=== TerrorPlotter is now known as MrAnthrope [01:36] Hello Everyone! [01:37] Hai ShootEmUp :) [01:37] whats up ChirsDruif? [01:38] nm :) [01:41] ShootEmUp: like in the movie shootemup?? [01:42] kinda just a referance to shootemup style games [01:42] oh [01:42] like Cod? [01:42] my fav games [01:42] yup [01:42] I also like RTS's, like CnC [01:43] ShootEmUp: PS3? [01:43] nope, PC and Wii [01:43] BOOOOO!!! [01:43] Wii? [01:43] the Wii is not that bad [01:44] It's a good chep system [01:44] ShootEmUp: Then you haven't tried Kinect yet ;) [01:44] BOOOOO! [01:45] Listen: I don't like Microsoft one bit, but that Kinect works pretty good. And so does their Office-Suite I'm afraid to say... [01:46] It's not that I hate microsoft, it that Kinect is too little, to late to take on the Wii [01:47] That's what you think ;) [01:47] I prefer it over Wii :) [01:47] is it out selling the Wii? I don't think so [01:48] I wouldn't mind having one [01:48] but again, too little, to late [01:49] don't even get me started on the Playstation move [01:49] I won't :) [01:49] good [01:50] If I had the cash I would buy me a Xbox360 [01:50] Haven't tried that, nor would I think I will ever like it above the Kinect :) [01:50] im buying one next week ;) [01:51] xbox? [01:52] yep [01:52] cool, I've hered good things about it [01:56] stlsaint, black ops is a good game if you like shootemup (pun intended!) games [01:56] ShootEmUp: i hate black ops, i only play the gun game for wager matches and ZOMBIES!! [01:56] i play zombies everyday!! [01:57] *GASP* [01:57] black ops on the Wii is epic! [01:57] single player is crap, but online rocks! [02:13] hello all. Does anyone have ubuntu setup in their home theater and if so how does it for you? [02:14] I meant work for you? [02:15] i have a HTPC setup [02:15] really just a computer on the TV [02:16] not doing much else with it [02:16] works great [02:16] I understand. I currently have windows 7 but I am having problems with display resolution. R u using mythbuntu or ubuntu [02:17] im not using any of the myth packages [02:18] r u recording tv with it or no? [02:18] nah [02:18] i have an ancient cable card [02:18] i set up an XP box to use with it [02:18] its windows only [02:18] not sure if im going to keep that or not [02:18] i was trying to make a DVR out of what i had laying around [02:19] free-VR :) [02:20] Thats what im trying to do but u get screwed by the cable companies and m$. cant record with the new cable card standard & that is all my cable provider uses [02:20] drag [02:20] thats what i was hoping to do next [02:20] get a different card [02:21] brb [02:26] Holstein: sorry. I just put my htpc back in the entetainemtn center & it gave me an overheating alarm [02:27] hi [02:27] hello [02:29] I just installed the xchat. so proud of myself [02:29] * st33med applauds [02:29] joined 9 groups - I know i will lurk on most. this is the one i really need [02:30] o and the loco group [02:31] does anyone have experience with wubi. good way to try ubuntu [02:31] i think wubi is great [02:31] Noooo [02:31] Wubi is the worst way to try Ubuntu [02:32] i am so sick of windows i did not want to try it that way [02:34] i am still learning ubuntu as in really newb. I was hoping to be able to use it without trashing a system. if i screw it up just reinstall [02:35] what do u recommend aveilleus? [02:37] Dual-boot. [02:39] ok. what about a VM using vbox? [02:40] why dual boot vs other options is what i am getting at? [02:43] sorry, i was on the phone [02:43] the good thing about wubi is you can uninstall it like a program from windows [02:43] IF changing your drive is scary for you for some reason [02:44] Dual booting gives you the ability to run on your native hardware, without any weird setup like wubi, and it's totally reversible and nondestructive. [02:44] and the newer boxes dont usually come with acutal windows install disks [02:44] so reverting to a windows only box can be challening [02:44] No [02:44] not at all [02:45] you run fixmbr from? [02:45] Nothing. [02:45] You just remove the Windows partition and tell GRUB to boot right into Windows. It's not hard to do from the LiveCD [02:45] right [02:45] then you have grub booting windows [02:45] thats not fully reverted [02:46] Does it matter? [02:46] well, it might to Unguided [02:47] i feel like in the spirit of full disclosure [02:47] aveilleux: Dual Booting also (usually) requires shrinking the windows partition and creating a new partition for Ubuntu (which can result in problems if not done right) [02:47] grub should be read about [02:47] and discussed [02:47] holstein, they called me a troll on the ##windows chanel I think I ginna cry.:) [02:47] what exactly is happening to the drive [02:47] *gonna [02:47] nit-wit: ;) [02:47] nhandler: The partitioner does it automatically [02:48] holstein, they had never heard of lilo.lol [02:48] you could in theory not have access to a windows recovery partition [02:48] aveilleux: Yes (now it does). It still has its risks though [02:48] holstein: ...who has recovery partitions anymore? [02:49] aveilleux: everyone [02:49] aveilleux: um, all modern windows laptops! [02:49] they dont make CD's anymore [02:49] recovery discs [02:49] That's stupid. [02:49] agreed [02:49] BUT still, something to be aware of [02:49] Most companies will send you a disk to re-install windows for free if you ask [02:50] nhandler: ive gotten them from acer and HP before [02:50] for free [02:50] or you can make the one time recover disk set within windows (vista and above) [02:50] I have a laptop that I rebuilt from the ground up so no recovery partition etc. i just wanted to "play' while learning before rolling it out to a computer in the house. If i screw up I canjust uninstall and start over. no harm no foul. [02:50] Unguided: if you have a windows CD [02:51] and your data is backed up [02:51] have fun :) [02:51] dual boot [02:51] no dought thats the way to go over wubi if you're comfortable with the process [02:51] and the risks [02:53] the answer for ME was - since i have 3 computers at home. Use one to learn Ubuntu, it has taken me several years in between working and playing silly games. to finally get it. I bought the Ubuntu magazines every 6 months and tried with the newest version then i bought the Ubuntu bible for 8.04 and now i got 10.04 [02:53] Im okay with that. I just didnt want to rebuild the laptop from scratch just yet but still wanted to work with the system. There is a lot to leran with a whole new OS and thought with wubi i would at least have something to fall back on [02:54] I agree Unguided [02:55] the whole network thing is getting me now. once i get that - i can switch all 3 computers. but i also want to do cloud computing [02:55] egossett: samba? [02:55] o really? [02:55] o// [02:56] what is samba? [02:56] oh, i thought maybe that was the networking woes you were having [02:56] checking the ubuntu tweak now [02:56] samba is how we would communicate with windows shares [02:56] egossett: Samba's file sharing [02:56] I just bought ubuntu unleashed 2011 edition. So i am learning how to install pitfalls etc. I havent been this excited about learning in a long time. I used to work for an IT department at a hospital but they were al windows machines. I guess i am just being cautious. Nothing like hosing a perfectly great system b/c of the idiot user at the keyboard (me) [02:57] Unguided: get the live cd [02:57] the installer is quite clear [02:57] i think the alternate installer is a little more challening to read and select [02:58] but setting up a dual boot with the normal live CD isnt a big deal really [02:58] okay. [02:59] a lot same up with the samba search, file share and network admin. I will look at this [02:59] thank you [03:00] i did the live cd for knoppix, suse, [03:00] and some others. [03:00] ah, cool [03:00] knoppix is fast and handy [03:00] installed fedora and it crashed several times went back to ubuntu [03:00] i like the suse studio [03:01] i hope we see something like that for ubuntu soon [03:01] that was over 1 yr ago [03:01] i always came back to ubuntu and now the 10.04 seems best for me for now [03:02] really awesome indeed [03:02] yeah, ubuntu is usually the go-to for a 'just works' system [03:02] right you are, egossett, although i like my maverick. [03:02] the maverick installer is pretty nice [03:03] i liked the way the files were already copying while i was answering the keyboard layout questions and whatnot [03:03] * ianto just erased Maverik in place for Gentoo but he's gotta admit that the Maverik installer was really good [03:03] i had that too. but decided to go with this LTS so i can really learn - as Unguided said there is so much to learn [03:03] That's something Windows doesn't have :D [03:03] ianto, you do C++ or C? [03:04] JackyAlcine: C [03:04] yes maverick was good. somehow i ruined it. and had to reinstall. but i have made a backup of my 10.04 already - to usb [03:04] Can you tell me the major differences between the two, especially in C? [03:04] * JackyAlcine is a C++ guy. =/ [03:04] sorry Jacky i am not able to tell you difference. to newb [03:05] no IT - I am self taught [03:06] JackyAlcine: I'm not really sure about how to answer that to be honest, perhaps a search for "C C++ Comparison" on Google might help (I have no X server atm) [03:06] o.o! I can't run a console-based system; I'm too scared. [03:07] I mean, I know how to, and I've done, but >_< [03:07] ianto: you're on a command line only box? [03:07] you do wifi on there? [03:08] i was looking at wicd-curses [03:08] holstein: i agree with you. the suse studio looks sweet. i hope there is a studio for ubuntu soon. that would be awesome [03:08] holstein: Yeah I can do wifi on here, connecting to q WEP or unsecure network is easy through command line but I get stick with wpa networks ;) [03:08] *stuck [03:09] cool [03:09] holstein: im dyslexic. do u know of nay free video training programs? it would really help me get up to speed quickly [03:10] *any [03:10] * ianto has just CLI on his laptop so that he can just open it up, open up vim, write code and then feed it through gcc [03:11] i wanted a CLI on my EEE [03:11] for the speed [03:11] and for me to learn [03:11] holstein: do you think i should install gdmin-samba (i want to create network for 3 computers, wifi for two laptops and vpn on all three computers). [03:12] *gadmin-samba [03:12] sure [03:12] there were a couple of apps that make life easier [03:12] that i used in the past [03:12] and i forget the particulars [03:13] egossett: i would fire up synaptic [03:13] and search samba [03:13] ok [03:13] thanks [03:13] and you can probably get a good idea of what would be helpful [03:13] from the descriptions [03:13] egossett: setting up permissions is usually the only tricky bit [03:14] yes it is. I am so confused with that - must learn [03:14] hahahaha [03:14] i did get a nice funcional printing situation going on at home [03:15] from linux to windows [03:15] and at a church [03:15] from windows to linux [03:15] so i know its possible [03:15] it was fiddly [03:15] this was a couple years ago though [03:15] im sure its easier now [03:31] holstein: how does network boot work in ubuntu? if the client is diskless does it boot an image from the host? [03:32] Unguided: i still havent really worked all of that out [03:32] im not sure how dependant on hardware you are with that [03:32] maybe you can make a live CD [03:32] or floppy [03:33] that just goes looking on the network for the OS [03:33] Unguided: but yeah, you just have the disk image hosted somewhere [03:34] I was referring to how linuxmce works. I set up the server and let the client boot diskless and it worked great but didnt understand what was happening in the background [03:34] AH cool [03:34] so you're ahead of me on that then :) [03:35] Unguided: where did you have the OS disk ? [03:36] the OS loads on the server. I just set the client to boot from the network. the client found the server and booted right up. it looked just like the servers screen etc. they dont use client/server they use another term but essentially the same thing [03:37] PXE boot? [03:37] on the client? [03:37] yes. [03:38] check out linuxmce.org it is based on ubuntu but i believe they are a few versions behind [03:38] i had a hard time finding the image [03:38] when i was looking probably last year sometime [03:39] you mean for linuxmce or in general? [03:39] AH [03:39] http://linuxmce.iptp.org/snapshots/ [03:39] heres some [03:39] i think that page was down when i was looking last [03:41] well I installed samba and need to do the backup but i will return another time to chat with all. Unguided hope you find solutions comfortable for you You are gonna love ubuntu i know i do. [03:44] thanks egossett. i believe i will also. i just checked it is still is down but the snapshots is what i found. check out the gallery and then video. the only thing i didnt necessarily like was the fact that the server took over everything. dhcp, router, etc. at that time i barely knew what linux was let alone anything else [03:47] Unguided: i remember being a little daunted by the setup, and thinking it was overkill for what i wanted [03:49] yeah. i thought the same thing. i didnt liek some of the other things either like the home theater receiver had to use ir emitters or be serial controlled. i dont have a receiveer with a serial port on it [03:49] *like [03:49] darn i have suasages for fingers [03:49] *sausages [03:51] hehe [03:51] I know the developers work really hard to get the software out but they are still at version 8.10 [03:54] They even incorporate mythtv. I think if the mythbuntu guys got with linuxmce guys they could make a distro that would rock anything else out on there [03:55] for home theater applications [04:00] holstein: how does remote access work in linux? is it the same as remote desktop for windows? [04:00] Unguided: what is the goal? [04:01] i think you'll find the same funcionality [04:01] if not more [04:01] just different ways to do things [04:01] VNC is a way to control the desktop remotely [04:01] most use SSH though [04:01] i will sit with my laptop, log in to systems in the house and deploy new software, run updates, fix comuters etc. [04:01] yeah, you can so that with SSH [04:02] do* [04:02] im running this chat session on a server [04:02] i connect via SSH [04:03] okay. sounds like i still need to read more. did you have any suggestions on free training videos for ubuntu. i would get up to speed really quickly [04:03] Unguided: i dont [04:03] but there are tons of guides [04:03] if you need something, you can always ask her [04:03] e [04:03] or google ubuntuwiki sshserver [04:03] or whatever [04:04] SO many wiki pages [04:04] and a guy of your skills is going to have no trouble falling in [04:06] kewl. i appreciate your help. [04:06] anytime [04:08] i just installed a wifi enabled programmable thermostat in the house yesterday. now i can control the heat from my smartphone. [04:08] cool [04:09] my pop had an x10 rig [04:09] years ago [04:09] the software was on several floppies [04:09] windows 95 i think [04:09] worked great [04:09] little remote control units to turn the heat up [04:10] and the lights off and on [04:10] timers [04:18] yeah. i log in to the web portal and set eveything up there [04:19] you had to hook this up [04:19] the brain [04:19] serial connection [04:19] and edit the config [04:19] cool for 15 years ago [04:20] holstein, you a fan of bill laswell [04:21] yeah. this thing has the ability to have two radios so u can use home automation software etc [04:21] nit-wit: im not totally hip to him [04:21] same price as the other programmable thermostats [04:21] im sure ive heard him [04:22] holstein, the brain reference, one of the drummers that plays for him made me wonder [04:22] hehe [04:22] holstein, you want a link to something [04:22] nit-wit: sure [04:22] hold a second [04:23] i [04:23] hi [04:23] how are you holstein [04:24] holstein, this was from a PBS special that had from bootsy collins to bucket head to some othere biggies check out who is playing the tablas.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEQa6hSzUWQ [04:25] shawn146_: im good, and you? [04:25] somewhat good [04:25] dad got a new keyboard [04:25] i can doa lot more lol [04:25] holstein, bill is the dub king this is a sort of off shoot from his regular activities. [04:25] but now i want to try to get linux working on my jornada [04:26] i do not want to miss another day or night [04:28] could you help me? [04:29] nit-wit: i dont recognize the tabla player [04:29] ? [04:30] hello [04:30] shawn146_: did you prepare that CF card? [04:30] holstein, akbar forget the last name one of the best in gthe world [04:30] i think thats your best bet [04:30] nit-wit: cool :) [04:30] not yet [04:30] i like it [04:30] here one sec [04:30] shawn146_: i would say after you do that, and it fails [04:30] i actually got someones attention in #jlime lol [04:30] IF it fails [04:30] i am going to talk to him for a bit [04:30] holstein, Pharaoh Sanders was in this broad cast as well [04:31] its time to put that thing to good use [04:31] as a paperweight or something [04:34] holstein, ZAKIR HUSSAIN is the percussionist. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As1OMMcHXFs [04:35] scarry player [04:35] ?? [04:35] he is great player [04:35] AbhiJit, I agree one of the best and so was his father [04:35] yah [04:36] nit-wit, do you play some music instrument? [04:36] nit-wit: nice [04:36] AbhiJit, are you indian [04:36] i like how effortless tabla seems [04:36] nit-wit, ofcourse! [04:36] nit-wit, i play violine!!!! [04:36] cool [04:36] nit-wit, you? [04:36] AbhiJit, American but a Jazz musician [04:37] nit-wit, nice to hear that [04:37] AbhiJit, have you heard any of holstein [04:37] no [04:37] what is that? [04:37] AbhiJit, he is on this page [04:37] hehe [04:38] you'd have to really want it to find me [04:38] holstein, ?? [04:38] holstein, give us another link you master bass player you:) [04:38] hmmm [04:38] holstein, 'what' are you? or who are you? :p [04:38] holstein, you are a musician too? [04:38] AbhiJit, he is a great player.:) [04:39] ok [04:39] holstein, nice to meet you too. which instu you play? [04:39] holstein, I have the chick cover saved should I post it [04:39] nit-wit, sure! [04:39] :P [04:40] AbhiJit, I think they are looking for something to post [04:40] nit-wit, they? [04:41] the person we are talking to I referenced [04:41] ohh [04:41] * AbhiJit waits [04:41] http://vimeo.com/13482653 [04:41] ok [04:41] holstein, thakns.:) [04:42] holstein, you are the one on piano or cello? [04:42] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnThpo0Atk [04:42] ^^ i like youtube better [04:43] seems lighter on resources [04:43] AbhiJit: bass [04:43] holstein, bass means that big instru looks like violine? [04:43] i dont know their proper names [04:44] holstein, watch out John Patitucci [04:44] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnThpo0Atk#t=2m50s [04:44] nit-wit: hehe [04:44] oyeeee [04:44] whos who? [04:45] i dont know what bass means? [04:45] holstein, ?? [04:45] AbhiJit, its the stringed thing the enormous violin [04:45] AbhiJit: bass viol [04:45] i can only see one piano and one cello [04:45] ohh its called viola? [04:45] ok [04:46] viol da gamba [04:46] cello is smaller [04:46] tuned in 5ths [04:46] hmm [04:46] i see [04:46] and part of the violin family [04:46] i only familiar with violine! [04:46] you play them seated [04:46] yeah [04:46] you can play bass seated too [04:46] both way [04:46] i see [04:46] but you cant really stand with a cello [04:47] AbhiJit: so you play sitting down [04:47] with the top of the violine on your knee? [04:47] holstein, no. i mean i can play both way sitting down and standing. as per my mood and songs mood!!! [04:47] :) [04:47] holstein, you are from which country? [04:47] US [04:47] holstein, i learned 1st the sitting method then standing [04:48] ok [04:48] holstein, sorry for outing you.:) [04:48] nit-wit: nah, thanks :) [04:48] im horrible at self promotion [04:48]