[01:32] <i-pink> hii all
[01:35] <i-pink> what i can do about "dependencies" problem
[01:38] <penguin42> depends on the problem
[01:38] <i-pink> this is the error
[01:40] <i-pink> http://pastebin.com/qdKAkj5Z
[01:41] <i-pink> i try to do  sudo apt-get update
[01:42] <i-pink> but it not help me..
[01:47] <penguin42> what happens if you do apt-get install libqt4-svg
[01:49] <i-pink> http://pastebin.com/p7wVVpkz
[01:50] <i-pink> this is the error^
[01:52] <penguin42> do a sudo apt-get update   and then try it again?
[01:52] <penguin42> are you running with any ppas or the like?
[01:53] <i-pink> i have tried that.. but i get the same problem..
[01:53] <penguin42> on 10.10/maverick?
[01:55] <penguin42> ah - lucid?
[01:55] <i-pink> on ubutnu 10.04 LTS
[01:55] <i-pink> 64 bit
[01:55] <penguin42> http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid-updates/libqt4-svg shows that there is a libqt4-svg version 4.6.2-0ubuntu5.1 in lucid-updates that is dependent on the 4.6.2-0ubuntu5.1 that it's trying to install
[01:56] <i-pink> so i need to make update to my ubuntu?
[01:57] <penguin42> no, the fact that it's trying to install some 4.6.2-0ubuntu5.1 means it should be trying them all
[01:57] <penguin42> what version of libqt4-svg is it trying to install?
[01:57]  * penguin42 needs to go to bed - it's nearly 2am
[01:57] <i-pink> 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu5
[01:58] <penguin42> ok, it should be installing 4.6.2-0ubuntu5.1 I think
[01:58] <penguin42> right, bed
[02:18] <Pr0ph3t> How long will I have to wait before I can use that 3G modem on Linux
[08:47] <popey> AlanBell: http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/09/marvell-powered-olpc-xo-1-75-only-draws-2-watts-of-power-finall/
[08:47] <popey> looks familiar :)
[08:49] <lazarus_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tajPROM8wk&feature=related awesome
[08:49] <popey> lies
[08:50] <popey> http://youtu.be/cLgu-NR3kQg <- ubuntu powered table computer.. that's awesome :)
[08:57] <AlanBell> yeah, that is the 1.75, same case, different mobo
[09:06] <czajkowski> Aloha folks
[09:10] <MooDoo> morning czajkowski how are you on this fine sunday morning?
[09:10] <czajkowski> MooDoo: grand kinda wishing my body learnt how to sleep more than 6 hrs though
[09:11] <MooDoo> czajkowski: yeah i know that feeling well, and now i'm at work with coffee :S
[09:11] <czajkowski> MooDoo: long weekend working
[09:11] <MooDoo> czajkowski: yeah, it's my turn for working the weekend and next two weeks i'm on 3:30 - midnight :(
[09:12] <czajkowski> oucies
[09:12] <czajkowski> ouchies even
[09:12] <MooDoo> ;)
[09:52] <Laney> morning
[09:55] <kvarley> On 10.10 while loading a game I get error "error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5". I think 10.10 has the .6 version, is there a way I can do a symbollic link?
[09:56] <Laney> poor phineas :(
[09:58] <popey> s/poor/timewasting lying troll/
[09:58] <Laney> haha
[09:58]  * Laney is learning the recorder!
[09:59] <Laney> only 20 years too late
[09:59]  * popey blocks his ears
[09:59] <Laney> http://arta-recorder.org/ #quality
[10:00] <czajkowski> flash back to primary scholl it was compulsory we learnt it
[10:01]  * MooDoo has a flute, but hasn't picked it up in years
[10:05] <pr0ph3t> hi all, how do I check whether I am running a specific driver or not?
[10:06] <popey> driver for what?
[10:06] <pr0ph3t> it's called asus_laptop
[10:06] <pr0ph3t> it's for specific asus laptops hardware
[10:07] <MooDoo> pr0ph3t: which part of it?  screen?  hdd?  ports?
[10:07] <pr0ph3t> MooDoo, wifi, wwan controls
[10:07] <pr0ph3t> part of the driver should control the radio on off of my 3g card
[10:08] <pr0ph3t> basically there is a file called wwan which either contains 1 for on, or 0 for off
[10:08] <MooDoo> can't you try grepping for it in dmesg?
[10:09] <livingdaylight> good mornning
[10:10] <pr0ph3t> MooDoo, I could if I knew how to :P
[10:13] <MooDoo> pr0ph3t: get to a prompt and type dmesg | grep <something>   replace the something with what ever you want to look for, for example intel wireless you could put ipw
[10:13] <MooDoo> other than that, not sure
[10:14] <pr0ph3t> MooDoo, this is not the same as pipe is it? "¦"
[10:14] <MooDoo> yes it's a pipe
[10:16] <pr0ph3t> MooDoo, but this "¦" isn't a pipe
[10:16] <livingdaylight> my volume control appears ot have disappeared from my panel?
[10:16] <livingdaylight> I see the wireless icon ; date and time and username with logout options... but where is the volume control?
[10:17] <popey> pr0ph3t: that is a pipe
[10:17] <pr0ph3t> popey, it works different though, right?
[10:18] <popey> oh, sorry
[10:18] <MooDoo> pr0ph3t: just use the one to the left of the Z key, on the backslash [depending on your keyboard]
[10:18] <MooDoo> pr0ph3t: my fault, it all looks the same to me :)
[10:18] <pr0ph3t> doh
[10:18] <pr0ph3t> no it's my fault I'm blind
[10:18] <pr0ph3t> thanks
[10:18] <popey> :)
[10:20] <Andy_> Does anyone know how to set the gamma from boot in maverick? I have a thinkpad with an integrated intel card.
[10:20] <Andy_> tried creating xorg.conf, it gets processed but gamma settings are ignored
[10:22] <livingdaylight> searching in Add to panel I don't see a volume icon?
[10:24] <livingdaylight> I don't know what happened to my volume control but it's disappeared from my panel AND i don't seem to be able to add a new applet from AddtoPanel either?
[10:25] <MooDoo> livingdaylight: is this after a crash or does it happen when you reboot, or would a killall gnome-panel put it back when it restarts?
[10:25] <Andy_> Volume is part of the indicator applet??
[10:25] <MooDoo> livingdaylight: http://www.virtualhelp.me/linux/107-volume-controlicon-is-gone-ubuntu-1004
[10:25] <livingdaylight> MooDoo, gonna try killall gnome-panel... but i noticed it yesterday and rebooting today hasn't fixed it
[10:26] <livingdaylight> I"ve just been told to add the indicator applet
[10:26] <livingdaylight> Andy_, sounds like it (no pun intended)
[10:26] <MooDoo> livingdaylight: yeah the link i sent says install that if you've not got it installed
[10:27] <livingdaylight> thanks guys... adding 'indicator' applet seems to have restsored volume controler on panel
[10:27] <MooDoo> yay o/
[10:27] <Andy_> :)
[10:28] <livingdaylight> *scary moment! :P
[10:29] <MooDoo> livingdaylight: lol :)
[10:37] <pr0ph3t> ok this is the paste bin of syslog when I try to connect with my 3g modem, any ideas why it fails? http://pastebin.com/qHgFryt5
[10:38] <pr0ph3t> that's just the part specific to the 3g connection actually
[10:38] <pr0ph3t> not the whole file
[10:40] <pr0ph3t> any help or suggestion would be much appreciated, I am running natty narwhal fully up to date
[10:41] <MooDoo> pr0ph3t: wouldn't have a clue i'm afraid, i've not even thought about natty yet
[10:42] <pr0ph3t> MooDoo, I think it manages the connection in the same way as maverick does
[10:43] <pr0ph3t> any ideas about the lines 12-13?
[10:44] <MooDoo> non sorry
[10:45] <pr0ph3t> so modem manager opens the device ttyUSB0, in an instant changes the status from disabled to enabling
[10:45] <pr0ph3t> 4 seconds later it changes it to eanbling to disabled
[10:45] <pr0ph3t> anabling*
[10:46] <pr0ph3t> nooo
[10:46] <MooDoo> pr0ph3t: take a look at this, see if it helps at all - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1531259
[10:46] <pr0ph3t> enabling*
[10:46] <MooDoo> yes i'm just looking in google :)
[10:48] <pr0ph3t> MooDoo, I tried sakis3g as well
[11:07] <jacobw> !ping
[11:09] <Laney> really
[11:11] <pr0ph3t> re all
[11:12] <pr0ph3t> I think I found the problem
[11:12] <jacobw> Table tennis players get very annoyed if you call it ping pong
[11:12] <jacobw> Even more annoyed than RMS if you don't say GNU/Linux
[11:12] <pr0ph3t> at boot I get the message "NetworkManager[578]: <info> WWAN now disabled by radio killswitch"
[11:13] <pr0ph3t> so it is a NetworkManager bug, because it activates it and then disables it for no apparent reason
[11:14] <pr0ph3t> I mean it happens everytime at boot, so it's not me pressing the wrong button or something
[11:18] <pr0ph3t> package NetworkManager doesn't exist? what's it called then?
[11:22] <pr0ph3t> is it network-manager?
[11:23] <niall> Hi. I need Ubuntu to support my 6-port serial card. I modified /etc/grub.d/40_custom to add a boot option with some extra kernel options, "config_serial_8250_runtime_uarts=6   config_serial_nr_uarts=6" --- this did not change the listings in /dev, I still only see ttyS0 through ttyS3. Can anyone help? I have posted relevant info with appropriate omissions here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/552138/
[11:34] <jenkins> anyone familiar with joomla? I am trying to create a website using a template which I have uploaded, installed and chosen it in Extensions > Template manager but when i visit the site ip (a local one) i don't get any webpage
[11:46] <pr0ph3t> I filed a bug report, let's see the power of the open source community now :P
[11:47] <AlanBell> bug number?
[11:47] <pr0ph3t> AlanBell, bug #700627
[11:48] <AlanBell> does the wireless work in Windows?
[11:48] <pr0ph3t> you suggested I should file it, yes I mention that in the bug report
[11:48] <pr0ph3t> I tried to solve it myself
[11:50] <pr0ph3t> but I've run out of ideas
[11:55] <pr0ph3t> I mean it may well be that I didn't do something right, but I think it should be seamless the mobile broadband connection just like it is for other 3g modems
[11:56] <pr0ph3t> I should probably check if the problem is the same in maverick right? or not?
[11:58] <bigcalm> Hi Peeps
[12:01] <Jibadeeha> just tried screenlets and once again i still cannot find a possible use for it
[12:01] <popey> hi bigcalm
[12:01] <popey> bigcalm: last weeks graze box arrived on friday then this weeks arrived yesterday
[12:02] <bigcalm> popey: it's a bit of a joke. Maybe I'll give RM a little longer to settle before taking drastic action
[12:04] <popey> i dont find it that bad
[12:04] <popey> understandable over xmas
[12:04] <bigcalm> Of course
[12:05] <bigcalm> Post seems to have been the only disrupted service here
[12:09] <pr0ph3t> do you know a nice guide to connect two devices with SSH in the same network safely?
[12:13] <bigcalm> Could you be a little more specific?
[12:21] <pr0ph3t> bigcalm, I have a nokia n97 with PuTTY and I want to connect to my laptop running ubuntu 11.04 64 bit
[12:21] <bigcalm> So what's wrong with running sshd on the Ubuntu box and connecting to it from the phone?
[12:22] <pr0ph3t> using the same wifi connection
[12:22] <KrimZon> the wireless router or access point might need configuring to allow two wireless devices to talk to each other
[12:22] <pr0ph3t> bigcalm, that it's not installed I guess, I'll try that thanks
[12:23] <KrimZon> if it doesn't work straight away
[12:23] <directhex> apt:openssh-server
[12:23] <bigcalm> open-ssh-server
[12:23] <bigcalm> --
[12:24] <bigcalm> KrimZon: I would be shocked to find a wifi router that doesn't allow internal traffic by default
[12:24] <pr0ph3t> ok I installed it
[12:25] <KrimZon> bigcalm: i've had one or two that didn't, but only for wireless
[12:26] <brobostigon> afternoonings all
[12:26] <bigcalm> pr0ph3t: make sure the service is running and test it by ssh localhost
[12:27] <pr0ph3t> bigcalm, working
[12:28] <bigcalm> Good show
[12:28] <bigcalm> Find out the ip address of the ubuntu box with ifconfig and then try connecting to it from your phone
[12:28] <pr0ph3t> doing it right now
[12:29] <pr0ph3t> but I get access denied
[12:30] <MooDoo> pr0ph3t: sudo?
[12:32] <pr0ph3t> trying to access the laptop from the phone
[12:32] <MooDoo> ah
[12:39] <MichealH> Hey all :D
[12:47] <pr0ph3t> I need a password to connect to the laptop from my phone, is it the password I use to login or something I need to setup somewhere else?
[12:48] <pr0ph3t> which password is it?
[12:48] <dutchie> login password
[12:49] <pr0ph3t> dutchie, do I need to create one for the new user?
[12:49] <pr0ph3t> for the phone username I mean
[12:50] <pr0ph3t> because if I use the laptop login password it doesn't connect
[12:50] <pr0ph3t> access denied
[12:50] <dutchie> you mean a separate user just for the phone to ssh to?
[12:50] <pr0ph3t> yes
[12:50] <dutchie> should be usual ubuntu username and password
[12:50] <dutchie> you could create a separate user, but it wouldn't be much use
[12:50] <pr0ph3t> so I need to change username
[12:51] <pr0ph3t> on the phone
[12:51] <dutchie> probably
[12:52] <pr0ph3t> yes
[12:52] <pr0ph3t> thanks
[12:54] <pr0ph3t> this is great
[12:58] <pr0ph3t> and can I send a command line to be executed on the laptop console?
[12:58] <pr0ph3t> with like > or similar
[13:02] <brobostigon> whats happened.peoplenot putting subjectlineswhen sending things to the mailing list.
[13:11] <dutchie> pr0ph3t: what do you mean "on the laptop console"? you have a perfectly good shell with ssh
[13:14] <Azelphur> hehe, been building my PC for a few days now :D
[13:14] <Azelphur> fun fun \o/
[13:14] <Azelphur> I run my changes through a power supply calculator and I need an 833w psu before overclocking >.<
[13:15] <Azelphur> so I'm gonna fork out for a 1.2kw psu \o/
[13:17] <marsilainen> need your own power station for that
[13:17] <marsilainen> what takes all that power??
[13:17] <marsilainen> I'm trying to get away with 350W on my new desktop :)
[13:20] <Azelphur> marsilainen: haha
[13:21] <Azelphur> marsilainen: i7 950 @ 3.06ghz, 3x4GB DDR3 1600Mhz, EVGA Superclocked GTX 570, 8800GT, 4 SATA2 10k rpm drives, 1 SSD, 10 USB devices
[13:22] <marsilainen> fair enough :)
[13:22] <Azelphur> hehe
[13:22] <Azelphur> I'm gonna pull it up on my 850w without the 8800GT
[13:22] <marsilainen> whereas I shall be having 1 HDD and the graphics will be on the motherboard
[13:22] <Azelphur> and see how fast it boots ;)
[13:23] <marsilainen> do your lights dim when you turn it on?
[13:23] <Azelphur> hahaha
[13:24] <Azelphur> marsilainen: probably best to ask if my lights dim when I turn all this on http://game.azelphur.com/forum/official-post-your-rig-thread
[13:24] <Azelphur> ;)
[13:25] <marsilainen> don't think you need any lights on with that lot going
[13:25] <Azelphur> indeed :D
[13:46] <jacobw> !ping
[13:47] <brobostigon> !moo
[13:47] <jacobw> !fail
[13:48] <bigcalm> !ding
[13:48] <jacobw> Hmm, I've lost my connection to Jabber
[13:48] <brobostigon> jacobw: any specific server ?
[13:49] <jacobw> I've just got the domain field in Pidgin set to jabber.org
[13:49] <jacobw> I suppose jabber.org is just one jabber server though
[13:49] <brobostigon> cant confirm, dont use that server.
[13:50] <Azelphur> hmm, I've tried 2 different livecds in my new pc, both of them show the ubuntu logo, drop to busybox and says "(initramfs) Unable to find a medium containing a live file system"
[13:50] <Azelphur> any ideas?
[13:50] <jacobw> Try a live USB?
[13:51] <Azelphur> if I can find where my USB drive got to xD
[13:51] <AlanBell> new CD drive?
[13:52] <Azelphur> old DVD but was working last I checked :p
[14:32] <pr0ph3t> can I execute commands to affect X on the server from an ssh client like putty on my phone? I.e. would be starting gedit, but on the server (my laptop)
[14:33] <pr0ph3t> a nice guide you think I should read?
[14:33] <dutchie> DISPLAY=:0 gedit
[14:33] <dutchie> that should work
[14:34] <pr0ph3t> dutchie: cannot open display
[14:34] <dutchie> hmm, not something i'm familiar with, i'm afraid
[14:34] <pr0ph3t> sorry
[14:34] <pr0ph3t> you were right I'm an idiot
[14:35] <pr0ph3t> thanks dutchie
[14:37] <penguin42> as well as DISPLAY you may have to do something with Xauth, which on modern ubuntu can be messy
[14:38] <pr0ph3t> penguin42, it works perfectly
[14:39] <pr0ph3t> on ubuntu 11.04
[14:39] <pr0ph3t> then it's a matter of controlling the keyboard
[14:39] <pr0ph3t> to edit the file :P
[14:43] <SilverGum> Hello I am trying to use wget command like this: "wget -r -v --level=0 -convert-links --page-requisites -domains http://tadamedia.com/MUSESITE/" But I am unable to download the images, CSS, JS or any other files except the index.html, could you please check and let me know, what I am doing wrong?
[14:44] <pr0ph3t> SilverGum, first thing I think -rv instead of -r -v?
[14:45] <SilverGum> Will that make a difference? But anyways, will try that
[14:45] <pr0ph3t> SilverGum, no idea, but if you give the output maybe
[14:45] <pr0ph3t> pastebin it, someone will have a look
[14:47] <SilverGum> pr0ph3t: http://pastebin.com/hAaikUdX
[14:48] <pr0ph3t> the output, as in the message you get from passing that command
[14:50] <SilverGum> http://pastebin.com/tg89dfYG
[14:51] <popey> no logging doesnt help
[14:52] <SilverGum> popey: The weird thing is that I get this command to work for another site?
[14:52] <popey> read the log
[14:52] <popey> you'll see why it fails
[14:52] <SilverGum> @all: I am a completely noob!
[14:53] <popey> its because the site owner has maintained a robots.txt
[14:53] <popey> which forbids what you're trying to do
[14:53] <SilverGum> popey: Which one are you referring?
[14:53] <popey> Not following http://tadamedia.com/MUSESITE/javascripts/jquery.easing.1.3.js because robots.txt forbids it.
[14:53] <popey> all of them
[14:53] <SilverGum> Can't we disregard the robotos.txt?
[14:53] <popey> you can set wget to ignore robots.txt, but thats rude
[14:53] <SilverGum> :)
[14:54] <popey> I'm sure you can figure it out from the man page but I'm not about to help you do that
[14:54] <SilverGum> Yes, I am a little too newbie, so I guess it is okay :)
[14:54] <SilverGum> popey:  :) Will try to find that, thanks for that tip!
[14:54] <SilverGum> Time to get 'rude' :)
[15:01] <SilverGum> popey: I just read that it is a 'crime' to pose wget as a browser!
[15:01] <SilverGum> ?
[15:02] <SilverGum> I mean in certain countries of course, but don't you think it is lame, though I perfectly understand that we are being 'rude' by downloading like that!
[15:21] <popey> SilverGum: I have a website and yeah, I'd be pretty annoyed if someone was wgetting the whole thing, its rude
[15:21] <SilverGum> popey: I don't disagree about the 'rudeness', but its pretty lame to classifying that as a crime
[15:22] <popey> i was not aware it was a crime
[15:23] <SilverGum> In whatever jurisdiction you are talking about. But, ya, we are living in a paranoid world in which making an internation call could get you executed publicly ;)
[15:23] <SilverGum> popey: Not in US
[15:23] <popey> I am not in the USA
[15:23] <brobostigon> i would be pretty pissed off if i found a copy of my website, out there somewhere,
[15:24] <popey> brobostigon: its not that people take a copy to duplicate the site, more often they are just lazy and figure it's easier to grab an entire site rather than the individual files they 'need'
[15:24] <brobostigon> popey: yes, i agree. i can imagine.
[15:25] <SilverGum> Anyways, thanks everyone. wget did the job. It was pretty neat copy :)
[15:32] <brobostigon>  http://code.google.com/p/moonblink/wiki/Tricorder :) cool,
[15:47] <pr0ph3t> re all
[15:49] <pr0ph3t> is it possible to use the keyboard on my putty client on the ssh server? the server is ubuntu and the client is my phone with putty and qwerty keyboard
[15:50] <pr0ph3t> so that I use the phone as a wireless keyboard
[15:54] <pr0ph3t> just like you set DISPLAY=:0 or something
[15:55] <dutchie> don't know if you can do that with ssh
[15:56] <dutchie> there are android apps that do it
[15:56] <pr0ph3t> sadly I only have symbian os
[15:57] <pr0ph3t> what protocol would they use?
[15:57] <pr0ph3t> obex?
[15:57] <niall> Hey guys. I've been trying all day to get my 6-port serial card to work. I've installed two different versions of the manufacturer supplied drivers, then the same drivers with a patch I found on the Ubuntu forum where someone else got it to work (With an older kernel). Ubuntu still boots with the 8250 serial support instead of using the manufacturer's module. I get /dev/ttyS[0-3] rather than ttyD[0-5] as hoped for. Also pa
[15:57] <niall> ssed parameter 8250.nr_uarts=6 via GRUB2 and it makes no difference. Can anyone help me troubleshoot this problem? Unfortunately 8250 seems built into the current kernel (in 10.10) rather than as a module, so hard for me to override it.. not knowing how to do it. Happy to pastebin any and all info required. Please give any advice you think might help, however remote.
[15:58] <dutchie> pr0ph3t: the one i've used pretends to be a bluetooth keyboard
[16:21] <X3N> Anyone know why the ubuntu-uk launchpad team became a moderated team last week?
[16:22] <czajkowski> X3N: ask Daviey ?
[16:23] <X3N> hmm this is new: "The team subscription policy cannot be Open Team because one or more if its super teams are not open."
[16:25] <gord> texas is cold :(
[16:25] <czajkowski> X3N: is this the team or the ML ?
[16:25] <czajkowski> gord: oh did you bring tea bags this time with you ?
[16:26] <X3N> team, it's being inherited from one of the memeber teams
[16:26] <czajkowski> hmmm
[16:26] <gord> czajkowski, i didn't :(
[16:27] <gord> i'm smart like that
[16:27] <czajkowski> gord: you'd think you'd have learnt by now
[16:27]  * czajkowski sips on her pg Tea :) 
[16:27]  * MooDoo sips on his english breakfast tea :p
[16:27]  * brobostigon sups onhis coffee
[16:28] <czajkowski> gord: how long are you there for ?
[16:29] <gord> just the week, not too long
[16:29] <czajkowski> gord: ah not soo bad!
[16:29] <czajkowski> large sprint ?
[16:29] <gord> platform sprint
[16:30] <daubers> gord: Ooooh... should we expect more unity goodness in the coming couple of weeks?
[16:31] <czajkowski> gord: ahh so a busy one
[16:31] <czajkowski> daubers: ELLO!
[16:31] <daubers> czajkowski: o/
[16:31] <gord> daubers, hopefully, holidays have slowed things down but things are picking up again
[16:31] <daubers> gord: \o/ I'm quite excited about unity. Once it's complete and stable it might help a few of my workflow issues :)
[16:32]  * AlanBell looks forward to ccsm not being crashy with unity
[16:33] <gord> ccsm? works fine here
[16:34] <gord> i'v seen it crash when starting plugins before, but thats not a unity issue
[16:35] <Azelphur> hmm, I just installed Ubuntu on my new PC, It goes through the BIOS and then it just hangs at a black flashing cursor
[16:37] <Azelphur> it runs live ok :S
[16:39] <Azelphur> anyone? o.O
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: strange.. what kind of disk controller does it have?
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> some on-board SATA thing?
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> can you see it in the bios?
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> on which port is it (number)
[16:41] <Azelphur> yes, on board sata
[16:41] <Azelphur> and yes I can see the HDD in the bios
[16:41] <Azelphur> it's on port 3.
[16:41] <Azelphur> correction, 4 :p
[16:42] <Azelphur> lol system date 2002
[16:42] <Azelphur> I should probably set up the bios properly, that might help
[16:42] <MartijnVdS> and it's not even loading grub?
[16:42] <Azelphur> nope, no grub no nothing.
[16:42] <Azelphur> just a blinking cursor.
[16:42] <MartijnVdS> wow :)
[16:47] <Azelphur> still just sits there :(
[16:52] <Azelphur> it boots from liveusb
[16:52] <Azelphur> and all the data seems to be on the hdd
[16:52] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: you could try re-installing grub in the MBR
[16:52] <MartijnVdS> that might work
[16:53] <MartijnVdS> or check if the bios is EFI/UEFI, and use some EFI boot loader thing (don't know about those really)
[16:53] <Azelphur> it may well be UEFI, it's very new equipment
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> sandy bridge cpu?
[17:00] <penguin42> Azelphur: 10.10 ?
[17:01] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: nope, i7 950
[17:01] <Azelphur> penguin42: yes
[17:02] <Azelphur> I'm trying a fresh install with only the SSD connected, so that way there can't be any issues with grub being on the wrong drive or other weirdness.
[17:05] <Azelphur> it's aliiiive
[17:05] <Azelphur> 2 second boot
[17:05] <Azelphur> woo.
[17:06] <Azelphur> excluding bios time
[17:06] <MartijnVdS> *\o/*
[17:06] <MartijnVdS> how many cores does that i7 have? :)
[17:07] <Azelphur> 4 or 8 with hyperthreading
[17:07] <MartijnVdS> cool
[17:13] <Azelphur> lol just timed it
[17:13] <Azelphur> 2 seconds seemed a little extreme
[17:13] <Azelphur> 24 seconds from bios to grub, 14 seconds from grub to login
[17:15] <daubers> Azelphur: What was the issue in the end?
[17:15] <moreati> Any empathy users here: is the contact list showing yourself as an online contact?
[17:15] <Azelphur> daubers: I dunno, I ripped all the other drives out and installed, it probably put grub on the wrong drive and it caused issues *shrug*
[17:16] <daubers> Azelphur: Not had a drive in that had previously had grub on it?
[17:16] <MooDoo> moreati: does the contact list show yourself as an online user??  no i don't think it does this
[17:16] <Azelphur> yes I did have a drive that previously had grub on it
[17:16] <daubers> That may have been it
[17:16] <daubers> MBR may not have been cleared correctly on that drive
[17:16] <Azelphur> maybe :)
[17:17] <Azelphur> but yea, 14 second boot :D
[17:17] <Azelphur> sweet.
[17:17] <moreati> MooDoo: To be clearer: mine is, I'm trying to work out if this is normal
[17:17] <MooDoo> moreati: strange, mine has never shown, then again i've never look at options to see if it's one
[17:26] <marsilainen> how do I set the date format that ubuntu/gnome uses?
[17:26] <marsilainen> all my dates show as 9/1/2011 or whatever
[17:27] <marsilainen> I'd like them to show as 2011-01-09
[17:27] <marsilainen> I thought that this would be in the preferences somewhere, but I can't seem to find it
[17:30] <moreati> marsilainen: I've just looked myself, seems eiher a surprising ommission or I missed it
[17:39] <moreati> marsilainen: do you want it changed everywhere, or just in the clock? if the former then http://choorucode.wordpress.com/2010/04/02/ubuntu-date-time-format-of-panel-clock/ looks promising
[17:40] <marsilainen> moreati: ideally I would like to change it everywhere that short format date shows up
[17:40] <marsilainen> moreati: so that it appears in ISO format in things like thunderbird too
[17:40] <marsilainen> I think that maybe the way is to change my LC_TIME environment variable
[17:46] <pr0ph3t> is there a command to show active ttys?
[17:46] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: ls /dev/tty* /dev/pty/* ?
[17:47] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: those exist.. but "active" in what way?
[17:47] <pr0ph3t> hi there
[17:48] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, I am running putty on my nokia connected to my ubuntu workstation with wifi
[17:48] <MartijnVdS> "tty's with logged-in people"? "w" or "who"
[17:49] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, and I am trying to find a way to use the remote keyboard on the server
[17:50] <MartijnVdS> why would you? just ssh into the machine and you can use it like you're sitting at it
[17:50] <czajkowski> gord: will Unity work/be usable on a mini 9 ?
[17:50] <MartijnVdS> you can't send keystrokes to other ttys (easily)
[17:50] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, that is what I am doing
[17:50] <MartijnVdS> done then
[17:51] <pr0ph3t> but I want to use it as the actual keyboard
[17:51] <pr0ph3t> so when I type something it doesn't go as a command but as a simple keystroke
[17:51] <MartijnVdS> that's not possible
[17:51] <MartijnVdS> unless it's X, but then you'd need to start a vnc server (and use a vnc client)
[17:52] <moreati> pr0ph3t: why do you want to do that? What are you trying to achieve?
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> moreati++
[17:52] <pr0ph3t> moreati, to use the nokia keyboard as a wireless keyboard
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: is it bluetooth? just connect the bluetooth.. done!
[17:53] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, it is bluetooth
[17:54] <pr0ph3t> but it is the phone keyboard, it's an n97 phone with a qwerty keyboard
[17:54] <moreati> 1) You have a Nokia gadget with a keyboard 2) You want a wireless keyboard
[17:54] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: so you set your keyboard in "discoverable" mode, then connect to it (using the bluetooth icon on your desktop)
[17:54] <MartijnVdS> ah
[17:54] <MartijnVdS> it's not a bluetooth keyboard
[17:54] <pr0ph3t> not
[17:54] <MartijnVdS> I don't think there's ready-made software to do this
[17:54] <pr0ph3t> dutchie said there is for android
[17:54] <moreati> I take it you concluded 3) I shall use the nokia as a keyboard
[17:55] <dutchie> PRemoteDroid is the android app i have used
[17:55] <moreati> pr0ph3t: I would suggest 3) buy a chepo wireless keyboard, save a lot of hassle
[17:56] <pr0ph3t> moreati, it's just for fun I think, a challenge
[17:56] <pr0ph3t> I have a wireless mouse and also I have a laptop
[17:56] <MartijnVdS> you'll have to write/get some software to install on the nokia that uses the Nokia's bluetooth system to present itself as a bluetooth keyboard
[17:57] <pr0ph3t> so I don't actually need it
[17:57] <MartijnVdS> good luck with that :)
[17:57] <moreati> MartijnVdS++
[17:57] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, so bluetooth would be easier you think
[17:57] <pr0ph3t> "easier"
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> getting a bluetooth keyboard will be easier.. doing it over ssh will be Hard
[17:58] <pr0ph3t> but what I thought in my rusty mind is that my nokia is acting a terminal, keyboard + monitor
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> (because ssh daemon doesn't know about your X session at all)
[17:58] <moreati> s/easier/the only possibility I can think of/
[17:58] <popey> X3N: i would imagine Daviey might know?
[17:59] <pr0ph3t> so my keystrokes are saved into a buffer, sent to the server, the command executed and then sent back to the terminal screen
[17:59] <pr0ph3t> the output
[18:00] <popey> X3N: i would also ask in #launchpad
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> that's what ssh is
[18:00] <pr0ph3t> yes
[18:01] <pr0ph3t> but if I could capture the text sent to the server
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> you can't
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> well you could start a program in an ssh session
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> but that program won't have a way to communicate with X
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> you could create a way, but it'll be messy
[18:02] <pr0ph3t> a bit like "Wake up Neo....."
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> movies aren't real
[18:02] <pr0ph3t> yes but you can replicate that
[18:03] <pr0ph3t> with the client server idea
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> I think you should try reading about the different ways in which input/output work in X and without X
[18:03] <ali1234> use uinput
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> then you'll understand it's harder than it seems
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: scary!
[18:04] <ali1234> http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-input@vger.kernel.org/msg00063.html
[18:04] <ali1234> it's actually trivial to do this
[18:04] <ali1234> http://svn.navi.cx/misc/trunk/inputpipe/uinput/uinput.txt
[18:05] <ali1234> http://codegrove.org/projects/python-uinput/
[18:06] <MartijnVdS> that scares me more for security reasons than anything else
[18:06] <MartijnVdS> how does X (for example) know it's a "faked" keystroke instead of a real one
[18:07] <ali1234> it doesn't
[18:07] <ali1234> thats why you have to be root to use uinput
[18:09] <MartijnVdS> it's still scary :)
[18:15] <pr0ph3t> ali1234, you heard of rinputd?
[18:15] <pr0ph3t> !rinputd
[18:16] <pr0ph3t> it's not in the stable repos
[18:16] <ali1234> nope
[18:18] <ducbian__> Isn't this what bluemote did / does?
[18:20] <pr0ph3t> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RemoteInput/rinputd
[18:21] <pr0ph3t> ducbian__, yes I think it is
[18:27] <pr0ph3t> it looks like there are a lot of those applications around already
[18:27] <pr0ph3t> http://tuxmobil.org/bluetooth_cell_apps.html
[20:04] <AlanBell> X3N: is that because https://launchpad.net/~locoteams is a moderated team?
[20:05] <AlanBell> that would be a superteam of ubuntu-uk
[20:06] <AlanBell> and if that is the case then someone has introduced a bit of a launchpad fail to fix some other situation
[20:08] <ipopey> Moo
[20:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> Evening all
[20:10] <ipopey> Hey TheOpenSourcerer, you on hols?
[20:10] <AlanBell> hi TheOpenSourcerer, are you there?
[20:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Lol - nope. On an OpenERP training course tomorrrow. Think I'd do Belgium for a HOLIDAY?
[20:11] <ipopey> Heh
[20:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: yES.
[20:11] <AlanBell> nice hotel?
[20:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> Very.
[20:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just been to the Hotel's "Grill" for dinner.
[20:11] <penguin42> good chocolate?
[20:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> More steak than you can shake a very large stick at.
[20:12] <AlanBell> nom
[20:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> penguin42: Don't know.
[20:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: And they have d'agneau :-)
[20:13] <AlanBell> ooh, lovely
[20:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> The drive was very easy. And Google Navigation now caches.
[20:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Do the route 1hr before you leave home.
[20:13] <ipopey> Blimey. You drove?
[20:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> All the maps will be in the cache.
[20:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> No data
[20:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just don't go too far off-piste
[20:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> ipopey: Yes.
[20:14] <AlanBell> cool
[20:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> 2hrs home to Eurotunnel.
[20:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> 2hrs the other side.
[20:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> About 5 in total.
[20:15] <ipopey> Not bad
[20:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> Quicker than flying...
[20:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's door-door
[20:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> And I didn't go above 90mph
[20:16] <ipopey> Heh, not quicker than when I used to fly out there
[20:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not too Namur...
[20:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> s\too\to
[20:17] <ipopey> Is is in Brussels?
[20:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.tanneurs.com/en/index.html
[20:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> No
[20:18] <ipopey> What area of Openerp is the course about?
[20:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=openerp,+tiny&sll=51.187956,-0.812557&sspn=0.006859,0.021136&ie=UTF8&hq=openerp,+tiny&hnear=&radius=15000&ll=50.640317,4.86351&spn=0.111043,0.338173&z=12
[20:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm on the "functional" course.
[20:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: Is on the Dev's course next week.
[20:20]  * AlanBell is non-functional
[20:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> oh dear...
[20:21] <ipopey> Are the courses expensive?
[20:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Define "expensive"?
[20:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's 5 days.
[20:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> And we got two course seats for free for joining their partner programme.
[20:22] <ipopey> Well, sap ones are something like 3600 for a week
[20:22] <ipopey> Nice
[20:22] <ipopey> Although my knowledge of sap course prices is dated
[20:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> These are a bit less I think. The RRP is about €2750 IIRC.
[20:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Here we go. €2500: http://openerpfunctrain27.eventbrite.com/
[20:25] <ipopey> Hmm, sap website not giving details
[20:26] <ipopey> Interesting byo laptop
[20:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - they give you a VM.
[20:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> OpenSource FTW!
[20:29] <Azelphur> ipopey: 14 seconds from grub to login on my new machine :D
[20:29] <Azelphur> with a stock 10.10 install
[20:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> Am waiting to digest (slightly) 1/2tonne of Entrecote de Beouf before venturing out for a nightcap.
[20:29] <ipopey> Sloooow!
[20:29] <Azelphur> :o
[20:29] <ipopey> ;)
[20:29] <Azelphur> lol
[20:30] <Azelphur> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/January%202011/IMG_20110109_023737.jpg is also amusing
[20:30] <Azelphur> they really need to put more space between pci-e slots.
[20:30] <kvarley> is there  a torrent for 11.04 alpha 1, not getting a great speed from the server
[20:32] <ipopey> Yes
[20:32] <ipopey> Releases.ubuntu.com
[21:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> 9pm and I think dinner has just subsided enough for a walk... Laterz all.
[21:24] <bigcalm> web devs: TinyMCE or CKEditor or something else?
[21:27] <czajkowski> evening folks
[21:29] <dutchie> lo czajkowski
[21:38] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[22:05]  * AlanBell wavieys at Daviey o/ 
[23:41] <shauno> hamitron: you were asking the other night about support lengths for server vs desktop packages.  did you find it?
[23:43] <ali1234> i asked about that once and someone told me the answer
[23:43] <ali1234> if you search the logs you might find it
[23:44] <ali1234> i forgot what it is... but on some field in the package description it says 3Y, 5Y etc
[23:45] <shauno> yeah, apt-cache show | grep ^Support.  it's slap-your-forehead obvious once you see it :)
[23:45] <ali1234> ah here we go
[23:45] <ali1234> yeah
[23:45] <shauno> but he left before I came on that night :(
[23:58] <hamitron> ty guys