[00:57] <holstein> ScottL: did you see all those build errors :/
[00:57] <holstein> i guess xorg?
[00:57] <holstein> changes
[00:58] <holstein> thats probably not your're iessu though
[00:58] <holstein> issue*
[00:58] <holstein> the sigterm thing
[01:11] <ScottL> yeah i saw the xorg email :(
[01:12] <holstein> :/
[01:12] <ScottL> since its xorg i expect others to be looking into though :)
[01:12] <ScottL> but yeah, i don't think it's my sigterm issue
[01:13] <ScottL> i'll be trying the 32bit copy of natty downloaded yesterday 
[01:13] <holstein> i did 64-bit for sure
[01:13] <ScottL> i managed to install a lucid install so it's probably not my new machine :)
[01:13] <holstein> not ubuntustudio though
[01:14] <holstein> i should have tried the US iso then 
[01:14] <holstein> didnt think about it
[01:15] <ScottL> i'll try the 32bit ubuntustudio install later tonight, see what happens
[01:16] <ScottL> i suppose i could try vanilla ubuntu and then work on the ubuntustudio-settings package to test build it for the unity vs gnome-session issue
[03:43] <ailo> ScottL: Aren't there other outdated packages as well?
[03:45] <ailo> The pavudevchooser, for instance.
[03:45] <ailo> padevchooser, I mean
[03:48] <ailo> I also noticed hal is a dependency, is it needed for something?
[03:53] <ScottL> ailo, i don't really know, but you can file a bug report against it pointing out that dependency
[15:05] <scott-work> holstein:  i wonder if an email to the jack-devel mailing list would be helpful for the firewire bug you reported
[15:38] <holstein> scott-work: jack or ffado?
[15:38] <holstein> nah, JACK...
[15:54] <scott-work> holstein:  i imagine this has to do with permission for jack start correct? 
[15:54]  * scott-work doesn't really know because he doesn't have a firewire device
[15:55] <holstein> its all kinda over my head still
[15:55] <holstein> i can test things though
[15:55] <holstein> and ailo and i are discussing it and looking things up here and there
[16:06] <ailo> holstein: we are talking about firewire on 10.10, right?
[16:07] <holstein> ailo: suer
[16:07] <holstein> sure*
[16:08] <holstein> we've been talking about 11.04 too though
[16:08] <holstein> i still havent installed the RT kernel and tested yet
[16:08] <ailo> It seems firewire won't start on either 10.10 and 11.04 without aboganis kernel, right?
[16:08] <holstein> ailo: thats the theory
[16:08] <holstein> im not going to change anything else
[16:09] <holstein> just get that kernel, boot and run sudo qjackctl
[16:09] <holstein> so that should be the only changing variable
[16:10] <holstein> im doing a talk tomorrow at my LUG
[16:10] <holstein> about linux audio
[16:10] <holstein> the laptop i wanted to use has a power issue
[16:10] <holstein> all kinds of noise in whatever interface i try and use with it
[16:10] <holstein> while its plugged in
[16:10] <holstein> and the battery will only last a few seconds ;)
[16:10] <ailo> Yeah, I recognize that
[16:11] <holstein> the other notebook i have has a VIA chip
[16:11] <holstein> and i cant get the VGA to work
[16:11] <holstein> and i need to send to a projector
[16:11] <holstein> maybe i'll just show it on the screen
[16:12] <holstein> and tell whoever is interested they can come over and see it in action if they want
[16:12] <holstein> i dont know how much noise i can make there anyways
[16:12] <ailo> Is the noise really that high from the power?
[16:12] <holstein> its ridiculous
[16:12] <holstein> ive never heard such noise
[16:13] <holstein> something is wrong
[16:13] <ailo> I had some when trying to record on a laptop. Must be some earth, thing.
[16:13] <holstein> it was a donated computer
[16:13] <holstein> traded for work
[16:13] <holstein> who knows
[16:13] <holstein> and its not so nice that i want to go buy a battery and/or power supply 
[16:14] <ailo> Maybe a gate after the soundcard?
[16:15] <ailo> And play only real loud music, so the hum is not heard.
[16:15] <holstein> yeah, and ive had that noise before
[16:15] <holstein> this is that only like 20 times worse
[16:15] <holstein> its strange and electrical somehow
[16:16] <holstein> turning the volume down on the amp or speakers has no affect
[16:16] <holstein> effect*
[16:16] <ailo> Well, I think you should try maximizing the sound from your laptop and minimizing on speakers.
[16:17] <holstein> you can hear loud pops with the mouse
[16:17] <holstein> and when keys are pressed
[16:17] <holstein> ailo: i know
[16:17] <holstein> but this is USB, firewire
[16:17] <holstein> whatever
[16:17] <holstein> and with the volume literally all the way off
[16:17] <holstein> on the amp
[16:18] <holstein> its getting passed through somehow
[16:18] <holstein> the volume doesnt change the volume of the noise at all
[16:18] <ailo> It's pretty common to get noise, from usb disks, from the screen...
[16:18] <holstein> usually i can get in's pretty clean via firewire
[16:18] <holstein> and that could still be the case
[16:19] <holstein> i havent tried that
[16:19] <holstein> the out is what i need tomorrow
[16:19] <ailo> Good luck. Sounds like a nightmare.
[16:19] <holstein> eh
[16:20] <holstein> could be worse
[16:20] <holstein> at least i have options
[16:20] <holstein> i can always carry the studio box down there
[16:20] <holstein> i was just expecting it to be easy
[16:21] <holstein> thats what i get for having expectations
[16:51] <scott-work> i have heard that some laptops suffer from ground looping when plugging into an electrical outlet
[16:51] <scott-work> the best thing is to run off of battery to avoid it was the advice
[16:51] <holstein> i should price one
[16:52] <holstein> before i give up on this one
[16:54] <scott-work> eviljames is WAYYY out there on #osmp
[16:55] <holstein> seems commited to his philosphy
[16:55] <scott-work> i just wanted to point out that i found the disparity between the public outrage/media covered on assange/wikileaks and those that broke laws to steal secret documents a little extreme
[16:56] <scott-work> and he's frothing about cheney getting people killed and the government is evilllll!!!!111ONEONETWO
[16:56] <holstein> in theory, our system is set up where a guy like eviljames should be able to run for some office
[16:56] <holstein> and change something
[16:56] <holstein> OR influence
[16:56] <holstein> nothing illegal about that
[16:56] <scott-work> OR get on an IRC channel as go bat shit crazy
[16:56] <holstein> hehe
[16:57] <scott-work> lol...i probably shouldn't have typed that
[16:57] <holstein> eh, its the -dev channel
[16:57] <holstein> we're all adults here
[16:57] <holstein> its not a regular occurance