[01:33] <tanders12> holstein: you in?
[02:02] <holstein> tanders12: hey
[02:02] <holstein> w0w
[02:02] <holstein> sooperlooper is FUN
[02:57] <tanders12> holstein: listened to your openmusician podcast today
[02:57] <tanders12> and read your blog
[03:01] <holstein> AH
[03:11] <tanders12> good stuff
[03:12] <tanders12> ive played violin for 10 years and never understood hardly any theory
[03:12] <tanders12> but now that im learning guitar i figure it's about time
[03:25] <holstein> tanders12: hey, thanks :)
[03:25] <holstein> feel free and comment at the blog and ask whatever
[03:39] <tanders12> yeah np
[03:39] <tanders12> i love theory. almost makes me wanna switch my major. i would if there was any money in teaching
[05:50] <tanders12> holstein: hey you still around?
[05:51] <holstein> tanders12: yo
[05:51] <tanders12> wanna help me troubleshoot my xruns? :D
[05:51] <holstein> did you say you have a TI chipset?
[05:52] <holstein> the other one is looking at
[05:52] <holstein> cat /proc/interrupts
[05:53] <holstein> and see what all is on the same IRQ as the firewire
[05:53] <tanders12> 16:     564157          0   IO-APIC-fasteoi   firewire_ohci, yenta, i915
[05:53] <tanders12> what's an irg?
[05:53] <tanders12> IRQ**
[05:54] <holstein> OH yeah
[05:54] <tanders12> nvr
[05:54] <holstein> i remember looking at that with tou
[05:54] <tanders12> it means interrupt request
[05:54] <holstein> yenta is the PCMCIA
[05:54] <holstein> and i915 is graphic
[05:54] <tanders12> lol i had the page open in my browser that explains irqs
[05:54] <tanders12> yeah you're right
[05:54] <tanders12> we did look at it
[05:54] <holstein> probably not great that graphics and the firewire are together
[05:54] <holstein> that can matter
[05:54] <holstein> how much?
[05:54] <holstein> who knows
[05:54] <tanders12> just a little
[05:55] <tanders12> atm i don't even have an rt kernel running
[05:55] <holstein> OH
[05:55] <holstein> that'll do it
[05:55] <holstein> that'll help
[05:55] <holstein> RT kernel
[05:55] <holstein> the IRQ thing
[05:55] <tanders12> yeah
[05:55] <holstein> and realistic expectations
[05:55] <holstein> i can get down to 1.2
[05:55] <tanders12> is natty rt kernel the only way to go for maverick?
[05:56] <tanders12> ms?
[05:56] <holstein> but i cant run a whole bunch of stuff like that
[05:56] <holstein> yeah
[05:56] <tanders12> wow
[05:56] <holstein> i have different profiles
[05:56] <tanders12> me want :)
[05:56] <holstein> one for around 2.4ms
[05:56] <holstein> thats for realtime processing/live-softsynths
[05:56] <tanders12> i don't need to run much, but tracking is important so I really need to get the lat down
[05:56] <holstein> then i have a kinda general purpose one
[05:57] <holstein> around 12ms
[05:57] <holstein> and a really high one
[05:57] <tanders12> pretty sure my af4 doesn't have hardware monitoring
[05:57] <holstein> around 60ms or so
[05:57] <holstein> for mixing
[05:57] <tanders12> hm
[05:57] <holstein> when i have all kinds of plugins going
[05:57] <holstein> and JAMin
[05:57] <tanders12> i set my buffer to 1024 and was still gettin xruns
[05:57] <holstein> tanders12: OH
[05:57] <holstein> thats not good
[05:57] <tanders12> things like minimizing ardour would through an xrun
[05:57] <holstein> BUT try the other kernel
[05:58] <holstein> i might get an xrun opening an app
[05:58] <tanders12> yeah about that
[05:58] <holstein> but when its running, its stable
[05:58] <tanders12> how's your natty kernel working out?
[05:58] <holstein> OH
[05:58] <holstein> i installed the -lowlatency one
[05:58] <holstein> from abogani's PPA
[05:58] <holstein> seems OK
[05:58] <tanders12> on maverick? or are you running natty?
[05:58] <holstein> that was natty
[05:59] <holstein> i wanted to test it out in there
[05:59] <tanders12> natty alpha or just the natty kernel?
[05:59] <holstein> both
[05:59] <holstein> i dont have anything installed there though
[05:59] <holstein> other than JACK
[05:59] <tanders12> i wouldn't mind trying out natyy
[05:59] <holstein> so ill have acutally try something over there soon
[06:00] <holstein> BUT it seemed to load and run like normal
[06:00] <holstein> at around 5ms latency
[06:00] <holstein> no xruns
[06:00] <tanders12> yeah the install im on right now is a 20gb partition dedicated for an audio testbed
[06:00] <holstein> the maverick install seems stable too
[06:00] <holstein> with that kernel i suggested to you
[06:00] <tanders12> with the natty kernel?
[06:00] <holstein> yup
[06:00] <holstein> the -realtime one
[06:00] <tanders12> you have that link again?
[06:00] <holstein> i didnt try the other one
[06:00] <holstein> sure...
[06:01] <holstein> http://jackschnippes.freeunix.net/index.php/2010/11/04/lowlatency-kernel-and-realtime-kernel-for-ubuntu-10-10-maverick
[06:01] <holstein> tanders12: you can try the low-latency one first if you want
[06:01] <holstein> thats the one i had in natty
[06:02] <tanders12> meh
[06:02] <holstein> wifi was working with it and all
[06:02] <holstein> if thats important
[06:02] <holstein> im sure the RT one is a little better
[06:02] <tanders12> id just as soon go for broke. like i said this install is dedicated to audio
[06:02] <tanders12> oh thats actually a good point
[06:02] <holstein> hell, try em both
[06:02] <holstein> wont hurt
[06:02] <holstein> they'll just be there in GRUB
[06:02] <holstein> and you can choose
[06:02] <holstein> wont hurt anything
[06:03] <holstein> you can always find em in synaptic and zap them if you want
[06:03] <holstein> my test box has a scrolling GRUB menu now ;)
[06:03] <holstein> i got 5 kernels in lucid, 2 in maverick and 3 in natty
[06:04] <tanders12> lol
[06:04] <tanders12> well that settles it, the links for the lowlatency are broke
[06:04] <tanders12> so rt it is
[06:04] <holstein> hmmm
[06:04] <holstein> i just DL'd them today
[06:04] <tanders12> btw, is there a difference between linux-rt and linux-realtime?
[06:04] <holstein> 32bit?
[06:04] <tanders12> yah
[06:04] <holstein> tanders12: not really
[06:04] <holstein> linux-rt was the official one
[06:05] <holstein> in the repos
[06:05] <holstein> when it was there
[06:05] <holstein> i think abogani just used -realtime for the testing branch he was making
[06:05] <holstein> tanders12: those links are working for me
[06:05] <tanders12> weird
[06:06] <holstein> i can put them up here if you need
[06:06] <tanders12> the first one works but both of the lowlatency ppa links don't
[06:06] <holstein> yeah, that ones bad :/
[06:07] <tanders12> its all good
[06:07] <tanders12> btw off topic but patchage is the shiz
[06:08] <holstein> http://ppa.launchpad.net/abogani/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/l/
[06:08] <tanders12> you said the realtime headers didnt't install for you either, didnt you?
[06:08] <holstein> oh yeah
[06:08] <holstein> http://ppa.launchpad.net/abogani/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-lowlatency/
[06:09] <holstein> probably just a bad link that guy copied and pasted
[06:09] <tanders12> whats meta?
[06:09] <holstein> i didnt DL the lowlatency from there earlier
[06:09] <holstein> i just added it
[06:10] <holstein> tanders12: meta-data ? maybe
[06:10] <holstein> im not too sure about building kernels
[06:10] <holstein> and what all the components do/are
[06:10] <holstein> you probably just need the image and header
[06:12] <tanders12> im confused
[06:12] <holstein> by all those files ;)
[06:12] <tanders12> do i want kernel-image* or just straight image*?
[06:12] <tanders12> and what does pae mean?
[06:13] <holstein> http://ppa.launchpad.net/abogani/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-lowlatency/linux-headers-2.6.37-11-lowlatency_2.6.37-11.25~ppa1_i386.deb
[06:13] <tanders12> abogani's a busy guy...
[06:13] <holstein> i386 is you
[06:13] <holstein> yeah
[06:14] <holstein> PAE is physical adress extension
[06:14] <tanders12> hm
[06:14] <holstein> im not totally sure what all that entails
[06:14] <holstein> BUT
[06:14] <holstein> you can run over 4 GBs of ram
[06:14] <holstein> on a 32bit box
[06:14] <holstein> IF the motherboard supports PAE
[06:14] <holstein> i have used a PAE kernel before though
[06:15] <tanders12> ah ok
[06:15] <tanders12> id really love to build a dedicated audio machine, rather than running off this lapto
[06:16] <holstein> eh
[06:16] <holstein> someday maybe :)
[06:16] <holstein> i like laptops
[06:16] <holstein> if they are powerful enough
[06:16] <holstein> they tend to be quieter
[06:16] <tanders12> yeah
[06:16] <holstein> and more portable
[06:16] <tanders12> is that what you run?
[06:17] <holstein> somebody gave me a desktop box
[06:17] <holstein> and it ended up being quiet
[06:17] <tanders12> ah
[06:17] <holstein> some emachines
[06:17] <tanders12> lol
[06:17] <holstein> that has decent specs
[06:17] <holstein> i like it alright actually
[06:17] <holstein> i have a decent netbook too
[06:17] <tanders12> im toying with the idea of buiding a fanless/"silent" pc based of the new AMD fusions for audio
[06:18] <holstein> that i can use the firepod wih
[06:18] <holstein> with*
[06:18] <holstein> and a larger notebook im trying to save
[06:18] <holstein> and access to a macbook if i need
[06:18] <holstein> tanders12: ive always wanted to do that
[06:18] <holstein> fanless
[06:18] <tanders12> ive got a couple old p4s laying around but I wasnt sure if they could handle audio
[06:18] <holstein> yeah
[06:18] <holstein> they can
[06:19] <holstein> i had a P4 box doing it til recently actually
[06:19] <tanders12> actually did my first arch install on one
[06:19] <holstein> nice :)
[06:19] <tanders12> maybe ill go all the way and try to get it running with my hardware
[06:19] <tanders12> man i love all the software available for audio for linux
[06:20] <holstein> its great
[06:20] <tanders12> are there any limitations, other than commercial VST, vs windoze and mac?
[06:20] <holstein> so many options
[06:20] <holstein> hardware really
[06:20] <holstein> thats it usually
[06:20] <tanders12> yeah
[06:20] <holstein> ardour doesnt limit anything
[06:20] <tanders12> usb 2.0
[06:20] <holstein> sooperlooper too
[06:21] <holstein> you can just keep adding whatever til you're machine cries ;)
[06:21] <tanders12> im really hoping linux gets in on usb 3.0 audio
[06:21] <holstein> not sure about USB 2.0
[06:21] <holstein> but im not a fan of the USB audio anyways
[06:21] <tanders12> linux support for it in the audio world is 0
[06:21] <tanders12> yeah im glad i got fw working
[06:21] <tanders12> btw are all your fw chipsets ti or have you had luck with others?
[06:22] <holstein> i have a VIA that works good too
[06:22] <holstein> but i got TI's mostly
[06:22] <holstein> a couple PCI TI's im hanging on to
[06:22] <tanders12> thats another reason i wanna keep this laptop rather than upgrading to a new one
[06:22] <holstein> and the VIA
[06:22] <tanders12> that's smart
[06:22] <holstein> and a TI mini PCMCIA express
[06:23] <holstein> or whatever the call those
[06:23] <holstein> TI on that notebook im trying to save too
[06:23] <tanders12> ive heard that those dont always work because they are still controlled by the main chipset?
[06:23] <holstein> the express cards?
[06:23] <tanders12> yeah
[06:24] <holstein> not sure... i had 7 days to return this one
[06:24] <holstein> and it works great
[06:24] <tanders12> hm
[06:24] <holstein> i got it so i could use the netbook with the firepod
[06:24] <tanders12> and cat /proc/interrupts shows TI?
[06:24] <holstein> tanders12: yours?
[06:25] <holstein> firewire-ohci
[06:25] <tanders12> no on yours when you run it on your netbook
[06:25] <holstein> i think thats going to be it
[06:25] <holstein> OH
[06:25] <holstein> id have to look
[06:25] <tanders12> sorry
[06:25] <tanders12> i meant
[06:25] <holstein> its in there somewhere
[06:25] <tanders12> lspci
[06:25] <holstein> and it didnt xrun so i didnt look
[06:25] <holstein> yeah, its TI
[06:25] <tanders12> cool
[06:25] <holstein> i searched around for it
[06:26] <holstein> it was 60 bucks or so too :/
[06:26] <tanders12> k imma reboot and try the lowlatency one. it wouldn't install the headers but the kernel installed so we'll see...
[06:26] <holstein> tanders12: im going to catch the new IT crowd
[06:26] <holstein> and then some ZZzzzZZZzz
[06:26] <holstein> lemme know how it goes :)
[06:26] <tanders12> k have fun and thanks
[15:22] <illspecko> i need help with rme digi 9652, i think it's the module that has to be fixed. any one?
[15:40] <robert00> anyone know how to pull up bios on an acer 5610Z,, i'm downloading 10.10 now
[16:07] <ailo> robert00, I would recommend you to try 10.04 instead, depending on your needs.
[16:37] <holstein> illspecko: im running out the door, but try #opensourcemusicians :)