[00:37] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[00:39] <pr0ph3t> how do I check the status of the rf switches?
[00:41] <brobostigon> pr0ph3t: elaborate, rf switches. please.
[00:42] <pr0ph3t> brobostigon, apparently on a laptop the combination of fn + keys operates on rf switches witch would turn on or off the wifi or 3g
[00:42] <brobostigon> pr0ph3t: hw switches, yes.
[00:43] <pr0ph3t> brobostigon, and you have soft ones and hw ones
[00:43] <brobostigon> pr0ph3t: yes,
[00:43] <pr0ph3t> brobostigon, how do I check their status?
[00:44] <pr0ph3t> brobostigon, I am trying to solve some problems with my 3g modem
[00:44] <brobostigon> pr0ph3t: iwould say in software, the output of dmesg, and lsusb and lspci and lshw to str.
[00:46] <brobostigon> pr0ph3t: mainly dmesg, the kernel buffer, as that will pick up on hw status changes.
[00:50] <brobostigon> nos da all, sleep well.
[00:57] <the1knight> pr0ph3t - i solved the problem with audacity
[01:10] <the1knight> every time i bring up "server channel list"  XChat freezes. Anyone else gets that?
[01:12] <the1knight> hmm, i guess not
[01:17] <the1knight> conversation in here is rivetting, cya
[01:39] <andylockran> howdy
[02:33] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[02:33] <pr0ph3t> when I do rfkills list all I get just the bluetooth and the wifi, but I should get the 3G modem as well, anyone know how I can activate rfswitches for that as well?
[07:01] <nigelb> popey: if you're still loking for a topic, may be about buying hardware that works with ubuntu
[07:40] <knightwise> morning everyone
[08:40] <knightwise> morrrnign webpigeon_laptop
[09:18] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:19] <screen-x> morning czajkowski
[09:19] <screen-x> morning all :)
[09:21] <dwatkins> good morning
[09:27] <ocean> hi guys my HP laptop 64 bit, a dual boot is over heating with s thanksubuntu. can any one guide me how to fix thi
[09:28] <ocean> hi guys my HP laptop overheats with ubuntu 10.10( a dual boot with win7) and freezes occasionally, can any one help me pls
[09:32] <kazade> morning
[09:33] <kazade> looks like my brief adventure into GPU driver programming has come to an end. Came in to find the mini-pc with the SIS chipset I was intending to write one for had overheated and died :/
[09:34] <kazade> is there anyway to tell whether it's the CPU or motherboard that has died?
[09:37] <BigRedS> kazade: generally, replace one and see if it fixes it, unfortunately
[09:38] <BigRedS> except for some fairly specific failure modes, in which case you need *some* posting
[09:38] <kazade> yeah that's what I thought
[09:38] <kazade> fortunately, it's a P4 chip
[09:38] <kazade> and I've found one on ebay for a fiver
[09:40] <cps> Morning ubuntupeeps :)
[09:40] <cps> haven't been here since last year, nice to be back
[09:40] <BigRedS> cps: last year wasn't *that* long ago
[09:40] <BigRedS> kazade: ah, old hardware for the win! :)
[09:41] <cps> BigRedS: yes, the pun was intended
[09:41] <cps> :p
[09:41] <BigRedS> ahh
[09:41] <BigRedS> I'm slow at this time of day :)
[09:41] <cps> nae worries
[09:41] <cps> it happens
[09:41] <screen-x> http://abuse.doiop.com/  hmm I wonder why the submit button doesn't work: '<div class="ArticleBody" <form="" id="abuseform" method="post" action="/">'
[09:41] <kazade> BigRedS, yeah, it used to act as a firewall at my company, but we moved to routers running Linux and so I acquired it about a year ago and let it sit in a cupboard
[09:41] <kazade> BigRedS, then yesterday I dusted it off, installed Ubuntu on it and found that the SIS graphics chipset has no drivers (basically)
[09:42] <cps> oh dear
[09:42] <cps> sterlingxs shelves have run completely dry
[09:42] <cps> :(
[09:42] <kazade> BigRedS, so, I decided to dig in and attempt to write a KMS driver for it, I checked out the kernel and code from git, started reading up on GPU drivers and browsing the source code of the existing drivers and left it compiling the kernel last night...
[09:43] <screen-x> cps:  yeah, I tried to phone them yesterday, but they didn't answer :(
[09:43] <kazade> came in this morning to find it still on, but not responding to SSH and without any picture when connecting a monitor and now turning on just spins up the fan, but does nothing else
[09:45] <BigRedS> kazade: ah. That *might* not be hardware failure. I've seen machines do that and people better than me coax them into life
[09:45] <BigRedS> no idea how, though. I wouldn't even know where to start really
[09:45] <kazade> I think that, dust + kernel compiling = dead CPI
[09:45] <kazade> *CPU
[09:46] <BigRedS> yeah, it's a pretty believable end-result
[09:46] <screen-x> kazade: quick, tell \. that gentoo killed your box
[09:46] <kazade> lol :)
[09:46] <BigRedS> haha
[09:46] <kazade> I've ordered a new CPU, fingers crossed
[09:54] <popey> Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood morning!
[09:54] <kazade> morning popey
[09:54] <kazade> did you have a good Xmas/NYE ?
[09:54] <screen-x> popey that looks like a lot of search results
[09:55] <dwatkins> G'day popey et al
[09:56] <ocean> hi guys i have a ati mobility readon HD 5470 graphic card (switchable with intel HD GMA). when i installed fglrx the GUI disappeared and took me to the command prompt. i had to make a clean install to get everything right.i havent re installed fglrx driver as of yet but i find my machine overheats quiet a lot. can any one guide me in the right direction pls.thanks
[09:56] <kazade> ocean, how did you install fglrx?
[09:56] <kazade> through the "Hardware Drivers" screen?
[09:58] <ocean> kazade, when i installed ubntu 10.10 first time a pop up window came up asking if i want to install the new driver? i said yes and it installed
[09:58] <kazade> hmm
[09:58] <kazade> that *shouldn't* break it :)
[09:59] <kazade> ocean, thinking... one sec...
[10:00] <ocean> kazade, evenwithout fglrx my compiz is working. does it mean that intel HD GMA is the active g card on my ubuntu machine?
[10:00] <ocean> now
[10:01] <kazade> ocean, no, not necessarily, the open-source (e.g. built-in) ATI drivers also support Compiz
[10:01] <kazade> can you do me a favour, open a terminal (CTRL+ALT+t) and type glxinfo
[10:01] <kazade> and press enter
[10:01] <directhex> kazade, on some chips
[10:01] <kazade> that should tell you if it's using the ATI or Intel drivers, if it says it can't find the command, you need to install a package called "mesa-utils" ( sudo apt-get install mesa-utils )
[10:02] <ocean> kazade, just a sec
[10:02] <kazade> directhex, yeah
[10:04] <kazade> ocean, actually, I think the HD 5470 is an "Evergreen" chipset, which doesn't support Compiz with the built-in driver
[10:06] <popey> kazade: yes, lovely christmas, and even better new year
[10:07] <ocean> kazade, so hos is the compiz workin now
[10:07] <kazade> ocean, I think your suspicion about it using the Intel chip may be correct
[10:07] <kazade> but the output of glxinfo will confirm it
[10:08] <ocean> kazade, http://pastebin.ca/2040206
[10:09] <kazade> ocean: OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ironlake Mobile GEM 20100330 DEVELOPMENT
[10:09] <kazade> try rebooting, entering the bios, and looking for some kind of switch from integrated -> discrete graphics
[10:09] <ocean> kazade, is that the driver that is supporting m ATI card now?
[10:09] <kazade> ocean, no, that's the Intel driver. So it's using the Intel chip (which would explain why it wouldn't boot when you enabled fglrx)
[10:10] <kazade> unfortunately switchable graphics aren't supported (well) in Linux yet
[10:10] <kazade> so you're best bet is to set the bios to enable the ATI chip, then boot Ubuntu..
[10:10] <kazade> if the output of glxinfo changes (e.g. it says AMD or ATI somewhere) then try enabling fglrx
[10:11] <kazade> (disclaimer: this is all guesswork, I've never used switchable graphics before :) )
[10:11] <ocean> kazade, so the steps are to install fglrx and switch to discrete graphics from integrated? on windows switching is done by itself.
[10:11] <hoover> mornin lads
[10:12] <kazade> ocean, I'd switch the bios first to be on the safe side
[10:12] <kazade> then if it boots and glxinfo says the ATI driver is in use, you can assume it'll be safe(r) to enable fglrx
[10:12] <ocean> kazade, so if i switch and come to ubuntu would it show GUI without the driver installed already?
[10:13] <kazade> ocean, yes, it probably won't have compiz though
[10:13] <kazade> it'll use the built-in (limited and slower) driver
[10:14] <ocean> kazade, do i have to uninstall compiz. if i change the bios set up what happens to the ability of windows to switch G cards automatically
[10:15] <kazade> no, compiz just won't run you don't need to uninstall it. I'd assume Windows can carry on working as usual, but you may find if you switch to Intel in Windows, and then reboot to Ubuntu, you might need to set it to discrete again in the bios (not totally sure about that, just a guess)
[10:15] <ocean_> sory i was disconnected
[10:15] <kazade> ocean_, no, compiz just won't run you don't need to uninstall it. I'd assume Windows can carry on working as usual, but you may find if you switch to Intel in Windows, and then reboot to Ubuntu, you might need to set it to discrete again in the bios (not totally sure about that, just a guess)
[10:16] <kazade> hopefully that won't be the case, and you are basically changing the "default" on boot (e.g. Windows will switch back to Intel when it starts if that's what you set it to do)
[10:18] <kazade> ocean_, relevant bug report is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/312756
[10:18] <ocean_> kazade, windows do it of its own when its connected to power and back when its on the battery. so i hope that wouldnt be affected
[10:19] <kazade> hmm, yes let's hope so. I think you may just have to try it to find out I'm afraid :(
[10:29] <ocean> kazade, i just had a look at BIOS. i couldnt see anything to change for the graphics card. there is one option for virtualisation.is that the same thing
[10:30] <kazade> ocean, no...
[10:31] <kazade> what's your laptop model?
[10:31] <bigcalm> Morning peeoples
[10:31] <screen-x> morning bigcalm :)
[10:31] <bigcalm> TFIF?
[10:31] <ocean> hp dv6 3150sa
[10:32] <screen-x> I'm glad its friday, yes :)
[10:32] <bigcalm> ;)
[10:32] <bigcalm> 4 day week seemed to take forever
[10:32] <screen-x> yeah!
[10:32] <ocean> kazade, hp dv6 3150sa
[10:34] <hoover> hello bigcalm
[10:34] <bigcalm> Hi hoovie :)
[10:35] <kazade> ocean, sorry, I'm running out of ideas
[10:36] <ocean> kazade, its alright dear freind. i am just learning. could u answer me some more queries of mine. just to have a good grip on what i am doin
[10:36] <kazade> ocean, sure :)
[10:38] <ocean> kazade, from the forums i could gather that fglrx could have interacted with the graphic driver already in place. why wouldnt i delete the one in place now and install fglrx and restart?
[10:38] <ocean> would it work?
[10:40] <kazade> I'm not totally sure if this is correct, but basically my theory is that Ubuntu can only *use* the intel chip, but it can *see* both of them. Because it can see the ATI chip it offers use the fglrx driver, but when you reboot fglrx tries to power the Intel chip...
[10:40] <bigcalm> I find having more than one make of gfx card in a linux box to be a disaster
[10:41] <kazade> ocean, basically, I think installing fglrx without being able to switch over to the ATI chip is just going to break your install
[10:41] <ocean> kazade, if thats the case does it ever work on ubuntu 10.10
[10:42] <kazade> if you can force the chip to switch from Intel -> ATI, then Ubuntu will use the built-in ati driver automatically, and then you can install fglrx
[10:42] <screen-x> is there no program for switching GPUs?
[10:43] <kazade> screen-x, there is the vga_switcheroo stuff..
[10:43] <kazade> but that involves compiling kernel stuff
[10:43] <ocean> kazade, okay. so it means that ubuntu cant do that switch automatically as windows is doin! :-(
[10:43] <kazade> ocean, not yet, it's WIP (take a read of http://airlied.livejournal.com )
[10:44] <kazade> ocean, I'm afraid that for the time being (at least until 11.04, but more likely 11.10) you're stuck with Intel
[10:44] <awilkins> Just got a coldcall from Delhi claiming to be tech support for Windows.... I almost wish I'd strung them along for a while but telling them I ran Linux got rid of them pretty fast...
[10:45] <awilkins> Probably some kind of "virus scanner" scam.
[10:45] <popey> yeah
[10:45] <popey> almost certainly
[10:45] <kazade> ocean, one thing you might try actually: boot into Windows with the AC connected, then reboot into Ubuntu... it's possible it'll hold the switch over on ATI
[10:45] <kazade> you can check that by using that glxinfo command
[10:46] <kazade> if that works, it's still a hassle, because if you go that route and then install fglrx, you'll need to boot into Windows first each time you want to run Ubuntu (I'm not convinced it'll work, but it might)
[10:46] <hoover> awilkins: or you could have used the flowchart from hell for telemarketers
[10:47] <ocean> kazade, anyway at the moment i am more worried about overheating. i can wait untill 11.04 lol
[10:47] <screen-x> hoover: linkage
[10:47] <kazade> ocean, you should be fine. Ubuntu is using the Intel chip with the official Intel driver...
[10:47] <hoover> http://www.xs4all.nl/~egbg/counterscript.html
[10:47] <kazade> ocean, unless of course it's still powering the ati chip regardless (which would eat your battery)
[10:47] <screen-x> hoover, thanks :)
[10:48] <hoover> you're welcome ;-)
[10:48] <kazade> ocean, I've found something! http://digitizor.com/2010/10/09/how-to-switch-between-gpu-in-ubuntu-10-10/
[10:49] <ocean> kazade, another problem with this laptop is the grub is being frequently deleted and i have to use a live cd to restore it.now i have made a bootable grub disk to help ot. is there any fix for it do u know. it seems i shouldnt have bot this bloody hp laptop
[10:49] <BigRedS> ocean: grub is deleted? What exactly happens?
[10:50] <BigRedS> Does grub actually disappear, or is it 'just' rendered unbootable?
[10:50] <BigRedS> And, when it has gone, what exactly happens then, too? How far through the boot does it get? What's the last thing on the screen?
[10:50] <BigRedS> Sorry for the wall of questions :)
[10:51] <kazade> ocean, I think your graphics problem can be "fixed" by installing that Ubuntu Control Center (more instructions here: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/06/ubuntu-control-center-brings-simplicity.html )
[10:51] <ocean> BigRedS, as usual when u restart the system u would find missing OS warning instead of the grub menu
[10:51] <popey> so reinstall grub?
[10:51] <ocean> kazade, thanks.could u just tell me in order the things i have to install.
[10:51] <ocean> pls
[10:52] <kazade> see that last link? just copy each line into a terminal one at a time
[10:52] <BigRedS> popey: but there's some other issue if it's 'being frequently deleted' surely?
[10:52] <kazade> (depending on your achitecture)
[10:52] <kazade> then, Ubuntu Control Center should appear in the menus somewhere
[10:52] <kazade> which has a switch for hybrid graphics (u need to restart though for it to take effect)
[10:52] <ocean> popey, i am reinstalling atleast once in a day now. to save my time i have made a bootable grub disk.i think that bug exist  in ubuntu now
[10:52] <popey> are you actually reinstalling it correctly though?
[10:53] <popey> is there a bios option which protects the mbr? if so, switch that off
[10:53] <screen-x> "boot sector virus protection"
[10:54] <ocean> popey, i am using this link to do it http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide
[10:54] <ocean> kazade, do i have to install the one in link ?
[10:54] <ocean> and then fglrx
[10:54] <popey> ocean: the bios option screen-x mentioned would likely cause your grub install to get undone
[10:55] <kazade> ocean, which architecture are you using AMD64 or 32?
[10:56] <ocean> kazade, AMD 64
[10:56] <kazade> ok, so go here: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/06/ubuntu-control-center-brings-simplicity.html
[10:56] <kazade> run each line in second box line by line (except the first line) into a terminal
[10:56] <kazade> then reboot
[10:56] <kazade> oh wait, don't reboot :)
[10:57] <kazade> once you've run each command, you should see the Ubuntu Control Centre - probably under the System Tools application menu
[10:57] <kazade> in there you can switch to the "high performance graphics" option
[10:57] <kazade> then reboot
[10:57] <kazade> then run glxinfo to check you are now running the ATI card
[10:57] <kazade> then you can install fglrx
[10:57] <ocean> kazade, but i havent installed fglrx untill now
[10:58] <kazade> install fglrx last :)
[10:58] <kazade> everything will continue working, honest. The built-in ATI driver will take over
[10:58] <kazade> (well, everything should continue working :p )
[10:59] <ocean> kazade, so let me recap.install the one in 64 bit box and then install fglrx and restart, is that the way?
[10:59] <kazade> no! :)
[10:59] <kazade> install the 64bit box..
[10:59] <kazade> then run the program it installed
[10:59] <kazade> select "high performance graphics" in the vga switcher section
[10:59] <kazade> reboot
[10:59] <kazade> run glxinfo (check to make sure it says ATI or AMD)
[11:00] <kazade> then if it does (and only if) install fglrx through hardware drivers
[11:00] <kazade> when you reboot one final time you should have accelerated graphics on the ATI chip
[11:01] <kazade> but you'll always need to run Ubuntu on that chip (e.g. no low-power intel one)
[11:01] <davmor2> morning all
[11:02] <ocean> kazade, yes my machine is installing it now.let me c what happens.  just to make me understand, without installing the FGLRX how does it get the driver for ATI?
[11:02] <kazade> Linux has a built in driver
[11:03] <kazade> it's limited, that's why Ubuntu offers to install the official one
[11:03] <kazade> but it's good enough for most (non-3D) stuff - like running your desktop without Compiz
[11:03] <MartijnVdS> only a little
[11:03] <MartijnVdS> you shouldn't switch until you find a program that doesn't work with the free driver, really
[11:03] <kazade> MartijnVdS, this is an evergreen chip - IIRC there is only 2D accel on it by default
[11:04] <kazade> in 10.10 at least
[11:04] <kazade> I may be wrong
[11:04] <MartijnVdS> kazade: still.. :)
[11:04] <kazade> :)
[11:05] <ocean> kazade, yes installation has gone through with a message that errors has been encountered.anyway i can see the UCC now.
[11:06] <kazade> ok... we might have to deal with those errors, can you pastebin them?
[11:06] <kazade> in the UCC you should find a vga switcher (hopefully!)
[11:07] <kazade> ocean, there's actually been an update since those instructions, if you install this package you'll get a newer UCC: http://ucc.googlecode.com/files/ucc_051_amd64.deb
[11:08] <ocean> do i have to delete the older one?
[11:08] <kazade> nope
[11:10] <selinuxium> Good morning everyone, how are things in Ubuntopia?
[11:11]  * kazade notices that the Ubuntu Control Center is actually really nice...
[11:11] <ocean> kazade, sorry i was logd out. can u send me that link once again pls
[11:11] <kazade> ocean, http://ucc.googlecode.com/files/ucc_051_amd64.deb
[11:11] <ocean> kazade, so just install this one on top, is it?
[11:11] <kazade> yup
[11:11] <BigRedS> where is this ubuntu control center I've just seen mentioned?
[11:12] <kazade> BigRedS, install the dependencies (everything except the last package): http://www.webupd8.org/2010/06/ubuntu-control-center-brings-simplicity.html
[11:12] <BigRedS> ahhhh, it's an add-o
[11:12] <BigRedS> n
[11:12] <kazade> BigRedS, then install from here: http://code.google.com/p/ucc/downloads/detail?name=ucc_051_amd64.deb&can=2&q=
[11:12] <BigRedS> That'll be why I can't find it :)
[11:12] <kazade> http://code.google.com/p/ucc/
[11:13] <kazade> with a bit of polish it would be good in the default install (Joystick calibration and VGA switching are in there)
[11:14] <BigRedS> oooh, this might be more successful than my attempts at monitor config yesterday :)
[11:14] <kazade> BigRedS, it uses the build in control panel  - so unlikely ;)
[11:14] <BigRedS> bah :(
[11:14] <kazade> ocean, were you able to use the VGA switcher?
[11:16] <ocean> kazade, where is that switcher in UCC.sorry i cant loacte that
[11:17] <kazade> under the hardware category -> audio and video
[11:17] <kazade> there is a "VGA Switching" item
[11:17] <ocean> kazade, ok, so switch it to high perfomance and restart is it?
[11:17] <kazade> yep
[11:18] <kazade> when you reboot, run glxinfo
[11:18] <kazade> see if it says "ATI"
[11:18] <kazade> and let me know :)
[11:18] <ocean> kazade, ok i will be back soon
[11:18] <kazade> lol, I've just noticed we've been working on this problem for over an hour :p
[11:18] <kazade> I should probably do some work at some point today
[11:19] <screen-x> kazade: that's dedication to community support :)
[11:19]  * DJones wonders whether kazade's boss is watching the channel
[11:19]  * kazade wonders if his boss is watching the channel
[11:20] <kazade> screen-x, do I get my Ubuntu Member badge yet? :p
[11:20] <screen-x> kazade: write a wiki page and apply..
[11:20] <screen-x> I haven't got mine though, because I don't really do anything useful :p
[11:21] <kazade> I would, but I don't have much "evidence" - waffling about Ubuntu isn't really a "sustained contribution"
[11:21] <kazade> :p
[11:22] <screen-x> talking of members, did you get onto the irc council AlanBell?
[11:27] <ocean> kazade, tx .http://pastebin.ca/2040237 i think that still says intel, but the option in ucc is high perfomance
[11:27] <kazade> ocean... damn
[11:27] <kazade> I wonder why that didn't work..
[11:29] <ocean> when i switch to low Perfomance my compiz is getting disabled.
[11:29] <ocean> kazade, what would happen if i install fglrx? is it going to break it again
[11:29] <kazade> ocean, can you post the output of: cat /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch ?
[11:30] <kazade> ocean, yes, don't do it
[11:30] <kazade> fglrx is the absolute last step once we are totally convinced it's going to work
[11:30] <ocean> kazade, 0: :Pwr:0000:01:00.0
[11:30] <ocean> 1:+:Pwr:0000:00:02.0
[11:31] <kazade> can you try something for me?
[11:31] <kazade> run this:
[11:31] <kazade> actually..
[11:31] <ocean> kazade, whats the command sorry
[11:31] <kazade> I wanna make sure it's safe
[11:31] <ocean> ok
[11:37] <kazade> ocean, can you pastebin the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[11:37] <kazade> as far as I can tell, that should've worked
[11:38] <kazade> ocean, actually, I have an idea!
[11:38] <kazade> ocean, go back to the UCC and re-select high performance
[11:38] <kazade> but this time, don't reboot, just log-out and back in again
[11:39] <kazade> and then run glxinfo
[11:39] <kazade> (this is just an experiment, not a fix)
[11:42] <ocean_> kazade, http://pastebin.ca/2040243
[11:43] <ocean_> my compiz is not working though
[11:43] <kazade> ocean_, I think it switched!
[11:43] <kazade> still not a fix though
[11:43] <kazade> because rebooting will revert to Intel, and so installing fglrx will cause the same problem
[11:43] <kazade> you are now using the built-in ATI driver on the ATI chip
[11:43] <ocean_> kazade, so is it using ATI now, but my compiz is ot working now after the re selection.
[11:44] <kazade> the built-in driver doesn't support Compiz
[11:44] <kazade> (fglrx does)
[11:44] <kazade> now we need to make your selection persist when you reboot the computer
[11:44] <ocean_> kazade, do u want me to reboot it and send you the glxinfo
[11:45] <kazade> no it's fine, I think I know what we need to do, I'm just asking questions in the xorg-devel channel
[11:46] <kazade> I don't know *how* to do it, but I know what we want :)
[11:46] <ocean_> kazade, ok thanks
[11:46] <screen-x> ocean_: I hope you're stocking up on $drink to send to kazade :)
[11:47] <bigcalm> beeroverip.org
[11:47] <ocean_> screen-x, :-)
[11:47] <MartijnVdS> beeroverip.org.		3600	IN	AAAA	2001:41d0:2:8785::1
[11:47] <MartijnVdS> there's even beer over ipv6 :)
[11:48] <screen-x> hehe
[11:49] <kazade> ocean_, I need two more pastes from you
[11:49] <kazade> oh wait, no hang on..
[11:49]  * kazade thinks
[11:50] <kazade> Can you paste me the output of lspci ?
[11:51] <ocean_> ok
[11:52] <balor> Is get_iplayer currently broken? Or is it just me?
[11:52] <popey> i used it this week
[11:52] <balor> just me then
[11:52] <popey> will test now.. one mo
[11:52] <popey> any particular programme?
[11:52] <ocean_> kazade, http://pastebin.com/0S2h2L6Z
[11:52] <balor> No.  I just get "ERROR: RTMP_ReadPacket, failed to read RTMP packet header"
[11:53] <MartijnVdS> balor: update works fine.. let's try a download
[11:53] <kazade> ocean_, I've asked in #xorg but I've got no reply... I'll explain the problem to you though..
[11:53] <ocean_> kazade, my computer is colling down now but no compiz, and awant is not working now as well.lol
[11:53] <kazade> basically, whenever your laptop boots, it defaults to Intel...
[11:54] <balor> MartijnVdS: Yes, I've updated already.
[11:54] <kazade> ocean_, if you install fglrx, it won't boot (because it defaults to Intel)
[11:54] <kazade> fglrx takes over because installing it creates a file called /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:55] <kazade> and it basically says "use the ATI driver" and it does so regardless of whether the ATI card is enabled
[11:55] <MartijnVdS> balor: streaming download works fine here as well
[11:55] <kazade> ocean_, what we want, is it to only use the ATI driver if the ATI card is enabled
[11:55] <balor> MartijnVdS: thanks.
[11:55] <kazade> that way, you can boot up (with Intel) and use UCC to switch then logout/login and you'll be running FGLRX + ATI + Compiz
[11:55] <ocean_> kazade, okay ,
[11:56] <kazade> there are two possible solutions. 1. Specify the xorg.conf only to apply to the ATI card or 2. Always default to the ATI card rather than the Intel one
[11:56] <kazade> until the guys in #xorg get back to me, I can't help any more :(
[11:56] <ocean_> kazade, okay
[11:56] <ocean_> kazade, i can wait
[11:58] <selinuxium> Hi popey, who's tricks?
[11:58] <popey> Not me!
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> popey: but it's Friday, almost night!
[11:59] <popey> \o/
[11:59] <selinuxium> popey, Doh... how's tricks...
[11:59] <popey> been looking for accessories for my Kodak Zi8
[11:59] <bigcalm> A weekends, popey is also know as Trixy Bell
[11:59] <selinuxium> finger dyslexia strikes again...
[11:59] <popey> also 2TB disks for my server
[11:59] <popey> tickety boo selinuxium, hows you?
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> popey: basically anything that fits on a standard tripod mount? (did I see that pic correctly? :))
[11:59] <selinuxium> popey, not too bad at all :)
[12:00] <popey> MartijnVdS: yeah
[12:00] <popey> MartijnVdS: also a micr
[12:00] <popey> *mic
[12:01] <popey> selinuxium: happy new year!
[12:01] <selinuxium> bigcalm, A friend of mine runs a club and they have burlesque from time to time... Trixy Bell sounds like one of them... :) Dusty Limits was may fav name..
[12:01] <MartijnVdS> popey: so first you want a "rail" that mounts to the tripod
[12:01] <bigcalm> :)
[12:01] <selinuxium> popey, Happy New Year to you too sir. :)
[12:01] <MartijnVdS> +mount
[12:01] <popey> ahh, rail
[12:01] <popey> didnt know thats what they're called
[12:02] <popey> and what are the lights called?
[12:02] <MartijnVdS> uhr
[12:02] <popey> do they have a special name?
[12:02] <MartijnVdS> flash? light? lamp?
[12:02] <popey> its not flash though is it?
[12:02] <screen-x> video light
[12:02] <screen-x> I'd go for..
[12:02] <MartijnVdS> wait.. rail seems to be slightly different
[12:03] <popey> you saw the nixie pixel pic?
[12:03] <MartijnVdS> yeah
[12:03] <popey> there was another where you could see from the front with the light on
[12:03] <popey> tbh it looked clumsy, the way she was holding it
[12:03] <MartijnVdS> but rail is like a "wide" tripod head that you can move the camera on
[12:03] <popey> right
[12:03] <kazade> does anyone here have FGRLX enabled using just the checkbox in Hardware Drivers?
[12:04] <kazade> if so, could you pastebin the contents of your (default) /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[12:04] <scottuss> Anyone know of a good gui for NFS, like the one in yast on Suse?
[12:05] <popey> scottuss: what do you want to do with the GUI?
[12:05] <popey> bah
[12:07] <popey> scottuss: what do you want to do with the GUI?
[12:07]  * popey finds himself looking at home made steadicams for his zi8
[12:08] <bigcalm> popey: have your graze deliveries stabalised yet?
[12:08] <scottuss> be able to set nfs shares to automount really
[12:08] <scottuss> something like directory utility on the mac
[12:08] <popey> bigcalm: ask me tomorrow :)
[12:09] <bigcalm> I'm close to cancling my deliveries
[12:09] <screen-x> popey: chickens?
[12:09] <popey> screen-x: ?
[12:09] <screen-x> scottuss: fstab?
[12:09] <scottuss> yeah I could I suppose
[12:10] <screen-x> popey: chickens have a stabilising reflex http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/30/chicken-based-camera-stabilization-more-effective-than-the-human/
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> popey: chickens are the best steadycams
[12:10] <scottuss> But if the share isn't available, the system wont choke at startup will it?
[12:10] <bigcalm> Depends if you rely upon that share
[12:11] <scottuss> bigcalm, rely.. in what way?
[12:11] <scottuss> something at boot that needs the share to be there?
[12:12] <BigRedS> well, if it's /home and you've apache logs there, if the share's not there apache wont start, for example
[12:12] <MartijnVdS> who stores logs in /home?!
[12:12] <scottuss> ah I see, no no, it isn't mapped to home or anything like that
[12:12] <scottuss> lol yeah I was thinking that
[12:13] <scottuss> I suppose you could stick /var on an NFS share, if you're crazy?
[12:13] <jpds> MartijnVdS: Hosting providers that want to gave customers easy access to logen?
[12:13] <AlanBell> popey: if you want to borrow a chicken for a steadycam just ask :)
[12:13] <popey> :)
[12:14] <davmor2> czajkowski: here have a patronising pat on the head for a change
[12:14] <MartijnVdS> jpds: those hosting providers should learn the power of symlinks
[12:14] <scottuss> hmm I might go down the fstab route then. I tried autofs but that was a PITA
[12:14] <MartijnVdS> jpds: and/or chroots
[12:17] <ocean_> kazade, any luck?
[12:17] <kazade> ocean_, no nothing
[12:17] <kazade> now I'm thinking that we could run a script on boot that sets the ATI card as active before the desktop starts
[12:17] <kazade> you'd be stuck on ATI though permanently, but at least you'd have decent graphics performance
[12:18] <ocean_> kazade, i had a read on the launchpad.it seems that this bg has not been fixed along with the grub issue
[12:18] <kazade> it looks like the vga switching works fine if you only use the built-in open source drivers (you have to log out and back in, but it "works")
[12:18] <kazade> I haven't seen anyone have any success with fglrx though
[12:20] <ocean_> kazade, now the machine is more silent and not heating up. i presume it will start heating up again when i restart
[12:20] <kazade> yeah, it'll revert to Intel and if that was causing the issue then yes it will
[12:20] <kazade> the other option you have is stick to the current situation, but update the open source drivers
[12:20] <kazade> (rather than using fglrx)
[12:21] <czajkowski> davmor2: oi!
[12:21] <kazade> ocean_, this PPA has stable updates for the graphics stuff: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates
[12:21] <kazade> it should be "safe" and might fix your overheating and might enable compiz on ATI (not sure)
[12:22] <selinuxium> czajkowski, oi! :)
[12:22] <kazade> ocean_, there is an even more "bleeding edge" ppa for those drivers, but they will likely break at some point (if not immediately), if you are brave the ppa is here: https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers
[12:22] <jpds> czajkowski: 'oi' is hi in Portugese I believe.
[12:22] <kazade> ocean_, but I wouldn't advise that latter one
[12:23] <selinuxium> czajkowski, Or as they say in deepest, darkest Essex... Oi Oi!!!
[12:23] <selinuxium> Hmmm... Hungry o'clock...
[12:24] <selinuxium> Nando's it is!
[12:24] <ocean_> kazade, I will go for the stable one now. could U give me the command line to add that ppa and install.
[12:24] <ocean_> pls
[12:24] <kazade> ocean_: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:25] <kazade> paste that whole line
[12:25] <kazade> that'll 1.) add the PPA 2.) Update your package lists 3.) upgrade all the components, possibly installing new packages if needed
[12:25] <davmor2> czajkowski: what you said you didn't want prodding every day :P
[12:27] <ocean_> kazade, iam gon to go.thanks a lot for ur help. i am more aware of this issue now.
[12:27] <ocean_> thats what i really wanted
[12:27] <kazade> no worries - good luck with it
[12:27] <kazade> hopefully things will be better in Natty
[12:28] <kazade> AAAAAAAANNNNNNDDDDD back to work
[12:28] <screen-x> heh
[12:37] <Azelphur> Hmm, I'm trying to connect to mozilla-IRC through my ZNC and I'm getting Error from Server [Closing Link: [204.145.82.242] Z:Lined (Open Proxy found on your host. Please visit www.blitzed.org/proxy?ip=204.145.82.242 for more information.)]
[12:37] <Azelphur> to my knowledge there is no open proxy on my server :S
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: ZNC? what's that?
[12:39] <screen-x> Azelphur: is it an open irc proxy?
[12:39] <Azelphur> no, ZNC is not an open proxy and I use it on many networks including this one
[12:39] <Azelphur> It requires a username and password to connect, otherwise it disconnects you.
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> maybe they're more strict?
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> what happens if you put it on a different port?
[12:40] <Azelphur> ZNC is on a strange nonstandard port
[12:40] <Azelphur> ZNC Is an advanced IRC bouncer which allows for Multiple clients (Connect as many times as you like under one nick) Playback last few lines in channels when you connect, Playback missed pm's, Auto nickserv identify, Auto join all channels, Push notifications to Colloquy, and more ( http://en.znc.in/wiki/Modules )
[12:40] <Azelphur> :p
[12:40] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: have it listen on localhost only, then ssh -L to get the port forwarded to your localhost, then connect to _that_ :)
[12:41] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: no open proxy :)
[12:41] <Azelphur> haha I can't do that, there are many other users using my ZNC besides me
[12:41] <Azelphur> but, ZNC isn't an open proxy, it requires a username and password
[12:41] <Azelphur> there's nothing open about it
[12:41] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: apparently, mozilla thinks otherwise
[12:41] <Azelphur> I guess I need to find some ircops on mozilla
[12:48] <neptune> when a program loads an "image" what exactly is this image? googled it but cant find the answer
[12:49] <kazade> neptune, an image as in a picture?
[12:50] <neptune> no
[12:50] <screen-x> neptune: image can mean lots of things.. could be a table of values representing pixels (bitmap), could be mathematical description of various shapes (svg), could a copy of a disk, or CD
[12:50] <neptune> executables load images with code when they execute
[12:50] <neptune> like shared objects
[12:50] <neptune> like DLLs
[12:50] <fr0styy> Hello everyone! :)
[12:50] <neptune> but i can't find a proper definition
[12:51] <popey> defintion of what?
[12:51] <neptune> of image
[12:52] <popey> where are you seeing this?
[12:52] <popey> what context?
[12:53] <neptune> a program loads an image
[12:53] <neptune> but not picture
[12:53] <popey> yes, i understand your description, I'm asking where you see that phrase
[12:53] <popey> "loading image"
[12:54] <neptune> "image instrumentation"
[12:54] <popey> where are you seeing that?
[12:54] <neptune> ok let me show you
[12:55] <neptune> Image instrumentation lets the Pintool inspect and instrument an entire image, IMG, when it is first loaded. A Pintool can walk the sections, SEC, of the image, the routines, RTN, of a section, and the instructions, INS of a routine.
[12:55] <popey> an image is a representation of something
[12:56] <popey> normally people see "image" and think 'visual representation' i.e. a picture visible with your eyeballs
[12:56] <popey> but it doesn't have to be
[12:56] <fr0styy> Im in a very, very, very bad situation...I have Ubuntu 10.10 netboock  remix and Back Track 4 running as a dual boot, and Im sure you've heard about  the error 15 problem.
[12:56] <popey> it could be an image (copy) of a disk, an image of the memory of a computer
[12:56] <fr0styy> We could IM so as not to flood this room with 2 people having problems. :)
[12:56] <popey> hardly a flood fr0styy
[12:56] <neptune> popey i gave you the context
[12:56] <neptune> what does it mean in that context
[12:57] <fr0styy> i think he means that: Where are you seeing this error? In the terminal? what file is it that you have a problem with. Am I correct?
[12:57] <popey> no fr0styy
[12:57] <fr0styy> i came in late, what problem is he he/she having?
[12:58] <popey> none, dont worry fr0styy
[12:58] <fr0styy> ok :)
[12:58] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[12:58] <fr0styy> hiyas!
[12:58] <popey> neptune: in this instance it means a representation of the program and memory whilst running
[12:59] <popey> neptune: it's just the word the developers chose to use to mean "the program and associated memory loaded by pintool"
[12:59] <fr0styy> So as I was saying people: anyone have the error 15 when dual booting before?
[12:59] <fr0styy> because...
[12:59] <fr0styy>  have Ubuntu 10.10 netboock remix and Back Track 4 running as a dual boot, and  Im sure you've heard about the error 15 problem.
[12:59] <popey> fr0styy: reinstall grub?
[13:00] <fr0styy> ok, thats what I wanted to ask. I found a guide to re-istall grub, however, Im afraid of loosing my data
[13:00] <fr0styy> or is it not an issue?
[13:00] <fr0styy> because i cant really see my files (even with live ubuntu usb)
[13:01] <neptune> ok thx
[13:01] <popey> !grub
[13:01] <screen-x> fr0styy: you should be able to boot from usb and mount your existing partitions/LVs without having a working grub.
[13:01] <popey> see that link
[13:02] <fr0styy> Ill check it out, thank you
[13:02] <fr0styy> Ill relay feed-back :)
[13:03] <Azelphur> I made a video to demonstrate my overclocked HTC Desire Z http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6_Nur_3JJw :)
[13:04] <screen-x> Azelphur: the Z has too much battery life for you?
[13:04] <Azelphur> screen-x: haha, I offset the overclocking by setting up a profile to underclock to 200mhz when the screen is off
[13:04] <Azelphur> all the perks, none of the loss :)
[13:04] <screen-x> sounds good :)
[13:05] <screen-x> My wife's htc desire could probably do with underclocking, its plenty fast enough, but has a shocking battery life.
[13:05] <Azelphur> it lasts a decent amount of time, playstation emulation does drain it reasonably fast though
[13:05] <Azelphur> I reckon 2-4 hours of playstation :)
[13:05] <Azelphur> screen-x: pretty easy to do if you get it rooted
[13:07] <screen-x> Azelphur: video makes me want to adjust my glasses, but I'm not wearing any :(
[13:07] <Azelphur> haha
[13:07] <DJones> screen-x: is that a desire or a desire hd with the bad battery life, my wifes desire hd was horrific until i removed the htc sense sync account & then added it again.  She was getting about 4-5 hours life before it died, now by the end of the day, its at about 65%
[13:07] <popey> two whole minutes before the race actually starts
[13:07] <popey> looks sweet once running
[13:08] <popey> also, you suck at driving :)
[13:08] <Azelphur> popey: haha, it wasn't easy driving I had to hold the phone at a strange angle for the camera
[13:08] <popey> nice vid
[13:08] <popey> heh
[13:08] <Azelphur> I do get a bit better about half way through though
[13:08] <Azelphur> ty :p
[13:08] <screen-x> some nice sideways action :)
[13:08] <Azelphur> also auto focus on the new webcam is a bit crap
[13:09] <screen-x> driving games are hard without some sort of analogue input
[13:10] <Azelphur> screen-x: haha, I grew up in the generation of digital controllers for racing so I'm used to it :)
[13:10] <screen-x> DJones: it's an original desire, it struggles to get to the end of the day
[13:11] <screen-x> peppermint tea time
[13:13] <DJones> screen-x: Right, thought it was worth mentioning the solution that worked for my wife anyway, we found that initially, the calendar was constantly using the battery on her HD, then after updates that went to a normal level, but the Android OS was constantly using the battery, sorting the HTC Sense syncing fixed that though
[13:14]  * popey pokes AlanBell with a mail to the list
[13:14] <screen-x> DJones: thanks, I'll check there aren't any unnecessary thing syncing.
[13:15] <DJones> screen-x: It wasn't so much unnecessary syncing, just a problem with the setup, removing & re-adding the htc sense sync worked for her
[13:15] <screen-x> DJones: ok
[13:18] <fr0styy> Hello gyus, im trying to locate some data (I have partitioning problem, and I aparently need to update grub) but there seems to be a problem... I mounted the partition that has Ubuntu and can access pretty much all the directories, however, I cannot seem to locate any items in my home folder...is this normal? should I proceed with updating grub from the live usb with no worries?
[13:19] <fr0styy> The only reason I am asking this is because I have my desertation due soon...and it would be quite the pain to restart most of my work.. :(
[13:19] <Azelphur> did you use a separate partition for /home?
[13:20] <fr0styy> no, I had ubuntu as a single partition, but added Backtrack 4 later on. After booting, I get the error15 msg.
[13:20] <fr0styy> And obviously cannot access ubuntu unless I use the USB
[13:21] <fr0styy> Did I dmg the data? *cries*
[13:21] <Azelphur> hmm, seems odd that the entire home would disappear
[13:21] <Azelphur> maybe it's a permissions thing.
[13:21] <fr0styy> should I try sudo in terminal? If I do it will I be able to see it in the GUI?
[13:22] <fr0styy> sorry to be a pain, but im a week old newbe :)
[13:22] <Azelphur> fr0styy: could try gksudo nautilus
[13:22] <Azelphur> but be very careful with it
[13:22]  * Azelphur will probably be berated for recommending that one :p
[13:22] <fr0styy> careful in what way? :O
[13:23] <kvarley> fr0styy: Running nautilus (file manager) as root gives you permisson to delete even the important bits of the operating system
[13:24] <fr0styy> i see ... ok got it. Tread with caution..
[13:25] <Azelphur> indeed :)
[13:26] <fr0styy> nope...nothing in home...im getting this notification
[13:27] <fr0styy> gconfig-CRITICAL **: gconfig_value_free: assertion 'value !=NULL' failed
[13:27] <fr0styy> I dont like the sound of that...
[13:28] <fr0styy> i hope i have the wrong partition up or something... :(
[13:30] <fr0styy> actually now that I think about it...
[13:31] <fr0styy> shouldnt the partition be in ext4?
[13:31] <screen-x> fr0styy: are you looking at the root partition from backtrack?
[13:31] <fr0styy> the media im looking at has type vfat for some reason :O
[13:32]  * imexil Struggels with an annoying cups update configuration lock up
[13:32] <imexil> i.e., Setting up cups (1.4.4-6ubuntu2.3) ... just sits there and does not proceed
[13:33] <fr0styy> i thought I was looking at ubuntu... what was the command for list of partitions please? :(
[13:33] <brobostigon> fr0styy: sudo fdisk -l
[13:33] <fr0styy> ty
[13:34] <brobostigon> ypure welcome fr0styy :)
[13:35]  * imexil thinks that the cups configuration likes to trigger the display of some input window that never appears and therefore the configuration script just sits there and waits for input. 
[13:35] <fr0styy> hmmm let me try mounting another...
[13:35] <imexil> Anyone seen this before AND found a solution?
[13:35] <jpds> imexil: sudo pkill -9 dpkg; sudo rm -vf /var/lib/dpkg/info/cups.*; sudo dpkg --configure -a
[13:36] <fr0styy> the command for mounting was mount (disk name) -mnt     right?
[13:36] <imexil> jpds:
[13:38] <jpds> imexil: Hello.
[13:39] <imexil> jpds: sorry wanted to write a thank you but got distracted by more errormessages ;
[13:39] <jpds> Fun.
[13:39]  * imexil is trying to sort them out
[13:39] <jpds> But that should get cups going again.
[13:40] <screen-x> fr0styy: its usually "mount device mount-point"
[13:40] <fr0styy> ty
[13:41] <fr0styy> point refers to? :)
[13:41] <imexil> jpds: Do you know if this will now happen each time there is a cups update?
[13:41] <jpds> imexil: No idea, happened to me randomly once.
[13:41] <imexil> same here
[13:41] <imexil> today was the second time
[13:42] <fr0styy> screen-x: sorry, but what does point refer to? :)
[13:42] <imexil> jpds: So I couldn't remember how I resolved it last time.
[13:42] <screen-x> fr0styy: the mount point is the place in the directory tree that you wish to attach the filesystem on the device to.
[13:43] <screen-x> so if your home dir lives on /dev/sda2, you'd issue mount /dev/sda2 /home
[13:44] <fr0styy> screen-x: Aha! mount point as in one word! lol
[13:44] <fr0styy> Screen-x: ty :D
[13:44] <imexil> jpds: Anyway. It's solved now. The additional error messages were just a result of a couple of lock files still being present. Removing those and then reissueing the command you gave did it. Thanks.
[13:45] <jpds> imexil: No problem.
[13:45] <jpds> I should of remembered sudo fuser -k /var/lib/dpkg/lock - for the lock file.
[13:46] <imexil> it were more that that ;)
[13:48] <fr0styy> is it ok if i post terminal feedback here?
[13:48] <fr0styy> its kinda long...
[13:48] <popey> !paste
[13:49] <brobostigon> just found http://armagetronad.net/about.php , :)
[13:49] <popey> its in the repo
[13:50] <brobostigon> yes.
[13:53] <fr0styy> ok, i hope ive done this correctly: http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/96857
[13:54] <fr0styy> please let me know if you cant see it :O
[13:57] <screen-x> fr0styy: can see that.
[13:57] <fr0styy> screen-x: can or cant? I could just re-post :S
[13:58] <fr0styy> i havent slept since yesterday worrying about this... :(
[14:03] <screen-x> fr0styy: I can see it.
[14:03] <screen-x> fr0styy: which partition do you have mounted?
[14:03] <screen-x> or partitions..
[14:03] <fr0styy> screen-x: I have...
[14:04] <Azelphur> haha, mozilla IRC showing me the hate :(
[14:04] <fr0styy> sda1 mounted
[14:05] <Azelphur> I have an alternative port to connect to my ircd on port 8080, bopm scanned me, decided it's an open proxy and zlined me and reported me to a DNS blacklist
[14:05] <Azelphur> :<
[14:05] <fr0styy> screen: sda1 is mounted and sda6
[14:05] <fr0styy> screen-x: I think sda1 is the ubuntu, and sda6 is the usb. or is it? :)
[14:06] <screen-x> fr0styy: no, sdb is probably the usb
[14:06] <screen-x> fr0styy: have you looked for your home dir  in the places where sda1 and sda6 are mounted?
[14:06] <Azelphur> yay got ircop to remove zline \o/
[14:07] <screen-x> Azelphur: :)
[14:08] <fr0styy> screen-x: I cannot mount sda6. I get the following return: cant find /dev/sda6/home in or /etc/mtab
[14:08] <screen-x> fr0styy: pastebin mount
[14:09] <fr0styy> screen-x: sorry will do :(
[14:09] <screen-x> fr0styy: don't worry :)
[14:12] <fr0styy> pastebining...
[14:14] <fr0styy> screen-x: Hope you can see it (I cant, this comp has problem with browsers...) http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/96871
[14:15] <fr0styy> but I have trust in pastebin :P
[14:15] <MartijnVdS> fr0styy: you forgot a space
[14:15] <MartijnVdS> fr0styy: you need to do "mount /dev/sda1 /home"
[14:15] <popey> you appear to be typing lots of random things
[14:15] <MartijnVdS> without the ""
[14:15] <MartijnVdS> also, that
[14:16] <popey> and its already mounted
[14:16] <popey> ls /media/a3404329-0e80-4f7c-b960-ab27c1ce88b9
[14:16] <popey> or
[14:16] <popey> ls /media/a   (then press tab>
[14:16] <popey> s/>/)
[14:16] <fr0styy> will try it now :)
[14:19] <fr0styy> popey: Tab doesnt seem to do anything :O
[14:19] <fr0styy> one sec, lemme try the before mentioned one
[14:20] <screen-x> fr0styy: I meant the output of "mount" but your pastebin was quite informative :)
[14:21] <popey> indeed fr0styy just type mount on its own and pastebin the output
[14:24] <fr0styy> ok i see where the problem was... it was the space..
[14:24] <fr0styy> one sec guys// :(
[14:25] <fr0styy> how to log is as root? :D
[14:25] <fr0styy> its requesting it
[14:25] <popey> just type mount
[14:25] <popey> thats all
[14:26] <fr0styy> i did, but its says:
[14:26] <fr0styy> mount: onlyroot can do that
[14:26] <popey> mount, only on its own
[14:26] <popey> _nothing else_
[14:26] <popey> just mount
[14:26] <popey> like this:-
[14:26] <popey> mount
[14:26] <fr0styy> popey will kill me now :D
[14:26] <fr0styy> sorry :D
[14:27] <popey> read what we type. it helps
[14:27] <MartijnVdS> popey++
[14:28] <fr0styy> im sorry popey, its just a lack of sleep...im not usually this slow... :(
[14:28] <fr0styy> heres the output:
[14:28] <popey> go to sleep :)
[14:28] <popey> pastebin...
[14:28] <Azelphur> incomiiiiiiiiiiing
[14:28]  * Azelphur takes cover
[14:29] <fr0styy> http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/96872
[14:29] <fr0styy> popey: cant get sleep without solving this problem im afraid...
[14:30] <fr0styy> ***Frostyy ducks
[14:30] <fr0styy> :P
[14:30] <popey> your home is mounted
[14:30] <popey> /dev/sda6 on /media/a3404329-0e80-4f7c-b960-ab27c1ce88b9 type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks)
[14:31] <popey> so, if you do this...
[14:31] <MartijnVdS> automounted even
[14:31] <popey> ls -l /media/a*
[14:31] <popey> you might even see stuff
[14:31] <fr0styy> popey: Ill keep you posted ;)
[14:33] <cps> hello
[14:33] <cps> :)
[14:35] <fr0styy> im sorry its taking so long, im having to move the pastes via usb :/
[14:36] <fr0styy> popey: http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/96873 here is the output, i can see home
[14:37] <popey> that looks like your BT4 root filesystem
[14:37] <popey> fr0styy: do:-
[14:37] <fr0styy> oh oh...
[14:37] <popey> ls /mnt/home
[14:37] <popey> sda1 will be your ubuntu root filesystem
[14:37] <popey> sda6 is BT4 root filesystem
[14:38] <fr0styy> i did, it displays my ubuntu username
[14:38] <popey> thats your home directory
[14:38] <screen-x> fr0styy: sounds like you found it :)
[14:38] <fr0styy> yay!!! :D
[14:38] <popey> ls /mnt/home/<yourubuntuusernamegoeshere>
[14:38] <fr0styy> hahaha lets try this out :D
[14:38] <popey> (I am still unclear why we are doing this)
[14:39] <screen-x> popey: in search of a lost dissertation
[14:39] <fr0styy> its because its not showing up in the GUI. Sorry, i thought i already mentioned that :O
[14:39] <popey> MartijnVdS: http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/2011-January/000487.html
[14:39] <popey> yeah, I am not sure why we're looking for home
[14:39] <popey> what the actual main issue is
[14:39] <fr0styy> ooooh
[14:40] <popey> also there's the further question of why the hell someone would install BT4 dual booting with Ubuntu :D
[14:40] <screen-x> popey: yeah, there is that...
[14:40] <MartijnVdS> popey: Strange.. I'm watching a BBC Four documentary now.. that I downloaded when I saw the complaint earlier
[14:40] <fr0styy> well you see...I've kinda wanted to experiment with BT4 , but ended up reconfiguring the grub
[14:40] <screen-x> fr0styy: best to do experiments with usb sticks or VMs
[14:41] <fr0styy> and now, BEFORE doing anything, I would like to make sure my dessertation is safely tucked away in my usb :(
[14:41] <fr0styy> screen-x: thanks! ill remember that next time lol
[14:41] <fr0styy> Or just make sure my backup is working :D
[14:41] <screen-x> fr0styy: though if you use a usb stick, be very careful to install to the right device...
[14:42] <fr0styy> screen-x: thats kinda what hapened. I overrote grub.. :/
[14:43] <screen-x> fr0styy: if you run "nautilus /mnt/home/<yourubuntuusernamegoeshere>" you should be able to see your home folder in gui, and then copy what you need to usb stick
[14:43] <popey> MartijnVdS: maybe he is using rtmpdump, i am using flvstreamer
[14:43]  * cps is now the proud owner of a thinkpad \\o/
[14:43] <screen-x> cps \o/
[14:43] <fr0styy> screen-x: now all I want to do is get my data out, and purge the system... Ill use BT on another machine for experimental purposes... :)
[14:43] <screen-x> which one?
[14:43] <cps> t41
[14:43] <cps> cheapest available on amazon, mind
[14:43] <screen-x> cool :)
[14:44] <cps> need to save my monies for a trip later this month
[14:44] <screen-x> screen res?
[14:44] <cps> 1024x768
[14:44] <MartijnVdS> popey: hm, now that you say that.. I"m using flvstreamer as well
[14:44] <fr0styy> Special shout out goes to popey and screen-x, you people are awsome really :D
[14:44] <fr0styy> patience is hard to come by these days...
[14:44] <popey> glad you got your data!
[14:44] <screen-x> !popey
[14:45] <fr0styy> im running the command to get it from the gui
[14:45] <cps> gonna throw xubuntu on my thinkpad as soon as it arrives
[14:46] <fr0styy> it seems like i need to set permissions (scrolls up to find the command, someone mentioned it earlier)
[14:46] <fr0styy> gksudo nautilus there it is :)
[14:47]  * cps also bought a new wireless card for his desktop, which he is going to throw linux on as well
[14:48] <fr0styy> gksudo nautilus /mnt/home/ <usrname>      correct? Im afraid of these commands *wipes brow*
[14:48] <popey> no
[14:48] <popey> you added a space
[14:49] <fr0styy> just for posterity :)
[14:49] <screen-x> popey: sharp eyes, I was going to say yes..
[14:49] <fr0styy> but your THE man for spoting it :D
[14:51] <cps> sudo and gksudo can make any command dangerous
[14:51] <cps> even I worry about wiping the system when I run a command under sudo
[14:52] <screen-x> the number of times I've run sudo halt/reboot/ifdown on the wrong box...
[14:53] <fr0styy> hmmmm
[14:53] <fr0styy> can see it, but the permission is still stopping me from copying
[14:54] <fr0styy> *Hopes no one kills him*
[14:55] <popey> gksudo nautilus
[14:55] <BigRedS> screen-x: see mollyguard. won't prevent misplaced ifdowns, but questions you shutting down the local machine
[14:55] <popey> then navigate on left to Filesystem -> mnt -> home
[14:56] <screen-x> BigRedS: ahh, I've heard of that, really should install it, thanks for the prompt :)
[14:56] <BigRedS> screen-x: When I was running openbox (and so rebooting/halting from xterm all the time), it was _invaluable_ :)
[14:59] <fr0styy> ALL RIGHTY!!! Leaving NO room for mistakes! Dumping ENTIRE home into usb! :)
[14:59] <fr0styy> can always edit it as needed later :)
[15:00] <fr0styy> 43gigs...that should take the better end of 4 hours :/
[15:00] <popey> that wont fit will it?
[15:00] <fr0styy> popey:i have a 64 gig back-up usb :)
[15:01] <popey> cool
[15:01] <fr0styy> popey: I knew it would come in handy someday :D
[15:02] <fr0styy> Wow guys, serously? You are stars :)
[15:03] <fr0styy> This is definatly my go-to place when i need help most, not often i hope...For ALL our sakes! :D
[15:03] <screen-x> fr0styy: get some sleep while its copying ;-)
[15:03] <cps> +1
[15:04]  * brobostigon stabs windows in the back on his dads computer.
[15:04]  * BigRedS appreciates spreading the rumour that he has no idea how to use Windows
[15:04] <BigRedS> actually, it's really not far from teh truth now :)
[15:04]  * cps imagines brobostigon using a CD as a shuriken to throw at Bill Gates...
[15:05] <fr0styy> screen-x: wish I could....I needed to come to a net-cafe to do this. Thats why im switching between comps.
[15:05] <fr0styy> screen-x: Actually...I'd rather keep myself busy so that I can sleep at a normal hour...when would I wake up if I slep now lol :D
[15:05] <cps> it's teh hamitron-meister!
[15:06] <hamitron> :)
[15:06] <cps> :P
[15:06] <hamitron> ;/
[15:06] <cps> herp
[15:08] <hamitron> I think I must just get games for collection purposes, not playing :/
[15:09] <cps> what platforms you into, hamitron?
[15:09] <hamitron> installed all new games from xmas to test them and now uninstalling
[15:09] <hamitron> pc
[15:09] <cps> ah
[15:09] <cps> the word "collection" made me think you were into vintage computers
[15:09] <hamitron> well
[15:10] <shauno> you had to go there
[15:10] <hamitron> I do have a collection of older stuff I suppose ;D
[15:10] <cps> :p
[15:11] <hamitron> suppose the wayi hoard stuff is the reason I am not a fan of DRM... I like to buy something and keep it to play in 15-20 years
[15:12] <hamitron> I still not broken the seal on my Diablo 2 game :/
[15:12] <fr0styy> I still have my old Snes. Its cool because it's mostly used as a paperweight now due to the roms on my comp. Still looks cool in the room though :D
[15:12] <screen-x> I need to unhoard, possibly moving into a flat..
[15:12] <hamitron> my SNES has turned green :/
[15:12] <cps> hamitron: lolwut
[15:13] <hamitron> cheap plastic
[15:13] <shauno> hamitron: the seal on d2 isn't DRM.  it's a bit of plastic :)
[15:13] <screen-x> hamitron: not mould?
[15:13] <fr0styy> Speaking of unhoarding...I need to give away alot of stuff in my room. Im leaving england for good soon :S
[15:13] <hamitron> my NES looks newer
[15:13] <cps> fr0styy: where you moving to?
[15:14] <fr0styy> cps: No idea...thats the problem....
[15:14] <hamitron> :/
[15:14] <fr0styy> My home is where my laptop is plugged! ;-)
[15:14] <cps> :p
[15:14] <hamitron> so down the pub on evenings? ;/
[15:15] <fr0styy> Or anywhere where i can get a usable internet connection
[15:15] <fr0styy> My room in the house im in has horride wireless :/
[15:16]  * hamitron rubs his ethernet port
[15:16] <shauno> would I be nosey to ask why you're going if you don't know where you're going?
[15:16] <cps> bt home hub = a piece of crap
[15:16] <fr0styy> no, its a pretty simple question IMO
[15:16] <fr0styy> you see..
[15:17] <fr0styy> I came here about 5 years ago to study, and im submiting my final project on the 11th (Tue)
[15:17] <fr0styy> so....
[15:17] <fr0styy> I kinda dont have a reason to stay no more... :O
[15:17] <shauno> ahh
[15:17] <fr0styy> Most of my firends have left already :S
[15:18] <screen-x> fr0styy: hence it would have been disastrous to lose the dissertation..
[15:18] <shauno> well, that makes my only useful tip moot point then :)
[15:18] <fr0styy> screen-x: now you know why i was paniking!!!!1  :(
[15:18] <fr0styy> and couldnt sleep *rubs eyes*
[15:19] <fr0styy> what was the tip shauno? :P
[15:19] <shauno> was gonna say register to vote before you leave, because they make it incredibly difficult to do anything afterwards
[15:19] <shauno> but given the extra info, that's kinda useless to you :)
[15:19] <shauno> (I left the UK 8 years ago)
[15:20] <fr0styy> I see...yea you are right. Im a resident, but not in the "voting" category of the populous lol
[15:21] <fr0styy> shauno: Where did you run off to? If I may ask? :D
[15:21] <shauno> the US initially.  seemed like a plan at the time
[15:21] <cps> USA = unfeasible for me
[15:22] <fr0styy> Yea...I cant do the US either...but Iguess you never know till you try :)
[15:22] <shauno> I'm not welcome back there until 2026 (silly story), so not too workable for me either now :)
[15:22] <kazade> lol, has anyone seen this week's Micro Mart?
[15:23] <cps> kazade: no?
[15:23] <kazade> I just opened it up to an image of Ubuntu
[15:23] <cps> shauno: I dislike the US
[15:23] <fr0styy> 2026? :OOOO
[15:23] <cps> particularly since wikileaks broke out the cables
[15:23] <kazade> ...so I thought I'd trackback and see what they were writing about
[15:23] <fr0styy> Dont tell me you tryed to assasinate the prez or something? hahaha
[15:23] <kazade> first thing I notice, there is a picture of Unity, but it's upside down AND back to front
[15:24] <kazade> so I turn the page to find a 7 step guide to building an Ubuntu USB key...
[15:24] <shauno> cps, I found it's rarely that clear cut.  love the country, the people aren't that bad either.  no fan of their govt however.
[15:24] <cps> kazade: lolwut
[15:24] <kazade> every single one of the 7 pictures doesn't show what they are describing
[15:24] <kazade> in fact, all 7 pictures show the Ubuntu installation..
[15:24] <kazade> so I turn the page, and find 7 steps to installing Ubuntu...
[15:24] <kazade> except all 7 images are of how to create an Ubuntu USB key
[15:24] <cps> shauno: ##politics
[15:25] <fr0styy> kazade: Now thats a sure fire way to put people off trying the OS... :/
[15:26] <shauno> cps: yeah I know.  just pointing out there's a huge difference between the people and the govt, and not judging one by the other
[15:27] <fr0styy> cps: An since shauno was part of a crew thats bent on world domination, he was discriminated against! How...rude! :D
[15:28] <fr0styy> shauno: Ok I take it you didnt like that one...*took it back*
[15:29] <fr0styy> :(
[15:29] <cps> ergh, I hate not being able to sleep at night
[15:29] <cps> but I successfully hid it from my mum this time
[15:30] <fr0styy> brb need to get some fresh air...needed after such linux gymnastics :/
[15:36]  * cps makes an espresso for brobostigon
[15:36] <brobostigon> cheers, thank you cps :)
[15:36] <fr0styy> god...i dont think im going to make it...
[15:37] <cps> :)
[15:37] <fr0styy> 3 h 45 mins left for the file trasfer.
[15:37] <fr0styy> if i had ubuntu working i would have played HoN to make the time pass faster...
[15:38] <hamitron> HoN?
[15:38] <fr0styy> Though would have been flamed for sleeping on the keyboard :P
[15:38] <fr0styy> Heroes Of Newerth
[15:38] <fr0styy> its a game based on dota (if you know it)
[15:39] <hamitron> no
[15:39] <fr0styy> hmmm lets see...
[15:39] <fr0styy> you know how in Real Time Strategy  games you would take control of the entire army?
[15:40] <fr0styy> well in this game...
[15:40] <fr0styy> You take control of a hero, the troops are automated, and the objective is to destroy the enemy team's base! :)
[15:41] <hamitron> ok
[15:42] <fr0styy> Heros have abilities that make them unique (STR, INT, AGI ) and you basically get to play a: 5v5 RPG/Arena style game :)
[15:42] <hamitron> I assume the game works slightly differently compared to something like C&C then
[15:42] <fr0styy> very different, in the sence that you control one unit (in most casses)
[15:43] <BigRedS> so does everything else just sort-of follow your lead?
[15:43] <fr0styy> but there are still heroes that test your micro management :D
[15:43]  * cps feels tempted to block one of his best friends on facebook
[15:44] <fr0styy> Hmmm...well you can 'manipulate' the troops in certain ways, but not direct commands
[15:44] <nperry> AHH! Polish co-worker brought her laptop in, its BSOD in polish :<
[15:44] <nperry> And can't get far enough to change language :/
[15:44] <screen-x> nperry: heh just as useful :)
[15:45] <nperry> And she cant translate it back to english.
[15:45] <cps> hell yeah, wireless card has been dispatched \o/
[15:45] <fr0styy> They follow a set patch, but if you so happen to 'pull them' towards ememies, or funnel them by cracking the ground,etc.. (am I making sense? :D)
[15:45] <nperry> Tempted to place ubuntu on there but I think her memory is fried.
[15:46] <fr0styy> I have a couple of 1 day passes if anyone is interested?
[15:46] <fr0styy> I think i have 2
[15:46] <shauno> to be fair, I have difficulty translating BSOD into english.
[15:46] <fr0styy> You get to invite people (marketing ploy)
[15:46] <cps> fr0styy: I'm not really a gamer tbh
[15:46] <hamitron> nperry: boot livecd and run memtest?
[15:47] <fr0styy> cps: Thought I'd ask anyways, since you guys helped me so much today :D
[15:47] <cps> nae problem :p
[15:47] <czajkowski> davmor2: you are I are gonna come to blows one day mister!
[15:48] <nperry> hamitron: Downloading ISO now, as can't be bothered to go home to usb key with it on.
[15:48] <shauno>  /lastlog davmor
[15:48] <selinuxium> Afternoon all  o/
[15:48] <davmor2> czajkowski: What for this time?
[15:48] <selinuxium> AlanBell, you about fella?
[15:49] <fr0styy> selinuxium: Hi *waves*
[15:49] <nperry> The laptop was brought in Poland however the BIOS is in english..
[15:49] <hamitron> nperry: you can probably get a small livecd specially for it
[15:49] <hamitron> if that helps
[15:49] <nperry> Its 90% done, 10meg line
[15:49] <nperry> Thought would vistit irc just to let off steam :/
[15:49]  * hamitron comforts his 190kbps
[15:50] <fr0styy> nperry: Iso should be able to fix it though, right?
[15:50] <BigRedS> nperry: with the bsod, normally the error code is useful enough on its own, and it's pretty recognsiable (being a hex string)
[15:50] <BigRedS> fr0styy: yeah, that makes sense. Sounds intriguing but I've already a list of games to catch-up with...
[15:51] <czajkowski> davmor2: FB!
[15:51] <shauno> I rarely go as far as the numbers.  if it mentions VXD, it's a driver.  if not, it's likely memory.
[15:52] <czajkowski> selinuxium: he's hiding...
[15:53] <fr0styy> BigRedS: No problemo, lemme know if you ever change your mind. It is one of those games where you kinda side-bench your other games though...Thought I'd warn you.
[15:54] <BigRedS> fr0styy: ah, I already do that with the sorts of games for which most people don't put everything else aside :)
[15:54] <fr0styy>  BigRedS: Hey! you gota finish what you started, right? ;)
[15:55] <selinuxium> czajkowski, :)
[15:55] <selinuxium> czajkowski, You going to Openexpo?
[15:55] <czajkowski> selinuxium: don't think so tbh, head to fosdem on the friday
[15:56] <fr0styy> Whats openexpo?
[15:57] <selinuxium> fr0styy, http://www.opensourceexpo.co.uk/
[15:58] <cps> 'K, I would go if it wasn't aimed at people who work for/own companies...
[15:58] <cps> well, aimed specifically*
[15:58] <fr0styy> selinuxium: Wow...Sounds interesting
[15:59] <fr0styy> Though its in Feb, and I dont know if the UKBA would like me staying here any longer! :-!
[16:00] <fr0styy> Im offically in the GTFO senario soon lol
[16:00] <cps> UKBA?
[16:00] <cps> don't you mean UKPA?
[16:01]  * DJones assumes UK Borders Agency
[16:01] <cps> ah
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[16:01] <fr0styy> Bingo! :D
[16:01] <nperry> BigRedS: It only flashes 2 secs before reboot can't read it with all the jibberish polish
[16:01] <screen-x> nperry: DSLR handy?
[16:02] <fr0styy> I don't want to make a guest apperance on "UK Border Patrol" :D
[16:02] <nperry> screen-x: I'm at work, so no.
[16:02] <cps> fr0styy: what country are you from?
[16:02] <nperry> Booting into memtest now
[16:02] <screen-x> nperry: businesses need cameras..
[16:02] <fr0styy> cps: Im Saudi Arabian
[16:02] <cps> ah
[16:02] <BigRedS> bigcalm: ah, the famous reboot-on-bsod
[16:02] <nperry> Am I right in thinking that will give a different error then the BSOD? but should be googleable if memory is fried
[16:03] <bigcalm> ?
[16:03] <screen-x> haha
[16:03] <BigRedS> bigcalm? how did I manage that
[16:03]  * bigcalm pokes BigRedS with a tab
[16:03] <screen-x> b is right next to n
[16:03] <BigRedS> that's one hell of a typo.
[16:03] <nperry> screen-x: shitty cheap ones.
[16:03] <BigRedS> ahh, it's not that bad
[16:03] <daubers> ghjgjo/
[16:03] <davmor2> czajkowski: I'm sure I don't know what you mean
[16:03] <screen-x> nperry: only if they want their reports/website/whatever to look rubbish
[16:03] <daubers> Hmm...
[16:03]  * czajkowski kicks davmor2 
[16:04] <screen-x> daubers: what was that?
[16:04] <fr0styy> cps: Never had trouble with them ever though, even when I over stayed (8 days) I had my pappers ready for them. Better safe than sorry, I always say!  (Says the guy who almost repartitioned ubuntu with no backup)
[16:04] <daubers> screen-x: SSH catching up apparently
[16:04] <screen-x> heh
[16:04] <cps> hah
[16:04] <daubers> kvm question! How many VM's would you put on a box with a quad core machine (and oodles of RAM)
[16:04] <daubers> Most of them won't be doing a lot of processor intensive work
[16:05] <fr0styy> cps: screen-x: You dont know! It was a "Shoot myslef in the foot" moment! lol
[16:05]  * davmor2 entangles czajkowski hair with silly putty
[16:05] <cps> fr0styy: :P
[16:05]  * cps entangles czajkowski's hair with even more silly putty
[16:06] <screen-x> daubers: keep going till the loadavg reaches num CPUs -1
[16:06] <daubers> screen-x: Heh. Since these are mostly webservers that'll be a lot..
[16:06] <czajkowski> cps: oi less jumping on the bandwaggon there!
[16:06] <czajkowski> davmor2: we're finished! be gone!
[16:06]  * czajkowski sends davmor2 to the brat corner! 
[16:06] <cps> czajkowski: sorry but the bandwagon was an essential one to jump on
[16:06] <jpds> davmor2: /nick gone
[16:07] <screen-x> daubers: maybe you'll have to do it on traffic/latency then?
[16:08]  * davmor2 gives czajkowski a big hug and spends the next 6 hours pulling bits of silly putty out of her hair
[16:08] <daubers> screen-x: Again, mostly low volume stuff. I want to put 5 or 6 VMs on the box, most taxing of which will be an OpenVPN server
[16:08] <czajkowski> davmor2: nope!
[16:08] <screen-x> daubers: that should be no prob, especially if none of them have any swap
[16:09] <davmor2> czajkowski: glass of JD if every we meet?
[16:09] <Mez> does anyone know if I can find out what time(s) a screensaver was either manually activated, or done through inactivity?
[16:09] <Mez> I want to prove a point.
[16:09] <daubers> screen-x: Nope, RAM isn't an issue
[16:09] <daubers> screen-x: Am tempted to wang an entropy key on it for good measure for the VPN side
[16:10] <screen-x> :)
[16:10] <czajkowski> davmor2: nope!
[16:11] <davmor2> Mez: I think there is a way to know if it was triggered through inactivity not sure about manually and I don't know how either
[16:11] <Mez> I can work out when it was unlocked...
[16:11] <Mez> due to "unlocked login keyring"
[16:12] <screen-x> daubers: #OT have you seen what they've done to the buttons in the OSX app store app? it looks worse than iTunes.
[16:12] <daubers> screen-x: I only had a quick look at it this morning and didn't notice......
[16:13] <daubers> screen-x: Will have a look this evening
[16:13] <daubers> screen-x: Did notice iLife is about half the price of the boxed version on the app store
[16:14] <Mez> I can also work out the time the current screensaver has been locked.
[16:15] <screen-x> daubers: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/10/mac-app-store-top-pic-rm-eng.jpg
[16:17] <daubers> are they back to front?
[16:17] <daubers> just inline with the toolbar
[16:20] <screen-x> daubers:  not back to front, but in line and vertically centred
[16:20] <MattJ> popey: "it doesn't have to be your Canonical presence or indeed your only one." <-- automatic capitalisation reflex? :)
[16:20] <daubers> does look a bit odd
[16:21] <screen-x> Good title: http://reverttosaved.com/2011/01/06/mac-app-store-ui-is-so-hideous-that-it-makes-me-want-to-kick-a-swan/
[16:22] <popey> yes :)
[16:23] <Laney> I haven't/can't been bothered to reboot to osx in order to upgrade yet
[16:24] <popey> I did, it's underwhelming
[16:24] <screen-x> yah
[16:48] <Customizer> Does anyone, add functionality to programs to have their own elite suit of applications for further development and personal usage?
[16:48] <czajkowski> http://twitter.com/#!/SiriusCorp/status/23419976660553728  <---- folks may be interested
[16:49] <BigRedS> I edit my bashrc and vimrc ....
[16:50] <Customizer> im not even sure what bashrc and vimrc is... (vimrc == vim?)
[16:51] <BigRedS> Customizer: yeah, the config files for bash and for vim.
[16:52] <BigRedS> well, user-specific config files. So you can define your own shortcuts and alter behaviour to make it work how you'd like it to
[16:53] <Customizer> what did you do to vim?
[16:54] <BigRedS> right now, not huge amounts 'cause I use too many computers. Mostly shortcuts; F5 does a perl syntax check; F6 and F7 #-out and unhash the selection, respectively. I can't remember the rest, since I don't use them very much...
[16:54] <BigRedS> hang on
[16:55] <dutchie> czajkowski: i might be interested in the summer
[16:55] <BigRedS> Hah, I got even those wrong. vimrc's here: https://github.com/BigRedS/dotfiles/blob/master/vimrc
[16:55] <dutchie> i probably should do something like that
[16:56] <dutchie> BigRedS: how do you keep up to date? clone into ~/dotfiles and have symlinks?
[16:56] <BigRedS> yeah
[16:56] <BigRedS> i've a deb file that sorts all that crap out
[16:56] <BigRedS> i keep meaning to put the dotfiles in the deb
[16:57] <BigRedS> but I don't change PCs *that* often, I just have several, and they're all mostly set up now
[16:57] <BigRedS> but, generally,  edit sources.list, apt-get install avi, then I'm away :)
[16:59] <Customizer> o.O
[17:01]  * dutchie adds that to todo list
[17:01] <czajkowski> dutchie: ok. well gives a shout closer
[17:02] <czajkowski> dutchie: still no harm in sending cv and stating that tbh
[17:26] <popey> BigRedS: "Your box is on its way"
[17:27] <bigcalm> Oh, I've got 2 lots of 2 boxes to give away to use customers
[17:27] <bigcalm> Any takers?
[17:27] <popey> yay, "cherry tomato, basil and puglian pesto focaccia", "himalayas & beyond", "total eclipse" and "wasapea"
[17:27] <popey> http://graze.com/b/ctm1d
[17:27] <popey> my box :)
[17:28] <bigcalm> Nice
[17:28] <bigcalm> I think I got total eclipse as well
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> hm, google docs does video now
[17:29] <popey> o_O
[17:29] <BigRedS> video? that's not a document!
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> http://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=1047043&hl=en
[17:29] <BigRedS> popey: my box?
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> popey,  BigRedS ^
[17:29] <popey> sorry
[17:30] <Azelphur> haha, my friend has invented a new form of trolling...Linux trolling http://pastebin.com/Sby27mey
[17:31] <MartijnVdS> hahaha
[17:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> What's happenin' all?
[17:31] <bigcalm> Hehe
[17:31] <Azelphur> :D
[17:32] <Customizer> gtg
[17:49] <fr0styy> I'd Like to thank the great people for their help today, you guys rock! I'll be back! :P
[17:49] <fr0styy> laterz! *waves*
[17:49] <shauno> sleep well
[17:50] <screen-x> laters fr0styy
[17:50] <fr0styy> Still two more hours to go, but i think ill make it! :D
[17:50] <screen-x> :)
[17:50] <fr0styy> thanks for the support, over and out!
[17:51] <screen-x> shauno: so while its quiet, why can't you go back to the USA?
[17:51] <brobostigon> evening all.
[17:51] <gord> i just had to resize a window on ubuntu by grabbing the window edge whilst using a touchpad =\
[17:52] <screen-x> gord: did you manage?
[17:52] <shauno> I hope you like a challenge :)
[17:55] <screen-x> servers are so slow to boot
[17:56] <MartijnVdS> especially if they have hardware RAID
[17:56] <screen-x> yeah
[17:56] <BigRedS> mmm, I'm still amused at having to schedule 40mins downtime to boot into a new kernel
[17:57] <brobostigon> ouch.
[17:58] <zleap> ouch
[17:58] <zleap> why 40 mins
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> fsck?
[17:59] <shauno> screen-x: fun complications with my greeencard.  Left me in a fun position where I'm no longer a lawful resident, but not elligible for the standard 90day 'visa waiver' / tourist visa.
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> shauno: \o/ bureaucracy
[18:00] <shauno> so I either go thru an incredibly awkward process trying to apply for a visa before I travel (while the embassy here tell me I don't need one, USCIS will turn me away at the border without one).
[18:00] <screen-x> shauno: yeah, that sort of thing is far to complicated and gets ugly quickly :(
[18:00]  * brobostigon flings windows cd's at bureaucracy for shauno 
[18:00] <shauno> Or just let the wife go home to visit family alone.  yay bureacracy indeed :)
[18:02] <ocean_> hi guys i need some help to connect to wifi with my ubuntu 10.10 64 bit please. the wifi card in my machine seems to be RT 30390 which apparently has got some problems on ubuntu 10.10
[18:06] <screen-x> right I'm off, have a good weekend everyone, and special mention for those who have to work :(
[18:07] <popey> o/
[18:10] <shauno> my favourite gripe with the whole greencard mess, is that I know quite a few people living in the US illegally, and trouble-free.  went thru reams of paper (and a significant amount of currency) doing it properly, then got fouled because I spent more than 3 consecutive months out of the country.
[18:10] <shauno> the 20 year 'black mark' I earned for that is exactly the same as an illegal would get if caught.  balmy.
[18:11] <zleap> sounds crazy
[18:13] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[18:15] <pr0ph3t> I'm having some problems with a couple of rfswitches that have not been implemented in the driver I am using, more specifically those for the 3g modem, for bluetooth and wifi all is good. Is there anyway I could set them up without recompiling the kernel and applying the patch?
[18:15] <pr0ph3t> ali1234, hey I don't think the patch has been merged in 2.6.37 yet :(
[18:20] <ocean_> hi guys i need some help to connect to wifi with my ubuntu 10.10 64 bit please. the wifi card in my machine seems to be RT 30390 which apparently has got some problems on ubuntu 10.10
[18:37] <awilkins> gord there's a resize option in the rclick menu... I think it's not that good, but sometimes it's better than finding these new narrow window edges
[18:38] <awilkins> gord, Or was the title bar not available on the window in question?
[18:54] <Adriannom|droid-> Lo. How do i kill network manager temporarily?
[18:56] <Adriannom|droid-> Sudo service network-manager stop returns "stop: unknown instance:"
[18:56] <brobostigon> Adriannom|droid-: sudo /etc/init.d/network-manager stop
[18:57] <Adriannom|droid-> Tried that brob, it lectures me on using the service command but doesn't say whether it succeeded or failed (or even tried) nm still present
[18:59] <gord> i really hate the qt file chooser, its like using windows from 10 years ago
[18:59] <gord> awilkins, nope, i just didn't think of that :)
[18:59] <brobostigon> i thought you can directly use the init.d name in service command, so i dont know.
[18:59] <Adriannom|droid-> :(
[19:00] <brobostigon> Adriannom|droid-: i am on debian sid here though, so there might be a few differences.
[19:00] <Adriannom|droid-> Yeah
[19:00] <gord> brobostigon, Adriannom|droid-, its upstart now. just "sudo stop network-manager"
[19:00] <Adriannom|droid-> Weird how service won't stop it though
[19:01] <Adriannom|droid-> Gord: returns "stop: unknown instance: "
[19:01] <brobostigon> gord: interesting,
[19:01] <gord> sounds like network manager isn't running then
[19:01] <gord> which makes it hard to stop
[19:01] <Adriannom|droid-> Aha, the icon was still there and fooled me
[19:01] <gord> or upstart *thinks* its not running maybe ;)
[19:02] <Azelphur> the logic is clearly strong with the daily mail, Firefox dethrones IE as europes most popular web browser, so we'll show a picture of some chick with an iPad running safari. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1344263/Firefox-dethrones-Internet-Explorer-Europes-popular-web-browser.html
[19:02] <Adriannom|droid-> You're right, it's dead
[19:02] <Adriannom|droid-> Thanks :)
[19:02] <Azelphur> >.<
[19:02] <brobostigon> gord: is "stop" meant to be a seperate app, as i cant pull anything about it.
[19:02] <gord> brobostigon, its part of upstart
[19:03] <gord> you have start, stop, restart. maybe more
[19:03] <brobostigon> gord: let me do some research,
[19:06] <brobostigon> upstart seem to be present in debian sid.
[19:07] <brobostigon> and i dont have it installed.
[19:08] <gord> i wouldn't know how easy it is to make debian use upstart
[19:08] <brobostigon> gord: i dont eaither, hence iamdoing my reserch,
[19:08] <gord> i would suggest you backup important files before trying though ;)
[19:09] <brobostigon> agreed, yes, :)
[19:11] <Adriannom|droid-> Trying to get into failsafe mode on my wrt54gl. The dmz light is flashing rapidly, and i have a machine with a static ip connected to port 1. Problem is, ping 198.192.1.1 returns "destination host unreachable". The ping works fine if the router is booted normally.  Any ideas?  using ubuntu 10.04 and NetworkManager is stopped
[19:35] <Adriannom|droid-> that should be 192.168.1.1 btw :s
[19:37] <cbx333> hey all
[19:37] <cbx333> anyone formatted a USB stick/hdd for PS3 in linux??
[19:37] <AlanBell> popey: looks like we have a .org stand at the cloud show
[20:06] <czajkowski> evening
[20:07] <brobostigon> evening czajkowski
[20:08] <Pendulum> hiya czajkowski
[20:21] <daubers> Evening
[20:25] <suprengr> \o/
[20:25] <cbx333> hey
[20:25] <cbx333> video bods
[20:25] <cbx333> anyone use handbrake
[20:26] <gord> some people do, whats the actual question?
[20:26] <cbx333> deinterlacing
[20:26] <jacobw> cbx333: #handbrake
[20:26] <cbx333> yeh i know
[20:26] <cbx333> I'm in there
[20:26] <cbx333> but I know peeps in here
[20:26] <cbx333> :)
[20:26] <gord> "deinterlacing" is not a question :)
[20:27] <cbx333> heheh
[20:27] <cbx333> i want to encode a video as deinterlaced
[20:28] <cbx333> as it is interlaced dvd at the moment
[20:28] <gord> handbrake automatically detects interlaced content and attempts to deinterlace it
[20:28] <cbx333> hmm
[20:28] <cbx333> apparently not the version i have
[20:28] <cbx333> lemme see
[20:28] <gord> theres a preview picture button somewhere, press that
[20:29] <cbx333> yeh
[20:29] <cbx333> found it
[20:29] <gord> when that opens there is an options box that has the deinterlace/other thing option, the other thing automatically detects, the deinterlace option always deinterlaces content
[20:30] <gord> the end result will still look bad, but there is nothing you can do about that, the interlacing process irreversibly destroyed picture quality
[20:31] <cbx333> yes
[20:32] <Tok_> irc://irc.surrealchat.net/radiosega
[20:33] <bigcalm> !spam
[20:45] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[20:46] <pr0ph3t> how can I point out politely that a driver should be merged with mainline? I can't recompile everytime I want to update kernel!
[20:47] <bigcalm> Does everybody need this driver?
[20:47] <pr0ph3t> I mean I know Linus is a very busy man, but I can't keep going like this :P
[20:47] <pr0ph3t> everybody with an asus laptop
[20:47] <pr0ph3t> bigcalm, it's a bugfixed version of an already implemented driver
[20:47] <bigcalm> I see
[20:48] <pr0ph3t> there was 3g support missing
[20:48] <pr0ph3t> it has been there for over three months now and kernel 2.6.37 doesn't feature it yet
[20:54] <jacobw> I doubt that Linus has much to do with the integration of drivers in to the mainline kernel
[21:13] <AlanBell> o/ all
[21:13] <bigcalm> Taaraa AlanBell
[21:13] <AlanBell> we need to schedule the next meeting to go over some bits and bobs like the cloud expo
[21:13] <bigcalm> Oh, it was a hello
[21:14] <danfish> evening
[21:14] <AlanBell> bigcalm: I am only called Tara at weekends
[21:14] <bigcalm> :D
[21:14] <danfish> Tara, which is the cloud expo thing agaon?
[21:14] <danfish> *again
[21:14]  * AlanBell is in too many channels to do /nick tara :)
[21:14] <danfish> heh
[21:15] <AlanBell> http://www.cloudexpoeurope.com/
[21:17] <AlanBell> and I think we should schedule http://www.watercressline.co.uk/Our-Services/RAT for some point in the year too
[21:18] <danfish> ah - I'm probably being thick, but is that running parallel to http://www.opensourceexpo.co.uk/ (I'm going on the Friday)
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: /hilight -word tara ;)
[21:19] <AlanBell> same thing
[21:19] <danfish> cool
[21:20] <danfish> oh yeah, it's in the top right hand corner of the opensourceexpo homepage!
[21:20]  * bigcalm dissapears to watch Scot Pilgrim vs the World and drink lots of fine
[21:21]  * danfish <---- muppet :)
[21:21] <MartijnVdS> danfish: ^^ oldnews
[21:23] <czajkowski> AlanBell: selinuxium was looking for you earlier on
[21:24] <danfish> MartijnVdS: :)
[21:25] <AlanBell> czajkowski: I think that was about the expo thingumie
[21:27] <czajkowski> ah ok
[21:27] <czajkowski> hmm see they still haven't removed our logo >:(
[21:31] <AlanBell> Daviey: pingaling
[21:34] <marsilainen> hi all
[21:35] <marsilainen> what is the current opinion on ati vs nvidia on linux/ubuntu?
[21:35] <marsilainen> just about to buy a new machine and I need to decide which way to jump...
[21:35] <marsilainen> I'm interested in things working - like suspend etc, more than which has ultimate performance
[21:39] <jacobw> I'd just go with the vendor and cards that have the best drivers now
[21:39] <marsilainen> which is what?
[21:40] <davidjmemmett> which is?
[21:40] <davidjmemmett> I'm routing for ATI
[21:40] <davidjmemmett> except 3d acc. is poor
[21:40] <jacobw> davidjmemmett: I would as well
[21:43] <jacobw> Although, I don't intend to provide a specific answer, just to say that I would go by what driver is best now rather than the ATI vs nVidia debate
[21:44]  * MartijnVdS pets his intel chips
[21:44] <MartijnVdS> my preciousss
[21:44] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: Have they got names?
[21:44] <marsilainen> jacobw: I understand that there is a lot of religion in the argument, just wondering what people plump for I guess
[21:44] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: i5, i3 :)
[21:44] <marsilainen> intel probably are the cleanest supported right?
[21:45] <jacobw> marsilainen: Well, as MartijnVdS, a lot people do plump for Intel over ATI and nVidia
[21:45] <marsilainen> how far behind ati/nvidia are they?
[21:51] <pr0ph3t> even patching failed
[21:51] <pr0ph3t> great
[22:11] <kvarley> Trying to use the vtech storio in ubuntu using wine. It keeps saying plug the device in when it's plugged in, do I need to make some sort of virtual drive in wine cfg?
[22:13] <MartijnVdS> device drivers + wine.. doesn't work often
[22:29] <jacobw> Are there any users of Bytemark Symbiosis here?
[22:31] <AlanBell> kvarley:  is it a usb device?
[22:40] <kvarley> AlanBell Yes
[22:41] <AlanBell> http://wiki.winehq.org/USB
[22:42] <AlanBell> I guess it doesn't do anything sensible under linux like appear as a drive?
[22:44] <kvarley> AlanBell: Yes it does which is irritating as it doesnt seem to work with the software but it shows the build in storage and sd card that's plugged into it
[22:47] <AlanBell> guess the software wants to talk to it directly then
[22:50] <gord> kvarley, you might have better luck with the non open source version of virtual box
[22:50] <gord> + a windows install obviously
[22:51] <danfish> has the uk planet stopped updating?
[22:53] <jacobw> Hmm, looks like it
[23:57] <AlexJ_> Evening everyone, I'm trying to do some learning, I have this error message http://i52.tinypic.com/r0bg47.png I know I can press Delete, but can I delete it from the command line instead
[23:59] <AlexJ_> Hello?