[00:05] ok if anyone is still here, should my partition look like this on my XP: http://imagebin.org/131521 that is what my laptop partition looks like. im refering to the extended partition and the two other partitions within it. should i just set up the same kind of thing on my XP? [00:10] Red-Raven, not sure what you are trying to do, but a disk device is limited to 4 Primary Partitions. [00:10] ok you know what? F this. ive been relying on you guys to help me this whole time. its time i learned something on my own for once. if i break it, ill fix it like i already did once. and thats how you learn best. by fixing it. (no offence to you guys; you've helped me out so much. just thought id try it on my own for once.) [00:11] an Extended Partition can hold many Logical Partitions (so you aren't held down by the sore limited) [00:11] *limitation =) [00:12] yah IK :) *jumps* [00:12] Red-Raven, well... some things can't be talk [00:12] BAH [00:12] *taught [00:12] my spelling is terrible today [00:13] mine is everyday. [00:13] this can be, but i choose to get some experience out of it. [00:16] ....*facepalm* first thing im doing is getting anew environment with a SMALL footprint.....the XP is slow as crap....... [00:16] Red-Raven, new to the scene I take it? [00:17] semi. got ubuntu about two weeks ago now. putting it on a run-down XP machine. it will be my guinea pig machine. [00:18] ok, reading on the backlog [00:18] http://imagebin.org/131519 <-- that looks fine to me as a basic setup [00:19] just fill the extended partition hole with logical partitions and off you go. [00:19] Red-Raven: sorry for being sensitive last night :/ your "the point being" felt ...rude :( sorry for the mis-read [00:19] As a rule of thumb, 20GB is more than enough for Ubuntu [00:20] awesome. im basing everything i do here off that. [00:20] and depending of amount of RAM on your system: [00:20] don't sweat it cheri703. its cool. [00:20] < 1GB : create 1.5x size swap [00:20] wow...didn't mean to sound like a surfer due there.... [00:20] due* [00:21] ugh! dude* [00:21] 2GB : 2GB swap [00:21] i have 512 MB RAM. so 512 swap? [00:22] Red-Raven, I'd say 768-1GB [00:22] 512 * 1.5 = 768 [00:22] I think my desktop may have bitten the dust :( (not the dual-boot) [00:22] Red-Raven, swap == The Linux equiv. of pagefile [00:22] ok cool. there a way to double check total RAM from ubuntu? [00:23] *oh noes* [00:23] it's there as a safety buffer when you've ran out of RAM. [00:23] ok cool. [00:23] Red-Raven, free -m [00:24] oh right thx. [00:24] or ... for mere mortals [00:24] System -> Admin -> System Monitor [00:25] ok cool total is 494. how am i running ubuntu without the minimun RAM/ [00:25] sorry brb. dinner. [00:26] I have a vaio laptop with an integrated touchpad that is not responding, ubuntu version is 10.04 [00:28] it is an EB vaio and runs windows 7 OS as well, any suggestions? [00:39] Might be closed-source drivers, phoenix5 [00:39] (nUboon2Age on site with phoenix5 - but i don't have a clue on this question.) Do any of y'all have an idea on this unresponsive Vaio touchpad w/ 10.04? phillw, pedro3005, paultag, jussi, jledbetter, holstein, IdleOne, ikonia, geirha, [00:41] phoenix5: please do not ping everyone.... If people know the answer they will answer you. [00:42] hey phoenix5 [00:42] yes [00:43] hello [00:43] hello [00:43] touchpad never worked? [00:43] in buntu? [00:43] no [00:43] hmmm [00:43] the integrated mousepad in the laptop* [00:44] external mouse works? [00:45] phoenix5: open up a terminal [00:45] and type [00:45] never tried an external mouse [00:45] xinput list [00:45] copy that [00:45] thought it would work with the internal [00:45] and paste it to pastebin [00:46] http://paste.ubuntu.com/ [00:46] what is the xinput list [00:47] http://paste.ubuntu.com/551664/ [00:47] thats the output for me [00:47] if you would like to see it [00:47] do you have an external mouse? [00:48] yes [00:48] so you'll be able to navigate the desktop then [00:49] i dont have the laptop with me right now [00:49] but when i get to it [00:50] lol [00:50] we'll need that to diagnose the issue [00:50] you can google [00:50] plain text [00:50] ubuntu 10.04 sony whatever model # mouse dont work [00:50] see if you find anything [00:51] OR come back here when you have the unit in front of you [00:51] and plenty of time to run commands [00:51] and be responsive [00:52] sorry [00:52] phoenix5: no worries [00:53] thanks [00:53] g2g [02:08] hey will adding more swap than necissary make any diference what-so-ever, or will it just hog memory? [02:08] doesnt really matter so much no-a-days [02:08] swap [02:08] i dont have swap on my netbook [02:08] and its never really been an issue [02:09] more than necessary shouldnt do anything besides take up HD space [02:11] I hit swap on my desktop the other day, apparently you can't run multiple vms, game, watch hdtv and browse the internet all at once even with 10gb ram :/ [02:13] head_victim: hehe [02:17] ...wow. what rig are you running 10 GB RAM on? [02:18] It's getting old now but it's a quad core 2.4 (q6600), it's my main vm/gaming/tv pc sitting to my left. [02:23] head_victim, wow. no idea how you maxed out a rig like that. course i guess you did push it pretty far. [02:23] Well I did have 2 or 3 vms with 2gb ram each running [02:27] so my miniscule RAM is a whoping 494 MB. so will 741 MB SWAP work? or should i up it a bit more? [02:29] Depends on what you're doing with it and how much hdd space you have. Either way if you have to use it it will slow down the operation. [02:30] will it slow it down more if i add extra? [02:31] Not in my experience/knowledge [02:31] Just means you'll have less space on your hdd for other things. [02:34] ok cool. its got 80 GB, 20 given to windows, and the rest for Linux. 741 MB is about .7 GB, so ill round it up to a full 1 GB.its only about .3 GB, so even if i never use it it won't make much difference. (im getting 741 MB from total RAMx1.5=good swap. my total RAM is 494) [02:36] Red-Raven: Well you can't really count it toward RAM. That's not quite how it works. [02:36] count the extra swap that goes onto the HD? IK. [02:36] i know it slows down/ [02:36] .* [02:37] Red-Raven: Well it's just not used the same way as RAM. [02:38] its not? thought the piece of SWAP that didn't fit on the RAM just went to the HD and was used as a sort of extension of the RAM? [02:39] Red-Raven: Only programs that are idle or absolutely can not fit into RAM are swapped. Swapping is *really* slow though. [02:41] oh ok. ill still give it a full 1 GB. can't hurt. [02:41] handy when we had 32 megs of ram [02:42] or less... [02:42] how long ago was that? [02:43] 15 years? [02:43] more? [02:43] lol when i was born. [02:43] (im 15) [02:44] You youngins don't know what it was like [02:44] lol. not many kids my age are learning this stuff. [02:45] Red-Raven: I started with Ubuntu when I was 13. I know the feeling ;-) [02:46] cool. kids look at my rig and their like .....what is that.....WTF IS THAT!!! [02:53] need...new...smaller...environment.... [02:54] Red-Raven: what flavour of Ubuntu are you using? [02:55] Live CD mav merkat. installing it now. [02:55] But K/X/L/Ubuntu ? [02:56] just Ubuntu. ill probably check out Lubuntu once i get this installed. [02:57] is there a ctr-alt-delete equivalent for Linux? [02:57] Ah ok I was going to say there are better ones that Ubuntu if you're using an older or slower computer. I have Ubuntu on the quad core but Lubuntu on this older machine. [02:58] control alt and backspace will restart x if that's what you mean [02:58] x? [02:59] head_victim: Not anymore [02:59] aveilleux: no? [02:59] Red-Raven: You mean Task Manager? No. [02:59] head_victim: it is disabled in 10.10 [02:59] head_victim: dontzap defaults to 1. [02:59] Oh I haven't used it in some time but nice to know it's not there anymore [02:59] then what do i do if it freezes up? [03:00] Red-Raven: You can ctrl+alt+F1 to go to a different Terminal screen, if you know how to use Terminal. Ctrl+Alt+F7 will go back to the graphical login. [03:00] Red-Raven: Though honestly, Ubuntu rarely locks up a la Windows. [03:01] thx. there a way to kill tasks from terminal? [03:01] Red-Raven: Yes. Use "ps -ef |grep programname" to find the process ID, then "kill -9 processid" to kill it [03:02] apparently on 494 MB of RAM it does. [03:03] wtf...where is that horizantal line.... [03:04] NVM found it. [03:05] ok whats the process ID here? [03:06] Red-Raven: what? [03:08] what #s or letters are the process id when i do ps -ef? [03:08] Red-Raven: ps -ef |grep name-of-program-no-caps [03:09] like [03:09] yah] [03:09] ps -ef |grep xchat [03:09] and the first number is the process IC [03:09] ID* [03:09] ok thx. [03:13] ugh. still frozen. might just reboot in a sec. [03:13] Red-Raven: you can use the top command to see what's taking all your RAM. [03:14] ok now x-window wont even open.... [03:14] im just going to reboot this thing. [03:20] wow.....why does it seem like its gettting slower> [03:20] ?* [03:22] If you are installing on older systems it can appear to "hang" for quite some time [03:23] it does. will a smaller environment really help? [03:24] I nearly threw out a 2.4 celeron because it was annoyingly slow but then I found Lubuntu and still using it [03:24] lol same except XP. [03:26] ok before i finalize these partitions, is there anything cool experimentation-wise you suggest i try out with them? [03:27] All I ever do with them is create a separate /home to make it easier to upgrade but that's just my preference [03:27] oh is that the ext 4? [03:28] It's adding another ext5 [03:28] ext4* [03:29] ok. on my laptop i only have one ext 4 and its mounted to the /. [03:30] Yeah you can make that smaller and add the extra space to be a /home but if you don't have lots of space and you're just testing it's not essential to have a separate /hoem [03:31] how does it make it easier to upgrade? [03:31] It keeps all your program settings and documents [03:31] When reinstalling, upgrading will still be find [03:31] fine* sorry, having a bad typo day [03:32] so you don't have to move them all to a pin drive when you're upgrading to for example 10.04 when it officially releases? [03:33] If you upgrade they will all stay, if you ever need to reinstall you'll need to backup first. [03:34] ok cool. so what size should i make each one? [03:34] A separate home is overrated, you shold have that stauff backed up anyway [03:34] *stuff [03:35] nit-wit: each to their own :) I agree for a lot of people it's not required [03:35] um, ok. the individual files or the whole system on an external HD? [03:36] Red-Raven, I change OS's often I just keep the media backed up. Linux installs so fast and once you know what you need you can set up pretty quickly [03:36] ok then. ill set up that once im done.d [03:37] head_victim, I just see it pushed on new users who may not even remember how it was done and are just confused by it. [03:37] so im creating the ext 4 in Gparted for the insstall, but i don't see where to mount it to /. [03:38] nit-wit: fair call, he was asking for "cool experimental-wise suggestions" and that's all I had sorry [03:39] also, is it bad that im using Gperted to set up the partitions and not the custom install? [03:39] BRB. bathroom. [03:39] Can do it either way as long as you know what you're doing [03:41] If it's your first ever install like nit-wit said you're probably best off just doing a basic, normal installation first. [03:45] its my second. [03:45] Ok, well I am starting to run late for work so I have to head off and get ready. [03:45] so because i've set it up in Gparted already, i can just hit install side-by-side? [03:46] oh ok go ahead. [03:46] sorry to keep you like that. [03:46] I'm sure there are others in here who can continue to help and if you're not sure about things I'd suggest asking around in here, ont he forum or having a quick look in google (I spent HOURS reading stuff in google when I started ;) ) [03:47] ok thx! cya. [03:47] Good luck, see you later. [03:48] same to you. [04:59] Hello everyone [04:59] I need some help with a Geom Error if anyone is familiar with it [05:04] hello? [05:04] hey Dangr_ [05:04] i guess, go ahead and clarify "it" a bit more [05:05] and if someone knows something, im sure they will shout something out :) [05:05] awesome :) [05:06] Well I am still learning Linux but I'm confused by this. I have installed Ubuntu 64 bit (tried 32 as well and get the same screen) and upon restarting and ejecting the live CD I get a screen that reads "Geom Error Reboot and Select proper Boot device or Insert Boot Media in selected Boot device and press a key" [05:07] I looked at a lot of forums and most people seem to think its a BIOs issue but I'm still not clear on what to do in order to fix this. [05:07] Oh I should mention the drive is not partitioned, Ubuntu is the only OS [05:07] well, its partitioned :) [05:08] you mean, no ntfs partitions [05:08] Haha I know but I meant partitioned as in sharing another OS [05:08] yes, my bad [05:08] Dangr_: i would probably run a test on the hard drive [05:08] just to be sure [05:08] Any suggestions on what to use [05:08] i use http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ [05:09] lots of vendor tools there [05:09] there is a disk diagnostic tool in ubuntu [05:09] that you can use from the live CD [05:09] but there are some great tool on that disc [05:09] vendor specific some of them [05:09] Very cool! Thanks - I'm going to give this a try so I'll be back in a bit [05:10] and, where you are, you can really run some of the destructive test right now [05:10] and be sure its rockin and rollin [05:10] then go from there [05:10] Dangr_: could be a bios issue though [05:10] Hmm... I'm not familiar with destructive test. What is that? [05:10] that does sound plausible [05:10] Dangr_: well, im just saying, if there is a test that writes zeros [05:10] and you want to do that [05:10] you can [05:11] because you dont have anything important on there yet [05:11] Right right [05:11] Dangr_: you've poked around in the bios? [05:12] Dangr_: this is the only HD in the machine right? [05:12] Yeah and it had the same error [05:13] Dangr_: did you try loading default values? [05:13] reseting the bios or whatever its called on that machine [05:14] But I have to admit I come from a Mac background so I'm not terribly familiar with the BIOS. I did figure how to reset it though [05:14] i think its plausible that the machine either isnt booting that drive [05:14] OR when it tries to boot that drive [05:14] the boot sector is bad or something [05:14] that error message does make me think bios though [05:15] If it was the bios what should I be looking for? [05:15] there all so different [05:15] its hard to just give a definitive way to do it [05:15] something in the boot order [05:16] boot sequence sometimes [05:16] Hmmm... [05:16] boot settings whatever that is [05:16] not sure what else would be there without looking [05:16] Dangr_: what model comp you got there? [05:17] I built it about three months ago. Its an Intel i5 - Asus p7p55d motherboard - Nvidia Graphics [05:19] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1568558 [05:19] theres another one ;) [05:20] haha yeah that looks familiar [05:21] im sure its just something stupid and fiddly [05:21] and frustrating ;) [05:21] Me too - haha yeah it definitely is. I'm on day 3 now :P [05:21] i dont see anthing obvious, but camp out long as you can here [05:21] someone might come along [05:22] id rule out the HD error thoughh [05:22] if you can [05:22] i usually have so many random part laying around [05:22] i would just try a different HD [05:22] or that HD in another machine [05:22] and help narrow down the variables a bit [05:22] anyways.. good luck :) [05:23] Thanks for all your help! [05:23] if you're new to linux... [05:23] I appreciate it [05:23] you can usually just take that install to another machine [05:23] and boot it [05:23] *usually [05:23] almost always [05:23] if that helps [05:23] hmm true [05:24] I'm going to take your advice and just start knocking things off the list, like ruling out the hd [05:35] hi ppl [05:36] any thinkpad fans here? I'm trying to figure out if I should go for the T43 or the R51.... [05:37] Hello - sorry not terribly familiar with Thinkpads :P [07:05] Hi guys. [07:06] I am facing some problem lately while configuring pidgin for IRC chat [07:14] hai wolfpack I'm looking to find someone who can help you :) [07:15] k hajour [07:19] I am getting this error ------"Unable to connect: Access denied: HTTP proxy server forbids port 6667 tunneling"....In my college we need to pass through proxy to connect to internetnet [07:21] wolfpack, you have tryed in #lubuntu to? [07:21] no [07:22] maybe there there is someone around now who can help you [07:22] ok [07:22] thanks [07:22] your welcome :) [08:54] So I was using TightVNC on windows to connect from ubuntu, but it keeps freezing up, and cuts out. I have RealVNC installed on windows, but I can't connect to it from ubuntu. Any thoughts? [09:00] are we on? [09:00] Hmm... guess so === ts_ is now known as Guest12643 [09:00] okay, guess I'm Guest12643 [09:01] anyone else here? [09:01] o/ [09:02] i am trying to set up my first ubuntu server 10.04. working well, but intalled gnome by mistake (installed gedit and gnome came with it) How can I delete gname/gendit? [09:02] er, make that gnome/gedit [09:03] uhm, sudo apt-get autoremove --purge ? [09:04] okay, do I have to specify what I'm autoremoving/purging? Sorry for being such a noob [09:05] ah, yes [09:05] I'd start with gedit and see how that goes, then try gnome after (if you reeeeally don't want gnome [09:05] ) [09:06] hey, looks like gedit is going down the drain! [09:06] thanks [09:07] just be CAREFUL with that command [09:07] it will get things GONE [09:08] OK.I'll be careful. It's still purging away on gedit... [09:08] ls [09:08] kk [09:09] OK, looks like gedit is gone and it took gnome with it. Thanks Cheri703! [09:09] sure [09:09] I'm verrrrry familiar with the "crap! I didn't want that!" feeling [09:10] I had a "oh, you're removing a dependency? I'm going to uninstall EVVVVVERYTHING" a while ago :( had to reinstall [09:11] Coming from a long career of DOS, Macs and Windows, Linux is definitely a different beast! [09:11] thanks again..... and how do I log off of this chat?? [09:12] hallo [09:12] Kan ik hier wat vragen [09:13] ? [09:16] hai che het is engels hier [09:16] so better ask in english [09:16] maar je kan het ook vragen in ubuntu-nl [09:17] als engels lastig is [09:17] che10, ^ [09:18] oke dankje [09:18] graag gedaan [09:18] ga ik dan maar eens kijken fijne dag veder [09:19] hetzelfde :) [09:20] ps waar kan ik die vinden? [09:20] klik op #ubuntu-nl [09:20] Bij channel kan ik dez niet vinden [09:20] oh dat hekje moet erbij [09:20] op bovenstaande link klikken [09:20] :) [09:20] dankjewel [09:21] hehe graag gedaan hoor [09:21] wat [09:21] is geluk kan nu van alls gaan vragen [09:22] :) [09:22] pedro3005, che10 is dutch speaking.i have told to go to ubuntu-nl if english is a problem [09:22] :) [09:22] ok mooi che10 :) [09:23] o en che10 gewoon meteen je vraag neer zetten daar [09:25] oke heb ik al gedaan [09:28]
anyone awake in here [09:29] yes [09:56]
do you know anything about arch linux [10:00] $ pacman -Syu [10:01] This is Ubuntu Beginners channel. What about Arch Linux, BR? [10:01]
yeah been their not very helpful [10:04] BR: If you're not experienced with linux, then you should stick with Ubuntu. Practices makes perfect. And when you're confident, you can move up. Otherwise, you may face issues that you overlooked in the manual. Read the book. Read the book one more time. Then ask questions. [10:05]
yeah thats just it I am fairly experiened with linux [10:05] BR: And if you want the illusions of minimalism, then you could use Ubuntu-Mini.iso -- From there, you can install gnome. Or you simply can use Ubuntu Live Desktop. It's all up to you, really. Preferences. :) [10:06]
yeah I like arch better [10:07]
just ran into some problems that I didnt have before [10:17] wow this is a bit more kumbersome than the IRC program i use at work... [10:17] jetman36: what do you use currently? [10:18] im using the freenode.net browser based client [10:19] jetman36: you could download xchat :P [10:20] does it have a windows version cause i came in here to get help with a network problem in ubuntu 32bit 10.10 [10:21] xchat has only a trial version for windows, there are other windows irc clients though - what's your network problem? [10:21] jetman36: It's probably better to fix your network problem ;) [10:21] well let me explain my story, im a us army soldier currently deployed in afghanistan, [10:22] im trying to duel boot my netbook, and ASUS Eee 1215N [10:22] the wireless we have here uses the PPPoE protocal to log onto the network [10:23] this is where im having trouble, in windows i connect to the router, windows tell me i dont have internet OR network access BUT i still get an IP address [10:24] then in windows i have to bring up the "dialup" window to log into the network to get online [10:24] im trying to set it up to work in ubuntu but it fails to connect and just quits, any ideas what setting i could change to get it to work? === genupulas is now known as assassinator [10:31] something tells me i somehow managed to find the one thing you can't set up in ubuntu, lol [10:39] hmmm, quiet, not a good sign i think... === assassinator is now known as genupulas === genupulas is now known as assassinator [10:44] anyone in here working up a little how-to or something for me, just wanting to know if my problem is being addressed [10:52] test === Dukane is now known as jetman36 [10:53] now this is the program i know, thankyou mIRC, lol [11:02] so... i guess im not gona be getting help any time soon huh? [11:11] omrning guys [11:11] morning* === yofel_ is now known as yofel [11:20] morning Bodsda [11:24] pedro3005: :) [11:32] pedro3005, hellow [11:33] guys i need sort of help i was trying to compile gyachi on my ubuntu 10.10 but i am fail. but i can well compile gyachi on ubuntu10.04 with this notes http://paste.ubuntu.com/551759/ [11:34] Can any one suggest me what i need to modified in order to compile on ubuntu10.10 [11:40] Bipul`: where does it fail? [12:38] Morning everyone. === IAmNotThatGuy is now known as M0hi === shadeslayer is now known as kshadeslayer [14:33] Hello. [14:56] Hi! I have a problem with launchpad :s [14:57] What's your problem? [15:01] sorry ;) works now, updated to 10.10 and forgot to add new ssh key :P [15:01] xD [15:02] :P [15:02] I asked too early :P [15:03] We all do that sometimes :P [15:21] Hello Everyone! [15:22] Hello. [15:22] hi :) [15:22] Hey :) [15:22] whats up? [15:23] Nm :) [15:23] gotta love /wallchan [15:26]