[00:04] Anyone there? === user is now known as zonk324 [00:15] ayy [00:15] is kubuntu mav heaps brighter than win 7 or is that just me? [00:16] poyntz: i wouldent have said so.... [00:18] James147: is there anyway to make the white in ff and chrome and oo word less bright? [00:18] poyntz: on a laptop? [00:19] James147: yep [00:19] poyntz: then turn down the back light (click on the battery widget) [00:27] is medibuntu up for natty? [00:52] top stuff on linux-image-2.6.35-24 ! my distro now acts like its on 64-bit =D [00:54] can anyone help me get omaque working? [01:02] pls explain this to me ~ http://pastebin.com/W4t2duc8 === compaqmunon is now known as jmpr === ubuntu is now known as blarf === blarf is now known as qwerty === qwerty is now known as adambertil [01:30] my ubuntu not be riding my stick alone, I need to manually mount === 13WAAZIX9 is now known as BajK_ [02:00] help! every once in awhile while i'm working in an application: firefox, kate, terminal, etc. KDE will what appears to re-initiate my login causing me to lose everything. Is this a known issue? [02:01] rtdos: not seen it do that before :s ... could you see if it happens with a new user? === compaqmunon is now known as jmper [02:23] i'll try a new account and keep you posted. [02:29] why dont they put "Midnight Commander" in "kubuntu live CD" ? [02:30] here is my xsession-errors log, james147: http://pastebin.com/LQXxKqRQ [02:33] james, here is my log from /var/log/X.0.log - http://pastebin.com/GJuXS6ch [02:34] elkng: my guess is space... [02:34] and most people dont need it [02:39] kde is alot better than it used to be [02:40] lazarus_: when was `use to be`? :) [02:44] James147: for space issues they could remove... X or KDE but not mc [02:45] elkng: ^^ then maby you want a different distrabution [02:45] elkng: did you typo "#slackware" as "#kubuntu"? [02:45] we're the nice fluffy GUI lot === julio_ is now known as BornToBeFree [02:53] here is the OLD log James147 - http://pastebin.com/LcrYN4yv [02:54] * James147 isnt very good at finding stuff in the xorg longs :( [02:54] logs ^^ [02:54] they arnt too hard to understand [02:54] lazarus_: just never been bothered to look at or understand them [02:55] ^^ or needed to [02:55] im still not used to kubuntu [02:59] there is an nc.obenbsd, why not original netcat? [03:00] elkng: because the openbsd netcat has more features including ipv6 support, I should think [03:07] are there addtional plugins available for krunner than what is provided? [03:08] rtdos: yes try looking at http://kde-look.org/ [03:08] rtdos: http://kde-apps.org/content/search.php search for "krunner" here [03:08] Sentynel: :D [03:08] haha, nice [03:10] is there a way to do a grep search through the command line? [03:10] ....to look for krunner plugins? [03:11] rtdos: what are you trying to achieve? [03:11] rtdos: um, well, you could probably scrape the output from the search for plugin information and pipe that through grep, but, er, it's a bit impractical [03:12] i was wondering if i needed a plug into search my local directory for scripts (and execute them) [03:12] easiest way of doing that would just be to add your local directory to the path [03:13] i can get my scripts to work through the command line but not through krunner. [03:13] in .bashrc, correct sentynel? [03:13] rtdos: yeah, something like this [03:13] rtdos: ^^ thatss a bad idea [03:13] export PATH=/some/directory:$PATH [03:14] as James147 says, though, just adding your home directory isn't very sensible [03:14] how come? [03:14] it'd be better to have a separate folder containing or symlinking to things you want in the path [03:14] like a folder that contains my scripts? [03:14] rtdos: first: the krunner working directory wont change... so you wont really acomplish much... and it opens allot of potential bad things from happening... mostly you begin to forget what is being run.. [03:15] well, the working directory may not be a problem depending on what the scripts do [03:15] rtdos: what you should do is create a folder (ie ~/bin) place your scripts in there (or just a symlink to the scripts in there) then add that absalute path to ~/.bashrc [03:15] I wouldn't have thought you'd want to run working directory specific stuff in krunner [03:15] relitive paths in your PATH varible are a VERY BAD idea ^^ [03:17] so how this is what it would like like in my .bashrc file "export PATH=/bin/scripts:$PATH" ? [03:17] ^^ (add the absalute path to ~/bin to bashrc that is.. ie the line "PATH=~/bin/:$PATH" === senekis_ is now known as senekis [03:18] rtdos: ^^ come to think of it... i think ~/bin might already be in teh standard bashrc [03:18] howdy [03:18] you mean "PATH=~/bin/scripts:$PATH" ? [03:18] James147: it's not in mine, but this install dates back from 8.10 or so so it might have been added [03:18] ... if it isent then its also best to check to see if the dirstory exists as well [03:19] my own $PATH includes something like /home/sam/python/bin [03:19] i just created the directory scripts under ~/bin [03:19] rtdos: yes, if thats where your scripts are (although, generally people put the scripts directly in the bin folder... or symlinks there from a script folder) [03:20] (that way I can back up my scripts by just copying the folder) [03:21] rtdos: something like this is a good idea: http://pastebin.com/PV84bF9i (added to your ~/.bashrc that is) [03:22] ok, thanks. i'll try that. [03:22] * James147 's .bashrc has gotten really long :S [03:22] James147: how long is long? [03:23] 2 lines short of 2-- [03:23] 200 [03:23] hm, that's pretty long [03:23] mine's 128 at the moment [03:23] :D but has lots of cool stuff in it [03:23] better than CMD.EXE :D [03:24] rtdos: don't even joke about that, man [03:25] ^^ though to be fair, mine is synced over about 5 computers and 3 different distros :) so has a bit of redundency in it [03:25] heh, I'm nowhere near that organised [03:25] I keep trying to use aliases I haven't got on my laptop and stuff [03:26] Sentynel: :) yeah, i use to do that... and thats why i now sync it over dropbox ... its nice having one change echo through my computers [03:27] http://pastebin.com/gFVJBqmj ^^ thats what mine looks like atm [03:27] ^^ still need to find a better way to see if a program is installed :S [03:29] checking for output from which is what I'd do [03:30] Sentynel: atm I just throw the output away and see if it return successfully... but along the same lines :) [03:30] yeah [03:30] just feels a bit hackish :) [03:30] I can't think of anything neater that can reliably be assumed to be present on $DISTRO [03:31] where can I type in address of my dns server? there is no /etc/resolv.conf [03:32] elkng: then create one ^^ note that dhclient will overwrite that file though if you use it (at least I think it dose) [03:32] James147: thanks [03:33] funny thing is, i understand .bashrc better than autorun.bat/config.sys :) [03:33] thanks james [03:33] thanks sentynel [03:34] rtdos: thats because bashrc is written in bash... and bash isent designed to be stupidly hard to understand... most of the time ;) [03:34] hehe, 'most' of the time. :) [03:35] rtdos: :) yeah lines like: PS1="${EMK}${UC}\u${EMK}@${UC}\h ${EMB}\${NEW_PWD}${EMK}${UC}\\$ ${NONE}" take a while to understand :) [03:39] James147: I'd have expected there to be a way to make, say, if [ -f aptitude ] $PATH aware, but there doesn't appear to be, which leaves which === ashok is now known as ashok_ === ashok_ is now known as ashok [04:15] hi [04:45] #kubuntu-es === maximo is now known as Maximo [05:45] how do i remove activities from the activities panel? [05:46] rtdos: click teh stop button (a square) then click the x [05:50] done. i had over a dozen. i wonder if that was what was causing my xserver to crash earlier? [06:07] hey James147 [06:07] hey ecinx [06:07] i've been all over the place with this stuff [06:09] my kile isn't working properly, the code complete part of it [06:09] i've tried a lot of programs and they all have their pros, but I can't find a unified solution of the features [06:10] I like the snippet thing in gedit [06:10] some stuff from texclipse, and kile. I think if i knew how to edit the plugin in texclipse i would be golden [06:11] James147: how do I install kile 2.1b5? from synaptic i only get b4 [06:13] * James147 shrugs... he dosent use kile anymore... but thinks that you may need to compile it from source if it isent in the repos [06:13] ^^ you could see if its in the beta or backports repo... but if it isent then you might need to build it from source [06:14] * James147 has found kubuntu (and well any release based os) to be lacking if you want to balance on the bleeding edge for most of the software you use... finds the rolling release model better for that... [06:23] James147: how do i check that? [06:23] ecinx: do you have either the backports or beta repo enabled> [06:24] i don't know what that is ill check [06:24] ecinx: which verion of kde are you on? [06:24] 4.6 rc 1 [06:25] you'll have beta [06:25] and you'll get rc2 if you update/upgrade [06:25] it's out [06:25] yup :) [06:25] * valorie is on rc2 now [06:26] ecinx: ^^ which means that if kile isent b5 after you upgrade then its unlily to be in the beta repo and you might have to compile from source if you want it :) [06:26] how do i upgrade? [06:27] this is the kde version that came when i installed k desktop two days ago [06:27] ecinx: then you must of had the beta repo enabled from before you have kde [06:28] ecinx: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" or run kpackagekit [06:28] valorie: ^^ any problems with the upgrade as of yet? [06:28] nope [06:28] kpackagekit doesnt work in rc1 [06:29] oh well, kpackagekit is crashy [06:29] but I haven't tried again [06:29] only reason i even considered upgrading but i forgot about it [06:29] let's see [06:29] valorie: if you got to systems setting sand go to programs you can access it [06:29] but you can't install anythign since it doesn't ask for a password [06:29] I took the opportunity to install muon [06:29] I've got apt [06:30] that's fine [06:30] ecinx: then run: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" :) [06:30] I mostly used kpk for search [06:30] in the terminal or alt f2? [06:30] valorie: yeah, i find it much quicker to use apt-get or aptitude :0 [06:31] valorie: , hell... i oly really use kpackagekit to remove repos if i nede to :) [06:31] ecinx: any terminal should do [06:31] I've found it useful in all kinds of ways, but muon will do [06:31] as a backup [06:31] until it stops crashing, which it still is [06:32] since you don't use kile what do you use? [06:32] ecinx: mostly vim :) [06:32] (+makefiles :D ) [06:33] sweet [06:34] Do i need to restart? [06:34] ecinx: did you get a new kernel? [06:34] no [06:34] ecinx: then no :) [06:35] ecinx: i would restart kdm though (logout, it should be on of the options on the login screen) [06:35] so how do i see if my KDE updated? [06:35] okays brb [06:35] ecinx: then logback in and in any kde program > help > about kde [06:41] same ol rc1 [06:42] I wouldn't be sure about that [06:43] check the Help > About KDE in any KDE app [06:43] that's what i did [06:43] Platform Version 4.5.95 (4.6 RC2) from Konversation [06:43] ecinx: try running the command again (just to make sure) "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" [06:43] wait [06:44] this only works for kubuntu? [06:44] ecinx: what are you in atm? [06:44] well, do you have KDE installed? [06:44] ubuntu [06:44] you are upgrading KDE [06:44] valorie: yes [06:44] so it will only affect KDE apps [06:44] ecinx: kubuntu and ubuntu share the same repos, so the command should upgrade both (given they ahve the beta repos and kde installed) [06:45] quassel being one of those [06:45] i got kde from kubuntudesktop [06:46] ecinx: then you have kubuntu (effectivly) === max is now known as Guest42462 [06:46] nice :) [06:47] initially i tried to install it straight up, kubuntu that is , but I forgot what the problem was but it didn't work right [06:47] ecinx: i suggest trying the command again (if it dosne t upgrade anything then you can try chaning your mirror... or waiting ffor your mirror to sync) [06:47] Hi, i would like tu ask you, if you have some experience witch installing Kubuntu Mobile ARM to HTC Dream? [06:48] the star in synaptic means there's an upgrade for it? [06:48] * James147 dosnt use synaptic so wouldnt know [06:49] I think so because they are the only ones that give me an optoin to upgrade when i right click them [06:50] ecinx: possibally ^^ the command i gave you above, however, will upgrade all youur packages to their latest version [06:50] hmm [06:50] lets try again [06:51] i probalby broke something [06:51] it didn't upgrade anyting [06:52] ecinx: it could be that your mirror is not synced yet [06:53] ecinx: if in doupt, you could reboot to make sure you on the lastest verion (although I dont think it will do much)... or change your mirror and try again or wait a day or so and try again [06:57] big download [06:57] yup, you will be needing to down loads the entire kde [06:57] 153 files [06:58] it says 2 min remaining so it's not too bad [07:00] James147: I'm going to try vim [07:01] when this thing finishes [07:01] kde desktop kde netbook,, where's kde tablet? [07:01] ecinx: :D i suggest you start with vimtutor (and install the "vim" package, if you havent already) [07:02] i was reading the emacs tutor [07:02] put me to sleep [07:02] ecinx: that would be the netbook one :) [07:02] but my netbook has an intel i7 vpro [07:03] ^^ [07:03] it's heavy though [07:03] like 4 pounds [07:03] or 5 [07:04] I have a toshiba 13" that's under 4 lbs [07:04] ^^ dosent sound like a netbook, more like a fullon laptop [07:05] lol, i kknow is a laptop [07:05] just that KDE says netbook [07:05] no cddrive though [07:05] bah, you dont need a cddrive... havnt used one of them in years [07:05] I know [07:06] i dont know why people tell me to get a usb cd [07:06] optical is dead [07:06] my blurays look cute in their little blue cases [07:06] but they are relics [07:08] netflix :) brb it says i have rc1 still [07:09] there we go [07:09] bugs [07:10] bugs? [07:10] yes [07:10] how do i screen shot the whole screen? [07:10] ecinx: "print screen" button... or launch ksnapshot manually [07:11] chucks no send to pastebin option === shawn is now known as Montanabeliever [07:15] http://imagebin.org/131586 [07:16] the panel? [07:16] umm.. try clocing and reopening plasma-desktop "kquitapp plasma-desktop && sleep 2 && plasma-desktop [07:17] if that dosent fix it you can try a new user or reset plasma to its default settings (by renaming/moving/deleting ~/.kde/share/config/plasma*) [07:18] i had similar problems b4 [07:18] but not to this extent [07:18] and it got fixed with a hover befor [07:18] e [07:19] looks nice now [07:19] thank you [07:19] ecinx: ^^ which suggestion worked? [07:19] valid. This cache is likely corrupt. [07:19] plasma-desktop(21236)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Trying to remove an entry which is already invalid. This cache is likely corrupt. [07:19] plasma-desktop(21236)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Trying to remove an entry which is already invalid. This cache is likely corrupt. [07:19] is that bad? [07:19] the command you gave me kquite [07:20] ecinx: dosent sound good... thats for sure [07:20] It's not done yet thoug [07:20] you can try removing the caches in [07:20] ~/.kde/... [07:20] the terminal that is [07:20] or clearing out /tmp [07:22] i have to wait till this is done [07:22] let me see if this new kde fixed kile [07:22] ecinx: plasma-desktop wont return till its closed... ctrl+c to kill it [07:22] it is up htough [07:22] (best to run plasma-desktop from krunner if you dont care about its output) [07:22] just the terminal window isn't done [07:23] ecinx: plasma-desktop dosent background its self, the terminal will return to a prompt once plasma-desktop has ended [07:24] ok [07:24] it keeps doing stuff [07:25] after i ctrl -c [07:25] ecinx: press enter a few times [07:25] ^^ or you can just open another terminal :) [07:25] ok, it shut up now [07:27] I don't see vim qt :( [07:30] ecinx: there isent one [07:30] that sucks [07:31] so which do i get? vim or vim gtk [07:31] ecinx: i tend to install the vim-gtk package (although i wish it dident come with the gtk part :( ) to get access to the vim compiled with system clipboard and client server support :) [07:32] ecinx: (vim-gtk will install both gvim and vim... but the vim in vim-gtk has more compiled in optioned then the one in vim... well... not that many more, but the xterm-clipboard is a very importnat one to me :D ) [07:32] okay:) [07:33] other then that you can install either, it shouldnt make much difference, espically if your just starting [07:33] i don't care about all that going up donw left right stuff [07:34] i know it has it's uses for some people [07:34] but at least for now, i don't really need it that's why the emacs tutorial put me to sleep [07:35] ecinx: you can skim over the easer parts if you want [07:36] but vim does take a while to learn... and a little dedications :) but pays off in the end [07:36] what's cream? [07:36] cream? [07:36] cream for vim [07:36] no clue [07:37] just use kate [07:37] I'm on [07:37] much simpler [07:37] :-) [07:38] valorie: but vim is sooo much more powerful :D [07:38] for TeXing [07:38] pays off in the end if you want to be known as a GEEK [07:38] lol [07:38] :-) [07:38] valorie: whats wrong with that :D [07:38] nothing, I wear the geek shirts [07:38] i want to be known as he's wearing armani [07:39] but am a bit too dim to use vim, OR emacs [07:39] valorie: bah, its not that hard once you get use to it :) [07:39] you code in kate valorie? [07:39] ummm..... html? [07:40] yes, that's code [07:40] lol [07:40] that's close [07:40] I'm not a coder, for sure [07:40] teX is markup too [07:40] yup [07:40] I don't know that stuff [07:40] okay here's what i want [07:40] i type brace and {} [07:40] but I'm about to learn docbook, I guess [07:40] magically appear [07:41] {} is pretty easy to type [07:41] 2 chars instead of 5? [07:41] If you are good in TeX im pretty sure you can do HTML in it [07:41] 5 is faster than 2 for me [07:41] ok [07:42] a better example is [07:42] the only time I type fast is in IRC [07:42] or my blog, or something === Cibortcin is now known as Cibort [07:42] frac [07:42] and \frac{}{} comes out [07:42] lol [07:42] you know how to use that [07:42] I don' [07:42] t [07:42] ecinx: to do that in vim type in normal mode :imap brace {} then hit enter :) [07:43] then when you type brace, it will be replaced with {} [07:44] or integrali -- > \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}{placecursor here}dt [07:45] valorie: you seeit's value? [07:45] it took me forever to type that [07:45] well, it makes me glad not to be a coder [07:45] it's like learning magic [07:45] lol [07:45] it's not coding [07:45] a lot of energy goes into it [07:46] TeX is a replacement for MS word [07:46] I know what TeX is but didn't know it looked like THAT [07:46] lordy [07:46] I'm not learning that [07:46] lol [07:46] that's just math stuff [07:46] wordstar was bad enough [07:46] w/o the mathstuff it's pretty nice [07:47] and I had a lot more brainpower back then [07:47] the way it sets everything up for you [07:47] you don't worry about margins and all that crap [07:47] I can see the value [07:47] I just don't wanna do it [07:47] it's especially good for books [07:48] \chapter{The Sea} [07:48] I would pay someone to do the markup [07:48] blah blah .. [07:48] \chapter{The Sky} [07:48] but I'm afraid docbook is much the same, and I'm bound to learn that, so..... [07:48] when you compile it will be in bold Chapter 1, and under it The Sea [07:48] right [07:49] I need tex shortcuts to type math faster [07:49] ecinx: btw... in vim you can do the "integrali" thing by tpying in normal mode :imap integrali \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}{}dt2hi then it will do what you want :) [07:49] to the point that i don't need to write down anything in class and can just type the math [07:50] how do you go to normal mode? [07:51] ecinx: (escape) will put you in normal mode [07:51] (note the : at the start is important) [07:52] ah i see [07:53] what do o do to be inside a brace? [07:53] ecinx: imap lets you create maps for insert mode ^^ in this case the key sequence "integrali" will be maped to the other part ^^ the 2hi at the end moves the courser back to between the bracers and enters insert mode again [07:53] i like how easy i caon do the imaps [07:53] ecinx: ^^ that above command will do that [07:55] I don't need the dt part [07:55] i can just type that [07:55] ecinx: :) then remove the dt and probally the 2h as well [07:56] :imap integrali \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}{}i [07:56] like that? [07:56] ecinx: yeah [07:57] that feels so weird [07:57] it doesn't type the word out [07:58] ecinx: no.. thats the one problem... it will however place the word in if you cont complete it [07:58] ecinx: a better way would be to prefix it with a \ or , [07:58] comma owns [07:58] i've never seen ,a word start like this [07:58] ecinx: yeah, thats why its good for imaps [07:59] ecinx: you might want to join #vim as well :) might be a better place for vim support then here :) [07:59] ecinx: but you can see why its worth learning? [08:00] yeah [08:00] I'm not even throwing peanuts from the sidelines! [08:00] lol [08:00] lol [08:00] you should see texclipse [08:00] it's pretty nice [08:00] i just don't know how to edit their plugin, otherwise i would make it bettery suited for math [08:01] :) [08:01] lyx is kind of like the math standard, probably that's why all other tex editors are general latex not math [08:02] * James147 notes that if you add those commands to ~/.vimrc (without the : at the start) then they are setup when you launch vim [08:04] how do you open it? [08:04] ecinx: ~/.vimrc? with a text editor (like vim :D ) (ie vim ~/.vimrc) [08:05] (create it if there isent one) [08:07] :syn on [08:07] like that? [08:09] ecinx: http://pastebin.com/3nFCtWVG << my vimrc, you might find it useful [08:10] you use latexsuite? [08:10] i heard that was bad [08:11]