| tanders12 | holstein: you in? | 01:33 |
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| holstein | tanders12: hey | 02:02 |
| holstein | w0w | 02:02 |
| holstein | sooperlooper is FUN | 02:02 |
| tanders12 | holstein: listened to your openmusician podcast today | 02:57 |
| tanders12 | and read your blog | 02:57 |
| holstein | AH | 03:01 |
| tanders12 | good stuff | 03:11 |
| tanders12 | ive played violin for 10 years and never understood hardly any theory | 03:12 |
| tanders12 | but now that im learning guitar i figure it's about time | 03:12 |
| holstein | tanders12: hey, thanks :) | 03:25 |
| holstein | feel free and comment at the blog and ask whatever | 03:25 |
| tanders12 | yeah np | 03:39 |
| tanders12 | i love theory. almost makes me wanna switch my major. i would if there was any money in teaching | 03:39 |
| tanders12 | holstein: hey you still around? | 05:50 |
| holstein | tanders12: yo | 05:51 |
| tanders12 | wanna help me troubleshoot my xruns? :D | 05:51 |
| holstein | did you say you have a TI chipset? | 05:51 |
| holstein | the other one is looking at | 05:52 |
| holstein | cat /proc/interrupts | 05:52 |
| holstein | and see what all is on the same IRQ as the firewire | 05:53 |
| tanders12 | 16: 564157 0 IO-APIC-fasteoi firewire_ohci, yenta, i915 | 05:53 |
| tanders12 | what's an irg? | 05:53 |
| tanders12 | IRQ** | 05:53 |
| holstein | OH yeah | 05:54 |
| tanders12 | nvr | 05:54 |
| holstein | i remember looking at that with tou | 05:54 |
| tanders12 | it means interrupt request | 05:54 |
| holstein | yenta is the PCMCIA | 05:54 |
| holstein | and i915 is graphic | 05:54 |
| tanders12 | lol i had the page open in my browser that explains irqs | 05:54 |
| tanders12 | yeah you're right | 05:54 |
| tanders12 | we did look at it | 05:54 |
| holstein | probably not great that graphics and the firewire are together | 05:54 |
| holstein | that can matter | 05:54 |
| holstein | how much? | 05:54 |
| holstein | who knows | 05:54 |
| tanders12 | just a little | 05:54 |
| tanders12 | atm i don't even have an rt kernel running | 05:55 |
| holstein | OH | 05:55 |
| holstein | that'll do it | 05:55 |
| holstein | that'll help | 05:55 |
| holstein | RT kernel | 05:55 |
| holstein | the IRQ thing | 05:55 |
| tanders12 | yeah | 05:55 |
| holstein | and realistic expectations | 05:55 |
| holstein | i can get down to 1.2 | 05:55 |
| tanders12 | is natty rt kernel the only way to go for maverick? | 05:55 |
| tanders12 | ms? | 05:56 |
| holstein | but i cant run a whole bunch of stuff like that | 05:56 |
| holstein | yeah | 05:56 |
| tanders12 | wow | 05:56 |
| holstein | i have different profiles | 05:56 |
| tanders12 | me want :) | 05:56 |
| holstein | one for around 2.4ms | 05:56 |
| holstein | thats for realtime processing/live-softsynths | 05:56 |
| tanders12 | i don't need to run much, but tracking is important so I really need to get the lat down | 05:56 |
| holstein | then i have a kinda general purpose one | 05:56 |
| holstein | around 12ms | 05:57 |
| holstein | and a really high one | 05:57 |
| tanders12 | pretty sure my af4 doesn't have hardware monitoring | 05:57 |
| holstein | around 60ms or so | 05:57 |
| holstein | for mixing | 05:57 |
| tanders12 | hm | 05:57 |
| holstein | when i have all kinds of plugins going | 05:57 |
| holstein | and JAMin | 05:57 |
| tanders12 | i set my buffer to 1024 and was still gettin xruns | 05:57 |
| holstein | tanders12: OH | 05:57 |
| holstein | thats not good | 05:57 |
| tanders12 | things like minimizing ardour would through an xrun | 05:57 |
| holstein | BUT try the other kernel | 05:57 |
| holstein | i might get an xrun opening an app | 05:58 |
| tanders12 | yeah about that | 05:58 |
| holstein | but when its running, its stable | 05:58 |
| tanders12 | how's your natty kernel working out? | 05:58 |
| holstein | OH | 05:58 |
| holstein | i installed the -lowlatency one | 05:58 |
| holstein | from abogani's PPA | 05:58 |
| holstein | seems OK | 05:58 |
| tanders12 | on maverick? or are you running natty? | 05:58 |
| holstein | that was natty | 05:58 |
| holstein | i wanted to test it out in there | 05:59 |
| tanders12 | natty alpha or just the natty kernel? | 05:59 |
| holstein | both | 05:59 |
| holstein | i dont have anything installed there though | 05:59 |
| holstein | other than JACK | 05:59 |
| tanders12 | i wouldn't mind trying out natyy | 05:59 |
| holstein | so ill have acutally try something over there soon | 05:59 |
| holstein | BUT it seemed to load and run like normal | 06:00 |
| holstein | at around 5ms latency | 06:00 |
| holstein | no xruns | 06:00 |
| tanders12 | yeah the install im on right now is a 20gb partition dedicated for an audio testbed | 06:00 |
| holstein | the maverick install seems stable too | 06:00 |
| holstein | with that kernel i suggested to you | 06:00 |
| tanders12 | with the natty kernel? | 06:00 |
| holstein | yup | 06:00 |
| holstein | the -realtime one | 06:00 |
| tanders12 | you have that link again? | 06:00 |
| holstein | i didnt try the other one | 06:00 |
| holstein | sure... | 06:00 |
| holstein | http://jackschnippes.freeunix.net/index.php/2010/11/04/lowlatency-kernel-and-realtime-kernel-for-ubuntu-10-10-maverick | 06:01 |
| holstein | tanders12: you can try the low-latency one first if you want | 06:01 |
| holstein | thats the one i had in natty | 06:01 |
| tanders12 | meh | 06:02 |
| holstein | wifi was working with it and all | 06:02 |
| holstein | if thats important | 06:02 |
| holstein | im sure the RT one is a little better | 06:02 |
| tanders12 | id just as soon go for broke. like i said this install is dedicated to audio | 06:02 |
| tanders12 | oh thats actually a good point | 06:02 |
| holstein | hell, try em both | 06:02 |
| holstein | wont hurt | 06:02 |
| holstein | they'll just be there in GRUB | 06:02 |
| holstein | and you can choose | 06:02 |
| holstein | wont hurt anything | 06:02 |
| holstein | you can always find em in synaptic and zap them if you want | 06:03 |
| holstein | my test box has a scrolling GRUB menu now ;) | 06:03 |
| holstein | i got 5 kernels in lucid, 2 in maverick and 3 in natty | 06:03 |
| tanders12 | lol | 06:04 |
| tanders12 | well that settles it, the links for the lowlatency are broke | 06:04 |
| tanders12 | so rt it is | 06:04 |
| holstein | hmmm | 06:04 |
| holstein | i just DL'd them today | 06:04 |
| tanders12 | btw, is there a difference between linux-rt and linux-realtime? | 06:04 |
| holstein | 32bit? | 06:04 |
| tanders12 | yah | 06:04 |
| holstein | tanders12: not really | 06:04 |
| holstein | linux-rt was the official one | 06:04 |
| holstein | in the repos | 06:05 |
| holstein | when it was there | 06:05 |
| holstein | i think abogani just used -realtime for the testing branch he was making | 06:05 |
| holstein | tanders12: those links are working for me | 06:05 |
| tanders12 | weird | 06:05 |
| holstein | i can put them up here if you need | 06:06 |
| tanders12 | the first one works but both of the lowlatency ppa links don't | 06:06 |
| holstein | yeah, that ones bad :/ | 06:06 |
| tanders12 | its all good | 06:07 |
| tanders12 | btw off topic but patchage is the shiz | 06:07 |
| holstein | http://ppa.launchpad.net/abogani/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/l/ | 06:08 |
| tanders12 | you said the realtime headers didnt't install for you either, didnt you? | 06:08 |
| holstein | oh yeah | 06:08 |
| holstein | http://ppa.launchpad.net/abogani/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-lowlatency/ | 06:08 |
| holstein | probably just a bad link that guy copied and pasted | 06:09 |
| tanders12 | whats meta? | 06:09 |
| holstein | i didnt DL the lowlatency from there earlier | 06:09 |
| holstein | i just added it | 06:09 |
| holstein | tanders12: meta-data ? maybe | 06:10 |
| holstein | im not too sure about building kernels | 06:10 |
| holstein | and what all the components do/are | 06:10 |
| holstein | you probably just need the image and header | 06:10 |
| tanders12 | im confused | 06:12 |
| holstein | by all those files ;) | 06:12 |
| tanders12 | do i want kernel-image* or just straight image*? | 06:12 |
| tanders12 | and what does pae mean? | 06:12 |
| holstein | http://ppa.launchpad.net/abogani/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-lowlatency/linux-headers-2.6.37-11-lowlatency_2.6.37-11.25~ppa1_i386.deb | 06:13 |
| tanders12 | abogani's a busy guy... | 06:13 |
| holstein | i386 is you | 06:13 |
| holstein | yeah | 06:13 |
| holstein | PAE is physical adress extension | 06:14 |
| tanders12 | hm | 06:14 |
| holstein | im not totally sure what all that entails | 06:14 |
| holstein | BUT | 06:14 |
| holstein | you can run over 4 GBs of ram | 06:14 |
| holstein | on a 32bit box | 06:14 |
| holstein | IF the motherboard supports PAE | 06:14 |
| holstein | i have used a PAE kernel before though | 06:14 |
| tanders12 | ah ok | 06:15 |
| tanders12 | id really love to build a dedicated audio machine, rather than running off this lapto | 06:15 |
| holstein | eh | 06:16 |
| holstein | someday maybe :) | 06:16 |
| holstein | i like laptops | 06:16 |
| holstein | if they are powerful enough | 06:16 |
| holstein | they tend to be quieter | 06:16 |
| tanders12 | yeah | 06:16 |
| holstein | and more portable | 06:16 |
| tanders12 | is that what you run? | 06:16 |
| holstein | somebody gave me a desktop box | 06:17 |
| holstein | and it ended up being quiet | 06:17 |
| tanders12 | ah | 06:17 |
| holstein | some emachines | 06:17 |
| tanders12 | lol | 06:17 |
| holstein | that has decent specs | 06:17 |
| holstein | i like it alright actually | 06:17 |
| holstein | i have a decent netbook too | 06:17 |
| tanders12 | im toying with the idea of buiding a fanless/"silent" pc based of the new AMD fusions for audio | 06:17 |
| holstein | that i can use the firepod wih | 06:18 |
| holstein | with* | 06:18 |
| holstein | and a larger notebook im trying to save | 06:18 |
| holstein | and access to a macbook if i need | 06:18 |
| holstein | tanders12: ive always wanted to do that | 06:18 |
| holstein | fanless | 06:18 |
| tanders12 | ive got a couple old p4s laying around but I wasnt sure if they could handle audio | 06:18 |
| holstein | yeah | 06:18 |
| holstein | they can | 06:18 |
| holstein | i had a P4 box doing it til recently actually | 06:19 |
| tanders12 | actually did my first arch install on one | 06:19 |
| holstein | nice :) | 06:19 |
| tanders12 | maybe ill go all the way and try to get it running with my hardware | 06:19 |
| tanders12 | man i love all the software available for audio for linux | 06:19 |
| holstein | its great | 06:20 |
| tanders12 | are there any limitations, other than commercial VST, vs windoze and mac? | 06:20 |
| holstein | so many options | 06:20 |
| holstein | hardware really | 06:20 |
| holstein | thats it usually | 06:20 |
| tanders12 | yeah | 06:20 |
| holstein | ardour doesnt limit anything | 06:20 |
| tanders12 | usb 2.0 | 06:20 |
| holstein | sooperlooper too | 06:20 |
| holstein | you can just keep adding whatever til you're machine cries ;) | 06:21 |
| tanders12 | im really hoping linux gets in on usb 3.0 audio | 06:21 |
| holstein | not sure about USB 2.0 | 06:21 |
| holstein | but im not a fan of the USB audio anyways | 06:21 |
| tanders12 | linux support for it in the audio world is 0 | 06:21 |
| tanders12 | yeah im glad i got fw working | 06:21 |
| tanders12 | btw are all your fw chipsets ti or have you had luck with others? | 06:21 |
| holstein | i have a VIA that works good too | 06:22 |
| holstein | but i got TI's mostly | 06:22 |
| holstein | a couple PCI TI's im hanging on to | 06:22 |
| tanders12 | thats another reason i wanna keep this laptop rather than upgrading to a new one | 06:22 |
| holstein | and the VIA | 06:22 |
| tanders12 | that's smart | 06:22 |
| holstein | and a TI mini PCMCIA express | 06:22 |
| holstein | or whatever the call those | 06:23 |
| holstein | TI on that notebook im trying to save too | 06:23 |
| tanders12 | ive heard that those dont always work because they are still controlled by the main chipset? | 06:23 |
| holstein | the express cards? | 06:23 |
| tanders12 | yeah | 06:23 |
| holstein | not sure... i had 7 days to return this one | 06:24 |
| holstein | and it works great | 06:24 |
| tanders12 | hm | 06:24 |
| holstein | i got it so i could use the netbook with the firepod | 06:24 |
| tanders12 | and cat /proc/interrupts shows TI? | 06:24 |
| holstein | tanders12: yours? | 06:24 |
| holstein | firewire-ohci | 06:25 |
| tanders12 | no on yours when you run it on your netbook | 06:25 |
| holstein | i think thats going to be it | 06:25 |
| holstein | OH | 06:25 |
| holstein | id have to look | 06:25 |
| tanders12 | sorry | 06:25 |
| tanders12 | i meant | 06:25 |
| holstein | its in there somewhere | 06:25 |
| tanders12 | lspci | 06:25 |
| holstein | and it didnt xrun so i didnt look | 06:25 |
| holstein | yeah, its TI | 06:25 |
| tanders12 | cool | 06:25 |
| holstein | i searched around for it | 06:25 |
| holstein | it was 60 bucks or so too :/ | 06:26 |
| tanders12 | k imma reboot and try the lowlatency one. it wouldn't install the headers but the kernel installed so we'll see... | 06:26 |
| holstein | tanders12: im going to catch the new IT crowd | 06:26 |
| holstein | and then some ZZzzzZZZzz | 06:26 |
| holstein | lemme know how it goes :) | 06:26 |
| tanders12 | k have fun and thanks | 06:26 |
| illspecko | i need help with rme digi 9652, i think it's the module that has to be fixed. any one? | 15:22 |
| robert00 | anyone know how to pull up bios on an acer 5610Z,, i'm downloading 10.10 now | 15:40 |
| ailo | robert00, I would recommend you to try 10.04 instead, depending on your needs. | 16:07 |
| holstein | illspecko: im running out the door, but try #opensourcemusicians :) | 16:37 |
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