[00:00] kleopatra: sudo netstat -tulp should show what the server name is === jim__ is now known as ki6njf [00:12] Any ideas? :) [00:12] Aderlass: ^^ best to repeat the question so new users know what you are asking :) [00:13] :D [00:13] I'm trying to set up wireless lan on my netbook (Lenovo S12 ION, Braodcom Ethernet/Wifi), enabled the Broadcom wireless Driver (I can choose between STA and B43, tried both) but i can't find any networks [00:15] Aderlass: try running "sudo iwlist wlan0 scan" to force a rescan (just to make sure, replace wlan0 with the actual interface) [00:17] wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning. I may add that when i use iwconfig eth1 is IEEE 902.11 [00:17] *802 [00:18] replace wlan0 with eth1 if thats the wireless interface [00:19] hallo [00:19] ?? [00:20] Hi hobe_ [00:20] "eth1 Failed to read scan data : Invalid argument" [00:20] i dont know were i am [00:20] hallo [00:20] i come here [00:20] i dont know [00:20] hobe_: you are in the kubutnu support channel [00:20] ok james hallo [00:20] these people all users?? [00:21] hobe_: most of them [00:21] <- trying to become one. :D [00:21] i want aks something [00:21] ask [00:21] then ask :) [00:21] i must turn the shift to start my ubuntu [00:21] pull push ?? [00:21] shift [00:22] if not i have no good Picture and i mustwait so long time [00:22] warum spreche ich nicht Deutsch?? [00:22] hobe_: wait for how long? [00:23] sometime my soundcard make piep piep or anything [00:23] sometime [00:24] thats same like wrong pic color anything i dont know [00:25] i have fast track on boot RAID [00:25] it stops long time and i must shift pull for go on BOOT [00:25] James?? [00:25] HALLO [00:26] any one there? [00:26] hobe_: patience :) [00:26] no need to shout [00:26] what is patience [00:26] ??? [00:26] div it please [00:26] i dont whant shout [00:27] hobe_: if you want to talk German, ask in #kubuntu-de [00:27] patiene = Geduld [00:27] i use Uubunu know for 3 MOnth and never thoght my Windows lol [00:27] thx [00:28] you are welcome, but keep in mind that it is 01:27 in Germany right now, you might not find many people awake now [00:28] its funny but every time these prob [00:29] hobe_: sorry :) i have other things to do so am slow to respond, it sounds like grub is hiding the menu (pressing shift forces it to show the menu) but not timing out... [00:29] hobe_: can you pastebin the contents of /etc/default/grub ? [00:29] !pastebin [00:29] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [00:29] i dont anderstand anything [00:30] goodbay [00:41] hello, in ubuntu, i'll install KDE-standard [00:42] but, should i use KDM or GDM? [00:42] in the package config when installing it ask me [00:42] maxjezy: dosent really matter, pick which ever one you like more [00:42] James147, what do you use? [00:42] maxjezy: you can swap between them after its installed by running "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm" (or gdm) [00:43] okey, thnx [00:43] maxjezy: i dont use gnome, so kdm [00:43] (kdm is the default on kubuntu, gdm the default on ubuntu) [00:43] i use gdm then [00:44] i just want to try KDE out a bit, looks really nice in the screenshots [00:44] and i want the minitube to work out of box [00:44] maxjezy: kde will be availble as a session option from both gdm and kdm [00:45] James147, i know that, i have been trying it out for some minutes back in the days [00:46] okey, thnx alot so now i go buy some snax then i try out KDE a bit! === Muzer is now known as MuzerAway [00:51] minitube is not working for me either. the previews show but no content behind them [01:01] hola [01:02] alguien de españa o que hablr castellano porfi [01:05] Is phonon-backend-vlc recommedet? [01:11] Aderlass: whatever works [01:11] for me, it's xine [01:11] vlc used to work well, but now it's crashing on play for me [01:12] and gst is being worked on too [01:12] gst is going to be recommended for natty [01:13] isn't the command to force fsck on the next reboot "sudo touch fsck" ? [01:14] it's 'sudo touch /forcefsck' [01:15] rtdos: that will create a file called fsck in the current directory... if creating that file somewhere will force a fsck, then i would think its not the current directory :) my guess would be the root of the file system ( eg / ) [01:15] ^^ or that one :0 [01:16] thanks guys. [01:17] yofel: ^^ my guess is it looks for that file in the root of the drive (ie /home if you have a /home partition and want to check that partition?) === 77CAAKIOY is now known as Abhish [01:18] The KDE netbook interface is very nice. [01:18] IIRC it did behave like that at one point - but looking at current /etc/init/mountall.conf it seems only /forcefsck is supported [01:19] Abhish: it is :) [01:19] yofel: thanks :) [01:21] * James147 need to reboot so will test it ^^ [01:22] how do i set up my printer? [01:22] what does it mean when after doing a sudo touch /forcefsck, it shows x% as non-contiguous and where do i find those log files? [01:22] it's a network printter [01:23] ecinx: tried to set it up in system settings -> printer configuration? [01:23] I think that's where I am [01:24] rtdos: I'm not sure that's logged anywhere by default, latter has to do with framentation I think [01:24] *fragmentation [01:24] location of the LPD network printer [01:24] ok, thanks yofel [01:24] on hte left i clicked the name of my printer [01:24] the name of one of my printers [01:26] BRNF22A06 or localhost? [01:28] brb i think i got it [01:28] localhost didn't work before === RaNdY is now known as Guest5282 [01:40] it doesn't print. It prints a testpage but can't print form an application [01:49] printing from kate works but not from Okular [01:50] yofel: if you care at all, it looks like only /forcefsck is used (the one i created in /home still exsists), but it also looks like that one file checks all the disks (it scaned my thrid disk which dident have the forcefsck on as well) [01:56] How do i Print a PDF? [01:57] * James147 would think okular would be able to do that [01:57] nothing happens [01:57] i can print through kate though [01:58] strange.... sorry, never played with printing so cant help you much, ecinx :( [01:59] ok thanks [01:59] if i download auto key which do i get autokey-qt or qt and common? [02:00] ecinx: i would think if you downloaded autokey-qt, it will pull -common with it... that is, if it depends on it... if it dosent then you probally dont need it [02:00] oh, okay thanks [02:01] * James147 notes that -common package tend to hold data common for different front ends and normally gets pulled in when you download the frontend you want [02:12] Hmmm. [02:12] how do i pipe something to the printer (through the command line) or print a text file (through the command line) [02:13] rtdos: lpr file.txt [02:13] rtdos: however look at the man file for lpr, there are options too, you can specify # of copies, and pages I think [02:14] ubuntu4shane, can i also use pipe: more file.txt | lpr ? [02:14] rtdos: ohh, I would think, but I'm not sure, sorry I missed that pipe part. [02:15] ubuntu4shane: just wasn't sure the correct format of the pipe :) [02:17] rtdos: I would assume that looks right, if you install cups PDF printer you can test it and play around I think it is something like: more text.txt | lpr -p PDF [02:17] rtdos: rather then more you should probally use cat [02:17] ubuntu4shane: isn't there a way to force it to print immediately rather than hold files (i just sent a file to my printer and it appears to be holding it) [02:17] rtdos: I forget the printer specification [02:18] ah, cat. forgot to feed the cat (as my instructor would say) :) [02:18] rtdos: hmm, that is odd, I thought it automatically started, let me look at my script [02:19] it might be my printer too, it's on a network. (though the sample page printed out fine as well as a test page from my browser) [02:20] there now it printed, i'm not sure why the stuff i sent through the command line took longer. [02:20] rtdos: yeah, my script that I use for printing booklets shows this: lpr -P printername -o media=A4 file.pdf [02:20] rtdos: but you don't need the printer name, it will print to the default printer [02:21] rtdos: not sure why it would be slower, perhaps network traffic jam? [02:23] i thought of that. it might be since both are wireless on my network. no biggie. i'm just glad it at least worked. :) [02:25] rtdos: right. :) [02:26] brb. [02:48] fresh install -- x won't load, can anyone help? [02:51] dennister: hello [02:54] EagleScreen: hi back...thanks for the greeting [02:54] can you help with this? [02:55] did you install restricted drivers before X issue? [02:55] no restricted drivers needed...very old compaq pIII that i love, so intel video driver [02:56] it's a brand new install, from the minimal netinst., x has never worked [02:57] i even installed kde to see if it was a problem with gdm, but no, kdm and gdm don't load...never even get a grey xserver screen [02:57] dennister: then you have installed Kubuntu 10.10? by netinstall with a minimal install? [02:58] ack! wrong channel [02:58] sorry guys...i need debian [02:59] EagleScreen: you're in the debian channel too, so i'm gonna close this so I don't mix 'em up again :) [02:59] hello, i have two defect packages, libgcc1 and gcc-4.2. How can i repare them? "sudo apt-get -f install" and "sudo apt-get remove paketname1 paketname2" don't work [03:00] i mean "sudo apt-get remove gcc-4.2 libgcc1" [03:02] hello all [03:02] when can we expect kde 4.6 rc2 packages? [03:04] How do I stop newly opening windows from activating themselves, even though I click on another active window after selecting open on the first [03:14] mcurran: do you mean from taking focus? if so try turing up the focus stealing prevention level in system settings > window behaviour > window behaviour [03:14] what is gnome shell 2.31.5 ? is it the gnome desktop or something else ? [03:17] israfil: try removing them with dpkg: "sudo dpkg -r " [03:19] James147: Do i have to change to any directory? [03:19] israfil: no. [03:20] rtdos: it is a new design of Gnome [03:20] rtdos: it is what GNOME 3.0 will use [03:30] thanks eaglescreen [03:33] james don't you mean desktop effects? [03:35] rtdos: i do? [03:36] nope. you're right. i was just seeing if i was paying attention. :) [03:36] * James147 is only most paying attention :p and by that he means not really [03:37] hey all , Can anyone tell me how to turn off edge flipping? [03:38] hondo: what edge flipping is, the effect for swtich between windows? [03:40] hondo: under system settings > window behaviour > screen edge [03:40] EagleScreen: Yes, I use the cube to display Virtual Desktops. When I slide the cursor to the screen edge it flips to another desktop [03:42] EagleScreen: Thanks I wish that would do it. I can set the screen corner there, but oddly not the edges. [03:43] hondo: Systemsettings -> Desktop Effects (in Kubuntu 10.10) [03:43] hondo: ^^ "switch desktop on edge" set it to disabpled (on that page) [03:49] why doe some aplications, such as firefox 4 look ugly? [03:49] ecinx: because they are gtk applications :p [03:49] oh [03:50] i remember gtk when i used to use gaim on windows years ago [03:50] very ugly [03:50] firefox-kde-support might help for firefox [03:50] ok will do [03:51] James147, ecinx gtk apps should be reasonable beauty by the kcm-gtk module [03:52] EagleScreen: I didn't understand [03:52] EagleScreen: James147: Doh! I missed that part of the screen. Thanks. [03:53] firefox kde support did nothing :( [03:53] ecinx: make sure gtk2-engines-qtcurve is installed then check system settings > application appearence > gtk... [03:53] ecinx: there is a tool to manage the appareance of gtk applications in KDE, and if you use a good theme (like Qtcurve) they shouldn't be very ugly [03:53] you guys are twins? [03:54] gt-en-qt is installed [03:56] ahh, too many keyboards [03:56] hmm wonton soup === GinoMan_ is now known as GinoMan [04:14] did a apt-get upgrade....and plymouth went from kubuntu logo to text [04:16] maybe the sun in florida ate it [04:16] it night time..so sun out [04:16] hmm [04:16] i'm in florida too [04:17] what part [04:17] gainesville [04:17] leesburg herre [04:17] here [04:17] ahh... don't know where that's at [04:18] im originally from the bronx and last 4 years in miami [04:18] about 30 north west of orlando [04:18] FloridaGuy: From a console, try running: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [04:18] 30 min [04:18] nice [04:19] Snowhog: whats going to do for the plymoth kubuntu logo [04:20] FloridaGuy: 'dist-upgrade' handles dependencies "intelligently". It won't hurt, and it might help. [04:21] nothing to upgrade [04:22] whats the commands for reslecting the plymouth themes [04:35] autocomplete abreviatin isn't working for me in kile === jackson_ is now known as jackson === owner is now known as supermagic [07:10] hello, can you help me? http://dpaste.com/295116/ [07:13] israfil: you have two ubuntus installed next to one another? [07:14] i have lucid on one partition and hardy on another [07:21] interesting === patrick-lazy is now known as patrick-lazy_ === patrick-lazy_ is now known as log-jam === log-jam is now known as patrick-lazy__ [07:42] Plasma desktop is suddenly unresponsive. [07:42] Rebooted, still no change. === sean is now known as Guest35191 [08:09] are you able to kill it? [08:25] what the difference between "Regular Kubuntu CD" and "Alternate Kubuntu CD" ? [08:26] elkng: the you will most likly want the regular, the alternative is generally used then the regular one wont do (text installer, for example) [08:27] can I use the "Alternate CD" to create live USB from live CD? [08:27] is it possible to do this without live installer with only text installer? [08:30] elkng: How to install from USB you can find there-> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick, yes you can use the alternate CD to create your USB install stick [08:30] elkng: no, if you want a live USB then you need the regular one [08:31] the ISO image is just run from the USB device, rather than a CD [08:31] tsimpson: sure? Can't use the alternate as live? [08:31] jhohn: the alternate CD image is text-only [08:32] yes, but if I want a text onnly live system? [08:32] both would install the same system in the end, but the install interfaces are different (GUI vs text) [08:32] depends what you mean exactly by "live" there [08:33] the ISO is just ran directly from the USB device as opposed to a CD-ROM [08:33] run a system from the USB Stick without installing [08:33] the only reason I want this CD is to create bootable USB flashdrive, am I able create one with text-installer? [08:33] so whatever is on the cd-image is run regardless of the medium [08:34] you can install to a USB device with both installers, but that's different from a "live" USB/CD [08:34] jhohn: the alternate CD has basic sh shell interface (not bash), but nothing special === Arthur is now known as ForgeAus [08:46] hey all :) so whats new with 10.10 ? === david is now known as Guest37628 [09:46] is there grub2 in Kubuntu 10.10 ? [09:48] yes [09:48] elkng: yes, there's an option to choose between grub2 and grub in the installer [09:48] !grub [09:48] grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - See !grub2 for Karmic onwards. [10:01] list === Guest37628 is now known as dhuerlimann === akssps011_ is now known as akssps011 [10:51] Anyone on? [10:51] I need help... [10:52] I just installed Kubuntu 10.10 [10:52] I need to know how to mount my Hitachi 500GB external USB drive... [10:55] Hello there! === yofel_ is now known as yofel [11:20] hey folks when is 4.6 rc2 for kubuntu out [11:23] anyone [11:25] no one :( [11:31] 4.6 rc2 for kubuntu coming out at all [11:34] comeon anyone [11:38] hello [11:38] hey [11:38] I have a anoying problem. [11:38] what is it? [11:39] When I use the compositing features of kwin I have sometimes no video (in vlc, dragon, kaffeine...). Miro crashes... . Disabling the compositing solves the problem [11:39] hmm [11:39] i had issues [11:40] what i did was install compiz [11:40] Rebooting also let's me use video and compositing for some time. But then the problem returns after a while. [11:40] can anybody help? Has anyone a idea what to do? [11:41] yea really try compiz it will fix [11:41] kwin is too buggy [11:41] so you say I should replace kwin with compiz? [11:41] yes [11:42] will fix issues [11:42] Isn't kwin needed for some kde-specific things like preview in the panel and so on? [11:42] just grab deb online and install [11:42] nope [11:42] i have compiz running [11:43] 4.6 rc2 for kubuntu coming out at all [11:43] and KDE is working as with comiz as with kwin? [11:45] hello, i use kubuntu hardy heron and installed the prorietary nvidia driver. The display stays really dark. Can i use kwriteconfig to set the brightnewss of the display? [11:46] hi [11:46] how to use kubantu? [11:47] kubuntu? [11:47] adiljan: what? [11:47] i am new for kubuntu [11:47] i am using ubuntu and i wanna try kubuntu now [11:48] i don't know much, but you could switch to the KDE. You don't need to install Kubuntu newly [11:49] I know [11:49] thank you [11:50] no problem [11:51] sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [11:52] thats how you switch [11:52] takes 1 hour [12:10] i use kubuntu hardy heron and installed the prorietary nvidia driver. The display stays really dark. Can i use kwriteconfig to set the brightnewss of the display? Or what else can i do? [12:30] Hi, I have a problem with my window decorations. I set the title bar to be green and it works for all themes, except qtcurve, where it just uses the default color of the widget style. Anyone has an idea where I can fix that? [12:39] hi, I've heard this chan is the good place to ask about PyKDE, is that right ? [12:40] daitheflu: #kubuntu-devel would be better than here, more coders there [12:41] tsimpson: thanks a lot :) [13:02] hello. Since i installed an proprietary nvidia driver my display stays really dark. What can i do? The nvidia-xserver-settings don't work well for me [13:03] i use kubuntu hardy heron. I tried the laptop-mode-tools, but they don't work === gnomelogger is now known as markeylogger === markeylogger is now known as apachelogger [13:52] when I try to run partitionmanager with kdesudo I get this message: kdesudo(3613) KDESu::KDESuPrivate::KCookie::getXCookie: No X authentication info set for display ":0" how can i fix that? [14:22] <84XABIUT3> hello all.. does someone know when this workaround will be used? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/604122 i need to put some files on my sd-card.. [14:22] Ubuntu bug 604122 in linux (Ubuntu) "mmc0: Got command interrupt 0x00030000 even though no command operation was in progress." [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:23] <84XABIUT3> in kubuntu-devel they telled me, there's already a solution which i found here.. what i've to do? [14:26] <84XABIUT3> i'm sorry when i stress, but i'm a bit in a hurry.. no one here wo know how i could send some files to my card? [15:03] Is there an IRC for upgrade problems when going from 10.04 to 10.10?? [15:04] Gargoyle1976, this is it [15:05] Gargoyle1976: ? [15:05] BluesKaj: hey man [15:05] ^^ [15:05] hi Peace- [15:06] Hi all [15:06] ok...I have tried to go to 10.10...but it keeps giving the error "can't calculate space(?) for the upgrade" then it bails out === syl is now known as Guest23280 [15:07] Gargoyle1976, how are you installing? [15:07] who can help me? === kaleo_ is now known as |kaleo| [15:07] btw...semi-new...definitely not afraid of CLI [15:07] KPackageKit [15:08] BluesKaj: Disttrubution upgrade [15:08] I cant update system fro kpackagekit because system is not see the updates [15:08] BluesKaj: man can't type today [15:09] Gargoyle1976, I'm not a fan of kpackagekit , why not just do , sudo do-release-upgrade , in the terminal [15:09] BluesKaj: Ok..I'll try [15:09] I have kubuntu 10.10 and kde 4.5.1, how i can update kde to 4,5,4, [15:09] Gargoyle1976, and firstly make sure you have no ppas added after you last install, in your sources.list [15:10] BluesKaj: I thought I had removed them all...I'll double check [15:11] who from RUSSIA? [15:11] !ru [15:11] Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке / Pozhalujsta posetite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke [15:11] !ru [15:11] Gargoyle1976, you can comment them out with # in front [15:12] BluesKaj: I can never remember...where is the file again? [15:12] Guest23280: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-454 [15:13] Guest23280, do this in th terminal then update : sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports , then, sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa [15:14] Gargoyle1976, alt +f2 , kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list [15:14] BluesKaj Thanks! [15:15] Gargoyle1976: how much space do you have on / ? [15:17] DaskreecH ~80GB /= ~100GB; /home= ~800GB; swap= ~10GB [15:18] Gargoyle1976: try sudo do-release-upgrade ? [15:18] BluesKaj: 'Could not calculate the upgrade' is the result. I have no other sources other than the main one...must be help packages [15:19] Gargoyle1976, have you done any upgrades pervios to this with in 10.04? [15:20] h DaskreecH. he did [15:21] how do i get the process id of a running program ? [15:22] rtdos, system monitor [15:23] where would it be located in my menu? [15:24] BluesKaj Like regular ones? [15:24] BluesKaj It states everything is up to date [15:24] rtdos, do need some one put your socks on for every morning too ? :) [15:26] Gargoyle1976, just try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade , first [15:26] blueskaj, i do not see it under menu > system or menu > utilities [15:26] BluesKaj OK [15:27] rtdos, kmenu /apps/system [15:28] blueskaj, i'm there but it's missing, can i execute it from the dialog box (or re-create the menu entry)? === owner is now known as supermagic [15:29] alt+f2 , system monitor [15:29] BluesKaj: got a 'Failed to read mirror file' warning [15:31] thanks, blues. === arian is now known as Guest19906 [15:35] Gargoyle1976, post your sources.list on pastebin, and post the resulting url here , so we can hae a look [15:36] Gargoyle1976, did the update quit or stall , or did it continue? [15:44] BluesKaj: working... [15:50] BluesKaj http://pastebin.com/M7eH2he3 [15:58] Gargoyle1976, is the update finished successfully , some mirrors aren't always available , that's no biggie. [15:59] is there a youtube video downloader for kde / kubuntu (or firefox) ? === owner_ is now known as supermagic [16:02] !youtube-dl | rtdos [16:03] rtdos, anyway install youtube-dl , it's a cli app [16:05] how can i activate kdm (now i have gdm activatet with gnome) [16:06] rethus, if you have kubuntu-desktop installed , start kdem at the login [16:06] err kdm [16:07] i have choosed gdm on ubuntu-desktop installation [16:07] so i see no dialoge to choose kdm or gdm [16:08] rethus, or, ctrl+alt+f1 , sudo service gdm stop , then sudo service kdm start [16:08] then startx [16:12] There will be packages of KDE 4.6 RC2 for 10.10, won't they? [16:14] i think yes [16:14] wait :) and reload sometime this [16:14] http://www.kubuntu.org/news [16:20] hm okay [16:20] the last time they became available on friday morning, but well, okay [16:20] as long as I get them :D since the RC1 is worse than Beta2 was [16:21] BajK_: ... dude you should not use rc if you want a stable system :) [16:21] BajK_: i have natty and lucid [16:21] lucid for stable [16:21] no upgrade [16:21] natty = the hell of upgrading xxD [16:21] it is stable ;D but there are just a few minor inconveniences [16:22] Are there already Alfa builds out of natty or is there the daily/nightly snapshots only atm? [16:22] whick kernel version does natty use? [16:23] natty here , there's a lot of changes happening today , 2.6.37-12-generic [16:24] Thx BluesKaj [16:24] BajK_, mostly daily / nightly "snapshots" [16:24] Will Ubuntu (not Kubuntu) 11.04 be shipped with Wayland or was that just some rumors? [16:25] do you know which version of kubuntu should I use for longer battery life on laptop? I use maverick with KDE - destkop release and battery lasts only half its normal time - 50 mins [16:25] buntu87: try installing TLP battery tools [16:26] BajK_: wayland? [16:26] hahaha [16:26] i hope no [16:26] what's wayland? [16:26] Peace-: X sucks. I hope they will go for Wayland at some time :) [16:26] BluesKaj: new server X [16:27] Peace-: display server, it has nothing to do with X [16:27] BluesKaj: o well a server x without a ltos of stuff [16:27] BluesKaj: improve performance = 0 [16:27] buntu87: TLP are some battery tools that allow you switching off many stuff you dont need (bluetooth, wifi, and stuff) [16:27] like that silly silverlight for IE ? [16:27] thanks again, blueskaj, works perfectly. [16:28] Peace-: hm [16:28] BajK_: which package is it? tlprender? [16:28] buntu87: you need an additional ppa installed ppa:linrunner/tlp [16:28] and then the package tlp becomes available [16:28] starting it with sudo tlp start && sudo tlp bat [16:29] this increased batteyr life on my notebook [16:29]