[07:39] <Takyoji> If I want to report a bug regarding anything USB, which only appears after a specific kernel version; is the only option to just do regression testing between the revisions between the working and the first non-working version of the kernel?
[07:42] <Takyoji> In general: USB (USB flash drive, USB mouse, anything) stops working after a specific kernel version
[11:14] <kklimonda> does /var/log/apt/history.log contain a whole history of apt+aptitude+update-manager+software-center operations
[12:30] <wolfpack> i think this bug can marked as wishlist -----    "https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/700541"
[12:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 700541 in jockey (Ubuntu) "Switching between proprietary and open source drivers takes a long time (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[12:32] <kklimonda> 7xxxxx bug? it's party time!
[12:32] <kklimonda> oh, I'm two days late for the party :/
[12:34] <kklimonda> wolfpack: yup, I agree
[12:34] <kklimonda> wolfpack: done
[12:34] <wolfpack> thanks :)
[12:40] <penguin42> bah pity, bug 700000 is already marked as a dupe; it's a pity it's not an interesting one
[12:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 700000 in software-center (Ubuntu) "software-center crashed with IndexError in _build_view(): list index out of range (dup-of: 631415)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/700000
[12:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 631415 in software-center (Ubuntu) "software-center crashed with IndexError in _build_view() (affects: 4) (dups: 3) (heat: 49)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631415
[12:42] <kklimonda> penguin42: yeah - it should be something more epic :/
[14:37] <wolfpack> Should I convert this bug to a question as user is asking for support........https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/700653
[14:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 700653 in totem (Ubuntu) "it is not possible to take an screen photo (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[14:40] <gobbe> well, i would say that that's more support than bug
[14:43] <kklimonda> wolfpack: well, it is a bug report - the message should at least say why isn't it possible to take the screenshot, or it shouldn't be possible to take one at all.
[14:45] <kklimonda> Message like "Totem could not produce a screenshot from this movie" is almost as useless as "Error: Success" imo ;)
[14:46] <wolfpack> ok
[14:56] <greg-g> wolfpack: that could be a bug, he's not really asking for support, more saying, "this movie can't have a screenshot taken, please fix"
[14:57] <greg-g> wolfpack: next step would be to get a movie accessible to the developers that reproduces the problem, be careful with copyright concerns, though
[14:57] <greg-g> it should definitely be forwarded upstream, though
[14:59] <wolfpack> gre-g should I ask the reporter to up the file?
[15:00] <wolfpack> file is too big - 7gb
[15:00] <wolfpack> greg-g
[15:10] <greg-g> wolfpack: well, that is huge, maybe they could make another recording (it sounds like they did) of a smaller size that reproduces the problem.
[17:38] <charlie-tca> Note to triagers: LibreOffice from the PPA has bugs being filed in launchpad per developer's request:
[17:39] <charlie-tca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/651124/comments/15
[17:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 651124 in Ubuntu Natty (and 3 other projects) "[needs-packaging] LibreOffice Productivity Suite (affects: 35) (heat: 225)" [Wishlist,In progress]
[17:41] <penguin42> hmm it's good to see that getting packaged
[17:42] <charlie-tca> yes, but bugs will go against "ubuntu"
[17:45] <kklimonda> that's bad - should we tag them somehow for the time being?
[17:45] <yofel> charlie-tca: any tag to categorize them by? since we have no package
[17:45] <kklimonda> ach, lo33
[17:45] <kklimonda> yofel: ^
[17:45] <yofel> ah right
[17:46]  * yofel wonders why people don't use apport hooks at least for that :S
[17:46] <charlie-tca> which means we have to really watch out for those bugs not having a package?
[17:47] <kklimonda> charlie-tca: well, if you stumle upon bug that mentiones LibreOffice from ppa and misses the "lo33" tag you should add it.
[17:47]  * penguin42 assumes they didn't like being called Loo
[17:47]  * hggdh votes for calling them loo
[17:48] <charlie-tca> +1 for loo
[17:48] <penguin42> then you can read your documents on the loo
[17:48] <hggdh> yup
[17:49] <hggdh> or we can tag them wc (translating to American English)
[17:50] <kklimonda> interesting, first time I've heard this word (loo)
[17:51] <penguin42> haha, possibly a UKism
[17:51] <kklimonda> indeed
[17:51] <kklimonda>     (colloquial, Australian, New Zealand, UK, India) toilet
[17:51] <kklimonda> from wiktionary
[17:51] <kklimonda> so it's probably wrong ;)
[17:52] <hggdh> ah well, I tried
[17:52] <hggdh> ;-)
[20:01] <ElPasmo> Hi people, I need help with bug 428231. Dev said that they won't fix it... so... should I set it to won't fix directly? Can anyone double-check before I do?
[20:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 428231 in azureus (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Badly under-reports bandwidth usage. (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/428231
[20:06] <charlie-tca> I fail to find anything saying they won't fix it
[20:08] <ElPasmo> https://jira.vuze.com/browse/SUP-138 the bug is resolved with a comment of Alon Rohter
[20:08] <ElPasmo> The resolution is Not a bug...
[20:09] <ElPasmo> Is not that enough? :)
[20:11] <kklimonda> heh, Transmission dev has spent months on the same bug reported against his soft..
[20:12] <kklimonda> we close it as invalid recently
[20:13] <ElPasmo> So... should I proceed with a won't fix? or an invalid?
[20:25] <kklimonda> ElPasmo: whatever suits your fancy - one way or another people will complain ;)
[20:29] <ElPasmo> I see
[20:29] <ElPasmo> Thanks for the help, both of you :)
[20:32]  * ElPasmo thinks bug 700758 is ready to be set Triaged with a low importance. Can someone do it for him?
[20:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 700758 in gwibber (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Posting to Facebook only shouldn't show character count (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/700758
[20:34] <yofel> ElPasmo: that should be reported upstream before being set to triaged
[20:34] <daker> ElPasmo, yofel well Facebook has a limit of 255 character
[20:34] <daker> IMHO it should display the counter
[20:34] <yofel> then gwibber should use that as a limit
[20:35] <daker> for Twitter use 140 and for Facebook use 255
[20:35] <ElPasmo> yofel, I think I have reported... there it is... is there another upstream? :)
[20:36] <yofel> gwibber is a gnome app afaik, let me check
[20:36] <kklimonda> yofel: it's hosted on LP
[20:36] <kklimonda> unless it changed recently
[20:36] <yofel> oh, ok, I was wrong then
[20:39] <yofel> ElPasmo: you can still send the message even if it's longer than 140 chars to facebook?
[20:40] <ElPasmo> I think so... gonna check
[20:42] <ElPasmo> yofel the answer is yes... I can still send the message.
[20:42] <yofel> ok, then low should be fine
[20:42] <ElPasmo> :)
[20:46]  * ElPasmo thinks bug 690650 is ready to be set as Wishlist. Can someone do it for him?
[20:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 690650 in evince (Ubuntu) "Evince should remember settings automatically (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/690650
[20:54] <yofel> ElPasmo: done
[20:54] <ElPasmo> Thanks yofel
[20:54] <yofel> was looking upstream and found gnome bug 510444 - does anyone get that report?
[20:54]  * ElPasmo thinks bug 699893 is ready to be set as Triaged with a Low importance. Can someone do it for him?
[20:54] <ubot2> Gnome bug 510444 in general "Last used setting is confusing" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=510444
[20:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 699893 in gnome-games (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "AisleRiot: Card style will not install properly (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/699893
[20:55] <ElPasmo> let me see
[20:56] <ElPasmo> yup, I found it, but It seems to me a very bad description... you think we have to link it as upstream report?
[20:56] <yofel> well, the bug should be reported upstream, but I wonder if a new bug would be better since I'm confused by that IRC log snippet
[20:59] <yofel> let me try something about that game..
[21:00] <ElPasmo> Yes, I can understand that... I sincerely don't know...
[21:00] <ElPasmo> I think is better a new, and best described bug, than that....
[21:00] <ElPasmo> But I don't know :(
[21:00] <yofel> probably, you can reference that other bug maybe, the gnome bugsquad will look at it then
[21:02] <ElPasmo> Ok, the thing is I'm not willing to pushing that bug upstream for myself... it's ok to leave as it is right now and wait if the reportar want to push it? isn't it?
[21:03] <yofel> sure, or someone else will do it
[21:03] <yofel> about that gnome-games bug: I wonder if that's a bug in ubuntu since we don't have the gnome-packagekit they mention - the game works perfectly fine in Kubuntu using kpackagekit
[21:04] <yofel> can someone else look at that too please?
[21:05] <charlie-tca> looks like a missing recommends, since the required package is not installed automatically.
[21:05] <ElPasmo> Yes, in fact they are asking me that right now... but I'm pretty new in  this and I'm not very sure so I'm trying to respond the best I can upstream :P
[21:06] <charlie-tca> If you install "gnome-packagekit" in Ubuntu, does the style changer work?
[21:08] <ElPasmo> I have no gnome-packagekit :P I have packagekit... packagekit-gnome... Are you talking about one of those?
[21:08] <charlie-tca> If it works with that package added, it is an ubuntu bug
[21:08] <charlie-tca> packagekit-gnome
[21:08] <ElPasmo> Ok, I'll check right now
[21:08] <ElPasmo> give 2 min
[21:14] <ElPasmo> no joy charlie-tca, with packagekit-gnome installed I've got no reaction to the Install card styles menu item...
[21:14] <ElPasmo> Before a window poped up, now nothing
[21:15] <charlie-tca> heh, that would be worse than?
[21:15] <ElPasmo> I think so...
[21:16] <ElPasmo> If I  run from a terminal I got a Failed to load module "pk-gtk-module" message... but only one time and I don't know if this happened without the packagekit-gnome installed
[21:17] <charlie-tca> guessed wrong. gnome-packagekit is part of packagekit
[21:19] <ElPasmo> Well, now I  have the daemon installed: packagekit, libpackagekit-glib2-13, packagekit-backend-aptcc, packagekit-gnome and python-packagekit
[21:19] <ElPasmo> I'm sorry, I meant libpackagekit-glib2-14
[21:20] <charlie-tca> did it work now?
[21:20] <ElPasmo> no no...
[21:20] <ElPasmo> My previous test was with all that installed
[21:21] <ElPasmo> There are the dependencies of the packagekit-gnome :)
[21:21] <ElPasmo> they are*
[21:24] <charlie-tca> packagekit should allow the styles to work
[21:25] <ElPasmo> It seems is not doing it right
[21:26] <charlie-tca> I don't even get a pop-up window. I just get a silent fail
[21:26] <ElPasmo> yup
[21:27] <charlie-tca> I would leave a comment on the gnome bug that it does not work, even with gnome-packagekit installed. In fact, it fails to even pop up the window with it.
[21:28] <ElPasmo> I just did that :)
[21:28] <charlie-tca> :-)
[21:28] <ElPasmo> (too fast for you) :PPP
[21:28] <ElPasmo> Well I have to go... thanks a lot for all the helping :)
[21:29] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[21:29] <charlie-tca> Thanks for trying