[01:20] <theonlyDK> rawr
[01:53] <valorie> rawr to you to!
[01:53] <valorie> too
[02:00] <theonlyDK> is there any way to revert to 10.10 from 11.4
[02:00] <theonlyDK> it seems some of the packages aren't quite stable yet
[02:14] <valorie> sure, reinstall
[02:15] <valorie> or go to #ubuntu+1 for experts
[02:15]  * valorie is still in 10.10 kubuntu, but I do have KDE 4.6rc1
[02:15] <valorie> so I'm sorta half-way there
[02:15] <valorie> dunno how they do that in gnomieland
[03:29] <theonlyDK> whats the difference between xubuntu/kubuntu and regular ubuntu anywayz
[03:30] <valorie> desktop
[03:30] <valorie> Kubuntu uses KDE, which is my preference
[03:30] <valorie> Ubuntu uses Gnome, which I don't like
[03:31] <valorie> Xubuntu uses XFCE, I believe
[03:31] <valorie> etc.
[03:35] <theonlyDK> ahh
[03:39] <valorie> just figuring all this stuff out, myself
[03:39] <valorie> I just heard of a new thing that a friend of mine installed: PeppermintOS
[03:40] <valorie> it's actually based on 10.04 LTS, and is pretty slick
[03:40] <valorie> re-themed, and linked up to some company's cloud services
[03:40] <valorie> although stuff is available for free, if you keep digging
[03:41] <valorie> sec
[05:46] <theonlyDK> hmmm i've heard of peppermint...just bits and pieces though. 
[05:47] <valorie> looks slick
[05:48] <valorie> would irritate me to be behind their little walls
[05:48] <valorie> but this is a guy migrating from windows
[05:48] <althara> Hi valorie *waves*
[05:48] <valorie> maybe he likes the safety
[05:48] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}} and happy new year, althara!
[05:48] <althara> happy new year to you too
[05:48] <valorie> thanks!
[05:49] <valorie> so far, so good
[05:49] <valorie> google code-in is almost over
[05:49] <valorie> my handbook is almost out the door
[05:49] <valorie> etc.
[05:49] <valorie> feels GOOD
[05:49] <althara> You wouldn't happen to be going to gslug tomorrow, would you? *nudge nudge*
[05:49] <althara> awesome
[05:49] <althara> :)
[05:49] <valorie> sorry, now
[05:49] <valorie> no
[05:49] <valorie> I mean
[05:49] <valorie> one of these months, I promise I will
[05:50] <valorie> why in hell do they have them on Saturday morning?
[05:50] <althara> noon to 4
[05:50] <valorie> ::groan::
[05:50] <theonlyDK> most people work mon-fri...
[05:50] <althara> I have no idea really
[05:50] <althara> I like that it's not a week night
[05:50] <valorie> that means leaving here by 10:30
[05:50] <althara> those are super hard on me with a little
[05:50] <althara> one
[05:50] <valorie> and I don't want to get up until then
[05:50] <valorie> lol
[05:50] <althara> heh
[05:51] <althara> blame salt :P
[05:51] <theonlyDK> whats gslug?
[05:51] <valorie> oh, I do
[05:51] <valorie> lol
[05:51] <althara> greater seattle linux user group
[05:51] <valorie> greater seattle linux
[05:52] <theonlyDK> oh
[05:52] <valorie> the slug part is just coincidental
[05:52] <althara> meetings are the second Saturday of the month
[05:52] <valorie> :-)
[05:52] <althara> usually at google fremont
[05:52] <althara> valorie: don't feel bad. I've only gone maybe twice in the last year
[05:53] <valorie> if I lived closer, I would def. attend more
[05:54] <theonlyDK> wow thats pretty close  to where im at
[05:54] <althara> http://www.gslug.org/wiki/index.php/Meeting_2011-01-08
[05:55] <althara> MJEvans is bringing cake!
[05:55] <valorie> :(
[05:55] <theonlyDK> did someone say steak?>
[05:55] <valorie> lol
[05:55] <althara> heh
[05:56] <valorie> I was trying to get a geeknik going last summer
[05:56] <valorie> but it never happened
[05:56] <althara> the brewery down the street probably has steak
[05:56] <valorie> THIS SUMMER
[05:56] <althara> I think last year was a little busy
[05:56] <valorie> for sure
[05:56] <althara> this year we'll start planning in may :)
[05:56] <valorie> possibly earlier
[05:57] <valorie> esp. if I decide to try to attend UDS again
[05:57] <althara> if we want to make it big like the linux picnic in the bay area we should definitely start planning early
[05:57] <valorie> which is April
[05:57] <valorie> right, we don't have MarkDude
[05:57] <althara> right around linuxfest time
[05:57] <valorie> who is just a people magnet
[05:57] <althara> :)
[05:57] <theonlyDK> golden gardens?
[05:58] <theonlyDK> for a picnic...
[05:58] <althara> that's a good idea
[05:58] <theonlyDK> :)
[05:58] <theonlyDK> or magnuson
[05:58] <valorie> we were scoping out the parks last year
[05:58] <theonlyDK> i know alot in this town...
[05:58] <valorie> some allow beer, some are No Alcohol
[05:59] <theonlyDK> brown paper bags say otherwise :)
[05:59] <valorie> beer isn't that important to me, but it does add to the fun for most
[05:59] <althara> I'm willing to put in some money for a rental fee if there might be one
[05:59] <althara> we also have the $25 from the lucid party
[05:59] <valorie> right, but I was going to get my son to brew us a keg
[05:59] <althara> that would be sweet!
[05:59] <theonlyDK> awesome!
[06:00] <valorie> although he tells me that buying one costs about the same
[06:00] <althara> if we bring beer they will come  :p
[06:00] <valorie> but I thought something just for us would be cool
[06:00] <theonlyDK> i have an empty mac and jacks keg i could donate
[06:00] <valorie> nice!
[06:00] <theonlyDK> it can only be filled by them too
[06:00] <valorie> mac and jacks is great!
[06:01] <theonlyDK> yeah i went on the tour a week ago
[06:01] <valorie> oh, I've never been 
[06:01] <valorie> where are they?
[06:02] <althara> valorie: just for us would be awesome too ,but how would we drink a whole keg?
[06:02] <valorie> I was thinking we could get lotsa geeks to come
[06:02] <valorie> if we get a head start
[06:02] <valorie> even windows geeks
[06:03] <althara> indeed
[06:03] <valorie> since my son the brewer is a win geek
[06:03] <valorie> even the linux son uses win for WoW
[06:03] <althara> we're all inclusive :)
[06:03] <valorie> exactly
[06:04] <valorie> hard to think of a picnic now, while it's so cold 
[06:04] <valorie> but summer will come, I just know it
[06:04] <valorie> :-)
[06:04] <althara> I sure hope so
[06:04] <theonlyDK> i had dual boot for gaming...
[06:05] <theonlyDK> that project grendaded though
[06:05] <althara> I played WoW on my mac <_<
[06:05] <valorie> he bought an alienware lappy just for it
[06:05] <theonlyDK> i play league of legends when i game, its super addicting
[06:05] <valorie> crazy man
[06:05] <althara> I've heard of it. Haven't installed it yet
[06:06] <theonlyDK> its blown up dota for wc3
[06:06] <theonlyDK> same devs
[06:06] <althara> Got a few friends that play pretty regularly, but I really don't need another time sink
[06:06] <theonlyDK> from*
[06:06] <valorie> my gaming goes as far as klondike
[06:06] <althara> :)
[06:06] <theonlyDK> my roomate's played 1500 games, they range from 25-75 minutes long too
[06:07] <theonlyDK> i got like 500 under my belt...
[06:07] <theonlyDK> big time sink  during the winter
[06:08] <althara> it's hard to spend that much time on games with a small child
[06:09] <theonlyDK> val the mac and jacks brewery is in redmond
[06:09] <theonlyDK> the big R!
[06:10] <valorie> cool, that's not too far away
[06:10] <valorie> will have to drag the hubby up there
[06:10] <valorie> I've gone through Redhook
[06:10] <valorie> that's right behind where my dau works, at The Herbfarm restaurant
[06:10] <althara> there is a turducken of cake 
[06:11] <althara> this scares me, greatly
[06:11] <valorie> a turducken of cake?
[06:11] <valorie> this sounds.....
[06:11] <theonlyDK> NOMNOMNOM
[06:11] <althara> two different pies inside a cake
[06:11] <althara> takes three days to make
[06:11] <theonlyDK> oh my
[06:11] <valorie> OMG
[06:11] <theonlyDK> cake stuffed with pies
[06:11] <valorie> lol
[06:11] <theonlyDK> this is outragoues
[06:11] <althara> heh
[06:11] <valorie> I think i'd rather have them separately
[06:11] <theonlyDK> i've had dual layer pumpkin apple pie
[06:12] <althara> it's on the food network right _now_
[06:12] <MarkDude> valorie, you do have me to help plan some of the stuff out, and you are correct about staarting now
[06:12] <theonlyDK> but never a pie inside a cake, let alone 2...
[06:12] <valorie> hey MarkDude
[06:12] <valorie> let me just say, we are not having turducken
[06:12] <MarkDude> Yes, but you have unique powers also
[06:12] <valorie> lol
[06:13] <althara> no way. I refuse to have turducken
[06:13] <althara> now a pumple cake, maybe
[06:13] <MarkDude> I am hoping to make it to LFNW, but we will see how the work thing is
[06:13] <valorie> pumpkin cake is good
[06:13] <valorie> oooo, that woudl be FUN
[06:13] <valorie> so pretty up there
[06:13] <valorie> and the geeks are great
[06:13] <theonlyDK> why such a resistance to turducken
[06:14] <valorie> lolol
[06:14] <MarkDude> Did you see the torched banana dessert we made at Geeknic 2?
[06:14] <valorie> i did!
[06:14] <theonlyDK> negatory
[06:14]  * MarkDude will find link
[06:14] <valorie> I'm sure MarkDude has pix
[06:15] <valorie> although, I'm thinking of a roast turkey with the circle of friends in the skin......
[06:15] <valorie> lol
[06:15] <althara> there is like 3 inches of frosting between the two layers of cake
[06:15] <valorie> ugh
[06:16] <valorie> the nice thing about pumpkin bread, or cake -- no frosting
[06:16] <valorie> at most, glaze
[06:16] <althara> I like glaze more than frosting
[06:16] <althara> buttercream can get overwhelming very fast
[06:16] <valorie> me too
[06:16] <valorie> exactly
[06:16] <althara> I'll make my gramdma's poppyseed lemon cake for the picnic :)
[06:17] <valorie> sounds good
[06:17] <althara> best cake I ever had in my life
[06:17] <valorie> make it in a bundt cake pan
[06:17] <althara> but that might be because I loved my grandma :)
[06:17] <valorie> and you can easily make a circle of friends on the plate
[06:17] <althara> it's a loaf type cake
[06:18] <valorie> sure, but I bet you can make it bundt
[06:18] <althara> maybe if I double it
[06:18] <althara> I can do some experiments
[06:18] <theonlyDK> i'm not very particular about cake, i'll eat it all
[06:18] <theonlyDK> :)
[06:18] <valorie> I often change stuff like that around
[06:18] <althara> I've been really into bundt cakes lately
[06:18] <althara> pudding cakes to be exact
[06:19] <valorie> my best pumpkin cake is actually a pumpkin bread reciped
[06:19] <althara> so moist and yummy-licious
[06:19] <valorie> and vice versa
[06:19] <theonlyDK> i haven't gotten to dessert and baked goods in my cooking experiments yet...
[06:19] <valorie> the nice thing about bundt is they look fancy right out of the pan
[06:19] <valorie> without icing
[06:19] <valorie> and super fancy with just some powdered sugar or glaze
[06:19] <valorie> or cocoa
[06:20] <valorie> depending on the type
[06:20] <althara> yep
[06:20] <althara> I even found a good pan at a thrift store
[06:20] <althara> I was so happy about that
[06:20] <valorie> I have no kids, and never bake anymore
[06:20] <valorie> someone like me whose kids have all moved away
[06:20] <valorie> lol
[06:20] <althara> I couldn't justify spending $40 for a bundt pan
[06:21] <valorie> but my cake pan is still up in the cupboard
[06:21] <valorie> I hear ya
[06:21] <althara> :)
[06:21] <valorie> I think mine was a wedding gift
[06:21] <valorie> or something
[06:21] <althara> I think the one I found was fromt he 70's
[06:21] <althara> it's olive green, cast aluminum
[06:21] <althara> it'll last forever
[06:22] <valorie> oh lord
[06:22] <valorie> olive green
[06:22] <valorie> shudder
[06:22] <althara> at least it's not a fridge :P
[06:22] <valorie> everything used to be that shade
[06:22] <althara> and avacado shag rug
[06:22] <valorie> including my first fridge
[06:22] <valorie> gah, that was awful
[06:22] <althara> I've seen the pictures of the house my parents lived in pre kids :P
[06:22] <valorie> and mustard yellow
[06:23] <althara> it was very 70s
[06:23] <valorie> who was designing stuff back then?
[06:23] <valorie> ugh
[06:23] <althara> no idea
[06:23] <valorie> we moved to this house in 75
[06:23] <valorie> so glad to get ride of that dowdy old stuff finally
[06:24] <valorie> I see old photos and cringe
[06:24] <valorie> lol
[06:24] <althara> heh
[06:26] <theonlyDK> is peppermint made by google? becuase i read about a cloud os that google was building
[06:26] <valorie> hmmm
[06:27] <valorie> I didn't see the google name anywhere around it
[06:27] <valorie> but I have to say, my search wasn't exhaustive
[06:27] <valorie> it's build on 10.04
[06:27] <valorie> and has a cloud component if people put up the money for that
[06:27] <valorie> so it could be an experiment by them
[06:28] <valorie> they have their own new cloud OS out on some laptops they gave away to some folks
[06:29] <theonlyDK> yeah im gonna build a live usb for it
[06:29] <theonlyDK> and give it a go
[06:29] <theonlyDK> just cuz
[06:30] <valorie> report back
[06:30] <valorie> it looks interesting
[06:33] <theonlyDK> roger that
[06:47] <theonlyDK> this is going to be very interesting, i've never even used the cloud before
[06:58] <valorie> how much do they charge?
[06:58]  * valorie just bought cloud backup today, from spideroak
[06:58] <valorie> it's got 4 gigs so far, out of 100
[06:59] <valorie> might be uploading for awhile.....
[06:59] <theonlyDK> the os was free
[07:00] <theonlyDK> no idea what the subscription could be
[07:01] <valorie> k
[07:02] <valorie> it's sort of a nice business plan
[07:02] <valorie> basically charging for extra services and help
[07:02] <valorie> which when you think about it is what Canonical does for business
[07:12] <theonlyDK> or what google does with android...
[07:12] <theonlyDK> okay im taking the plunge...
[07:30] <althara> MarkDude: that animated gif you posted to facebook is creeping me out
[07:32] <valorie> now I have to go look!
[07:32]  * MarkDude started making some gifs for a friends band - they are heavy metal- this one is not creepy http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2424094/Dude%20running%20with%20scissors.gif
[07:33] <MarkDude> it is a dropbox pic valorie 
[07:34] <valorie> k
[07:34] <valorie> that's weeeeiiiirrrrddddd
[07:34] <valorie> I should get a dropbox
[07:34] <valorie> but maybe my spideroak will work
[07:35] <valorie> gotta get the backup done first, before I mess with it
[07:35] <MarkDude> http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/fifthpillar/hackergotchis/
[07:35] <MarkDude> all of them are there, yes its a Fedora blog, dont be mad at me
[07:35] <valorie> approaching 5 gigs backed up!
[07:35] <valorie> out of 80 or so
[07:35] <valorie> lol
[07:35] <valorie> why would i be mad at you
[07:36] <valorie> silly man
[07:36] <valorie> lol
[07:36] <valorie> omg googly eyes
[07:36] <valorie> now THAT is creepy
[07:37] <althara> eaxctly
[07:37] <althara> exactly
[07:48] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> lookie lou i made it..running peppermint...
[07:48] <althara> nice
[07:49] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> time to explore...
[07:49] <valorie> does it look good?
[07:49] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> im running live right now
[07:49] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> runs okay for the most part
[07:50] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> internet video is doodoo
[07:51] <valorie> might not have flash installed
[07:51] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> its does
[07:51] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> youtube works good but every other video site is kinda shitty
[07:52] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> hmmm software manager
[07:52] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> interesting
[07:53] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> overall the UI design is about 7 of 10
[07:53] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> for not installed
[07:53] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> boots up like ubuntu
[07:55] <MarkDude> Which side are the buttons on?
[07:55] <valorie> well, it IS ubuntu
[07:55] <valorie> 10.04 LTS
[07:55] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> menu is windows esc bottom left
[07:55] <MarkDude> The correct side then :P
[07:55] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> windows-esque*
[07:56] <valorie> lol
[07:56] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> actually
[07:56] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> the entire bottom taskbar is XP
[07:56] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> which makes me hate this
[07:56] <valorie> correct=KDE where you can have them whereever you want
[07:56] <valorie> lol
[07:56] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> 4 workspaces....imagine that!
[07:57] <MarkDude> Hmm, sounds like a possible *gateway drug* I can use to get folks into Linux
[07:57] <valorie> I heard about it earlier today, when a friend of mine said he'd installed it instead of windows
[07:58] <valorie> PeppermintOS
[07:58] <valorie> had never heard of it before
[07:58] <valorie> looks pretty cute
[08:04] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> its super similiar to windows
[08:04] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> scary infact
[08:04] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> has a "run" command
[08:04] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> in the menu
[08:10] <MarkDude> Run?
[08:10] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> yeah
[08:11] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> like windows 98
[08:11] <MarkDude> is there a pepppermintconfig,sys?
[08:11]  * DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT shudders
[08:11] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> flash crashed...imagine that
[08:12] <MarkDude> that is a cross platform feature of flash
[08:12] <MarkDude> does that well on all platforms
[08:12] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> yeah i've learned that...
[08:12] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> slowly :)
[08:12] <MarkDude> They have been perfecting it
[08:13] <valorie> I'm pretty sure that it is meant to be familiar to win users
[08:14] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> yeah
[08:14] <MarkDude> Well the crashing makes them feel at home :D
[08:14] <valorie> rofl
[08:14] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> flash crashes all the time in 11.04 for me...
[08:14] <valorie> one thing that draws us all together: hatred of flash!
[08:15] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> yeah
[08:15] <MarkDude> And as you get more used to Linux, you can move the slider towards the less crashes side
[08:15]  * valorie is listening to Bitter Sweet Symphony by The Verve on Urban Hymns [Amarok]
[08:15] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> hmmm
[08:15] <valorie> just seemed apropos
[08:16]  * MarkDude is going to be performing my Sister's Marriage next month
[08:16] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> i've tried using different synaptics for the flash plugins but all have equally shitty performance
[08:16] <MarkDude> Ordained on ulc.org - ty
[08:17] <MarkDude> DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT, the proper phrase is re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic
[08:17] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> hmmm
[08:17] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> i can view and use all the files on my hd...
[08:18] <DKPAPPAPEPPAMINT> mkv still glitchy playback...
[08:24] <valorie> nice, MarkDude
[08:25] <valorie> I found out my middle son has officiated at a couple of weddings
[08:25] <valorie> I didn't have a clue
[08:25] <valorie> lol
[08:25] <valorie> I have ulc ordination too, but don't know where my piece of paper is
[08:25] <althara> ditto
[08:25] <valorie> nor do I really want to conduct a wedding
[08:25] <valorie> that's a lot of pressue
[08:25] <valorie> pressure
[08:26] <MarkDude> The advice said just sign up again - I had done it in 2006 or sumthin
[08:26]  * MarkDude plans on marrying some folks again
[08:27]  * MarkDude reserves the right not to do it - I may pass on it it if I dont think I am the right person- this will be my 1st time
[08:27] <MarkDude> I am cool with it- I might perform some civil unions also
[08:28] <MarkDude> and eventually marriages for gay folks also
[08:28] <MarkDude> the timing being the laws- not mine :)
[08:29] <valorie> of course
[08:31]  * MarkDude was joking that he can be the Sinister Minister
[08:32] <MarkDude> The titles they have on Ulc are great- rock n roll reverend, dervish, even Pope
[08:33] <MarkDude> I will spend a $ to see if we can get one to name Alan- Pope Pope
[08:33] <valorie> I wonder if any of the sisters of perpetual indulgence do weddings?
[08:34] <valorie> now that would be a touch of class!
[08:34] <MarkDude> Most likely
[08:34] <valorie> I went to gay bingo awhile ago, which they were running
[08:34] <valorie> it was fun!
[08:34]  * MarkDude met one of them last summer cant find the card
[08:34] <valorie> and a huge fundraiser
[08:35] <valorie> they are easy to find on the web
[08:35] <valorie> Abbey of St. Joan down there
[08:35]  * MarkDude can just imagine a few of the winners beyond excited
[08:36] <MarkDude> people totally freak over winning, my ex-fiance used to bingo all the time
[08:37] <valorie> first time I've ever done it
[08:37] <valorie> I did BAD
[08:37] <valorie> lol
[08:41]  * MarkDude could not even do 1 bingo card
[08:42] <althara> bingo is fun
[08:42] <MarkDude> Linda had like 12 and was still tracking mine
[08:42] <althara> especially if you can drink while you play
[08:42] <althara> and if you do it like the odeon did, with massive amounts of ridiculous
[08:43] <MarkDude> Fridays were cool, i would come home hand my wallet over, dinner was made. I would watch the kids until bingo was over
[08:44] <MarkDude> althara,  they have a smoking and non section there?
[08:44] <althara> no, it was a bar in SF. Closed down three years ago, I think.
[08:44] <althara> Actually longer
[08:45] <althara> And SF hates smoking :)
[08:45] <MarkDude> Smoking and people that drive hummers
[08:46] <althara> indeed
[08:46] <DK12> hating smoking is the cool thing to do now a days
[08:46] <DK12> i get mean mugged a lot downtown when im walkin and smokin
[08:46] <DK12> :(
[08:47] <althara> The obnoxious behavior goes both ways, I've found. Was never really into it when I've been on either side of that equation.
[08:48] <althara> it being making other people uncomfortable in their choice to or not to smoke
[08:53] <althara> yay, I get to go to sleep now
[08:53] <althara> night all
[09:02] <valorie> I hate smoke, and the smell of it, but like smokers
[09:02] <valorie> always like to hang with the smokers
[09:08]  * MarkDude still needs to quit
[19:39] <DK12> off to gslug woot....
[19:40] <althara> I'm not gonna make it. Work :(