[00:04] AlexJ_: You'll need to use gconftool, I believe. Gnome-panel settings are stored in gconf. [00:05] AlexJ_: You can probably delete the applet from the panel using the gconf command line tool to unset the key in /apps/panel/applets [00:06] AlexJ_: http://library.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/gconf-6.html.en [00:06] anyone here use Puppy Linux? [00:06] jacobw: thank you, ill try that [00:07] hi there. is there anyone from Blackpool LUG in here [00:09] jacobw: I typed this but it appears not to have worked, gconftool --unset /apps/panel/applets [00:09] jacobw: I typed this but it appears not to have worked, gconftool-2 --unset /apps/panel/applets [00:10] I forgot the "gconftool-2" when typing the first line here [00:11] AlexJ_: applets is a directory of keys, I imagine --unset requires a specific key as an argument [00:11] oh [00:11] :s [00:21] nos da, sleep well. [01:21] how can you tell if a package is updated with the server support? [01:21] or dropped when the desktop version is no longer supported [01:22] !server [01:22] Ubuntu Server Edition is a release of Ubuntu designed especially for server environments, including a server specific !kernel and no !GUI. The install CD contains many server applications. Current !LTS version is !Lucid (Lucid Lynx 10.04) - More info: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition - Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/ - Support in #ubuntu-server [02:15] anyone else unable to sleep? -.- [02:16] :) [02:16] not actually tried :/ [02:23] now I will [02:23] nn ;) [03:25] hello there all, is there anyone about to help [03:26] need some help with wordpress please [08:24] has the uk planet stopped updating? [08:24] oops - ignore that - mistype [08:24] g'morning btw :) [08:41] Morning [08:48] morning [08:52] Morning peeps :) [08:57] Aloha [08:58] guten morgen czajkowski, wie geht's? === cps_ is now known as cps [08:59] !de [08:59] In den meisten ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuchen Sie bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Geben Sie einfach /join #ubuntu-de ein! Danke für Ihr Verständnis. [09:01] czajkowski: morning [09:09] MooDoo: ello [09:17] I know wine lets you run windows programs in linux, is there one for mac applications? [09:18] kvarley: not that i'm aware of no [09:19] MooDoo: Ok :) [09:23] http://mac-on-linux.sourceforge.net/ [09:24] looks dead though [09:25] Thanks AlanBell, I'll check it out. I suppose wine will do as nearly all the programs I'd use offer a windows client. Just was interested. :) [09:35] czajkowski: I see what you did there [09:41] morning all [09:42] don't suppose anyone in here knows much about packaging? [09:42] I'm trying to package a library of mine that has a build-depends on libboost-thread-dev, but pbuilder keeps saying this: pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: libboost-thread-dev which is a virtual package. [09:43] !info libboost-thread [09:43] Package libboost-thread does not exist in maverick [09:43] !info libboost-thread-dev [09:43] libboost-thread-dev (source: boost-defaults): portable C++ multi-threading (default version). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.42.0.1ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 2 kB, installed size 32 kB [09:44] how's folks today ? [09:45] czajkowski, confused, 4 day weeks mess me up :p [09:45] popey, I think I need to enable universe in my .pbuilderrc [09:45] heh but they are soo nice [09:45] true that [09:45] yes kazade [09:45] April has a good few 3 and 4 day weeks :D [09:45] alan@wopr:~$ cat .pbuilderrc [09:45] COMPONENTS="main restricted universe multiverse" [09:46] popey, thanks, running pbuilder create again [09:46] did I mention that packaging sucks? [09:47] :) [09:47] ironically, I can write a Windows installer on Ubuntu far FAR FAR quicker than create a native Ubuntu package [09:47] experience++ [09:51] popey, true, but Ubuntu really needs better (read "easier") packaging tools [09:52] czajkowski: i'm working the weekend [09:53] kazade: it is easy if you use quickly [09:54] AlanBell, I might take a look at that actually [09:54] been meaning too for ages [09:54] btw, where does pbuilder output the package? [10:04] ah, forgot to sign the package :/ [10:12] http://ismycreditcardstolen.com/ [10:19] popey, surely that's a con? [10:19] view source [10:20] heh, cool, apparently I'm not a stupid person :p === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:55] nice [11:09] Is there a legal way to download an XP Pro CD for a co-worker? [11:11] nperry: MSDN has ways, I believe, but you probably have to pay for a subscription. [11:11] Baahhh, I'm only being paid £30 to reinstall windows :/ [11:12] nperry: then add the cost of the OEM installation media? [11:12] Should be able to get it for less than 60 quid [11:13] http://www.codemicro.com/store/product/BP/x0848123/Refurbished is the cheapest I can see from a quick search [11:14] If you know a Microsoft employee, they can get itr 15 pounds. [11:14] *for [11:19] need to schedule the next team meeting folks [11:19] Monday good for people? [11:21] Maybe [11:22] AlanBell: yup [11:23] dwatkins: I've got the product key, not to sure if that helps [11:23] nperry: on a sticker? [11:24] 8PM or 9PM? [11:25] wuzzzzzup [11:26] AlanBell: Monday is not good for me ... but then again, I've missed a slew of those recently :( [11:26] 9pm would be good :) [11:26] 21:00 OK [11:28] dwatkins: yeah [11:28] nperry: right, so essentially the CD is lost, and you could get a 'backup' from somewhere, I guess. Not exactly legit, but I don't think MS sell replacement media. [11:29] I'd be asking around my friends to borrow the physical media (assuming the key will work with it, that is) [11:29] I'm not to sure if its legal to torrent then use the product key :/ [11:30] nperry: I imagine their licensing system wouldn't know the difference. [11:30] Ultimately, you have a sticker, which constitutes the licenes. [11:30] * AlanBell notes the location of ##windows [11:30] Yeah AlanBell there all douches :/ [11:30] AlanBell: indeed, but have you ever tried joining the channel? ;) [11:30] as nperry says [11:30] really? [11:31] I joined ages and ages ago for a bit, didn't seem that bad [11:31] The trolls must have been in bed. [11:31] not as friendly as the ubuntu channels, but not extreme [11:34] How good are the memory tests in HP's bios.. [11:35] Says there is no issues, but this doesn't allow booting from USB [11:35] So can't run memtest :< [11:35] what will it boot from? [11:36] win! my dad's just texted me to say he's bringing round his laptop - "can I install that nobuntu-thingy on it because all windows gives me is errors and your Mum's laptop runs fine" (her laptop is on 10.04 btw) [11:38] CD AlanBell but don't have any spare cds at work to burn it onto [11:38] danfish =) dadbuntu [11:40] danfish Yorvyk how about 20:30? [11:41] AlanBell: fine by me [11:42] kvarley: good idea - the key function I'll need to build in is asking the same question again and again, and a werther's original theme ;) [11:46] danfish hehe [11:52] grr, I don't get this. lintian is complaining about .bzr directories - yet I'm passing the -i parameter to dpkg-buildpackage it's just not ignoring them as it should :( [11:52] is there an irc channel for packaging issues? [11:52] AlanBell: OK [12:01] is there any way to get gparted to abort its sequence of operations between operations? [12:02] i didn't realize it would copy all my fiddling around adjusting to different sizes [12:03] KrimZon: probably not a good idea to interupt gparted [12:03] pain may follow [12:04] struggling here - found a game called Red Orchestra, it's a mod for unreal tournament 2004 so does that mean I can play it on linux? The have released Red Orchestra 2 Heroes of Stalingrad, is that still based on unreal tournament? [12:05] oh well, doesn't look like it'll take unbearably long [12:07] looks like it would've been quicker to delete the data partitions and resize the OS partition, then copy the data back [12:08] except, even though the data is recoverable it's not an exact backup of what's on disk at the moment, so it'd cause a lot of fiddling about to restore it if i stop gparted [12:12] and it'll be interesting to see what happens to the ntfs junctions [12:14] can someone post me the output of: apt-file search shared_ptr.hpp ? [12:14] 11:29:38 < nperry> I'm not to sure if its legal to torrent then use the product key :/ [12:14] afternoonings all. [12:14] my apt-file seems borked [12:14] nperry: I suspect you know exactly how legal that is [12:15] * popey points kazade at packages.ubuntu.com [12:15] http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=shared_ptr.hpp&mode=exactfilename&suite=maverick&arch=any [12:15] libboost1.40-dev, libboost1.42-dev [12:16] popey, thanks, didn't know about that [12:17] doh, I'd used "sudo apt-file update" but then non-sudo apt-file search... [12:17] there was no user-level apt-file cache === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [12:37] popey: 9PM monday good for you? [12:56] AlanBell: yes === AlanBell changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List: http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines - http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | Meeting Monday January 10th 21:00 GMT in #ubuntu-uk-meeting http://tinyurl.com/uukmeet [13:23] you know your computers getting a little insane when you overload an 850W PSU >.< [13:23] at least, I think that's whats going on. [13:39] Wow, I've never seen a quit message from an Emacs IRC client before [13:43] Daviey: do we have a stash of CDs and a funky new banner and box of goodies? [13:45] * brobostigon sighs, pastedpages worth of mailing list, for only two lines of actual text. [13:50] my laptop graphics card is nearly failed am i right in thinking if I can get ssh installed i can run it headless? [13:57] Afternoon [13:57] that it is [13:58] jenkins: Yes [13:58] hi guys can any one suggest me a channel to discuss about hybrid graphics card use in linux [13:58] !openssh-server | jenkins [13:58] cool thanks, [13:58] !info openssh-server | jenkins [13:58] jenkins: openssh-server (source: openssh): secure shell (SSH) server, for secure access from remote machines. In component main, is optional. Version 1:5.5p1-4ubuntu4 (maverick), package size 294 kB, installed size 800 kB [13:59] I just hope i can get it installed before it fails completly [13:59] I know there was a discussion about updating couchdb in Lucid to support U1 contact sync, where the updated packages pushed? if not can I manually update a 10.04 instalation to use these packages? [13:59] s/where/were === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [14:32] I haven't got any sound in team combat elite or enemy territory in ubuntu 10.10 64-bit. Does ubuntu have oss support? [14:35] hi all [14:39] A giant rain cloud an enveloped my house :| [14:39] s/an/has [14:40] I think I need an electric shock everytime I make a typo :( [15:02] hello all [15:03] does anyone know if you can install ubuntu on a netbook running ce v6 [15:03] jonsaint: can you tell us the model of said netbook, please. [15:04] its a arnova 10. its my daughters but ce is a total waste of time, she knows how to use ubuntu....we all do. we aint great fans of mucrosoft products! [15:06] it looks like it is an arm device, debian has a very developed version for arm, so in theory it is possible, how,no idea. [15:07] jonsaint: It looks like it's pretty low on RAM [15:07] http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2653&c=archos_arnova_10 [15:08] yeah, even UNE needs more RAM than it looks like that has [15:08] yeah. it aint got nothing special in there [15:09] jonsaint: I think it's pretty unlikely without a bit of kernel level hacking to get it to go first [15:09] jonsaint: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements#Ubuntu%20Netbook%20Edition has the current system requirements for the regular Ubuntu flavours [15:09] debian could run inside that ram, but it would have to be quite minimalist. [15:10] drat. i hate this software. so its too low spec for ubuntu? [15:10] Ubuntu NB has been built for ARM machines, but it tends to be quite model specific... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/releases/10.10/release/ [15:12] i dont think it would work.... oh well. :-( [15:12] they also still seem to want at least 256MB of RAM [15:12] not sure what this has got [15:12] jonsaint: You cna get ARM Linux running in 128MB of RAM easily enough with a cut down ubuntu setup - but you'll need a kernel/X that understands that hardware - and I'm not sure if that exists; I suspect it's buildable but will take some figuring out [15:14] yeah its only got 128 ram. my calculators probably got more memory than this thing [15:16] anyway folks many thanks for tying. hope you all have a nice saturday [15:18] I am trying to ssh into my laptop and I can't work out why its not working I am getting http://paste.ubuntu.com/551808/ any suggestions? [15:19] jenkins: It's getting upset by the -l [15:19] jenkins: I think it's trying to login to ip 2222 using username p [15:20] are ok, how do i use adifferent user name on the server then? [15:20] you already are doing with the usernameΩaddress [15:20] oops, [15:20] username@address [15:21] k thanks I am trying now and I haev a different error [15:21] you can do ssh -l username hostname or ssh username@hostname [15:21] i see :) [15:22] its a problem with the keys the public one is on the clinet and the private on the server right? [15:22] yeh [15:22] hmm I wonder what I haev wrong [15:23] so what do you get now? [15:24] http://paste.ubuntu.com/551811/ [15:27] That looks to me like the authorised keys on the destination doesn't have your public key properly [15:28] I will just check where it is [15:28] check ther permissions on .ssh and .ssh/authorized_keys too [15:28] .ssh should be 700, authorized_keys should be 600 [15:30] ok I will check that, it will take a moment as I only have one external screen and one keyboard/mouse [15:31] there's a handy wee utility called 'ssh-copy-id' that does al taht for you, provided you can get in with a PW [15:31] hi can any one help me through setting up hybrid graphic card switch on ubuntu 10.10 please [15:33] hmm permissons are fine. I may have to try allowing passwords to copy it across [15:33] Hi [15:34] kaushal, hi [15:34] ocean_: hi [15:34] Please suggest me about https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-January/238179.html [15:35] kaushal: you might find reporting bugs better answered if you report them via lauchpad rather than a ML sorry [15:36] ok [15:36] it's the best way to report a bug tbh [15:36] czajkowski: so as a temporary measure ? [15:37] Do i need to reinstall the OS ? [15:37] kaushal: I'm sorry I don't know [15:37] I feel 10.10 is filled with bugs [15:37] I have upgraded the OS and it gives error [15:38] seems like some odd config there kaushal [15:38] popey: ok [15:39] you also dont say how it failed [15:39] just [failed] [15:40] popey: oi oi ;) [15:40] popey: so as a remedy do i need to run fsck > [15:40] o/ [15:40] ?* [15:40] I don't yet know what the issue is [15:40] I mean unmount /dev/sda5 [15:43] i dont know what happens when you go into recovery mode so dont yet know what the issue is [15:43] hi guys i am using ubuntu 10.10 64 bit.the machine has ATI monility radeon TM HD 5470 graphics switchable with intel HD GMA. on linux after a bit of googling in installed switcheroo and UCC . when i choose low graphics it shows intel chip is active. when i choose high perfomance under UCC>network info>display i cant see ATI card. instaed it says mesa project, software rasterizer. moreover my compiz doesnt work when i choose high perfomance graphics. is t [15:43] here anyway to get around this and make my ATI work.thanks [15:44] I would appreciate any help guiding in the right direction even if its not a proper fix [15:44] tx [15:49] I must be missing something here, I can [15:49] *can't find how to locate the svn of a project on sourceforge [15:50] http://sourceforge.net/projects/openmohaa/ [15:50] svn co https://openmohaa.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/openmohaa openmohaa [15:50] popey: How did you find that? [15:50] google + svn + openmohaa [15:51] Ah ok, sorry [15:51] kvarley: it's under the 'develop' tab on SF [15:51] Oh yeah my bad, thanks popey and mgdm [15:54] popey, any help regarding the above problem :-) [15:54] ocean_: sorry, I dont have or plan to have any ATI hardware [15:54] popey, tx, [15:55] <-- Achievement unlocked: Master Ikea "Billy" builder [15:57] ocean_: if you feel competent to have you tried removing the intel card and starting you computer? It may then use the ati card this would to prove it works with compiz. [15:57] ooo, we have Billy [15:57] billy? popey [15:58] jenkins: Ikea :) [15:58] popey: I have Billy and Expedit now :) [15:58] * jenkins does not get it [15:58] its a product name [15:58] jenkins: http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/83688210 [15:58] I see now i get it [15:58] mine is beech veneer [15:59] i had to use pythagoras to figure out if it would fit in the room [15:59] jenkins, i need some help to do it if u don mind. [15:59] popey: I have 2 in Beech veneer (1x 80cm, 1x 40cm wide), drilled some extra holes for more shelves = more CDs :) [15:59] :) [16:00] popey: and one in "black-brown" [16:00] but that's in another room [16:00] ocean_: I am not really able to tell you how to remove it over irc, its not to easy to explain. Is the intel card part of the motherboard? [16:00] jenkins: intel cards are always on-board [16:00] jenkins: sometimes even part of the CPU [16:01] darn , sorry I did not know that [16:02] ok the only solution I can think off is to remove intel graphics driver packages and hope it uses the ait card on boot. if not you will need to be able to reinstall the packages using a live cd which is not easy. Does this logic make sense anyone? [16:03] Trying to make openmohaa and it fails, any suggestions as to what I need to do? http://paste.ubuntu.com/551830/ [16:03] kvarley: you ran configure? [16:03] also, why are you compiling it? [16:03] surely its packaged? [16:04] any dr. who Daleks fans? Argos are selling off mini ones for 5 quid in Aldershot [16:04] popey: Doesn't seem to be for linux [16:05] popey: It happened after the usual update manager process and asked for reboot [16:05] and then never booted [16:05] and that message [16:05] kaushal: what happens when you go into recovery mode? [16:05] never tried [16:05] anything to be done ? [16:06] uh [16:06] thats not what your email says [16:06] "Steps I tried: [16:06] 1. Tried the recovery mode from grub. [failed] [16:06] " [16:06] ah sorry [16:06] yes [16:06] popey: There is no configure, in the readme it just says make. [16:07] popey: Do you need more information ? [16:07] is there a recent bug reported on Launchpad ? [16:07] 16:05:39 < popey> kaushal: what happens when you go into recovery mode? [16:08] it fails [16:08] that is not an answer [16:08] what happens [16:08] kvarley: trying it here [16:09] popey: please give me a moment [16:09] Thanks popey [16:11] kvarley: do you have the original MOHAA pak files? [16:11] popey: Yes but the readme gives the impression you dont need them until after you've made it [16:12] sure [16:12] kvarley: there's not a lot of stuff online about this on linux, which makes me think it's not been properly ported to linux [16:13] popey: I have looked at forums and sourceforge dates and it seems like it's dead [16:13] kvarley: http://icculus.org/~ravage/mohaa/ [16:13] ? [16:13] popey: That's not the open one [16:13] ah [16:13] popey: I was just interested in the open one but am not bothered if it's not working as the project seems to have dried up [16:14] popey: Thanks for looking :) [16:14] yeah, it barfs in the same way here [16:16] popey: Too bad, I'll stick to trying to fix audio on tc-elite lol [16:16] sorry, I dont know how to fix that [16:16] popey: On a side note, whens the next uupc ? [16:17] dunno [16:17] hehe [16:17] unlikely to be before mid feb [16:22] I have made it work thanks mgdm and penguin42, part of the problem was that I had typed an extra s on the user name that was allowed to ssh into the machine [16:27] jenkins: ah, that'd do it! good that you got it sorted [16:27] yea I also re did the keys using password authentication [16:30] mgdm: how are you?! [16:30] Pendulum: I'm fine ta, you? [16:31] good :) [16:31] have not seen you around for ages :( [16:32] I've been rather busy [16:32] I can tell [16:32] I hope all is well :) [16:32] aye, things are fine :) sitting in among boxes just now - moving flat [16:44] http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/216101/ubuntu_adds_sparkle_to_nufront_laptops_at_ces.html [16:47] what is a good place to start,for independent, non-biased uk market research surrounding linux ? [16:48] hi guys i am using ubuntu 10.10 64 bit.the machine has ATI monility radeon TM HD 5470 graphics switchable with intel HD GMA. on linux after a bit of googling in installed switcheroo and UCC . when i choose low graphics it shows intel chip is active. when i choose high perfomance under UCC>network info>display i cant see ATI card. instaed it says mesa project, software rasterizer. moreover my compiz doesnt work when i choose high perfomance graphics. is t [16:48] here anyway to get around this and make my ATI work.thanks [16:48] I would appreciate any help guiding in the right direction even if its not a proper fix [16:48] tx [16:52] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_adoption is the closest to useful i have found upto now. [16:54] ocean_: Have you got the ATI closed drives installed or the free ones? [17:10] penguin42, i tried to install FGLRX. on reboot there was no GUI. so i reinstalled ubuntu and i havent installed anything in particular [17:11] ocean_: How did you install frglx - with the ubuntu jockey/hardware drivers gui or from ati's site? [17:11] fglrx* [17:11] erm indeed [17:11] penguin42, installed from system>admin>additional drivers [17:12] hmm that should work [17:12] ocean_: In your BIOS can you force it into one or other of the intel or ati modes? [17:12] penguin42, there is no option in BIOS i have cheked it [17:13] with the help of switcheroo i can see that the switch possible [17:13] ocean_: Hmm that sucks; the laptop I use has options to do the autoswitching them, or to fix at either the intel or AMD [17:14] ocean_: Hmm ok, I've not tried switcheroo - with switcheroo and if you switch into the ATI mode what does X do? [17:14] penguin42, for the time being i don mind fixing it to ATI. its so disappointing and my machine is getting overheated as well [17:16] penguin42, there is an option in UCC called VGA switching. u can either select low perfomance or high perfomance. when i switch to high perfomance the ATI card disappears from system info. and no compiz as well [17:17] ocean_: does it show up in lspci? [17:17] sorry when i switch to low perfomance intel chip is dispalyed [17:17] at high perfomance ATI is not shown [17:17] odd [17:18] penguin42, is it because ATI hasnt got any drivers? [17:19] ocean_: It should show up in an lspci without drivers [17:19] ocean_: If it doesn't show up in lspci I doubt there is much chance [17:19] penguin42, it is showing up on lspci http://paste-bin.com/view/5572ef1c [17:20] ocean_: OK, so what happens if you try and start X? What's in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? [17:23] penguin42, http://paste-bin.com/view/18abcd8d [17:25] ocean_: OK, so that's detected the intel card and blown up because it's not really there [17:26] penguin42, what does that mean? so there is no ATI card in there!!! [17:26] ocean_: Well if your lspci is to be believed it is there, so what I'd try is to write an /etc/X11/xorg.conf that explicitly uses the ATI card [17:26] Hey, I have some kernel parameters to pass via Grub at boot time. How would I do this on a persistent basis? [17:26] ocean_: What I'm surprised at is that doing the switcheroo the intel card is still lsited [17:27] ocean_: So I don't know why X is finding the intel card given your lspci [17:28] ocean_: My guess (without having one to try it on) is that you boot with the Intel, do the magic to switch on the ATI but something (hal? udev?) hasn't noticed [17:28] penguin42, does it mean that ATI card is there but not used by switcheroo? [17:29] ocean_: I think the fact it shows up in lcpsi means switcheroo is doing it's job, but I don't know the details of switcheroo [17:30] penguin42, is there anyway to use ATI from the boot up not bothering about the switch so that i can use ubuntu? [17:30] ocean_: Well that's why I asked about the BIOS; when you are running the switch program are you doing that from within Intel X or from the command line? [17:31] penguin42, sorry i don understand what X is. i just use the GUI to make that switch [17:32] ocean_: OK, to get any further I suspect you'll need to understand a lot more about the underneath of the GUI [17:32] ocean_: But I've not tried the switch stuff to know enough about how switching works - but I'm retty familiar with how normal stuff works [17:33] penguin42, if there is no switcheroo how would u fix this problem? i was not able to ATI right from the install. fglrx broke the GUI as well [17:34] ocean_: I'd stick with the intel, or I'd hand wirte an xorg.conf file [17:35] penguin42, what would the file do? [17:35] can i still do it? [17:35] ocean_: At the moment the GUI is finding the hardware for itself - and not doing very well; but you can say to it 'use this driver with this PCI device and configure it like this' [17:38] penguin42, is there any helpful link for it. I would try it and see how it goes [17:39] ocean_: Well here is the manual http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/maverick/man5/xorg.conf.5.html but it's a bit hard reading, I'm sure there are some articles that are easier for starters [17:48] how do I add a device in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules? [17:48] pr0ph3t: that happens automatically [17:48] why do you want to do it? [17:49] MartijnVdS, not with my 3g modem unfortunately [17:49] how do I get the ATTR{address}? [17:49] pr0ph3t: is it a different device each time? [17:49] pr0ph3t: like eth0, eth1, eth2, eth3, etc. [17:50] MartijnVdS, it is built-in so it is always the same [17:50] pr0ph3t: that's what 70-persistent-net.rules does.. it makes sure that every device (with a specific hardware address (mac address)) gets the same name (eth0, eth1, etc.) to the system [17:51] after restarting [17:51] so if the name is already the same every time, you don't need to change it [17:52] MartijnVdS, I don't know if it is, it just has NO CARRIER on AT commands response [17:52] MartijnVdS, I'm trying to find what the problem could be [17:52] it's not this :) [17:53] persistent-net.rules is just there to give devices consistent names across system restarts. [17:53] I got "no carrier" a lot today on my 3G modem [17:53] it was caused by setting "Prefer 3G over GPRS" in the connection settings [17:54] Martkdoes it matter if on lsusb the device is recognised as E620 [17:54] sorry pressed enter by mistake [17:54] Huawei E620 should work fine [17:54] MartijnVdS, does it matter if on lsusb the device is recognised as E620 and AT command gives me EM770 instead? [17:54] but is it? [17:55] no, it should not matter. [17:55]