[00:34] <Azelphur> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/January%202011/IMG_20110110_002736.jpg
[00:34] <Azelphur> mission control...battered but once again semi-operational \o/
[00:42] <hamitron> wtf you done?
[00:42] <hamitron> ;/
[00:49] <hamitron> brb, coffee
[00:59] <hamitron> hmmm
[01:27] <niall> Hey guys. I was asking for help earlier regarding a 6 port serial card (MCS9865 chip). After a long day of poking around I solved the problem myself and wrote a how-to. This can be applied to other multiport serial cards which cause problems with the default maximum of 4 UARTs with the Ubuntu 10.10 kernel (and probably many other kernels in other versions as well as other distros). How-to is here: http://ubuntuforums.org/s
[01:27] <niall> howthread.php?t=1663575
[01:30] <hcfd> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1663575
[02:42] <ali1234> when you say "default maximum of 4 UARTs with the Ubuntu 10.10 kernel" it reminds me of something i read a long time ago
[04:39] <ball> hello waveform
[04:39] <ball> hello em, too.
[07:51] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:52] <AlanBell> team meeting this evening
[07:57]  * ball waves
[08:17] <ball> Goodnight everyone.
[08:19] <screen-x> morning :)
[08:19] <popey> o/
[08:19] <screen-x> yo popey :)
[08:38] <DJones> Morning all
[08:39] <lazarus_> DJones: sup
[08:40] <DJones> Hi lazarus_
[08:41] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:27] <screen-x> What's the difference between i3/i5 P55 and i3/i5 H55?
[09:31] <selinuxium> Morning all o/
[09:31] <screen-x> morning selinuxium :)
[09:33] <DJones> screen-x: This might help http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=127497&mpage=1
[09:34] <screen-x> DJones: thanks :)
[09:35] <DJones> Doesn't mean a lot me, but seemed to list various differences
[09:36] <screen-x> DJones: found a table here http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-clarkdale-core-i5-661,2514-6.html
[09:40] <czajkowski> good morning sleepy monday
[09:43] <DJones> Good morning czajkowski We're not sleeping, just resting our eyes
[09:45] <czajkowski> kinda feels that way
[09:54] <popey> :) bigcalm
[09:54]  * bigcalm hugs popey 
[09:54] <bigcalm> Super cute
[09:57] <selinuxium> morning DJones czajkowski
[09:58] <selinuxium> morning popey
[09:58] <bigcalm> Oh, morning peeps :)
[09:59] <bigcalm> popey: incase you were wondering, I had recently re-watched The Cat Returns
[09:59] <popey> :)
[09:59] <bigcalm> I'm a sucker for Studio Ghibli films
[10:05] <czajkowski> not a great way to start a monday, stuck knee deep in writing documents and comparing versions :s
[10:06]  * BigRedS keeps meaning to write his documentation
[10:06] <BigRedS> it never feels like a great way to spend any time :(
[10:07] <screen-x> BigRedS: meet dexy
[10:07] <czajkowski> BigRedS: ah i like documents. means you cna find out what should be done
[10:08] <czajkowski> just monday at 9am
[10:08] <czajkowski> is a bit much :)
[10:08] <bigcalm> popey: tease!
[10:08] <BigRedS> screen-x: I'm documenting systems and configs, not code, so I don't think dexy's a particularly good fit...
[10:09] <screen-x> oh, ok then..
[10:09] <screen-x> meet... inkscape or ditaa ?
[10:10] <BigRedS> haha. Most of the issue really is working out wtf is going on, rather than the actual documenting bit
[10:11] <BigRedS> A lot of the stuff's odcumented, but in a really roundabout way - we have a wiki but without much structure
[10:11] <screen-x> that sounds familiar :(
[10:12] <BigRedS> screen-x: yeah, it's not a great deal of fun..
[10:12] <BigRedS> OTOH, it's probably a reasonably good way of learning wtf is going on
[10:13] <screen-x> At my previous employer I decided to create a load of network diagrams, as they really weren't sure where the cable runs were, it took _ages_
[10:14] <czajkowski> BigRedS: indeed
[10:17] <jpds> screen-x: Fun.
[10:23] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[10:23] <screen-x> \o Silver_Fox_
[10:23] <Silver_Fox_> Hello screen-x
[10:24] <nigelb> Hey, Silver_Fox_ :)
[10:24] <Silver_Fox_> Hello nigelb ,  still frustrated with php development ?
[10:24] <nigelb> Silver_Fox_: hehe, yeah, sort of. :D
[10:24] <nigelb> Silver_Fox_: hows iphone so far?
[10:25] <nigelb> *iphone development
[10:25] <lazarus_> my bros places menu is messed up click videos opens banshee
[10:32] <Silver_Fox_> nigelb,  Oh not so bad thank you.  =)
[10:39] <screen-x> Getting some console log messages about terminated processes on a fresh 10.04 server install http://i.imgur.com/1KOGF.jpg
[10:39] <screen-x> (at boot time)
[10:39] <screen-x> Doesn't look serious as its only plymouth and ureadahead, but I haven't seen them before.
[10:46] <diplo> Anyone know whats installed if I select "Virtual Machine Host" on Ubuntu 10.10 Server ?
[10:47] <diplo> I normally install manually, just wondering if it's quicker to do this for KVM, can't find what package it installs yet, just googling
[10:47] <diplo> Thought may be quicker here
[10:48] <screen-x> diplo: tasksel --task-packages virt-host
[10:49] <diplo> Cheers, just found it in google but will remember that
[11:28] <davmor2> morning all
[11:32] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[11:38] <MartijnVdS> http://www.alphen.cc/nieuws/entertainment/article5814601.ece/Denise-Richards-weer-single
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> ur
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> wrong channel :)
[11:39] <screen-x> haha
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> something renumbered my irc windows
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: I know a guy who's a fan :)
[11:39] <DJones> Excuses :)
[11:40] <MartijnVdS> DJones: shh!
[11:47] <screen-x> Heh Google translate is improving "Denise Richards and Nikki Sixx find each other not so pleasant than expected. The actress and Mötley Crüe bassist had a couple of weeks are dating, but are now their own path."
[11:48] <bigcalm> I thought it was fairly reasonable myself
[11:48] <screen-x> bigcalm: yeah, good enough to get the jist, which is not usual for machine translation..
[12:25] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[12:26] <Silver_Fox_> Afternoon brobostigon =)
[12:26] <Silver_Fox_> How are you?
[12:27] <brobostigon> Silver_Fox_: not so hot, my eczema is playing up, and is uite painful. how about you?
[12:28] <Silver_Fox_> I am sorry to be hearing that brobostigon .
[12:29] <Silver_Fox_> I am okay thank you. I am thinking about lunch =)
[12:29]  * brobostigon is alittle hungry aswell.
[12:38] <freckle> does anyone else find that PDF's take a lot longer to print than any other type of document?
[12:42] <davmor2> Nope
[12:49] <bigcalm> freckle: as in taking longer to be sent to the printer or the printer taking longer to print?
[12:51] <cps> afternoon :)
[12:51] <brobostigon> afternoonings cps
[12:51]  * cps 's thinkpad arrived 5 mins ago :D
[12:52]  * brobostigon gives cps an ubuntu cd
[12:52] <cps> thanks :)
[12:52] <brobostigon> :)
[12:54] <freckle> bigcalm: taking longer to send to the printer. Basically is says in the spool monitor "Processing..."
[12:57] <freckle> for example a 1 page PDF might take 4-5 mins processing while a 1 page word doc takes a couple of seconds
[13:05] <cps_> grr
[13:05] <cps_> wireless on my PC keeps dropping
[13:09] <|Dreams|> ok installed arch linux got it configured n decided to come bk to ubuntu cant beat its finish lol
[13:11]  * brobostigon curses atthe adsl
[13:14] <cps> ok... for some reason the display keeps switching itself off after 5 minutes of running
[13:15] <brobostigon> cps: iwould check the power saving stuff, yourmonitor might be set to go into standby to save power.
[13:15] <screen-x> cps: my colleague has that problem, display keeps switching off, alt+f1 then alt+f7 temporarily brings it back.
[13:15] <cps> brobostigon: it seems to happen when I move it
[13:15] <screen-x> I think in his case its failing hardware.
[13:16] <cps> it is second-hand mind you
[13:17] <freckle> if in a VPN connection setup through network manager I configure a static route shouldn't the route be deleted if the VPN disconnects/fails?
[13:18] <|Dreams|> any sites for fixing ubuntus boot up logo with propriatary
[13:18] <|Dreams|> links*
[13:20] <screen-x> freckle: sounds logical
[13:20] <screen-x> |Dreams|: its gonna be grub or plymouth that you want to look into
[13:20] <cps> can't guarantee an always-working lappy when second-hand
[13:20] <|Dreams|> ok thanks
[13:20] <screen-x> cps: sadly not :(
[13:20] <cps> :\
[13:21] <screen-x> cps: Though I bought a thinkpad ~10 years ago from ebay and it still works :)
[13:21] <freckle> screen-x: in my experience the route stays... if you subsequently reconnect the VPN another route is added
[13:21] <screen-x> screen has a red tinge now though.
[13:21] <screen-x> freckle: got your bug searching/reporting/commenting hat handy?
[13:22] <freckle> screen-x: i look for it now :-)
[13:30] <bigcalm> freckle: sorry, I was in a client call.
[13:30] <bigcalm> freckle: not expereinced a signifcent delay between word and pdf being sent to the printer. Have you tried a different pdf reader?
[13:30] <freckle> aha my bad on the VPN route thing
[13:33] <freckle> bigcalm: no...
[13:33] <freckle> will do
[13:33] <bigcalm> I use foxit
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> http://i.imgur.com/p7BAF.jpg
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: ^ the right window this time :)
[13:40] <dwatkins> freckle: does it also take a long time to create a PDF from the same document?
[13:40] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: haha
[13:40] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: worth a giggle
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> *tardis sound*
[13:41] <dwatkins> freckle: oh it's a PDF already, sorry
[13:41] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: nice
[13:52] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/eclipse.png
[13:54] <BigRedS> haha
[13:55] <DJones> AlanBell: Why is there a "Tie-Fighter" floating in front of the sund :)
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> DJones: ISS
[13:55] <Silver_Fox_> international space station
[13:55] <BigRedS> yeah, I thought it was a parody of the famous iss+shuttle shot?
[13:55] <DJones> Heh, After zooming, I can see that the blue blob is the tardis as well
[13:56] <BigRedS> http://legault.perso.sfr.fr/iss_atlantis_transit.html
[13:56] <AlanBell> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1344394/Double-eclipse-Moment-Moon-AND-International-Space-Station-cross-face-Sun.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
[13:56] <cps> ergh
[13:56] <cps> just investigated what could be causing the problem with my thinkpad screen
[13:56] <BigRedS> Ah, there's a more recent one :)
[13:56] <cps> the screen cable appears to be in fine
[13:57] <cps> AlanBell: just saw your eclipse picture haha
[14:01] <freckle> bigcalm: foxit was a lot faster... thanks
[14:03] <cps> why does my wireless keep dropping
[14:04] <cps> to make matters worse I'm on windows
[14:04]  * BigRedS blames windows :)
[14:05] <BigRedS> does it also drop on other hardware/OS?
[14:05] <BigRedS> if other OS but not hardwre, I'd blame the hardware. If other OSs, I'd blame the router
[14:06] <cps> right after I complain
[14:06] <cps> it drops again
[14:06] <DJones> cps: Is there another router nearby on the same channel, could be interference, try changing channels away from anything else
[14:07] <cps> DJones: not as far as I am aware :/
[14:08] <cps> ah ha
[14:08] <cps> the laptop is suffering from the infamous "loose GPU" problem
[14:09] <shauno> I got bit by that too.  thanks nvidia.
[14:10] <cps> apparently it can be remedied by placing a thick sheet of paper between the keyboard and the gpu die
[14:10] <cps> s/sheet/piece
[14:16] <daubers> Afternoon
[14:16] <brobostigon> afternoonings daubers
[14:17] <dogmatic69> anyone into arduino stuff?
[14:18] <daubers> dogmatic69: I dabble sometimes
[14:18] <dogmatic69> where is the best place to buy from?
[14:18] <dogmatic69> new to all the electronic stuffs
[14:20] <czajkowski> http://www.realstorygroup.com/Blog/2081-The-high-cost-of-Microsoft-SharePoint?source=twitter
[14:20] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: i have bought from rs components, and cool components,before.
[14:21] <dogmatic69> brobostigon: was checking out rs components, they are pretty cheap also
[14:22] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: yes, true,
[14:22] <dogmatic69> dont know about the personalised service, being one of the biggest suppliers in the world (afaik)
[14:25] <cps> hello
[14:27] <cps> hopefully the loose gpu issue won't be as irritating now that there's a wad of paper in
[14:27] <brobostigon> afternoonings cps
[14:27] <cps> afternoonings brobostigon :)
[14:27] <brobostigon> :)
[14:28]  * brobostigon fires a spark above cps's mainboard
[14:28] <screen-x> cps: where did you put the wad of paper??
[14:29] <cps> screen-x: between the gpu and keyboard like http://forum.notebookreview.com/hardware-components-aftermarket-upgrades/304251-ibm-thinkpad-t42-blank-screen-issue.html#post3981405 suggested
[14:29]  * cps admits he should've tinyurl'd that...
[14:30] <kazade> hi everybody!
[14:30] <cps> a bit of googling did help 8-)
[14:30] <cps> helloo kazade :)
[14:30] <cps> oh go away
[14:30] <cps> it's done it again
[14:31] <brobostigon> :(
[14:32] <screen-x> cps: this looks very scary http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=57021
[14:33] <cps> yes, looks rather complicated :s
[14:36] <cps> just added another thick wad of paper, hopefully the pressure will keep it down
[14:37] <cps> if it still behaves I might get a quote from my local computer shop on how much it would cost for a reflow
[14:37] <cps> s/behaves/behaves like it's doing right now
[14:42] <cps> hmm
[14:42] <cps> seems to be better
[14:42] <cps> but I'm still not convinced
[14:42] <davmor2> hahaha nice find mr fry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fooox6hbjzM
[14:43] <Azelphur> popey, omg...they fixed the bug :o
[14:43] <cps> haha!
[14:43] <Azelphur> notification area now works on separate X screens
[14:43] <Azelphur> after 8 years
[14:43] <Azelphur> they finally fixed it :o
[14:44] <cps> 8 years to fix a bug?
[14:44] <cps> how?!
[14:44] <Azelphur> yes
[14:45] <screen-x> Azelphur: \o/
[14:45] <Azelphur> I'm finding the original report, hold on xD
[14:46] <cps> laptop's dun goofed
[14:46] <cps> wads of paper don't appear to fix it
[14:46] <Azelphur> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115704
[14:46] <Azelphur> here it is :D
[14:47] <Azelphur> they marked it as fixed and said try it again in the latest version of gnome and re-open if the problem persists, it got re-opened in 2006
[14:47] <screen-x> cps: need to find yourself a hackspace with a heatgun and an IT thermometer..
[14:47] <screen-x> errr IR thermometer..
[14:47] <cps> screen-x: nah, gonna take it to the computer shop when I have the time
[14:48] <screen-x> cps: sounds like a safer option :)
[14:48] <sm1773r> hey there guys ( and gals ) just came across the ubuntu_uk after installing , thought i wuld come on here and say hi since i will prob need alot of help lol
[14:48] <Azelphur> so yay, now I can use gnome-panel if I want to xD
[14:48] <screen-x> hi sm1773r :)
[14:48] <freckle> sm1773r: welcome
[14:48] <sm1773r> cheers guys
[14:49] <screen-x> sm1773r: come across the ubuntu uk podcast?
[14:49] <sm1773r> ??? nope not seen any podcast
[14:49] <screen-x> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/
[14:49] <screen-x> is good :)
[14:50] <sm1773r> k will have a gander just now , came across u lot via http://ubuntu-uk.org/
[14:51] <screen-x> sm1773r: so how did you come across ubuntu, and how did the install process go?
[14:52] <sm1773r> originally i tried another ubuntu that i installed on the ps3 ages ago but had nothing but bother with it for the wifi / ethernet internet so scrapped it but latelly i decided to take the plunge and go cold turkey with full install as my only OS lol
[14:53] <screen-x> sm1773r: cool :)   feel free to hang around and ask question as they come up.
[14:54] <sm1773r> the install process was abit of hit and miss as windows 7 didnt want to let be boot the disk so i had to delete windows install xp then install ubuntu
[14:56] <sm1773r> k bit of a weird question i feel but........should i learn terminal or can i operate ubuntu well enough without it ?
[14:56] <screen-x> sm1773r: not really any 'should's you can do quite a lot without learning any terminal commands
[14:57] <BigRedS> sm1773r: Depends what you end up doing in Ubuntu, but you'll find that once confident a lot of things are quicker through teh command line
[14:57] <BigRedS> to begin with, though, they're probably slower as you have to work out how to do things
[14:57] <screen-x> You'll see forum postings, lines in here etc, and it will probably provoke curiosity..
[14:58]  * cps sends an e-mail to the owner of the computer shop
[14:58] <sm1773r> all i have sussed out so far is ls ~ , pwd , cd lol
[14:58] <screen-x> sm1773r: it's a good start :)
[14:58] <sm1773r> all down hill from here prob lol
[14:59] <cps> sm1773r: I remember having to suss out terminal commands haha
[14:59] <screen-x> sm1773r: my fav terminal tip is 'tab'. Hitting tab will complete a command name, or file name. Saves loads of mistakes and keystrokes.
[14:59] <cps> for instance I didn't know what the $ meant :L
[15:00] <sm1773r> isnt that just the end of the line ?
[15:00] <screen-x> sm1773r: it is in a regex
[15:00] <sm1773r> lol
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> In shell it says "Here's a variable"
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> $FOO
[15:01] <screen-x> but in shell it is prefixed to variables eg echo $USER
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> or ${FOO}
[15:01] <sm1773r> k screen-x wtf have i just done i pressed tab and weird code has just appeared lol
[15:01] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: always one step ahead of me :)
[15:02] <screen-x> sm1773r: tab will show you possible completions for what you have already typed.
[15:02] <screen-x> If you press tab on a blank line, you get a _lot_ of options...
[15:02] <sm1773r> k so that is just codes that i have used in the past
[15:03] <screen-x> sm1773r: try ls <tab>
[15:03] <freckle> sm1773r: cmd line history is also good, just hit the up key to scroll through your previous run commands
[15:03] <screen-x> that will show only commands beginning with ls
[15:03] <sm1773r> btw for the pod cast can i run the ogg file ?
[15:03] <sm1773r> AHHH!!!!! to much for my tiny brain lol
[15:03] <freckle> sm1773r: yes, ubuntu has built in support for ogg
[15:03] <screen-x> sm1773r: yeah, plenty of media players in ubuntu can play ogg
[15:04] <screen-x> freckle: ^5
[15:04] <freckle> screen-x: ^5
[15:04] <sm1773r> lol nice 1st podcast i listen to happens to be the last lol well timed
[15:05] <screen-x> sm1773r: last one for 2010...
[15:05] <Azelphur> In other news does anyone know what would cause this? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/Janurary%202011/Screenshot.png
[15:05] <sm1773r> are they monthy podcasts ?
[15:05] <Azelphur> As you can see the theme is completely messed up
[15:06] <MartijnVdS> the crashing of gnome-settings-daemon
[15:06] <Laney> Azelphur: anything in ~/.xsession-errors?
[15:06] <Laney> gsd crashes cause that indeed
[15:06] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS, that's what I thought, but it's running
[15:07] <Azelphur> I assume it's ok to pastebin xsession-errors?
[15:07] <Laney> sure
[15:07] <Azelphur> http://pastebin.com/fvx87kJD
[15:07] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: grep for your password :)
[15:08] <Azelphur> yea it's not in there ;)
[15:08] <MartijnVdS> (gnome-appearance-properties:2692): Gdk-CRITICAL **: IA__gdk_display_sync: assertion `GDK_IS_DISPLAY (display)' failed
[15:09] <Azelphur> It also keeps making silly clicky noises when I click on things, even though I've set my sound theme to "No sounds"
[15:09] <X3N> popey / Daviey did you have any thoughts on the launchpad team issue?
[15:09] <Azelphur> something must be up with gsd
[15:09] <popey> X3N: i suggest you ask in #launchpad
[15:10] <X3N> I've had feedback from the bug I filed
[15:10] <X3N> it's just there isn't currently a solution
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: that's part of the theme.. try logging out and back in
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: if that doesn't help, disable/enable compiz
[15:10] <Azelphur> righto, brb
[15:11] <popey> X3N: whats the issue?
[15:11] <popey> link?
[15:11] <Azelphur> relog seems to have fixed it :)
[15:13] <X3N> popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/700724
[15:15] <popey> thats a bit broken
[15:16] <X3N> yeah
[15:17] <ormiret> bennie for taking notes I'd think you want somethign small with a resistive touch screen or something with a wacom type digitiser (though I don't know if anybody else makes them) so only the pen registers
[15:17] <ormiret> sorry, that was intended for elsewhere
[15:18] <popey> X3N: have thrown it at the loco council
[15:19] <czajkowski> popey: LP folks are on sprint this week I suspect it's up for discussion after that
[15:26] <Azelphur> anyone know of a headset that has replaceable cables and ear padding?
[15:26] <MooDoo> afternoon all
[15:27] <kazade> afternoon MooDoo
[15:28] <czajkowski> MooDoo: ready to start the long 2 weeks
[15:28] <MooDoo> czajkowski: gee thanks for reminding me ;) although i'm off thursday evening as i go to a camera club, but thanks for asking :)
[15:29] <czajkowski> hey at least that means I listened to you in the first place!
[15:29]  * MooDoo prods czajkowski [but only coz i love ya baby] :)
[15:29] <MooDoo> czajkowski: i know and you've put a smile on my face :)
[15:29] <sm1773r> k guys quick question , what is gnome shell and unity as it keeps getting mentioned in this podcast ?
[15:30] <MooDoo> just different front ends.
[15:30] <czajkowski> Can you get passport forms in your local post offices over here ?
[15:30] <MooDoo> czajkowski: yeah should be able to
[15:30] <czajkowski> ok thanks
[15:30] <MooDoo> sm1773r: they are different front ends when you log in :)
[15:30] <sm1773r> front ends ?? what as in gui
[15:31] <MooDoo> sm1773r: yeah
[15:31] <sm1773r> k
[15:31] <MooDoo> sm1773r: this may help - http://unity.ubuntu.com/
[15:31] <sm1773r> kept getting mentioned and wasnt sure what they were talking bout lol cheers for that bud
[15:32] <davmor2> MooDoo: me owld mucca, how's life
[15:32] <MooDoo> davmor2: 2 weeks of 3:30 - midnight....yay o/
[15:33] <davmor2> MooDoo: Sorry! ;)
[15:33] <popey> sm1773r: feedback welcome about the podcast :)
[15:33] <MooDoo> davmor2: nah it's fine, just a pain as i won't see family much
[15:34] <davmor2> MooDoo: Oh that's why your so happy about it :P
[15:34] <MooDoo> davmor2: yup, then again i've got you lot all night ;)
[15:34] <sm1773r> so far i am 30 mins in and it is ok so far , bit confusing at times only cause im not 100% on terms like gnome shell ect but that has been cleared up on here for me
[15:34] <MooDoo> sm1773r: 30 mins in?   you mean you've been using ubuntu for 30 mins?
[15:35] <sm1773r> lol no im 30 mins in on the podcast
[15:35] <davmor2> MooDoo: Nothing like a bickering IRC channel to replace your bickering family right :D
[15:35] <MooDoo> sm1773r: phew lol
[15:35] <sm1773r> lol im bout 2 days in on ubuntu
[15:35] <cps> trying out the android app inventor right now
[15:35] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah that's the one.....then again 2 year olds don't bicker he just says why why why why why why no why why no no no mine mine biscuit
[15:36] <davmor2> MooDoo: did you say biscuit
[15:36] <screen-x> cps: looks like smalltalk in the screenshots, is it better in reality?
[15:36] <screen-x> biscuits \o/
[15:36] <cps> I dunno, I've only finished setting it up
[15:36] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah, he loves them
[15:36] <screen-x> MooDoo: everyone loves biscuits
[15:37] <davmor2> MooDoo: Takes after his Dad then :D
[15:37] <MooDoo> davmor2: hmmm chocalate moo cows :)
[15:37] <screen-x> although daubers would argue that cake is the way forwards
[15:38] <davmor2> MooDoo: see now your gonna start popey off with the words moo and cow
[15:38]  * screen-x installs cowsay
[15:38] <davmor2> screen-x: then daubers should be burnt at the stake for the witch he is, the cake is a lie
[15:41] <MooDoo> davmor2: i'll just shut up and stuff my face then
[15:42] <MooDoo> davmor2: actually i won't i've got tooth ache
[15:43] <cps> appinventor seems to be working ;D
[15:44] <screen-x> cps: what are you inventing?
[15:44] <cps> screen-x: I'm doing the HelloPurr tutorial right now
[15:55] <sm1773r> is anyone running ubuntu 11.04 ?
[15:56]  * popey points to AlanBell 
[15:56] <screen-x> sm1773r:  You could have a go with testdrive
[15:57] <sm1773r> was reading bout it there and was thinking of upgrading from 10.10 but wasnt sure as it is in alpha release
[15:58] <feisar> sm1773r: what do you use the machine your going to put it on for?
[15:58] <sm1773r> my main machine that i use for every day to day task
[15:59] <feisar> my advice would be to only run final releases on a main desktop machine
[15:59] <sm1773r> so try it in test drive like screen-x said but hold of doing a full upgrade till a final release is out
[16:00]  * AlanBell wonders why he is being pointed at
[16:00] <MooDoo> AlanBell: just telling people you're using 11.04
[16:00] <AlanBell> oh 11.04
[16:00]  * cps sends an e-mail to the guy who sold his thinkpad
[16:01] <cps> s/his/the
[16:01] <sm1773r> whats ur experience been with 11.04 alan
[16:01] <AlanBell> I am just running it in a VM from time to time
[16:01] <AlanBell> unity is starting to work
[16:01] <sm1773r> but early days
[16:01] <AlanBell> compiz plugins other than unity now sometimes don't crash
[16:02] <bduncan> where do i get the beta daily builds? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ seems to only list the alternate cd images... is that what i want for installing a VM?
[16:03] <AlanBell> bduncan: yeah, but it might not install
[16:04] <AlanBell> live desktop cd is only built for the milestones
[16:04] <bduncan> AlanBell: righto, can't hurt to try!
[16:04] <AlanBell> alternate wasn't installable a week or two ago so I had to install maverick and upgrade
[16:04] <AlanBell> indeed, give it a go and say how you get on
[16:04] <bduncan> wilco
[16:05] <gord> just a little advice, don't install anything labeled "alpha" on a machine you actually want to work ;)
[16:05] <AlanBell> oh and use Oracle virtualbox 4
[16:05] <sm1773r> lol k will install all alpha software on the wifes machine
[16:05] <AlanBell> because unity is broken in anything less
[16:06] <gord> unity uses a lot of advanced GL stuff, i'm surprised it runs in vb at all to be honest - can't guarantee that it will work in vb on release
[16:06] <bigcalm> Anybody want 2 free grazeboxes?
[16:06] <bduncan> really? i was going to be using qemu-kvm...
[16:07] <gord> in qemu you'll only get the classic desktop, which is fine if you just want to test ubuntu as a whole
[16:07] <AlanBell> gord: works a treat in virtualbox 4
[16:07] <bduncan> yeah that'll do...
[16:08]  * daubers reads thruogh the legalease for some colo stuff
[16:12] <sm1773r> podcast has finally finished , was ok bar one part
[16:12] <bigcalm> Gerrald?
[16:13] <sm1773r> ?
[16:13] <bigcalm> Hehe, ignore me :)
[16:13] <popey> sm1773r: which bit?
[16:14] <sm1773r> the bit when they started doin jack and the bean stock confused the hell out of me , i understand wheat they were doing with it but dragged on abit tbh
[16:14] <bigcalm> I liked the cow the best
[16:14] <popey> :)
[16:14] <screen-x> sm1773r: it was a Christmas pantomime littered with tech jokes :)
[16:15] <popey> I appreciate the feedback sm1773r, thank you!
[16:15] <sm1773r> lol yea thats why i sort of understood why it was there
[16:15] <sm1773r> overall was a good podcast and look forward to the new ones starting
[16:16] <sm1773r> when does the new ones start
[16:18] <sm1773r> also anyone on here have a blackberry and are able to have it paired with ubuntu
[16:19] <popey> not sure, we'll probably start in feb/march
[16:20] <popey> sm1773r: we have a separate channel for the podcast - #ubuntu-uk-podcast - we'll probably talk about it there, and on twitter.com/uupc
[16:20] <sm1773r> k ta popey
[16:28] <shauno> am I allowed to admit I liked lugradio betterer?  *duck*
[16:28] <davmor2> shauno: NO! ;)
[16:28] <shauno> ow.  will return to thumb twiddling then
[16:31] <daubers> Someone mentioned cake?
[16:34] <davmor2> daubers: yes we said the cake is a lie, biscuits FTW
[16:34] <gord> lp:magicicada is my new favourite thing ever
[17:00] <BigRedS> Does middle-click paste work in OSX?
[17:01] <BigRedS> I've just realised a bunch of my instructions might not work...
[17:06] <screen-x> BigRedS: not tried a 3 button mouse on osx
[17:12] <daubers> Biscuits ftl, cake ftw \o/
[17:12] <shauno> good question actually.  haven't tried.  suspect it'll work as expected in X11, and nothing else
[17:13] <daubers> screen-x: Defo heading to wales that weekend now! Booked the hotel and everythong
[17:13] <daubers> s/everythong/everything
[17:16] <gord> czajkowski, someone brought pg tips \o/
[17:17] <czajkowski> gord: yay
[17:17] <czajkowski> gord: will unity natty run nicely on a mini 9 ?
[17:17] <davmor2> gord: you little monkey ;)
[17:17]  * czajkowski prods davmor2 
[17:18] <davmor2> czajkowski: works on my compaq mini  110  so should
[17:20] <czajkowski> davmor2: ok so if it breaks I'm going to come hunting you
[17:20] <davmor2> czajkowski: I didn't say install it :P
[17:20]  * czajkowski peers at davmor2 
[17:21] <MooDoo> davmor2: need a stunt double?
[17:21] <davmor2> czajkowski: infact for now I wouldn't, there is an update for bcmwl (wireless) that is a bit meh, so I'll try upgrading it now for you and let you know if it works now, I don't mind reinstalling it :)
[17:22] <czajkowski> ahh I finally found a use for you!
[17:22] <czajkowski> my upgrade demo dudeo
[17:23] <czajkowski> dude
[17:23] <BigRedS> screen-x: apparently not
[17:23] <BigRedS> but I'd forgotten about the habit of not having three buttons on a mac anyway
[17:23] <MooDoo> czajkowski: oh that's right take advatage why don't you
[17:24] <czajkowski> MooDoo: please you'd do the same!
[17:24] <MooDoo> czajkowski: meh!
[17:24] <popey> uhm
[17:24] <popey> czajkowski / davmor2 isnt the mini 9 a poulsbo GMA 500 device?
[17:24] <popey> if so, wont unity fail badly?
[17:24]  * DJones hopes this is the beginning of a new "caring & sharing" relationship between davmor2 & czajkowski 
[17:25] <MooDoo> DJones: ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
[17:25] <czajkowski> popey: this is my fear...
[17:25] <DJones> MooDoo: It was worth hoping for :)
[17:25] <popey> czajkowski: lspci
[17:25] <czajkowski> DJones: don't be daft!
[17:25] <davmor2> popey: I thought the mini 9 was the same spec as the mini 110
[17:27] <popey> one of them is poulsbo and I can never remember which one
[17:27] <davmor2> DJones: You need your head sorting mate, I know she needs the netbook hence I don't want to see the tech die :D
[17:28] <davmor2> I care about the tech
[17:28] <czajkowski> paste.ubuntu.com/552523/
[17:28] <shauno> ugh.  looks like I'm being pressed into playing tour guide again.  not sure I can stomach another trip to edinburgh castle
[17:29] <davmor2> popey: see intel 645 same as mine
[17:29] <davmor2> 945 even
[17:30] <Laney> "castle is there, I will be in this pub when you are done"
[17:30] <brobostigon> Laney: :)
[17:30] <davmor2> Laney: what the hell, you playing pub chess?
[17:30] <daubers> shauno: It is quite close to the whiskey experience place though
[17:31] <shauno> never actually done that one.  usually end up in the halfway house
[17:32] <czajkowski> odd question on twitter, is my (ubuntu) machines bios Free software
[17:32] <shauno> raking my brains trying to think of an alternative that doesn't involve driving tho
[17:32] <shauno> bios rarely is.  altho it's possible
[17:32] <AlanBell> czajkowski: no, unless you have an OLPC with openfirmware
[17:32] <czajkowski> still an odd one
[17:33] <AlanBell> more of an identi.ca question than a twitter one :)
[17:33] <shauno> it's a good sign that someone's thinking too much :)
[17:33] <gord> czajkowski, mini 9 has the same hardware as my mini10v where unity runs great :)
[17:34] <czajkowski> shauno: sign it's  a student and near exam time
[17:34] <czajkowski> gord: ok if not same thing applies shall come and poke you in person
[17:34] <BigRedS> czajkowski: Nah, it comes up relatively frequently in discussions about proprietary vs free drivers. Along the lines of "Why care so much about the freeness of your gpu access when the bios is so closed"
[17:34] <czajkowski> :)
[17:34] <czajkowski> BigRedS: never heard it put like that ..
[17:35] <czajkowski> though it does make sense when you lay it out like that
[17:35] <davmor2> czajkowski: bcmwl is now fixed
[17:36] <BigRedS> czajkowski: Ah, we have these discissions approximately weekly at work... The usual retort is that graphics drivers are waaaaaaay more buggy than bioses
[17:36] <czajkowski> quick reminder I know tis ages away... but still http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/615/detail/
[17:37] <czajkowski> no we have that what os are you running, being the only Ubunut in the office it's fun :)
[17:37] <shauno> it's kinda interesting with regards to a few distros trying to strip out every non-free blob they can get their hands on.  yet the very first thing the machine hits is a non-free blob
[17:37] <czajkowski> rest o are debian, kde and slackware
[17:37] <gord> rugby is that thing where a bunch of guys have a big fight about that egg right?
[17:38] <BigRedS> czajkowski: Ah, we all have to run Ubuntu here :)
[17:38] <MooDoo> gord: no it's when english men get to pound on irish men and win :)
[17:38]  * MooDoo runs and ducks for cover
[17:38] <czajkowski> BigRedS: you can run what ever os you like in my place, though nobody has selected MS
[17:39]  * MooDoo is at work using Fedora :p
[17:40] <BigRedS> Yeah, I don't think many of us would pick ubuntu as a first choice, but everyone's linuxy of one flavour or another
[17:40] <BigRedS> we do have a box running hurd, though
[17:41] <balor> popey: Do you guys have a .org table at http://www.opensourceexpo.co.uk/ ?
[17:41]  * popey points balor at AlanBell 
[17:41] <balor> AlanBell: Do you guys have a .org table at http://www.opensourceexpo.co.uk/ ?
[17:41] <czajkowski> BigRedS: the wway I look at it I'm rather fortunate to have a boss/company that lets you decide your own OS
[17:42] <czajkowski> I'm rather pleased about this, seeing as before I had to use windows
[17:42] <MooDoo> czajkowski: once you get off first level here, you can use your own os
[17:43] <shauno> I'm stuck on XP, but we do have a lot of VMs floating around
[17:44] <jacobw> XP feels dated nowadays
[17:45] <BigRedS> czajkowski: yeah. I'm quite fortunate to find one that wants me to run *almost* whatever I like :)
[17:45] <BigRedS> Though at my last job, doing Windows support, I was using Debian on my desktop, and RDPing to a windows server for Outlook
[17:47] <shauno> feels dated?  it's 10 years old later this year
[17:48] <shauno> don't that make you feel old.
[17:49] <BigRedS> Same-ish age as OSX, though :)
[17:50]  * jacobw remembers the see through monitors of the original iMac
[17:56] <AlanBell> balor: yes we do
[17:56] <AlanBell> balor: meeting in 3 hours in #ubuntu-uk-meeting to discuss what we are going to do with it
[17:56] <balor> AlanBell: Good.  Do you know any other groups going?
[17:56] <AlanBell> not offhand, no
[17:56] <AlanBell> but I believe there are additional slots available
[17:56] <czajkowski> balor: you going ?
[17:58] <balor> czajkowski: I'm getting the gnome-uk contingent together.  We;re wondering if there's  a critical mass though.  I assume debian-uk will go.
[17:59]  * balor is sad that he doesn't get to compare beer bellies with Popey this year
[17:59] <czajkowski> balor: you will if you come to the rugby meet up!
[18:00] <czajkowski> balor: you fosdem bound this year?
[18:01] <balor> czajkowski: have never been.  And I can't go this year....too many children
[18:01] <czajkowski> *grin*
[18:02] <czajkowski> balor: how is the new edition ?
[18:02] <amarcolino> hi evening ive got my thomson TG585 router in bridge mode which allows me to use my static ips, however, by doing that I lose wireless function, is their a way to keep it in bridge mode and still allow one of the machines to use wireless?
[18:02] <balor> czajkowski: small and cute.  She's helping me type right now
[18:02] <balor> czajkowski: but I also have the dinner on, so must go
[18:04] <czajkowski> balor: have fun
[18:20] <daubers> Has anyone implimented an OpenVPN .... vpn?
[18:20] <shauno> I have done, but not recently, and not still using it
[18:21] <daubers> I need to build one at work and it looks a bit of a nightmare. Wondering whether it's worthwhile gettings the Beginning OpenVPN book
[18:22] <popey> i found it fairly easy
[18:22] <shauno> I don't recall it being that much hassle, but I wasn't doing anything messy
[18:22] <daubers> popey: With multiple clients connecting?
[18:23] <popey> yeah
[18:23] <popey> basically followed some online guide thingy
[18:23] <popey> was some time ago
[18:23] <daubers> Hmmm.... might just be me being panicy then
[18:24] <shauno> have you given it a shot yet?
[18:24] <directhex> has anyone implemented ... an ERP solution?
[18:24] <bigcalm> Maybe there'll be a webmin plugin for it ;)
[18:24]  * popey points directhex at AlanBell 
[18:24] <daubers> shauno: Not yet. Built the VM for it the other day and built the hardware it's going into this morning :) RAID was stil building when I left
[18:24] <popey> !info openerp-server
[18:24] <bigcalm> Read that as "open derp"
[18:24] <bigcalm> :S
[18:24] <shauno> herp.
[18:25] <directhex> popey, yeah, we've evaluated openerp. it's a bit... um... poop
[18:26] <popey> I went through a lot of options for a customer, openerp came out on top
[18:26] <popey> for their requirements
[18:26] <shauno> daubers: I'd just dive in.  if I can find my way thru with liberal googling, it can't be as bad as it looks
[18:26] <shauno> measure twice, cut once, make a snapshot of your VM before you start.  then dive in :)
[18:27] <daubers> heh
[18:27] <AlanBell> hi directhex
[18:28] <AlanBell> I am going on an OpenERP dev training course next week
[18:28] <directhex> in belgium?
[18:28] <AlanBell> yes
[18:28]  * directhex knows all :o
[18:32] <davmor2> man that sucks banshee will only stream music from last.fm if you have subscribed
[18:33] <directhex> davmor2, there are two last.fm apis, only the deprecated going-to-remove-it-any-day-now api allows free streaming
[18:34] <hamitron> :/
[18:34] <davmor2> that sucks
[18:35] <AlanBell> directhex: there are others like openbravo and adempiere
[18:36] <directhex> AlanBell, yeah, they're on my to-evaluate list
[18:36] <AlanBell> all depends on whether you want a big java thingumy or want to take a punt on Python
[18:36] <davmor2> AlanBell: Yeap but do they have plugins?
[18:36] <AlanBell> davmor2: I did an openbravo theme once
[18:37] <AlanBell> not sure how pluggable the rest of it is
[18:37] <davmor2> I'll just go back to internet radio I think :)
[18:38] <directhex> all the non-joke ones are java, barring openerp
[18:38] <directhex> compiere is even oracle-dependent as standard ¬_¬
[18:38] <AlanBell> directhex: oh, you looked at GNUe then
[18:38] <directhex> AlanBell, put it in the "joke" pile
[18:39] <AlanBell> yup
[18:39] <davmor2> AlanBell: so talking at cross purposes I was thinking you were talking of alternatives to last.fm
[18:39] <directhex> does adempiere do last.fm streaming? :o
[18:39]  * AlanBell wonders about a last.fm openERP plugin. Should be doable
[18:42] <_H> I found out today I have an iq of 149
[18:42] <_H> :)
[18:42] <hamitron> is that good?
[18:43] <_H> mesa demand 110
[18:43] <_H> mensa*
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> libmesa?
[18:43] <_H> uk mensa
[18:43] <hamitron> well, guess I'm not clever enough to know any of this or what it means :/
[18:44] <hamitron> but congrats
[18:44] <hamitron> :)
[18:44] <_H> thanks
[18:44] <_H> it means I am in the top 2.98% of the population
[18:45] <hamitron> that figure means more to me
[18:45] <hamitron> :)
[18:46] <cps> yey
[18:46] <directhex> IQ is a normal distribution about 100, with a standard deviation of 15
[18:46] <cps> my thinkpad's gonna be swapped with another one in a few days :)
[18:46] <_H> but am really badly dyslexic
[18:46] <brobostigon> cps: thats good, :)
[18:47] <hamitron> directhex: does that mean it is a moving target?
[18:47] <hamitron> :/
[18:47] <directhex> hamitron, yes.
[18:47] <cps> brobostigon: :)
[18:47] <directhex> 149 means top 0.06% of population
[18:47] <_H> oh
[18:47] <_H> I feel better now
[18:47] <_H> :)
[18:48] <directhex> so about 40k people in the UK are as smart or smarter
[18:48] <hamitron> so if someone battered enough peoples heads in to give them brain damage... their IQ would rise
[18:48]  * cps thinks he's dumb :(
[18:48] <cps> autism sucks for many people
[18:48] <cps> :(
[18:48] <directhex> there are a lot of high iq societies. mensa's requirement is top 2%
[18:49] <directhex> cps, many autistic disorders don't actually cause issues in standard verbal reasoning tests
[18:49] <directhex> but that form of test doesn't really work past teenage
[18:49] <_H> I don't have autism
[18:49] <_H> just dyslexia
[18:50] <directhex> you're too stupid to join the Prometheus Society :)
[18:51] <_H> YAY I like being stupid
[18:51] <_H> :)
[18:51] <_H> it makes me normal
[18:51] <brobostigon> directhex: do you need an Iq inthe thousands for that society?
[18:52] <directhex> brobostigon, 160.
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> µ
[18:52] <directhex> _H, good. that's a healthy attitude
[18:52] <brobostigon> directhex: thats pretty high,
[18:52] <directhex> _H, forgetting my IQ was one of the best things i ever did
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> directhex: problem with those "high IQ societies" is that they sometimes promote arrogance, imho
[18:52] <directhex> MartijnVdS, precisely
[18:52] <brobostigon> agreed MartijnVdS
[18:53] <hamitron> isn't it better to just see what you can do? rather than worry about numbers :/
[18:53] <directhex> hamitron, also precisely
[18:53] <directhex> IQ is not the measure of a (wo)man
[18:53] <directhex> i only got a 2:2 on my degree
[18:53] <directhex> but i'm awesome!
[18:54] <hamitron> same :)
[18:54] <hamitron> I could drink the most beer on my course...
[18:54] <maco> directhex: i also got a 2:2 if i understand how these british namings work
[18:55]  * MartijnVdS dropped out after the first year of uni
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> does that count? :)
[18:55] <directhex> maco, there are five classes of degree. first-class honours, upper second class, lower second class, third class, and ordinary (no honours)
[18:56] <hamitron> you may of learnt more than someone who cheated their way through MartijnVdS :)
[18:56] <maco> directhex: i saw a US GPA --> UK conversion thing once
[18:57] <hamitron> all this talk of paperwork is depressing :/
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: I learned Linux in the basement instead ;)
[18:59] <shauno> best way to do it imo :)
[19:00] <hamitron> I think learning from different angles each has their own advantage
[19:00] <hamitron> :)
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> 10mbit coax (ethernet) internet connection
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> burning CDs straight from the cdrom.com NFS share
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> those were the days
[19:01] <shauno> lucky bugger.  I bought mine from mr winters because dialup and debian don't mix
[19:01] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I think you'll find the days were on floppys
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: yes, normal people installed debian from 20 floppys
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> but if you had access to 10 whole megabits.. why not download an iso?!
[19:03] <shauno> I did slackware from floppies. with two drives because I didn't have enough ram for the installer's ramdisk.  highly overrated.
[19:03] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I still got the boxed version of suse 6.3 floppy boot disc and then cds and a book and 30 days of support
[19:03] <hamitron> you used the 30 days of support yet? ;/
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: I started on slackware, but I broke it when libc6 came around (I think I could fix it now .. :))
[19:04] <jacobw> you've still got the 30 days of support? are you a timelord?
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: then tried a few distro's, stuck with Debian
[19:04] <jacobw> ++debian
[19:04] <hamitron> ++slackware
[19:05] <davmor2> jacobw: Nope never activated the 30days
[19:05] <hamitron> actually, no ++anything atm
[19:05] <hamitron> :/
[19:05] <jacobw> ++nothing :(
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: activate them now :)
[19:05] <davmor2> No I wouldn't want to make them cry
[19:05] <hamitron> I honestly can't decide on anything to do with OS atm
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> not even tears of joy?
[19:05] <hamitron> :D
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: go outside! go for a run! then decide :)
[19:06] <hamitron> tempted to try centos
[19:06] <hamitron> ;)
[19:06] <davmor2> hamitron: how about say something nice or we take all your electronic devices?
[19:06] <hamitron> but then I found I need to change the kernel and that is all effort
[19:06] <hamitron> haha
[19:06] <jacobw> don't bother, serious, its pointlesss
[19:07] <hamitron> ubuntu is the best so far...
[19:07]  * hamitron cleans his brown nose
[19:07] <davmor2> yay! stop hiring the van guys
[19:08] <hamitron> there is a LTS Puppy Linux now
[19:08] <hamitron> well, sort of
[19:08] <hamitron> ;/
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> I have a Corel Linux CD here
[19:09] <hamitron> it is either LTS Puppy, Ubuntu with custom X.org or CentOS with custom kernel
[19:09] <hamitron> \o/
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: LFS
[19:10] <hamitron> BLFS does actually use X.Org 7.2
[19:10] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I did have but I gave it to a friend, the boxed version with corel word perfect and somthing else if memory serves
[19:10] <hamitron> so I could live with it
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> LFS is whatever you compile yourself, isn't it?
[19:10] <hamitron> it is
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: I got an entire box of Corel Linux CDs at some trade show
[19:10] <hamitron> but easier to follow the docs as near as possible
[19:10] <hamitron> ;)
[19:11] <shauno> LFS is (or was, last I tried) a great way to get a tiny footprint.  I had mine down to just under 40Mb
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: then you'd never learn
[19:11] <hamitron> max X.org is 7.3 I can use anyway
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> why
[19:11] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: It was far easier than suse it went on to become something else though right
[19:12] <hamitron> nvidia's fault
[19:12] <andylockran> is the ubuntu-uk planet bust?
[19:12] <hamitron> ;/
[19:12] <jacobw> andylockran: I think so
[19:12] <hamitron> I'm guessing ubuntu 12.04 will be i686 and higher
[19:13] <andylockran> will let Daviey know.. and maybe popey ?
[19:13] <andylockran> *me hopes that last line will have just pinged them, not sure what the protocol is//
[19:14] <andylockran> http://zrmt.com/images/petrolprices.png
[19:14] <jacobw> andylockran: I expect its all popey's fault ;)
[19:14] <andylockran> #blamepopey
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: it usually is
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: what happens if you include the oil crisis of the early 70s?
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: and/or adjust for inflation
[19:15] <andylockran> MartijnVdS: http://zrmt.com/article/view/petrol-prices
[19:15] <andylockran> look at my workings..
[19:16] <hamitron> would it be hard to make a PPA for an old version of X.org?
[19:17] <hamitron> or wise ;/
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: I know early 70s records are of crap quality because they had to "save oil"
[19:25] <X3N> andylockran: it's just being very slow (planet ubuntu-uk)
[19:26] <andylockran> X3N: not updated since 24th Dec?
[19:26] <X3N> oh
[19:26] <X3N> good spot
[19:27] <andylockran> no worries
[19:27] <X3N> uh oh
[19:28]  * X3N spy nano feedparser.py in the bash history
[19:28]  * popey fixes planet
[19:28] <popey> X3N: its not
[19:28] <andylockran> :p
[19:28] <popey> its http://www.kryogenix.org/days/?p=1738 breaking the planet
[19:28] <X3N> tsk
[19:29] <davmor2> popey: you might guess it's aq
[19:30] <popey> bah mjg59 also has duff
[19:30] <popey> wonder whats changed in the feedparser
[19:30]  * popey pokes Daviey 
[19:30] <X3N> I didn't edit it, but there is a parse error now with one of the feeds
[19:31] <popey> yes, I am looking at it now X3N
[19:31] <popey> running it manually
[19:32] <popey> it looks like a db error
[19:33] <X3N> might be worth running a diff on the feedparser to see what's changed, or we could just make Daviey fix it
[19:33] <popey> moved the cache out the way, better
[19:33] <popey> i dont think its the feedparser
[19:33] <popey> the cache was borked
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> aww, and you were about to blame aq ;)
[19:34] <popey> i have uncommented the feeds I commented out and moved the cache out the way, now its chugging along fine
[19:34] <X3N> good good
[19:34] <X3N> I'll just blame python for being so fragile then
[19:34] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: why not it's aq
[19:34] <popey> i blame the db
[19:34] <popey> I also note that there's a lot of 404 and 500s on peoples blogs
[19:34] <popey> I might clear them all out
[19:35]  * MartijnVdS upgrades his SLS AMG '10
[19:35] <X3N> good idea
[19:35] <popey> will backup config then clean out any that give 404 or 500 then refresh the wiki with current config
[19:35] <X3N> -> pub
[19:35] <popey> o/
[19:36] <popey> http://planet.ubuntu-uk.org/
[19:36] <popey> better?
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> *\o/*
[19:36] <brobostigon> yes plese X3N :)
[19:37] <jenkins> anyone got any recommendations for shared hosting companies that they have found are good?
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> vps?
[19:38] <jenkins> it si for a scout group, i think a vps is out of the budget
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> well you can get cheap vpses
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> but it adds an admin nightmare you might not want
[19:39] <brobostigon> bytemark always seems tobe spoken well about,
[19:39] <jenkins> the easier the better to be honest as I have to manage it at uni and I am learning as i go
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> bitfolk :)
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> but they seem to do vpses only
[19:40] <jenkins> yea I looked at bitfolk but like you say vps only, I have been recommended http://www.5quidhost.co.uk/ by another leader but they seam a bit too cheap
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> jenkins: I have a VPS at Bytemark, but they also do "normal" shared webhosting
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> jenkins: and they're nice people too :)
[19:42] <jenkins> just having a look on theri site thanks MartijnVdS
[19:42] <daubers> jenkins: Don't forget to have a look at Bitfolk too
[19:43] <jenkins> yea they are about £89 a year, that is my first choice as far as vps go
[19:43] <daubers> jenkins: Andy at bitfolk is a lovely chap
[19:44] <jenkins> yea its not me who need convincing the rest of the group can't decide if we can justify the cost
[19:45] <jenkins> MartijnVdS: I can't find shared hosting on bytemark, may be i am being silly do you have a link for pricing?
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> £9 is hardly expensive
[19:46] <jenkins> I know but for a charity with 60 ish people in our group is it worth it is the question?
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> can't find the hosting bits
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[19:47] <davmor2> jenkins: big ron in our lug runs a few scout sites from http://intermip.net/
[19:48] <jenkins> thanks davmor2
[19:57] <popey> http://popey.com/blog/2011/01/10/ubuntu-uk-planet-cleanup/
[19:57] <popey> done
[19:58] <andylockran> :)
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> popey: brilliant! (notepad :)
[20:00] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andy Loughran] Petrol Prices - http://zrmt.com/article/view/petrol-prices
[20:00] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Pete Ryland] Loop The Loop - http://pdr.cx/~pdr/blog/geekstuff/looptheloop_solver.html
[20:00] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Pete Ryland] An Evening with William Gibson - http://pdr.cx/~pdr/blog/geekstuff/gibson.html
[20:01] <popey> MartijnVdS: mental!
[20:01] <hamitron> ouuu
[20:02] <hamitron> buyvm have stock again
[20:28] <jacobw> boo
[20:29] <MooDoo> arrrrggghhhh
[20:30] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Pope] Ubuntu UK Planet Cleanup - http://popey.com/blog/2011/01/10/ubuntu-uk-planet-cleanup/
[20:30] <andylock1an> hey guys
[20:30] <bigcalm> My routing with Virgin Media seems to be -> Wolverhampton -> Manchester -> Guildford -> whereever
[20:30] <andylock1an> my network has just got v.v.v slow?
[20:30] <andylock1an> is there some issue?
[20:31] <andylock1an> ping andylockran/
[20:32] <andylock1an> anyone home?
[20:32] <bigcalm> They are taking down the internets!
[20:32] <andylock1an> who is?
[20:32] <bigcalm> Save your tubes!
[20:32] <andylock1an> ?
[20:32] <bigcalm> andylock1an: goat people
[20:33] <bigcalm> I have no idea. Just being weird :)
[20:33] <bigcalm> I'm developing on my internal network, so not looking further afield much atm
[20:33] <andylock1an> hmm, just come back
[20:33] <shauno> mine just took a nosedive too :/
[20:34] <andylock1an> shauno: who you with?\
[20:34] <hamitron> mine has been rock bottom all day, since I am over my download limit ;)
[20:34] <shauno> vps via bitfolk atm  (home seemed fine, but everything to my vps dropped)
[20:34] <hamitron> :/
[20:35] <andylock1an> shauno: I have a horrible feeling that was my fault..
[20:35] <shauno> it's back now, but wouldn't respond to pings for a minute or two
[20:35] <andylock1an> yeah, mine is good
[20:36] <popey> bah
[20:36] <shauno> well, whatever you did .. don't :)
[20:36] <popey> !ping
[20:37] <bigcalm> I've had enough of being in my office. Off to code on the laptop!
[20:38] <daubers> I love virt-manager
[20:41] <bigcalm> What did I miss?
[20:42] <bigcalm> !ping
[20:42] <bigcalm> Humm
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> !bot
[20:47] <AlanBell> meeting in 15 minutes in #ubuntu-uk-meeting
[20:49]  * AlanBell points balor at #ubuntu-uk-meeting
[20:50] <Laney> popey: you should remove me from planet u-uk too
[20:50] <Laney> for now
[20:52] <popey> Laney: done
[20:52] <popey> thanks for letting me know
[20:52] <Laney> ty
[20:52] <Laney> I think I got hit by the recent security hole
[20:53] <Laney> will just use my tumblr in future
[21:00] <AlanBell> meeting about to start in #ubuntu-uk-meeting, agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeamMeetingAgenda everyone is welcome to join
[22:04] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/LastMeeting
[22:14] <j0nr> hey folks.... fresh install of 8,04 server ed. and newaliases doesnt work. gets this error: postalias: fatal: open database /etc/aliases.db: Permission denied
[22:16] <AlanBell> 8.04 O.o
[22:16] <AlanBell> Hardy
[22:20] <j0nr> yeah, its the latest LTS my VPS provider offers... gunna stick with LTS until they get an image of 10,04
[22:21] <j0nr> anyway, problem sorted, as always, a perms issue
[22:25] <eviljames> any folks here particularly good with raid/lvm ?
[22:25] <eviljames> justask: hahah not much yet.  I came across a guide that said I need to make changes in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules - but it seemed to me that it was outdated and that this should be taken care of in a more automatic fashion.
[22:26] <eviljames> edrr, wrong win
[22:26] <eviljames> Attempting to run ubuntu 10.10 from my lvm root, initramfs is apparently misbehaving.  Refuses to boot, drpos me at the busybox/initramfs prompt.  From that prompt I can modprobe dm_mod ; vgscan ; vgchange -ay, and then mount root, but I don't know why this isn't happening automatically by the initramfs.  Anyone know much about this initramfs / lvm / raid / ubuntu combination?
[22:26] <eviljames> Theeere we go.
[22:29] <screen-x> Any ideas why libvirtd wouldnt be able to execute qemu? "libvirtd: 22:28:05.258: error : __virExec:568 : cannot execute binary /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64: Operation not permitted"
[22:30] <screen-x> eviljames: have you tried update-initramfs?
[22:37] <j0nr> moving to a new server, I have setup my mail server stuff... but can i just copy my Maildir in its entirety over to new server?
[22:43] <brobostigon> wth, its taking several minutes to load the google homepage,something is going on.
[22:44] <andylockran> yeah, LINX may be playing up brobostigon
[22:45] <eviljames> screen-x: Yeah, I have several times :D
[22:47] <brobostigon> andylockran: LINX ?
[22:49] <andylockran> Londer Internet Exchange
[22:49] <andylockran> https://www.linx.net/
[22:51] <eviljames> screen-x: What I've found is that each time I get to the same place, as mentioned above.
[22:51] <eviljames> I didn't realize that ubuntu ran at rl5 - so even after I got /dev/chimeravg/ustudioroot mounted to /root I couldn't use /init :P
[23:09] <brobostigon> i just found aninteresting job advert, head of R&D manegement for a coffee company based here in banbury.
[23:10] <hamitron> staff discount?
[23:10] <hamitron> ;)
[23:10] <brobostigon> hamitron: no idea, :)
[23:10] <hamitron> I think I may fail any interview, when that is the only question I can think of :/
[23:11] <brobostigon> if i had an interview with maplins, iwould be very tempted to ask that question.
[23:12] <gord> wonder if P.G. Tips get monkeys to interview you...
[23:12] <hamitron> hehe
[23:12] <hamitron> just ask on the phone "will I recognise any of the monkeys that interview me?"
[23:12] <hamitron> ;/
[23:13] <hamitron> man, wish jobs were not so valuable atm
[23:13] <hamitron> could take a risk like that
[23:13] <hamitron> :D
[23:14] <brobostigon> i was annoyed the other day, i needed a couple of potentiometers, so went up to maplins, asked for some linear potentiometers, and the chap behind the esk had no idea what i was asking for. so dissapponting,
[23:14] <hamitron> hehe
[23:14] <hamitron> how much of the mini ones there?
[23:14] <hamitron> s/of/are
[23:15] <brobostigon> hamitron: do you meanthe cost?
[23:15] <hamitron> yeh
[23:15] <brobostigon> hamitron: a tenner, roughtly.
[23:15] <hamitron> wtf
[23:15] <hamitron> for 1?
[23:15] <brobostigon> hamitron: that was for 2.
[23:16] <hamitron> I was hoping £1.50 each
[23:16] <hamitron> :/
[23:17] <brobostigon> hamitron: i fear that might be difficult, iwould probebly look online withsomeone like "rs components"
[23:17] <hamitron> just looked
[23:17] <hamitron> £0.99
[23:17] <brobostigon> wow, ok.:)
[23:17] <brobostigon> what kind?
[23:18] <hamitron> from maplin
[23:18] <hamitron> :/
[23:18] <hamitron> http://www.maplin.co.uk/Search.aspx?criteria=Potentiometer
[23:20] <brobostigon> hamitron: i just looked at my spreadsheet, atthe tenner included travel, so it was much less.
[23:20] <hamitron> ah :)
[23:20] <hamitron> I nearly had heart failure
[23:20] <hamitron> ;/
[23:20] <hamitron> need a few bits like that for repairs
[23:21] <eviljames> Neither of you fine chaps know anything about raid/lvm/initramfs/ubuntu, eh?
[23:21] <eviljames> o/ greetings from Canada :D
[23:22] <brobostigon> eviljames: sorry, myself no, :(
[23:22] <hamitron> I am probably one of the worst people to ask on such things
[23:22] <hamitron> :/
[23:22] <gord> vim + terminator + unity maximus sure does make for a nice coding environment :)
[23:25] <screen-x> eviljames: long shot: have you got your arrays defined in mdadm.conf?
[23:28] <eviljames> hrm.
[23:28] <eviljames> screen-x: that's not that long of a shot... sec
[23:28] <brobostigon> hamitron: last thing ibought was one of, http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=searchProducts&searchTerm=317-780&x=0&y=0 , however my dd did pay for two,for one of his projects,
[23:28] <brobostigon> dad*
[23:29] <eviljames> screen-x: Looks like it is, ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid0 num-devices=2 UUID=893fdbff:6398a2fd:2812f1a8:0ff69971
[23:29] <screen-x> looks good, if not a little risky ;-)
[23:29] <eviljames> a little risky?
[23:29] <eviljames> oh raid0
[23:29] <screen-x> yeah
[23:29] <eviljames> heh, yeah, this is my root array
[23:30] <hamitron> I just need a few volume controls for amps, and some caps for a motherboard
[23:31] <brobostigon> hamitron: rs components is probebly a good bet.
[23:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andy Loughran] ipv6 enabled. - http://ipv6.zrmt.com/article/view/ipv6-enabled.
[23:32] <eviljames> screen-x: seems to me that initramfs is the pain point.
[23:32] <hamitron> brobostigon: will take a look, it is hard for me now I don't have access to a store room at uni
[23:32] <hamitron> :)
[23:33] <brobostigon> hamitron: :)
[23:33] <popey> right, off to bed
[23:33] <dutchie> night popey
[23:33] <screen-x> sleep well :)
[23:33]  * popey says eviljames should put /boot on non-LVM RAID, then sleeps
[23:36] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well.
[23:42] <eviljames> popey: Thanks, but that's already done too :D
[23:42] <eviljames> In my case, /boot is its own ext2 off of the LVM
[23:46] <screen-x> eviljames: is your fstab correct?
[23:46] <eviljames> seems to be...
[23:47] <eviljames> /dev/mapper/chimeravg-ustudioroot /               ext4    errors=remount-ro 0       1
[23:49] <screen-x> eviljames: looks ok.
[23:49] <eviljames> Indeed, look alright to me too.
[23:49] <screen-x> eviljames: when you boot up, and manually scan for lvm PVs, does boot continue as normal if you exit the initramfs shell?
[23:50] <eviljames> o
[23:50] <eviljames> m
[23:50] <eviljames> g
[23:50] <eviljames> Of all the damn things I tried, I didn't try 'exit'
[23:50] <screen-x> heh
[23:51] <eviljames> I _did_ manage to use lvm to scan for PV/LV, and get them mounted even.