[00:51] <JontheEchidna> I have a crash reported as happening at line 49 of this file: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/Transaction.cpp?revision=1208223&view=markup
[00:51] <JontheEchidna> :s
[00:52] <JontheEchidna> how can a '{' crash?
[00:52] <JontheEchidna> and even the only line in the function is returning a pointer, and should never crash
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> I don't see why QApt::Backend::errorOccurred would make a QMetaOBject::activate() call to a Muon function :s
[01:41] <ScottK> rbelem: If you make changes related to kuser, please remember that we use userconfig instead and let's figure out what needs to be done to it instead.
[01:43] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Did you get a chance to look into kde4libs symbol changes with 4.5.95?
[01:43] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: yup, no ABI breakage
[01:43] <rbelem> ScottK, do you think that using login.defs is the best way to do that?
[01:44] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: So I can just remove all the missing bits?
[01:44] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: yes
[01:44] <ScottK> rbelem: No idea.  Just wanted to make sure you knew.  I've never looked at the code in any detail, but it is in Python.
[01:44] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Thanks.
[01:48] <rbelem> ScottK, i will take a look to see how it works
[01:48] <ScottK> rbelem: Thanks.  I know Riddell has done some work on it, so he ought to be able to give advice if you need it.
[01:52] <Riddell> it would be really nice to get userconfig upstream
[01:53] <rbelem> ScottK, no i thank you :)
[01:54] <rbelem> Riddell, where do you think is the best place to put it? how userconfig works?
[01:57] <rbelem> Riddell, login.defs seems to be a nice place to get some system defaults
[02:07] <Riddell> put what?
[02:07] <Riddell> i've not coded on userconf either
[02:09] <rbelem> Riddell, put the system defaults info, such as min and max uid
[02:10] <rbelem> Riddell, i thougth in kuser but ossi said somewhere else would be better
[02:27] <Riddell> ddd
[02:28] <Riddell> rbelem: I don't know I'm afraid, ask yuiry
[05:42] <stalcup> DONT FORGETE OT PUT IN YOUR TIME http://www.doodle.com/s6smg85bsvicnsn4
[05:43] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1213289 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (3 files) (log message trimmed)
[05:43] <CIA-39> Ensure that we get to do our error handling in ApplicationBackend before
[05:43] <CIA-39> MuonMainWindow has a chance to reload things behind our back in the case that
[05:44] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1213291 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/worker/worker.cpp Now that the auth check comes after workerStarted has been emitted, we must emit workerFinished() if authorization fails
[06:49] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1213383 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (7 files in 5 dirs) Automatically reload searches after a rebuild of the search index is triggered
[07:05] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1213385 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationBackend.cpp Fix a bug where having an app installed from a PPA would make it not appear in the "Get Software" tree of sources with apps available.
[07:06] <JontheEchidna> yofel: ^ I think that's your bug. (Or at least it's why the Chromium PPA wasn't showing up for me)
[07:06] <JontheEchidna> off to bed for me
[07:59] <seawolf> hi,for bug kpackagekit doesn't start after update to kde 4.6 rc ,what's new? https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/694194
[08:22]  * phononlogger yawns through the channel
[08:34] <phononlogger> microsoft surface anyone?
[08:35] <ulysses> what? o.O
[08:51] <phononlogger> ask the google
[08:57] <nigelb> what fail.
[08:57] <nigelb> phononlogger.
[08:57] <nigelb> :-P
[08:57] <nigelb> He swallowed up apachelogger.  Sigh.
[08:58] <\sh> happy new year :)
[09:00] <phononlogger> happy new year to you too \sh :)
[10:29] <droidslayer> \o
[11:03] <shadeslayer> seawolf: ill look at it today
[11:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: im taking over kpk bug and setting a milestone for alpha 2
[11:17] <shadeslayer> huh
[11:17] <shadeslayer> i cant set a milestone for this bug apparently
[11:18] <shadeslayer> yofel_: pokey
[12:01] <dantti> shadeslayer: you just need to package a new version
[12:02] <dantti> shadeslayer: or I can make a patch..
[12:02] <dantti> since 4.6 is backport a new version seems no to be a problem
[12:21] <shadeslayer> dantti: the issue is due to KDE 4.6 right>
[12:21] <shadeslayer> im packaging the new release
[12:32] <shadeslayer> meh .. needs new packagekit
[12:33] <dantti> shadeslayer: no it doesn't, as kubuntu does not use the new stuff
[12:33] <dantti> shadeslayer: does the build fails?
[12:35] <shadeslayer> dantti: yeah .. needs newer packagekit 
[12:35] <shadeslayer> 0.6.11
[12:36] <Mamarok> plasma-desktop uses permanently +50% CPU (on a dual core), is this to be expected? I'd rather go for a bug in KDE 4.6
[12:37] <Mamarok> (with new plasma config btw, I had to erase everything to make the second screen working)
[12:37] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ive seen that bug on launchpad i think .... against a older plasma release tho
[12:39] <dantti> shadeslayer: you can just patch the check, top level cmake file
[12:39] <dantti> it's important for openSuse and Fedora
[12:39] <shadeslayer> oh
[12:39] <shadeslayer> so it can work with older packagekit?
[12:40] <shadeslayer> well ... im packaging new packagekit as well :P
[12:40] <shadeslayer> so *shrug*
[13:02] <shadeslayer> dantti: 2 of your patches were applied upstream in packagekit right?
[13:03] <shadeslayer> the apt proxy one and apt crash 
[13:03] <shadeslayer> Need to get 100 MB/168 MB of archives. After unpacking 575 MB will be used. << :S
[13:03] <shadeslayer> well ... i can take a bath till the time it compiles etc
[13:04] <shadeslayer> bah
[13:04] <shadeslayer> debian has a 0.6.11 package
[13:06] <dantti> shadeslayer: yes
[13:06] <shadeslayer> yeah .. i didnt see it
[13:06] <shadeslayer> ok
[13:06] <dantti> ok
[13:07] <dantti> shadeslayer: iirc if has 0.6.11 package, they want to start syncing in natty iirc
[13:08] <shadeslayer> um .. i dont get you
[13:10] <dantti> shadeslayer: about Debian
[13:11] <shadeslayer> yes .. im merging the package from debian
[13:14] <Quintasan> urgh
[13:14] <Quintasan> DAMN IT
[13:15] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: SIP madness?
[13:15] <shadeslayer> anyhow ... im leaving to take a bath... cya
[13:15] <Quintasan> No, I lost precious time
[13:17] <Quintasan> I could have done SIP when ScottK pong'd me back but I had to prepare for test from physics, and yet, our teacher told us today she is postponing the test at least two weeks
[13:17] <shadeslayer> lol ^^
[13:18] <shadeslayer> teachers--
[13:18] <shadeslayer> really gone now
[13:32] <tim> hi, i'm trying to compile a kate plugin, but it seems that i am missing a library: kateinterfaces
[13:33] <tim> there is a libkateinterfaces.so.4, but it seems, a symbolic link with the name libkateinterfaces.so is missing
[13:52] <shadeslayer> could someone sponsor a upload of new packagekit from here : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental
[13:52] <shadeslayer> ive just uploaded it
[13:53] <shadeslayer> well ... still uploading
[13:59] <shadeslayer> heh
[13:59] <shadeslayer> yofel_: apport-collect bugno opens up konqueror here
[14:07] <shadeslayer> dont upload that packagekit! :P
[14:10] <yofel_> shadeslayer: then you have x-www-browser set to konqueror, blame python-launchpadlib - apport-bug properly uses kfmclient
[14:10] <yofel> tim: I don't think we ship that file, can't remember why though right now
[14:10] <yofel> shadeslayer: and you should be able to set milestones for ubuntu bugs...
[14:10] <shadeslayer> tim: iirc theres a bug in launchpad about that
[14:11] <shadeslayer> yofel: yeah .. but the bug was reported against the PPA
[14:11] <shadeslayer> so no milestone for that
[14:11] <shadeslayer> yofel: kpk crashes on natty too?
[14:11] <yofel> it does
[14:11] <shadeslayer> ok ... ill add a package for that then
[14:16] <tim> shadeslayer: just searched launchpad for bugs regarding libkateinterface. no success :/
[14:16] <shadeslayer> dang ... i forgot to add [LP: #bug]
[14:16] <shadeslayer> will have to ask sponsor
[14:21] <shadeslayer> tim: ok lemme look :)
[14:24] <Riddell> good morning Kubuntu
[14:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: \o
[14:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: got some time to sponsor a upload?
[14:26] <steveire> Which launchpad component do I use to file a nouveau bug?
[14:26] <yofel> xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[14:26] <yofel> and use apport
[14:27] <shadeslayer> apport++
[14:27] <shadeslayer> only thing is ... its in pyth0rn
[14:27] <shadeslayer> phononlogger: oi
[14:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: can do
[14:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: packagekit merge from debian
[14:29] <shadeslayer> one sec ..
[14:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/7acpP5Qh << debdiff
[14:30] <shadeslayer> bahahaha
[14:31] <shadeslayer> that bug number needs removal
[14:31] <shadeslayer> why did i even put it there
[14:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/MSXpzjNQ
[14:34] <steveire> What are the important files to put in a xorg related bug? There's some xorg.0.log or something, but I don't know where.
[14:34] <Riddell> patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line
[14:34] <Riddell> patch: **** malformed patch at line 103:  
[14:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: pastebin mangles the patch as usual
[14:35] <Riddell> shadeslayer: use ubuntu-bug (==apport)
[14:35] <Riddell> it should attach useful files for the given package
[14:35] <Riddell> ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[14:35] <shadeslayer> what what
[14:35] <shadeslayer> ubuntu-bug? :P
[14:35] <shadeslayer> you mean steveire right?
[14:36] <Riddell> um yes
[14:36] <Riddell> steveire: use ubuntu-bug (==apport)
[14:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/patch
[14:39] <shadeslayer> eh
[14:39] <shadeslayer> why does it have that bug number still
[14:39] <shadeslayer> wait
[14:40] <shadeslayer> fix0red
[14:41] <steveire> http://dpaste.com/303374/ How do I see those files?
[14:41] <Riddell> steveire: since you don't use gdm, the question is moot
[14:41] <shadeslayer> steveire: var/log/gdm
[14:42] <shadeslayer> that too .. :P
[14:42] <yofel> that only makes sense to add if you use gdm
[14:42] <shadeslayer> and i thought apport was smart about such stuff
[14:43] <shadeslayer> clearly not
[14:43] <yofel> it's the hook that's stupid
[14:43] <yofel> IIRC there was a bug about that
[14:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did i mention commenting on lp with rekonq should be fixed in next kdewebkit release?
[14:44] <Riddell> dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address
[14:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: tsk ^^
[14:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: commenting on lp would be most awesome
[14:44] <shadeslayer> bah ... forgot that ...
[14:44] <Riddell> I can add the maintainer field
[14:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah adawit mailed me that the issue is fixed
[14:45] <Riddell> that would leave flash only showing 1/4 space as the main issue in rekonq which is a qtwebkit bug
[14:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you add a new bookmark in keditbookmarks? i cant seem to add a url in the location field
[14:48] <steveire> If I want to try proprietry nvidia drivers shold I get them from a repo or download myself? Are they available through a script in ubuntu repos?
[14:48] <shadeslayer> steveire: run jockey-kde in krunner
[14:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that's very broken
[14:48] <steveire> Thanks
[14:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: aye 
[14:48] <shadeslayer> kde bug 262713
[14:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: also ... rekonq alpha in 3 weeks
[14:49] <shadeslayer> and im working on fixing full screen
[14:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer: is there a release schedule for rekonq currently?
[14:53] <shadeslayer> nope 
[14:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://piratepad.net/rekonqmeeting
[14:54] <shadeslayer> and our agenda : http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/rekonq/Meeting/Agenda
[14:54] <shadeslayer> only half the stuff got done
[14:55] <shadeslayer> then people had to leave etc :P
[14:56] <Riddell> stalcup: this doodle thing says America/Chicago and the first three options are Sunday 16:00 18:00 and 21:30 is that really on US timezone?
[14:56] <Riddell> because if so apachelogger has picked some very anti-social times for himself
[14:56] <Riddell> which may be what he does
[14:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can something be called from python ( using pykde or pyqt ) to set the focus to a particular window? ( for eg rekonq )
[14:57] <Riddell> shadeslayer: possibly not, focus stealing is frowned upon
[14:58] <shadeslayer> ohk ...
[14:58] <Riddell> investigate http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/classNET.html
[14:58] <shadeslayer> ok ... now i really need to submit those talks
[15:00] <shadeslayer> ahh
[15:01] <steveire> After changing to the prop driver my fonts look crappy. Is that normal?
[15:01] <shadeslayer> steveire: yeah ... enable hiting
[15:01] <shadeslayer> *hinting
[15:02] <shadeslayer> steveire: http://pastebin.com/RRRLABvF
[15:02]  * yofel is happy with slight hinting
[15:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: talking about weird timings ..  on Mon the meeting time for me was 5.30 AM :P
[15:03] <shadeslayer> yofel: i like my text to be razor sharp :P
[15:03] <shadeslayer> seeing how my theme is dark ... it looks ok
[15:04] <yofel> hmpf, set it to no antialiasing at all and you should be fine looking at the pixels
[15:07] <shadeslayer> yofel: lol :P
[15:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we can haz new webkit snapshot?
[15:09] <shadeslayer> ah ... but for v8 we'll need this as well http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-labs/qtscript-v8
[15:10] <shadeslayer> hmm .. no ... 
[15:10] <shadeslayer> it has a dep on v8 ... on github
[15:16] <afiestas> rbelem: can you update the reviewboard patch?
[15:16] <afiestas> I was going to test it but it doesn't aply
[15:16] <afiestas> *apply
[15:17] <afiestas> also, are you sure about removing smb_kcm ?
[15:18] <rbelem> afiestas, are you using latest kdenetwork trunk?
[15:19] <rbelem> afiestas, we will refactor everything, so i thougth that it would be a nice idea to remove :)
[15:20] <shadeslayer> whee
[15:20] <shadeslayer> new KDE PIM
[15:21] <rbelem> afiestas, i commited a patch fixing the code style before send the reviewboard one
[15:27] <Zorael> Do we run /etc/X11/Xsession at all? I'm adding debug statements to mine and they don't seem to process.
[15:28] <shadeslayer> i have no such file :P
[15:28] <Zorael> Maverick
[15:28] <Zorael> $ dpkg -S /etc/X11/Xsession
[15:28] <Zorael> x11-common: /etc/X11/Xsession
[15:30] <shadeslayer> ah
[15:30] <shadeslayer> small s
[15:30] <afiestas> rbelem: the patch for a reviewboard mus tbe as atomic as possible
[15:31] <afiestas> just change whatever you need to change, no more no less :p
[15:31] <afiestas> (but removing smb_kcm doesn't seem required)
[15:31] <afiestas> btw, I've been thinking about afp, have you digg about it?
[15:31] <ScottK> Quintasan: How's sip going then?
[15:31] <afiestas> there is a server more or less supported on linux, and a client (afpfs-ng) with a library, but dunno what is the status
[15:32] <rbelem> afiestas, that's true, i will upsate the patch
[15:32]  * rbelem looking at afp
[15:32] <shadeslayer> could someone take up PIM? im fixing kpk right now ... 
[15:41] <shadeslayer> kronos: so taking up PIM?
[15:42] <kronos> shadeslayer: will try ... if my net connection doesnt let me down ...
[15:42] <shadeslayer> kronos: its about 60MB's
[15:43] <kronos> shadeslayer: hmmm.. link to tarball ?
[15:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes a new qtwebkit snapshot would be good
[15:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what are you submitting talks about?
[15:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: well plasma mobile and neon
[15:43] <shadeslayer> kronos: they are on ftp.kde.org
[15:43] <rbelem> afiestas, afp seems to be nice :)
[15:43] <shadeslayer> kronos: under unstable/kdpim/4.5.94.1
[15:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what should I submit talks about?
[15:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: still need to get mobile working on my phone
[15:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you'r coming? :D
[15:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: to conf.kde.in? I hope so
[15:44] <shadeslayer> yayyy
[15:45] <shadeslayer> hmm
[15:45] <Riddell> but getting a visa is hassle, I've no idea how long that takes
[15:45] <Riddell> not sure if I should book a filight before I get one
[15:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uh .. not more than 2 weeks i think
[15:45] <shadeslayer> i think its better if you have the return tickets first ... not sure tho
[15:45] <rbelem> afiestas, i will check if it is possible share a folder without root power
[15:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i can ask around ... my dad works at the Airport :P
[15:46] <Riddell> well the website says don't book travel first
[15:47] <shadeslayer> oh ... hmm .. dont book it then ...
[15:47] <Riddell> presumably because if they turn you down then you might have wasted money
[15:47] <Riddell> but I hope they won't turn me down, I'm quite a respectable person
[15:47] <shadeslayer> iirc you can get refunds etc 
[15:47] <Riddell> and if I leave it late then the price might go up
[15:48] <shadeslayer> dunno ... might go up ...
[15:50] <rbelem> afiestas, did you manage to apply the patch?
[15:53] <afiestas> rbelem: going to do it
[15:53] <Quintasan> ScottK: Not at all, I'm learning to maths test, it WILL be tomorrow unfortunately
[15:54] <Quintasan> ScottK: about what time tomorrow will you have some time?
[15:54] <ScottK> Quintasan: Tomorrow maybe a bit in my morning, but not much.
[15:54] <ScottK> Wed is better.
[15:55] <afiestas> rbelem: still same big patch?
[15:55] <Quintasan> ScottK: Let me check if there is something I will start learning the day before as usual :/
[15:56] <Quintasan> ScottK: not really, just English test, about what time are you free?
[15:57] <ScottK> Quintasan: I should be available after 1330 UTC.
[15:57] <rbelem> afiestas, wifi router was dropping me :(
[15:58] <Quintasan> ScottK: Sounds good, I think I might disappear suddenly somewhen between the maths and religion
[15:58] <afiestas> oks, let me try the big one
[15:58] <ScottK> Quintasan: I'll be around up to roughly 2100 UTC or a bit later, so no rush (this is on Wed)
[15:59] <Quintasan> Cool.
[15:59] <Quintasan> I think we'll get this done this Wed
[15:59] <Quintasan> Well, I'm off, maths won't do themselves
[16:00] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/552502
[16:00] <afiestas> rbelem: File filesharing/advanced/propsdlgplugin/propertiespage.h is not empty after patch, as expected
[16:00] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: >Traceback (most recent call last):
[16:01] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: to apachelogger with this
[16:01] <Quintasan> !
[16:01] <shadeslayer> it could be because i downgraded python-dev build dep 
[16:01] <shadeslayer> built fine on natty
[16:02] <rbelem> afiestas, yup
[16:02] <rbelem> ops...
[16:03] <rbelem> afiestas, maybe that happen when i converted the patch from git to svn
[16:03] <shadeslayer> !info python-defaults maverick
[16:03] <shadeslayer> :|
[16:03] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-defaults << maverick
[16:03] <afiestas> rbelem: we need a patch to test it :/
[16:04] <afiestas> update it when you can, no hurry
[16:04] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/python-defaults
[16:04] <shadeslayer> it had 2.6.6-3+squeeze4 as a version in python-dev
[16:06] <rbelem> afiestas, oki, but you manage to compile?
[16:06] <afiestas> nope, I can't apply it
[16:06] <rbelem> :(
[16:07] <rbelem> afiestas, i m at a meeting right now, in some minutes i will update and ping you back
[16:07] <rbelem> thx afiestas :)
[16:10] <rbelem> Riddell, who is yuri?
[16:11] <Riddell> Yuriy Kozlov
[16:11] <Riddell> did the kde 4 port of userconfig
[16:11] <Riddell> yuriy-kozlov@kubuntu.org
[16:11] <Riddell> yuriy_work: 
[16:11] <rbelem> Riddell, cool :)
[16:11] <rbelem> Riddell, thx
[16:12]  * yuriy_work waves at rbelem
[16:13] <rbelem> yuriy_work, :)
[16:13] <rbelem> yuriy_work, i ll ping you in a while about the userconfig :)
[16:28] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: its fixed in the updated version
[16:29] <shadeslayer> which means ill have to patch kpk to use old packagekit
[16:32] <_Groo_> brb
[16:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you give kronos ssh access to ktown? he's packaging kde pim
[16:40] <Riddell> kronos: yo, where's your ssh key?
[16:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you can too of course
[16:41] <shadeslayer> oh ok ...
[16:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: where do i put the keys? 
[16:41] <shadeslayer> there are like ..4-5 files in there :P
[16:41] <kronos> Riddell: launchpad.net/~bhargav
[16:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: .ssh/authorized_keyss
[16:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: .ssh/authorized_keys
[16:43] <shadeslayer> oh ok
[16:44] <Riddell> go ahead
[16:44] <shadeslayer> yeah one sec
[16:44] <_Groo_> hey shadeslayer Riddell 
[16:44] <Riddell> hi _Groo_ 
[16:44] <shadeslayer> hey :)
[16:44] <_Groo_> im doing the kdepim 4.5.94 packages
[16:44] <_Groo_> which need akonadi 1.4.94
[16:45] <_Groo_> which im building
[16:45] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: one sec
[16:45] <_Groo_> Riddell: can i send both debians to you? i cant upload via dput cause im at work :P
[16:45] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: we have akonadi 1.4.95
[16:46] <shadeslayer> you need to use that
[16:46] <shadeslayer> and theres akonadi 1.4.95 in experimental ppa
[16:46] <shadeslayer> for maverick of course
[16:47] <Riddell> hang on, are _Groo_ and kronos working on the same thing?
[16:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kronos hasnt started yet
[16:47] <shadeslayer> also
[16:47] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: did you do the .1 release?
[16:47] <shadeslayer> or the older release
[16:47] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: im with experimental active and akonadi 1.4.95 wasnt updated.. i think its 1.4.90 thats there for maverick
[16:48] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: i didnt checked it though
[16:48] <yofel> experimental has 95, I checked
[16:48] <shadeslayer> yeah .. i put it there :P
[16:48] <yofel> only for natty though o.O
[16:48] <yofel> shadeslayer: ^
[16:48] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:48] <_Groo_> yofel: ahhh thats why
[16:48] <shadeslayer> interesting ...
[16:48] <yofel> shadeslayer: you did that :P
[16:48] <_Groo_> yofel: i had to do it locally ...
[16:49] <shadeslayer> yofel: i thought i uploaded for maverick :P
[16:49] <shadeslayer> ill bbiab
[16:49] <_Groo_> anyway, im in the process of completing 1.4.95 kdepim
[16:49] <_Groo_> im doing it locally but i can send the debian file to anyone who could send this to ninja/experimental
[16:50] <_Groo_> unfortunatelly i cant right now :P
[16:50] <yofel> _Groo_: are you doing pim 4.5.94.1 ?
[16:50] <_Groo_> i can also send akonadi if yofel doesnt have the maverick baackport handy
[16:50] <_Groo_> yofel: no, 4.5.94... wheres the .1?
[16:50] <yofel> _Groo_: was uploaded a few hours ago
[16:50] <_Groo_> yofel: i didnt see it in the mirrors, let me check
[16:50] <_Groo_> yofel: :P
[16:51] <_Groo_> i cant use ftp, so i need to use a http mirror for ftp.kde.org ¬¬
[16:51] <_Groo_> yofel: let me see if the mirror already has it
[16:51] <_Groo_> yofel: also one question
[16:51] <shadeslayer> its on Ktown
[16:51] <shadeslayer> not on ftp
[16:51] <shadeslayer> which needs sftp
[16:51] <_Groo_> yofel: akonadi missing files shows a /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlite3.so
[16:52] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: see debian/not-installed
[16:52] <_Groo_> yofel: do we need this? ah, ok..
[16:52] <shadeslayer> iirc no
[16:52] <_Groo_> ok, all checked then, akonadi now also has 3 new cmake files that i added to libakonadi-dev
[16:53] <shadeslayer> dude
[16:53] <_Groo_> -./usr/lib/cmake/Akonadi/AkonadiTargetsWithPrefix.cmake -./usr/lib/cmake/Akonadi/AkonadiTargetsWithPrefix-debian.cmake 
[16:53] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: i alread did akonadi
[16:53] <shadeslayer> yeah
[16:53] <_Groo_> two actually
[16:53] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: im confirming :)
[16:53] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: its uploaded :P
[16:53] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: since im building it locally :P
[16:53] <shadeslayer> right
[16:53] <shadeslayer> it needs those two files
[16:54] <shadeslayer> fedora had them as well
[16:54] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: k, i know, i just wanted to check i did the right thing (tm)
[16:54] <yofel> _Groo_: it might be a good idea posting that you're doing something here _before_ doing it ;)
[16:55] <_Groo_> Riddell: btw did you uploaded my koffice 2.3.0 final?
[16:55] <shadeslayer> yofel: iirc he did ... but then i didnt hear from him and i started on it
[16:55] <_Groo_> yofel: well i didnt see kdepim and akonadi, so i went ahead
[16:55] <yofel> ah
[16:55] <_Groo_> yofel: its more for personal amusement also :P
[16:55] <yofel> :P
[16:55] <_Groo_> yofel: if it helps others great :D
[16:56] <shadeslayer> and then found complete borkage in the 4.5.94 release
[16:56]  * yofel goes into hiding again
[16:56] <shadeslayer> and then saw on mailing list .... that a new version is being released
[16:56] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: you better package the new release
[16:56] <_Groo_> yeah it was somthing like that
[16:57] <_Groo_> i forgot my wife birthday on friday >.< and agroo her, so this weekend was a nono for internet usage :P
[16:57] <_Groo_> i really didnt forget, i was just slow to remember :D
[16:58] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: can you pass me the url for 4.5.94.1?
[16:58] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: it didnt hit the mirrors yet
[16:59] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: or go ahead and compile it  ¬¬ and ill wait for the packages
[16:59] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: theres no url... its just on ktown for packagers
[16:59] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: i dont know what ktown is
[16:59] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: im just a poor minion, no real powers :P
[17:00] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: its a sekret place where all the tarballs are uploaded before a release is announced 
[17:00] <shadeslayer> basically so that packagers get them before they are released into the open
[17:00] <yofel> _Groo_: are you on work or at home?
[17:00] <_Groo_> yofel: at work
[17:00] <yofel> :S
[17:01] <_Groo_> yofel: i cant use anything besides http protocol in this place :P
[17:01] <yofel> well, I can get you pim then
[17:01] <_Groo_> yofel: no ssh, no sftp, no nothing
[17:01] <phononlogger> shadeslayer: did you blog yet?
[17:01] <phononlogger> yofel: do you have a blog yet?
[17:01] <shadeslayer> phononlogger: ETOOMANYBUGS in kubuntu
[17:01] <yofel> pone
[17:01] <yofel> ...
[17:01] <yofel> nope
[17:01] <shadeslayer> fix0ring kpk
[17:02] <phononlogger> _Groo_: are you an official minion yet?
[17:02] <phononlogger> shadeslayer: go blog!
[17:02] <yofel> phononlogger: on todo list for nex holidays
[17:02] <phononlogger> yofel: go get a blog!
[17:02] <phononlogger> _Groo_: go become a minion!
[17:02] <yofel> *next
[17:02] <shadeslayer> phononlogger: who will fix kpk then?
[17:02] <_Groo_> phononlogger: how do i become an oficial minion?
[17:02] <phononlogger> yofel: oh dear, that is like in a billion years
[17:02] <shadeslayer> phononlogger: stop ordering people around
[17:02] <_Groo_> phononlogger: i fell the same oO
[17:02] <phononlogger> I need a blog army now!
[17:02] <phononlogger> shadeslayer: who broke it?
[17:02] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: as soon as me and Quintasan become devs, you become minion
[17:02]  * _Groo_ thinks phononlogger is apachelogger :P
[17:02] <shadeslayer> phononlogger: KDE 4.6
[17:03] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: he is
[17:03] <shadeslayer> phononlogger: skype again?
[17:03] <yofel> _Groo_: PM
[17:03] <phononlogger> shadeslayer: no
[17:03] <phononlogger> @campus
[17:04] <shadeslayer> kronos: wanna backport kpackagekit fixes? so that i can write a blog to please phononlogger
[17:04] <phononlogger> discussing bits and bits and more bits
[17:04] <phononlogger> it is madness right there
[17:04] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:04] <shadeslayer> phononlogger: phonon madness i hop
[17:04] <shadeslayer> *hope
[17:04] <phononlogger> kronos: after backporting go get a blog!
[17:04] <phononlogger> shadeslayer: no
[17:04] <shadeslayer> phononlogger: awww
[17:04] <phononlogger> we are cracking all sorts of encryptions right now
[17:04] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: and how soon are you becoming devs?
[17:05] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: as soon as we apply
[17:05] <phononlogger> we are currently prooving the universities security messures useless :P
[17:05] <shadeslayer> or i hope so :P
[17:05] <shadeslayer> lol
[17:05] <shadeslayer> phononlogger: i fear rekonq code is like this : http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cache:lmgtfy.com
[17:05] <phononlogger> I am not clicking this
[17:05] <phononlogger> not ever
[17:05] <phononlogger> no no no
[17:05] <_Groo_> lol
[17:05] <kronos> shadeslayer: yup..
[17:06] <phononlogger> ah, lolz, we now have access to the physic's dudes cluster
[17:06] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: and how soon are you aplying?
[17:06] <phononlogger> :D :D :D :D
[17:06] <shadeslayer> phononlogger: lol
[17:06] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: it this like the old tribes traditions? you need to kill an older dev in order to take his place?
[17:06] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: hmm .. no application yet :P
[17:06] <shadeslayer> oh if it were only that simple
[17:06] <shadeslayer> i could have become a dev at UDS
[17:06]  * phononlogger sets some nice motd
[17:07] <phononlogger> I clearly missed my calling in becoming a black hat
[17:07] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: traditions should be respected more often
[17:07] <shadeslayer> phononlogger: ^^
[17:07] <shadeslayer> we need new criteria for becoming kubuntu-dev
[17:07] <Riddell> _Groo_: will do koffice today
[17:07] <_Groo_> Riddell: k :)
[17:07] <shadeslayer> i need to stop and send these insanely important emails
[17:08] <shadeslayer> phononlogger: y u no fix my pinentry
[17:08] <_Groo_> kutuntu-dev criteria: being alive or barely, being constantly drunk or barely, obligation to shoot apachelogger on site everytime you see it in in wild
[17:10] <phononlogger> shadeslayer: i am hacking, leave me alone :P
[17:11] <shadeslayer> heh
[17:11] <_Groo_> phononlogger: is it safe to update phonon and phonon-extremities?
[17:11] <phononlogger> no
[17:11] <phononlogger> gst is broken
[17:13] <_Groo_> phononlogger: and vlc? does it know we are in 2011 now and have video?
[17:13] <phononlogger> yes
[17:13] <phononlogger> not in dragon though
[17:13] <_Groo_> phononlogger: but but...
[17:13] <_Groo_> phononlogger: does it work in dolphin preview?
[17:14] <_Groo_> phononlogger: so... gst X vlc X phonon OK or X?
[17:14] <JontheEchidna> yofel: btw, have you had the chance to svn up to see if your missing PPAs in MSC are fixed?
[17:15] <yofel> didn't check yet, sec
[17:17] <_Groo_> whats the diference between a unofficial minion and a oficial one? apachelogger/phononlogger cant abuse me anymore?
[17:18] <yofel> good question
[17:20] <yofel> JontheEchidna: looks right now, thanks!
[17:20] <JontheEchidna> yofel: cool, thanks for testing
[17:23] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: unofficial minons cannot be abused by phononlogger :P
[17:24] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: im unoficial and he abuses me!
[17:24] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: all the time!
[17:24] <Daskreech> I thought being abused by phononlogger made them official minons
[17:24] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: i have proof!
[17:24] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[17:24] <shadeslayer> Daskreech: yeah 
[17:25] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: im scarred for life cause of him!
[17:25] <shadeslayer> lol
[17:25] <shadeslayer> he aint that bad :P
[17:25] <shadeslayer> why the heck dont these packages get published :|
[17:25]  * _Groo_ prefers to stay in silence ¬¬
[17:26] <shadeslayer> i do hate launchpad
[17:26] <shadeslayer> launchpad--
[17:26] <shadeslayer> launchpad--
[17:26] <shadeslayer> launchpad--
[17:26] <shadeslayer> launchpad--
[17:26] <_Groo_> i which LP gods add web uplad 
[17:26] <_Groo_> web upload to packages in the ppa
[17:26] <_Groo_> so i could use it instead of dput
[17:33] <Daskreech> ~karma
[17:33] <kubotu> Daskreech has neutral karma
[17:33] <_Groo_> to whom do i send the debian file for kdepim 4.5.94.1?
[17:34] <_Groo_> ~karma
[17:34] <kubotu> _Groo_ has neutral karma
[17:34] <_Groo_> apachelogger ~karma
[17:34] <JontheEchidna> ~karma
[17:34] <kubotu> karma for JontheEchidna: 12
[17:34] <Daskreech> wrong way around
[17:34] <Daskreech> ha
[17:34] <Daskreech> ~karma ubottu
[17:34] <kubotu> ubottu has neutral karma
[17:35] <_Groo_> ~karma apachelogger
[17:35] <kubotu> karma for apachelogger: 11
[17:35] <_Groo_> ah WRONG!
[17:35] <_Groo_> karma for apachelogger:  absolute evil!
[17:41] <Riddell> _Groo_: I assume you compiled this koffice package on maverick?
[17:41] <Riddell> it's got some files in the .intall files which I had to remove for natty e.g. usr/lib/kde4/kritachalkpaintop.so
[17:43] <Riddell> e.g. kritachalkpaintop.desktop is in debian/krita.install but commented out in krita/plugins/paintops/chalk/CMakeLists.txt
[17:47] <ximion> hi there :)
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> ximion: hi
[17:47] <Riddell> hi ximion 
[17:47] <ximion> JontheEchidna: Thanks for uploading the debconf-kde pkg!
[17:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: JontheEchidna new kpk : http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/kpk/
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> ximion: you're welcome
[17:48] <ximion> you might want to sync PackageKit from Debian Sid
[17:48] <ximion> is has some pretty cool new stuff for KDE and a few bugfixes in APTcc
[17:49] <ximion> I merged all Ubuntu changes into the Debian pkg, so there should be no remaining Ubuntu-specific changes.
[17:52] <JontheEchidna> ximion: you can request that with the requestsync tool. you'll just have to get somebody to ack it. (I can do that)
[17:54] <ximion> JontheEchidna: Yep, but there might be reasons why you don't want the new version right now etc., so I asked :P
[17:54] <JontheEchidna> I can't see any. We're not in any sort of freezes yet, so it's all good
[17:55] <_Groo_> Riddell: yes i did them for maverick
[17:56] <JontheEchidna> (and I can do the request if you're more comfortable that way)
[17:56] <_Groo_> Riddell: and kritachalk was active in the cmake, i didnt changed it, its almost stock
[17:56] <_Groo_> Riddell: and its working here too :)
[17:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you upload kpk?
[17:57] <shadeslayer> because it needs a bug number added to changelog
[17:57] <ximion> !info python-dev
[17:59] <_Groo_> Riddell: but anyway is it wrong with kritachalk enabled?
[17:59] <ximion> JontheEchidna: The new package uses dh python2 instead of the pycentral dh module.
[17:59] <JontheEchidna> !info python-dev natty
[17:59] <ximion> JontheEchidna: Ah, all good ^^
[17:59] <ximion> some lower versions had a bug, which would make the pk build fail.
[18:00] <Riddell> ximion: we have one remaining patch in packagekit compared to debian, ubuntu_01_null_selection_crash.diff
[18:00] <ximion> Riddel: Hmm, let me see...
[18:01] <Riddell> ximion: I just uploaded it to natty, shadeslayer did the merge
[18:02] <shadeslayer> ximion: yeah its fixed
[18:02] <ximion> Riddell: Thanks! LP rejected my sync-request:
[18:02] <ximion> Sorry, something went wrong when Launchpad tried processing your mail.
[18:02] <ximion> We've recorded what happened, and we'll fix it as soon as possible.
[18:02] <ximion> Apologies for the inconvenience.
[18:02] <shadeslayer> one sec
[18:02] <ximion> shadeslayer: Jep, but in PK 0.6.12, I guess
[18:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: your kpackagekit package there contains kpackagekit-0.6.3.3/debian/.pc/ which isn't right
[18:04] <shadeslayer> will fix .. on the phone
[18:04] <ximion> patch of Sunday December 19 2010, so not in PK 0.6.11 - I'll add it to the Debian repos, as it might take some weeks until PK 0.6.12 is released.
[18:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'll just delete it
[18:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do you have QUILT_PATCHES set in your .bashrc?
[18:05] <Riddell> ximion: great
[18:05] <Riddell> +#kubuntu_05_hide_rollback_button.difffile:///home/shadeslayer/Packaging/kpk/kpackagekit-0.6.2/debian
[18:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that looks wrong
[18:06] <shadeslayer> :S
[18:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I presume you compiled and tested kpackagekit?
[18:07] <shadeslayer> yep...
[18:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: great, uploaded, thanks
[18:09] <mgraesslin_> shadeslayer: what's the rekonq mailinglist address?
[18:09] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin_: rekonq@kde.org
[18:10] <mgraesslin_> shadeslayer: thanks, just sent a long mail
[18:11] <shadeslayer> kewl :)
[18:11] <mgraesslin_> moderation queue
[18:17] <shadeslayer> hehehe
[18:36] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin_: can you cc me a copy?
[18:36] <shadeslayer> seems kronos quit
[18:36] <mgraesslin_> shadeslayer: your mail address?
[18:36] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin_: rohangarg AT ubuntu DOT com
[18:37] <Riddell> _Groo_: did you work out if you or kronos is packaging akonadi/kdepim ?
[18:37] <mgraesslin_> sent
[18:37] <shadeslayer> git it :)
[18:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: _Groo_ afaik i asked kronos to switch to backporting kpk
[18:38] <shadeslayer> if only he would listen to me and not PM me :P
[18:40] <shadeslayer> also
[18:40] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/kde-sc-4.5.5
[18:40] <shadeslayer> i shall a) Blog after this and b) submit Cfp's
[18:40] <shadeslayer> no more packaging work for today
[18:40] <_Groo_> im backporting kdepim as we speak, almost ready now
[18:41]  * _Groo_ hates docbooks and waiting for dockbooks to complete compiling :P
[18:41] <Riddell> _Groo_: backporting?  what about natty?
[18:41] <shadeslayer> aye ^^
[18:42] <_Groo_> Riddell: all at good time dear sir XD
[18:43] <_Groo_> Riddell: i have maverick so i usually do it first to see if the stupid thing ACTUALLY compiles.. then i do natty and send them to ppa for testing
[18:43] <Riddell> ok
[18:43] <_Groo_> Riddell: in this case... i went maverick also cause i want kdepim :D
[18:43] <Riddell> _Groo_: you're doing akonadi 1.4.95 too?
[18:44] <_Groo_> Riddell: i actually did, but shadeslayer did it first, someone forgot to copy maverick backport to experimental
[18:44] <_Groo_> Riddell: so i didnt know and did it myself, but only locally
[18:44] <Riddell> experimental depends on maverick backports so that's fine
[18:45] <_Groo_> Riddell: yeah but acording to shadeslayer he did maverick too, but only natty was available in experimental
[18:45] <Riddell> why is natty akonadi in experimental?
[18:45] <yofel> I think shadeslayer got the wrong release by mistake when uploading
[18:45] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin_: Btw. our Alt+Tab code is so strongly abstracted from KWin that you could easily integrate it as a ctrl+tab to walk through browser tabs ;-)  <<< OMG OMG OMG
[18:46] <Riddell> oh experimental depends on beta not backports
[18:46] <_Groo_> Riddell: dont know! dont hit the messenger! im just "twitting" what i read here Xo
[18:46] <shadeslayer> yep ^^
[18:46] <_Groo_> brb
[18:46] <shadeslayer> wait wait wait
[18:46] <neversfelde> why is there no diff.gz for choqok in natty? http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/choqok
[18:46] <shadeslayer> what do you want to do? :P
[18:46] <mgraesslin_> shadeslayer: my next big project will be make effects independend from compositing (for testing), so that the effects framework could also be used in rekonq
[18:47] <mgraesslin_> e.g. coverswitch for browser tabs
[18:47] <Riddell> neversfelde: looks like it was wrongly uploaded as a native package
[18:47] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin++
[18:47] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin++
[18:47] <shadeslayer> what do you want to do? :P
[18:47] <shadeslayer> erm
[18:47] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin++
[18:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer: looks like akonadi 1.4.95 still needs packaged for both natty and maverick, do you agree?
[18:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: 1.4.95 is already packaged for natty iirc
[18:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: where?
[18:48] <shadeslayer> experimental ppa
[18:48] <Riddell> oh right
[18:48] <neversfelde> Riddell: I have a package of the rc1 for maverick and lucid, but I am not sure how to update the natty package?
[18:48] <shadeslayer> needs a backport to maverick -> yes
[18:49] <shadeslayer> KDE PIM 4.5.94.1 needs packaging for natty and maverick -> yes
[18:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: akonadi can just go in the main archive, no need for PPA for natty
[18:49] <Riddell> neversfelde: well download the current package and grab the debian/ directory out of it?
[18:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'll upload it now
[18:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok ...
[18:50] <neversfelde> Riddell: ok, I already did this, I will do some more testing and attach it to a bug in lp
[18:50] <shadeslayer> ill backport kpk till then
[18:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you don't trust kronos to do that?
[18:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: he isnt around, and the bug annoys alot of people
[18:52] <Riddell> shadeslayer: aren't you busy blogging and submitting? :)
[18:52] <shadeslayer> im going to do that after backporting :P
[18:53] <shadeslayer> dantti: i can build kpk with packagekit 0.6.8?
[18:54] <shadeslayer> the latest 0.6.3.3 release
[18:54] <dantti> shadeslayer: yes
[18:54] <shadeslayer> ok
[18:55] <dantti> shadeslayer: it's just that fedora needed to searchGroups with QStrings, but that method is not used when HAVE_APPINSTALL which is set on kubuntu
[18:55] <shadeslayer> ohk
[18:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: where did you find file:///home/shadeslayer/Packaging/kpk/kpackagekit-0.6.3.3/debian/patches/kubuntu_02_downgrade_packagekit_dep.diff ???
[19:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: in debian/patches/series
[19:00] <shadeslayer> damn it
[19:00] <Riddell> I tidied it up before upload
[19:00] <shadeslayer> thanks ...
[19:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: akonadi uploaded, thanks
[19:02] <shadeslayer> :)
[19:02]  * shadeslayer got sloppy over the last 2 uploads
[19:08] <_Groo_> you guys know why im getting lots of this lately? : Can't call method "data" on an undefined value at /usr/share/lintian/checks/deb-format line 63
[19:09] <_Groo_> Riddell: btw both akonadi (which is needed) and kdepim are complete for maverick, im doing kdepim-runtime now
[19:09] <_Groo_> Riddell: akonadi 1.4.95 and kdepim 1.4.95.1
[19:10] <_Groo_> Riddell: actually scratch that, im still moving some files around in install for kdepim
[19:10] <_Groo_> 4.5.94.1
[19:13] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: what was the reason for not using debsrc 3.0 format for choqok?
[19:13] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: snuggling up to debian
[19:13] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: ok
[19:13] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: i have daily build for choqok if you need
[19:13] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: i did a recipe some time ago and it builds choqok daily
[19:13] <shadeslayer> yofel: ^^
[19:13] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: we can haz for neon
[19:13] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: yofel was aware of it, i dont know if he added it to neon
[19:13] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: i also do ktorrent and amarok daily builds
[19:13] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: k3b is in the todo
[19:13] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: yeah but with the standard packages i guess
[19:14] <shadeslayer> dude ... come join us in #project-neon
[19:14] <shadeslayer> we rant about phononlogger there
[19:14] <_Groo_> lol
[19:14] <shadeslayer> and for fun we do daily builds
[19:14] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: amarok is built with all packages including coverbling
[19:14] <shadeslayer> but ranting is the main thing
[19:19] <_Groo_> if my memory serves me right, yofel was going to promote my admission but you werent around and it stayed that way
[19:25] <_Groo_> why arent we using th dbus services in kdepim? from the non-installed file: ./usr/share/dbus-1/interfaces/org.kde.mailtransport.service.xml  for ex
[19:25] <_Groo_> just curious
[19:33] <Riddell> _Groo_: those are developer files, they're not needed for running apps
[19:33] <Riddell> they're essentially APIs like .h files and they shouldn't be installed unless known to be stable
[19:33] <_Groo_> Riddell: ah ok :)
[19:33] <_Groo_> Riddell: can you take a look at the missing files, im gonna pastebin it... mostly are html ones, just a sec
[19:34] <Riddell> _Groo_: I'm going to lunch, back in 20 mins
[19:34] <_Groo_> Riddell: k
[19:35] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: go ahead and pastebin i can haz look
[19:36] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: k, sec
[19:36] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: http://pastebin.com/DD82QpaW
[19:37] <yofel> Riddell: btw. any reason why kdesdk-dev is empty? Someone did ask about the missing libkateinterfaces.so which is in not-installed
[19:37] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: html files its ok to add, my question is the mobile bins
[19:37] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: leave the mobile bins
[19:38] <shadeslayer> these packages are not built for armel, hence no point in including the,
[19:38] <shadeslayer> *them
[19:38] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: and desktop and evetyhing related to mobile?
[19:38] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: eh?
[19:38] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: like -./usr/share/applications/kde4/tasks-mobile.desktop
[19:38] <shadeslayer> everything related to mobile should be left out
[19:38] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: and below -./usr/share/kde4/apps/tasks-mobile/BulkActionComponent.qml
[19:38] <shadeslayer> needs to be split into a mobile package later on
[19:39] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: k
[19:39] <_Groo_> ok, so its basically done, the html part can be left out also, right?
[19:39] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: needs to be split out into mobile package, which is for later
[19:39] <_Groo_> the docbook stuff i mean
[19:39] <shadeslayer> docs
[19:39] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:39] <shadeslayer> yofel: ^^ any comments
[19:39] <shadeslayer> possibly split into new docs package?
[19:40] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: isnt a nono to add new packages so we dont differ from debian eggheads?
[19:40] <shadeslayer> heh
[19:41] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: debian hasnt packaged these yet, so who knows what they will do with doc files
[19:41] <yofel> we already differ enough, and it's not like they even have 4.5
[19:41] <shadeslayer> yep
[19:41] <shadeslayer> yofel: 4.6 rather
[19:41] <yofel> I don't see 4.5 either
[19:42] <shadeslayer> ah 
[19:42] <_Groo_> can i wait for rc1 at least? docs tend to move around a lot, and im lazy to do an install file for things that change a lot before a release :P
[19:42] <yofel> and I would say a new doc package too, but I don't know if that should be seperated by language (that would be a lot...)
[19:43] <_Groo_> yofel: for all the 63 plus klingon?????
[19:43] <_Groo_> yofel: give it to apachelogger XD
[19:43] <yofel> ok, forget that, we would need to clone apachelogger to manage that
[19:43] <shadeslayer> heh ^^
[19:44] <shadeslayer> id suggest having something like : kdepim-docs-{$LANG}
[19:45] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: is it that big we need to be that picky? if its small just put them all in one package
[19:46] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: people like small packages :P
[19:46] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: AH!!!
[19:46] <shadeslayer> easily installable etc :P
[19:46] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: thats a myth to make you feel good!
[19:46] <shadeslayer> quick downloads 
[19:46] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: dude .. its a PITA to install a 40 MB package over a 256Kbps connection
[19:47] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: ok ok ¬¬
[19:47] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: i know :D
[19:47] <shadeslayer> ive experienced it first hand :P
[19:47] <shadeslayer> kronos: ive fixed kpk :P
[19:47] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: but im all for making dial ups and slow dsl line users suffer
[19:47] <shadeslayer> you can fix FTBFS
[19:47] <yofel> install project-neon-all-dbg, *that*'s heavy :P
[19:47] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[19:48] <shadeslayer> yofel: you install project-neon-all ...
[19:48] <shadeslayer> infact
[19:48] <shadeslayer> good thing i installed it at UDS
[19:48] <_Groo_> k doing kdepim-runtime
[19:48] <_Groo_> should be done in a few minutes... and all done for maverick :)
[19:48]  * kronos has to read 50 pages on computer networking before sleeping ..
[19:48] <yofel> I have both installed, that's why I'm constantly out of disk space
[19:49] <shadeslayer> yofel: my lightning talk was in like 10 mins .. and wrote : sudo apt-get install project-neon-all .... done in 7 mins
[19:49] <shadeslayer> now that was speed
[19:49] <shadeslayer> kronos: heh :P
[19:49] <shadeslayer> kronos: exam?
[19:49] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: how many MBs per sec?
[19:49] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: dont remember 
[19:49] <shadeslayer> 2MBps or something ....
[19:49] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: thats only 200kBytes/sec
[19:50] <kronos> shadeslayer: yeah ... sort of ..
[19:50] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: no .. i used capital B
[19:50] <shadeslayer> s/B/M
[19:50] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: ah still slow
[19:50] <shadeslayer> not 2mbps
[19:50] <shadeslayer> 2MBps
[19:50] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: i have 2GIGABYTES here
[19:50] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: data center
[19:50] <neversfelde> bug #701178  and also in bzr
[19:50] <shadeslayer> yofel: how modular is neon>?
[19:51] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: unfortunatelly my notebook is plugged to a stupid 100MB ethernet :P so i cant use it all
[19:51] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: hah
[19:51] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: telecom company :D fiver optics
[19:51] <_Groo_> fiber
[19:51] <shadeslayer> *nerdgasm*
[19:51] <yofel> well, there are packages for every kde module, and we'll probably get more modular after git move
[19:51] <yofel> kdepim was already split into pim and -runtime
[19:51] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: but i go all the way to 10MB/sec with aft-fast :)
[19:52] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah ill see kdepim-docs when it reaches rc1 at least
[19:55] <shadeslayer> someone fix pinenetry :(
[19:56] <shadeslayer> now to blog
[19:56] <shadeslayer> no wait .. Cfp first
[19:58] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: what do you blog so much about?
[19:58] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: http://kshadeslayer.wordpress.com << go find out
[19:59] <Riddell> hola
[20:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: that was a quick lunch
[20:00] <shadeslayer> hmm
[20:00] <shadeslayer> Bio .... 
[20:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: submit a talk first! even before the visa :P
[20:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: the trick with lunches are to wait until there's no queue, then they take half the time
[20:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I've already submitted 4!
[20:01] <shadeslayer> :O
[20:01] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: no no no im not opening that link nonononono
[20:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what topics? :P
[20:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: Kubuntu, My KDE journey, packaging .debs and PyKDE tutorial
[20:03] <Riddell> _Groo_: did you find homes for all those files?
[20:03] <shadeslayer> pyth0rn
[20:04] <shadeslayer> so first up ... Neon talk
[20:04] <_Groo_> Riddell: hum what files?
[20:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: no theyre going to be out in the street for a while :P
[20:04] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: PIM
[20:06] <Riddell> _Groo_: http://pastebin.com/DD82QpaW
[20:07] <_Groo_> Riddell: the doc ones?
[20:07] <_Groo_> Riddell: im leaving them to bit rot :) 
[20:07] <_Groo_> Riddell: i was saying here im gonna wait for rc1 to create a -doc for them
[20:07] <_Groo_> Riddell: they usually change a lot before rcs...
[20:08] <Riddell> yeah that's fine, they used to be part of kde-l10n but now kdepim is separated from kde SC I guess they put them in with kdepim
[20:08] <_Groo_> Riddell: acording to shadeslayer or yofel, dont remember, the mobile ones are suposed to be left out for now too
[20:08] <Riddell> _Groo_: mobile ones should be packaged
[20:09] <_Groo_> Riddell: but but, they werent so far!
[20:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: well .. they wont build for armel
[20:09] <shadeslayer> so no point in packaging them right now
[20:09] <shadeslayer> better wait till a RC release and then package them
[20:10] <Riddell> apt-cache show korganizer-mobile  says they are
[20:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: why won't they build?
[20:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: since they are going into a PPA?
[20:10] <Riddell> it's still useful to run them on i386
[20:12] <shadeslayer> hmm ... 
[20:13] <Riddell> _Groo_: so add a new tasks-mobile package
[20:14] <Riddell> _Groo_: did you find a home for those messageviewer files?
[20:16] <_Groo_> Riddell: so i need to add tasks-mobile and docs package?
[20:16] <Riddell> _Groo_: tasks-mobile yes, docs is fiddly because really it needs a separate one per language then kde-l10n-xx modified to depend on it
[20:16]  * _Groo_ head hurts
[20:16] <Riddell> _Groo_: so maybe just file a bug to remind us about the docs issue
[20:16] <_Groo_> Riddell: can i scream now?
[20:17] <Riddell> sure, it's IRC, I won't hear :)
[20:19] <Quintasan> Riddell: He's going to call you while you're sleeping and scream right when you pick up the phone ^_^
[20:20] <_Groo_> Quintasan: now thats an idea i like
[20:20] <Quintasan> Oops.
[20:20]  * Quintasan hides
[20:20] <Riddell> |
[20:21] <Riddell> Quintasan: good thing I don't have a phone :)
[20:21] <Quintasan> Really?
[20:21] <Quintasan> Not even a cell/mobile phone?
[20:21] <Riddell> yeah, my landline got cut off ages ago randomly one day
[20:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what did you write in Bio? .... Superior Head Kubuntu Dev?
[20:21] <Riddell> and I'm in the US now anyway where my GSM phone doesn't work
[20:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what!! 
[20:21] <shadeslayer> wait .... i thought you were in UK? :P
[20:21] <Riddell> this week I'm in the US
[20:22] <Quintasan> Riddell: damn US & A'dians and their CDMA
[20:22] <shadeslayer> Quintasan++
[20:22] <shadeslayer> i wish they made a Droid X in a GSM model
[20:22] <Riddell> it's actually quite a good situation, I don't need a landline and now I get free internet
[20:22] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: >Droid X
[20:22] <Quintasan> enjoy ur locked bootloader
[20:23] <shadeslayer> its still a good phone
[20:23] <Quintasan> phononlogger: hey, get us a kubotu in #project-neon
[20:23] <kubotu> howdy Quintasan
[20:23] <Quintasan> kubotu: go to #project-neon
[20:23] <shadeslayer> what what what
[20:23] <Quintasan> ain't workin' :/
[20:23] <shadeslayer> kubotu: join #project-neon
[20:23] <kubotu> shadeslayer, you don't have 'basics::move::join' permissions here
[20:23] <shadeslayer> meh
[20:23] <_Groo_> Riddell: do you have skype? sip? i can scream there
[20:23] <Quintasan> phononlogger: We've got some bzr--'s to add
[20:23] <shadeslayer> jussi: i need kubotu
[20:23] <shadeslayer> in #project-neon
[20:23] <jussi> mhm??
[20:24] <shadeslayer> where we will have cybersex with him
[20:24] <jussi> talk to  harald...
[20:24] <Quintasan> What?
[20:24] <jussi> shadeslayer: not appropriate for here
[20:24] <shadeslayer> harald is running the bot?
[20:24] <jussi> harald runs kubotu, yes
[20:24] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Where is the poking stick I gave you?
[20:24] <shadeslayer> jussi: but isnt it hosted by you?
[20:25] <jussi> yes
[20:25] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Use it once in a while or it'll get rusty
[20:25] <shadeslayer> oh .. you dont have admin rights
[20:25] <shadeslayer> ok
[20:25] <shadeslayer> jussi: k back to work :P
[20:25] <jussi> shadeslayer: but it runs from his shell, I dont touch others stuff
[20:25]  * shadeslayer pokes phononlogger
[20:25] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: isnt harald banned on #project-neon ? :P
[20:25] <shadeslayer> or was it a kick
[20:25]  * jussi wishes Harald would stop changing his nick...
[20:25] <Riddell> rbelem: ping
[20:26] <Quintasan> I didn't ban him
[20:26] <Quintasan> :O
[20:26] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: kick then? 
[20:26] <Quintasan> It was because he stared a infinite loop between two bots on our channel, don't remember?
[20:27] <Quintasan> I kicked him along with the bots :P
[20:27] <shadeslayer> hmm
[20:27] <shadeslayer> i can bring in a rbot for a while
[20:27] <shadeslayer> not forever tho
[20:27] <Quintasan> kubotu has cookies tho
[20:27] <shadeslayer> leave it running on my laptop overnigh
[20:27] <Quintasan> I want cookies.
[20:27] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i can add that plugin
[20:27] <shadeslayer> quite trivial
[20:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: canonical sprint in US? 
[20:30] <jussi> !cookie
[20:30] <jussi> !cookie | shadeslayer
[20:30] <jussi> :D
[20:30] <shadeslayer> kewl :D
[20:30] <shadeslayer> but kubotu is far kewler
[20:31] <jussi> I should insist I get admin rights for kubotu since we host it :D
[20:31] <Quintasan> phononlogger: ^^
[20:31] <jussi> phononlogger: can has admin?
[20:31] <Quintasan> jussi++
[20:31] <Quintasan> ~karma jussi
[20:31] <kubotu> karma for jussi: 1
[20:32] <jussi> right, Im off for a bit
[20:34] <Riddell> hi stalcup, I announced 4.5.5, thanks for the packaging
[20:34] <Quintasan> Riddell, stalcup: When is the meeting?
[20:35] <Riddell> dunno, I can't work out the timezones on that doodle
[20:35] <Quintasan> I'm UTC+1 :P
[20:35] <shadeslayer> lol
[20:35] <ulysses> CEST
[20:35] <shadeslayer> UTC+5:30
[20:35] <shadeslayer> i win
[20:36] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: not really
[20:36] <Riddell> but I don't know what the doodle is
[20:36] <Quintasan> If they pick 20:00 UTC then you get some crappy hour :P
[20:37] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[20:37] <shadeslayer> yeah ... one of the times is 5:30 AM
[20:42] <_Groo_> im tired, im gonna try to to finish kdepim mess tomorrow
[20:44] <_Groo_> first run is done http://pastebin.com/NNaWp8jj
[20:44] <_Groo_> im gonna make tracker mobile tomorrow, and try to move the remaining stuff in kdepim around, kdepim-runtime is aok
[20:44] <_Groo_> although what the .mo files are supsoed to do?
[20:46] <Riddell> they're translations
[20:46] <Riddell> which also used to be in kde-l10n but now aren't
[20:46] <Riddell> we should add conflict
[20:46] <Riddell> we should add conflicts
[20:46] <Riddell> lots of them :(
[20:51] <_Groo_> Riddell: why do you hate me :P
[20:51] <_Groo_> Riddell: for now im gonna do tracker-mobile
[20:52] <_Groo_> Riddell: anything else? :P
[20:52] <Riddell> nope
[20:53] <_Groo_> Riddell: ok i installed im my machine.. still here o/
[20:55] <_Groo_> seeya guys tomrrow
[20:56] <sheytan> phononlogger hey
[20:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yofel would 45 mins be enough for explaining neon?
[20:56] <shadeslayer> Difficulty : Intermediate
[20:57] <sheytan> phononlogger a question: in ku 11.04 we will not have that nice popup that will install all stuff like codecs, flash, etc at once? Everything will be installed separatly depending on the app you open like amarok/dragon player?
[20:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes
[20:59] <yofel> should be enough, I'll probably work out some actual usage instructions soon then
[20:59] <yofel> and we need to update the wiki page on techbase
[20:59] <shadeslayer> yus
[21:01] <Riddell> yofel: this is neon?
[21:01] <yofel> er, yes, that was about neon
[21:02] <Riddell> will we get an announcement soon then?
[21:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: nope ... we are waiting on KDE to move to git :(
[21:02] <yofel> hopefully, but neon will be in a half-working state until someone fixes bzr
[21:03] <shadeslayer> yeah ... bzr is a huge roadblock
[21:03] <shadeslayer> for eg. no daily qtwebkit builds
[21:03] <yofel> oh, that fails too? ^^
[21:03] <shadeslayer> yep
[21:03] <Riddell> what's wrong with bzr?
[21:03] <shadeslayer> yofel: i tried doing one at UDS .. thats when the problem was discovered iirc
[21:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: consumes too much memory
[21:04] <shadeslayer> so much so that the build farm gets unstable 
[21:04] <yofel> Riddell: more memory than the buildds have, so bzr gets killed as self-protection -> build fails
[21:05] <yofel> Riddell: see bug 681582
[21:05] <shadeslayer> someone ought to set that has Critical
[21:05] <yofel> which goes actually back as far as bug 109114
[21:05] <sheytan> Riddell yo!
[21:05] <Riddell> hi sheytan 
[21:05] <sheytan> Riddell how's the page? :)
[21:05] <sheytan> cd image
[21:06] <Riddell> hope to take a look at it this afternoon
[21:06] <sheytan> Riddell cool! can't wait to see it alive :)
[21:06] <sheytan> Riddell ping me when it comes alive :D
[21:06] <Riddell> was also trying to talk to syadmins about getting kubuntu.org to not need them to update it
[21:06] <Riddell> but no reponse yet
[21:08] <shadeslayer> sysadmins are slow
[21:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the wiki needs a new version of moin moin ... there are like 3-4 tickets on rt.canonical ... nothing :P
[21:09] <yofel> I would rather they fix the fact that I get an 'Internal Server Error' every time I save a wiki page :(
[21:09] <shadeslayer> that too :(
[21:09] <shadeslayer> probably fixed in newer Moin Moin
[21:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: why does it need a newer moin?
[21:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the current one doesnt let people with TZ as Asia/Kolkata edit wiki pages
[21:11] <shadeslayer> which includes me
[21:11] <shadeslayer> so i had to change the TZ to something else on my LP page
[21:12] <Riddell> oh aye, nasty
[21:12] <shadeslayer> so all the times on wiki's are foobared :P
[21:12] <shadeslayer> for me atleast
[21:13] <Riddell> and a billion other people
[21:13] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[21:13] <shadeslayer> i doubt a billion other people use the ubuntu wiki :P
[21:13] <shadeslayer> you never know tho
[21:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how big should a abstract be? :P
[21:14] <shadeslayer> i have like ....11 lines with the default size of the widget
[21:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: mine were only two or three sentences
[21:17] <Riddell> just however long it needs to outline what the talk is about
[21:18] <sheytan> Riddell i hope they will agree, if not, we will never finish the page ;(
[21:18] <Riddell> sheytan: who will agree?
[21:19] <sheytan> Riddell sysadmins
[21:20] <Riddell> sheytan: to which?
[21:20] <sheytan> Riddell the kubuntu page
[21:20] <sheytan> we need like better access to the srv, right?
[21:20] <Riddell> oh to kubuntu.org, yes
[21:36] <stalcup> Riddell: no problem!  and you can change the date at the top
[21:39] <Riddell> what dat?
[21:39] <Riddell> date
[21:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the timezone .... you can set the time zone at the top of the calendar
[21:41] <shadeslayer> phononlogger: Neon talk submitted
[21:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ?
[21:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/LB7wi.png
[21:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh right, I just wasn't sure what is was on by default
[21:43] <Riddell> it seems that apachelogger offered to be at meetings at 04:00 his time
[21:43] <Riddell> but maybe that's normal for him
[21:43] <shadeslayer> heh
[21:43] <shadeslayer> i bet phonon keeps him up all night ^_^
[21:55] <sheytan> shadeslayer i hope you guys will implement at least some of my nice features :D
[21:55] <shadeslayer> hehehe
[21:55] <shadeslayer> well ... as long as someone can make them in HTML5
[21:56] <sheytan> shadeslayer isn't js enough for that?
[21:56] <shadeslayer> sheytan: well .. JS/HTML5/CSS
[21:57] <shadeslayer> just no flash :P
[21:57] <shadeslayer> i think HTML5+CSS can probably give us more interaction 
[21:57] <sheytan> shadeslayer flash is evil
[21:57] <shadeslayer> and HTML5 is the in thing ...
[21:57] <sheytan> well, it's not me to choose te technology here :D
[21:57] <sheytan> anyway, hope someone will make it :)
[21:58] <shadeslayer> yeah :D
[22:14] <shadeslayer> sheytan: our new logo : http://weavesilk.com/?6d :P
[22:23] <sheytan> shadeslayer such a big one? :P
[22:23] <shadeslayer> hehe :D
[22:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uh about bug 693345
[22:32] <shadeslayer> i have : http://paste.ubuntu.com/552618
[22:32] <shadeslayer> i dont see the problem....
[22:33] <yofel> I have 
[22:33] <yofel> Version: 4:4.5.90-0ubuntu1
[22:33] <yofel> Depends: libqt4-ruby1.8
[22:34] <shadeslayer> interesting
[22:34] <shadeslayer> i have KDE 4.5.95
[22:35] <shadeslayer> and yet those bindings say 4.5.5 0.o
[22:35] <shadeslayer> ha
[22:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: well you're not using natty packages at a guess
[22:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah ... thats the issue i suppose
[22:38] <yofel> well, I'm off to bed, good night
[22:39] <shadeslayer> yofel: night
[22:40] <shadeslayer> im in bed ... j ust not sleepy
[22:40] <shadeslayer> and its 4AM !
[22:58] <shadeslayer> Need to get 503MB of archives. << *cringe*
[22:58] <shadeslayer> well
[22:58] <shadeslayer> not that bad
[22:58] <shadeslayer> After this operation, 1,231MB of additional disk space will be used. << thats what's bad
[22:58] <shadeslayer> anyhow .. night all
[23:09]  * shadeslayer starts cloning qtwebkit
[23:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that might take all night...
[23:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah .... leaving it running
[23:11] <shadeslayer> it was either this or install neon :P
[23:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ill try to build with v8 support ....
[23:12] <shadeslayer> and see how much faster stuff is 
[23:12] <shadeslayer> i can link rekonq against the newer webkit and test 
[23:13] <shadeslayer> also ... i can sanpshot and upload for neon ^_^
[23:14] <shadeslayer> night all