[09:07] <Monona> How do I temporarily end package manager updates during audio sessions?
[09:13] <ailo> Monona: You should disable any automatic updates. Have you done this?
[09:16] <Monona> ailo: I'm on Hardy for my desktop, just installed Lucid on my laptop.
[09:19] <Monona> I don't know how to do that for either.
[09:19] <ailo> Cant say for sure what steps are required :(, but at least try unchecking everything dealing with automatic updates in "Update Manager -> Settings.
[09:19] <ailo> Hopefully this should be enough.
[09:20] <Monona> Easy enough to do. :)
[09:22] <Monona> The realtime kernel in Lucid isn't working well with jack.  Is there some known problem, or do I just need to troubleshoot?
[09:22] <ailo> Monona: What seems to be your problem?
[09:24] <ailo> I'm not on Lucid Myself, since 1/2 year, so I don't have the fresh experience. Did you try aboganis ppa https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=lucid?
[09:25] <ailo> I mean: https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=lucid
[09:25] <Monona> Get error messages when jack's in realtime and it won't start.  Kernel is 2.6.31-11-rt
[09:25] <ailo> Try aboganis kernel instead. See where that takes you..
[09:25] <Monona> No, I had seen some other PPA also.  What is PPA, exactly?  Source for software that's not in the repositories, right?
[09:26] <Monona> Ah, better rt kernel there?
[09:26] <ailo> It's an Ubuntu realtime kernel, but not in the main repo.
[09:26] <ailo> Used to be
[09:27] <Monona> I'm trying a work around with my MAudio Ozone now, and it seems to work.  Just upgraded to Lucid from Hardy yesterday, and still working out the whatnots.
[09:27] <ailo> PPA is usually a way for some software to be able to distribute a fresh update on the program, or a development version, without having to build it from source.
[09:28] <Monona> Took me awhile to get everything working on Hardy, so I've been biding my time.
[09:28] <ailo> Monona: I would think Lucid is the best way to go for now.
[09:28] <Monona> I just have to add the PPA to my available repositories, right?
[09:29] <ailo> Yeah. You can do it from Synaptic.
[09:30] <ailo> Let me know if it works for you. I haven't tried that myself. Do you have a nvidia or ATI graphics?
[09:30] <Monona> Alright.  I've done that before, from the command line.
[09:30] <ailo> Monona: the way to do it might have changed, but perhaps the old way still works?
[09:31] <Monona> nvidia on the desktop.  Haven't even tried to get that working since I played with it in Hardy and couldn't boot up.  Don't really need high end graphics, anyways.
[09:32] <Monona> Yeah, I'm going to add the PPA on the laptop.  Might hang out with the kernel I've got for now, but it's good to know where another option is.
[09:32] <ailo> Otherwise, just copy the line deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/abogani/ppa/ubuntu lucid main , and place it in "Synaptic Package Manager -> Settings -> Repositories -> Other software -> Add"
[09:33] <ailo> It should start with deb ... :)
[09:33] <ailo> Nvidia should work, though rt kernels have often made that hard.
[09:34] <Monona> Rather have rt kernel than Nvidia, if it comes down to it.
[09:35] <ailo> Were you able to add it?
[09:37] <Monona> For now, I want the audio out from the ozone, since it's got a better soundcard than my laptop.  I'm trying to get a working setup for some jams tomorrow, so I'm going to spend some time tweaking it later.
[09:38] <ailo> Monona: What type of device is that?
[09:39] <ailo> M-audio midi board?
[09:39] <Monona> Yeah, little two octave deal.
[09:39] <ailo> Ah, it has audio too.
[09:39] <Monona> Yup.
[09:40] <ailo> Were you able to add the PPA?
[09:40] <Monona> I'm going to try to run that from my laptop, with the audio out into the audio box on my desktop.
[09:40] <ailo> This is the link to the page, if not: https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=lucid
[09:42] <Monona> Here, let's see...
[09:42] <ailo> Monona: So you use one machine solely as an instrument?
[09:47] <Monona> Trying a new setup, yeah.
[09:47] <Monona> Laptop solely for puredata, then recording into ardour on desktop.
[09:48] <ailo> Puredata is my first choice for most things these days..
[09:49] <Monona> Yup.  I'm still feeling my way around it, but I've gotten some good sounds with taking apart samples.
[09:50] <Monona> I'd like to get some realtime processing on instruments and mics next.
[09:51] <ailo> Monona: Only tried jack-rack a little bit, but use puredata for all of that now. Reverbs and good compression might be a bit hard, but luckily for me, that is not as important.
[09:52] <Monona> Jack-rack is what I'm using now.
[09:52] <Monona> Seems like puredata could get real interesting.
[09:52] <Monona> What do you do to the incoming audio in pd?
[09:52] <Monona> BTW, the PPA added.
[09:53] <ailo> For control, puredata is hard to replace. For the actual effects, easier to do with plugins, than with puredata, I suspect.
[09:53] <Monona> Control as in what?
[09:55] <ailo> Controlling multiple parameters, like whatever you want with puredata. You can either use midi, audio or graphics to control either midi, audio or graphics.
[09:55] <Monona> Also, the PPA in this thread has Abogani's rtkernel.
[09:56] <ailo> Monona: That's the one.
[09:56] <Monona> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1350304&highlight=music+ppa+lucid
[09:56] <Monona> And a bunch of stuff.
[09:56] <Monona> I've mostly used it for audio controlled by midi.  Haven't gotten into GEM yet.
[09:57] <ailo> Right. Falk uses the same kernel as I proposed. Namely, abogani's.
[10:17] <Monona> Ah, nice.
[10:17] <Monona> Setup working a-ok.
[10:26] <ailo> Monona: Did you try installing the nvidia driver?
[10:27] <Monona> Nah, I don't feel like messing with that tonight.
[10:28] <ailo> Monona: Well, let us know if you do, and it didn't work.
[10:28] <Monona> Things are working currently.  I'll give it a day or two before I break it again. :)
[10:29] <Monona> Yeah, I'm stoked with the setup now.  I'll have to try that PPA as well.  Lucid seems to work pretty well, with some tweaking.
[10:29] <ailo> Monona: Usually, if you install the driver while on the rt kernel, it should work on the rt kernel at least (abogani's ppa includes a nvidia driver).
[10:31] <Monona> Good to know.  I'm going to get everything worked out on the laptop before I upgrade the desktop and try Nvidia.  Will that increase my performance for things like vimeo, etc?
[10:33] <ailo> Monona: It should make 3d stuff possible. Somethings, like Flash, I think are the same. You'll notice that the desktop does less frames/time. Don't know any hard stuff, though.
[10:34] <Monona> Yeah, I'm pretty much 2d these days.