/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/01/07/#ubuntu-desktop.txt

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* JackyAlcine looks around; wonders if anyone's alive.07:59
didrocksgood morning08:16
pittiGood morning08:26
didrocksGuten Morgen pitti, how are you?08:30
pittiI'm great, thanks! how are you?08:30
pittiwrap-up and packing day today :)08:30
didrocksstill a little cold, but that will be fixed by tomorrow evening I guess :)08:30
didrocksand yeah, need to pack this afternoon as well08:31
pittikenvandine: is bug 666511 fixed in natty?08:39
ubot2Launchpad bug 666511 in tomboy (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 4 other projects) "Note data loss with Tomboy sync to Ubuntu One, for notes created in Gnote (affects: 1) (heat: 55)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66651108:39
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seb128hello!09:30
pittibonjour Monsieur!09:30
seb128hey pitti09:30
seb128how are you?09:30
pittipretty well, thanks! looking forward to the sprint09:31
seb128;-)09:31
pittijust got my flight tickets09:31
pittistill want to wrap up some stuff today to have a clean table09:32
seb128pitti, got your flight tickets?09:33
seb128pitti, like switched back from eticket to printed paper ones?09:34
pittiseb128: boarding passes, I mean09:34
seb128oh ok09:34
pittiseb128: no, to my phone of course09:34
pittiemail with a QR code attachment09:34
seb128right09:34
pittiseb128: my printer has been pretty broken for the last year, it's very faint09:34
pittibut as I almost never have to print stuff, I didn't get a new one yet09:35
seb128I need to update the wiki, my flight infos are wrong there I think09:35
pittiI can get mobile tickets for the trains, flights, etc.09:35
seb128yeah, my printer is out of order as well...09:35
mvopitti: oh, that works for trains now too? thats cool09:35
seb128but I don't do tickets, I just go the airport with my passport and they sort if for me :p09:35
pittisince I got an ebook and a smartphone, my printer is just collecting dust :)09:35
pittimvo: for ages already, yes; pretty nice09:35
pittimvo: they send you an MMS09:36
pittimvo: you can ask bahn.de for sending you a test ticket, to see if it works09:36
pittimvo: you just have to live with the conductor's stamp marks on your mobile :-P09:37
mvopitti: lol09:39
mvopitti: cool, I was not aware of this, thats cool09:40
pittimvo: you essentially get the matrix code that you also have on the printed tickets09:40
pittimvo: i. e. they use the very same scanners09:40
* mvo nods09:41
rodrigo_morning09:59
pittihey rodrigo_09:59
didrocksgood morning rodrigo_09:59
geserkenvandine: I tried to create a branch for the ido change you sponsored yesterday, but LP doesn't allow me to create a branch (bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "~geser/ido/fix-linking-no-add-needed/": : You cannot create branches in "~geser/ido").10:35
seb128heh11:02
seb128pitti, you clean asac's bugs? what did he pay you to do the work? ;-)11:03
seb128if you want to clean my bugs please do ;-)11:03
pittiseb128: you couldn't afford it11:04
pittiasac promised me half of his house, 50 sheep, and free beer for a lifetime11:04
seb128hum, yeah, it's over my budget11:04
seb128:-)11:04
pittiseb128: Jason asked me to, as asac is not really active on the desktop any more; so I went through, cleaned up, and fished out the important ones11:05
seb128ok11:05
seb128pitti, do we have a way to track what bugs come from team assignment?11:06
seb128like bugs assigned to the team and dispatched11:07
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pittiseb128: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-desktop-team-assigned-bug-tasks.html ?11:07
seb128in opposite to pet bugs people assigned themself11:07
seb128pitti, will that will list pet bugs from team members as well?11:07
pittiChris wins :)11:07
seb128ideally we only want to track the first ones11:07
pittiseb128: it's "bugs assigned to c-d-t" and "bugs assigned to c-d-t members"11:07
seb128right11:08
pittiseb128: but we don't have a list of bugs that were originally assigned to cdt and then moved to some person11:08
seb128things is "c-d-t members bugs" include pet bugs and assigned bugs11:08
pittithat'd be quite hard to track11:08
pittiright11:08
seb128well that's what we would like to track11:08
pittibut a lot of bugs get directly assigned as well, no?11:08
seb128those are the bugs that we should aim at fixing11:08
pittimeh, I'm not sure what happens, but it seems to me that each new firefox gets slower11:09
seb128well "official" escalation go through the team usually11:09
seb128I'm just trying to figure how we go to stop dropping bugs on the way11:09
seb128they go to the team, then are dispatched then we stop tracking them efficiently11:09
pittithe expectancy is that people care about the bugs assigned to them11:10
pittiif not, then this doesn't work, of course11:10
pittibut at some point each member has to check "their" bugs11:10
seb128I'm pretty sure it doesn't happen in practice11:11
seb128see some of the bugs you just unassigned from asac11:11
JackyAlcineGuys, I want to push a patch for pulseaudio, but I can't for some reason.11:19
pittioh, today's CDs have banshee now11:20
pittididrocks: ^ you didn't unseed rhythmbox at the same time?11:20
pittididrocks: CDs are now oversized, banshee added some 4.5 MB11:20
pittidropping RB and the plugins shoudl help a bit11:20
didrockspitti: I didn't recreate the ubuntu-desktop metapackage, thinking we were waiting for other changes11:20
didrockspitti: that should have been pulled it again, doing an upload now11:21
pittididrocks: about 1.5 MB actually11:21
pittididrocks: hm, perhaps banshee is a dependency of something11:21
didrockspitti: no, it's just that we install ubuntu-desktop which, as not being refreshed, still recommends rhythmbox, isn't it?11:21
pittididrocks: right11:22
pittididrocks: but what pulls in banshee then?11:22
pittiI don't see an rdepends11:22
didrockspitti: I changed the seed11:22
pittithat alone wouldn't pull it in, though11:22
didrocksoh really?11:22
pittiif you change "desktop", you need to rebuild the meta packge11:23
didrocksI was thinking that changing the seed -> impacts the CD with or without having it in the metapackage11:23
pittihm11:23
pitticould be11:23
pittibut I thought it wasn't11:23
didrockswell, at least, let's refresh the metapackage now, on it once it will be downloaded with my slow connexion :)11:24
pittididrocks: I can do it as well11:24
pittididrocks: I'll update it then, don't worry11:24
asacdidrocks: can you get banshee seeded?11:25
pittiasac: already happened11:25
didrocksasac: it's done11:25
didrockspitti: ok, thanks :)11:25
asacah11:25
asac;)11:25
asacok setting MIR bug back to fix committed11:25
pittiasac: why? it got promoted11:25
asacoh even that11:25
asacwell ... doko bounced it back to incomplete11:25
pittisomeone jumped on the promotion right after the MIR got approved11:25
pittioh11:25
asac(because it was not seeded)11:25
pittiah11:25
pittiso, sounds like "fix released" then11:26
asacok doing11:26
* pitti sheds a tear for rhythmbox11:26
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asacdone11:26
pittiI still don't like banshee11:26
asacpitti: rhythmbox will come back strong11:26
asacthrough arm team ;)11:26
Laney still available in the archive ;-)11:26
seb128well rb is still there11:26
pittiasac: or through apt-get install :)11:26
* Laney weeps for f-spot11:26
asachehe11:26
seb128Laney, hey11:26
Laneyhiya11:26
seb128Laney, speaking of f-spot I synced the new version from debian for you11:26
Laneyyeah I noticed, thanks11:27
seb128Laney, that was ok right? ;-)11:27
Laneyforgot to do that!11:27
seb128you're welcome11:27
pittiI noticed that shotwell has a nonexisting search for photos (by tag and date range), otherwise it's quite nice11:27
pittiI'd like to say "give me all photos which have tags a and b from teh last 3 years"11:28
seb128yeah, it rocks11:28
Laneyit definitely has more manpower11:28
Laneyso better from that pov11:28
pittiit seems quite odd to have a ncie support for XMP and tagging, and then not being able to actually use the tags11:28
seb128did you check if there is some bugs about that?11:28
pittiI will11:28
LaneyI wrote a photo manager for my undergraduate degree which did that11:28
pittididrocks: u-m uploaded11:29
didrockspitti: thanks :)11:29
pittiseb128: bug 625331 (has upstream bug, too)11:30
ubot2Launchpad bug 625331 in shotwell (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Multiple-tag research is not available (affects: 4) (heat: 39)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62533111:30
pittiseb128: ah, and arbitrary searches is http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/158711:30
pittiso it seems I'm not the first one :)11:30
pitti(would have surprised me)11:30
^arky^Hi, How solve this error "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lz"11:33
geser^arky^: do you have zlib1g-dev installed?11:44
^arky^geser, nope I am installing it now thanks11:51
kamstrupmvo: can you help  me? my latest upgrade corrupted /var/lib/dpkg/available - do you know how I can regenerate it?12:05
sorenkamstrup: dselect update12:09
sorenkamstrup: See the --update-avail help in dpkg(1)'s man page for info.12:09
kamstrupsoren: thanks! that worked :-)12:10
sorenkamstrup: np :)12:10
mvokamstrup: corrupted it in what way? might be interessting to diagnose what happend and why12:11
kamstrupmvo: I got errors from dpkg when I tried to install something: dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 0:12:12
kamstrup field name `/lib/modules/2.6.37-12-generic/kernel/drivers/i2c/algos/i2c-algo-bit.ko' must be followed by colon12:12
kamstrupthe first line contained a lot of garbage data12:12
kamstrupremoving that there where another similar garbage chunk in line 10212:13
kamstrupit was prolly related to my last upgrade which had a weird error during the kernel installation12:13
* korben greets all12:13
mvokamstrup: ok, sounds scary, usually its some sort of memory corupption, often HW when this happens12:14
kamstrupmvo: eeek - don't freak me out like that :-)12:14
mvoheh :) sorry for sounding alarming12:15
* mvo mumbles about backups12:15
kamstrupmvo: "Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it" -- Linus12:22
didrockshey korben12:23
mvokamstrup: haha - good answer!12:33
korbenhey all ;-)12:35
gnomefreakwas the launcher bar in "Desktop Edition" in Natty removed for a reason. seems that "Desktop Edition" and "Classic Edition" are the same now12:39
gnomefreaklauncher bar == the one along the left side of screen12:40
seb128didrocks, ^12:41
didrocksgnomefreak: do you have unity installed?12:41
seb128mvo, what is the official way to trigger a "restart is required"?12:41
seb128mvo, do you ever consider doing a "restart your session is required"?12:41
pittididrocks: current daily desktop still starts gnome-panel under unity, is that expected?12:41
gnomefreakdidrocks: yes but let me check12:42
mvoseb128: sudo /usr/share/update-notifier/notify-reboot-required  ; sudo touch /var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp12:42
didrockspitti: it's not, maybe the checker is timeouting12:42
mvoseb128: the touch later is just for testing12:42
pittiseb128: call /usr/share/update-notifier/notify-reboot-required12:42
didrockspitti: you are running it under virtualbox?12:42
pittididrocks: no, on the mini 1012:42
gnomefreakdidrocks: unity Installed: 3.2.8-0ubuntu112:42
pittididrocks: oh, does unity work in VB now?12:42
mvoseb128: this will be done automatically when dpkg finished, so if you do it in the maintainer script just call the notify-reboot-required script12:42
seb128mvo, pitti: ok, thanks, I though we were supposed to drop a file in a directory for some reason12:42
didrockspitti: with VB4, it is12:42
pittiseb128: that's what the script does12:42
mvoseb128: session restart, sure, that hsould be easy to do12:42
pittiseb128: but it cares about translation and all that12:43
seb128ok, great12:43
didrockspitti: can you try: /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test && echo $?12:43
pittididrocks: "0"12:43
seb128didrocks, if the checker was timeouting you wouldn't get unity running though?12:44
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didrocksok, can you put IsRunnableHelper=/bin/true in /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/ubuntu.session12:44
didrocksseb128: it can, I didn't changed (yet) to unset the env variable if the session isn't set as I was certain we would get issue with the checker12:45
seb128didrocks, could you just comment the line to do the same?12:45
didrocksgnomefreak: maybe same issue12:45
seb128ok12:45
didrocksseb128: not sure, I don't remember on the code, can check12:45
seb128mvo, is the system or session restart thing worth doing you think?12:45
didrocksat least, /bin/true works for sure12:45
seb128ok12:45
gnomefreakdidrocks: thanks. its seems for some reason unity wasnt loading12:46
didrocksgnomefreak: can you try /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test && echo $?12:46
mvoseb128: what apps will need a session restart?12:47
seb128https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/gconf/ubuntu-gsettings-trigger/+merge/4542712:48
seb128mvo, ^ btw if you want to review the check function that would be welcome12:48
seb128nessita, hello!12:49
nessitahello everyone!12:49
mvoseb128: thanks, we can add the session-restart feature during the sprint, should be straightforward12:49
mvoseb128: well, mostly :)12:50
seb128mvo, do you want a bug?12:50
rodrigo_hi nessita12:51
mvoseb128: nää, we see each other on sunday and you will nag me anyway, I know you12:51
nessitahi rodrigo_, seb12812:51
seb128mvo, right, I can even poke you during night if needed ;-)12:52
mvoriiiiiiiight12:53
gnomefreakdidrocks: what was the command again?12:53
gnomefreakit seems unity isnt running by default12:53
didrocksgnomefreak: /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test ; echo $?12:53
gnomefreakdidrocks: all i got was a 0 after that command12:54
didrocksgnomefreak: ok, so it should launch12:55
soren7win 6112:55
sorenWhoops12:55
didrocksgnomefreak: when do you run "unity", do you get it?12:55
didrockss/do//12:55
gnomefreakdidrocks: yes when i ran unity from command line it launched12:55
didrocksgnomefreak: ok, from a fresh login in the ubuntu desktop session, can you try env | grep COMP12:57
gnomefreakgnomefreak@Development:~$ env | grep COMP12:58
gnomefreakCOMPIZ_CONFIG_PROFILE=ubuntu12:58
gnomefreakthat is from this session. where i didnt run unity. login refuses to load unity on its own12:58
seb128is there anything in .xsession-errors?12:59
gnomefreakseb128: didrocks http://paste.ubuntu.com/551466/13:00
didrocksgnome-session[2196]: WARNING: Had to kill '/usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test' helper13:00
didrocksso, it's timeouting13:00
seb128how much is the timeout?13:01
didrocks500ms13:01
seb128I guess it takes longer than that to run...13:01
didrocksbut it still should launch compiz + unity + gnome-panel13:01
seb128well if the check fails it shouldn't?13:01
didrocksseb128: depends, works well here, ~200 ms at cold start was the worst case13:01
seb128well your box might be faster than others13:02
didrocksseb128: as told before, it's going to the fallback section13:02
didrocksknowing that some false positive can happened, it launches for now unity + gnome-panel13:02
seb128ok13:02
seb128weird then13:02
didrocksbut in any case, it should launch it…13:02
seb128didrocks, I guess change the check to "sleep 1" and see what happens?13:03
seb128or sh -c sleep 113:03
seb128or a wrapper calling it13:03
didrocksseb128: what happens is what pitti is seeing in the daily build on his mini10v13:03
didrocksseb128: I aready tested it :)13:03
seb128didrocks, why is pitti's one going to fallback btw? timeout as well?13:03
didrocksseb128: yeah, timeout I guess, hence my question of using /bin/true to test it's really the case13:04
seb128or check .xsession-errors13:04
didrocksbut if it's a timeout, this behavior is expected13:04
didrocksgnomefreak's one isn't13:04
seb128right13:05
gnomefreakdidrocks: one isnt?13:05
didrocksgnomefreak: the behavior you are seeing13:05
didrocksmeaning no unity13:05
gnomefreakyeah i know i kind of miss it13:06
didrocksgnomefreak: if you change to /bin/true as told above, do you see unity running?13:07
gnomefreakdidrocks: sorry i was lost. you want me to run unity with an argument /bin/true13:09
didrocksgnomefreak: 13:44:42    didrocks | ok, can you put IsRunnableHelper=/bin/true in /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/ubuntu.session13:10
gnomefreakdidrocks: should i leave IsRunnableHelper=/usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test in there?13:13
didrocksgnomefreak: no, replace it please13:13
gnomefreakok13:13
gnomefreakok done. i guess ill reboot and let you know if it loads. thanks13:14
mvodidrocks: can I haz timezone display in the unity clock ?13:16
seb128lol13:16
seb128mvo, you wish ;-)13:16
didrocksmvo: depends how much you pay ted :)13:17
pittiI can haz proper time format before?13:17
mvothat too!13:17
mvoproper timeformat +++13:17
pittiDear U.S., last time I checked a day had 24 hours, not 12!!!111!!one!13:18
didrocks:)13:18
JackyAlcineLOLL13:18
cyphermoxhi13:19
pittihey cyphermox, good morning13:19
cyphermoxpitti, hey13:19
cyphermoxI noticed you did a few reassignments for bugs in NM? :)13:19
pitticyphermox: yeah, I cleaned up asac's desktop-ish bugs and fished out the ones which we should really look at13:20
didrockshey cyphermox13:20
pitticyphermox: I think you earned two of them13:20
cyphermoxhey didrocks13:20
cyphermoxpitti, sure13:20
pitticyphermox: if you don't have time for them, please just unassign, but I wanted to run these by you at least13:20
cyphermoxthere's a couple you touched that I saw are for sure fixed13:20
pitticyphermox: yes, I'm sure that 80% of the bug reports are either fixed or obsolete in a different way13:20
cyphermoxI'll just fish out the commit numbers and say in which release they are fixed, then we can figure out whether it's sru-able13:21
pitticyphermox: I didn't do a full triaging job, just cleaning up asac's bug as per jasoncwarner's and marjo's request13:21
cyphermoxsure... I should have done so long ago13:21
pitticyphermox: don't worry too much about it for now; if you could have a look at the two I sent to you, that'd be great, but don't take it as "OMGmustfixnow"13:21
cyphermoxpitti, i can go in omgmustfixnow mode shortly, I just want to fix one string and I can upload a new revision of nm-applet with the icons and everything13:22
pittino hurry13:23
pitticyphermox: e. g. the "netdev" one is just cleanup, but not urgent in any way13:23
pitticyphermox: perhaps you should coordinate with pedro_ about a hug day for NM, to get them back to a sane level?13:23
cyphermoxyes13:23
cyphermoxuh-oh, can't right click :/13:24
pittibought a Mac?13:24
cyphermoxhahaha13:24
cyphermoxno, using unity :)13:24
cyphermoxdidrocks, I guess you may have gotten bug reports about those -- context menus, indicator menus, etc... menus in general painting behind the desktop or something?13:25
didrockscyphermox: yep, known compiz bug13:25
cyphermoxoh, it's in compiz13:25
didrockscyphermox: you can right click on the desktop to reset that13:25
didrocksit should work13:25
cyphermoxI would open terminator and close it until it would work13:26
pittimvo: GOODNESS! cache.update(sources_list=...), that's exactly what I need in jockey *hug*13:26
cyphermoxpitti, do we really want to remove the netdev policy and keep a delta from debian?13:27
pitticyphermox: we have a delta anyway, don't we? but if it doesn't hurt, and the delta would be significant to maintain, then just "wontfix" it13:28
cyphermoxit's not significant and in fact I see there are a few bugs related to such group in the BTS13:29
cyphermoxpitti, it's not quite a delta, just an upload of wpasupplicant from debian's svn13:29
pittihaving group-based ACLs is quite old-fashioned, and it'd be better to get rid of it at some point (also in Debian), but certainly not up to the point where it causes a lot more work13:29
mvopitti: my pleasure!13:29
cyphermoxonce they release 0.7 or 0.8 I'll just ask for it to be synced13:29
pitticyphermox: if it's the difference between "ubuntu1" and "sync", then by all means "sync"13:30
cyphermoxpitti, it's simple enough to remove, so I'll take care of it13:30
cyphermoxoh ok13:30
cyphermoxI can always make sure the wpasupplicant maintainers know about the changes too ;)13:30
pitticyphermox: sharing packaging with debian always trumps cosmetical stuff, of course13:31
asachow is unity in natty?13:31
asaccan I upgrade? ;)13:31
* asac thinks its a bad idea13:31
cyphermoxpitti, that's why I was asking :) but I'll make sure we get it out of wpasupplicant in debian as well13:31
pittiasac: if you don't mind launching apps from a terminal, it's fine13:31
asaclol13:31
pitticyphermox: Debian has a different policy still, they still heavily rely on groups13:32
cyphermoxoh ok13:32
pittiasac: we don't have the counterpart of the app menu yet13:32
asacpitti: question is if i can start a terminal at all (in maverick alt+f2 didnt work)13:32
pittiasac: alt+f2 doesn't, no; but ctrl+alt+t does :)13:32
asacoh13:32
cyphermoxohh13:32
* asac tries13:32
asachaha13:32
pittiasac: and you have "nautilus /usr/share/applications", which appears when you click on the ubuntu logo13:32
pittiasac: poor man's app menu :)13:32
asacthats "launcher big"13:32
asacpitti: but its using nux and friends?13:33
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asacor am i just left with compiz + terminal atm?13:33
pittiasac: you have the panel, launcher, and nautilus as usual13:34
pittiasac: try current live CD13:34
pittiasac: I have used it for quite a while13:34
asacoh my launcher stuff would be stiill there ... that should be good enough13:35
pittiit's annoying to not have a system tray any more, but otherwise I get along13:35
asachmm13:35
pittiasac: yes, that works well; custom launchers in GNOME panel are auto-translated into the unity launcher13:35
* asac thinks for a moment and decides to wait till alpha-213:35
seb128pitti, why do you have still using the systray?13:35
pittiseb128: mainly for evolution appointment notifier and gtimelog13:35
nessitaje13:36
pittiand I seriously miss the system monitor (CPU/load)13:36
pittiperhaps we should have libnotify integratino of dpkg-buildpackage, that pings you when a package build is done :)13:36
pitti(that's my main use of the CPU-meter)13:36
seb128that would be nice ;-)13:36
pittior make13:36
pitti(for upstream builds)13:36
seb128should be easy to do as well13:36
gnomefreakdidrocks: after reboot and several gdm restarts it isnt loading any panels13:37
pittiseb128: but missing appointments really sucks13:37
didrocksgnomefreak: can you paste your new .xsession-errors, please?13:37
pittiseb128: in fact I switched back to panel this morning, when the plumber ringed me out of the shower :)13:38
gnomefreakdidrocks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/551481/13:38
seb128pitti, isn't the calendar thing opening a dialog on screen?13:39
pittiseb128: not by default; it just shows an icon in the tray13:39
pittiand gives a notification, but that's easy to miss13:39
didrocksgnomefreak: I still don't understand… you should have at least compiz trying to start and the log shows it's not the case…13:39
seb128ok, I probably changed it at some point13:39
seb128I get a dialog opening on screen for reminders13:39
pittialecu: that was quick :) (quotes page)13:40
didrocksgnomefreak: I guess you have compiz-core and compiz-gnome installed, isn't it?13:40
alecu:-)13:40
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gnomefreakdidrocks: yes both are installed13:40
didrocksgnomefreak: I really have no idea for now, sorry…13:41
pittiseb128: but yes, popup window sounds easier than appindicator integration13:41
didrocksgnomefreak: you don't have any windowmanager running in your session, I guess?13:41
gnomefreakdidrocks: i doubt it since i now get no panels or anything else. just desktop background13:42
gnomefreakdidrocks: thanks for trying. i guess i will stick with classic desktop13:42
seb128pitti, well I still have a gnome-panel running for the menus and the run a command there... ;-)13:43
didrocksgnomefreak: well, you still can have a window manager. look at ps aux | grep comp and ps aux | grep met13:43
gnomefreakdidrocks: ps aux | grep met is the only one that has something runnning13:44
gnomefreakmetacity13:44
didrocksgnomefreak: which version of gnome-session do you have?13:45
gnomefreakdidrocks: Installed: 2.32.1-0ubuntu813:46
didrocksweird, I see no case when metacity can be launched whereas compiz wasn't launched before… apart from setting a wrong wm in gnome-wm, which isn't the case as you set /bin/true for checking13:47
mterrydidrocks, is there going to be a new unity release this week?13:53
didrocksmterry: no, some people on the team was sick this week, so there will be no release13:54
mterryQQ13:54
seb128no breaking before traveling in any case!13:54
didrockswell, if it was yesterday, it could have been doable still, but today, no no and no :)13:55
seb128didrocks, I know where to find you if you break anything before travelling13:56
seb128so be careful :p13:56
gnomefreakdidrocks: when it was first introduced it worked fine, other than a few bugs. but im wondering can it be lack of memory causing this issue, i have 256mb of ram13:56
didrocksseb128: depends, I can finally change my destination at the airport :-)13:56
seb128didrocks, I will wait for you at the airport if required :p13:56
didrocksseb128: Paris has a lot of other destinations :)13:57
mterryseb128, is glib2.0 supposed to be in the desktop set?  I could see an argument for it not being, as it's pretty 'core', but I was surprised13:59
seb128didrocks, ok, be nice then, I don't want to have to track you across the world :p14:01
didrocksseb128: hehe :)14:02
seb128mterry, that's a question for cjwatson I guess14:02
seb128mterry, since glib is used by kde and plymouth and other things...14:02
seb128I consider it desktopish but I can see a point to limit access to it14:02
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mterryseb128, asking in #u-devel14:03
bcurtiswx_good morning room14:16
rodrigo_hi bcurtiswx14:31
rodrigo_brb14:31
bcurtiswx_hi rodrigo_ :)14:38
rodrigo_ugh, my apt is broken due to uninstallable python2.7-minimal14:45
rodrigo_apt-get -f install doesn't even work14:45
rodrigo_so what can I do?14:45
rodrigo_hmm, and dpkg-reconfigure is gone?14:47
mvorodrigo_: could you pastebin the output please? was this a maverick->natty upgrade?14:52
rodrigo_mvo, no, an upgrade already on natty14:54
rodrigo_mvo, pasting14:54
pittididrocks: I booted teh live system again, still the same problem, for the record14:54
didrockspitti: did you try setting /bin/true as asked before?14:55
pittididrocks: oh, you asked me something? must have missed it14:55
didrockspitti: look at .xsession-errors14:55
rodrigo_mvo, http://pastebin.com/vXH1RfZu14:55
pittididrocks: looking14:55
didrockspitti: do you have something like "/usr/lib/nux/… helper killed"?14:55
didrocksor something similar, do not remember the wording :)14:56
pittididrocks: yes, I do, from gnome-session14:56
pittididrocks: so that's known?14:56
mvorodrigo_: what does dpkg --configure -a say?14:56
mvorodrigo_: put a sudo in front of it :)14:56
didrockspitti: ok, so it's a timeout, if you set  IsRunnableHelper=/bin/true in /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/ubuntu.session, this should fix it14:56
pittididrocks: ah, ok14:57
pittididrocks: I also seem to have a bottom panel now (empty), known as well?14:57
didrockspitti: well, I kept the default upstream timeout (500s) for the check, knowing that we would maybe get some issues. I'll expand it14:57
pittididrocks: 500s?14:57
didrockspitti: I guess it's just gnome-panel with crashing applets14:57
didrocksms*14:57
pittiah14:57
pittididrocks: presumably14:57
pittididrocks: but why is gnoem-panel running in the first place?14:57
didrockspitti: can you just try to change the value to confirm?14:58
pittididrocks: I thought that was the very thing that unity_support should prevent?14:58
didrockspitti: it's a fallback if unity can't run14:58
didrocksand as the checker timeout, gnome-session runs the fallback14:58
rodrigo_mvo, http://pastebin.com/da2rz1zq14:58
pittididrocks: I can't confirm it that way; if I merely restart the session withoout changing anything, it works, too14:59
pittididrocks: and I can't change the file before I get the session started up on the live usb stick14:59
didrockspitti: works like, no gnome-panel?14:59
pittididrocks: right14:59
mvorodrigo_: aha! I think its around line 58 - python2.7-minimal is borked14:59
pittididrocks: but it proves that it's timing related14:59
didrocksyeah, so it's should be that14:59
pittididrocks: first startup is slower14:59
pittididrocks: ok, thanks15:00
didrockspitti: I'll expand the timeout15:00
mvorodrigo_: hold on a sec15:00
rodrigo_mvo, yes, it's the one preventing the others to setup15:00
didrockspitti: and make some caching as we planned for alpha3 then15:00
pittididrocks: can you do that in casper?15:00
pittididrocks: or does it need to be everywhere?15:00
pittii. e. is the timeout in gconf or anything, or hardcoded?15:00
didrocksit's hardcoded15:00
didrocksand I think some people can get it in very very slow machines15:01
mvorodrigo_: could you please try sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archive/python-minimal_<tab>.deb ?15:01
mvorodrigo_: probably version 2.7.1-0ubuntu4, but just press tab to see what you have15:01
rodrigo_mvo, hmm, it's gone from the cache15:01
rodrigo_although I tried installing it by hand a few times, with dpkg -i15:02
mvorodrigo_: could you check (e.g. with apt-cache policy python-minimal or dpkg -l) what version you have?15:02
didrockspitti: just on the "why unity + gnome-panel and not just gnome-panel", as I knew there will be false positive on the checker, I let unity still starting on the fallback for some time15:02
rodrigo_mvo, oh, sorry, it's archives, no archive15:02
rodrigo_mvo, fails with the same error, NoneType....15:03
rodrigo_mvo, I have 2.7.1-0ubuntu4 installed15:03
micahgdo you guys do branches for older releases as well, or just the devel release?15:05
didrocksmicahg: depends on who is doing the update, I tend to do ~ubuntu-desktop/packagename/maverick for instance15:05
mvorodrigo_: ok, thanks, what about python-central? is there a update for this in the cache that you could install?15:06
rodrigo_mvo, let me see15:06
mvorodrigo_: its the "joy" of these helpers, python-support, python-central are IMO all way to complex with this whole byte-compile at runtime15:07
rodrigo_mvo, no, I guess I'd get it by hand from the repo15:07
micahgdidrocks: ok, I just did an update for gnome-python-extras, cjwatson added it to the ubuntu-desktop main branch (I should've proposed a merge for you guys instead), I need to make an SRU for maverick, how would you like me to do it?15:07
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micahgerr..rather he added it to the ubuntu-desktop branch :)15:08
didrocksmicahg: which branch?15:09
micahghttps://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-python-extras/ubuntu15:10
mvorodrigo_: what does python -c "import sys; sys.path.insert(0, '/usr/share/python'); import pyversions; print pyversions.default_version()"15:11
mvorodrigo_: print for you?15:11
didrocksmicahg: ok, so you can either create a ~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-python-extras/maverick or just upload15:12
rodrigo_mvo, python2.715:12
micahgdidrocks: ok, I don't have permissions to create an ~ubuntu-desktop branch yet, if you want to create it, I'll be happy to propose a merge for it15:12
rodrigo_hmm, there isn't a --force option for dpkg to force installation15:12
didrocksmicahg: I'm branching the maverick version and pushing there15:13
mvorodrigo_: no, maintainer scripts can not be forced (by design)15:13
micahgdidrocks: great, thanks15:13
mvorodrigo_: could you pleae (just for the kick) add: "self.default_runtime = get_default_runtime()" before line 1095? and a print afterwarts to see what the result is?15:15
rodrigo_mvo, which file?15:16
didrocksmicahg: done!15:18
micahgdidrocks: thanks, I should have it in a few minutes15:18
mvorodrigo_: sorry, /usr/bin/pycentral15:19
didrocksyou're welcome :)15:19
pittididrocks, kenvandine: is it known that the global menu bar disappears while a window is focussed (i. e. the mouse is inside it)?15:23
pittior sohuld I report it as a bug?15:23
kenvandinepitti, i am pretty sure there is a bug about that... but can't say for sure15:24
kenvandinedidrocks, ^^15:24
didrockspitti: in unity?15:24
pittididrocks: yes15:24
pittikenvandine: is that indicator-appmenu?15:24
didrockspitti: like, when the mouse is not in the panel, there is no menu?15:24
pittididrocks: correct15:25
didrockspitti: it's on purpose15:25
pitti??15:25
kenvandinedidrocks, that isn't a bug?15:25
pittianother design breakage?15:25
* kenvandine hates that15:25
didrocksyeah, it's the first design that was presented15:25
didrockskenvandine: no, it's not15:25
kenvandineugh....15:25
pittiwhy are half of the unity bugs that I run into declared "features"?15:25
didrockspitti: the only bug that is logged is that you don't see the menu on pressing alt15:25
pittididrocks: how can that not be a bug?15:25
pittididrocks: right, that too15:25
pittididrocks: but it's confusing to not see the menu to even see what you want to do15:26
didrockspitti: it's the design from the start, looking for the link, one sec15:26
pitti*sigh*15:26
pitti(sorry, I know it's not your fault)15:26
didrockspitti: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/35915:26
didrocks"By default, we’d display the contents of the title bar. When you mouse up to the panel, or when you press the Alt key, the contents would switch to the menu. That way, you’re looking at the document title most of the time, unless you move towards it to click on the menu.15:26
didrocks"15:26
Shred00if i have lp:ubuntu/maverick/evolution checked out, how can i change that tree to lp:ubuntu/maverick-proposed/evolution?15:27
didrockskenvandine: ^15:27
pittiShred00: bzr pull --remember lp:ubuntu/maverick-proposed/evolution15:27
kenvandinedidrocks, thx...15:27
pittididrocks: thanks for the pointer15:27
didrocksyou're welcome :)15:27
pittididrocks: I pretty much gave up on using menus with non-maximized windows anyway (as this is broken with focus-follows-mouse), but now I don't even see what I'm missing :)15:28
Shred00pitti: thanx much!15:29
didrockspitti: ahah :) TBH, even when my menu are broken, I notice that I don't use them (some accelerators, which are still working), but really few of them15:29
didrockspitti: pitti for the focus-follows-mouse issue, the design team logged it as a task to consider15:30
pittididrocks: ah, that's good to hear; even if we'd just disable global menu on FFM, that'd be enough15:33
micahgdidrocks: would you like a release tag in the merge or UNRELEASED?15:35
didrocksmicahg: it will be once we set the version to maverick-proposed15:36
didrocksmicahg: I won't be able to test it though, I don't have a maverick box right now15:36
didrocksso, if someone else wants to review/test…15:36
micahgright, but how should I propose the merge, with maverick-proposed or UNRELEASED?15:37
rodrigo_bbiab15:38
didrocksmicahg: UNRELEASED15:40
bcurtiswx_kenvandine, were you able to create a VM with natty + gnome3 yet.  I just wanted to know if you got unity working (you mentioned it was supposed to) i haven't been able to15:41
jcastrodidrocks: I just noticed your commit message when you switched to banshee. <315:42
didrocksjcastro: hehe :-)15:42
* didrocks hugs jcastro15:42
kenvandinebcurtiswx_, unity is working fine in the vm15:44
kenvandinei got one with the gnome3 ppa added now15:44
kenvandinebut haven't installed any build stuff yet15:45
micahgdidrocks: done and test case added to bug, thanks15:45
didrocksmicahg: yw :)15:45
kenvandinebcurtiswx_, the trick with virtualbox and unity... enable 3d in the settings and install the guest extensions15:45
bcurtiswx_kenvandine, OK.  I tried VBx4 and it does some weird things making it so I couldn't install guest additions15:47
kenvandineoh?15:47
kenvandineworked fine here15:47
kenvandinejust mount the iso in the VM15:48
kenvandineand run the installed15:48
kenvandineinstaller15:48
bcurtiswx_kenvandine, I'll try it when i get home..15:49
kenvandinecool15:49
bcurtiswx_i installed 10.10 back on my laptop.. going to rely on VM's for natty instead.  Needed my laptop more for work.  Gotta get more into coding models, needed the stability15:50
kenvandineyeah :)15:51
kenvandinealthough natty has been stable for me... except when messing with crack from tedg15:51
kenvandine:-D15:51
Shred00ok.  used bzr pull to change to lp:ubuntu/maverick-proposed/evolution and it told me i needed to use missing and merge.  missing seems informational, fair enough, but what should i do with merge to resolve the issues?15:53
bcurtiswx_kenvandine, is tedg a seller?? :P15:53
kenvandineapparently :)15:53
tedgbcurtiswx_, more of a pusher actually ;)15:54
bcurtiswx_tedg, lol :)15:54
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glatzorhello mvo, how can I assign a value list to apt_pkg.config? apt_pkg.config["dpkg::options::"] = "--force-not-root --root /tmp/bla/" doesn't seem to work17:23
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pittiTTFN; need to do packing and getting up at 5 tomorrow17:35
pittisee you in Dallas!17:35
kenvandinesafe travels pitti17:36
seb128should do that as well17:37
seb128pitti, see you tomorrow!17:37
seb128pitti, I land at 15:40 so see you in the evening at the hotel maybe17:37
pittiseb128: I land at 141517:37
seb128oh ok17:37
seb128I will text you when I'm at the hotel17:37
pittiseb128: yes, for dinner and beer at the latest17:37
pittikenvandine: thanks, you too! not so far from you, I guess17:38
seb128see you17:38
kenvandine:)17:38
kenvandine3 short hours :)17:38
didrockssee you in Dallas pitti, have a safe travel17:40
didrockssame for you seb128!17:41
seb128didrocks, see you there17:42
didrocksok, high time to pack, see you on Sunday18:19
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