installed packages (like ones that you downloaded a .deb for)
[18:52] <sithlord48> Gargoyle1976: you can leave the medibuntu repo, wine, virtualbox, ppa's
[18:52] <sithlord48> Gargoyle1976: as well as any packages installed from those repositorys
[18:54] <Gargoyle1976> sithlord48: how can I dell if it has been install from a deb?
[18:55] <sithlord48> its orgin will be "manual"
[18:56] <sithlord48> you have to click on the manual section of orgin, WAIT  iirc its really labeled "locally " or "local"
[18:58] <francesco_> Salve, sto usando Kubuntu 10.10 su un laptop DELL 1558 con un card-reader di modello sconosciuto che non fa il suo dovere, c'è modo di scoprire il modello ed eventualmente vedere se mai funzionerà?
[18:58] <Peace-> !it | francesco_ e daje
[19:00] <francesco_> Hi! I'm using a Kubuntu 10.10 on a DELL 1558 laptop with an unknown card reader, is there any way to find out its model and, even more important, if it would ever work?
[19:00] <sithlord48> francesco_:  put a card in it ..
[19:00] <BajK_> hm resuming from hibernation makes the whole thing freaz
[19:00] <BajK_> freeze
[19:01] <francesco_> sithlord48: nothing happens
[19:01] <sithlord48> francesco_: you should be prompted to mount the disk , most card readers i have seen "just work"
[19:01] <sithlord48> shane4ubuntu:
[19:01] <sithlord48> shane4ubuntu: how did u fix your broken upgrade to kde 4.5.4?
[19:02] <sithlord48> shane4ubuntu:  i upgraed my netbook to maverick and now i have that issue..
[19:02] <m477> what does makefile?
[19:03] <m477> do
[19:03] <sithlord48> m477: sets rules for building (compiling) a program
[19:03] <m477> sithlord48: thank you
[19:04] <sithlord48> m477: your welcome ,
[19:08] <smooph1> hey guys ... whats the name of the package that lets you decide which grub entry to boot to in kde ?
[19:11] <Gargoyle1976> sithlord48: still not working...crap
[19:11] <sithlord48> Gargoyle1976: :(
[19:12] <sithlord48> Gargoyle1976: gl , i have to go.
[19:14] <Gargoyle1976> Well dang
[19:17] <BajK_> I doubt Kubuntu would run on a Celeron 1,4 GHz, 512 MB Ram, Mobile Intel 940 GML and 512 MB of Ram smoothly, will it? :D
[19:18] <genii-around> BajK_: It will run, but perhaps not with all compositing effects feasible to use
[19:22] <BajK_> genii-around: hmm i'll test it :D but since on my external HDD effects dont work, dont ask why,
[19:22] <BajK_> it always says "Compositing is not available due to:"
[19:22] <BajK_> and thjat's it
[19:23] <genii-around> BajK_: Is the external drive USB or eSATA ?
[19:23] <BajK_> USB
[19:24] <genii-around> BajK_: Probably data transfer is too slow
[19:24] <BajK_> and what has this to do with effects? :D
[19:24] <hondo> Hey All, any idea how to get the icon of/in a panel  to the right side of the panel -- right justified if you will?
[19:24] <BajK_> it used to work, i think before i installed 4.6 beta 2
[19:25] <Ascavasaion> I installed Gnome through Kubuntu, then restarted with Gnome... I then went to synaptic and uninstalled KDE... It then asked me to stop KDM which I did and then it went to console and froze on "* Checking battery state"
[19:26] <genii-around> BajK_: When the computer is tied up fetching files a lot (like it must do when fetching them from an external drive) it counts against the overall performance of the desktop and makes it more likely effects will be turned off to try and improve things
[19:26] <BajK_> hm but it does not even allow me to enable them. and IT SAYS NO reason
[19:27] <BajK_> and it worked quite fine on my office computer
[19:27] <BajK_> but now it is unavailable since kde 4.6
[19:27] <BajK_> and sometimes effects are even enabled but systemsettings say they cannot
[19:31] <ep> phoenix_firebrd: Or anybody, help on install hp printer.   xsane is now installed.... still doesnt find device.
[19:32] <ep> hp-check -->  HP Device 0x32a at 001:002: warning:     Device URI: (Makeuri FAILED)
[19:32] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: not working?
[19:33] <ep> hp-check --> error: User needs to be member of group 'lp' to enable print, scan & fax. User member of group 'lpadmin'.
[19:33] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: did you try starting xsane with sudo?
[19:33] <ep> yes not working
[19:33] <ep> yes i did and it said "DONT DO THIS unless you are GOD  its dangerous
[19:33] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: you should add your user to the lp group
[19:34] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: goto system settings
[19:34] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: select user management
[19:35] <phoenix_firebrd> ep:  you there?
[19:35] <ep> i'm at system settings | user managment yes
[19:36] <ep> i'm the only user btw
[19:36] <phoenix_firebrd> in that under user accounts tab , double click your account name , you will get a dialog box
[19:37] <ep> got it
[19:38] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: in that select the privileges and groups tab,on the right coloumn select the lpadmin
[19:38] <Gargoyle1976> getting frustrated... Can't go to 10.10!
[19:38] <ep> phoenix_firebrd: hmm, it's already checked
[19:38] <phoenix_firebrd> Gargoyle1976: what do you mean by Can't go to 10.10!
[19:39] <Gargoyle1976> phoenix_firebrd: having issues upgrading to 10.10
[19:39] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: select lp
[19:39] <ep> phoenix_firebrd: done, it was unchecked btw
[19:39] <phoenix_firebrd> Gargoyle1976: for 10.04?
[19:40] <Gargoyle1976> phoenix_firebrd: yep
[19:40] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: apply and ok
[19:40] <BajK_> lol I love linux progammers, they have a sens of humor :D
[19:40] <phoenix_firebrd> Gargoyle1976: whats happening
[19:40] <phoenix_firebrd> Gargoyle1976: black screen?
[19:40] <BajK_> oh, forgot to scroll down :D
[19:40] <ep> done, retyr xsane?
[19:41] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: ya
[19:41] <phoenix_firebrd> Gargoyle1976: ?
[19:42] <Gargoyle1976> phoenix_firebrd won't calculate changes or something
[19:42] <ep> okay still not finding the device... maybe i need the new driver as its a newer model?
[19:43] <phoenix_firebrd> Gargoyle1976: can you paste the error message here
[19:43] <Gargoyle1976> crap gotta go
[19:43] <phoenix_firebrd> ep:  try after restarting your system
[19:43] <ep> brb
[19:43] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: ok
[19:46] <ep> phoenix_firebrd: rebooted and xsane gives "no devices available"
[19:46] <ep> i run it from the command line
[19:46] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: with sudo?
[19:46] <ep> not yet :)
[19:46] <genii-around> Shouldn't use just "sudo" with X apps anyways
[19:46] <ep> i gave me a nasty message when tried that so i bailed out
[19:49] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: whats your scanner again
[19:50] <ep> no scanner its a simple monochrome laser printer model  P1102w
[19:50] <ep> They say the printer is fully supported, but requires hplip version 3.10.4+ (ubuntu forums)
[19:51] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: ha ha ha
[19:51] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-:  and me thought you asked for a scanner software
[19:52] <ep> :(
[19:53] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: i dont know why i didnt think about that even when it said clearly lp
[19:54] <ep> it's confusing in your end, im sure
[19:54] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: well it's a all printer scanner
[19:54] <ep> dealing with so much incoming i mean
[19:54] <Peace-> and stuff like that
[19:54] <Peace-> that is managed with hpsoftware
[19:54] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: no
[19:54] <Peace-> no?
[19:54] <ep> Peace no, it's a cheap black and white laser printer (wireless)
[19:54] <Peace-> omg
[19:54] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: its a driver issue i think
[19:55] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: ha ha ha
[19:55]  * Peace- anyway... looks like he had bad repository anyway...
[19:55] <ep> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1479670
[19:55] <phoenix_firebrd> i agree
[19:55] <Peace-> ep: hp-setup ?
[19:55] <Peace-> ep: sudo hp-setup?
[19:56] <ep> Now thats what i've been looking for all along :P
[19:57] <ep> ah, i run hp-setup choose usb and it doesnt discover the device
[19:57] <ep> but lsusb lists it
[19:57] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: did you try this
[19:57] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: they clearly say that you need the new version 3.x+
[19:58] <phoenix_firebrd> ep:http://sourceforge.net/projects/hplip/
[19:58] <ep> so how i just run the deb?
[19:58] <ep> never done that, need a help file
[19:58] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: its not a deb
[19:58] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: its a binary file
[19:58] <ep> ok i'll download it
[19:58] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: make its an executable
[19:59] <ep> yeah i understand
[20:00] <ep> downloading now... 20 meg connection is slow today
[20:00] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: no problem
[20:01] <phoenix_firebrd> what client are you using to chat here?
[20:02] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: what client are you using to chat here?
[20:02] <ep> i'm using quassel
[20:02] <ep> it's completed downloading
[20:02] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: install it
[20:03] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: do you know that quassel support nickname completion?
[20:03] <ep> just open konsole and sudo ./hp*.run  (right?)
[20:03] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: ya
[20:03] <noaXess> hey all
[20:04] <noaXess> have installed gimp in a english kubuntu...
[20:04] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: did you make it an executable first?
[20:04] <ep> phoenix_firebrd:  yes i use nick complete (tab key)
[20:04] <phoenix_firebrd> ep:  good
[20:04] <noaXess> how can i install german language just for gimp? how is the package called?
[20:04] <ep> i will change to x perm
[20:04] <noaXess> or just install gimp-help-de?
[20:05] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: i couldnt get you
[20:06] <ep> phoenix_firebrd: "couldn't get me?"
[20:06] <ep> phoenix_firebrd: running hplib, choost automatic ?
[20:07] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: what do you mean by "i will change to x perm"
[20:07] <ep> automatic custom or quit
[20:07] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: automatic
[20:07] <ep> phoenix_firebrd: sry sloppy type... i meant set exe perm
[20:07] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: oh
[20:08] <Guilo> Hi !
[20:08] <Guilo> I am planning to build a media center with Kubuntu and XBMC
[20:10] <ep> phoenix_firebrd: this is quite a process, it builds on the fly or somthing.
[20:10] <Guilo> I have question regarding hardware. As the computer will only be plugged through HDMI, what graphic card or motherboard should I use so that it can display bios and ttys. Any ? Or is there a feature to look for ?
[20:10] <phoenix_firebrd> noaXess: will this do good for you http://docs.gimp.org/2.6/de/
[20:10] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: ya
[20:11] <noaXess> phoenix_firebrd: hm.. not really.. cause the customer want the interface to german ;)
[20:11] <BluesKaj> Guilo, I'm using hdmi from graphics card to a 42" plasma , as we speak ..everything works
[20:11] <ep> r
[20:12] <phoenix_firebrd> Guilo: your question will be better answered in #hardware channel
[20:12] <Guilo> BluesKaj : Ok, thanks and what boot. Do you see boot screen on your screen ? The wonder is : can I install Kubuntu with HDMI (regarding to drivers) and go to bios. BTW, which card/motherboard do you have ?
[20:13] <Guilo> phoenix_firebrd : Ok Thanks
[20:13] <noaXess> phoenix_firebrd: i see that gimp in ubuntu is available just in english..
[20:13] <BluesKaj> Guilo, use the hdmi to one of your tv hdmi inputs and you should be fine...it the same as any other monitor , you'll just have adjust fonts to be much larger
[20:13] <phoenix_firebrd> noaXess: dont know about that
[20:13] <noaXess> ok
[20:14] <phoenix_firebrd> noaXess: i havent checked that
[20:14] <phoenix_firebrd> ep:  still installing?
[20:14] <Guilo>  : The fact is that my only knownledge about this is my laptop which only displays through HDMI when activated in NVIDIA panel but as it is a laptop it might be totally diffrent
[20:14] <ep> phoenix_firebrd: everything seemed to go well until:"The printer you are trying to setup requires a binary driver plug-in and it failed to install."
[20:15] <BluesKaj> Guilo, I'm having good luck with older 8000series and 7000series nvidia cards , there are a few probs with the newer 2and 300 series
[20:15] <ep> phoenix_firebrd: however hpsetup at least finds the device now
[20:15] <Guilo> I can't join IRC it says I must be invited : is it a private channel ?
[20:15] <Guilo> I can't join "hardware*
[20:16] <phoenix_firebrd> Guilo: you have to register first
[20:16] <BluesKaj> Guilo, try the hdmi out to your tv if you have the hdmi cable , it should work
[20:16] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: wait
[20:16] <domux__> Guilo: same for me i hav a laptop with a 8400MGT and the HDMI work fine !
[20:17] <Guilo> just plug and play ? no configuration with the driver ? I have such a behaviour on windows with my laptop but not with kubuntu (I have nvidia card)
[20:17] <domux__> no configuration needed
[20:17] <ep> phoenix_firebrd: i'll brb,  a restart can't hurt at this point
[20:18] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: ok
[20:19] <phoenix_firebrd> Guilo: i asked if it is possible to output on hdmi before the driver is loaded right?
[20:19] <domux__> only plug into your tv goto the nvidia panel enable the twinview and apply
[20:19] <Guilo> yes this is the exact question
[20:19] <phoenix_firebrd> Guilo: my question?
[20:20] <Guilo> yes, your question is exactly what I am wondering
[20:20] <phoenix_firebrd> Guilo: if thats the case what domux__say cant help
[20:20]  * BluesKaj wonders what's taking so long , it won't break Guilo :)
[20:20] <Guilo> yes
[20:21] <domux__> Guilo: yea my apologizes just misunderstood !
[20:21] <Guilo> no worry !
[20:22] <BluesKaj> Guilo, the driver loads before login screen
[20:22] <Guilo> Yes but how will I perform the installation of Kubuntu ?
[20:23] <Guilo> Installation will not load proprietary driver and I am not sure the open source one supports HDMI output
[20:23] <phoenix_firebrd> Guilo: i have never seen a person using dual screen before loading the driver. in your case check if any latest graphics card support  such a standalone funtion
[20:23] <Guilo> That's what I am looking for, I am heading to  #hardware
[20:23] <Guilo> Thanks for your support
[20:24] <phoenix_firebrd> Guilo: you have to register first. the fellow there are little bit cranky and they dont like noobs
[20:24] <phoenix_firebrd> Guilo: good luck
[20:24] <Guilo> Thank you bye
[20:24] <phoenix_firebrd> Guilo: bye
[20:25] <domux__> Guilo: bye
[20:27] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: are you there?
[20:28] <ep> phoenix_firebrd: yeah but i cant stay long .... it might be working not sure.... can't figure out how to load the paper (lol)
[20:28] <ep> gotta rtfm
[20:28] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: rtfm?
[20:29] <genii-around> phoenix_firebrd: Basically "Read The Fabulous Manual"
[20:29] <phoenix_firebrd> genii-around: ok
[20:29] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: is the software installed?
[20:30] <ep> i got an error message about the binary not instaling but i think it might be working anyway, not sure :)
[20:31] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: is it connected through wifi?
[20:32] <ep> no phoenix_firebrd, i only have a wired router... i was hoping to just use the usb cable for the time being.  That should be possible, no?
[20:32] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: ya that will work
[20:33] <Nismine> Can anyone help me getting flash to work with FF4?
[20:33] <ep> but i'm having trouble still loading the paper... these instructions suck
[20:34] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: try the help line
[20:35] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: but take care of the phone $$$
[20:36] <ep> okay it stll has a problem and i'm running out of time.... thanks for the help phoenix_firebrd.  I'll be back later
[20:36] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: welcome
[20:36] <ep> were making progress at least
[20:36] <phoenix_firebrd> ep: ya
[20:37] <BluesKaj> Nismine, reinstall flashplugin-installer
[20:38] <phoenix_firebrd> what is ff4?
[20:38] <Nismine> BluesKaj: I did.
[20:38] <Nismine> Firefox 4
[20:38] <domux__> Nismine: don't forget that FF 4 is a beta version
[20:38] <BluesKaj> Nismine, are you on natty
[20:39] <phoenix_firebrd> Nismine: did you do it with the builtin installer?
[20:39] <Nismine> I did it with Kpackagekit. Not natty.
[20:39] <phoenix_firebrd> Nismine: domux__is right
[20:40] <phoenix_firebrd> Nismine: is the flash working in other browsers
[20:40] <Nismine> phoenix_firebrd: Well it should still work. It does work with other browsers.
[20:41] <BluesKaj> Nismine, the reason I asked is the new kubuntu dev release natty uses FF4 as default
[20:41] <phoenix_firebrd> wow
[20:41] <Nismine> BluesKaj: Does flash work on natty?
[20:41] <BluesKaj> yup
[20:42] <phoenix_firebrd> Nismine: do you get any error messages in bash?
[20:42] <BluesKaj> Nismine, but it should work on maverick
[20:42] <Nismine> I think the problem is that FF4 doesn't have a real installer, it comes in a folder.
[20:43] <phoenix_firebrd> kubuntu daily build is not updated to the latest kde 4.6 rc2
[20:43] <Nismine> phoenix_firebrd: How do I check?
[20:43] <phoenix_firebrd> Nismine: wiat
[20:44] <phoenix_firebrd> Nismine: wait
[20:44] <Nismine> the bash errors?
[20:44] <phoenix_firebrd> Nismine: start firefox from terminal
[20:47] <Nismine> Oh great, now windows keep opening.
[20:48] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: we do have 4.6 rc2
[20:49] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: just now i downloaded and saw it, it says 4.6 rc1
[20:49] <yofel> btw. there are daily builds for firefox-4.0 in the mozilla daily ppa (reasonably stable for me)
[20:51] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: installed or trying?
[20:51] <yofel> hm, beta ppa has 4.5.95 and natty too - only bindings is 4.5.90 since that's stuck
[20:52] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: thats 4.0 beta 8 right?
[20:52] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: I have rc2 installed in natty here
[20:52] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: you installed via ppa right?
[20:52] <yofel> firefox or kde?
[20:53] <yofel> kde is from natty archive, firefox from ppa
[20:53] <yofel> as for firefox, it's a development snapshot: 4.0~b9~hg20110104r59999+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1
[20:53] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i am talking about a daily build
[20:53] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: about natty
[20:54] <yofel> aaah, sorry, misunderstood
[20:55] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: someone here said rc2 is little bit slower is that true
[20:55] <yofel> so far feels about the same, dpends on *what* is slower for him
[20:56] <phoenix_firebrd> him?
[20:57] <yofel> you said *someone*
[20:57] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: oh
[20:57] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: he ment dolphin
[20:58] <yofel> feels the same here, but my system is pretty fast
[20:59] <yofel> or maybe I'm just not sensitive enough after dolphin beta1 slowliness
[21:00] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: until rc1 in natty daily builds its a fast
[21:00] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: havent tried rc2
[21:01] <yofel> without hal beta1 was slow as hell since it waited for it to start
[21:02] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: are you still using hal?
[21:03] <yofel> nope
[21:04] <sithlord48> ne one have a link the the daily build for natty?
[21:04] <yofel> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[21:06] <sithlord48> yofel: thank you , you just saved me a bunch of searching , for some reason i can never find it
[21:07] <phoenix_firebrd> sithlord48: the build dosent contain kde rc2 yet
[21:08] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: is there a log for daily builds?
[21:08] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: so that we can see the changes
[21:09] <yofel> there *is*.... now let me find it....
[21:09] <yofel> firefox search bar is indeed awesome http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/
[21:11] <genii-around> There is also http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/  which is a good jumpoff point to see what is failing to build from sources, etc
[21:12] <Nismine> Alright guys, it worked after I downloaded the 64bit Firefox instead.
[21:14] <phoenix_firebrd> Nismine: good
[21:15] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: it says 4.5.95 that means its rc2 right?
[21:15] <yofel> that's rc2 right
[21:17] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: but waht i downloaded showed rc1
[21:18] <yofel> maybe it's only partly rc2
[21:20] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i will check that
[21:21] <Sentynel> Do we know when kpackagekit is likely to be fixed?
[21:21] <phoenix_firebrd> Sentynel: in 10.10?
[21:22] <Sentynel> phoenix_firebrd: with KDE4.6
[21:22] <sithlord48> phoenix_firebrd:  thats ok , cause it has better then maverick's stock kde, that i can't seam to upgrade from to 4.5.4..
[21:22] <phoenix_firebrd> Sentynel: its not yet fixed in rc2
[21:22] <Sentynel> phoenix_firebrd: yeah, I know, I just did the upgrade
[21:23] <Sentynel> wondering if there was any news
[21:23] <phoenix_firebrd> Sentynel: have you tried muon?
[21:23] <Sentynel> phoenix_firebrd: it's not overly a problem; I can just use apt-get or aptitude
[21:23] <Sentynel> just curious really
[21:23] <phoenix_firebrd> sithlord48: you have a problem upgrading?
[21:24] <phoenix_firebrd> Sentynel: muon is better than kpackagekit
[21:25] <Sentynel> phoenix_firebrd: I only occasionally use a graphical package manager anyway; just makes searching a little easier sometimes
[21:26] <Sentynel> muon reminds me rather too much of synaptic
[21:27] <yofel> well, it's intended as an advanced package manager like synaptic
[21:28] <Sentynel> that would be why then
[21:29] <postdocboy> I have a samba problem. I am trying to connect to a winXP computer on my campus network using kubuntu 10.10. I keep getting denied access even though I  can connect with the same username and password using ubuntu 10.10. Is there something I need to configure?
[21:29] <sithlord48> phoenix_firebrd: yea when i upgrade w/ the kubnutu ppa to kde 4.5.4 it throws all sorts of dependcy issues..
[21:30] <sithlord48> phoenix_firebrd:  in not worried i;ll give natty a try first
[21:30] <phoenix_firebrd> sithlord48: ya there was a problem with the weather widget backend something called ion
[21:30] <Sentynel> sithlord48: I have a suspicion you may need to manually tell it to remove libweather-ion4a and replace it with libweather-ion5
[21:31] <Sentynel> yeah, that
[21:31] <yofel> sithlord48: I fear 4.5.4 is somewhat broken currently, there was an accident with 4.5.5 so 4.5.4 is partly gone :/
[21:31] <Sentynel> after that it should behave
[21:31] <sithlord48> idk this is a fresh insstall
[21:31] <yofel> 4.5.5 should be out in a day or 2 fixing that
[21:31] <sithlord48> it wants stuff from 4.5.1-4.5.3 and complains a lot..
[21:32] <sithlord48> i will try natty , worst case i have to file some bug reports, i don't really need the netbook to work so its all good
[21:32] <phoenix_firebrd> sithlord48: can you wait till 26?
[21:32] <sithlord48> phoenix_firebrd:  the 26th.?
[21:33] <phoenix_firebrd> sithlord48: jan 26
[21:33] <sithlord48> for 4.5.5.?
[21:33] <phoenix_firebrd> sithlord48: 4.6
[21:33] <sithlord48> why should i not install natty?
[21:34] <phoenix_firebrd> sithlord48: some of the componets are buggy eg. kpackagekit
[21:34] <yofel> you can as long as you understand that natty is under development and can stop working anytime
[21:34] <sithlord48> phoenix_firebrd:  i plan to use muon
[21:34] <phoenix_firebrd> sithlord48: then go on try it
[21:34] <sithlord48> yofel:  yup i was using kde 4.0 when that was in beta so yea i seen it happen too
[21:35] <sithlord48> well the packages were beta..
[21:35] <sithlord48> the only think idk about is if i should back up my ~/ incause i want to install maverick later ,
[21:36] <sithlord48> and thats not a big deal either, but its nice to have my settings saved for me
[21:36] <Tekk_> what package provides the mig command?
[21:38] <phoenix_firebrd> i am going now, bye all
[21:41] <hobe_> hallo
[21:41] <hobe_> how is there
[21:41] <hobe_> someone here
[21:42] <DarthFrog> Nobody but us chickens.
[21:42] <hobe_> i am from germany and you come from
[21:42] <hobe_> ??
[21:43] <hobe_> i get Ubuntu for these
[21:43] <hobe_> what you try
[21:43] <hobe_> Hallo ??
[21:44] <hobe_> no one tell something
[21:44] <yofel> hobe_: a) please calm down - if you have a question please ask it and wait patiently for an answer b) you can speak german in #kubuntu-de
[21:44] <DarthFrog> I am from Canada.  But please remember this is a support channel for Kubuntu, not Ubuntu.  And it is not a channel for general chat.  #Kubuntu-offtopic is the general chat channel.
[21:44] <hobe_> guten abend
[21:44] <hobe_> Hallo
[21:45] <hobe_> ist hier wer da ?
[21:45] <hobe_> HUhu
[21:45] <DarthFrog> !de | hobe
[21:45] <yofel> hobe_: -> #kubuntu-de
[21:46] <hobe__> i dont know
[21:46] <yofel> hobe__: you don't know what?
[21:47] <hobe__> it was here ready for use on my ubuntu under Sftw
[21:47] <oldchap> hi, i'm trying to upgrade my karmic to lucid but i got all the time "warning: failed to read mirror file"
[21:47] <hobe__> nothing here
[21:47] <hobe__> mirror file ??
[21:47] <hobe__> karmic ??
[21:47] <DarthFrog> hobe__: If you wish to have support for your Ubuntu installation, please join #Ubuntu.
[21:48] <hobe__> i use ubuntu you have Kubuntu thats diverent
[21:48] <yofel> or #ubuntu-de for that matter
[21:48] <oldchap> i'm using kubuntu
[21:48] <hobe__> waht the diverent
[21:48] <hobe__> s
[21:48] <DarthFrog> hobe__: Kubuntu is a version of Ubuntu.  It uses KDE instead of GNOME.
[21:48] <oldchap> yeah I know
[21:49] <DarthFrog> It is only a matter of personal choice which you use, KDE or GNOME.
[21:49] <oldchap> so from 9.10 to 10.04 stable
[21:49] <yofel> oldchap: odd error, sure your network connection works fine?
[21:49] <oldchap> no problem with that
[21:49] <hobe__> ok if i whant use another one can i have my Progr everything at the OLD
[21:49] <hobe__> ???
[21:49] <sithlord48> hobe__: yes,
[21:49] <hobe__> ok for example
[21:49] <oldchap> there has been reported issues with that but i have had no success
[21:49] <hobe__> I use now SUSE
[21:49] <hobe__> it WORKS
[21:50] <hobe__> i dont lose my HArddrive Progr
[21:50] <oldchap> i've upgraded successfully my laptop but desktop fails
[21:50] <Sentynel> oldchap: just a thought, try opening the software sources configuration and changing the "download from" option
[21:50] <sithlord48> what do u want to do hobe__?
[21:50] <oldchap> i removed all the obsolete and local packages
[21:50] <hobe__> i tell you
[21:51] <oldchap> but that didn't help
[21:51] <hobe__> I use 20years Win but now i use for 2 Month Ubuntu
[21:51] <hobe__> Why i tell you
[21:51] <hobe__> I good a Sager Nootebock from USA
[21:52] <hobe__> it was an RAID on Board
[21:52] <hobe__> NOthing install on it
[21:52] <hobe__> Ubuntu WORKS
[21:52] <yofel> so what's your problem?
[21:52] <hobe__> and Know i use it very HAPPY
[21:53] <sithlord48> hobe__:  you want to try kubuntu ?
[21:53] <oldchap> yofel: i got the warning: failed to read mirror file and the upgrade stops
[21:53] <hobe__> I read know of many Linux Versions
[21:53] <hobe__> example Kubuntu
[21:53] <hobe__> SUSE
[21:53] <oldchap> yofel: that comes after updating repository information
[21:53] <hobe__> but have know these working
[21:54] <yofel> oldchap: that was for hobe__ but anyway, did you try Sentynels idea?
[21:54] <sithlord48> well you don't have to install kubuntu from the cd if you have ubuntu installed.
[21:54] <hobe__> update ?? it works ??
[21:54] <yofel> oldchap: and how did you try to upgrade? do-release-upgrade?
[21:54] <hobe__> ok i understand
[21:54] <oldchap> yofel: yep
[21:54] <sithlord48> yofel:  no i didn't if i can get my netbook up  i can try it , currenty i have grub broken..
[21:55] <hobe__> and what is this NAME MAverik or something ??
[21:55] <sithlord48> hobe__:  if you want to try kubuntu . you can install the kubuntu-desktop package,
[21:55] <yofel> sithlord48: hm?
[21:55] <yofel> hobe__: that's the name of the release 'Kubuntu Maverick Meerkat 10.10'
[21:55] <hobe__> ok Ubuntusoftwarecenter ?
[21:55] <sithlord48> hobe__:  if you want to upgrade to maverick from lucid , you can do so off the internet. bewarned these kinds of upgrades are not 100% perfect
[21:56] <yofel> hobe__: that's for Ubuntu, we use kpackagekit
[21:56] <mrneeg> hello, i have always been a super fan of kubuntu, but im wondering how to fix the upside down webcam image? ;-)
[21:56] <hobe__> tray these release upgrade
[21:56] <sithlord48> hobe__:  there is a chance you can break the system when you do so , if you are ok w/ that possibility then go for the release upgrade
[21:56] <mrneeg> im using a UVC? cam in a asus laptop. its upside down, for cheese i can flip it, but for skype not
[21:56] <oldchap> sentynel: what do you mean with download option, different mirror site?
[21:56] <Sentynel> oldchap: yeah
[21:56] <hobe__> oh ok now another thing , he talk about Cam it dont found on my Sager icl Ubuntu
[21:56] <GodFinger> hmm
[21:56] <sithlord48> yofel:  my netbook w/ the mostly broken kde has not grub atm to try Sentynel suggestion
[21:57] <hobe__> someone an Idee
[21:57] <yofel> sithlord48: his suggestion was for oldchap, not you
[21:57] <sithlord48> hobe__:  i don't understand what your asking
[21:57] <sithlord48> yofel: ah .see i mised a lot :P
[21:57] <oldchap> sentynel: aptitude update, and aptitude safe-upgrade works fine with current mirror
[21:57] <Sentynel> oldchap: doesn't necessarily mean that mirror has files for 10.04 though
[21:58] <hobe__> Kubuntu is an Upgrade ?? i can use it on Ubuntu install
[21:58] <sithlord48> hobe__:  NO. kubuntu is not an upgrade of ubuntu
[21:58] <sithlord48> hobe__:  kubuntu uses a differnet desktop interface called "kde"
[21:58] <hobe__> ok what is it very diverent or something??
[21:58] <hobe__> KDE ??
[21:58] <sithlord48> hobe__:  it has its own programs for desktop tasks
[21:59] <maco> yes
[21:59] <hobe__> ok gread
[21:59] <sithlord48> hobe__:  you can have both Gnome (what ubuntu uses) and Kde (what kubuntu uses) at the same time
[21:59] <hobe__> wow suck good
[21:59] <hobe__> i can try own my Desk
[21:59] <hobe__> thats very very good
[21:59] <sithlord48> hobe__: if you want to try the kde you can do so by installing the "kubuntu-desktop" package
[21:59] <GodFinger> any suggestion for ICQ and MSN messenger for kubuntu other than Kopete?
[21:59] <hobe__> ????OKOKOK
[22:00] <sithlord48> hobe__:  to use kde after install you log out and from the sessions menu select kde (you will see this menu on the log in scree)
[22:00] <sithlord48> screen*)
[22:00] <oldchap> sentynel: no success with different mirror
[22:00] <hobe__> I can use than MSN ???
[22:00] <oldchap> sentynel: the same error
[22:00] <sithlord48> hobe__:  you can use msn w/ kopete (kde default) or pidgin or about 100 different im clients
[22:00] <hobe__> slow slow please i have no idea
[22:01] <Sentynel> oldchap: weird... you could try downloading the 10.04 alternate cd and using that as the source for the upgrade
[22:01] <GodFinger> yes but what about ICQ?
[22:01] <hobe__> a lidle i understand know
[22:01] <sithlord48> hobe__:  there are many progams to use msn , and yes you can use gnome programs in kde and kde programs in gnome
[22:02] <oldchap> sentynel: i found discussion wiht same problem in net but no clear answer how to solve it
[22:02] <sithlord48> and i like this new splash screen for natty :D
[22:02] <oldchap> sentynel: removing all the 3rd party packages was the only common hint and I've done that
[22:02] <yofel> sithlord48: you mean the login splash background?
[22:03] <hobe__> sorry again i dont whant to check your TIME but what do the People here ?
[22:03] <sithlord48> yofel:  the splash and netbook background
[22:03] <yofel> sithlord48: ah, that should become the new kdm theme too I think (called horos)
[22:03] <sithlord48> yofel:  i like it , the old one was to bright
[22:04] <oldchap> sentynel: what happens if i just replace karmic with lucid in sources.list and do apt-get update and dist-upgrade
[22:04] <Sentynel> oldchap: that's very very not recommended as an update method
[22:04] <sithlord48> the best part about this netbook is i have opendrivers for everthing so it all just works :D
[22:04] <oldchap> yeah I know
[22:04] <maco> oldchap: thats not really the recommended way
[22:04] <maco> oldchap: if you want to do online upgrade, use "sudo do-release-upgrade" -- it has extra hints to make sure obsolete packages and conflicts dont break things
[22:05] <oldchap> maco: it won't work, i got warning: failed to read mirror file
[22:05] <sithlord48> hobe__:  you got that all ?
[22:05] <oldchap> maco: i've tried to solve that last four hours
[22:06] <maco> oldchap: are you fully up to date on your current version?
[22:06] <oldchap> maco: i've done several time aptitude update and safe-upgrade
[22:07] <yofel> oldchap: do full-upgrade too
[22:07] <maco> what about full-upgrade?
[22:08] <oldchap> yofel: done that too
[22:08] <sithlord48> i see what you mean about kpackagekit sucking in this natty disk.. it just crashed the installer :(
[22:10] <yofel> sithlord48: it's fixed in kpackagekit, but we don't have the new version yet
[22:10] <sithlord48> yofel: will i be able to install ?
[22:10] <yofel> using muon or apt-get sure
[22:11] <hobe__> mom please
[22:11] <sithlord48> yofel: i mean natty will i be able to install
[22:11] <yofel> sithlord48: or do you mean the system installer?
[22:11] <yofel> ah..
[22:11] <yofel> hm, I know the others reported issues in +1, but try it - no guarantee
[22:11] <sithlord48> yofel: as far as i care k packagekit needs to do two things, install the system and install muon..
[22:12] <sithlord48> askually just the system i can do everything else w/ apt-get :P
[22:12] <yofel> sithlord48: no, install system is ubiquitys job (live disk)
[22:12] <yofel> !info ubiquity
[22:12] <sithlord48> yofel:  oh yea... lol
[22:13] <genii-around> I had the installer chunk out on me today with a bunch of python errors
[22:14] <sithlord48> yup
[22:14] <sithlord48> python errors..., after setting time zone..
[22:14] <sithlord48> and it seams to be formating my hd in the background still..
[22:15] <yofel> well, could be that it's still installing, just the UI crashed (not sure how ubi works)
[22:15] <genii-around> sithlord48: I let it get to where it was at something like 90% on the bar above and then it stalled there. My box actually booted but only to CLI and with odd hostname like Korak
[22:16] <sithlord48> genii-around:  i think i could live w/ that.. but yea it needs the input to set the system up..
[22:16] <yofel> yeah, it now suggests a default hostname which looked rather odd here
[22:16] <genii-around> Also it had no user with 1001 uid, had to boot to single-user and make one
[22:16] <genii-around> ( and also add it to the groups it should be in)
[22:17] <sithlord48> genii-around:  im not susprised at all since you never got to put in a user name..
[22:20] <sithlord48> ok then i guess im install maverick..
[22:20] <oldchap> i'm getting tired with (k)ubuntu, dvb-c works perfectyly with 7.04, epg stopped working with 8.04, with 9.10 dvb is not working at all
[22:21] <sithlord48> can i cheat and install natty server version then just kubuntu-desktop?
[22:24] <geneiros> Hi everyone
[22:27] <geneiros> Can anyone help me...i installed today kubuntu 10.10 and if i try to update to kde 4.5.4 it gives me a huge amount of dependencies error...
[22:27] <geneiros> some packages are 4.5.5 and others are 4.5.4
[22:28] <sithlord48> yes it does
[22:28] <geneiros> how can i update?
[22:28] <ep> Got my hp printer working via their drivers.  It prints the HP test page and also a Pdf file I tested.  Any idea why it won't print a simple text file opened with kate?  It prints some faded squiggly lines instead of text.
[22:31] <valorie> geneiros: that sounds like a packaging mixup
[22:31] <valorie> please stop by #kubuntu-devel and talk about your experience
[22:31] <valorie> perhaps they can help you sort it out
[22:31] <sithlord48> geneiros: i have no idea... im having a simalar issue.
[22:32] <geneiros> it started today because yesterday it updated well...
[22:34] <ep> ah it looks like the kate print dialog gives a listing the same printer with different suffixes  hp_modelxxx_01  and hp_modelxxx02 etc...  obviously some don't work
[22:43] <samuel_> hey guys, just having a little problem , my computer was suspended to ram while amarok was doing the extra packages download, and everything froze, so i restarted my computer, and now i cant use the package manager to install anything anymore as it is coming up with a "waiting for package lock". any suggestions ?
[22:46] <Sentynel> samuel_: what happens if you open konsole and do sudo dpkg --configure --pending
[22:47] <kaddi> how do I get thunderbird to open links in firefox? Firefox is set as default browser and I have added network.protocol-handler.app.http pointing to /usr/bin/firefox in the options
[22:47] <samuel_> Sentynel: well now its downloading the rest :P
[22:49] <yofel> kaddi: open thunderbird settings -> attachments and edit settings for http and https
[22:50] <kaddi> yofel: there's no entry for http or https, how can I create one?
[22:51] <yofel> hm, should be created when you open the first link of that type
[22:53] <kaddi> yofel: it's not getting created just tried again
[22:53] <ep> I cant seem to fix my printing problem.   Files (txt) I open with kate will not print correctly but if I open them with openoffice, they print just fine.  Also other stuff prints fine.  My only problem is with kate.
[22:53] <yofel> I don't know how then :/
[22:55] <m0rfeo_> ciao
[23:14] <hondo> Hey all -- Can anyone tell me how to "right justify" the content of a panel in Kubuntu 10.10?
[23:17] <sithlord48> hondo:  add a spacer to the left?
[23:18] <sithlord48> hondo: click the cashe and choose more options if your talkig about the whole panel
[23:19] <kaddi> fixed it with: sudo update-alternatives --verbose --config x-www-browser
[23:21] <hondo> sithlord48: If I place one single Icon onto the panel it will be placed all the way to the left. This seems odd (and new) to me.
[23:22] <hondo> I added a new panel today
[23:22] <sithlord48> you in that case you might want to use a spacer on the panel and be sure to drop stuff on the right side of it
[23:22] <hondo> sithlord48: Is this new?
[23:23] <sithlord48> no click the cashew and choose add spacer.. then you can mouse over it to drag it around
[23:23] <sithlord48> you will need to click and hold to drag...
[23:24] <ecinx> is there any reason a keyboard shortcut won't work but a menu item might?
[23:24] <Sentynel> ecinx: conflict on that key binding, or otherwise something else capturing it?
[23:24] <sithlord48> ecinx:  example
[23:24] <hondo> sithlord48: I guess I never noticed this before because I had so many Icons in the panel.
[23:24] <ecinx> sithlord48: abreviation complete in kile
[23:25] <ecinx> i have autokey on, is that a problem?
[23:25] <sithlord48> ecinx: ? never used it..
[23:26] <ecinx> yes that was the problem i guess
[23:26] <ecinx> it worked when i exit auto key
[23:27] <ecinx> well, it worked once, that's it
[23:28] <ecinx> doesn't work anymroe
[23:29] <ecinx> i need an autocorrrect or snippets program
[23:31] <cba123> For some reason, Dolphin seems to have crashed on me.  This has happened a few times before, and I can only seem to fix it with a full reboot.  Any ideas as to how I could fic this without having to reboot?
[23:31] <cba123> fix*
[23:32] <yofel> first we would need the backtrace of the crash so we know where it crashes
[23:33] <cba123> yofel, Where would I get that?
[23:33] <Sentynel> cba123: do you get a crash report box pop up when it crashes? if so, it's on the developer information tab
[23:34] <yofel> when the crash notification comes up go to 'developer information' and let it retrace it there
[23:34] <cba123> Oh, ok, I did that once, I'll have to remember next time then.