[00:00] pulaski: when/if it gets fixed then yes [00:07] James147: Thanks for the tip. I'm going to look around and see if I can find the bug report or somplace I can monitor progress on the bug. Can you offer a comment on doing this or should I even bother? [00:08] pulaski: if you want to know the progress of the bug then finding the bugreport is worthwhile [00:10] James147: Thanks again for your help this afternoon. I'll check back. === metron is now known as metron_ === metron_ is now known as metron === metron is now known as Magier02 === wopr is now known as Guest19903 [00:24] hello === cory is now known as Guest77231 [00:39] Can anyone help with CUPS? [00:41] I have been going through help pages for the past 3 hours and have yet to find a solution to my problem [00:42] cory_: state your question, and if anyone can help, they will [00:43] I just added a printer that is on my server to my client comuter, while it is recognized I keep getting a printer not connected error [00:44] ...I can print a test page off the server but have no sucess on my client === jordan_ is now known as Meito [00:51] cory_: Firewall? === Meito is now known as yournickname === yournickname is now known as Meito [00:57] idk, to my knowledge the firewall is just set to its defaults [00:59] cory_: Right. Drop it and then try. [00:59] k [01:07] @buckethead do you know the command to "refresh" the server I just disabled the firewall but it won't take effect until I reboot and I do not really want to do that [01:08] refresh? [01:08] Which firewall are you using? [01:09] default [01:09] UFW [01:09] 'ufw disable' didn't just bring it down? [01:09] no [01:10] Firewall stopped and disabled on system startup [01:10] Right. That's fine. [01:10] so I do not need to reboot? [01:10] No. [01:11] It stopped it AND stopped it from coming up on start-up. [01:11] oh ic [01:12] still the same problem [01:13] You've got "Share printers connected to this system" selected, right? [01:14] Does CUPS on the client see the printer? [01:14] yes and yes [01:15] Do you have firefox installed? Try using a non-native kde app. [01:15] wait how to I make sure that "Share printers connected to this system " is selected? [01:15] On the server? [01:15] I do not have a gui [01:16] How are you accessing CUPS on the server? [01:16] using ssh [01:17] I'm not sure, I usually enable remote administration in the servers cupsd.conf and then hit the web server. [01:18] ? [01:20] If you go to the servers ip address on port 631, does the cups interface load? [01:21] yes [01:22] If you go to administration, It's on the right column. [01:23] That view access log selection might also be useful. [01:23] I've got to step away. Good luck. [01:23] thk [01:41] hi, no ffmpeg no mencoder available, kubuntu10.10 [01:43] how can i install at least one of them possibly without compiling ? === cristian is now known as crislue [01:54] hola a todos [01:59] My computer is going real slow, how do I check whaat's using up resources [01:59] cristian: !es [01:59] !es | cristian [01:59] cristian: En la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español o charlar entra en el canal #ubuntu-es. Escribe "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y dale a enter. [02:00] ecinx: Open a console and type: top [02:00] ok tank ou [02:01] ecinx: ^^ or for a graphical way press crtl+esc [02:01] ty both [02:02] James147: I found out how to do snippets in emacs, and emacs also has abbrevs mode [02:02] I didn't figure abbrevs out yet though [02:04] brb [02:08] hmm [02:08] I restarted irc and closed all the browser tabs and it still seems slow [02:09] ecinx: is your cpu or ram full? [02:10] I dont' think so [02:10] irc was taking over 300MB [02:10] and a lot of browsers, but i closed them [02:10] the biggest things now are kwin 57.6MB and Xorg 44.7MB [02:11] ecinx: you could be io bound then, i would check to see if your useing your swap at all [02:11] How Do I do that? [02:11] free -m [02:12] ecinx: also, you could install and run "iotop" === Othercirick is now known as Cibort [02:12] (to see if anything is thrashing the disk) [02:14] http://pastebin.com/QUZTRn6R [02:14] James147: ^^ [02:15] When I alt tab I can flip through windows, sometimes I don't know what I do a bunch of windows come on the screen at the same time, like little thumbnails, I find that efficient especially wit the touch scrreen, how do I do that? [02:16] ecinx: wow, you have allot of swap [02:16] James147: what does that mean? [02:17] ecinx: you are currently using about 2gigs of memory ^^ that seems rather high [02:17] (that is, swap + mem - buffers/cache, so i presume thats 2 gigs of programs) [02:18] ecinx: install htop (its like top, but better, much better ;) ) then run it and sort by mem% (press > and select mem) [02:18] Ii'm going to upgrade to 8gb, but that doesn't mean i don't want to stay udner 1GB of used memroy [02:21] ecinx: uneeded application memory is a waste... and you should be trying to start under about that if you not running that much... the rest of the ram should be filled with buffers and disk cache (programs and files that are no longer used but kept in the memory)... [02:21] ^^ and swap tends to just slow everything down if you have mroe then 1-2 gigs of ram [02:21] ecinx: ^^ you could try disabling it (swapoff -a) [02:21] and then turn it back on? [02:22] when i installed ubuntu it suggested creating a swap for speed [02:22] ecinx: yeah... that assumes you ahve no ram [02:22] ecinx: I havent had a problem with having no swap on all my computers (all now have at least 2 gigs) [02:23] swap in essense is a thing of the 90's [02:23] ? [02:23] yeah all my comps have 2gigs + too [02:23] ecinx: its needed for hybernation, and if you need more ram then you physically have... [02:23] I like to hybernate :) [02:24] the batteries suck on this thing [02:24] * James147 tends to shutdown... seems quicker to boot then resume from hyberantion.. [02:24] ecinx: cant you sleep? [02:24] * James147 sleep dosent need swap [02:25] ^^ [02:25] the battereis really suck, if im in a class room my pc dies out by the end of the period [02:25] if not it's really low [02:26] ecinx: ... hmm, well i suggest you try disabling swap for now with "swapoff -a" (swapon -a or a reboot will enable it again) [02:26] see if it makes a difference [02:26] (or makes things worst) ... also try to find out what applications are using all the ram [02:27] i turned it off [02:27] i ddin't get a new prompt, yet [02:28] ecinx: if you want you can watch your memory usage with "watch free -m" [02:28] actually let me reboot, remember we ugpraded KDE and i dind't reboot [02:29] free 44 ?? [02:29] 22 [02:29] that's not kool [02:32] ecinx: ?? [02:50] im back [02:50] i had to restart it froze [02:54] I replaced my 30 (or forty, I forget which) gigabyte harddrive in my latop (Compaq NC6000) several weeks ago. On it I had two partitions, one for Windows XP, one Kubuntu 8.04. Since then I have purchased and installed a 80GB drive. I, again, installed Kubuntu and XP. This time I used a experimental version of Kubuntu called Trinity as I am one of the group that keeps ahold of KDE3. Unfortunately I have come to dislike Trinity on [02:54] many levels, and would like to find a way to copy over the contents of my old partition and overwrite my newer installation so it will be as if nothing had changed. I assume I can do this as no hardware in the equation has been changed, but I have no idea how. I was told by a friend that I could simply tar.gz all of my files on the old partition, and overwrite all of the new ones. Do you dolks have any idea how I could do this? Is the method I listed valid [02:56] http://imagebin.org/131915 [02:57] James147: That was before I restarted [02:57] after it unfroze [02:58] d3jake: ^^ you should just beable to copy the contents of teh dirve over [02:58] I conneccted an external monitor, how do i fix the resolution, if it's not listed [02:58] d3jake: you may or may not need to edit /etc/fstab as well [02:59] ecinx: you could try the xrandr command :) [02:59] (though i dont know what options you need) [03:00] it doesn't list the native resolution there [03:00] James147: What is the /etc/fstab for, dare I ask? [03:00] ecinx: what driver? [03:00] d3jake: mounting drives at boot [03:00] (or with mount -a) [03:01] James147: Okay, thanks! [03:01] I didn't install a driver for it [03:01] ecinx: waht graphics card? [03:01] I think it's intel HD graphics [03:01] something like that [03:02] ecinx: i think you should play with the --newmode option in xrandr [03:03] or --fb option [03:05] ecinx: btw, is your system any faster? [03:05] i think the swap is back on [03:05] let me turn it off [03:06] but yes, i just restarted [03:08] ecinx: you might find this useful https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq [03:09] ^^ note you can tell linux to not swap as much, which you probally want to do (then you can have swap enabled, but not have things swaped out so much.. see the swappiness section of the link) [03:11] I bookmarked it [03:12] I have to fix this monitor situation, and see if i can get kile to compile it gave me trouble earlier [03:14] how can I find all installed packages with "word" in names? [03:16] dpkg -l | grep word [03:25] now quassel keeps crashing [03:28] James147: thanks [03:55] . [03:58] dont like ktorrent....like transmission..but is there anything better and lighter [04:16] dont like ktorrent.....like Transmission.....is there anything better faster and lighhter ? [04:21] FloridaGuy: http://www.tuxradar.com/content/whats-best-linux-bittorrent-app [04:22] everyone has an opinion! [04:22] valorie: thanks [04:25] join #asterisk-peru [04:31] FloridaGuy: rtorrent? [04:31] they did leave that off my link list, for sure [04:32] hi valorie [04:33] hey Daskreech [04:33] how are you? [04:44] hello anybody knows about voip asterisk? [04:45] lets see if ubottu knows anything [04:46] !voip [04:46] VoIP is Voice over IP. The default VoIP client for Ubuntu is !Ekiga. There is also an xmpp voice component in !Empathy. Kubuntu Clients include Kphone and Twinkle. Proprietary Clients include !Skype and Gizmo5. VoIP server applications include Asterisk and Yate ( both in repositories ), FreePBX, and SipX. [04:46] xd [04:46] that's rather general [04:46] !asterisk [04:47] carla wrote some good howtos about asterist a couple of years ago [04:47] let me see if I can find 'em [04:48] http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/blog/2006/04/building_an_asteriskhome_test.html [04:48] 2006, but she's excellent [04:49] !skype [04:49] To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto - Please use open protocols instead if you can, see !Ekiga [04:49] interesting [04:49] jejeje [04:49] hi valorie [04:50] hi swimmercol [04:51] wher are u from? [04:51] me? I live in Washington state, in the US [04:52] very cool [04:52] the next astricon [04:52] how about you? [04:52] marylan [04:53] i live Colombia [04:53] whats your name? [04:53] Valorie, just like my nick [04:54] a ok [04:54] its nice [04:54] thanks! I think my mom made it up, I haven't met many people with the same spelling [04:55] yeah its real [04:55] my name is albert [04:55] valorie: swimmercol !#kubuntu-offtopic [04:55] nice to meet you [04:55] sec [04:55] thanks snowhog [04:55] sorry [04:56] what is it? [05:30] somebody can help me... my audio/video frozen .. i use kubuntu 10.10, with a core2duo 2Ghz, 3Gb ram, IntelGM45Hd (video) [05:31] hola miguel [05:31] hola ecinx [05:32] srry i can't help, I am a kubuntu newbie [05:32] whereu from though [05:34] thanks anyway [05:35] no problemo [05:38] try #ubuntu, or #linux === david is now known as Guest71021 [05:41] I compiled kile, hopefully correctly and in the last step it launches, but it doesn't seem to be installed in kickoff [05:41] and it wont' launch with 'kile' at prompt [05:51] For some mysterious reason the virtual desktop icon from the kubuntu 10.10 panel has disappeared. How could I added it back to the panel? [05:54] click on the cashew [05:54] or maybe just the little up triangle [05:54] you might have hidden it [05:56] valorie: Checked it.. [06:09] valorie: how does hiding it work? [06:11] if there is stuff you don't want to remove, but don't need to display all the time, there is the function of hiding it [06:11] uh i got a weird bug, where the ui of different kde and non kde applications is not properly updated. this really gets on my nerves when moving the curser and changing text in kate, as i have to switch lines to refresh :-/ [06:12] that little pyramid is where that's done [06:12] whilo, are you in rc2? [06:13] i've had various little weirdities in rc2, that I didn't notice in rc1 [06:14] valorie: yep [06:15] it makes me really aggressive as i don't see what java code i am actually writing :-/ hopefully this gets fixed soon, other than that kde 4.6 is pretty impressive [06:17] be sure to report it [06:17] my problems are so..... flimsy, I can' [06:17] t really pin them down well [06:17] valorie: me neither, they even happen in firefox regularly [06:17] how can I make "X" do not autostart on boot? [06:17] i think emacs was ok, but am not sure [06:18] elkng: man service [06:18] whilo: thanks [06:34] valorie: do you have intel graphics? === mad_ is now known as mad__ [06:45] whilo: ati radeon [06:46] sorry, my old dog is restless tonight === jayhunold is now known as jhunold [07:16] is the latest version of kde stable? [07:24] poyntz: do you mean 10.10? [07:24] yes, stable [07:24] or do you mean 4.6rc2 -- in which case i would say for me stable, with some display oddities [07:39] valorie: nope kde4.5.x whatever the latest is [07:40] 4.5.90 is beta rc2 now [07:40] 4.5.4 was very stable === christoph is now known as Guest10281 === root is now known as faLUCE === Guest10281 is now known as christoph__ [08:20] hi [08:20] if i want to check last created file in system or by user which log i should read? [08:21] valorie: what's the repo for kde versions? [08:22] in this instance, beta ppa [08:22] valorie: are you on the latest? [08:23] latest in the PPA, yes [08:23] I don't build kde from trunk or anything [08:23] valorie: how does it compare? and does it cause any troubles with linux-image-x packages? [08:23] and I'm in Mav, not Natty [08:24] what do you want me to compare? [08:24] valorie: the latest to 4.5.1 [08:24] 4.5.4 was totally stable [08:24] 4.5rc2 is stable, but as I said, I'm having a few small problems [08:25] valorie: ahh cool ty. [08:25] valorie: btw is ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta the right beta ppa? [08:25] yes [08:29] valorie: is it possible to upgrade to 4.5.4 and not the latest? [08:30] valorie: because when i added the ppa i just noticed a bunch of updates appear.. [08:31] hmmm [08:31] now that I don't know [08:32] valorie: does the latest support omaque? [08:32] valorie: actually dont answer that haha.. mine apparently supports omaque but it isn't supporting it atm.. =S [08:33] http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-454 [08:33] not sure that will still work, but it's worth a try [09:24] hi guys, i have a question for you.... do you know the program pulse audio? i have a dolby 5.1 connected to my sound card in to the digital output, but i can select only "digital stereo" and "analog 5.1"... where can i find the "digital 5.1" exit of my sound card? [09:31] valorie: if you have ati and i have intel and we both use 4.6rc2 on mav where it worked with xorg properly before, then it is likely a kwin issue [09:31] imo === miguel is now known as Guest61117 === Guest61117 is now known as MPerez [09:34] could be -- I hope they track it down before natty [09:46] valorie: i hope they track it down before 4.6 ;-) it is really difficult to do text work if your text-widget is not updated correctly [09:50] whilo, it hits me every once in awhile in konversation, too === FireCrotch is now known as nickmoeck [10:29] hi, how can i make my microphone work under kubuntu? do i need to install some drivers? [10:31] and more importantly, where can i test it? because right now i'm trying under ventrilo on wine [10:36] hi [10:36] jado: first, make sure it isent muted, best way to do taht is run "alsamixer" in a terminal and check the capture devices (if you turn on the playback devices for the mic as well then it should echo to the speakers and let you test it) [10:37] i have problem with login (kubuntu 10.10 x86_64), after inserting user and pwd i don't allow to desktop but I see login page again [10:37] James147: you're right it was muted :) [10:37] aomegax: first: create a new user and see if you can log in with them, [10:37] I have reinstalled nvidia driver too, but anything [10:38] I can enter with console [10:39] aomegax: alt+crtl+F1 to swtich to a vertual console, login then add a user with "sudo useradd -m -U USERNAME" [10:40] ok...and after? [10:40] (or adduser USERNAME) [10:41] aomegax: add a password for the user (sudo passwd USERNAME) [10:41] aomegax: then alt+ctrl+f7 to switch back to the gui and try to login with them [10:41] ok [10:42] it works [10:43] aomegax: then that suggests that there is something wrong with a config file in your home directory [10:43] mmm [10:43] but yesterday all work! [10:44] now...if i delete .kde? [10:44] aomegax: first check to see if you own all your own files :) [10:45] aomegax: may or may not work, and isent advised to just delete it [10:45] aomegax: you can try renaming it first, if it works thereafter then the problem is inside .kde [10:45] if not then its outside [10:47] reneming kde doesn't work [10:48] aomegax: then rename it back :) try running "ls -lR ~ | grep -v USERNAME | grep -v total | grep -v ^$" ... see if it outputs anything (replacing USERNAME...) it should list all files not owned by you [10:50] ok [10:51] how can i see more page? [10:51] ls -lR --less...? [10:52] aomegax: :S wasent expecting there to by many lines... but add " | less" to the end to pipe it to less [10:52] ok :) [10:52] ok there are only images [10:53] that are of www-data user [10:54] * James147 wonders why you dont own all the files in your home.... might want to do a "sudo chown -R USER:USER ~" << that will make all files in your home owned by you [10:54] ^^ or not if they are ment to be owned by www-data :) [10:54] aomegax: and I take it you still cannot login? [10:55] (just making sure) [10:55] should i restart pc? [10:55] aomegax: souldnt need to [10:55] aomegax: I would start by deleting ~/.Xauthority ... that has caused me problems in the past [10:55] hi guys, i have a question for you.... do you know the program pulse audio? i have a dolby 5.1 connected to my sound card in to the digital output, but i can select only "digital stereo" and "analog 5.1"... where can i find the "digital 5.1" exit of my sound card? [10:56] James147: no, it dosn't work [10:57] aomegax: can you pastebin xorgs log (/var/log/Xorg.0.log) [10:59] James147: if i enter with new user and I pastebin is is right? [10:59] yeah [10:59] !pastebin [10:59] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [11:00] ^^ or pastebinit [11:01] James147: http://paste.ubuntu.com [11:01] 55241 [11:01] excuse me [11:01] James147: http://paste.ubuntu.com/552416 [11:07] hmm... dont see any errors... you could try launching starting kde from a virtual konsole: http://paste.ubuntu.com/552420/ [11:09] James147: ok, one moment [11:14] after I do startx /usr/bin/startkde [11:15] xinit: connection refused (errno 111): unable to connect to x server [11:15] aomegax: sorry loged out for a sec, missed what you said (if you said anything) [11:15] aomegax: and you stoped kdm first? [11:16] James147: yes === _RaNdY is now known as RaNdY [11:16] James147: i do again it [11:18] aomegax: hmm, what graphics card do you have? [11:19] James147: when i do startx how can i save output so i can pastebin? [11:20] aomegax: you can save it to a file by appending &> ~/file (will save it to a file called file in your home directory... the & tells it to redirect stderr and stdout) [11:20] ok [11:22] James147: i haven't permission [11:23] aomegax: :S ^^ make sure the path is somewhere you can write [11:23] James147: startx &>~/file (even with &>/home/aomegax/file) [11:24] aomegax: try putting a space between the > and ~@ [11:24] "startx /usr/bin/startkde &> ~/file" [11:25] James147: nothing [11:26] James147: however after starting startx it writes again and again invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key.. [11:27] :S [11:29] aomegax: hmm, try deleting .ICEauthority [11:29] James147: where is it? [11:29] ~ [11:30] James147: there isn't [11:31] aomegax: hmm... not entirly sure what else to do rather then randomly renaming config files in ~ :S [11:32] aomegax: one approch is to move all config files to somewhere like ~/configs ... then try to log in, you can then try moving them back bit by bit untill you cant login, then thats probly the file :) [11:34] James147: mmm...where are config file? in which folder? [11:34] James147: ~/.config? [11:34] aomegax: config files tend to start with a . (makes them hidden) and normally in your home directory... .kde .config .local are where some applicaitons tend to group them [11:35] ^^ and you will not want to mode .bashrc or .profile... [11:35] move ^^ [11:35] James147: should I move to backup all .FOLDER? [11:37] aomegax: ^^ dont need to move them to a ihdden folder, can just put them in ~/backup or ~/configs or something [11:38] James147: can I do: sudo mv .* ~backup/ ? [11:40] aomegax: no, that will match everything (. expands to a single character and * matches 0 or more, so .* matches 1 or more characters) [11:40] * James147 is looking for a way around that :) [11:42] ^^ or maby it will work :S cp seems to treat it differently then mv [11:47] James147: ok I have moved all . in backup/...now can I login? [11:47] aomegax: make sure you keep .bashrc and .profile [11:47] then try to log in [11:51] James147: when i log in an alert appears: "kstartupconfig4 does not exist or fails. the error code is 3. check" when I do ok it goes to login page again [11:55] aomegax: whats the output of ls -la? [12:09] James147: I have all my folder and .bashrc and .profile (own by aomegax) [12:09] James147: now I have added .kde too... ook? [12:09] aomegax: but you still cannot log in? [12:10] James147: only with .bashrc and profile i have error with kstartupconfig [12:10] aomegax: and the new account logged in fine? [12:11] yes, fine [12:14] James147: adding .kde i have however error [12:15] Hello, I have strange insue - I can't add downloaded widget to desktop. [12:15] aomegax: hmmm, wonder what happens if you copy the configs from the new user to your user [12:16] !details | AivarasKivilius [12:16] AivarasKivilius: Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., I get the following output: ..., but I expected it to do ..." [12:17] I downloaded http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/MOC+Plasma+Client?content=135354 try to add it with "Get New Widgets" but it cant find it. Kubuntu 10.10 [12:18] not cant find, but just don't see. [12:20] James147: all .file? [12:20] James147: or only .bashrc and .profile? [12:21] Hello!!! I can't manage to have my desktop effects running under Kubuntu10.10 with a ATI Radeon X133Pro... Any idea? [12:22] ATI X1300Pro... sorry [12:22] aomegax: i would say all ^^ i really dont know why its failing at this point :S [12:23] I can't even check the box where to enable them... It used to work before... [12:23] chiiiiiz: have you installed the drivers? (open "Hardware drivers" in the menu) [12:24] Yes, when I installed... I must admit I did not check... why would they not be installed ? Its is an old board... I do not think there would be new drivers for it [12:25] It says "noproprietary drivres used...". I used the ati drivers, since Catalyst does not support it any longer [12:26] !ati [12:26] For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto [12:27] James147: always kdestartupconfig4 error [12:27] James147: :s bah! [12:29] James147: ok it works with config of new user [12:30] James147: now I put my old config === vic is now known as Guest15864 [12:33] aomegax: heh, wasent expecting that to work :S ;) [12:34] aomegax: but at least you can login again :) and slowly copy back the old configs till it breaks again === ubuntu is now known as Janni [12:46] in liveCD there is an option in "grub/loopback.cfg": "linux /casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/kubuntu.seed boot=casper maybe-ubiquity iso-scan/filename=${iso_path} quiet splash --" what I have to change to boot in "init 3" of single user mode? [12:47] * James147 thinks you append "3" to the end... but isent sure [12:47] !grub2 [12:47] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 === barraponto is now known as barraponto[MEETI === barraponto[MEETI is now known as barraponto[AWAY] [12:49] in liveCD for "kubuntu" there is an option in "grub/loopback.cfg": "linux /casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/kubuntu.seed boot=casper maybe-ubiquity iso-scan/filename=${iso_path} quiet splash --" what I have to change to boot in "init 3" of single user mode? is it possible? [12:49] ouch! [12:49] wrong channel =) [13:09] how do i set maybe LC_TIME for a specifix user? in .proile, right.. but how? [13:10] just LC_NUMERIC="de_CH.utf8"? [13:10] or LC_TIME="de_CH.utf8" [13:13] ciao a tutti [13:14] avrei un problema [13:14] ho collegato una webcam al pc, con cheese riesco a vedermi ma con altri programmi o da qualche sito non mi vedo come mai?? [13:17] scusate chi può aiutarmi?? [13:26] !it [13:26]