[00:15] night all! [05:13] is anyone here? [05:14] I need help setting up ubuntu [05:14] for Ubuntu itself, you might be better off asking in #ubuntu [06:56] err [06:56] I meant ubuntu one [06:56] but Im going through the FAQ atm [07:37] I need some help understanding ubuntu one... is anyone available? [07:38] battlehands: what do you need :)? [07:39] well... I dont understand how the file syncing works... [07:39] battlehands: general idea is that, if you have few computers set up with ubuntu one [07:40] battlehands: the moment you change a file on one computer, U1 sends it to the cloud, and the other computers will download that file [07:40] battlehands: it's called synchronization. ubuntu one keeps your files in sync. [07:40] the same goes for contacts sync, notes sync (Tomboy) [07:40] yeah, thats exactly how I understood it. [07:41] would you be willing to help me set that up?] [07:41] there's also stuff related to buying and streaming music. [07:41] battlehands: you just click your name in the upper right corner, click Ubuntu One [07:41] done [07:41] battlehands: and from there, it's a piece of cake. (if you're using 10.10 I assume) [07:41] battlehands: you have a 'Ubuntu One' folder in your home directory? [07:41] Yes, I do. [07:42] and I am using 10.10 [07:42] battlehands: then you're done :) [07:42] ok [07:42] battlehands: once you place files in Ubuntu One, or right click any folder in home and select 'Sync with ubuntu one' [07:42] battlehands: they will start appearing on one.ubuntu.com/files [07:42] I am unable to sync my home folder, correcT? [07:43] battlehands: you can't, but you can select few folders to sync, for example. [07:43] ok [07:43] ok [07:43] battlehands: or select a folder with some configuration files, and point your programs there [07:43] so heres my question [07:43] (that'd give you the feeling of syncing software settings) [07:43] I think stipple also does that [07:44] if I sync "Documents" folder on my laptop, and save a file in that folder, will a "Documents" folder be created on my desktop? [07:45] battlehands: you probably already have a Documents folder on your desktop. [07:45] correct [07:45] so how does the sync work in that situation? [07:45] battlehands: however, if you select a new folder and check 'synchronice with ubuntu one' , then it will create the folder [07:45] hmm [07:46] so... "Documents" folder on laptop = "Documents" folder on desktop? [07:46] battlehands: i'm not sure.. probably your Documents folder on the PC will start to synchronize ^ ^ [07:46] as long as they are both synced? [07:46] yes [07:46] battlehands: easiest way would be to [07:46] that is excellent [07:46] check 'synchronize with ubuntu one' on your laptop [07:46] put a new file there [07:46] create some file [07:46] uyeah [07:46] and check if it will .. yea [07:46] see if it shows on the desktop [07:46] ok [07:46] :) [07:46] let me do that real fast [07:47] sure [07:47] i'm here. i'm attending unbelivably boring lecture :/ [07:47] ha [07:47] what subject? [07:47] computer graphics (sounds quite general. and indeed it is) [07:48] battlehands: and imagine I have such a subject on 'networking and systems programming' specialisation [07:48] lower level course? [07:48] that is, my major. [07:48] engineering studies [07:48] nice [07:48] im studying engineering also [07:48] electrical [07:48] that's unbelivably stupid. I shouldn't be learning that stuff, it's totally unrelated. And boring :/ [07:48] battlehands: nice :) [07:48] lol [07:49] i'm 3rd year, but i'm a lil bit older (changed universities) [07:49] ok, back to Ubuntu One or we jump on priv [07:50] yeah [07:50] im running the test right now [07:50] sure [07:50] ok, so check this out [07:51] On my laptop I created a folder within my Home folder called "thisisatest". I then created a folder with the same name on my desktop computer. [07:51] I then synced the folder on my laptop to U1. [07:51] no no no, sorry [07:51] that's not the way you work with *new* folders [07:51] ok [07:51] you can remove it from your desktop. if you select [07:51] 'sync on u1' on your laptop, it will appear itself on your desktop :) [07:51] ohhh [07:51] wow [07:52] Im so new to this stuff [07:52] battlehands: I had doubts about Documents folder because I know [07:52] battlehands: it's there by default :) [07:52] Ive been using Ubuntu for about 3 weeks [07:52] battlehands: sorry, my bad. I might have not been clear about that. just select 'sync on u1' on that folder on the laptop [07:52] battlehands: :) [07:52] battlehands: you're at good place to ask. [07:52] yeah, but it works that way with the Documents folder [07:53] battlehands: did a file appear on your laptop :)? [07:53] so it must be that if there is a folder on another machine with U1 loaded, then the folder will either be merged or replaced [07:53] in the ~/Documents ? [07:53] battlehands: i think something of a 'merged' style [07:53] ok [07:54] Am I required to have a U1 folder in my home folder? [07:54] or can I just sync the current folders that I have. [07:54] duanedesign: interesting question. what happens if we select to sync a folder on one PC, and there's already the same named folder on another machine? it's a merge? how does this work [07:54] battlehands: the moment you set up Ubuntu One, you'll get that folder by default [07:54] correct [07:55] am I required to keep it? [07:55] battlehands: if you remove the folder, currently, it will remove all the contents of ~/Ubuntu One folders on your computers [07:55] battlehands: so, unless you're not using the folder itself, you could try removing it. but i'm not 100% sure if it's a good idea. [07:55] ok, so I can just leave it there but empty [07:55] it's, in general, the 'main' place for U1 [07:55] yea :) [07:55] I prefer to just sync the folders I have [07:56] I understand [07:56] wow [07:56] U1 is an incredibly useful feature of Ubuntu [07:56] duanedesign: one more question. if a user prefers to sync custom folders only, is it safe to remove the ~/Ubuntu One folder ? [07:56] battlehands: indeed :) I'm happy you like it [07:56] battlehands: it's constantly being worked on by the developers [07:56] who is duanedesign ? [07:57] battlehands: he's one of the brainz we have here. together with rye, they are able to answer virtually any question. [07:57] but he's not around right now. [07:57] were you leaving him a message? [07:58] yes, I left him a message. He'll reply later. Once I know, I'll be able to answer similar questions next time :) [07:58] I would like to help out if possible... though I don't know much yet. [07:58] karni, do I have to apply for such a position? [07:59] battlehands: what do you mean exactly? what kind of position? [07:59] karni, helping out with answering questions in this channel. [08:00] if you want to help out people, there's nothing necessary apart from knowing your ways around and knowing how Ubuntu One works. ok, so [08:00] battlehands: torough lecture of wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne is a good idea :) it'll give you [08:01] much info how U1 works (if you enter wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOn with an error ;) you'll get to some pages that are not linked from the wiki, but contain interesting info, too) [08:01] hang around on the channel whenever you have time and feel like, and also observe other people. like mentioned, you can learn much from duanedesign and rye :) really much. [08:02] cool, I will definitely do that [08:02] thanks so much for the help, karni [08:02] battlehands: one of useful links is the link from this channel topic [08:02] wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/FAQ [08:02] knowing that stuff can help answering many questions [08:02] battlehands: you are most welcome :) [08:02] battlehands: you're always welcome here [08:03] battlehands: especially during that dang lecture xD [08:03] we can talk and kill time hahah [08:03] haha [08:03] ok, I will catch you later [08:03] l8r mate! [08:03] Im off to read and play around [08:03] l8s! [08:03] :) [08:21] karni, still there? [08:21] battlehands: for a sec, yes [08:21] battlehands: sup mate :)? [08:21] karni, I tested the "merge" idea with the "documents" folder. [08:21] aha :) [08:22] a PDF filed worked like a charm, but an odt file didnt... [08:22] I dont know all the details yet, but I will let you know what I find out. [08:22] maybe it's still working? type in the terminal: u1sdtool --status [08:22] great, thanks :) [08:22] u1sdtool gives you some info what's behind the scenes [08:23] or: u1sdtool --waiting-content [08:23] yeah, its still in progress [08:23] so it works perfectly!!! [08:23] battlehands: probably that's it :) [08:23] battlehands: more interestingly -- what happens, if you decide to sync such a folder (existing on 2 computers), and there's a file named the same, but different content. [08:24] :) [08:24] indeed [08:25] battlehands: i'll be back a bit later [08:25] * karni is away for some time [08:25] later [08:26] karni, I know you are away, but I was thinking about what you said. [08:26] If there were two files with the same name but different content, then you would be forced to rename one of them before putting it into a shared folder... [12:36] hello all [13:01] Hola alecu [13:07] ralsina: ping [13:58] stand up in 2' crowd [13:58] ^ ralsina, mandel, dobey, CardinalFang, vds, thisfred [13:59] me [13:59] me [13:59] still one minute left! :-P [13:59] bah, same thing, we can q already :) [13:59] is like going to the toilet, you do not want to wait til the last second in case the q is too long [14:00] me [14:00] me [14:00] mandel: you always have a toilet story to tell, right? ;-) [14:00] ralsina, dobey, CardinalFang, thisfred? [14:01] me [14:01] nessita: most of the time I do… the times I dont, I'm in the toilet [14:01] me [14:01] meh [14:01] 2 more to go!!! ralsina, dobey? :-) [14:02] one more and the bets are closing! [14:02] although, my status sucks [14:02] * nessita misses the boss, but let's start anyways [14:02] vds: go! [14:02] DONE: continuing on developers RESP APIs [14:02] reviews: https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/desktopcouch/move_testing_to_platform/+merge/45501 [14:02] TODO: I forgot to add bugs for the REST APIs work so I'm going to do it this afternoon [14:02] BLOCKED: nope [14:02] mandel: go [14:02] DONE: Reyes Magos (yesterday)!Fixed bug 699749, bug 699743, bug 699757, bug 699766, bug 699818. Talked with a community member that is happy to package desktopcouch for windows. [14:02] TODO: Implement PortAdvertiser for Windows. Improve CouchDb batch to be used to start couchdb on windows. [14:02] BLOCKED: no [14:02] Launchpad bug 699749 in desktopcouch "Platform specific tests are not ignored (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/699749 [14:02] i might as well just skip [14:02] Launchpad bug 699743 in desktopcouch "Testing infrastructure should be move to the platform module when it depends on the running system (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/699743 [14:02] Launchpad bug 699757 in desktopcouch "Batch to run the tests on windows is missing (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/699757 [14:02] Launchpad bug 699766 in desktopcouch "Import error when running tests on windows (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/699766 [14:02] Launchpad bug 699818 in desktopcouch "There is no implementation of the base directories utilities on windows (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/699818 [14:02] * mandel looks at nessita [14:02] DONE: bug #696782 (I still need reviews for https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-control-panel/start-dc-on-backend/+merge/45448 and https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-control-panel/replication-to-the-backend/+merge/45439), bug triaging [14:02] TODO: bug #692772 [14:02] BLOCKED: nopes [14:02] NEXT: alecu [14:02] Launchpad bug 696782 in ubuntuone-control-panel (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Start DC service in backend to make that op asynch (affects: 1) (heat: 1089)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/696782 [14:03] Launchpad bug 692772 in ubuntuone-control-panel (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Visual improvements (affects: 1) (heat: 255)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/692772 [14:03] DONE: endlessly discussed bug #650671 regarding "out of space" dialog. A vm to run natty (cause it crashes the lappy). started with twin bugs: #692730 & #693545 [14:03] TODO: finish branch for twin bugs, get "out of space" branch merged. shop for underwear. [14:03] BLOCKED: yes, a lot. thank you for asking. [14:03] * alecu says "it's thisfred turn now" [14:03] Launchpad bug 650671 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu Natty) (and 5 other projects) "UbuntuOne "out of space" dialog is broken (affects: 12) (dups: 2) (heat: 48)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/650671 [14:03] DONE: worked on upgrading server code to new desktopcouch TODO: finish that, transfer bindwood knowledge to jamesh BLOCKED no [14:03] CardinalFang: á vous! [14:04] Merci. DONE: some planning of API implementations (mostly playlist). Desktopcouch nearly released. Files discussion on android. [14:04] TODO: Finish testing removal of a depencency for python-couchdb. Release. [14:04] BLOCKED: None [14:04] dobey: go! [14:04] doe [14:05] λ DONE: not much [14:05] λ TODO: jury duty paperwork, bug pitti about backports [14:05] λ BLCK: None. [14:05] dobey: can you please include in your TODO list a release for u1client? [14:06] yes, it is [14:06] thanks! [14:06] any comments? [14:06] but have to deal with that pesky g-s-d issue [14:07] dobey: I think the gsd issue for natty can wait after this release. I need u1client released so I can package u1cp, which is high priority [14:07] and does nobody understand what the SRU requirements are? [14:07] ideally I would like to have u1cp released before traveling [14:07] dobey: what do you mean? [14:08] stable releases have freezes imposed on them. adding a brand new gconf key is a new feature. (and also, should break string freeze, but the patch is using gconf wrong) [14:10] dobey: I think that ralsina is the one to deal with the release manager team [14:10] he will be able (or not) to defend the patch [14:11] that needs to be done BEFORE we shove it in the tree [14:11] dobey: anyways, since this gsd issue is very controversial, would you please release a natty package of u1client without the gsd fix? I think that task is orthogonal from the gsd issue [14:11] if you guys dont mind, Im going for lunch [14:11] i don't care who does it [14:11] mandel: go ahead! [14:11] * mandel -> lunch [14:11] if there is no other issue other than gsd, eom! [14:12] dobey: ok, we'll ping ralsina about that when he comes in [14:17] dobey, do you know much about the kind of court? [14:18] CardinalFang: re: jury duty? [14:18] yes. [14:18] CardinalFang: us district. i just got a summons last night, so gotta fill the form, and then i guess call next month to find out when exactly to go [14:19] of course, i would prefer to just be disqualified from serving. [14:20] dobey, Ah. Okay. Good luck. Federal can take a while. :\ [14:20] yeah [14:23] dobey, if it's a drug case, ask, "what if they guy's my dealer?!" That might help. [14:23] thisfred: I'm short on reviews, would you like to review the 'second' part of the branch you reviewed yesterday? it adds UI support to the backend [14:23] nessita: sure thing [14:23] somehow, i don't think having my house raided is a good solution to that problem [14:24] thisfred: https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-control-panel/start-dc-on-backend/+merge/45448 [14:24] dobey: just tell them you think all drugs should be legal. You'll be excused :) [14:27] not having to do jury duty neatly offsets not being able to vote as a non-citizen. I'll take taxation without representation. [14:39] thisfred: move into DC. then you can get a double dose of taxation without representation :) [14:39] yeah, gotta love their license plates [14:42] good morning [14:53] nessita: after following the instructions, everything seems to install fine, but then it says in orange: There is no ubuntuone pairing record. [14:53] thisfred: and you do have an ubuntuone pairing record? [14:54] nessita: I have no idea, but installing d-c should create one if it's not there right? [14:54] u1 desktopcouch that is [14:54] nessita: in futon I don't see one [14:54] thisfred: supposedly, but I think that is broken... or it was. dobey, installing dc-u1 will create the pairing record now? or is still 'broken'? [14:55] desktopcouch is still broken [14:55] nessita: ok, so then what else can I test, or is this enough? [14:56] thisfred: is it enough, unless you want torun the pairing code by hand on a terminal and then re open control panel [14:56] thisfred: the pairing code is located in the dc source tree, applications/plugins/ubuntuone [14:56] I can do that. [14:58] well ubuntuone_pairing [14:59] right [15:01] nessita: it's also installed in /usr/lib/desktopcouch, so I ran it from there, that works [15:01] nessita: I still don't agree that we need anything installed to replicate bookmarks or contacts [15:01] all dbs except those that are explicitly excluded should be replicated [15:02] people may have other apps that talk to contacts/bookmarks, that's the whole idea of desktopcouch [15:02] haha [15:02] i remember having this exact same argument before [15:03] well I didn't know this was the plan, but it's wrong. I mean I think it's great to have an option in the UI here to install bindwood and or evocouch, it's just that they have nothing to do with replication [15:03] I'm 99.7% sure aquarius will agree with me [15:03] no no [15:03] no? [15:03] i agree with you [15:04] Oh, I got that :) [15:04] i'm just saying i had this same argument before, when making preferences [15:04] because it was supposed to be the "Applications" tab [15:04] thisfred: I have no formed opinion about this. But, if the user doesn't have the app that stored bookmarks or contacnts into DC, how the replication is going to happen? [15:04] desktopcouch service does the replication [15:04] but i though "Services" was more apt, and putting "Evolution" or "Firefox" there seems wrong [15:04] not any of the apps [15:05] hang on, what will I agree with? [15:05] nessita: there isn't just one app that uses contacts or bookmarks, ideally anything that uses contacts or bookmarks should be able to use that db [15:05] thisfred: but, what is DC gonna replicate? nothing! en empty DB [15:06] nessita: well if the db is never created it won't be replicated [15:06] thisfred: right, but the user should have at least one of them ideally 'officially' supported by us [15:06] thisfred: you're not answering my question :-). Which app will add useful info to the bookmarks/contacts db? [15:06] nessita: strongly disagree. I mean I agree it would be nice if they did, but we DEFINITELY should not stop them from replicating if they don't [15:07] thisfred: I think from the control panel, yes, we should. DC may wanna provide a frontend to do what you're asking [15:07] nessita: it's not important, it's the user's data and it should be on the desktop and replicated to the cloud. This is desktopcouch's promise [15:07] thisfred: u1cp is not a frontend for desktopcouch [15:07] nessita: I'm not asking to do anything, I'm asking to NOT do something [15:07] thisfred: I understood that [15:08] we should not be excluding anything except where the user tells us to [15:08] thisfred: and we're not excluding anything unless the user tells us to [15:08] ok, then the UI is extremely confusing [15:09] It tells me it won't replicate stuff unless I install something. That is not the case [15:09] If I use funambol on my phone, the contacts will be replicated to my desktop [15:09] even if I don't use evolution [15:09] thisfred: ok, we may change the phrasing. The goal is 'u1cp will not let you manage your replication unless you have proper dependencies (for u1) installed)' [15:10] which is neat, since JamesTait is building thunderbird integration [15:10] eh [15:10] nessita: why? [15:10] Hmmm? Someone uttered my name? :) [15:10] nessita: either it does not manage replication at all, or it should be able to do it for all dbs [15:10] thisfred: by design, mostly [15:10] not just contacts and bookmarks [15:10] then the design is flawed :) [15:10] thisfred: actually, notes too [15:10] :) [15:11] thisfred: I have no problem changing the UI (depending on the effort maybe not in this cycle), but I need that this decision is made in higher layers [15:11] Since we have nowhere else to do it (easily) I vote we show a list of all dbs except _users and management, and let users check/uncheck at will [15:11] nessita: I know, I'm not ranting at you :) [15:12] thisfred: yeah, the only problem with that is that desktopcouch db names are sometimes evil, and it doesn't have pretty names or translations for them [15:12] thisfred: what I do think is, I don't see the point of enabling bookmarks rep (think as a regular user) if the bookmarks will not be stored (by any program) into the bokkmarks db [15:12] But in that case I would remove all reference to replication, and just offer two buttons to install the apps [15:12] nessita: the point is you don't know that it won't [15:12] so seeing some_random_db_i_have_no_idea_what_it_might_be in the ui would be offputting [15:13] dobey: no they're not [15:13] thisfred: can you rephrase that please? [15:13] dobey: unless the user makes them so [15:13] dobey: bookmarks, notes, contacts, all very informative names [15:13] thisfred: s/user/developer/ [15:13] yeah [15:13] *cough*gwibber*cough* [15:13] fair enough, but I don't know many horrible examples [15:14] gwibber_messages is clear enough [15:14] to me [15:14] but it doesn't use dc any more [15:14] thisfred: well, yes, but didsplaying that in a ui, sucks [15:15] nessita: so, when someone doesn't have bindwood, doesn't mean that they haven't written their own bookmarks app, or installed another 3d party one [15:15] also, it's app-specific, which is sort of the anti-thesis of desktopcouch [15:15] and even if they haven't, the point of replication is also to prevent data lock in [15:15] they always have *all* their data that is in our cloud on *all* their machines, unless they exclude dbs [15:16] yeah, this really goes against the ideas behind it. [15:16] It sucks that I never get to go to UDSes [15:16] thisfred: right. But in that case, the user will manage his DC databases from outside U1 (very likely). The most common case will be non technical users that see the word 'bookmark' and they expect that all the magic happen on its own. I think we can promise 'bookmarks replication' without enforcing that (at least) there is an app that actually writes the data to the DC db [15:16] because I would make them much more lively :P [15:16] we can t* [15:17] nessita: so, take out all references to replication, and just offer to install bindwood/tomboy/evocouch from there [15:17] problem solved [15:18] thisfred: well, and then, once those app are installed, would you offer to enable/disable a fixed set of replications? [15:19] I think we need to offer that, for the fixed set of data that U1 advertised it supports [15:19] I would love UI to check/uncheck *all* of a user's dbs for replication, but that is entirely separate [15:19] thisfred: yeah, that sounds like a UI for DC [15:19] There is NO fixed set of data that we support, we support any db the user cares to create [15:19] * dobey wish the UI was moved to the apps [15:19] [] Sync with Ubuntu One [15:19] yeah [15:19] thisfred: do not think in DC, think only in U1, [15:20] except dc has no UI [15:20] nessita: yeah, still true [15:20] dc does have ui [15:20] dobey: well not much :) [15:20] thisfred: so, if someone creates a 'my own personal dc database that no one knows about', u1 web ui will no know nothing about it [15:21] thisfred: yes, but it would be a trivial feat to add another tab to desktopcouch-pair to select which dbs to replicate, if one wanted [15:21] thisfred: I count that database as non-U1, even if is replicated by *desktopcouch* to all the user machines [15:21] not by u1 [15:21] nessita: well web ui is just one client of U1, so that's immaterial, it will still replicate, and a user still should be able to disable/enable that replication [15:21] 'bookmarks' is not non-u1 [15:22] nessita: *any* db will be replicated to U! [15:22] U1 [15:22] that is part of the service we offer [15:22] thisfred: to dc, not to U1, as far as I know (I know very little :-D)) [15:22] all dbs not specifically excluded anywya [15:22] nessita: yes to U1 [15:22] nessita: to couchdb.one.ubuntu.com [15:22] hum [15:22] ok [15:22] to "takes up your quota" [15:22] which is u1 :) [15:22] nessita: the ideal is let people build their own web ui on top of that even [15:22] I think is time to involve more managers on this one [15:23] +1 :) [15:23] thisfred: right, I understand [15:23] dobey: I see, I didn't know that [15:23] thisfred: so, wanna start a thread on ubunet or chase aquarius or Chipaca? [15:23] and/or [15:23] sure [15:24] thisfred: my branch matches the design spec, I may change it later when the discussion reaches a solution [15:24] let's see if either of them respond here soon, if not I'll kick off discussion [15:24] thisfred: in the mean time, I would like not to block my branch since that func is already in natty but working horrible since it blocks [15:25] nessita: yeah, I won't be withholding approval based on this ;) [15:25] nessita: sorry to side track you but question about udf selection...is that work done? [15:25] thisfred: thanks [15:25] joshuahoover: yes sir [15:25] joshuahoover: let me check the blueprint [15:25] (to see if is updated enough) [15:26] joshuahoover: what was the burndown chart link again? :-D [15:26] nessita: is it in the naty package or do we need another release? (i would check in naty but having a hard time getting a naty vm to run with latest updates) [15:26] nessita: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntuone-team.html [15:26] joshuahoover: is already on natty. What is not there yet is having U1CP opening from the menus, I'm blocked on a u1client release to do that [15:27] joshuahoover: so, ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk in the terminal brings up all the magic [15:27]