[07:59]  * JackyAlcine looks around; wonders if anyone's alive.
[08:16] <didrocks> good morning
[08:26] <pitti> Good morning
[08:30] <didrocks> Guten Morgen pitti, how are you?
[08:30] <pitti> I'm great, thanks! how are you?
[08:30] <pitti> wrap-up and packing day today :)
[08:30] <didrocks> still a little cold, but that will be fixed by tomorrow evening I guess :)
[08:31] <didrocks> and yeah, need to pack this afternoon as well
[08:39] <pitti> kenvandine: is bug 666511 fixed in natty?
[08:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 666511 in tomboy (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 4 other projects) "Note data loss with Tomboy sync to Ubuntu One, for notes created in Gnote (affects: 1) (heat: 55)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/666511
[09:30] <seb128> hello!
[09:30] <pitti> bonjour Monsieur!
[09:30] <seb128> hey pitti
[09:30] <seb128> how are you?
[09:31] <pitti> pretty well, thanks! looking forward to the sprint
[09:31] <seb128> ;-)
[09:31] <pitti> just got my flight tickets
[09:32] <pitti> still want to wrap up some stuff today to have a clean table
[09:33] <seb128> pitti, got your flight tickets?
[09:34] <seb128> pitti, like switched back from eticket to printed paper ones?
[09:34] <pitti> seb128: boarding passes, I mean
[09:34] <seb128> oh ok
[09:34] <pitti> seb128: no, to my phone of course
[09:34] <pitti> email with a QR code attachment
[09:34] <seb128> right
[09:34] <pitti> seb128: my printer has been pretty broken for the last year, it's very faint
[09:35] <pitti> but as I almost never have to print stuff, I didn't get a new one yet
[09:35] <seb128> I need to update the wiki, my flight infos are wrong there I think
[09:35] <pitti> I can get mobile tickets for the trains, flights, etc.
[09:35] <seb128> yeah, my printer is out of order as well...
[09:35] <mvo> pitti: oh, that works for trains now too? thats cool
[09:35] <seb128> but I don't do tickets, I just go the airport with my passport and they sort if for me :p
[09:35] <pitti> since I got an ebook and a smartphone, my printer is just collecting dust :)
[09:35] <pitti> mvo: for ages already, yes; pretty nice
[09:36] <pitti> mvo: they send you an MMS
[09:36] <pitti> mvo: you can ask bahn.de for sending you a test ticket, to see if it works
[09:37] <pitti> mvo: you just have to live with the conductor's stamp marks on your mobile :-P
[09:39] <mvo> pitti: lol
[09:40] <mvo> pitti: cool, I was not aware of this, thats cool
[09:40] <pitti> mvo: you essentially get the matrix code that you also have on the printed tickets
[09:40] <pitti> mvo: i. e. they use the very same scanners
[09:41]  * mvo nods
[09:59] <rodrigo_> morning
[09:59] <pitti> hey rodrigo_
[09:59] <didrocks> good morning rodrigo_
[10:35] <geser> kenvandine: I tried to create a branch for the ido change you sponsored yesterday, but LP doesn't allow me to create a branch (bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "~geser/ido/fix-linking-no-add-needed/": : You cannot create branches in "~geser/ido").
[11:02] <seb128> heh
[11:03] <seb128> pitti, you clean asac's bugs? what did he pay you to do the work? ;-)
[11:03] <seb128> if you want to clean my bugs please do ;-)
[11:04] <pitti> seb128: you couldn't afford it
[11:04] <pitti> asac promised me half of his house, 50 sheep, and free beer for a lifetime
[11:04] <seb128> hum, yeah, it's over my budget
[11:04] <seb128> :-)
[11:05] <pitti> seb128: Jason asked me to, as asac is not really active on the desktop any more; so I went through, cleaned up, and fished out the important ones
[11:05] <seb128> ok
[11:06] <seb128> pitti, do we have a way to track what bugs come from team assignment?
[11:07] <seb128> like bugs assigned to the team and dispatched
[11:07] <pitti> seb128: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-desktop-team-assigned-bug-tasks.html ?
[11:07] <seb128> in opposite to pet bugs people assigned themself
[11:07] <seb128> pitti, will that will list pet bugs from team members as well?
[11:07] <pitti> Chris wins :)
[11:07] <seb128> ideally we only want to track the first ones
[11:07] <pitti> seb128: it's "bugs assigned to c-d-t" and "bugs assigned to c-d-t members"
[11:08] <seb128> right
[11:08] <pitti> seb128: but we don't have a list of bugs that were originally assigned to cdt and then moved to some person
[11:08] <seb128> things is "c-d-t members bugs" include pet bugs and assigned bugs
[11:08] <pitti> that'd be quite hard to track
[11:08] <pitti> right
[11:08] <seb128> well that's what we would like to track
[11:08] <pitti> but a lot of bugs get directly assigned as well, no?
[11:08] <seb128> those are the bugs that we should aim at fixing
[11:09] <pitti> meh, I'm not sure what happens, but it seems to me that each new firefox gets slower
[11:09] <seb128> well "official" escalation go through the team usually
[11:09] <seb128> I'm just trying to figure how we go to stop dropping bugs on the way
[11:09] <seb128> they go to the team, then are dispatched then we stop tracking them efficiently
[11:10] <pitti> the expectancy is that people care about the bugs assigned to them
[11:10] <pitti> if not, then this doesn't work, of course
[11:10] <pitti> but at some point each member has to check "their" bugs
[11:11] <seb128> I'm pretty sure it doesn't happen in practice
[11:11] <seb128> see some of the bugs you just unassigned from asac
[11:19] <JackyAlcine> Guys, I want to push a patch for pulseaudio, but I can't for some reason.
[11:20] <pitti> oh, today's CDs have banshee now
[11:20] <pitti> didrocks: ^ you didn't unseed rhythmbox at the same time?
[11:20] <pitti> didrocks: CDs are now oversized, banshee added some 4.5 MB
[11:20] <pitti> dropping RB and the plugins shoudl help a bit
[11:20] <didrocks> pitti: I didn't recreate the ubuntu-desktop metapackage, thinking we were waiting for other changes
[11:21] <didrocks> pitti: that should have been pulled it again, doing an upload now
[11:21] <pitti> didrocks: about 1.5 MB actually
[11:21] <pitti> didrocks: hm, perhaps banshee is a dependency of something
[11:21] <didrocks> pitti: no, it's just that we install ubuntu-desktop which, as not being refreshed, still recommends rhythmbox, isn't it?
[11:22] <pitti> didrocks: right
[11:22] <pitti> didrocks: but what pulls in banshee then?
[11:22] <pitti> I don't see an rdepends
[11:22] <didrocks> pitti: I changed the seed
[11:22] <pitti> that alone wouldn't pull it in, though
[11:22] <didrocks> oh really?
[11:23] <pitti> if you change "desktop", you need to rebuild the meta packge
[11:23] <didrocks> I was thinking that changing the seed -> impacts the CD with or without having it in the metapackage
[11:23] <pitti> hm
[11:23] <pitti> could be
[11:23] <pitti> but I thought it wasn't
[11:24] <didrocks> well, at least, let's refresh the metapackage now, on it once it will be downloaded with my slow connexion :)
[11:24] <pitti> didrocks: I can do it as well
[11:24] <pitti> didrocks: I'll update it then, don't worry
[11:25] <asac> didrocks: can you get banshee seeded?
[11:25] <pitti> asac: already happened
[11:25] <didrocks> asac: it's done
[11:25] <didrocks> pitti: ok, thanks :)
[11:25] <asac> ah
[11:25] <asac> ;)
[11:25] <asac> ok setting MIR bug back to fix committed
[11:25] <pitti> asac: why? it got promoted
[11:25] <asac> oh even that
[11:25] <asac> well ... doko bounced it back to incomplete
[11:25] <pitti> someone jumped on the promotion right after the MIR got approved
[11:25] <pitti> oh
[11:25] <asac> (because it was not seeded)
[11:25] <pitti> ah
[11:26] <pitti> so, sounds like "fix released" then
[11:26] <asac> ok doing
[11:26]  * pitti sheds a tear for rhythmbox
[11:26] <asac> done
[11:26] <pitti> I still don't like banshee
[11:26] <asac> pitti: rhythmbox will come back strong
[11:26] <asac> through arm team ;)
[11:26] <Laney>  still available in the archive ;-)
[11:26] <seb128> well rb is still there
[11:26] <pitti> asac: or through apt-get install :)
[11:26]  * Laney weeps for f-spot
[11:26] <asac> hehe
[11:26] <seb128> Laney, hey
[11:26] <Laney> hiya
[11:26] <seb128> Laney, speaking of f-spot I synced the new version from debian for you
[11:27] <Laney> yeah I noticed, thanks
[11:27] <seb128> Laney, that was ok right? ;-)
[11:27] <Laney> forgot to do that!
[11:27] <seb128> you're welcome
[11:27] <pitti> I noticed that shotwell has a nonexisting search for photos (by tag and date range), otherwise it's quite nice
[11:28] <pitti> I'd like to say "give me all photos which have tags a and b from teh last 3 years"
[11:28] <seb128> yeah, it rocks
[11:28] <Laney> it definitely has more manpower
[11:28] <Laney> so better from that pov
[11:28] <pitti> it seems quite odd to have a ncie support for XMP and tagging, and then not being able to actually use the tags
[11:28] <seb128> did you check if there is some bugs about that?
[11:28] <pitti> I will
[11:28] <Laney> I wrote a photo manager for my undergraduate degree which did that
[11:29] <pitti> didrocks: u-m uploaded
[11:29] <didrocks> pitti: thanks :)
[11:30] <pitti> seb128: bug 625331 (has upstream bug, too)
[11:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 625331 in shotwell (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Multiple-tag research is not available (affects: 4) (heat: 39)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/625331
[11:30] <pitti> seb128: ah, and arbitrary searches is http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/1587
[11:30] <pitti> so it seems I'm not the first one :)
[11:30] <pitti> (would have surprised me)
[11:33] <^arky^> Hi, How solve this error "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lz"
[11:44] <geser> ^arky^: do you have zlib1g-dev installed?
[11:51] <^arky^> geser, nope I am installing it now thanks
[12:05] <kamstrup> mvo: can you help  me? my latest upgrade corrupted /var/lib/dpkg/available - do you know how I can regenerate it?
[12:09] <soren> kamstrup: dselect update
[12:09] <soren> kamstrup: See the --update-avail help in dpkg(1)'s man page for info.
[12:10] <kamstrup> soren: thanks! that worked :-)
[12:10] <soren> kamstrup: np :)
[12:11] <mvo> kamstrup: corrupted it in what way? might be interessting to diagnose what happend and why
[12:12] <kamstrup> mvo: I got errors from dpkg when I tried to install something: dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 0:
[12:12] <kamstrup>  field name `/lib/modules/2.6.37-12-generic/kernel/drivers/i2c/algos/i2c-algo-bit.ko' must be followed by colon
[12:12] <kamstrup> the first line contained a lot of garbage data
[12:13] <kamstrup> removing that there where another similar garbage chunk in line 102
[12:13] <kamstrup> it was prolly related to my last upgrade which had a weird error during the kernel installation
[12:13]  * korben greets all
[12:14] <mvo> kamstrup: ok, sounds scary, usually its some sort of memory corupption, often HW when this happens
[12:14] <kamstrup> mvo: eeek - don't freak me out like that :-)
[12:15] <mvo> heh :) sorry for sounding alarming
[12:15]  * mvo mumbles about backups
[12:22] <kamstrup> mvo: "Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it" -- Linus
[12:23] <didrocks> hey korben
[12:33] <mvo> kamstrup: haha - good answer!
[12:35] <korben> hey all ;-)
[12:39] <gnomefreak> was the launcher bar in "Desktop Edition" in Natty removed for a reason. seems that "Desktop Edition" and "Classic Edition" are the same now
[12:40] <gnomefreak> launcher bar == the one along the left side of screen
[12:41] <seb128> didrocks, ^
[12:41] <didrocks> gnomefreak: do you have unity installed?
[12:41] <seb128> mvo, what is the official way to trigger a "restart is required"?
[12:41] <seb128> mvo, do you ever consider doing a "restart your session is required"?
[12:41] <pitti> didrocks: current daily desktop still starts gnome-panel under unity, is that expected?
[12:42] <gnomefreak> didrocks: yes but let me check
[12:42] <mvo> seb128: sudo /usr/share/update-notifier/notify-reboot-required  ; sudo touch /var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp
[12:42] <didrocks> pitti: it's not, maybe the checker is timeouting
[12:42] <mvo> seb128: the touch later is just for testing
[12:42] <pitti> seb128: call /usr/share/update-notifier/notify-reboot-required
[12:42] <didrocks> pitti: you are running it under virtualbox?
[12:42] <pitti> didrocks: no, on the mini 10
[12:42] <gnomefreak> didrocks: unity Installed: 3.2.8-0ubuntu1
[12:42] <pitti> didrocks: oh, does unity work in VB now?
[12:42] <mvo> seb128: this will be done automatically when dpkg finished, so if you do it in the maintainer script just call the notify-reboot-required script
[12:42] <seb128> mvo, pitti: ok, thanks, I though we were supposed to drop a file in a directory for some reason
[12:42] <didrocks> pitti: with VB4, it is
[12:42] <pitti> seb128: that's what the script does
[12:42] <mvo> seb128: session restart, sure, that hsould be easy to do
[12:43] <pitti> seb128: but it cares about translation and all that
[12:43] <seb128> ok, great
[12:43] <didrocks> pitti: can you try: /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test && echo $?
[12:43] <pitti> didrocks: "0"
[12:44] <seb128> didrocks, if the checker was timeouting you wouldn't get unity running though?
[12:44] <didrocks> ok, can you put IsRunnableHelper=/bin/true in /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/ubuntu.session
[12:45] <didrocks> seb128: it can, I didn't changed (yet) to unset the env variable if the session isn't set as I was certain we would get issue with the checker
[12:45] <seb128> didrocks, could you just comment the line to do the same?
[12:45] <didrocks> gnomefreak: maybe same issue
[12:45] <seb128> ok
[12:45] <didrocks> seb128: not sure, I don't remember on the code, can check
[12:45] <seb128> mvo, is the system or session restart thing worth doing you think?
[12:45] <didrocks> at least, /bin/true works for sure
[12:45] <seb128> ok
[12:46] <gnomefreak> didrocks: thanks. its seems for some reason unity wasnt loading
[12:46] <didrocks> gnomefreak: can you try /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test && echo $?
[12:47] <mvo> seb128: what apps will need a session restart?
[12:48] <seb128> https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/gconf/ubuntu-gsettings-trigger/+merge/45427
[12:48] <seb128> mvo, ^ btw if you want to review the check function that would be welcome
[12:49] <seb128> nessita, hello!
[12:49] <nessita> hello everyone!
[12:49] <mvo> seb128: thanks, we can add the session-restart feature during the sprint, should be straightforward
[12:50] <mvo> seb128: well, mostly :)
[12:50] <seb128> mvo, do you want a bug?
[12:51] <rodrigo_> hi nessita
[12:51] <mvo> seb128: nää, we see each other on sunday and you will nag me anyway, I know you
[12:51] <nessita> hi rodrigo_, seb128
[12:52] <seb128> mvo, right, I can even poke you during night if needed ;-)
[12:53] <mvo> riiiiiiiight
[12:53] <gnomefreak> didrocks: what was the command again?
[12:53] <gnomefreak> it seems unity isnt running by default
[12:53] <didrocks> gnomefreak: /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test ; echo $?
[12:54] <gnomefreak> didrocks: all i got was a 0 after that command
[12:55] <didrocks> gnomefreak: ok, so it should launch
[12:55] <soren> 7win 61
[12:55] <soren> Whoops
[12:55] <didrocks> gnomefreak: when do you run "unity", do you get it?
[12:55] <didrocks> s/do//
[12:55] <gnomefreak> didrocks: yes when i ran unity from command line it launched
[12:57] <didrocks> gnomefreak: ok, from a fresh login in the ubuntu desktop session, can you try env | grep COMP
[12:58] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~$ env | grep COMP
[12:58] <gnomefreak> COMPIZ_CONFIG_PROFILE=ubuntu
[12:58] <gnomefreak> that is from this session. where i didnt run unity. login refuses to load unity on its own
[12:59] <seb128> is there anything in .xsession-errors?
[13:00] <gnomefreak> seb128: didrocks http://paste.ubuntu.com/551466/
[13:00] <didrocks> gnome-session[2196]: WARNING: Had to kill '/usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test' helper
[13:00] <didrocks> so, it's timeouting
[13:01] <seb128> how much is the timeout?
[13:01] <didrocks> 500ms
[13:01] <seb128> I guess it takes longer than that to run...
[13:01] <didrocks> but it still should launch compiz + unity + gnome-panel
[13:01] <seb128> well if the check fails it shouldn't?
[13:01] <didrocks> seb128: depends, works well here, ~200 ms at cold start was the worst case
[13:02] <seb128> well your box might be faster than others
[13:02] <didrocks> seb128: as told before, it's going to the fallback section
[13:02] <didrocks> knowing that some false positive can happened, it launches for now unity + gnome-panel
[13:02] <seb128> ok
[13:02] <seb128> weird then
[13:02] <didrocks> but in any case, it should launch it…
[13:03] <seb128> didrocks, I guess change the check to "sleep 1" and see what happens?
[13:03] <seb128> or sh -c sleep 1
[13:03] <seb128> or a wrapper calling it
[13:03] <didrocks> seb128: what happens is what pitti is seeing in the daily build on his mini10v
[13:03] <didrocks> seb128: I aready tested it :)
[13:03] <seb128> didrocks, why is pitti's one going to fallback btw? timeout as well?
[13:04] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, timeout I guess, hence my question of using /bin/true to test it's really the case
[13:04] <seb128> or check .xsession-errors
[13:04] <didrocks> but if it's a timeout, this behavior is expected
[13:04] <didrocks> gnomefreak's one isn't
[13:05] <seb128> right
[13:05] <gnomefreak> didrocks: one isnt?
[13:05] <didrocks> gnomefreak: the behavior you are seeing
[13:05] <didrocks> meaning no unity
[13:06] <gnomefreak> yeah i know i kind of miss it
[13:07] <didrocks> gnomefreak: if you change to /bin/true as told above, do you see unity running?
[13:09] <gnomefreak> didrocks: sorry i was lost. you want me to run unity with an argument /bin/true
[13:10] <didrocks> gnomefreak: 13:44:42    didrocks | ok, can you put IsRunnableHelper=/bin/true in /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/ubuntu.session
[13:13] <gnomefreak> didrocks: should i leave IsRunnableHelper=/usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test in there?
[13:13] <didrocks> gnomefreak: no, replace it please
[13:13] <gnomefreak> ok
[13:14] <gnomefreak> ok done. i guess ill reboot and let you know if it loads. thanks
[13:16] <mvo> didrocks: can I haz timezone display in the unity clock ?
[13:16] <seb128> lol
[13:16] <seb128> mvo, you wish ;-)
[13:17] <didrocks> mvo: depends how much you pay ted :)
[13:17] <pitti> I can haz proper time format before?
[13:17] <mvo> that too!
[13:17] <mvo> proper timeformat +++
[13:18] <pitti> Dear U.S., last time I checked a day had 24 hours, not 12!!!111!!one!
[13:18] <didrocks> :)
[13:18] <JackyAlcine> LOLL
[13:19] <cyphermox> hi
[13:19] <pitti> hey cyphermox, good morning
[13:19] <cyphermox> pitti, hey
[13:19] <cyphermox> I noticed you did a few reassignments for bugs in NM? :)
[13:20] <pitti> cyphermox: yeah, I cleaned up asac's desktop-ish bugs and fished out the ones which we should really look at
[13:20] <didrocks> hey cyphermox
[13:20] <pitti> cyphermox: I think you earned two of them
[13:20] <cyphermox> hey didrocks
[13:20] <cyphermox> pitti, sure
[13:20] <pitti> cyphermox: if you don't have time for them, please just unassign, but I wanted to run these by you at least
[13:20] <cyphermox> there's a couple you touched that I saw are for sure fixed
[13:20] <pitti> cyphermox: yes, I'm sure that 80% of the bug reports are either fixed or obsolete in a different way
[13:21] <cyphermox> I'll just fish out the commit numbers and say in which release they are fixed, then we can figure out whether it's sru-able
[13:21] <pitti> cyphermox: I didn't do a full triaging job, just cleaning up asac's bug as per jasoncwarner's and marjo's request
[13:21] <cyphermox> sure... I should have done so long ago
[13:21] <pitti> cyphermox: don't worry too much about it for now; if you could have a look at the two I sent to you, that'd be great, but don't take it as "OMGmustfixnow"
[13:22] <cyphermox> pitti, i can go in omgmustfixnow mode shortly, I just want to fix one string and I can upload a new revision of nm-applet with the icons and everything
[13:23] <pitti> no hurry
[13:23] <pitti> cyphermox: e. g. the "netdev" one is just cleanup, but not urgent in any way
[13:23] <pitti> cyphermox: perhaps you should coordinate with pedro_ about a hug day for NM, to get them back to a sane level?
[13:23] <cyphermox> yes
[13:24] <cyphermox> uh-oh, can't right click :/
[13:24] <pitti> bought a Mac?
[13:24] <cyphermox> hahaha
[13:24] <cyphermox> no, using unity :)
[13:25] <cyphermox> didrocks, I guess you may have gotten bug reports about those -- context menus, indicator menus, etc... menus in general painting behind the desktop or something?
[13:25] <didrocks> cyphermox: yep, known compiz bug
[13:25] <cyphermox> oh, it's in compiz
[13:25] <didrocks> cyphermox: you can right click on the desktop to reset that
[13:25] <didrocks> it should work
[13:26] <cyphermox> I would open terminator and close it until it would work
[13:26] <pitti> mvo: GOODNESS! cache.update(sources_list=...), that's exactly what I need in jockey *hug*
[13:27] <cyphermox> pitti, do we really want to remove the netdev policy and keep a delta from debian?
[13:28] <pitti> cyphermox: we have a delta anyway, don't we? but if it doesn't hurt, and the delta would be significant to maintain, then just "wontfix" it
[13:29] <cyphermox> it's not significant and in fact I see there are a few bugs related to such group in the BTS
[13:29] <cyphermox> pitti, it's not quite a delta, just an upload of wpasupplicant from debian's svn
[13:29] <pitti> having group-based ACLs is quite old-fashioned, and it'd be better to get rid of it at some point (also in Debian), but certainly not up to the point where it causes a lot more work
[13:29] <mvo> pitti: my pleasure!
[13:29] <cyphermox> once they release 0.7 or 0.8 I'll just ask for it to be synced
[13:30] <pitti> cyphermox: if it's the difference between "ubuntu1" and "sync", then by all means "sync"
[13:30] <cyphermox> pitti, it's simple enough to remove, so I'll take care of it
[13:30] <cyphermox> oh ok
[13:30] <cyphermox> I can always make sure the wpasupplicant maintainers know about the changes too ;)
[13:31] <pitti> cyphermox: sharing packaging with debian always trumps cosmetical stuff, of course
[13:31] <asac> how is unity in natty?
[13:31] <asac> can I upgrade? ;)
[13:31]  * asac thinks its a bad idea
[13:31] <cyphermox> pitti, that's why I was asking :) but I'll make sure we get it out of wpasupplicant in debian as well
[13:31] <pitti> asac: if you don't mind launching apps from a terminal, it's fine
[13:31] <asac> lol
[13:32] <pitti> cyphermox: Debian has a different policy still, they still heavily rely on groups
[13:32] <cyphermox> oh ok
[13:32] <pitti> asac: we don't have the counterpart of the app menu yet
[13:32] <asac> pitti: question is if i can start a terminal at all (in maverick alt+f2 didnt work)
[13:32] <pitti> asac: alt+f2 doesn't, no; but ctrl+alt+t does :)
[13:32] <asac> oh
[13:32] <cyphermox> ohh
[13:32]  * asac tries
[13:32] <asac> haha
[13:32] <pitti> asac: and you have "nautilus /usr/share/applications", which appears when you click on the ubuntu logo
[13:32] <pitti> asac: poor man's app menu :)
[13:32] <asac> thats "launcher big"
[13:33] <asac> pitti: but its using nux and friends?
[13:33] <asac> or am i just left with compiz + terminal atm?
[13:34] <pitti> asac: you have the panel, launcher, and nautilus as usual
[13:34] <pitti> asac: try current live CD
[13:34] <pitti> asac: I have used it for quite a while
[13:35] <asac> oh my launcher stuff would be stiill there ... that should be good enough
[13:35] <pitti> it's annoying to not have a system tray any more, but otherwise I get along
[13:35] <asac> hmm
[13:35] <pitti> asac: yes, that works well; custom launchers in GNOME panel are auto-translated into the unity launcher
[13:35]  * asac thinks for a moment and decides to wait till alpha-2
[13:35] <seb128> pitti, why do you have still using the systray?
[13:35] <pitti> seb128: mainly for evolution appointment notifier and gtimelog
[13:36] <nessita> je
[13:36] <pitti> and I seriously miss the system monitor (CPU/load)
[13:36] <pitti> perhaps we should have libnotify integratino of dpkg-buildpackage, that pings you when a package build is done :)
[13:36] <pitti> (that's my main use of the CPU-meter)
[13:36] <seb128> that would be nice ;-)
[13:36] <pitti> or make
[13:36] <pitti> (for upstream builds)
[13:36] <seb128> should be easy to do as well
[13:37] <gnomefreak> didrocks: after reboot and several gdm restarts it isnt loading any panels
[13:37] <pitti> seb128: but missing appointments really sucks
[13:37] <didrocks> gnomefreak: can you paste your new .xsession-errors, please?
[13:38] <pitti> seb128: in fact I switched back to panel this morning, when the plumber ringed me out of the shower :)
[13:38] <gnomefreak> didrocks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/551481/
[13:39] <seb128> pitti, isn't the calendar thing opening a dialog on screen?
[13:39] <pitti> seb128: not by default; it just shows an icon in the tray
[13:39] <pitti> and gives a notification, but that's easy to miss
[13:39] <didrocks> gnomefreak: I still don't understand… you should have at least compiz trying to start and the log shows it's not the case…
[13:39] <seb128> ok, I probably changed it at some point
[13:39] <seb128> I get a dialog opening on screen for reminders
[13:40] <pitti> alecu: that was quick :) (quotes page)
[13:40] <didrocks> gnomefreak: I guess you have compiz-core and compiz-gnome installed, isn't it?
[13:40] <alecu> :-)
[13:40] <gnomefreak> didrocks: yes both are installed
[13:41] <didrocks> gnomefreak: I really have no idea for now, sorry…
[13:41] <pitti> seb128: but yes, popup window sounds easier than appindicator integration
[13:41] <didrocks> gnomefreak: you don't have any windowmanager running in your session, I guess?
[13:42] <gnomefreak> didrocks: i doubt it since i now get no panels or anything else. just desktop background
[13:42] <gnomefreak> didrocks: thanks for trying. i guess i will stick with classic desktop
[13:43] <seb128> pitti, well I still have a gnome-panel running for the menus and the run a command there... ;-)
[13:43] <didrocks> gnomefreak: well, you still can have a window manager. look at ps aux | grep comp and ps aux | grep met
[13:44] <gnomefreak> didrocks: ps aux | grep met is the only one that has something runnning
[13:44] <gnomefreak> metacity
[13:45] <didrocks> gnomefreak: which version of gnome-session do you have?
[13:46] <gnomefreak> didrocks: Installed: 2.32.1-0ubuntu8
[13:47] <didrocks> weird, I see no case when metacity can be launched whereas compiz wasn't launched before… apart from setting a wrong wm in gnome-wm, which isn't the case as you set /bin/true for checking
[13:53] <mterry> didrocks, is there going to be a new unity release this week?
[13:54] <didrocks> mterry: no, some people on the team was sick this week, so there will be no release
[13:54] <mterry> QQ
[13:54] <seb128> no breaking before traveling in any case!
[13:55] <didrocks> well, if it was yesterday, it could have been doable still, but today, no no and no :)
[13:56] <seb128> didrocks, I know where to find you if you break anything before travelling
[13:56] <seb128> so be careful :p
[13:56] <gnomefreak> didrocks: when it was first introduced it worked fine, other than a few bugs. but im wondering can it be lack of memory causing this issue, i have 256mb of ram
[13:56] <didrocks> seb128: depends, I can finally change my destination at the airport :-)
[13:56] <seb128> didrocks, I will wait for you at the airport if required :p
[13:57] <didrocks> seb128: Paris has a lot of other destinations :)
[13:59] <mterry> seb128, is glib2.0 supposed to be in the desktop set?  I could see an argument for it not being, as it's pretty 'core', but I was surprised
[14:01] <seb128> didrocks, ok, be nice then, I don't want to have to track you across the world :p
[14:02] <didrocks> seb128: hehe :)
[14:02] <seb128> mterry, that's a question for cjwatson I guess
[14:02] <seb128> mterry, since glib is used by kde and plymouth and other things...
[14:02] <seb128> I consider it desktopish but I can see a point to limit access to it
[14:03] <mterry> seb128, asking in #u-devel
[14:16] <bcurtiswx_> good morning room
[14:31] <rodrigo_> hi bcurtiswx
[14:31] <rodrigo_> brb
[14:38] <bcurtiswx_> hi rodrigo_ :)
[14:45] <rodrigo_> ugh, my apt is broken due to uninstallable python2.7-minimal
[14:45] <rodrigo_> apt-get -f install doesn't even work
[14:45] <rodrigo_> so what can I do?
[14:47] <rodrigo_> hmm, and dpkg-reconfigure is gone?
[14:52] <mvo> rodrigo_: could you pastebin the output please? was this a maverick->natty upgrade?
[14:54] <rodrigo_> mvo, no, an upgrade already on natty
[14:54] <rodrigo_> mvo, pasting
[14:54] <pitti> didrocks: I booted teh live system again, still the same problem, for the record
[14:55] <didrocks> pitti: did you try setting /bin/true as asked before?
[14:55] <pitti> didrocks: oh, you asked me something? must have missed it
[14:55] <didrocks> pitti: look at .xsession-errors
[14:55] <rodrigo_> mvo, http://pastebin.com/vXH1RfZu
[14:55] <pitti> didrocks: looking
[14:55] <didrocks> pitti: do you have something like "/usr/lib/nux/… helper killed"?
[14:56] <didrocks> or something similar, do not remember the wording :)
[14:56] <pitti> didrocks: yes, I do, from gnome-session
[14:56] <pitti> didrocks: so that's known?
[14:56] <mvo> rodrigo_: what does dpkg --configure -a say?
[14:56] <mvo> rodrigo_: put a sudo in front of it :)
[14:56] <didrocks> pitti: ok, so it's a timeout, if you set  IsRunnableHelper=/bin/true in /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/ubuntu.session, this should fix it
[14:57] <pitti> didrocks: ah, ok
[14:57] <pitti> didrocks: I also seem to have a bottom panel now (empty), known as well?
[14:57] <didrocks> pitti: well, I kept the default upstream timeout (500s) for the check, knowing that we would maybe get some issues. I'll expand it
[14:57] <pitti> didrocks: 500s?
[14:57] <didrocks> pitti: I guess it's just gnome-panel with crashing applets
[14:57] <didrocks> ms*
[14:57] <pitti> ah
[14:57] <pitti> didrocks: presumably
[14:57] <pitti> didrocks: but why is gnoem-panel running in the first place?
[14:58] <didrocks> pitti: can you just try to change the value to confirm?
[14:58] <pitti> didrocks: I thought that was the very thing that unity_support should prevent?
[14:58] <didrocks> pitti: it's a fallback if unity can't run
[14:58] <didrocks> and as the checker timeout, gnome-session runs the fallback
[14:58] <rodrigo_> mvo, http://pastebin.com/da2rz1zq
[14:59] <pitti> didrocks: I can't confirm it that way; if I merely restart the session withoout changing anything, it works, too
[14:59] <pitti> didrocks: and I can't change the file before I get the session started up on the live usb stick
[14:59] <didrocks> pitti: works like, no gnome-panel?
[14:59] <pitti> didrocks: right
[14:59] <mvo> rodrigo_: aha! I think its around line 58 - python2.7-minimal is borked
[14:59] <pitti> didrocks: but it proves that it's timing related
[14:59] <didrocks> yeah, so it's should be that
[14:59] <pitti> didrocks: first startup is slower
[15:00] <pitti> didrocks: ok, thanks
[15:00] <didrocks> pitti: I'll expand the timeout
[15:00] <mvo> rodrigo_: hold on a sec
[15:00] <rodrigo_> mvo, yes, it's the one preventing the others to setup
[15:00] <didrocks> pitti: and make some caching as we planned for alpha3 then
[15:00] <pitti> didrocks: can you do that in casper?
[15:00] <pitti> didrocks: or does it need to be everywhere?
[15:00] <pitti> i. e. is the timeout in gconf or anything, or hardcoded?
[15:00] <didrocks> it's hardcoded
[15:01] <didrocks> and I think some people can get it in very very slow machines
[15:01] <mvo> rodrigo_: could you please try sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archive/python-minimal_<tab>.deb ?
[15:01] <mvo> rodrigo_: probably version 2.7.1-0ubuntu4, but just press tab to see what you have
[15:01] <rodrigo_> mvo, hmm, it's gone from the cache
[15:02] <rodrigo_> although I tried installing it by hand a few times, with dpkg -i
[15:02] <mvo> rodrigo_: could you check (e.g. with apt-cache policy python-minimal or dpkg -l) what version you have?
[15:02] <didrocks> pitti: just on the "why unity + gnome-panel and not just gnome-panel", as I knew there will be false positive on the checker, I let unity still starting on the fallback for some time
[15:02] <rodrigo_> mvo, oh, sorry, it's archives, no archive
[15:03] <rodrigo_> mvo, fails with the same error, NoneType....
[15:03] <rodrigo_> mvo, I have 2.7.1-0ubuntu4 installed
[15:05] <micahg> do you guys do branches for older releases as well, or just the devel release?
[15:05] <didrocks> micahg: depends on who is doing the update, I tend to do ~ubuntu-desktop/packagename/maverick for instance
[15:06] <mvo> rodrigo_: ok, thanks, what about python-central? is there a update for this in the cache that you could install?
[15:06] <rodrigo_> mvo, let me see
[15:07] <mvo> rodrigo_: its the "joy" of these helpers, python-support, python-central are IMO all way to complex with this whole byte-compile at runtime
[15:07] <rodrigo_> mvo, no, I guess I'd get it by hand from the repo
[15:07] <micahg> didrocks: ok, I just did an update for gnome-python-extras, cjwatson added it to the ubuntu-desktop main branch (I should've proposed a merge for you guys instead), I need to make an SRU for maverick, how would you like me to do it?
[15:08] <micahg> err..rather he added it to the ubuntu-desktop branch :)
[15:09] <didrocks> micahg: which branch?
[15:10] <micahg> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-python-extras/ubuntu
[15:11] <mvo> rodrigo_: what does python -c "import sys; sys.path.insert(0, '/usr/share/python'); import pyversions; print pyversions.default_version()"
[15:11] <mvo> rodrigo_: print for you?
[15:12] <didrocks> micahg: ok, so you can either create a ~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-python-extras/maverick or just upload
[15:12] <rodrigo_> mvo, python2.7
[15:12] <micahg> didrocks: ok, I don't have permissions to create an ~ubuntu-desktop branch yet, if you want to create it, I'll be happy to propose a merge for it
[15:12] <rodrigo_> hmm, there isn't a --force option for dpkg to force installation
[15:13] <didrocks> micahg: I'm branching the maverick version and pushing there
[15:13] <mvo> rodrigo_: no, maintainer scripts can not be forced (by design)
[15:13] <micahg> didrocks: great, thanks
[15:15] <mvo> rodrigo_: could you pleae (just for the kick) add: "self.default_runtime = get_default_runtime()" before line 1095? and a print afterwarts to see what the result is?
[15:16] <rodrigo_> mvo, which file?
[15:18] <didrocks> micahg: done!
[15:18] <micahg> didrocks: thanks, I should have it in a few minutes
[15:19] <mvo> rodrigo_: sorry, /usr/bin/pycentral
[15:19] <didrocks> you're welcome :)
[15:23] <pitti> didrocks, kenvandine: is it known that the global menu bar disappears while a window is focussed (i. e. the mouse is inside it)?
[15:23] <pitti> or sohuld I report it as a bug?
[15:24] <kenvandine> pitti, i am pretty sure there is a bug about that... but can't say for sure
[15:24] <kenvandine> didrocks, ^^
[15:24] <didrocks> pitti: in unity?
[15:24] <pitti> didrocks: yes
[15:24] <pitti> kenvandine: is that indicator-appmenu?
[15:24] <didrocks> pitti: like, when the mouse is not in the panel, there is no menu?
[15:25] <pitti> didrocks: correct
[15:25] <didrocks> pitti: it's on purpose
[15:25] <pitti> ??
[15:25] <kenvandine> didrocks, that isn't a bug?
[15:25] <pitti> another design breakage?
[15:25]  * kenvandine hates that
[15:25] <didrocks> yeah, it's the first design that was presented
[15:25] <didrocks> kenvandine: no, it's not
[15:25] <kenvandine> ugh....
[15:25] <pitti> why are half of the unity bugs that I run into declared "features"?
[15:25] <didrocks> pitti: the only bug that is logged is that you don't see the menu on pressing alt
[15:25] <pitti> didrocks: how can that not be a bug?
[15:25] <pitti> didrocks: right, that too
[15:26] <pitti> didrocks: but it's confusing to not see the menu to even see what you want to do
[15:26] <didrocks> pitti: it's the design from the start, looking for the link, one sec
[15:26] <pitti> *sigh*
[15:26] <pitti> (sorry, I know it's not your fault)
[15:26] <didrocks> pitti: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/359
[15:26] <didrocks> "By default, we’d display the contents of the title bar. When you mouse up to the panel, or when you press the Alt key, the contents would switch to the menu. That way, you’re looking at the document title most of the time, unless you move towards it to click on the menu.
[15:26] <didrocks> "
[15:27] <Shred00> if i have lp:ubuntu/maverick/evolution checked out, how can i change that tree to lp:ubuntu/maverick-proposed/evolution?
[15:27] <didrocks> kenvandine: ^
[15:27] <pitti> Shred00: bzr pull --remember lp:ubuntu/maverick-proposed/evolution
[15:27] <kenvandine> didrocks, thx...
[15:27] <pitti> didrocks: thanks for the pointer
[15:27] <didrocks> you're welcome :)
[15:28] <pitti> didrocks: I pretty much gave up on using menus with non-maximized windows anyway (as this is broken with focus-follows-mouse), but now I don't even see what I'm missing :)
[15:29] <Shred00> pitti: thanx much!
[15:29] <didrocks> pitti: ahah :) TBH, even when my menu are broken, I notice that I don't use them (some accelerators, which are still working), but really few of them
[15:30] <didrocks> pitti: pitti for the focus-follows-mouse issue, the design team logged it as a task to consider
[15:33] <pitti> didrocks: ah, that's good to hear; even if we'd just disable global menu on FFM, that'd be enough
[15:35] <micahg> didrocks: would you like a release tag in the merge or UNRELEASED?
[15:36] <didrocks> micahg: it will be once we set the version to maverick-proposed
[15:36] <didrocks> micahg: I won't be able to test it though, I don't have a maverick box right now
[15:36] <didrocks> so, if someone else wants to review/test…
[15:37] <micahg> right, but how should I propose the merge, with maverick-proposed or UNRELEASED?
[15:38] <rodrigo_> bbiab
[15:40] <didrocks> micahg: UNRELEASED
[15:41] <bcurtiswx_> kenvandine, were you able to create a VM with natty + gnome3 yet.  I just wanted to know if you got unity working (you mentioned it was supposed to) i haven't been able to
[15:42] <jcastro> didrocks: I just noticed your commit message when you switched to banshee. <3
[15:42] <didrocks> jcastro: hehe :-)
[15:42]  * didrocks hugs jcastro
[15:44] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx_, unity is working fine in the vm
[15:44] <kenvandine> i got one with the gnome3 ppa added now
[15:45] <kenvandine> but haven't installed any build stuff yet
[15:45] <micahg> didrocks: done and test case added to bug, thanks
[15:45] <didrocks> micahg: yw :)
[15:45] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx_, the trick with virtualbox and unity... enable 3d in the settings and install the guest extensions
[15:47] <bcurtiswx_> kenvandine, OK.  I tried VBx4 and it does some weird things making it so I couldn't install guest additions
[15:47] <kenvandine> oh?
[15:47] <kenvandine> worked fine here
[15:48] <kenvandine> just mount the iso in the VM
[15:48] <kenvandine> and run the installed
[15:48] <kenvandine> installer
[15:49] <bcurtiswx_> kenvandine, I'll try it when i get home..
[15:49] <kenvandine> cool
[15:50] <bcurtiswx_> i installed 10.10 back on my laptop.. going to rely on VM's for natty instead.  Needed my laptop more for work.  Gotta get more into coding models, needed the stability
[15:51] <kenvandine> yeah :)
[15:51] <kenvandine> although natty has been stable for me... except when messing with crack from tedg
[15:51] <kenvandine> :-D
[15:53] <Shred00> ok.  used bzr pull to change to lp:ubuntu/maverick-proposed/evolution and it told me i needed to use missing and merge.  missing seems informational, fair enough, but what should i do with merge to resolve the issues?
[15:53] <bcurtiswx_> kenvandine, is tedg a seller?? :P
[15:53] <kenvandine> apparently :)
[15:54] <tedg> bcurtiswx_, more of a pusher actually ;)
[15:54] <bcurtiswx_> tedg, lol :)
[17:23] <glatzor> hello mvo, how can I assign a value list to apt_pkg.config? apt_pkg.config["dpkg::options::"] = "--force-not-root --root /tmp/bla/" doesn't seem to work
[17:35] <pitti> TTFN; need to do packing and getting up at 5 tomorrow
[17:35] <pitti> see you in Dallas!
[17:36] <kenvandine> safe travels pitti
[17:37] <seb128> should do that as well
[17:37] <seb128> pitti, see you tomorrow!
[17:37] <seb128> pitti, I land at 15:40 so see you in the evening at the hotel maybe
[17:37] <pitti> seb128: I land at 1415
[17:37] <seb128> oh ok
[17:37] <seb128> I will text you when I'm at the hotel
[17:37] <pitti> seb128: yes, for dinner and beer at the latest
[17:38] <pitti> kenvandine: thanks, you too! not so far from you, I guess
[17:38] <seb128> see you
[17:38] <kenvandine> :)
[17:38] <kenvandine> 3 short hours :)
[17:40] <didrocks> see you in Dallas pitti, have a safe travel
[17:41] <didrocks> same for you seb128!
[17:42] <seb128> didrocks, see you there
[18:19] <didrocks> ok, high time to pack, see you on Sunday