[00:26] <kim0> pleia2: hey :) I didn't know about that page .. is that some aggregator ?
[00:26] <kim0> pleia2: this youtube is an iframe (which seems to be the new preferred way) it seems it got stripped somehow
[00:27] <pleia2> I don't know what it is :) but it shows up in google searches pretty highly
[00:33] <kim0> pleia2: ok I just switched back to normal youtube embed .. guess it should show in a few mins .. Thanks for the heads up :)
[00:33] <pleia2> sure thing
[00:39] <nhandler> kim0: Looking through the results of a google search for 'site:http://www.ubuntu.com/content/', it looks like that is a mirror of Canonical Voices (or at least shows the same posts)
[02:34] <doctormo> greg-g: you might have to explain 1) to me some more.
[02:39] <greg-g> ahh, k... lemme read again what I said :)
[02:39] <greg-g> doctormo: the header of the second section where it explains CC licenses
[02:40] <greg-g> A) The Commons, 2) The Creative Commons, 3) Free and Open Source
[02:40] <greg-g> change 2) to "Free Culture"
[02:40] <greg-g> is my suggestion
[02:42] <doctormo> greg-g: I think I understand what your saying, having Creative Commons be a company is really complicating the ability to spread the ideas.
[02:43] <greg-g> well, Free Culture is a pretty well recognized and agreed upon phrase to refer to what you're tlaking about, really.
[02:44] <greg-g> and, as I said, is more closely related, semanticly, with Free/Open Source Software
[02:44] <greg-g> semantically* (ignore my ignorance on spelling right now, head cold)
[02:44] <doctormo> greg-g: Now I have to come up with a new title for the poster
[02:44] <greg-g> Free Culture doesn't work?
[02:45] <greg-g> why's that?
[02:46] <doctormo> greg-g: Free Culture can not both include Free and Open Source and exclude it.
[02:46] <doctormo> As a title of the whole thing I had it include FOSS and basic Commons. Now I have to think again.
[02:46] <greg-g> oh, I see
[02:47] <greg-g> hmmm
[02:53] <greg-g> doctormo: 2 ideas. 1) how about just the subtitle as the title? So, the title being "Sharing Ideas Freely"
[02:53] <greg-g> or 2) Leaving the "The Creative Commons" (but changing that first sentence of that section)
[02:54] <greg-g> (and keeping the current Free Culture title)
[02:57] <doctormo> greg-g: Would I get hunted down by mad dogs for using the trademark like that?
[03:00] <doctormo> greg-g: got any more examples of solid creative commons using projects?
[03:01] <greg-g> doctormo: I think you'll be fine :)
[03:01] <greg-g> and, lets see. You want music/movies?
[03:01] <nigelb> Morning.
[03:01] <greg-g> Nine Inch Nails, of course. Or Blender Foundation with it's movies
[03:02] <greg-g> flickr
[03:03] <doctormo> I'm not sure how solid Blender is with it's CC, flickr is about as CC as deviantArt I thought.
[03:03] <doctormo> I wonder if there are any educational projects, making course materials etc
[03:03] <greg-g> oh, MIT OCW
[03:04] <greg-g> Probably expand OCW to OpenCourseWare for clearness sake
[03:05] <JanC> “Dive Into Python 3” is a CC-BY-SA book
[03:05] <greg-g> good one, a lot of O'reilly books are now, right?
[03:06] <greg-g> also, PLoS (Public Library of Science, a publisher of Open Access and CC-licensed scientific journals)
[03:07] <greg-g> (CC:BY, actually, which is awesome)
[03:08] <nigelb> OCW is awesome.
[03:10] <greg-g> gotta put in a plug for a project I worked/work on: Open.Michigan, open.umich.edu  Sorry, couldn't help it :)
[03:13] <doctormo> OK I've updated the creative commons part, the title font and the foss text. Could you review rev 12 for me?
[03:13] <doctormo> http://imagebin.org/131406
[03:19] <greg-g> doctormo: capitalize the W in OpenCourseWare :)
[03:19] <greg-g> doctormo: also, that first sentence isn't reading clearly to me
[03:19] <doctormo> which first?
[03:20] <greg-g> the first of the CC section, sorry :)
[03:21] <doctormo> It's almost word for word the paragraph you gave me.
[03:21] <greg-g> almost
[03:21] <greg-g> there's an extra which
[03:21] <greg-g> and the creators don't give the license to anyone
[03:22] <doctormo> The only problem with your replacement, was that it doesn't flow well in the box.
[03:23] <greg-g> ah, well, if you stay with your wording, change the first which to "that"
[03:23] <doctormo> that's what I get for pasting without taking out the crlfs
[03:24] <greg-g> :)
[03:24] <doctormo> ok we have an exact match
[03:25] <doctormo> greg-g: Now the ultimate test, if I printed one out and sent it to you, would you have the courage to post it up in your library?
[03:25] <greg-g> definitely
[03:26] <doctormo> The aim here was to produce something that could say a lot, in a short space, without being boring.
[03:27] <greg-g> I think you did a good job, doctormo
[04:55] <nigelb> jcastro: around?
[05:09] <jono> http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/01/07/making-ubuntu-more-personal/
[05:11] <nigelb> deep post :)
[07:22] <dholbach> good morning
[07:41] <jussi> morning all
[08:30] <nigelb> Morning dholbach , jussi
[08:30] <nigelb> jussi: is the leg better?
[08:30] <jussi> nigelb: no.
[08:30] <dholbach> hi nigelb
[08:30]  * nigelb hugs jussi 
[08:30] <jussi> nigelb: still hurts like **** but its getting there.
[08:31] <nigelb> jussi: I had an ankle strain from the accident.  I know how it feels.
[09:18] <czajkowski> Aloha
[13:58] <jcastro> buenas mornings
[13:59] <dholbach> hola jcastro
[15:20] <jcastro> ok, so the social network soundtrack is pretty awesome
[15:38] <czajkowski> not usually a lover of this kinda music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ0sW7KOFhU  however today it's helping dealing with my inbox from hell
[15:55] <duanedesign_> hello all. HOpe the new year is treating everyone well.
[16:00] <jcastro> hi duanedesign_
[16:02] <duanedesign_> hello mr castro.
[16:03] <nigelb> hey jcastro, duanedesign_
[16:03] <nigelb> jcastro: thanks for reply :)
[16:03] <duanedesign_> mr nigel hello
[16:04] <jcastro> nigelb: which one, "I have no clue ask jono?" :)
[16:05] <nigelb> jcastro: that one :p
[16:05] <nigelb> jcastro: Will you be coming?
[16:05] <jcastro> no
[16:05] <jcastro> I know some people are going from Canonical, I am not sure who though
[16:05] <nigelb> jcastro: any of the folks the community might know/
[16:06] <jcastro> not sure, I would think so
[16:06] <nigelb> hrm
[16:06] <nigelb> I missed uds very badly.
[16:06] <duanedesign_> what are we talking about?
[16:06] <nigelb> should've been there.
[16:06] <duanedesign_> we missed you nigelb
[16:06] <nigelb> duanedesign_: Ubuntu developer day in Bangalore.
[16:07] <duanedesign_> aha
[16:07] <nigelb> duanedesign_: I missed you all too.
[16:07] <duanedesign_> i'd love to go to india
[16:07] <nigelb> jcastro: would you have time for a PM?
[16:08] <jcastro> give me a few hours
[16:09] <jcastro> I need to undig myself out of a hole
[16:09] <nigelb> jcastro: hah, sort of similar here.
[16:11]  * czajkowski offers jcastro a JCB digger
[16:15] <akgraner> woo hoo had to share - can't help it - the main part of the house is in and they are setting the roof now - woo hoo !!!  Happy Freakin' Dance Time - just had to share
[16:15] <akgraner> ps - missed y'all!  More later :-)
[16:15] <czajkowski> wow that was quick
[16:16] <czajkowski> then I remember yer build houses on timber frames
[16:16] <czajkowski> akgraner: nice!
[16:16] <akgraner> it seemed slow to me - but the reality is  - it's guick..
[16:17] <akgraner> I chose a modular that was a demo model - so we didn't have to wait for them to build all the pieces, they were already to go...
[16:17] <akgraner> just had to wait on insurance, and the weather to line up
[16:18] <czajkowski> akgraner: fantastic news, congrats
[16:19] <popey> yay akgraner !
[16:19] <popey> nice one
[16:20] <akgraner> thanks popey !  I have this box I need to send your house - it might make there by spring :-/
[16:20] <akgraner> anywho..I won't distract you all any more... have a super-fantabulas day - weekend etc... - thanks y'all ! <insert a million silly grins here)  gotta go do some work now..but like Frosty, I'll be back again some day!
[16:21] <czajkowski> akgraner: toodles
[16:22] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day - see you all on monday - have a great WE!
[16:23] <nigelb> good night dholbach
[16:23] <czajkowski> dholbach: toodles
[16:24]  * popey thinks having "toodles" on hilight was unwise when I share so many channels with czajkowski 
[16:24] <czajkowski> oops
[16:24] <czajkowski> sorry
[16:35] <popey> not your fault
[16:36] <nigelb> popey: hey
[16:40] <popey> hullo nigelb
[16:40] <popey> hows tricks?
[16:46] <nigelb> popey: not bad
[16:47] <nigelb> popey: I managed to get somone for the security talk :D
[16:47] <nigelb> popey: Now I'm trying to figure out, how to get you in it
[16:47] <nigelb> :D
[16:50] <nigelb> popey: it = user days
[16:50] <jcastro> jono: camera reminder
[16:52] <jono> jcastro cheers
[16:53] <jcastro> rally checklist
[16:53] <jcastro> laptop - check
[16:54] <jcastro> camera - check
[16:54] <jcastro> flying v - dang, won't fit in luggage
[16:54] <nigelb> flying WHAT?
[16:54] <popey> nigelb: i already said yes, and offered a couple of talks
[16:54] <nigelb> popey: oh.
[16:55] <nigelb> popey: What do you want me to put you down for?
[16:59] <popey> I'll have a think and edit the wiki later
[16:59] <popey> remind me if i dont
[16:59] <nigelb> sure, will
[16:59] <nigelb> will do
[16:59]  * czajkowski reminds popey about other stuff 
[16:59] <popey> I'm in this evening, feel free :)
[16:59]  * czajkowski sends popey to the bold corner 
[17:01] <JFo> the <b></b> corner
[17:02]  * JFo doesn't remember his html... 
[17:02] <JFo> not positive that is bold :-)
[17:02] <JFo> <-not in possesion of clue today
[17:03] <czajkowski> JFo: careful or you'll follow him mister
[17:03]  * czajkowski is dealing with twats in hotels today who don't seem to want the work 
[17:05] <nigelb> JFo: that is bold or <strong></strong> ;)
[17:05] <JFo> meh ;-)
[17:05] <JFo> html is such an outdated language :-P
[17:06] <nigelb> JFo: html5 rocks
[17:07] <JFo> sez you ;)
 != <strong/>
[17:07] <nigelb> JanC: no.  But it does give the same effect most of the time
[17:07] <JFo> please continue to read my statements with the normal level of sarcasm from me
[17:08] <nigelb> JFo: Of course
[17:08] <JFo> :-D
[17:08] <nigelb> JFo: btw, did I ask you about the kernel session for uud?
[17:08] <JanC> depends on the designer's preferences really
[17:09] <JanC> it could be ALLCAPS or blinking red on yellow or whatever  ;)
[17:09] <nigelb> yeah,but default is generally bold
[17:10] <czajkowski> nigelb: you did you've asked most in here most days now
[17:11] <nigelb> czajkowski: I've spoken to far too many people in the past few days.
[17:11] <nigelb> czajkowski: some agree, some busy.
[17:11] <czajkowski> nigelb: see now why I said, use email rather than irc :) better way to track it
[17:11] <nigelb> czajkowski: now that makes sense :)
[17:11] <czajkowski> indeed, every day every channel I have it
[17:11] <czajkowski> from you
[17:12] <nigelb> oh no.
[17:12] <nigelb> czajkowski: Also, we emailed everyone.
[17:12] <nigelb> czajkowski: No one responded.  So I had to do a little chat up and convince people.
[17:13] <nigelb> That's what it boils down to *every* time.
[17:23] <czajkowski> mayeb there is little interest..
[17:23] <czajkowski> or the same people are having to do it
[18:10] <sense> good evening
[18:10] <jcastro> hiya sense
[18:10] <jcastro> how's things?
[18:10] <sense> hi jcastro
[18:11] <sense> jcastro: Busy, I'm already preparing for my next test week, and since I got an offer from Cambridge, I need to work really hard to pass the conditions.
[18:11] <jcastro> that's really great dude
[18:11] <jcastro> will you be moving if you pass?
[18:11] <sense> I'm exited about it. :)
[18:11] <sense> I will be moving to Cambridge if I pass, otherwise probably Amsterdam, Python was invented there. ;)
[18:11] <sense> jcastro: How're you doing?
[18:12] <Pendulum> sense: good luck :)
[18:12] <jcastro> good good
[18:13] <jcastro> sense: got evan from chromium talking to DBO about some unity integration, getting the window widgets and whatnot sorted
[18:13] <sense> Pendulum: thx
[18:13] <jcastro> I kind of stumbled into it so if they sort it it will make my day
[18:13] <sense> jcastro: That's good news!
[18:13] <sense> Everything's becoming more and more integrated now.
[18:13] <jcastro> sense: I dunno if you saw but someone from the SWT team was in #ayatana asking about it for Eclipse
[18:13] <jcastro> that would be another nice win as well.
[18:14] <sense> yeah, if we could that in, that would be awesome
[18:14] <jcastro> and cando's got quicklists almost ready for the trash can
[18:15] <jcastro> which for some reason I've really missed
[18:15] <sense> Yeah, I heard about that. People are doing nice work on the Unity bitesize bugs.
[21:20] <jcastro> http://i.imgur.com/VWydT.jpg
[21:21] <sense> jono: Are you aware of the Bug Squad's mentorship efforts? We've been trying for a while now to set up a working mentor system, but it has been very hard. At the last UDS we even moved away from 1-1 relations, because it had proven to be not sustainable. We have a lack of active and motived mentors, and a lack of students that stay active and motivated.
[21:21] <sense> jcastro:  Lol. That is so cruel. :D
[21:21] <sense> But a wise parenting effort!
[21:23] <sense> jono: Mentoring takes a lot of time and energy, and a lot of people would rather contribute a collected one our per week of helping people on IRC, than having to spend a lot of time mentoring students who might leave the project shortly anyway. It reminds me of what you said about contributing two hours per week consistently, or only two full days without sleep in a row.
[21:25] <sense> Councils and such help us to make up for that by consolidating all those separate small contributions into one collective pool.
[21:28] <jono> sense, I agree, and as I said in the post, I know mentoring is tough, but I do think we could build more of an environment around mentoring
[21:28] <sense> Maybe make people more aware they are part of a P2P mentoring process. :)
[21:29] <sense> Because that is basically what we are: a P2P community, everyone contributing his or her little or big part.
[21:29] <sense> Although you are definitely right on the importance of 1-to-1 relations. By making it more personal, people will be more inclined to stay.
[21:31] <pleia2> the beginners team has had a sucessful mentoring program for a long time too, and one of this cycle's blueprints for ubuntu women is working with BT and other teams' mentoring programs to expand our own
[21:32] <czajkowski> whooo locoteams have started to receive their banners and gifts from canonical :D
[21:32] <sense> czajkowski: yeah, they're wonderful, but a bit smelly.
[21:32] <sense> :)
[21:32] <czajkowski> pleia2: my issues wth the BT and mentors is some of the mentors that are there are not really suitable, one person has been refused membership at least 3 times now. He doesnt actually do anything.. or know a lot tbh
[21:32] <czajkowski> sense: just glad folks can use them now.
[21:33] <pleia2> czajkowski: yes, it's one of the many challenges of a mentoring program
[21:33] <czajkowski> pleia2: nods
[21:33] <sense> czajkowski: Now we can replace our old Ubuntu banner and other brown stuff.
[21:33] <czajkowski> sense: how did ye gets yers if yer unapproved?
[21:33] <czajkowski> hmmm
[21:34] <sense> czajkowski: Was there a decision?
[21:34] <sense> czajkowski: I didn't hear anything yet.
[21:35] <czajkowski> well you said you have them
[21:35] <czajkowski> so I'm wondering
[21:35] <czajkowski> on the bug 5/6 of us have voted
[21:35] <ubot2> czajkowski: Bug 5 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/5 is private
[21:36] <sense> czajkowski: When will we/I get a response?
[21:36] <sense> Was I supposed to be subscribed to that bug report or not? Because I think I am not.
[21:36] <czajkowski> it's a private bug for the LC let me go poke folks
[21:36] <JanC> not sure why it's private...?
[21:37] <JanC> as voting during a meeting is public too...
[21:37] <sense> true
[21:38] <czajkowski> JanC: as LC bugs we've created them so we can work on things easier than on mail and track them
[21:38] <czajkowski> so we create a bug and then work off that
[21:41] <sense> JanC: Do you have the tablecloth and banner for FOSDEM?
[21:42] <JanC> I got 2 packages from UPS today, yes  ☺
[21:43] <sense> good
[21:45] <JanC> actually, they pushed it through the mail slot in my front door--fortunately it wasn't something that could get hurt easily...   :P
[21:45] <sense> awww
[21:46] <jcastro> jono: I'm closing up shop soon, I'll see you on Sunday!
[21:46] <jono> jcastro, see you on Sunday, pal!
[21:46] <jono> jcastro, quick q
[21:46] <jcastro> sure sure
[21:47] <jono> do you know if you can write Banshee extensions in Python?
[21:47] <jcastro> I don't think so, I think they have this python-like thing called Boo
[21:47] <jono> write
[21:47]  * jcastro investigates
[21:50] <JanC> using IronPython should work too I guess?
[21:50] <jono> I imagine so
[21:55] <jcastro> man, not alot of info on this
[21:55] <jcastro> jono: what kind of extension are you interested in btw?
[21:56] <jcastro> they have an entire quickly-like workflow for extensions, but it's for c#
[21:57] <nigelb> duanedesign: around?
[21:57] <jono> jcastro, I basically want to make a Severed Fifth extension
[21:58]  * jcastro nods
[21:58] <jono> see http://www.severedfifth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=141
[21:58] <jono> I think it could be awesome if inside Banshee
[21:59] <jcastro> yeah, integrated like the store is, but for an artist, like those dedicated apps they have on phones
[21:59] <jcastro> I'll ask around
[22:00] <jono> jcastro, exactly
[22:00] <JanC> I hope not every band will make a Banshee-extension...   ;)
[22:00] <jcastro> JanC: only the good ones
[22:00] <jono> JanC, I think it is unlikely
[22:00] <jono> and I think it would be cool to have it shippable on Ubuntu
[22:00] <jcastro> it would be cool if you could just go to the website, click on a link, and have an extension
[22:00] <czajkowski> heh
[22:00] <jcastro> with the albums right there available to you
[22:00] <jono> I am either going to do a Banshee app or dedicated Quickly app
[22:01] <jono> jcastro, totally
[22:01] <jono> the cool thing is that I could ship the music with the app :-)
[22:01] <jcastro> and then, drag and drop it to your friend in empathy and have it load right into their banshee
[22:01] <jcastro> that is totally doable
[22:01] <jcastro> "jorge would like to share Severed Fifth with you"
[22:02] <JanC> well, the U1MS has a way to link to songs, even if it didn't work last time I checked...  ;)
[22:03] <jono> I might hack something and propose it for inclusion in the software center
[22:04] <jono> I got much of the way through a Shot Of Jaq app
[22:04] <jono> I think I might use that code
[22:04] <sense> Band-specific plugins are things that would be perfect for the Software Center, to populate it with things people might find interesting.
[22:04] <sense> good appstore material
[22:04] <jcastro> jono: this would be good brainstorm material for sunday, let me think about it
[22:04] <jono> sense, exactly
[22:04] <jono> jcastro, sure
[22:04] <jono> I might hack on something on the plane
[22:05] <JanC> the problem is, do we want people to accumulate 50 band-plugins and then write blogs that Banshee takes 15 minutes to start?  ;)
[22:05] <jcastro> jono: on a related note
[22:05] <jcastro> you remember that network sync thing you guys did for your one app?
[22:05] <jcastro> I forgot what it did, something juvenille. :p
[22:05] <jono> yeah
[22:05] <jono> lolocopter
[22:05] <jcastro> yeah
[22:06] <jcastro> so, my extension idea is ... that + a shared queue over avahi = sprint jukebox
[22:06] <jcastro> everyone just throws the music they want in the queue, and you have like a shared experience
[22:07] <jono> sounds cool :-)
[22:07] <jcastro> I need to get this lottery thing out of the way so I can pay someone to make all these ideas
[22:08] <AlanBell> a shared music experience with jono . . . what could possibly go wrong?
[22:09] <AlanBell> :)
[22:09] <jcastro> AlanBell: well, you'd have to hardcode in blacklisting his music, but there's plenty of precendence for that
[22:12] <jono> AlanBell, haha
[22:15] <jcastro> libbacon - death metal blacklister, for those applications with impeccable musical taste
[22:16] <czajkowski> I am convienced U1 music store objects to my music taste I have issues iwth downloads lately, but the folks over in ubuntuone usually resolve it for me.
[22:17] <JanC> I am waiting for them to fix several issues so that I can actually use it...  ;)
[22:26] <sense> good night
[22:36] <doctormo> JanC: are these issues with natty?
[22:40] <JanC> the main issue I reported was that Mastercard payments are not possible even if they are listed, so more of a server-side issue
[22:41] <JanC> and if I understood correctly, it's actually a 7digital-issue
[23:42] <doctormo> jcastro: what's the reputation cap on ask?