[01:49] <tim167> hello, my sony handycam cannot connect, can you help please ? thanks
[01:56] <billybigrigger> you need to put the handycam in usb drive mode
[01:56] <billybigrigger> the only thing you can do with the handycam is make it act like a usb harddrive
[01:56] <billybigrigger> tim167, have fun with the .mts files it spits out :)
[01:57] <billybigrigger> lemme dig up my blog post about converting .mts to something usable
[01:57] <tim167> billybigrigger: the thing is that now the camera says 'cannot recognize USB device' when I connect it to my computer...
[01:58] <billybigrigger> "now the camera says"
[01:58] <tim167> so the camera refuses to act like a usb harddrive
[01:58] <billybigrigger> so it worked before?
[01:58] <tim167> yes it worked before, on ubuntu Hardy
[01:58] <billybigrigger> hmmm
[01:58] <billybigrigger> what model?
[01:58] <billybigrigger> http://www.thefrozencanuck.ca/blog/?p=12
[01:58] <tim167> computer ?
[01:58] <billybigrigger> handycam
[01:59] <tim167> thinkpad t42, camera DCR SX40
[01:59] <billybigrigger> hmm
[01:59] <billybigrigger> HDR XR100 here
[02:01] <tim167> billybigrigger: and yours does work on Natty ?
[02:01] <billybigrigger> yup
[02:01] <billybigrigger> errr
[02:01] <billybigrigger> it worked on maverick
[02:01] <tim167> ah
[02:01] <lucent> wow, memories, I was assigned a thinkpad t42 when working at Google Inc
[02:01] <billybigrigger> so it's untest on natty
[02:01] <billybigrigger> untested
[02:01] <billybigrigger> tim167, you've checked lsusb output?
[02:01] <billybigrigger> dmesg logs?
[02:02] <tim167> billybigrigger: Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0483:2016 SGS Thomson Microelectronics Fingerprint Reader
[02:02] <tim167> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[02:03] <tim167> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[02:03] <tim167> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[02:03] <tim167> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 1058:0730 Western Digital Technologies, Inc.
[02:03] <tim167> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 04b3:4482 IBM Corp. Serial Converter
[02:03] <tim167> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[02:03] <billybigrigger> tim167, tail -f /var/log/dmesg then plug in the camera...pastebin the output
[02:03] <billybigrigger> pastebin.com
[02:03] <tim167> ok, moment
[02:04] <billybigrigger> tim167, you'll need to sudo that command if your not root
[02:05] <billybigrigger> my camera is actually in my camper 70km away so i can't even test mine :(
[02:07] <tim167> http://pastebin.com/uhkGtF6D
[02:08] <tim167> billybigrigger: there doesn't seem to happen much there
[02:08] <tim167> no messages when I connect it
[02:08] <billybigrigger> that looks to be info for your atheros wireless card...
[02:09] <billybigrigger> are you just plugging it in...or are you actually putting the camera into usb mode?
[02:09] <tim167> i'm plugging it in
[02:09] <tim167> the camera is supposed to go into usb mode by itself
[02:09] <billybigrigger> unless the camera is in usb mode, it wont show in lsusb or dmesg
[02:10] <billybigrigger> there must be a manual method through the cameras menu no?
[02:10] <billybigrigger> thats how i do it with mine
[02:10] <tim167> when plugging in it shows "recognizing" for a few seconds, and then "Cannot recognize...blabla"
[02:10] <billybigrigger> do you have another pc to test on?
[02:10] <billybigrigger> or another usb cord to test with?
[02:11] <billybigrigger> or dig around the menu, there must be a way to force usb mode
[02:11] <tim167> yes, there's a windows machine in this room, i'll test quickly
[02:13] <billybigrigger> is your user part of the storage group?
[02:13] <tim167> hmm trying manually as you suggested, this results in "Preparing" on the camera lcd...nothing else
[02:14] <tim167> billybigrigger: how do i check that ?
[02:14] <billybigrigger> someone chime in and correct me if im wrong but his user needs to be in the storage group to use usb drives correct?
[02:14] <billybigrigger> system>admin>users and groups
[02:14] <tim167> billybigrigger: other ( 'normal' ) usb drives do work btw
[02:15] <billybigrigger> then click "manage groups" scroll down and find "storage" click properties
[02:15] <billybigrigger> ensure there is a checkmark beside your name
[02:16] <tim167> billybigrigger: there is no such group...the only group starting with st- is 'staff'
[02:16] <billybigrigger> hmmm
[02:17] <billybigrigger> anyone else have some ideas? :P
[02:17] <billybigrigger> thats odd you dont have the storage group
[02:18] <billybigrigger> this is a fresh natty install...i haven't created any groups or messed with normal user/group settings
[02:18] <tim167> billybigrigger: I tried on the other machine, i may have to try another cable...
[02:19] <billybigrigger> windows machine failed to mount aswell?
[02:19] <tim167> yes, although the camera gives another message there
[02:22] <billybigrigger> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1525511.html
[02:23] <billybigrigger> did your cam come with a firewire cable?
[02:23] <billybigrigger> maybe try that
[02:23] <billybigrigger> i see on the specs its usb only
[02:23] <billybigrigger> :(
[02:24] <billybigrigger> does your laptop have a card reader?
[02:24] <billybigrigger> just put the memory stick in your laptop that way :)
[02:24] <billybigrigger> i'm throwing out suggestions...because if it's not your cable...i'm starting to get stumped
[02:25] <billybigrigger> also the fact i have to pack for work...i leave at 6am for a nice long 3 months in the bush of northern alberta :) so my mind is kind of elsewhere right now aswell :P
[02:31] <tim167> ok thanks billybigrigger
[02:45] <alex_mayorga> what was the bug that calls firefox even if it is not the default browser?
[03:06] <billybigrigger> tim167, what did you figure out?
[03:06] <tim167> hi billybigrigger
[03:06] <tim167> nope, i'm starting to think that either my camera is broken, the firmware is somehow messed up or so...
[03:07] <ldunn> Hm. This is strange. I enabled compiz, and now I can't move any windows around o.O
[03:08] <tim167> I could try to factory reset it, but i want to try to move the movies on it to a memory card first, which i don't have, so have to buy tomorrow...
[03:08] <ldunn> ...oh. you have to check "Move window" in ccsm.
[03:08] <ldunn> That kind of seems like it should be default, but maybe it's in preparation for Unity or something, idk.
[03:19] <lucent> ldunn: good thing you're here to mention that, it seems like something that might be easy to overlook
[03:37]  * Ohelig wishes Empathy supported skype.
[03:39] <Ohelig> if you guys could change one minor thing about ubuntu, what would it be?
[03:40] <Ohelig> I would either go with 'clicking in the address bar highlights the entire thing' or 'holding down middle mouse button allows for faster scrolling depending on how far you move the mouse away from it'
[03:44] <lucent> I would change distros.
[03:45] <lucent> Ubuntu has that critical-mass adoption going for it, so I'm sticking with that
[03:46] <lucent> also, Ohelig what the heck are you talking about, isn't that all a reference to Nautilus or Firefox?
[03:46] <Ohelig> what
[03:49] <lucent> address bar, scrolling, etc
[03:50] <Ohelig> well, I'm just so used to both of those happening back on windows, and was disappointed when neither happened on ubuntu :(
[03:50] <Ohelig> are you implying that they should be happening?
[03:51] <lucent> those don't happen on windows, unless there is a driver installed ... I think
[03:51] <alex_mayorga> off topic: projector vs TV LCD?
[03:51] <lucent> alex_mayorga: projector is better for a very small space, like the apartment I live in
[03:52] <lucent> I'm using a laser projector though and do not worry about costs of lamp
[03:52] <alex_mayorga> lucent: thanks, no much space here either
[03:52] <lucent> works great with Ubuntu display properties too in Gnome
[03:52] <alex_mayorga> lucent: never heard of laser projectors before
[03:53] <lucent> they're just starting on the market, I think because true Green color lasers are new technology
[03:54] <lucent> either laser as a pure light source or scanning laser to draw the image line by line
[03:54] <lucent> mine is scanning, the image is not very good but actually it's perfect because I never have to focus the image, so I like it
[08:36] <AnAnt> Hello, I just tried alpha1, so with unity,  apps that use notification area won't show up ?
[08:50] <sladen> AnAnt: yes, notification area is deprecated.  Use the indicator frameworks
[08:51] <AnAnt> sladen: where can I find details
[08:54] <sladen> AnAnt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators
[08:55] <AnAnt> sladen: thanks
[09:01] <AnAnt> sladen: ok, so I would patch an application that uses GtkStatusIcon , in order to add support for app-indicator. There is a remaining issue, is there a way that an application can detect wether the system it is running on supports app-indicator, and hence runs the app-indicator logic, otherwise it would fallback to GtkStatusIcon logic ?
[09:01] <sladen> AnAnt: it should fallback to GtkStatusIcon as a backup
[09:01] <AnAnt> sladen: which brings me to another question, what about  gnome-shell ? I think notification-area is deprected there too
[09:02] <AnAnt> sladen: I didn't understand your answer
[09:03] <sladen> AnAnt: Answer 1.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators#Custom%20Fallbacks
[09:03] <sladen> AnAnt: "By default the Application Indicator supports a fallback which will create a ?GtkStatusIcon with the same icon as the Application Indicator."
[09:04] <AnAnt> ah, thanks
[09:04] <sladen> AnAnt: Answer 2.  I don't know, GNOME 3 Shell has been a moving target.  seb128 may be able to advise better
[09:05] <sladen> AnAnt: best I've found with Googling is  http://www.ubuntugeek.com/gnome-3-system-status-area-mockups.html but that's from 9 months ago
[09:06] <sladen> AnAnt: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Guidelines/SystemStatus
[09:06] <AnAnt> sladen: so I should actually remove the GtkStatusIcon logic, and replace it with app-indicator logic ? But that means that I cannot send the patch upstream, as that code won't compile on systems that don't have app-indicator libs
[09:08] <sladen> AnAnt: use #ifdef ... #else  ... #endif  around your patch
[09:08] <AnAnt> ok
[09:08] <sladen> AnAnt: out of interest, what's the applicatoin?
[09:08] <AnAnt> sladen: minbar, monajat, hijra-applet
[09:11] <sladen> AnAnt: ideally in the process, it would be good to re-assess where the items /really/ need to be in the top bar, and whether they should be in one of the existing combined menus
[09:11] <sladen> AnAnt: eg. minbar might want to add itself to the time-and-date indicators
[09:12] <AnAnt> sladen: I've been thinking about this for the previous two cycles. In order to reduce the clutter on top
[09:13] <sladen> AnAnt: these three are actually really good use-cases, could you raise them on #ayatana and the #ayatana list
[09:13] <AnAnt> sladen: actually I tried to add monajat to the messaging menu, but it still showed up in notification area
[09:14] <sladen> AnAnt: and hopefully mpt can offer some guidance about where they might best be placed
[11:19] <shadeslayer> hio
[11:19] <shadeslayer> hi
[11:19] <shadeslayer> anyone on kubuntu natty?
[14:12] <coz_> good  day all
[14:35] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[17:09] <Kartoffel> hi guys
[17:10] <Kartoffel> have anybody  test 11.04 on Macbook 6,2 ?
[17:38] <Spirits-Sight> Anyone here able to help with video issues?
[17:39] <Spirits-Sight> its on a laptop with external monitor connected, it flicks alot
[17:39] <Spirits-Sight> also the system runs much slower then when it was running off the live CD
[17:46] <BluesKaj> vga connection to external monitor , Spirits-Sight ?
[17:46] <Spirits-Sight> yes
[17:47] <Spirits-Sight> I have the laptop on disabled
[17:47] <Spirits-Sight> however I don't think there was any different when it was enabled
[17:48] <Spirits-Sight> BluesKaj: ^^
[17:48] <BluesKaj> Spirits-Sight, what's native resolution of the external ?
[17:49] <BluesKaj> oops , gotta go for 5mins or so...bbl
[17:50] <Spirits-Sight> BluesKaj: OK hopefully see shortly :-) thanks
[17:50] <towolf> anyone know how to unlock wifi channels in natty properly according to regulatory domain? i only ever get this lowest common denominator world domain.
[17:50] <towolf> this is what i get: http://paste.ubuntu.com/552526/
[17:51] <towolf> this is what i want: http://paste.ubuntu.com/552527/
[17:53] <towolf> "iw reg set" doesn’t  work, or does it?
[18:00] <BluesKaj> back
[18:09] <BluesKaj> Spirits-Sight, perhaps adjusting the adjusting the resolution to slightly lower stting will help
[18:09] <BluesKaj> err setting
[18:12] <Spirits-Sight> Anyone here able to help with video issues? having issues with a laptop with external monitor (1440 x 900) connected using vga, it flicks alot, I have the laptop screen disabled.  However I don't think there was any different when it was enabled, also the system runs much slower then when it was running off the live CD
[18:12] <Spirits-Sight> what's native resolution of the external
[18:13] <Spirits-Sight> monitor info: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00916924&tmp_task=prodinfoCategory&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&product=3351967&key=null&site=null
[18:14] <Spirits-Sight> video card is a Nvida (don't know version)
[18:16] <Spirits-Sight> BluesKaj:  ^^
[18:16] <BluesKaj> Spirits-Sight, lspci | grep VGA
[18:20] <Spirits-Sight> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV36 [GeForce FX Go5700] (rev a1)
[18:20] <Spirits-Sight> BluesKaj: ^
[18:24] <BluesKaj> Spirits-Sight, the nvidia model might help , we need to know if the right driver is installed , the rcommended driver is listed in System-Administration-Additional Drivers"
[18:25] <Spirits-Sight> BluesKaj: I had the recommend one installed and for version it said (currect verison)  now I am trying tihe 97 I think is the number next to the other one
[18:28] <BluesKaj> Spirits-Sight, well we are on a dev OS so the drivers may not be stable yet for thi ubuntu , so I'd recommend turning doen the res  to next lowest setting temporarily
[18:28] <Spirits-Sight> BluesKaj: also note that the laptop screen does not flicker when the other one does,  also I don't know if the driver may be causeing the system to be slow but the live cd was much more responsive
[18:28] <BluesKaj> err down
[18:29] <Spirits-Sight> the live CD was 10.10 and the issue was with 10.10 also thats why I said OK lets try the new 11.04 see if it still happens
[18:30] <Spirits-Sight> I am running the 11.04 on my system and I am not having any issues that I know of, its on the laptop that is
[18:30] <Spirits-Sight> BluesKaj: will try to reduce res
[18:31] <BluesKaj> or turn off sektop effects
[18:31] <BluesKaj> err desktop effects
[18:34] <gnomefreak> i dont think you can disable compiz on the "Ubuntu Desktop Edition" instead you should use "Ubuntu Classical Edition" it doesnt run compiz
[18:34] <gnomefreak> s/Classical/Classic
[18:35] <BluesKaj> gnomefreak, ok , wasn'r aware , i run kde so desktop effects is on by default if the driver allows it
[18:37] <gnomefreak> default Gnome is Ubuntu Desktop edition. it is running Gnome "3" its 2.31 or something like that but it will be 3 at some point
[18:37] <gnomefreak> sorry its 2.32.1
[18:37] <Spirits-Sight> OK my other issue is it will not even let me use Ubuntu Desktop edition, it will just be the background only, however it will allow me to go into classic mode
[18:38] <gnomefreak> if you want something like Desktop Edition using classic you can run gnome-shell
[18:38] <gnomefreak> Spirits-Sight: yes i have same issue that is why i use classic + gnome-shell
[18:38] <gnomefreak> Spirits-Sight: the problem is the panel is timing out
[18:38] <gnomefreak> at least here it is
[18:38] <Spirits-Sight> I just want my gf system to run right, it will not under 10.10 or 11.04 but it will off the live cd run smoothly and fast
[18:39] <gnomefreak> run right == dont use 11.04 or run classic desktop
[18:39] <BluesKaj>  <--kde 4.6RC2, so I'm now officailly lost in terms of gnome knowledge :)
[18:39] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: :)
[18:39] <Spirits-Sight> :(
[18:39]  * gnomefreak loves gnome shell
[18:40] <Spirits-Sight> gnomefreak: but I can't get 10.10 to run smoothly either so I figured 11.04 since its running REALLY well for me
[18:40] <BluesKaj> gnome shaell, just another cli? right ?
[18:40] <gnomefreak> Spirits-Sight: i am going to file a bug on the Unity issue that you and i are seeing, but i was talking to charlie-tca IIRC and found it was timing out
[18:40] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: no
[18:40] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: its simular to gnome 3
[18:41] <Spirits-Sight> however I missed it up last night by trying to install gnome-shell :(  I wanted to play with that shell some more I had it in my old 10.10
[18:41] <gnomefreak> gnome-shell should have been named something else IMHO since it is not a "shell"
[18:42] <gnomefreak> !gnome-shell
[18:42] <gnomefreak> of course not :(
[18:42] <BluesKaj> uhmm yeah , it's confusing
[18:43] <gnomefreak> see http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Tour http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Screenshots
[18:44] <Spirits-Sight> besides redoing the system and putting 10.10 is there any other way to get this system to be more responsive like my system
[18:44] <gnomefreak> on the last link you see applications  if you are running gnome-shell it brings up icons for most/all of the applications
[18:45] <gnomefreak> 11.04 will not be as responsive at the moment since there is alot of effects running "Desktop Edition"
[18:45] <gnomefreak> will it change before release == not sure
[18:46]  * gnomefreak hasnt ran FF in months and i am part of the Ubuntu Mozilla team (owner of team IIRC)
[18:48] <Spirits-Sight> gnomefreak: I don't care if Ubuntu Unity running or not,  its even the classic thats causing flicking of the external monitor (which happen in 10.10 also)  I just want to have it running that when click on app it does not take forever to load and screen dims in and out while its doing so (like its giving focus) then it leaves the focus I guess
[18:48] <gnomefreak> keep in mind my problem with gnome 3 is that i only have 256mb ram with a P4 1.3ghz (the ram being the problem) but hell i cant even boot 2.6.37-12
[18:48] <BluesKaj> the new ff4 is not much to my liking , released too soon with too few options for it's "look"
[18:49] <gnomefreak> ff4 hasnt been released yet. IIRC b8 is latest
[18:49] <gnomefreak> Spirits-Sight: that is sounding like a graphics card/memory. when you say "external" you mena you are running a laptop witha  monitor?
[18:50] <BluesKaj> gnomefreak, well it came as default with nartty when used the net upgrade
[18:50] <gnomefreak> Spirits-Sight: does same thing happen if you use the laptop screen
[18:50] <BluesKaj> err natty or nutty or ? :)
[18:50] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: yes we did that because it should be released before Natty release
[18:51] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: all supported Ubuntu versions will be getting 4 as well. from this point forward all supported Ubuntu versions will get same upgrade of Mozilla apps
[18:51] <gnomefreak> this point was reall in Maverick it started
[18:52] <Spirits-Sight> gnomefreak: no, the flickering does not happen, however can't go into Unity
[18:52] <gnomefreak> Mozilla changed the way they are updateing thier apps and we are following siut
[18:53] <BluesKaj> I wish there nwas a way without using 2 partions/versions of (k)ubuntu, so the apps lists in the respective apps for kde and gnome wouldn't clutter each other's menus
[18:53] <gnomefreak> yay clutter updates, almost like my desktop wasnt cluttered enough
[18:53] <Spirits-Sight> also when loading into classic it takes about 10 15 sec and then get many err that say cancel / reload and hit reload then don't see them again even if log-off and back in however if restart then it shows again which is not really a problem right now
[18:58] <gnomefreak> the reason mine is timing out is most likely related to the lenth of time it takes for my panels to load even in classic desktop, that is why i get no panel in desktop edition
[18:59] <gnomefreak> is there a way to find out which one of the 4 graphics cards i am connected to?
[18:59] <gnomefreak> all the bug contents that get filed is telling me 5200 when i should be using 6200
[19:01] <gnomefreak> im wondering if that is related to any of my issues
[19:04] <BluesKaj> gnomefreak, sudo lshw -C video, this should show the active card and list nonactive ones below it
[19:04] <Spirits-Sight> gnomefreak: I think I will try and reinstall 10.10 on the system and hope this time things work better (Hope)
[19:05] <BluesKaj> anyway , gotta do some errands ...bbl
[19:06] <Spirits-Sight> thanks for the help!
[19:06] <Spirits-Sight> by any chance gnomefreak do you know any thing about LVM
[19:06] <Spirits-Sight> ?
[19:09] <gnomefreak> Spirits-Sight: no i dont sorry
[19:09] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: thanks trying it now
[19:10] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: that may be the problem. thanks it is telling me 5200 as the first one
[19:11] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: what does this mean?   *-display:0 UNCLAIMED
[19:14] <gnomefreak> that could explain the kernel and unity bugs for me
[19:19] <gnomefreak> Spirits-Sight: i filied the bug on Unity if you want to add to it. bug 701172  and i will return shortly, need to plug monitor into the 6200 card
[19:35] <gnomefreak> ok seems there is an issue with the 6200 card. it gives me the "motitor will turn off in 5 seconds" or something like that. this is the first time the 6200 gave me any issues and i did not plug in the 5200 on purpose. so next step is to open it up and see what is the issue
[19:36] <gnomefreak> im guessing that could be causin the font/window size the >30 seconds panel load time
[19:38] <BluesKaj> ok, finished errands
[19:39] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: i need 4 sticks of butter/margerine if you feel up to going out :)
[19:40] <gnomefreak> i can live with 2 sticks and i will pay you double what you spend on it
[19:40] <BluesKaj> too late , I'm in the easy chair and immoveable for the next while :)
[19:41] <charlie-tca> hm, I will go get them if you pick them from me ;-)
[19:42] <gnomefreak> yeah im just too damn lazy to go back out
[19:42] <gnomefreak> charlie-tca: was it you that we talked about unity timing out?
[19:42] <charlie-tca> I don't think so
[19:42] <gnomefreak> what no home delivery? :(
[19:43] <charlie-tca> snowing here, and I have to walk about 3 miles each way already
[19:43]  * charlie-tca thinks "at least it won't melt in the cold"
[19:43] <charlie-tca> Only unity discussion I remember was about nouveau and unity
[19:44] <gnomefreak> its been flurrying on and off all day but only like 10 minutes at a time so there is not anything on ground. we are however ina  sever winter storm until 4pm tomorrow
[19:44] <BluesKaj> ok, I'm getting really behind here in the gnome development ,what's unity?
[19:44] <BluesKaj> !unity
[19:44] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: unity was used in netboot desktop IIRC in Maverick
[19:44] <charlie-tca> Unity is a canonical project, I think
[19:45] <yofel> erm, netbook desktop, not netboot
[19:45] <gnomefreak> well it doesnt load here, all i get is background image
[19:45] <gnomefreak> yofel: yeah thanks
[19:45] <gnomefreak> on classic desktop it takes >30 seconds to load panels, i just counted on this boot
[19:45] <yofel> I'll try it again for a2, a1 felt crappy
[19:46] <gnomefreak> i finally got around to filing a bug on unity
[19:46] <gnomefreak> yofel: a1 was missing alot of features so it didnt work right anyway
[19:46] <BluesKaj> ok , I checked it out ..if i get a netbook I'll look at it more closely
[19:47] <yofel> BluesKaj: it's the new desktop interface, no need for a netbook ;)
[19:47] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: just install ubuntu-desktop. hint "its cheaper than buying a net book"
[19:47] <BluesKaj> it looks kinda cartonney like a lotta gnome stuff :)
[19:48] <BluesKaj> err cartooney
[19:48] <gnomefreak> makes it fun :)
[19:48] <gnomefreak> ive been using gnome-shell for a while, maybe since early Maverick dev cycle, it was a PPA and i think i am still using the PPA
[19:50] <gnomefreak> im going through 5 bugs to see if someone looked at them, they are kind of well important
[19:55] <gnomefreak> my num lock doesnt turn on during login anymore
[19:56] <rumpe1> my return doesnt work during login anymore :/
[20:00] <gnomefreak> damn i forgot i filed a bug upstream and never filied one for Ubuntu :(
[20:00] <charlie-tca> rumpe1: just arrow-down, arrow-up first, then it will work
[20:01] <gnomefreak> my return works during login. im wondering if when i turned off the login screen earlier today caused the num lock problem
[20:04]  * gnomefreak needs a smoke than maybe i can find something on my 2.6.37-12 bug
[20:10] <gnomefreak> my wife wont go pick up butter on her way home from work either ok i figure it this way. maybe i should have kept my ass in bed
[20:12] <gnomefreak> charlie-tca: any idea where i would find info on a kernel i cant get past plymouth besides dmesg files?
[20:12] <gnomefreak> gnome-shell --replace
[20:12] <gnomefreak> oh damn wrong window
[20:13] <charlie-tca> dmesg should have the information, sometimes if it failed to install completely, dpkg.log will have something
[20:15] <gnomefreak> it installed fine. i already fixed that problem but still wont load. i get a purple line on top of screen after plymouth and cant get to TTY or nothing i have to reboot using ctrl+alt+delete2
[20:16] <charlie-tca> hm, maybe it is plymouth instead of the kernel. Tried removing quiet splash from the boot line?
[20:17] <gnomefreak> charlie-tca: no i didnt, is there a way i can do it in one of the grub files or do i have to use command line in edit? please say a file
[20:17] <charlie-tca> sure - /etc/default/grub
[20:18] <gnomefreak> charlie-tca: thanks ill try that as soon as i get done with my sources list
[20:18] <charlie-tca> yywg
[20:18] <charlie-tca> You´re welcome. Good luck...
[20:18] <charlie-tca> too
[20:18] <gnomefreak> thanks
[20:22] <gnomefreak> charlie-tca: do i need to run update-grub?
[20:23] <charlie-tca> yes, gnomefreak
[20:23] <gnomefreak> i should be ok just commenting it out right?
[20:24] <charlie-tca> no, got to use " " with a space between or it puts it right back in
[20:24] <charlie-tca> on boot
[20:24] <gnomefreak> damn, ok thanks
[20:26] <charlie-tca> got me many times before I found that out
[20:26] <gnomefreak> did we stop using webkit or atleast cut down on uses?
[20:27] <BUGabundo> this is funky! open FF3.6, do upgrades. AWESOME bar autocomplete stops working :|
[20:27] <charlie-tca> gnomefreak: don't know about webkit
[20:27] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: what are you doing with 3.6 in Natty? :-)
[20:28] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: IIRC that has been a problem for some time now or at least i remember people complaining adn filing bugs on it
[20:28] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: stuck with it! still works. some addons don't on FF4
[20:28] <charlie-tca> Oh, that's right. I just gave them up myself...
[20:29] <charlie-tca> I would really like "down them all" back
[20:29] <gnomefreak> i have 2 versions of 4.0 on natty b8 and b9
[20:29] <gnomefreak> not sure why either
[20:30] <charlie-tca> I seem to be on beta 8 here, with a canonical line added
[20:30] <gnomefreak> seems cli companion has no natty PPA either
[20:30] <gnomefreak> b8 is the official version in natty
[20:30] <gnomefreak> 4.0~b9~hg20110109r60259+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1
[20:30]  * gnomefreak wonders why i have both official and ppa versions
[20:31] <gnomefreak> 10.10 was maverick right?
[20:31] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: you can have it again
[20:31] <BUGabundo> they  released a new version two weeks ago
[20:31] <charlie-tca> It's working in 4.0 now?
[20:31] <BUGabundo> yes
[20:31]  * gnomefreak uses chrome more so than firefox
[20:31] <charlie-tca> gnomefreak: yes, 10.10 was maverick
[20:31] <bjsnider> chromium
[20:31] <charlie-tca> Thanks, BUGabundo
[20:31] <gnomefreak> thanks
[20:32] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: yeah i know its just a licencing reason for name change
[20:32] <gnomefreak> charlie-tca: its working in 4.0 now? what is "it"
[20:32] <charlie-tca> down them all
[20:32] <gnomefreak> oh
[20:33] <charlie-tca> download manager that works really well and really fast
[20:33] <gnomefreak> it never let me download shows from tnt channel
[20:34]  * gnomefreak should really start playing with Cli Companion again one of these days
[20:34] <charlie-tca> I never had a problem with it
[20:35] <gnomefreak> i had wanted to download Charmed and Leverage from thier web site but it didnt give me a choice, it could be a nonfree issue for all i know
[20:36]  * gnomefreak has way too many PPAs in my sources list, some are commented out until i need them but still
[20:37] <gnomefreak> be back sortly im going to test kernel now
[20:40] <BluesKaj> charlie-tca, is medibuntu repos ready in natty yet?
[20:49] <gnomefreak> charlie-tca: it seems removing quiet splash from GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT did not help -12 still only gives me the purple line on top of screen, thanks for the suggestion
[20:53] <charlie-tca> hm, try nomodeset in place of those
[20:56] <gnomefreak> charlie-tca: you mean remove quiet splash and insert nomodset in its place?
[20:56] <charlie-tca> yup
[20:56] <charlie-tca> Sometimes that helps when the graphics aren't working right
[20:57] <gnomefreak> ok ill test it
[20:58] <BUGabundo> great
[20:58] <BUGabundo> now I lost gtk themes
[21:02] <charlie-tca> You didn't use nomodeset, did you? It was for gnomefreak...
[21:03] <BUGabundo> ofc not
[21:03] <BUGabundo> started crashing today
[21:04] <charlie-tca> You know w-a-a-ay more then me. I don't think I can you any except to listen
[21:06] <guntbert> to what package does the "dialog": "Sorry, you don't have 3d support......" belong? (you get that when you try to start with "ubuntu desktop edition" and don't have 3d enabled)
[21:06] <charlie-tca> I don't know. It was added after alpha1, though
[21:07] <charlie-tca> Maybe unity? since it only applies when trying to start the unity desktop
[21:08] <guntbert> charlie-tca: good idea, I'll file the bug against unity and we will see ...
[21:20] <gnomefreak> charlie-tca: i have to go cook but just wanted to let you know that nomodeset did not help either, but thank you much for the suggestions. be back later
[21:29] <Kartoffel> hey, has anybody test GeForce 320M on Natty ?
[21:32] <BUGabundo> hey guys, look at what I just got: http://p.bugabundo.net/got-my-mozilla-tshirt-for-beta-testing-firefo
[21:58] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: nice!
[21:58] <BUGabundo> thanks
[21:59] <charlie-tca> Makes some of that testing seem worth it, huh?
[22:05] <BUGabundo> yeah it does charlie-tca
[22:05] <BUGabundo> and have system crash on copying files DOESN'T
[22:30] <Guest27339> hello, i suspect serious problems in natty. how do i report them ?
[22:32] <yofel> !bugs | Guest27339
[22:32] <Guest27339> thanks yofel
[22:35] <Guest27339> ok, just for the record, it seems that each time a natty is shut down improperly (violently), it provokes filesystem (ext4) severe inconsistencies, despite journaling and everything.
[22:36] <Guest27339> I never saw that with maverick (and the same filesystems)
[22:39] <gnomefreak> i lost grub graphics, used to be purple with the kernels in a small/nice size font, now it is black with white font and huge :(
[22:40] <Guest27339> gnomefreak : happened to me to in error conditions, but when rebooting the nice purple background seems to reappear again
[22:41] <Guest27339> s/to/too/
[22:41] <gnomefreak> mine was fine than the last 4 reboots it changed
[22:42] <gnomefreak> but dispite my res. at 1600x1200 the system font is huge. i cant recall the command for launching system>prefferences>appearance
[22:42] <gnomefreak> i don thave a menu item for that atm
[22:42] <Guest27339> dpkg-reconfigure console-utils perhaps ?
[22:43] <Guest27339> for the console font
[22:43] <gnomefreak> console font is fine its everything else. and it was a much smaller command IIRC
[22:46] <gnomefreak> this is 1 flaw gnome-shell has. the config settings are hard to find if they are listed at all
[22:47] <Guest27339> sorry, i thought the problem was with the console font
[22:48] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: gnome-appearance-properties?
[22:48] <gnomefreak> no its system font. name of windows,menus ect
[22:48] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: thanks that is it
[22:48] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: It's in the control center if you're using gnome-shell from the PPA
[22:49] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: The individual apps aren't really meant to be used, everything is supposed to go through the control center
[22:49] <gnomefreak> i am and i didnt see control center
[22:49] <gnomefreak> i go to activities>applications
[22:49] <Amaranth> I don't know how to get to it, just how it is supposed to work :)
[22:50] <gnomefreak> i just added gnome-appearance-properties to my favorites so its easy to recall
[22:54] <gnomefreak> seems to me that opening terminal profile prefferances causes everything to disappear and reappear until you close it, but it is un usable
[22:54] <gnomefreak> i want unity back
[22:56] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: i figured how to get into control center. there is an almost invisable desktop search thing
[22:59]  * gnomefreak needs to stop fighting with bots
[23:32] <coz_> what's the direct link to posting new bug?/  launchpad is way to slow to maneauver in