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[08:39] <AnAnt> Hello, I just tried alpha1, so with unity,  apps that use notification area won't show up ?
[08:54] <kklimonda> AnAnt: indeed, they won't show up in the notification area
[09:10] <AnAnt> kklimonda: thanks
[09:21] <huats> morning
[09:36] <rodrigo_> morning
[15:41] <highvoltage> hi, any feedback on bug #683833?
[15:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 683833 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Unity should be in recommends, not depends for ubuntu-desktop (affects: 1) (heat: 96)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683833
[15:41] <fagan> highvoltage: I always thought the default interface was always in depends
[15:42] <fagan> (for ubuntu-desktop)
[15:43] <highvoltage> fagan: indeed, but that was when it just provided one interface
[15:44] <fagan> highvoltage: well its just a metapackage so it doesnt really matter too much if its installed or not
[15:45] <fagan> other than upgrading from release to release that changes some apps around
[15:45] <highvoltage> fagan: it does, because edubuntu-desktop depends on it
[15:46] <highvoltage> fagan: and the alternative would be to maintain all of the pretty much in the edubuntu-desktop package, which would be kind of sucky in terms of maintenance
[15:47] <fagan> highvoltage: or you could do the edubuntu package as a minimal set of apps that edubuntu depends on and reccomend ubuntu-desktop
[15:47] <fagan> or kubuntu-desktop...etc
[15:47] <highvoltage> fagan: that's how it works at the moment, except that ubuntu-desktop will install unity
[15:48] <highvoltage> fagan: which we just want to make optional in the installer
[15:48] <fagan> highvoltage: well its an option at login anyway for classic or unity
[15:49] <highvoltage> fagan: yes, but that's not the same, and not good enough
[15:50] <fagan> highvoltage: I dont think you get what i mean you could have the option for using which desktop environment in the installer and set that as the default for the login
[15:52] <highvoltage> fagan: I realise we can do that, it would just be ideal to match what we have in Maverick
[15:52] <highvoltage> fagan: and it's kind of pointless installing something that's bound to have updates that won't be used
[15:53] <fagan> highvoltage: hmmmm well after they pick which one they want to use you could hold back the other one in the installer but id say that would take a little more hacking
[16:16]  * JackyAlcine is up and about; and missed school. O.O
[16:23] <geser> mterry: Hi, can you review/sponsor https://code.launchpad.net/~geser/ubuntu/natty/gssdp/gir1.2-transition/+merge/45601 and https://code.launchpad.net/~geser/ubuntu/natty/gupnp/gir1.2-transition/+merge/45602 when you've time?
[16:26] <mterry> geser, looking
[16:29] <mterry> geser, for gssdp, it would be better to file a sync request for 0.8.2-1 from Debian experimental I think.  That way we don't have a delta
[16:32] <mterry> geser, same for gupnp actually?
[16:32] <mterry> brb
[16:32] <geser> missed to check in experimental
[16:42] <rodrigo_> heh, all sprinters connect at the same time :-)
[16:49] <geser> mterry: thanks for catching it, sync requests filed as bug #701095 and bug #701097 (awaiting sponsoring)
[16:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 701095 in gssdp (Ubuntu) "Sync gssdp 0.8.2-1 (main) from Debian experimental (main) (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/701095
[16:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 701097 in gupnp (Ubuntu) "Sync gupnp 0.14.1-1 (main) from Debian experimental (main) (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/701097
[16:53] <mterry> geser, ok, will check those in a sec
[17:00] <mterry> geser, approved, thanks!
[17:06] <rodrigo_> can someone please review and upload this https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/gsettings-desktop-schemas/0_1_4_release/+merge/45715 ?
[18:04] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, pitti, mterry: can you please review and upload https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/gsettings-desktop-schemas/0_1_4_release/+merge/45715 and https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/gsettings-desktop-schemas/0_1_4_release/+merge/45715 ?
[18:04] <mterry> rodrigo_, same url?
[18:04] <rodrigo_> oh, wait
[18:04] <rodrigo_> the other one is https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/gnome-desktop3/2_91_5_release/+merge/45727
[18:05] <mterry> rodrigo_, I can't do gsettings-desktop-schemas either
[18:05] <rodrigo_> oh, ok don't worry then
[18:22] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, is the gwibber database documented at all?
[18:30] <fagan> rickspencer3: is all of canonical on the sprint?
[18:31]  * fagan is trying to get an update on something and everyone seems to have a conference/canonicalsprint cloak 
[18:33] <fagan> oh and rickspencer3 awesome post on your blog
[18:34] <Amaranth> eep, someone made clicking the close button close banshee
[18:35] <Amaranth> or I changed a setting and forgot about it
[18:35] <rickspencer3> fagan, most of us are here, and thanks!
[18:35] <Amaranth> oh, the sound menu plugin got disabled
[18:36] <fagan> rickspencer3: oh ok that must be why
[18:36] <fagan> ill try again next week
[18:37] <Amaranth> hehe, you guys all get to be on my time now :)
[18:39] <fagan> I wonder if this sprint has anything to do with CES
[21:06] <robert_ancell> mvo, do you have a magic tool to install all the ubuntu-desktop packages?
[21:06] <pitti> mvo: (that is to say, all missing recommends)
[21:08] <dobey> apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop|grep Recommends|cut -d: -f2|sed -e 's#,##g'|xargs sudo apt-get install
[21:08] <dobey> though it aborted for me
[21:09] <mvo> robert_ancell: apt-get install --fix-policy
[21:09] <robert_ancell> mvo, does that just install any recommends that are missing?
[21:10] <mvo> robert_ancell: yes
[21:10] <robert_ancell> mvo, ta
[21:15] <Amaranth> mvo: wow, that's useful. I always just remove ubuntu-desktop and install it again :)
[21:18] <mvo> Amaranth: yw, I should blog about it to make it more widely known
[21:20] <Laney> sudo aptitude install "?reverse-recommends(ubuntu-desktop) ?not(?installed)
[21:20] <Laney> "
[22:51] <chrisccoulson> robert_ancell, http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.urlbar.default.behavior
[22:51] <chrisccoulson> i'm guessing there are new values for the tab matching
[23:03] <chrisccoulson> robert_ancell, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/places/public/mozIPlacesAutoComplete.idl
[23:03] <chrisccoulson> that's where the values for that preference is defined
[23:04] <seb128> robert_ancell, hello
[23:04] <seb128> robert_ancell, hello
[23:04] <seb128> robert_ancell, hello
[23:05] <robert_ancell> seb128, hello
[23:05] <seb128> robert_ancell, bug #683142
[23:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 683142 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "the launchers claiming for attention on an autohiden launcher should stay visible (affects: 1) (heat: 96)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683142
[23:05] <seb128> bug #683141
[23:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 683141 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "the claim for attention animation should be longer (affects: 2) (heat: 94)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683141
[23:20] <TheMuso> seb128: Gary and Jason were telling me about a question you were asking, they thought it was something to do with dbus. Were you in fact enquiring about the version of at-spi that might be used?
[23:22] <seb128> TheMuso, yes, I was telling him that we need to decide on what version of at-spi we will using
[23:22] <seb128> TheMuso, quite some cruft just stay on the CD because of at-spi now
[23:23] <seb128> like libgnome2 or libbonoboui
[23:23] <TheMuso> seb128: Right, I think at this point there will be no change, unless at-spi2 improves a lot. I am going to test it some more this week after the latest tarball updates, and I will have a better idea then.
[23:23] <seb128> :-(
[23:23] <TheMuso> Yeah I agree.
[23:23] <seb128> TheMuso, what are the issue with the new at-spi?
[23:23] <TheMuso> performace.
[23:24] <TheMuso> performance even.
[23:24] <Amaranth> TheMuso: because of dbus?
[23:24] <seb128> TheMuso, is anybody working on fixing those issues? is there any way to help the effort?
[23:25] <TheMuso> Amaranth: Yes. A few work-arounds have been added recently, like opening direct sockets for some communication, but I am not sure how far along that is. I also believe some code refactoring has been done, particularly in relation to the python bindings now wrapping C code to do a lot of the heavy lifting.
[23:26] <Amaranth> ah, I don't think the python dbus binding really has performance in mind
[23:26] <TheMuso> Tey are being addressed as far as I know. I can certainly enquire as to where help can be given to move things along.
[23:26] <Amaranth> It's more of a "look at how cool python is" binding :)
[23:26] <TheMuso> Amaranth: Have you looked atht eocde...
[23:26] <seb128> TheMuso, that would be nice, thanks
[23:26] <TheMuso> np will do.
[23:26] <Amaranth> TheMuso: nope
[23:27] <TheMuso> ah ok.
[23:27] <seb128> TheMuso, btw did you mean to update moustweak to the newest serie?
[23:28] <TheMuso> Yes. Is there a problem?
[23:28] <TheMuso> There are only translations.
[23:28] <seb128> TheMuso, we want to drop gtk3 from the CD
[23:28] <seb128> but the new version bring it in
[23:28] <TheMuso> Oh right, I can look at pulling that out again.
[23:39] <TheMuso> o/c
[23:39] <TheMuso> seb128: Hrm ok this is going to be difficult... Mousetweaks only uses GTK3 now. I will have to role it back to the latest version that uses GTK 2.
[23:40] <seb128> TheMuso, right...
[23:40] <seb128> don't use an epoch though, just tweak the version
[23:40] <TheMuso> Yep thats what I was thinking.
[23:41] <seb128> sorry about the trouble
[23:41] <TheMuso> No problem.