=== asac_ is now known as asac === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [07:59] * JackyAlcine looks around; wonders if anyone's alive. [08:16] good morning [08:26] Good morning [08:30] Guten Morgen pitti, how are you? [08:30] I'm great, thanks! how are you? [08:30] wrap-up and packing day today :) [08:30] still a little cold, but that will be fixed by tomorrow evening I guess :) [08:31] and yeah, need to pack this afternoon as well [08:39] kenvandine: is bug 666511 fixed in natty? [08:39] Launchpad bug 666511 in tomboy (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 4 other projects) "Note data loss with Tomboy sync to Ubuntu One, for notes created in Gnote (affects: 1) (heat: 55)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/666511 === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan === ara_ is now known as ara [09:30] hello! [09:30] bonjour Monsieur! [09:30] hey pitti [09:30] how are you? [09:31] pretty well, thanks! looking forward to the sprint [09:31] ;-) [09:31] just got my flight tickets [09:32] still want to wrap up some stuff today to have a clean table [09:33] pitti, got your flight tickets? [09:34] pitti, like switched back from eticket to printed paper ones? [09:34] seb128: boarding passes, I mean [09:34] oh ok [09:34] seb128: no, to my phone of course [09:34] email with a QR code attachment [09:34] right [09:34] seb128: my printer has been pretty broken for the last year, it's very faint [09:35] but as I almost never have to print stuff, I didn't get a new one yet [09:35] I need to update the wiki, my flight infos are wrong there I think [09:35] I can get mobile tickets for the trains, flights, etc. [09:35] yeah, my printer is out of order as well... [09:35] pitti: oh, that works for trains now too? thats cool [09:35] but I don't do tickets, I just go the airport with my passport and they sort if for me :p [09:35] since I got an ebook and a smartphone, my printer is just collecting dust :) [09:35] mvo: for ages already, yes; pretty nice [09:36] mvo: they send you an MMS [09:36] mvo: you can ask bahn.de for sending you a test ticket, to see if it works [09:37] mvo: you just have to live with the conductor's stamp marks on your mobile :-P [09:39] pitti: lol [09:40] pitti: cool, I was not aware of this, thats cool [09:40] mvo: you essentially get the matrix code that you also have on the printed tickets [09:40] mvo: i. e. they use the very same scanners [09:41] * mvo nods [09:59] morning [09:59] hey rodrigo_ [09:59] good morning rodrigo_ [10:35] kenvandine: I tried to create a branch for the ido change you sponsored yesterday, but LP doesn't allow me to create a branch (bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "~geser/ido/fix-linking-no-add-needed/": : You cannot create branches in "~geser/ido"). [11:02] heh [11:03] pitti, you clean asac's bugs? what did he pay you to do the work? ;-) [11:03] if you want to clean my bugs please do ;-) [11:04] seb128: you couldn't afford it [11:04] asac promised me half of his house, 50 sheep, and free beer for a lifetime [11:04] hum, yeah, it's over my budget [11:04] :-) [11:05] seb128: Jason asked me to, as asac is not really active on the desktop any more; so I went through, cleaned up, and fished out the important ones [11:05] ok [11:06] pitti, do we have a way to track what bugs come from team assignment? [11:07] like bugs assigned to the team and dispatched === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [11:07] seb128: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-desktop-team-assigned-bug-tasks.html ? [11:07] in opposite to pet bugs people assigned themself [11:07] pitti, will that will list pet bugs from team members as well? [11:07] Chris wins :) [11:07] ideally we only want to track the first ones [11:07] seb128: it's "bugs assigned to c-d-t" and "bugs assigned to c-d-t members" [11:08] right [11:08] seb128: but we don't have a list of bugs that were originally assigned to cdt and then moved to some person [11:08] things is "c-d-t members bugs" include pet bugs and assigned bugs [11:08] that'd be quite hard to track [11:08] right [11:08] well that's what we would like to track [11:08] but a lot of bugs get directly assigned as well, no? [11:08] those are the bugs that we should aim at fixing [11:09] meh, I'm not sure what happens, but it seems to me that each new firefox gets slower [11:09] well "official" escalation go through the team usually [11:09] I'm just trying to figure how we go to stop dropping bugs on the way [11:09] they go to the team, then are dispatched then we stop tracking them efficiently [11:10] the expectancy is that people care about the bugs assigned to them [11:10] if not, then this doesn't work, of course [11:10] but at some point each member has to check "their" bugs [11:11] I'm pretty sure it doesn't happen in practice [11:11] see some of the bugs you just unassigned from asac [11:19] Guys, I want to push a patch for pulseaudio, but I can't for some reason. [11:20] oh, today's CDs have banshee now [11:20] didrocks: ^ you didn't unseed rhythmbox at the same time? [11:20] didrocks: CDs are now oversized, banshee added some 4.5 MB [11:20] dropping RB and the plugins shoudl help a bit [11:20] pitti: I didn't recreate the ubuntu-desktop metapackage, thinking we were waiting for other changes [11:21] pitti: that should have been pulled it again, doing an upload now [11:21] didrocks: about 1.5 MB actually [11:21] didrocks: hm, perhaps banshee is a dependency of something [11:21] pitti: no, it's just that we install ubuntu-desktop which, as not being refreshed, still recommends rhythmbox, isn't it? [11:22] didrocks: right [11:22] didrocks: but what pulls in banshee then? [11:22] I don't see an rdepends [11:22] pitti: I changed the seed [11:22] that alone wouldn't pull it in, though [11:22] oh really? [11:23] if you change "desktop", you need to rebuild the meta packge [11:23] I was thinking that changing the seed -> impacts the CD with or without having it in the metapackage [11:23] hm [11:23] could be [11:23] but I thought it wasn't [11:24] well, at least, let's refresh the metapackage now, on it once it will be downloaded with my slow connexion :) [11:24] didrocks: I can do it as well [11:24] didrocks: I'll update it then, don't worry [11:25] didrocks: can you get banshee seeded? [11:25] asac: already happened [11:25] asac: it's done [11:25] pitti: ok, thanks :) [11:25] ah [11:25] ;) [11:25] ok setting MIR bug back to fix committed [11:25] asac: why? it got promoted [11:25] oh even that [11:25] well ... doko bounced it back to incomplete [11:25] someone jumped on the promotion right after the MIR got approved [11:25] oh [11:25] (because it was not seeded) [11:25] ah [11:26] so, sounds like "fix released" then [11:26] ok doing [11:26] * pitti sheds a tear for rhythmbox === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:26] done [11:26] I still don't like banshee [11:26] pitti: rhythmbox will come back strong [11:26] through arm team ;) [11:26] still available in the archive ;-) [11:26] well rb is still there [11:26] asac: or through apt-get install :) [11:26] * Laney weeps for f-spot [11:26] hehe [11:26] Laney, hey [11:26] hiya [11:26] Laney, speaking of f-spot I synced the new version from debian for you [11:27] yeah I noticed, thanks [11:27] Laney, that was ok right? ;-) [11:27] forgot to do that! [11:27] you're welcome [11:27] I noticed that shotwell has a nonexisting search for photos (by tag and date range), otherwise it's quite nice [11:28] I'd like to say "give me all photos which have tags a and b from teh last 3 years" [11:28] yeah, it rocks [11:28] it definitely has more manpower [11:28] so better from that pov [11:28] it seems quite odd to have a ncie support for XMP and tagging, and then not being able to actually use the tags [11:28] did you check if there is some bugs about that? [11:28] I will [11:28] I wrote a photo manager for my undergraduate degree which did that [11:29] didrocks: u-m uploaded [11:29] pitti: thanks :) [11:30] seb128: bug 625331 (has upstream bug, too) [11:30] Launchpad bug 625331 in shotwell (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Multiple-tag research is not available (affects: 4) (heat: 39)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/625331 [11:30] seb128: ah, and arbitrary searches is http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/1587 [11:30] so it seems I'm not the first one :) [11:30] (would have surprised me) [11:33] <^arky^> Hi, How solve this error "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lz" [11:44] ^arky^: do you have zlib1g-dev installed? [11:51] <^arky^> geser, nope I am installing it now thanks [12:05] mvo: can you help me? my latest upgrade corrupted /var/lib/dpkg/available - do you know how I can regenerate it? [12:09] kamstrup: dselect update [12:09] kamstrup: See the --update-avail help in dpkg(1)'s man page for info. [12:10] soren: thanks! that worked :-) [12:10] kamstrup: np :) [12:11] kamstrup: corrupted it in what way? might be interessting to diagnose what happend and why [12:12] mvo: I got errors from dpkg when I tried to install something: dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 0: [12:12] field name `/lib/modules/2.6.37-12-generic/kernel/drivers/i2c/algos/i2c-algo-bit.ko' must be followed by colon [12:12] the first line contained a lot of garbage data [12:13] removing that there where another similar garbage chunk in line 102 [12:13] it was prolly related to my last upgrade which had a weird error during the kernel installation [12:13] * korben greets all [12:14] kamstrup: ok, sounds scary, usually its some sort of memory corupption, often HW when this happens [12:14] mvo: eeek - don't freak me out like that :-) [12:15] heh :) sorry for sounding alarming [12:15] * mvo mumbles about backups [12:22] mvo: "Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it" -- Linus [12:23] hey korben [12:33] kamstrup: haha - good answer! [12:35] hey all ;-) [12:39] was the launcher bar in "Desktop Edition" in Natty removed for a reason. seems that "Desktop Edition" and "Classic Edition" are the same now [12:40] launcher bar == the one along the left side of screen [12:41] didrocks, ^ [12:41] gnomefreak: do you have unity installed? [12:41] mvo, what is the official way to trigger a "restart is required"? [12:41] mvo, do you ever consider doing a "restart your session is required"? [12:41] didrocks: current daily desktop still starts gnome-panel under unity, is that expected? [12:42] didrocks: yes but let me check [12:42] seb128: sudo /usr/share/update-notifier/notify-reboot-required ; sudo touch /var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp [12:42] pitti: it's not, maybe the checker is timeouting [12:42] seb128: the touch later is just for testing [12:42] seb128: call /usr/share/update-notifier/notify-reboot-required [12:42] pitti: you are running it under virtualbox? [12:42] didrocks: no, on the mini 10 [12:42] didrocks: unity Installed: 3.2.8-0ubuntu1 [12:42] didrocks: oh, does unity work in VB now? [12:42] seb128: this will be done automatically when dpkg finished, so if you do it in the maintainer script just call the notify-reboot-required script [12:42] mvo, pitti: ok, thanks, I though we were supposed to drop a file in a directory for some reason [12:42] pitti: with VB4, it is [12:42] seb128: that's what the script does [12:42] seb128: session restart, sure, that hsould be easy to do [12:43] seb128: but it cares about translation and all that [12:43] ok, great [12:43] pitti: can you try: /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test && echo $? [12:43] didrocks: "0" [12:44] didrocks, if the checker was timeouting you wouldn't get unity running though? === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:44] ok, can you put IsRunnableHelper=/bin/true in /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/ubuntu.session [12:45] seb128: it can, I didn't changed (yet) to unset the env variable if the session isn't set as I was certain we would get issue with the checker [12:45] didrocks, could you just comment the line to do the same? [12:45] gnomefreak: maybe same issue [12:45] ok [12:45] seb128: not sure, I don't remember on the code, can check [12:45] mvo, is the system or session restart thing worth doing you think? [12:45] at least, /bin/true works for sure [12:45] ok [12:46] didrocks: thanks. its seems for some reason unity wasnt loading [12:46] gnomefreak: can you try /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test && echo $? [12:47] seb128: what apps will need a session restart? [12:48] https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/gconf/ubuntu-gsettings-trigger/+merge/45427 [12:48] mvo, ^ btw if you want to review the check function that would be welcome [12:49] nessita, hello! [12:49] hello everyone! [12:49] seb128: thanks, we can add the session-restart feature during the sprint, should be straightforward [12:50] seb128: well, mostly :) [12:50] mvo, do you want a bug? [12:51] hi nessita [12:51] seb128: nää, we see each other on sunday and you will nag me anyway, I know you [12:51] hi rodrigo_, seb128 [12:52] mvo, right, I can even poke you during night if needed ;-) [12:53] riiiiiiiight [12:53] didrocks: what was the command again? [12:53] it seems unity isnt running by default [12:53] gnomefreak: /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test ; echo $? [12:54] didrocks: all i got was a 0 after that command [12:55] gnomefreak: ok, so it should launch [12:55] 7win 61 [12:55] Whoops [12:55] gnomefreak: when do you run "unity", do you get it? [12:55] s/do// [12:55] didrocks: yes when i ran unity from command line it launched [12:57] gnomefreak: ok, from a fresh login in the ubuntu desktop session, can you try env | grep COMP [12:58] gnomefreak@Development:~$ env | grep COMP [12:58] COMPIZ_CONFIG_PROFILE=ubuntu [12:58] that is from this session. where i didnt run unity. login refuses to load unity on its own [12:59] is there anything in .xsession-errors? [13:00] seb128: didrocks http://paste.ubuntu.com/551466/ [13:00] gnome-session[2196]: WARNING: Had to kill '/usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test' helper [13:00] so, it's timeouting [13:01] how much is the timeout? [13:01] 500ms [13:01] I guess it takes longer than that to run... [13:01] but it still should launch compiz + unity + gnome-panel [13:01] well if the check fails it shouldn't? [13:01] seb128: depends, works well here, ~200 ms at cold start was the worst case [13:02] well your box might be faster than others [13:02] seb128: as told before, it's going to the fallback section [13:02] knowing that some false positive can happened, it launches for now unity + gnome-panel [13:02] ok [13:02] weird then [13:02] but in any case, it should launch it… [13:03] didrocks, I guess change the check to "sleep 1" and see what happens? [13:03] or sh -c sleep 1 [13:03] or a wrapper calling it [13:03] seb128: what happens is what pitti is seeing in the daily build on his mini10v [13:03] seb128: I aready tested it :) [13:03] didrocks, why is pitti's one going to fallback btw? timeout as well? [13:04] seb128: yeah, timeout I guess, hence my question of using /bin/true to test it's really the case [13:04] or check .xsession-errors [13:04] but if it's a timeout, this behavior is expected [13:04] gnomefreak's one isn't [13:05] right [13:05] didrocks: one isnt? [13:05] gnomefreak: the behavior you are seeing [13:05] meaning no unity [13:06] yeah i know i kind of miss it [13:07] gnomefreak: if you change to /bin/true as told above, do you see unity running? [13:09] didrocks: sorry i was lost. you want me to run unity with an argument /bin/true [13:10] gnomefreak: 13:44:42 didrocks | ok, can you put IsRunnableHelper=/bin/true in /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/ubuntu.session [13:13] didrocks: should i leave IsRunnableHelper=/usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test in there? [13:13] gnomefreak: no, replace it please [13:13] ok [13:14] ok done. i guess ill reboot and let you know if it loads. thanks [13:16] didrocks: can I haz timezone display in the unity clock ? [13:16] lol [13:16] mvo, you wish ;-) [13:17] mvo: depends how much you pay ted :) [13:17] I can haz proper time format before? [13:17] that too! [13:17] proper timeformat +++ [13:18] Dear U.S., last time I checked a day had 24 hours, not 12!!!111!!one! [13:18] :) [13:18] LOLL [13:19] hi [13:19] hey cyphermox, good morning [13:19] pitti, hey [13:19] I noticed you did a few reassignments for bugs in NM? :) [13:20] cyphermox: yeah, I cleaned up asac's desktop-ish bugs and fished out the ones which we should really look at [13:20] hey cyphermox [13:20] cyphermox: I think you earned two of them [13:20] hey didrocks [13:20] pitti, sure [13:20] cyphermox: if you don't have time for them, please just unassign, but I wanted to run these by you at least [13:20] there's a couple you touched that I saw are for sure fixed [13:20] cyphermox: yes, I'm sure that 80% of the bug reports are either fixed or obsolete in a different way [13:21] I'll just fish out the commit numbers and say in which release they are fixed, then we can figure out whether it's sru-able [13:21] cyphermox: I didn't do a full triaging job, just cleaning up asac's bug as per jasoncwarner's and marjo's request [13:21] sure... I should have done so long ago [13:21] cyphermox: don't worry too much about it for now; if you could have a look at the two I sent to you, that'd be great, but don't take it as "OMGmustfixnow" [13:22] pitti, i can go in omgmustfixnow mode shortly, I just want to fix one string and I can upload a new revision of nm-applet with the icons and everything [13:23] no hurry [13:23] cyphermox: e. g. the "netdev" one is just cleanup, but not urgent in any way [13:23] cyphermox: perhaps you should coordinate with pedro_ about a hug day for NM, to get them back to a sane level? [13:23] yes [13:24] uh-oh, can't right click :/ [13:24] bought a Mac? [13:24] hahaha [13:24] no, using unity :) [13:25] didrocks, I guess you may have gotten bug reports about those -- context menus, indicator menus, etc... menus in general painting behind the desktop or something? [13:25] cyphermox: yep, known compiz bug [13:25] oh, it's in compiz [13:25] cyphermox: you can right click on the desktop to reset that [13:25] it should work [13:26] I would open terminator and close it until it would work [13:26] mvo: GOODNESS! cache.update(sources_list=...), that's exactly what I need in jockey *hug* [13:27] pitti, do we really want to remove the netdev policy and keep a delta from debian? [13:28] cyphermox: we have a delta anyway, don't we? but if it doesn't hurt, and the delta would be significant to maintain, then just "wontfix" it [13:29] it's not significant and in fact I see there are a few bugs related to such group in the BTS [13:29] pitti, it's not quite a delta, just an upload of wpasupplicant from debian's svn [13:29] having group-based ACLs is quite old-fashioned, and it'd be better to get rid of it at some point (also in Debian), but certainly not up to the point where it causes a lot more work [13:29] pitti: my pleasure! [13:29] once they release 0.7 or 0.8 I'll just ask for it to be synced [13:30] cyphermox: if it's the difference between "ubuntu1" and "sync", then by all means "sync" [13:30] pitti, it's simple enough to remove, so I'll take care of it [13:30] oh ok [13:30] I can always make sure the wpasupplicant maintainers know about the changes too ;) [13:31] cyphermox: sharing packaging with debian always trumps cosmetical stuff, of course [13:31] how is unity in natty? [13:31] can I upgrade? ;) [13:31] * asac thinks its a bad idea [13:31] pitti, that's why I was asking :) but I'll make sure we get it out of wpasupplicant in debian as well [13:31] asac: if you don't mind launching apps from a terminal, it's fine [13:31] lol [13:32] cyphermox: Debian has a different policy still, they still heavily rely on groups [13:32] oh ok [13:32] asac: we don't have the counterpart of the app menu yet [13:32] pitti: question is if i can start a terminal at all (in maverick alt+f2 didnt work) [13:32] asac: alt+f2 doesn't, no; but ctrl+alt+t does :) [13:32] oh [13:32] ohh [13:32] * asac tries [13:32] haha [13:32] asac: and you have "nautilus /usr/share/applications", which appears when you click on the ubuntu logo [13:32] asac: poor man's app menu :) [13:32] thats "launcher big" [13:33] pitti: but its using nux and friends? === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [13:33] or am i just left with compiz + terminal atm? [13:34] asac: you have the panel, launcher, and nautilus as usual [13:34] asac: try current live CD [13:34] asac: I have used it for quite a while [13:35] oh my launcher stuff would be stiill there ... that should be good enough [13:35] it's annoying to not have a system tray any more, but otherwise I get along [13:35] hmm [13:35] asac: yes, that works well; custom launchers in GNOME panel are auto-translated into the unity launcher [13:35] * asac thinks for a moment and decides to wait till alpha-2 [13:35] pitti, why do you have still using the systray? [13:35] seb128: mainly for evolution appointment notifier and gtimelog [13:36] je [13:36] and I seriously miss the system monitor (CPU/load) [13:36] perhaps we should have libnotify integratino of dpkg-buildpackage, that pings you when a package build is done :) [13:36] (that's my main use of the CPU-meter) [13:36] that would be nice ;-) [13:36] or make [13:36] (for upstream builds) [13:36] should be easy to do as well [13:37] didrocks: after reboot and several gdm restarts it isnt loading any panels [13:37] seb128: but missing appointments really sucks [13:37] gnomefreak: can you paste your new .xsession-errors, please? [13:38] seb128: in fact I switched back to panel this morning, when the plumber ringed me out of the shower :) [13:38] didrocks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/551481/ [13:39] pitti, isn't the calendar thing opening a dialog on screen? [13:39] seb128: not by default; it just shows an icon in the tray [13:39] and gives a notification, but that's easy to miss [13:39] gnomefreak: I still don't understand… you should have at least compiz trying to start and the log shows it's not the case… [13:39] ok, I probably changed it at some point [13:39] I get a dialog opening on screen for reminders [13:40] alecu: that was quick :) (quotes page) [13:40] gnomefreak: I guess you have compiz-core and compiz-gnome installed, isn't it? [13:40] :-) === oubiwann is now known as oubiwann_ [13:40] didrocks: yes both are installed [13:41] gnomefreak: I really have no idea for now, sorry… [13:41] seb128: but yes, popup window sounds easier than appindicator integration [13:41] gnomefreak: you don't have any windowmanager running in your session, I guess? [13:42] didrocks: i doubt it since i now get no panels or anything else. just desktop background [13:42] didrocks: thanks for trying. i guess i will stick with classic desktop [13:43] pitti, well I still have a gnome-panel running for the menus and the run a command there... ;-) [13:43] gnomefreak: well, you still can have a window manager. look at ps aux | grep comp and ps aux | grep met [13:44] didrocks: ps aux | grep met is the only one that has something runnning [13:44] metacity [13:45] gnomefreak: which version of gnome-session do you have? [13:46] didrocks: Installed: 2.32.1-0ubuntu8 [13:47] weird, I see no case when metacity can be launched whereas compiz wasn't launched before… apart from setting a wrong wm in gnome-wm, which isn't the case as you set /bin/true for checking [13:53] didrocks, is there going to be a new unity release this week? [13:54] mterry: no, some people on the team was sick this week, so there will be no release [13:54] QQ [13:54] no breaking before traveling in any case! [13:55] well, if it was yesterday, it could have been doable still, but today, no no and no :) [13:56] didrocks, I know where to find you if you break anything before travelling [13:56] so be careful :p [13:56] didrocks: when it was first introduced it worked fine, other than a few bugs. but im wondering can it be lack of memory causing this issue, i have 256mb of ram [13:56] seb128: depends, I can finally change my destination at the airport :-) [13:56] didrocks, I will wait for you at the airport if required :p [13:57] seb128: Paris has a lot of other destinations :) [13:59] seb128, is glib2.0 supposed to be in the desktop set? I could see an argument for it not being, as it's pretty 'core', but I was surprised [14:01] didrocks, ok, be nice then, I don't want to have to track you across the world :p [14:02] seb128: hehe :) [14:02]