[00:51] I have a crash reported as happening at line 49 of this file: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/Transaction.cpp?revision=1208223&view=markup [00:51] :s [00:52] how can a '{' crash? [00:52] and even the only line in the function is returning a pointer, and should never crash [00:57] I don't see why QApt::Backend::errorOccurred would make a QMetaOBject::activate() call to a Muon function :s === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter === rdieter is now known as rdieter_ [01:41] rbelem: If you make changes related to kuser, please remember that we use userconfig instead and let's figure out what needs to be done to it instead. [01:43] JontheEchidna: Did you get a chance to look into kde4libs symbol changes with 4.5.95? [01:43] ScottK: yup, no ABI breakage [01:43] ScottK, do you think that using login.defs is the best way to do that? [01:44] JontheEchidna: So I can just remove all the missing bits? [01:44] ScottK: yes [01:44] rbelem: No idea. Just wanted to make sure you knew. I've never looked at the code in any detail, but it is in Python. [01:44] JontheEchidna: Thanks. === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [01:48] ScottK, i will take a look to see how it works [01:48] rbelem: Thanks. I know Riddell has done some work on it, so he ought to be able to give advice if you need it. [01:52] it would be really nice to get userconfig upstream [01:53] ScottK, no i thank you :) [01:54] Riddell, where do you think is the best place to put it? how userconfig works? [01:57] Riddell, login.defs seems to be a nice place to get some system defaults [02:07] put what? [02:07] i've not coded on userconf either [02:09] Riddell, put the system defaults info, such as min and max uid [02:10] Riddell, i thougth in kuser but ossi said somewhere else would be better [02:27] ddd [02:28] rbelem: I don't know I'm afraid, ask yuiry [05:42] DONT FORGETE OT PUT IN YOUR TIME http://www.doodle.com/s6smg85bsvicnsn4 [05:43] [muon] jmthomas * 1213289 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (3 files) (log message trimmed) [05:43] Ensure that we get to do our error handling in ApplicationBackend before [05:43] MuonMainWindow has a chance to reload things behind our back in the case that [05:44] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1213291 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/worker/worker.cpp Now that the auth check comes after workerStarted has been emitted, we must emit workerFinished() if authorization fails [06:49] [muon] jmthomas * 1213383 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (7 files in 5 dirs) Automatically reload searches after a rebuild of the search index is triggered [07:05] [muon] jmthomas * 1213385 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationBackend.cpp Fix a bug where having an app installed from a PPA would make it not appear in the "Get Software" tree of sources with apps available. [07:06] yofel: ^ I think that's your bug. (Or at least it's why the Chromium PPA wasn't showing up for me) [07:06] off to bed for me [07:59] hi,for bug kpackagekit doesn't start after update to kde 4.6 rc ,what's new? https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/694194 [07:59] Ubuntu bug 694194 in Kubuntu PPA "kpackagekit doesn't start after update to kde 4.6 rc" [Undecided,Triaged] [08:22] * phononlogger yawns through the channel [08:34] microsoft surface anyone? [08:35] what? o.O [08:51] ask the google === hunger_ is now known as hunger [08:57] what fail. [08:57] phononlogger. [08:57] :-P [08:57] He swallowed up apachelogger. Sigh. [08:58] <\sh> happy new year :) [09:00] happy new year to you too \sh :) [10:29] \o [11:03] seawolf: ill look at it today === shadeslayer changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - 2011 same procedure as every year: 2 releases and many hugs | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | KDE PIM 4.6 beta 4 to be packaged << Wait for fixed KDE PIM release | alpha 2 bugs http://goo.gl/yGhJd || Select a time for a Kubuntu Meeting - http://www.doodle.com/s6smg85bsvicnsn4 [11:15] Riddell: im taking over kpk bug and setting a milestone for alpha 2 [11:17] huh [11:17] i cant set a milestone for this bug apparently [11:18] yofel_: pokey [12:01] shadeslayer: you just need to package a new version [12:02] shadeslayer: or I can make a patch.. [12:02] since 4.6 is backport a new version seems no to be a problem [12:21] dantti: the issue is due to KDE 4.6 right> [12:21] im packaging the new release [12:32] meh .. needs new packagekit [12:33] shadeslayer: no it doesn't, as kubuntu does not use the new stuff [12:33] shadeslayer: does the build fails? [12:35] dantti: yeah .. needs newer packagekit [12:35] 0.6.11 [12:36] plasma-desktop uses permanently +50% CPU (on a dual core), is this to be expected? I'd rather go for a bug in KDE 4.6 [12:37] (with new plasma config btw, I had to erase everything to make the second screen working) [12:37] Mamarok: ive seen that bug on launchpad i think .... against a older plasma release tho [12:39] shadeslayer: you can just patch the check, top level cmake file [12:39] it's important for openSuse and Fedora [12:39] oh [12:39] so it can work with older packagekit? [12:40] well ... im packaging new packagekit as well :P [12:40] so *shrug* === barraponto is now known as barraponto[MEETI === barraponto[MEETI is now known as barraponto[AWAY] [13:02] dantti: 2 of your patches were applied upstream in packagekit right? [13:03] the apt proxy one and apt crash [13:03] Need to get 100 MB/168 MB of archives. After unpacking 575 MB will be used. << :S [13:03] well ... i can take a bath till the time it compiles etc [13:04] bah [13:04] debian has a 0.6.11 package [13:06] shadeslayer: yes [13:06] yeah .. i didnt see it [13:06] ok [13:06] ok [13:07] shadeslayer: iirc if has 0.6.11 package, they want to start syncing in natty iirc [13:08] um .. i dont get you [13:10] shadeslayer: about Debian [13:11] yes .. im merging the package from debian [13:14] urgh [13:14] DAMN IT [13:15] Quintasan: SIP madness? [13:15] anyhow ... im leaving to take a bath... cya [13:15] No, I lost precious time [13:17] I could have done SIP when ScottK pong'd me back but I had to prepare for test from physics, and yet, our teacher told us today she is postponing the test at least two weeks [13:17] lol ^^ [13:18] teachers-- [13:18] really gone now [13:32] hi, i'm trying to compile a kate plugin, but it seems that i am missing a library: kateinterfaces [13:33] there is a libkateinterfaces.so.4, but it seems, a symbolic link with the name libkateinterfaces.so is missing [13:52] could someone sponsor a upload of new packagekit from here : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental [13:52] ive just uploaded it [13:53] well ... still uploading [13:59] heh [13:59] yofel_: apport-collect bugno opens up konqueror here [14:07] dont upload that packagekit! :P [14:10] shadeslayer: then you have x-www-browser set to konqueror, blame python-launchpadlib - apport-bug properly uses kfmclient === yofel_ is now known as yofel [14:10] tim: I don't think we ship that file, can't remember why though right now [14:10] shadeslayer: and you should be able to set milestones for ubuntu bugs... [14:10] tim: iirc theres a bug in launchpad about that [14:11] yofel: yeah .. but the bug was reported against the PPA [14:11] so no milestone for that [14:11] yofel: kpk crashes on natty too? [14:11] it does [14:11] ok ... ill add a package for that then === jjesse__ is now known as jjesse [14:16] shadeslayer: just searched launchpad for bugs regarding libkateinterface. no success :/ [14:16] dang ... i forgot to add [LP: #bug] [14:16] will have to ask sponsor === timblechmann is now known as tim [14:21] tim: ok lemme look :) [14:24] good morning Kubuntu [14:25] Riddell: \o [14:25] Riddell: got some time to sponsor a upload? [14:26] Which launchpad component do I use to file a nouveau bug? [14:26] xserver-xorg-video-nouveau [14:26] and use apport [14:27] apport++ [14:27] only thing is ... its in pyth0rn [14:27] phononlogger: oi [14:28] shadeslayer: can do [14:29] Riddell: packagekit merge from debian [14:29] one sec .. [14:29] Riddell: http://pastebin.com/7acpP5Qh << debdiff [14:30] bahahaha [14:31] that bug number needs removal [14:31] why did i even put it there [14:31] Riddell: http://pastebin.com/MSXpzjNQ [14:34] What are the important files to put in a xorg related bug? There's some xorg.0.log or something, but I don't know where. [14:34] patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line [14:34] patch: **** malformed patch at line 103: [14:34] shadeslayer: pastebin mangles the patch as usual [14:35] shadeslayer: use ubuntu-bug (==apport) [14:35] it should attach useful files for the given package [14:35] ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-nouveau [14:35] what what [14:35] ubuntu-bug? :P [14:35] you mean steveire right? [14:36] um yes [14:36] steveire: use ubuntu-bug (==apport) [14:39] Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/patch [14:39] eh [14:39] why does it have that bug number still [14:39] wait [14:40] fix0red [14:41] http://dpaste.com/303374/ How do I see those files? [14:41] steveire: since you don't use gdm, the question is moot [14:41] steveire: var/log/gdm [14:42] that too .. :P [14:42] that only makes sense to add if you use gdm [14:42] and i thought apport was smart about such stuff [14:43] clearly not [14:43] it's the hook that's stupid [14:43] IIRC there was a bug about that [14:44] Riddell: did i mention commenting on lp with rekonq should be fixed in next kdewebkit release? [14:44] dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address [14:44] shadeslayer: tsk ^^ [14:44] shadeslayer: commenting on lp would be most awesome [14:44] bah ... forgot that ... [14:44] I can add the maintainer field [14:44] Riddell: yeah adawit mailed me that the issue is fixed [14:45] that would leave flash only showing 1/4 space as the main issue in rekonq which is a qtwebkit bug [14:47] Riddell: can you add a new bookmark in keditbookmarks? i cant seem to add a url in the location field [14:48] If I want to try proprietry nvidia drivers shold I get them from a repo or download myself? Are they available through a script in ubuntu repos? [14:48] steveire: run jockey-kde in krunner [14:48] shadeslayer: that's very broken [14:48] Thanks [14:48] Riddell: aye [14:48] kde bug 262713 [14:49] KDE bug 262713 in general "Cannot Add new bookmark's location" [Normal,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=262713 [14:49] Riddell: also ... rekonq alpha in 3 weeks [14:49] and im working on fixing full screen [14:50] shadeslayer: is there a release schedule for rekonq currently? [14:53] nope [14:53] Riddell: http://piratepad.net/rekonqmeeting [14:54] and our agenda : http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/rekonq/Meeting/Agenda [14:54] only half the stuff got done [14:55] then people had to leave etc :P [14:56] stalcup: this doodle thing says America/Chicago and the first three options are Sunday 16:00 18:00 and 21:30 is that really on US timezone? [14:56] because if so apachelogger has picked some very anti-social times for himself [14:56] which may be what he does [14:57] Riddell: can something be called from python ( using pykde or pyqt ) to set the focus to a particular window? ( for eg rekonq ) [14:57] shadeslayer: possibly not, focus stealing is frowned upon [14:58] ohk ... [14:58] investigate http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/classNET.html [14:58] ok ... now i really need to submit those talks [15:00] ahh [15:01] After changing to the prop driver my fonts look crappy. Is that normal? [15:01] steveire: yeah ... enable hiting [15:01] *hinting [15:02] steveire: http://pastebin.com/RRRLABvF [15:02] * yofel is happy with slight hinting [15:03] Riddell: talking about weird timings .. on Mon the meeting time for me was 5.30 AM :P [15:03] yofel: i like my text to be razor sharp :P [15:03] seeing how my theme is dark ... it looks ok [15:04] hmpf, set it to no antialiasing at all and you should be fine looking at the pixels [15:07] yofel: lol :P [15:08] Riddell: we can haz new webkit snapshot? [15:09] ah ... but for v8 we'll need this as well http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-labs/qtscript-v8 [15:10] hmm .. no ... [15:10] it has a dep on v8 ... on github [15:16] rbelem: can you update the reviewboard patch? [15:16] I was going to test it but it doesn't aply [15:16] *apply [15:17] also, are you sure about removing smb_kcm ? [15:18] afiestas, are you using latest kdenetwork trunk? [15:19] afiestas, we will refactor everything, so i thougth that it would be a nice idea to remove :) [15:20] whee [15:20] new KDE PIM === shadeslayer changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - 2011 same procedure as every year: 2 releases and many hugs | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | KDE PIM 4.6 beta 4 to be packaged | alpha 2 bugs http://goo.gl/yGhJd || Select a time for a Kubuntu Meeting - http://www.doodle.com/s6smg85bsvicnsn4 [15:21] afiestas, i commited a patch fixing the code style before send the reviewboard one [15:27] Do we run /etc/X11/Xsession at all? I'm adding debug statements to mine and they don't seem to process. [15:28] i have no such file :P [15:28] Maverick [15:28] $ dpkg -S /etc/X11/Xsession [15:28] x11-common: /etc/X11/Xsession [15:30] ah [15:30] small s [15:30] rbelem: the patch for a reviewboard mus tbe as atomic as possible [15:31] just change whatever you need to change, no more no less :p [15:31] (but removing smb_kcm doesn't seem required) [15:31] btw, I've been thinking about afp, have you digg about it? [15:31] Quintasan: How's sip going then? [15:31] there is a server more or less supported on linux, and a client (afpfs-ng) with a library, but dunno what is the status [15:32] afiestas, that's true, i will upsate the patch [15:32] * rbelem looking at afp [15:32] could someone take up PIM? im fixing kpk right now ... [15:41] kronos: so taking up PIM? [15:42] shadeslayer: will try ... if my net connection doesnt let me down ... [15:42] kronos: its about 60MB's [15:43] shadeslayer: hmmm.. link to tarball ? [15:43] shadeslayer: yes a new qtwebkit snapshot would be good [15:43] shadeslayer: what are you submitting talks about? [15:43] Riddell: well plasma mobile and neon [15:43] kronos: they are on ftp.kde.org [15:43] afiestas, afp seems to be nice :) [15:43] kronos: under unstable/kdpim/4.5.94.1 [15:44] shadeslayer: what should I submit talks about? [15:44] Riddell: still need to get mobile working on my phone [15:44] Riddell: you'r coming? :D [15:44] shadeslayer: to conf.kde.in? I hope so [15:44] yayyy [15:45] hmm [15:45] but getting a visa is hassle, I've no idea how long that takes [15:45] not sure if I should book a filight before I get one [15:45] Riddell: uh .. not more than 2 weeks i think [15:45] i think its better if you have the return tickets first ... not sure tho [15:45] afiestas, i will check if it is possible share a folder without root power [15:46] Riddell: i can ask around ... my dad works at the Airport :P [15:46] well the website says don't book travel first [15:47] oh ... hmm .. dont book it then ... [15:47] presumably because if they turn you down then you might have wasted money [15:47] but I hope they won't turn me down, I'm quite a respectable person [15:47] iirc you can get refunds etc [15:47] and if I leave it late then the price might go up [15:48] dunno ... might go up ... [15:50] afiestas, did you manage to apply the patch? [15:53] rbelem: going to do it [15:53] ScottK: Not at all, I'm learning to maths test, it WILL be tomorrow unfortunately [15:54] ScottK: about what time tomorrow will you have some time? [15:54] Quintasan: Tomorrow maybe a bit in my morning, but not much. [15:54] Wed is better. [15:55] rbelem: still same big patch? [15:55] ScottK: Let me check if there is something I will start learning the day before as usual :/ [15:56] ScottK: not really, just English test, about what time are you free? [15:57] Quintasan: I should be available after 1330 UTC. [15:57] afiestas, wifi router was dropping me :( [15:58] ScottK: Sounds good, I think I might disappear suddenly somewhen between the maths and religion [15:58] oks, let me try the big one [15:58] Quintasan: I'll be around up to roughly 2100 UTC or a bit later, so no rush (this is on Wed) [15:59] Cool. [15:59] I think we'll get this done this Wed [15:59] Well, I'm off, maths won't do themselves [16:00] Quintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/552502 [16:00] rbelem: File filesharing/advanced/propsdlgplugin/propertiespage.h is not empty after patch, as expected [16:00] shadeslayer: >Traceback (most recent call last): [16:01] shadeslayer: to apachelogger with this [16:01] ! [16:01] it could be because i downgraded python-dev build dep [16:01] built fine on natty [16:02] afiestas, yup [16:02] ops... [16:03] afiestas, maybe that happen when i converted the patch from git to svn [16:03] !info python-defaults maverick [16:03] Package python-defaults does not exist in maverick [16:03] :| [16:03] Quintasan: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-defaults << maverick [16:03] rbelem: we need a patch to test it :/ [16:04] update it when you can, no hurry [16:04] Quintasan: http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/python-defaults [16:04] it had 2.6.6-3+squeeze4 as a version in python-dev [16:06] afiestas, oki, but you manage to compile? [16:06] nope, I can't apply it [16:06] :( [16:07] afiestas, i m at a meeting right now, in some minutes i will update and ping you back [16:07] thx afiestas :) [16:10] Riddell, who is yuri? [16:11] Yuriy Kozlov [16:11] did the kde 4 port of userconfig [16:11] yuriy-kozlov@kubuntu.org [16:11] yuriy_work: [16:11] Riddell, cool :) [16:11] Riddell, thx [16:12] * yuriy_work waves at rbelem [16:13] yuriy_work, :) [16:13] yuriy_work, i ll ping you in a while about the userconfig :) [16:28] Quintasan: its fixed in the updated version [16:29] which means ill have to patch kpk to use old packagekit [16:32] <_Groo_> brb [16:34] Riddell: can you give kronos ssh access to ktown? he's packaging kde pim [16:40] kronos: yo, where's your ssh key? [16:40] shadeslayer: you can too of course [16:41] oh ok ... [16:41] Riddell: where do i put the keys? [16:41] there are like ..4-5 files in there :P [16:41] Riddell: launchpad.net/~bhargav [16:43] shadeslayer: .ssh/authorized_keyss [16:43] shadeslayer: .ssh/authorized_keys [16:43] oh ok [16:44] go ahead [16:44] yeah one sec [16:44] <_Groo_> hey shadeslayer Riddell [16:44] hi _Groo_ [16:44] hey :) [16:44] <_Groo_> im doing the kdepim 4.5.94 packages [16:44] <_Groo_> which need akonadi 1.4.94 [16:45] <_Groo_> which im building [16:45] _Groo_: one sec [16:45] <_Groo_> Riddell: can i send both debians to you? i cant upload via dput cause im at work :P [16:45] _Groo_: we have akonadi 1.4.95 [16:46] you need to use that [16:46] and theres akonadi 1.4.95 in experimental ppa [16:46] for maverick of course [16:47] hang on, are _Groo_ and kronos working on the same thing? [16:47] Riddell: kronos hasnt started yet [16:47] also [16:47] _Groo_: did you do the .1 release? [16:47] or the older release [16:47] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: im with experimental active and akonadi 1.4.95 wasnt updated.. i think its 1.4.90 thats there for maverick [16:48] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: i didnt checked it though [16:48] experimental has 95, I checked [16:48] yeah .. i put it there :P [16:48] only for natty though o.O [16:48] shadeslayer: ^ [16:48] oh [16:48] <_Groo_> yofel: ahhh thats why [16:48] interesting ... [16:48] shadeslayer: you did that :P [16:48] <_Groo_> yofel: i had to do it locally ... [16:49] yofel: i thought i uploaded for maverick :P [16:49] ill bbiab [16:49] <_Groo_> anyway, im in the process of completing 1.4.95 kdepim [16:49] <_Groo_> im doing it locally but i can send the debian file to anyone who could send this to ninja/experimental [16:50] <_Groo_> unfortunatelly i cant right now :P [16:50] _Groo_: are you doing pim 4.5.94.1 ? [16:50] <_Groo_> i can also send akonadi if yofel doesnt have the maverick baackport handy [16:50] <_Groo_> yofel: no, 4.5.94... wheres the .1? [16:50] _Groo_: was uploaded a few hours ago [16:50] <_Groo_> yofel: i didnt see it in the mirrors, let me check [16:50] <_Groo_> yofel: :P [16:51] <_Groo_> i cant use ftp, so i need to use a http mirror for ftp.kde.org ¬¬ [16:51] <_Groo_> yofel: let me see if the mirror already has it [16:51] <_Groo_> yofel: also one question [16:51] its on Ktown [16:51] not on ftp [16:51] which needs sftp [16:51] <_Groo_> yofel: akonadi missing files shows a /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlite3.so [16:52] _Groo_: see debian/not-installed [16:52] <_Groo_> yofel: do we need this? ah, ok.. [16:52] iirc no [16:52] <_Groo_> ok, all checked then, akonadi now also has 3 new cmake files that i added to libakonadi-dev [16:53] dude [16:53] <_Groo_> -./usr/lib/cmake/Akonadi/AkonadiTargetsWithPrefix.cmake -./usr/lib/cmake/Akonadi/AkonadiTargetsWithPrefix-debian.cmake [16:53] _Groo_: i alread did akonadi [16:53] yeah [16:53] <_Groo_> two actually [16:53] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: im confirming :) [16:53] _Groo_: its uploaded :P [16:53] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: since im building it locally :P [16:53] right [16:53] it needs those two files [16:54] fedora had them as well [16:54] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: k, i know, i just wanted to check i did the right thing (tm) [16:54] _Groo_: it might be a good idea posting that you're doing something here _before_ doing it ;) [16:55] <_Groo_> Riddell: btw did you uploaded my koffice 2.3.0 final? [16:55] yofel: iirc he did ... but then i didnt hear from him and i started on it [16:55] <_Groo_> yofel: well i didnt see kdepim and akonadi, so i went ahead [16:55] ah [16:55] <_Groo_> yofel: its more for personal amusement also :P [16:55] :P [16:55] <_Groo_> yofel: if it helps others great :D [16:56] and then found complete borkage in the 4.5.94 release [16:56] * yofel goes into hiding again [16:56] and then saw on mailing list .... that a new version is being released [16:56] _Groo_: you better package the new release [16:56] <_Groo_> yeah it was somthing like that [16:57] <_Groo_> i forgot my wife birthday on friday >.< and agroo her, so this weekend was a nono for internet usage :P [16:57] <_Groo_> i really didnt forget, i was just slow to remember :D [16:58] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: can you pass me the url for 4.5.94.1? [16:58] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: it didnt hit the mirrors yet [16:59] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: or go ahead and compile it ¬¬ and ill wait for the packages [16:59] _Groo_: theres no url... its just on ktown for packagers [16:59] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: i dont know what ktown is [16:59] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: im just a poor minion, no real powers :P [17:00] _Groo_: its a sekret place where all the tarballs are uploaded before a release is announced [17:00] basically so that packagers get them before they are released into the open [17:00] _Groo_: are you on work or at home? [17:00] <_Groo_> yofel: at work [17:00] :S [17:01] <_Groo_> yofel: i cant use anything besides http protocol in this place :P [17:01] well, I can get you pim then [17:01] <_Groo_> yofel: no ssh, no sftp, no nothing [17:01] shadeslayer: did you blog yet? [17:01] yofel: do you have a blog yet? [17:01] phononlogger: ETOOMANYBUGS in kubuntu [17:01] pone [17:01] ... [17:01] nope [17:01] fix0ring kpk [17:02] _Groo_: are you an official minion yet? [17:02] shadeslayer: go blog! [17:02] phononlogger: on todo list for nex holidays [17:02] yofel: go get a blog! [17:02] _Groo_: go become a minion! [17:02] *next [17:02] phononlogger: who will fix kpk then? [17:02] <_Groo_> phononlogger: how do i become an oficial minion? [17:02] yofel: oh dear, that is like in a billion years [17:02] phononlogger: stop ordering people around [17:02] <_Groo_> phononlogger: i fell the same oO [17:02] I need a blog army now! [17:02] shadeslayer: who broke it? [17:02] _Groo_: as soon as me and Quintasan become devs, you become minion [17:02] * _Groo_ thinks phononlogger is apachelogger :P [17:02] phononlogger: KDE 4.6 [17:03] _Groo_: he is [17:03] phononlogger: skype again? [17:03] _Groo_: PM [17:03] shadeslayer: no [17:03] @campus [17:04] kronos: wanna backport kpackagekit fixes? so that i can write a blog to please phononlogger [17:04] discussing bits and bits and more bits [17:04] it is madness right there [17:04] ah [17:04] phononlogger: phonon madness i hop [17:04] *hope [17:04] kronos: after backporting go get a blog! [17:04] shadeslayer: no [17:04] phononlogger: awww [17:04] we are cracking all sorts of encryptions right now [17:04] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: and how soon are you becoming devs? [17:05] _Groo_: as soon as we apply [17:05] we are currently prooving the universities security messures useless :P [17:05] or i hope so :P [17:05] lol [17:05] phononlogger: i fear rekonq code is like this : http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cache:lmgtfy.com [17:05] I am not clicking this [17:05] not ever [17:05] no no no [17:05] <_Groo_> lol [17:05] shadeslayer: yup.. [17:06] ah, lolz, we now have access to the physic's dudes cluster [17:06] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: and how soon are you aplying? [17:06] :D :D :D :D [17:06] phononlogger: lol [17:06] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: it this like the old tribes traditions? you need to kill an older dev in order to take his place? [17:06] _Groo_: hmm .. no application yet :P [17:06] oh if it were only that simple [17:06] i could have become a dev at UDS [17:06] * phononlogger sets some nice motd [17:07] I clearly missed my calling in becoming a black hat [17:07] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: traditions should be respected more often [17:07] phononlogger: ^^ [17:07] we need new criteria for becoming kubuntu-dev [17:07] _Groo_: will do koffice today [17:07] <_Groo_> Riddell: k :) [17:07] i need to stop and send these insanely important emails [17:08] phononlogger: y u no fix my pinentry [17:08] <_Groo_> kutuntu-dev criteria: being alive or barely, being constantly drunk or barely, obligation to shoot apachelogger on site everytime you see it in in wild [17:10] shadeslayer: i am hacking, leave me alone :P [17:11] heh [17:11] <_Groo_> phononlogger: is it safe to update phonon and phonon-extremities? [17:11] no [17:11] gst is broken [17:13] <_Groo_> phononlogger: and vlc? does it know we are in 2011 now and have video? [17:13] yes [17:13] not in dragon though [17:13] <_Groo_> phononlogger: but but... [17:13] <_Groo_> phononlogger: does it work in dolphin preview? [17:14] <_Groo_> phononlogger: so... gst X vlc X phonon OK or X? [17:14] yofel: btw, have you had the chance to svn up to see if your missing PPAs in MSC are fixed? [17:15] didn't check yet, sec [17:17] <_Groo_> whats the diference between a unofficial minion and a oficial one? apachelogger/phononlogger cant abuse me anymore? [17:18] good question [17:20] JontheEchidna: looks right now, thanks! [17:20] yofel: cool, thanks for testing [17:23] _Groo_: unofficial minons cannot be abused by phononlogger :P [17:24] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: im unoficial and he abuses me! [17:24] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: all the time! [17:24] I thought being abused by phononlogger made them official minons [17:24] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: i have proof! [17:24] heh :P [17:24] Daskreech: yeah [17:25] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: im scarred for life cause of him! [17:25] lol [17:25] he aint that bad :P [17:25] why the heck dont these packages get published :| [17:25] * _Groo_ prefers to stay in silence ¬¬ [17:26] i do hate launchpad [17:26] launchpad-- [17:26] launchpad-- [17:26] launchpad-- [17:26] launchpad-- [17:26] <_Groo_> i which LP gods add web uplad [17:26] <_Groo_> web upload to packages in the ppa [17:26] <_Groo_> so i could use it instead of dput [17:33] ~karma [17:33] Daskreech has neutral karma [17:33] <_Groo_> to whom do i send the debian file for kdepim 4.5.94.1? [17:34] <_Groo_> ~karma [17:34] _Groo_ has neutral karma [17:34] <_Groo_> apachelogger ~karma [17:34] ~karma [17:34] karma for JontheEchidna: 12 [17:34] wrong way around [17:34] ha [17:34] ~karma ubottu [17:34] ubottu has neutral karma [17:35] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [17:35] <_Groo_> ~karma apachelogger [17:35] karma for apachelogger: 11 [17:35] <_Groo_> ah WRONG! [17:35] <_Groo_> karma for apachelogger: absolute evil! [17:41] _Groo_: I assume you compiled this koffice package on maverick? [17:41] it's got some files in the .intall files which I had to remove for natty e.g. usr/lib/kde4/kritachalkpaintop.so [17:43] e.g. kritachalkpaintop.desktop is in debian/krita.install but commented out in krita/plugins/paintops/chalk/CMakeLists.txt [17:47] hi there :) [17:47] ximion: hi [17:47] hi ximion [17:47] JontheEchidna: Thanks for uploading the debconf-kde pkg! [17:47] Riddell: JontheEchidna new kpk : http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/kpk/ [17:47] ximion: you're welcome [17:48] you might want to sync PackageKit from Debian Sid [17:48] is has some pretty cool new stuff for KDE and a few bugfixes in APTcc [17:49] I merged all Ubuntu changes into the Debian pkg, so there should be no remaining Ubuntu-specific changes. [17:52] ximion: you can request that with the requestsync tool. you'll just have to get somebody to ack it. (I can do that) [17:54] JontheEchidna: Yep, but there might be reasons why you don't want the new version right now etc., so I asked :P [17:54] I can't see any. We're not in any sort of freezes yet, so it's all good [17:55] <_Groo_> Riddell: yes i did them for maverick [17:56] (and I can do the request if you're more comfortable that way) [17:56] <_Groo_> Riddell: and kritachalk was active in the cmake, i didnt changed it, its almost stock [17:56] <_Groo_> Riddell: and its working here too :) [17:57] Riddell: did you upload kpk? [17:57] because it needs a bug number added to changelog [17:57] !info python-dev [17:58] python-dev (source: python-defaults): header files and a static library for Python (default). In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.6-2ubuntu2 (maverick), package size 0 kB, installed size 24 kB [17:59] <_Groo_> Riddell: but anyway is it wrong with kritachalk enabled? [17:59] JontheEchidna: The new package uses dh python2 instead of the pycentral dh module. [17:59] !info python-dev natty [17:59] python-dev (source: python-defaults): header files and a static library for Python (default). In component main, is optional. Version 2.7.1-0ubuntu4 (natty), package size 0 kB, installed size 32 kB [17:59] JontheEchidna: Ah, all good ^^ [17:59] some lower versions had a bug, which would make the pk build fail. [18:00] ximion: we have one remaining patch in packagekit compared to debian, ubuntu_01_null_selection_crash.diff [18:00] Riddel: Hmm, let me see... [18:01] ximion: I just uploaded it to natty, shadeslayer did the merge [18:02] ximion: yeah its fixed [18:02] Riddell: Thanks! LP rejected my sync-request: [18:02] Sorry, something went wrong when Launchpad tried processing your mail. [18:02] We've recorded what happened, and we'll fix it as soon as possible. [18:02] Apologies for the inconvenience. [18:02] one sec [18:02] shadeslayer: Jep, but in PK 0.6.12, I guess [18:03] shadeslayer: your kpackagekit package there contains kpackagekit-0.6.3.3/debian/.pc/ which isn't right [18:04] will fix .. on the phone [18:04] patch of Sunday December 19 2010, so not in PK 0.6.11 - I'll add it to the Debian repos, as it might take some weeks until PK 0.6.12 is released. [18:04] shadeslayer: I'll just delete it [18:04] shadeslayer: do you have QUILT_PATCHES set in your .bashrc? [18:05] ximion: great [18:05] +#kubuntu_05_hide_rollback_button.difffile:///home/shadeslayer/Packaging/kpk/kpackagekit-0.6.2/debian [18:05] shadeslayer: that looks wrong [18:06] :S [18:07] shadeslayer: I presume you compiled and tested kpackagekit? [18:07] yep... [18:08] shadeslayer: great, uploaded, thanks [18:09] shadeslayer: what's the rekonq mailinglist address? [18:09] mgraesslin_: rekonq@kde.org [18:10] shadeslayer: thanks, just sent a long mail [18:11] kewl :) [18:11] moderation queue [18:17] hehehe [18:36] mgraesslin_: can you cc me a copy? [18:36] seems kronos quit [18:36] shadeslayer: your mail address? [18:36] mgraesslin_: rohangarg AT ubuntu DOT com [18:37] _Groo_: did you work out if you or kronos is packaging akonadi/kdepim ? [18:37] sent [18:37] git it :) [18:38] Riddell: _Groo_ afaik i asked kronos to switch to backporting kpk [18:38] if only he would listen to me and not PM me :P [18:40] also [18:40] http://www.kubuntu.org/kde-sc-4.5.5 [18:40] i shall a) Blog after this and b) submit Cfp's [18:40] no more packaging work for today [18:40] <_Groo_> im backporting kdepim as we speak, almost ready now [18:41] * _Groo_ hates docbooks and waiting for dockbooks to complete compiling :P [18:41] _Groo_: backporting? what about natty? [18:41] aye ^^ [18:42] <_Groo_> Riddell: all at good time dear sir XD [18:43] <_Groo_> Riddell: i have maverick so i usually do it first to see if the stupid thing ACTUALLY compiles.. then i do natty and send them to ppa for testing [18:43] ok [18:43] <_Groo_> Riddell: in this case... i went maverick also cause i want kdepim :D [18:43] _Groo_: you're doing akonadi 1.4.95 too? [18:44] <_Groo_> Riddell: i actually did, but shadeslayer did it first, someone forgot to copy maverick backport to experimental [18:44] <_Groo_> Riddell: so i didnt know and did it myself, but only locally [18:44] experimental depends on maverick backports so that's fine [18:45] <_Groo_> Riddell: yeah but acording to shadeslayer he did maverick too, but only natty was available in experimental [18:45] why is natty akonadi in experimental? [18:45] I think shadeslayer got the wrong release by mistake when uploading [18:45] mgraesslin_: Btw. our Alt+Tab code is so strongly abstracted from KWin that you could easily integrate it as a ctrl+tab to walk through browser tabs ;-) <<< OMG OMG OMG [18:46] oh experimental depends on beta not backports [18:46] <_Groo_> Riddell: dont know! dont hit the messenger! im just "twitting" what i read here Xo [18:46] yep ^^ [18:46] <_Groo_> brb [18:46] wait wait wait [18:46] why is there no diff.gz for choqok in natty? http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/choqok [18:46] what do you want to do? :P [18:46] shadeslayer: my next big project will be make effects independend from compositing (for testing), so that the effects framework could also be used in rekonq [18:47] e.g. coverswitch for browser tabs [18:47] neversfelde: looks like it was wrongly uploaded as a native package [18:47] mgraesslin++ [18:47] mgraesslin++ [18:47] what do you want to do? :P [18:47] erm [18:47] mgraesslin++ [18:47] shadeslayer: looks like akonadi 1.4.95 still needs packaged for both natty and maverick, do you agree? [18:48] Riddell: 1.4.95 is already packaged for natty iirc [18:48] shadeslayer: where? [18:48] experimental ppa [18:48] oh right [18:48] Riddell: I have a package of the rc1 for maverick and lucid, but I am not sure how to update the natty package? [18:48] needs a backport to maverick -> yes [18:49] KDE PIM 4.5.94.1 needs packaging for natty and maverick -> yes [18:49] shadeslayer: akonadi can just go in the main archive, no need for PPA for natty [18:49] neversfelde: well download the current package and grab the debian/ directory out of it? [18:49] shadeslayer: I'll upload it now [18:50] Riddell: ok ... [18:50] Riddell: ok, I already did this, I will do some more testing and attach it to a bug in lp [18:50] ill backport kpk till then [18:50] shadeslayer: you don't trust kronos to do that? [18:51] Riddell: he isnt around, and the bug annoys alot of people [18:52] shadeslayer: aren't you busy blogging and submitting? :) [18:52] im going to do that after backporting :P [18:53] dantti: i can build kpk with packagekit 0.6.8? [18:54] the latest 0.6.3.3 release [18:54] shadeslayer: yes [18:54] ok [18:55] shadeslayer: it's just that fedora needed to searchGroups with QStrings, but that method is not used when HAVE_APPINSTALL which is set on kubuntu [18:55] ohk [18:59] Riddell: where did you find file:///home/shadeslayer/Packaging/kpk/kpackagekit-0.6.3.3/debian/patches/kubuntu_02_downgrade_packagekit_dep.diff ??? [19:00] shadeslayer: in debian/patches/series [19:00] damn it [19:00] I tidied it up before upload [19:00] thanks ... [19:01] shadeslayer: akonadi uploaded, thanks [19:02] :) [19:02] * shadeslayer got sloppy over the last 2 uploads [19:08] <_Groo_> you guys know why im getting lots of this lately? : Can't call method "data" on an undefined value at /usr/share/lintian/checks/deb-format line 63 [19:09] <_Groo_> Riddell: btw both akonadi (which is needed) and kdepim are complete for maverick, im doing kdepim-runtime now [19:09] <_Groo_> Riddell: akonadi 1.4.95 and kdepim 1.4.95.1 [19:10] <_Groo_> Riddell: actually scratch that, im still moving some files around in install for kdepim [19:10] <_Groo_> 4.5.94.1 [19:13] shadeslayer: what was the reason for not using debsrc 3.0 format for choqok? [19:13] neversfelde: snuggling up to debian [19:13] shadeslayer: ok [19:13] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: i have daily build for choqok if you need [19:13] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: i did a recipe some time ago and it builds choqok daily [19:13] yofel: ^^ [19:13] _Groo_: we can haz for neon [19:13] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: yofel was aware of it, i dont know if he added it to neon [19:13] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: i also do ktorrent and amarok daily builds [19:13] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: k3b is in the todo [19:13] _Groo_: yeah but with the standard packages i guess [19:14] dude ... come join us in #project-neon [19:14] we rant about phononlogger there [19:14] <_Groo_> lol [19:14] and for fun we do daily builds [19:14] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: amarok is built with all packages including coverbling [19:14] but ranting is the main thing === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [19:19] <_Groo_> if my memory serves me right, yofel was going to promote my admission but you werent around and it stayed that way [19:25] <_Groo_> why arent we using th dbus services in kdepim? from the non-installed file: ./usr/share/dbus-1/interfaces/org.kde.mailtransport.service.xml for ex [19:25] <_Groo_> just curious [19:33] _Groo_: those are developer files, they're not needed for running apps [19:33] they're essentially APIs like .h files and they shouldn't be installed unless known to be stable [19:33] <_Groo_> Riddell: ah ok :) [19:33] <_Groo_> Riddell: can you take a look at the missing files, im gonna pastebin it... mostly are html ones, just a sec [19:34] _Groo_: I'm going to lunch, back in 20 mins [19:34] <_Groo_> Riddell: k [19:35] _Groo_: go ahead and pastebin i can haz look [19:36] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: k, sec [19:36] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: http://pastebin.com/DD82QpaW [19:37] Riddell: btw. any reason why kdesdk-dev is empty? Someone did ask about the missing libkateinterfaces.so which is in not-installed [19:37] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: html files its ok to add, my question is the mobile bins [19:37] _Groo_: leave the mobile bins [19:38] these packages are not built for armel, hence no point in including the, [19:38] *them [19:38] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: and desktop and evetyhing related to mobile? [19:38] _Groo_: eh? [19:38] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: like -./usr/share/applications/kde4/tasks-mobile.desktop [19:38] everything related to mobile should be left out [19:38] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: and below -./usr/share/kde4/apps/tasks-mobile/BulkActionComponent.qml [19:38] needs to be split into a mobile package later on [19:39] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: k [19:39] <_Groo_> ok, so its basically done, the html part can be left out also, right? [19:39] _Groo_: needs to be split out into mobile package, which is for later [19:39] <_Groo_> the docbook stuff i mean [19:39] docs [19:39] hmm [19:39] yofel: ^^ any comments [19:39] possibly split into new docs package? [19:40] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: isnt a nono to add new packages so we dont differ from debian eggheads? [19:40] heh [19:41] _Groo_: debian hasnt packaged these yet, so who knows what they will do with doc files [19:41] we already differ enough, and it's not like they even have 4.5 [19:41] yep [19:41] yofel: 4.6 rather [19:41] I don't see 4.5 either [19:42] ah [19:42] <_Groo_> can i wait for rc1 at least? docs tend to move around a lot, and im lazy to do an install file for things that change a lot before a release :P [19:42] and I would say a new doc package too, but I don't know if that should be seperated by language (that would be a lot...) [19:43] <_Groo_> yofel: for all the 63 plus klingon????? [19:43] <_Groo_> yofel: give it to apachelogger XD [19:43] ok, forget that, we would need to clone apachelogger to manage that [19:43] heh ^^ [19:44] id suggest having something like : kdepim-docs-{$LANG} [19:45] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: is it that big we need to be that picky? if its small just put them all in one package [19:46] _Groo_: people like small packages :P [19:46] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: AH!!! [19:46] easily installable etc :P [19:46] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: thats a myth to make you feel good! [19:46] quick downloads [19:46] _Groo_: dude .. its a PITA to install a 40 MB package over a 256Kbps connection [19:47] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: ok ok ¬¬ [19:47] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: i know :D [19:47] ive experienced it first hand :P [19:47] kronos: ive fixed kpk :P [19:47] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: but im all for making dial ups and slow dsl line users suffer [19:47] you can fix FTBFS [19:47] install project-neon-all-dbg, *that*'s heavy :P [19:47] heh :P [19:48] yofel: you install project-neon-all ... [19:48] infact [19:48] good thing i installed it at UDS [19:48] <_Groo_> k doing kdepim-runtime [19:48] <_Groo_> should be done in a few minutes... and all done for maverick :) [19:48] * kronos has to read 50 pages on computer networking before sleeping .. [19:48] I have both installed, that's why I'm constantly out of disk space [19:49] yofel: my lightning talk was in like 10 mins .. and wrote : sudo apt-get install project-neon-all .... done in 7 mins [19:49] now that was speed [19:49] kronos: heh :P [19:49] kronos: exam? [19:49] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: how many MBs per sec? [19:49] _Groo_: dont remember [19:49] 2MBps or something .... [19:49] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: thats only 200kBytes/sec [19:50] shadeslayer: yeah ... sort of .. [19:50] _Groo_: no .. i used capital B [19:50] s/B/M [19:50] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: ah still slow [19:50] not 2mbps [19:50] 2MBps [19:50] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: i have 2GIGABYTES here [19:50] _Groo_: data center [19:50] bug #701178 and also in bzr [19:50] Launchpad bug 701178 in choqok (Ubuntu) "[needs-packaging] new upstream release candidate 0.9.98" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/701178 [19:50] yofel: how modular is neon>? [19:51] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: unfortunatelly my notebook is plugged to a stupid 100MB ethernet :P so i cant use it all [19:51] _Groo_: hah [19:51] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: telecom company :D fiver optics [19:51] <_Groo_> fiber [19:51] *nerdgasm* [19:51] well, there are packages for every kde module, and we'll probably get more modular after git move [19:51] kdepim was already split into pim and -runtime [19:51] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: but i go all the way to 10MB/sec with aft-fast :) [19:52] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah ill see kdepim-docs when it reaches rc1 at least [19:55] someone fix pinenetry :( [19:56] now to blog [19:56] no wait .. Cfp first [19:58] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: what do you blog so much about? [19:58] _Groo_: http://kshadeslayer.wordpress.com << go find out [19:59] hola [20:00] Riddell: that was a quick lunch [20:00] hmm [20:00] Bio .... [20:01] Riddell: submit a talk first! even before the visa :P [20:01] shadeslayer: the trick with lunches are to wait until there's no queue, then they take half the time [20:01] shadeslayer: I've already submitted 4! [20:01] :O [20:01] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: no no no im not opening that link nonononono [20:01] Riddell: what topics? :P [20:02] shadeslayer: Kubuntu, My KDE journey, packaging .debs and PyKDE tutorial [20:03] _Groo_: did you find homes for all those files? [20:03] pyth0rn [20:04] so first up ... Neon talk [20:04] <_Groo_> Riddell: hum what files? [20:04] Riddell: no theyre going to be out in the street for a while :P [20:04] _Groo_: PIM [20:06] _Groo_: http://pastebin.com/DD82QpaW [20:07] <_Groo_> Riddell: the doc ones? [20:07] <_Groo_> Riddell: im leaving them to bit rot :) [20:07] <_Groo_> Riddell: i was saying here im gonna wait for rc1 to create a -doc for them [20:07] <_Groo_> Riddell: they usually change a lot before rcs... [20:08] yeah that's fine, they used to be part of kde-l10n but now kdepim is separated from kde SC I guess they put them in with kdepim [20:08] <_Groo_> Riddell: acording to shadeslayer or yofel, dont remember, the mobile ones are suposed to be left out for now too [20:08] _Groo_: mobile ones should be packaged [20:09] <_Groo_> Riddell: but but, they werent so far! [20:09] Riddell: well .. they wont build for armel [20:09] so no point in packaging them right now [20:09] better wait till a RC release and then package them [20:10] apt-cache show korganizer-mobile says they are [20:10] shadeslayer: why won't they build? [20:10] Riddell: since they are going into a PPA? [20:10] it's still useful to run them on i386 [20:12] hmm ... [20:13] _Groo_: so add a new tasks-mobile package [20:14] _Groo_: did you find a home for those messageviewer files? [20:16] <_Groo_> Riddell: so i need to add tasks-mobile and docs package? [20:16] _Groo_: tasks-mobile yes, docs is fiddly because really it needs a separate one per language then kde-l10n-xx modified to depend on it [20:16] * _Groo_ head hurts [20:16] _Groo_: so maybe just file a bug to remind us about the docs issue [20:16] <_Groo_> Riddell: can i scream now? [20:17] sure, it's IRC, I won't hear :) [20:19] Riddell: He's going to call you while you're sleeping and scream right when you pick up the phone ^_^ [20:20] <_Groo_> Quintasan: now thats an idea i like [20:20] Oops. [20:20] * Quintasan hides [20:20] | [20:21] Quintasan: good thing I don't have a phone :) [20:21] Really? [20:21] Not even a cell/mobile phone? [20:21] yeah, my landline got cut off ages ago randomly one day [20:21] Riddell: what did you write in Bio? .... Superior Head Kubuntu Dev? [20:21] and I'm in the US now anyway where my GSM phone doesn't work [20:21] Riddell: what!! [20:21] wait .... i thought you were in UK? :P [20:21] this week I'm in the US [20:22] Riddell: damn US & A'dians and their CDMA [20:22] Quintasan++ [20:22] i wish they made a Droid X in a GSM model [20:22] it's actually quite a good situation, I don't need a landline and now I get free internet [20:22] shadeslayer: >Droid X [20:22] enjoy ur locked bootloader [20:23] its still a good phone [20:23] phononlogger: hey, get us a kubotu in #project-neon [20:23] howdy Quintasan [20:23] kubotu: go to #project-neon [20:23] what what what [20:23] ain't workin' :/ [20:23] kubotu: join #project-neon [20:23] shadeslayer, you don't have 'basics::move::join' permissions here [20:23] meh [20:23] <_Groo_> Riddell: do you have skype? sip? i can scream there [20:23] phononlogger: We've got some bzr--'s to add [20:23] jussi: i need kubotu [20:23] in #project-neon [20:23] mhm?? [20:24] where we will have cybersex with him [20:24] talk to harald... [20:24] What? [20:24] shadeslayer: not appropriate for here [20:24] harald is running the bot? [20:24] harald runs kubotu, yes [20:24] shadeslayer: Where is the poking stick I gave you? [20:24] jussi: but isnt it hosted by you? [20:25] yes [20:25] shadeslayer: Use it once in a while or it'll get rusty [20:25] oh .. you dont have admin rights [20:25] ok [20:25] jussi: k back to work :P [20:25] shadeslayer: but it runs from his shell, I dont touch others stuff [20:25] * shadeslayer pokes phononlogger [20:25] Quintasan: isnt harald banned on #project-neon ? :P [20:25] or was it a kick [20:25] * jussi wishes Harald would stop changing his nick... [20:25] rbelem: ping [20:26] I didn't ban him [20:26] :O [20:26] Quintasan: kick then? [20:26] It was because he stared a infinite loop between two bots on our channel, don't remember? [20:27] I kicked him along with the bots :P [20:27] hmm [20:27] i can bring in a rbot for a while [20:27] not forever tho [20:27] kubotu has cookies tho [20:27] leave it running on my laptop overnigh [20:27] I want cookies. [20:27] Quintasan: i can add that plugin [20:27] quite trivial [20:28] Riddell: canonical sprint in US? [20:30] !cookie [20:30] Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie! [20:30] !cookie | shadeslayer [20:30] shadeslayer: please see above [20:30] :D [20:30] kewl :D [20:30] but kubotu is far kewler [20:31] I should insist I get admin rights for kubotu since we host it :D [20:31] phononlogger: ^^ [20:31] phononlogger: can has admin? [20:31] jussi++ [20:31] ~karma jussi [20:31] karma for jussi: 1 [20:32] right, Im off for a bit [20:34] hi stalcup, I announced 4.5.5, thanks for the packaging [20:34] Riddell, stalcup: When is the meeting? [20:35] dunno, I can't work out the timezones on that doodle [20:35] I'm UTC+1 :P [20:35] lol [20:35] CEST [20:35] UTC+5:30 [20:35] i win [20:36] shadeslayer: not really [20:36] but I don't know what the doodle is [20:36] If they pick 20:00 UTC then you get some crappy hour :P [20:37] heh :P [20:37] yeah ... one of the times is 5:30 AM [20:42] <_Groo_> im tired, im gonna try to to finish kdepim mess tomorrow [20:44] <_Groo_> first run is done http://pastebin.com/NNaWp8jj [20:44] <_Groo_> im gonna make tracker mobile tomorrow, and try to move the remaining stuff in kdepim around, kdepim-runtime is aok [20:44] <_Groo_> although what the .mo files are supsoed to do? [20:46] they're translations [20:46] which also used to be in kde-l10n but now aren't [20:46] we should add conflict [20:46] we should add conflicts [20:46] lots of them :( [20:51] <_Groo_> Riddell: why do you hate me :P [20:51] <_Groo_> Riddell: for now im gonna do tracker-mobile [20:52] <_Groo_> Riddell: anything else? :P [20:52] nope [20:53] <_Groo_> Riddell: ok i installed im my machine.. still here o/ [20:55] <_Groo_> seeya guys tomrrow [20:56] phononlogger hey [20:56] Riddell: yofel would 45 mins be enough for explaining neon? [20:56] Difficulty : Intermediate [20:57] phononlogger a question: in ku 11.04 we will not have that nice popup that will install all stuff like codecs, flash, etc at once? Everything will be installed separatly depending on the app you open like amarok/dragon player? [20:58] shadeslayer: yes [20:59] should be enough, I'll probably work out some actual usage instructions soon then [20:59] and we need to update the wiki page on techbase [20:59] yus [21:01] yofel: this is neon? [21:01] er, yes, that was about neon [21:02] will we get an announcement soon then? [21:02] Riddell: nope ... we are waiting on KDE to move to git :( [21:02] hopefully, but neon will be in a half-working state until someone fixes bzr [21:03] yeah ... bzr is a huge roadblock [21:03] for eg. no daily qtwebkit builds [21:03] oh, that fails too? ^^ [21:03] yep [21:03] what's wrong with bzr? [21:03] yofel: i tried doing one at UDS .. thats when the problem was discovered iirc [21:04] Riddell: consumes too much memory [21:04] so much so that the build farm gets unstable [21:04] Riddell: more memory than the buildds have, so bzr gets killed as self-protection -> build fails [21:05] Riddell: see bug 681582 [21:05] Launchpad bug 681582 in Launchpad itself "fails to build with "bzr: out of memory"" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/681582 [21:05] someone ought to set that has Critical [21:05] which goes actually back as far as bug 109114 [21:05] Launchpad bug 109114 in Bazaar "[master] bzr holds whole files in memory; raises MemoryError on large files" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109114 [21:05] Riddell yo! [21:05] hi sheytan [21:05] Riddell how's the page? :) [21:05] cd image [21:06] hope to take a look at it this afternoon [21:06] Riddell cool! can't wait to see it alive :) [21:06] Riddell ping me when it comes alive :D [21:06] was also trying to talk to syadmins about getting kubuntu.org to not need them to update it [21:06] but no reponse yet [21:08] sysadmins are slow [21:08] Riddell: the wiki needs a new version of moin moin ... there are like 3-4 tickets on rt.canonical ... nothing :P [21:09] I would rather they fix the fact that I get an 'Internal Server Error' every time I save a wiki page :( [21:09] that too :( [21:09] probably fixed in newer Moin Moin [21:10] shadeslayer: why does it need a newer moin? [21:11] Riddell: the current one doesnt let people with TZ as Asia/Kolkata edit wiki pages [21:11] which includes me [21:11] so i had to change the TZ to something else on my LP page [21:12] oh aye, nasty [21:12] so all the times on wiki's are foobared :P [21:12] for me atleast [21:13] and a billion other people [21:13] ^_^ [21:13] i doubt a billion other people use the ubuntu wiki :P [21:13] you never know tho [21:13] Riddell: how big should a abstract be? :P [21:14] i have like ....11 lines with the default size of the widget [21:17] shadeslayer: mine were only two or three sentences [21:17] just however long it needs to outline what the talk is about [21:18] Riddell i hope they will agree, if not, we will never finish the page ;( [21:18] sheytan: who will agree? [21:19] Riddell sysadmins [21:20] sheytan: to which? [21:20] Riddell the kubuntu page [21:20] we need like better access to the srv, right? [21:20] oh to kubuntu.org, yes [21:36] Riddell: no problem! and you can change the date at the top [21:39] what dat? [21:39] date [21:41] Riddell: the timezone .... you can set the time zone at the top of the calendar [21:41] phononlogger: Neon talk submitted [21:41] shadeslayer: ? [21:42] Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/LB7wi.png [21:43] shadeslayer: oh right, I just wasn't sure what is was on by default [21:43] it seems that apachelogger offered to be at meetings at 04:00 his time [21:43] but maybe that's normal for him [21:43] heh [21:43] i bet phonon keeps him up all night ^_^ [21:55] shadeslayer i hope you guys will implement at least some of my nice features :D [21:55] hehehe [21:55] well ... as long as someone can make them in HTML5 [21:56] shadeslayer isn't js enough for that? [21:56] sheytan: well .. JS/HTML5/CSS [21:57] just no flash :P [21:57] i think HTML5+CSS can probably give us more interaction [21:57] shadeslayer flash is evil [21:57] and HTML5 is the in thing ... [21:57] well, it's not me to choose te technology here :D [21:57] anyway, hope someone will make it :) [21:58] yeah :D [22:14] sheytan: our new logo : http://weavesilk.com/?6d :P [22:23] shadeslayer such a big one? :P [22:23] hehe :D [22:32] Riddell: uh about bug 693345 [22:32] Launchpad bug 693345 in kdebindings (Ubuntu) "libkde4-ruby1.8 does not depend on anything" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/693345 [22:32] i have : http://paste.ubuntu.com/552618 [22:32] i dont see the problem.... [22:33] I have [22:33] Version: 4:4.5.90-0ubuntu1 [22:33] Depends: libqt4-ruby1.8 [22:34] interesting [22:34] i have KDE 4.5.95 [22:35] and yet those bindings say 4.5.5 0.o [22:35] ha [22:36] shadeslayer: well you're not using natty packages at a guess [22:36] Riddell: yeah ... thats the issue i suppose [22:38] well, I'm off to bed, good night [22:39] yofel: night [22:40] im in bed ... j ust not sleepy [22:40] and its 4AM ! [22:58] Need to get 503MB of archives. << *cringe* [22:58] well [22:58] not that bad [22:58] After this operation, 1,231MB of additional disk space will be used. << thats what's bad [22:58] anyhow .. night all [23:09] * shadeslayer starts cloning qtwebkit [23:11] shadeslayer: that might take all night... [23:11] Riddell: yeah .... leaving it running [23:11] it was either this or install neon :P [23:11] Riddell: ill try to build with v8 support .... [23:12] and see how much faster stuff is [23:12] i can link rekonq against the newer webkit and test [23:13] also ... i can sanpshot and upload for neon ^_^ [23:14] night all