| queuedman | Hi, anyone here have any issues with music downloads staying in "Queued.." state? | 01:30 |
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| FiReSTaRT | queuedman: i do | 03:28 |
| FiReSTaRT | queuedman: just came here to ask about it lol | 03:29 |
| FiReSTaRT | my sync is also stuck at 0 while it worked like a charm before i tried buying a song | 03:29 |
| FiReSTaRT | queuedman: it might have something to do with this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store/+bug/596394 i'm not sure,b ut check it out just in case | 03:31 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 596394 in rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "False "Internet connection is required to access the music store" message (affects: 11) (dups: 1) (heat: 38)" [Undecided,New] | 03:31 |
| FiReSTaRT | plus rhythmbox crashes on restart | 03:32 |
| FiReSTaRT | wow.. FINALLY download complete after like 10 restarts :O | 03:33 |
| karni | aquarius: Do you know why a single file modification causes server to broadcast 4 consecutive generations, while a folder rename causes only 1 generation broadcast? Or should I defer the question to verterok, too? | 11:27 |
| karni | aquarius: perhaps gedit uses some cache file. let me check that a lil bit smarter (just appending something to a file) | 11:28 |
| rye | karni, gedit does atomic save, save to temp, remove, rename | 11:29 |
| rye | karni, and good morning! | 11:29 |
| karni | rye: hello rye! | 11:29 |
| karni | rye: that would be 4 changes.. so it saves to a new file each time, is that right? | 11:30 |
| rye | karni, hm, not sure about 4, first it saves to temporary file name, then unlinks the original one, then renames the temp file to original name, as far as I remember | 11:31 |
| karni | probably appending to file with cat >> would not generate 4 generations then. | 11:31 |
| karni | rye: thanks, that's definitely useful info | 11:31 |
| duanedesign__ | hello rye and karni | 11:31 |
| karni | hi duanedesign__ | 11:31 |
| rye | duanedesign__, morning! | 11:31 |
| karni | morning everybody :) | 11:31 |
| * mandel -> walking dog | 12:02 | |
| ralsina | good morning everyone | 12:09 |
| pazo | any devs online? | 12:25 |
| Chipaca | some | 12:25 |
| Chipaca | pazo: what's up? | 12:26 |
| pazo | I've bought a song but the status keeps being "Queued..." | 12:26 |
| Chipaca | pazo: can you see it on the web under files? | 12:27 |
| pazo | nope | 12:27 |
| pazo | It's really odd | 12:27 |
| pazo | and file sync is working | 12:28 |
| Chipaca | hmm | 12:28 |
| Chipaca | rye: ping | 12:28 |
| rye | Chipaca, pong | 12:29 |
| pazo | Searching the web, shows some examples of similar type but not with a solutuin sadly :( | 12:29 |
| rye | pazo, syncing logs and looking | 12:29 |
| Chipaca | pazo: can you hang around for about half an hour more? east coast of usa will be working then (and I think this is one for somebody there) | 12:29 |
| Chipaca | pazo: meanwhile, rye is on it :) | 12:30 |
| pazo | Yep. No problem! | 12:30 |
| pazo | Cool | 12:30 |
| Chipaca | now, stopping for a bit to have breakfast with my kids | 12:30 |
| * Chipaca waves | 12:30 | |
| duanedesign__ | rye: if you get a chance. Couldd you take a look at this post, specifically the screenshot. I was wondering if you might have a guess to the problem. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1662534 | 12:43 |
| rye | duanedesign__, it looks like desktopcouch cannot be contacted for some reason which disables these items | 12:47 |
| duanedesign__ | ahh, ok that would cause that..ok | 12:49 |
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| ralsina | CardinalFang, vds I think I'll postpone the standup until the people that's at the sprint show up | 13:52 |
| vds | ralsina: sure | 13:53 |
| ralsina | But if you need anything, I am not there, so I can help ;-) | 13:53 |
| CardinalFang | This is a Dallas sprint? | 13:54 |
| pazo | I've bought a song but the status keeps being "Queued...". Anyone who can help? | 13:55 |
| CardinalFang | ralsina, of desktopcouch, btw, I found and fixed three bugs Friday / Saturday. Landing them and releasing today, I promise. | 13:55 |
| ralsina | CardinalFang: oh, great | 13:56 |
| mandel | ralsina: when will that be, I mean the standup? | 13:57 |
| ralsina | mandel: I am thinking in 3 hours? | 13:57 |
| ralsina | I hope that's not too early dallas-time | 13:57 |
| vds | rye: pazo has problems with a song he bought can you help him? | 13:57 |
| mandel | ralsina: ok, I might be able to make it, my dogs has some problems and I've got an apponintment with the vet | 13:57 |
| mandel | here +3 == 6pm :P | 13:58 |
| pazo | vds: he seems to be AFK | 13:58 |
| ralsina | mandel: if you don't just past it to me in private and I'll post it in your behalf :-) | 13:58 |
| mandel | ralsina: ok, I'll give yu the status as late as possible so that it is up to date | 13:59 |
| ralsina | mandel: cool | 13:59 |
| Chipaca | pazo: we're working on it right now | 14:04 |
| Chipaca | pazo: sorry for the delay :-/ | 14:04 |
| pazo | No problem. :) Going afk for 1 hour | 14:09 |
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| joshuahoover | ralsina, Chipaca: fyi...bug #673568 is causing maverick users to not be able to edit contacts in evolution...rye has been in touch with rodrigo about it but i don't think you guys were aware of this...kind of bad bug | 15:16 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 673568 in evolution-couchdb (and 1 other project) "Error modifying contact, other error when saving contacts (affects: 29) (dups: 4) (heat: 142)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/673568 | 15:16 |
| ralsina | joshuahoover: yes, I had seen it, but after rodrigo was on holiday thanks | 15:17 |
| toml | hey all | 15:59 |
| toml | got some trouble with contact sync | 15:59 |
| toml | duplicate madness | 16:00 |
| toml | on Ubuntu One | 16:00 |
| ralsina | CardinalFang: kenvandine offered help with packaging desktopcouch if you need it | 16:05 |
| CardinalFang | ralsina, I don't think I do. The packaging is pretty easy. Thanks, kenvandine. | 16:11 |
| CardinalFang | if kenvandine wants to maintain "upstream" project, I'd take that, ha ha. | 16:12 |
| ralsina | hahaha | 16:13 |
| kenvandine | CardinalFang, no way :-p | 16:16 |
| CardinalFang | Dang. | 16:16 |
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| ralsina | mandel, vds, CardinalFang: Looks like I have to go to the bank, so no standup today guys | 16:22 |
| ralsina | Bright side, you will look much more productive tomorrow | 16:23 |
| mandel | ralsina: as you wish :) | 16:23 |
| vds | :) | 16:25 |
| karni | hi (again) everyone | 16:35 |
| karni | aquarius: verterok: thank you for your mail response | 16:35 |
| karni | aquarius: lemme know when you have a moment to talk | 16:35 |
| aquarius | karni, go for it | 16:35 |
| karni | great | 16:35 |
| karni | aquarius: i'd like to talk the selective sync for a moment | 16:35 |
| aquarius | ok | 16:36 |
| karni | aquarius: main issue is that, since files are replaced instead of 'changed' (as a regular user would percieve) | 16:36 |
| karni | it'd take some skill/neat idea to cache those generations bumps and sync only when necessary not to loose the info about being a fav item | 16:36 |
| karni | however, it's not that easy. imagine a user has the service working on the phone at the moment | 16:37 |
| aquarius | karni, but that's fine, if you're storing (folder id, path) as the key for favourites, as we discussed? | 16:37 |
| karni | somebody changes a file in a share... | 16:37 |
| karni | aquarius: lemme finish, that works - but only for "invoked sync", rather than callbacks in realtime | 16:37 |
| karni | aquarius: the point is that, once we say 'hey, sync now' and we fetch some newer generation, that solution works fine | 16:38 |
| karni | and we don't loose that fav info | 16:38 |
| hrw | hi | 16:38 |
| karni | however, that works because we (possibly! that's not sure) have just jumped over that step 'file removed / file created' | 16:39 |
| karni | aquarius: to be precise, let me rephrase | 16:39 |
| karni | aquarius: we don't loose the fav info, if the delta for given generation contains, at the same time, 1. file deleted 2. file created -- that works fine | 16:39 |
| hrw | someone can tell me which exaclty packages I need to have installed to get u1 working in non-gnome? | 16:39 |
| karni | as I just update some values (nodeId, hash, etc) | 16:39 |
| aquarius | karni, just don't delete things from the favourites list, *even if* the file is deleted | 16:40 |
| karni | aquarius: why didn't I think about that xD | 16:40 |
| aquarius | if the worry is that eventually the favourites list will get too big, then run a cleanup job on it when it gets too big and remove the oldest items which aren't there any more | 16:40 |
| karni | aquarius: this is just a column in the main 'files' table to avoid unnecessary joins | 16:41 |
| toml | anyone around from the One team? | 16:41 |
| karni | however, that is sufficient.. right. I'll remove the old file copy if I receive isLive=false, but not the meta. | 16:41 |
| CardinalFang | Plenty. | 16:41 |
| toml | aha | 16:41 |
| toml | good good ... | 16:41 |
| karni | aquarius: that way I can update it in the future with the new file, and it'll still be favourite. that makes sense. | 16:42 |
| toml | so, funambol | 16:42 |
| CardinalFang | Ick. | 16:42 |
| toml | is creating duplicate contacts | 16:42 |
| toml | ...now, this is from within Thunderbird | 16:42 |
| toml | (i know, i know, it's not supported in v 3) | 16:42 |
| CardinalFang | And that's a shame, V3 rocks. | 16:42 |
| toml | it does | 16:42 |
| toml | it's a great improvement | 16:42 |
| toml | v3 has dragged me back to it in fact | 16:43 |
| toml | but | 16:43 |
| toml | sync is required | 16:43 |
| karni | aquarius: lastly, i'd say (parent id, filename) instead of (parent id, path). that's shorter, and sufficient. | 16:43 |
| toml | any ideas on how to get tbird syncing with couchdb etc | 16:43 |
| aquarius | karni, does every folder have a folderid, or just UDF top-level folders? I wasn't sure about that, which is why I wasn't sure and passed it over to verterok :) | 16:44 |
| rye | toml, i think I can create a simple exporter from CouchDB contacts to vcard format... | 16:44 |
| toml | rye, hey | 16:44 |
| rye | not autosync though | 16:44 |
| verterok | aquarius: yes, every node have a node_id (and directories are nodes ;) ) | 16:44 |
| karni | aquarius: any folder (equally, parent of a file) has a nodeId that doensn't change, even upon folder rename | 16:45 |
| toml | yeah, the autosync's gotta be the long term aim I guess | 16:45 |
| karni | verterok: perfect explanation :) | 16:45 |
| aquarius | toml, JamesTait has been working on Thunderbird contacts sync with Ubuntu One (not using Funambol, but working directly with CouchDB), but I don't know what stage that's at | 16:45 |
| toml | rye, the thing is that the funambol plugin seems to mostly work | 16:45 |
| toml | aquarius, I've tried out that ... doesnt' work with tb 3 | 16:45 |
| toml | aquarius, hedera's the name | 16:46 |
| aquarius | toml, yeah, I was just attracting JamesTait's attention in case he said "I've fixed that in a branch" or something :P | 16:46 |
| karni | aquarius: ok, last question then (because this is seriously better sonner then later ;) ) | 16:46 |
| JamesTait | I have not finished that in a branch. :) | 16:46 |
| rye | wow | 16:46 |
| toml | JamesTait, hey man - tried out your plugin | 16:46 |
| rye | JamesTait, that is awesome! | 16:47 |
| karni | aquarius: looking from volumes perspective, this task is trivial. syncing a volume is like any sync in U1 - isLive=false? fine, delete file. isLive=true? great, download it. | 16:47 |
| toml | JamesTait, thanks for putting it together ... def meets a need, but does't play well with v3 on firefox | 16:47 |
| toml | JamesTait, that's Thunderbird, not firefox oops | 16:47 |
| JamesTait | toml :) I guessed that. | 16:48 |
| karni | aquarius: however making only volumes syncable - we loose the grantulity of the sync to file level. i.e. you wouldn't be able to sync a single file from a volume, which sounds like a cool feature. | 16:48 |
| toml | JamesTait, just acknoledging my idiocy ;) | 16:48 |
| karni | aquarius: (i.e. sync only this UDF, that UDF, and this Share) | 16:48 |
| toml | JamesTait, are you thinking of carrying on work in the plugin? | 16:48 |
| hrw | someone can tell me which exaclty packages I need to have installed to get u1 working in non-gnome? | 16:49 |
| JamesTait | toml: I'm working exclusively on TB3 now, unless someone asks for TB2 in which case I'll invite patches. :) | 16:49 |
| aquarius | karni, yep, OK | 16:49 |
| aquarius | hrw, I'm not sure, but I imagine that rye will know :) | 16:49 |
| toml | JamesTait, ah cool ... you making progress? | 16:49 |
| JamesTait | toml: Work has begin again the last week or so, and progress is being made, yes. :) | 16:50 |
| rye | hrw, you will need to have ubuntuone-client, it will bring the dependencies such as gnome-keyring with it (well, depending on the version though) | 16:50 |
| toml | JamesTait, so I'd better just cut to the chase: eta on an update? | 16:50 |
| karni | aquarius: that ACK means exactly.. ? should we stick to file-level sync, or volume-level sync (which is trivial, and more desktop syncdaemon like)? | 16:50 |
| hrw | rye: natty | 16:51 |
| JamesTait | toml: I'll be landing a branch very soon that adds some UI elements for visual feedback and to enable/disable debug via preferences. | 16:51 |
| JamesTait | toml: Very soon being today or tomorrow, most likely. | 16:52 |
| rye | hrw, ubuntuone-client will bring everything in. ubuntuone-client-gnome provides nautilus and preferences applets | 16:52 |
| aquarius | karni, ah, that wasn't an ACK, that was "I understand what you've said, thus far". I, personally, do not believe that turning on sync for a whole UDF is a good idea on Android. I think favourites should be files only, or maybe files and folders, but not a whole UDF. But I'm open to suggestions from beuno on that; I can see an argument for UDF-level sync (specifically, I create a UDF named "sync to my phone", and | 16:52 |
| hrw | rye: I have both | 16:52 |
| aquarius | then drop things in it to have them appear on my phone with no effort) | 16:52 |
| karni | aquarius: oh good, sorry. I'm glad you expanded on that :D | 16:53 |
| hrw | State: READY | 16:53 |
| JamesTait | toml: Pushing contacts is failing in some circumstances at present, so that's next. I haven't investigated so I don't know how big a problem it is. | 16:53 |
| hrw | connection: Not User With Network | 16:53 |
| hrw | description: ready to connect | 16:53 |
| hrw | is_connected: False | 16:53 |
| hrw | is_error: False | 16:53 |
| hrw | is_online: False | 16:53 |
| hrw | queues: IDLE | 16:53 |
| hrw | thats what u1sdtool -s says | 16:53 |
| toml | JamesTait, ah very cool indeed James. I think it's a key missing piece in the puzzle for ubuntuone - you going to be updating through launchpad? | 16:54 |
| hrw | ~/.config/ubuntuone/ dir is empty | 16:54 |
| JamesTait | toml: Absolutely. :) | 16:54 |
| toml | JamesTait, okay, great ... will test for you on it | 16:54 |
| JamesTait | toml: Fantastic, I can use all the feedback I can get! | 16:54 |
| hrw | btw - bug 701099 | 16:55 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 701099 in ubuntuone-android-contacts "Ubuntu One Contacts should use Ubuntu logo (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/701099 | 16:55 |
| toml | JamesTait, okay, I'll watch for it. Thanks for the update. | 16:55 |
| karni | aquarius: ok then, thanks a bundle. I'll wait for beuno-lunch to speak his mind on the topic. however, looks like file-level sync is more resonable from a user's perspective | 16:55 |
| aquarius | karni, I like the idea of having a UDF I can just drop things in, though. Can you reasonably easily calculate the size of a UDF? | 16:56 |
| aquarius | karni, so that if I favourite a UDF you can check the size and say "that'll sync 12GB to your phone; are you sure you want to do that?" | 16:57 |
| karni | aquarius: AFAIK we get the file synce once we download that, but I'll double check if it's not in the delta. if it is, that'd be possible. 1 sec | 16:57 |
| JamesTait | toml: The UI elements piece got brought forward, because I got quite a few questions along the lines of "I installed it, how do I know it's installed/working?" | 17:00 |
| karni | aquarius: I meant *size. I see that the size is provided in the delta, which would mean yes. however, since I don't display the size until the file is downloaded - I must have had a reason for that. I'm looking at the sources. | 17:00 |
| rye | hrw, u1sdtool --connect ? | 17:03 |
| hrw | rye: did that few times. problem is that u1 is still not configured | 17:04 |
| * hrw goes to search for note taker which uses dropbox or ssh/sftp | 17:04 | |
| JamesTait | toml: but work basically stopped around September due to lack of time, until last week or so. I'm actively hacking again now. | 17:05 |
| rye | hrw, by not configured - was it prompting you to register? | 17:05 |
| hrw | rye: no, it didnt. thats the problem I think | 17:05 |
| rye | hrw, ok, could you please check whether you have ubuntu-sso-client installed? | 17:06 |
| hrw | rye: 1.1.7-0ubuntu1 is present | 17:06 |
| toml | JamesTait, aye, it's hard enough making these things off your own back anyhow, so I appreciate the work ... | 17:07 |
| rye | hrw, ok, could you please try running env DEBUG /usr/lib/ubuntu-sso-client/ubuntu-sso-login | 17:08 |
| rye | ? | 17:08 |
| hrw | 11:10 hrw@lucek:.config$ DEBUG=1 /usr/lib/ubuntu-sso-client/ubuntu-sso-login | 17:11 |
| hrw | Ubuntu SSO login manager already running, quitting. | 17:11 |
| hrw | killed, restarts | 17:11 |
| hrw | rye: http://hrw.pastebin.com/D7xC79zm is effect of running it and "u1sdtool -c" in other shell | 17:12 |
| * hrw installs gnome-keyring by hand | 17:13 | |
| hrw | now it works... | 17:13 |
| hrw | for years I thought that Debian packages have proper dependencies. looks like it does not applies to Ubuntu packages | 17:15 |
| karni | aquarius: so: FileInfoDelta (item in a requested delta) does have a method getSize(). However, initially it returns zero. I fetch the file size from getContent request, nodeAttr.getSize() -- that'd mean we only know the size of downloaded files. | 17:15 |
| karni | verterok: Should a FileInfoDelta contain a proper size of a file? (it does have a getSize() method, but it returns 0 ) | 17:15 |
| karni | verterok: I fetch the file size from nodeAttr once I got the file with getContent(..) | 17:16 |
| verterok | karni: it should be in the FileInfoDelta, let me check the code | 17:16 |
| verterok | karni: the protocol code looks ok...are you sure that the file size != 0? :) | 17:17 |
| karni | verterok: Thank you for checking. Now let me brutally output that to stderr and make sure (SQL insert didn't complain, and it was indeed 0). | 17:18 |
| verterok | karni: brb, need to step out for a bit | 17:19 |
| karni | verterok: ok | 17:19 |
| karni | verterok: once you're back -- yes, it's all zeros (line 43 logs) http://paste.ubuntu.com/552521/ | 17:23 |
| karni | aquarius: once we resolve that - yes, a simple sql query will provide a Volume size. | 17:23 |
| rye | hrw, the only thing that was missing was gnome-keyring daemon. org.freedesktop.secrets is provided by gnome-keyring and it is possible that it was not started | 17:28 |
| pazo` | rye: do you know ca. when the song will be ready? :) | 17:28 |
| karni | beuno-lunch: i'll be back in ~1h | 17:28 |
| hrw | rye: but ubuntuone-client does not depends on gnome-keyring so for non-gnome installations u1 is just purely broken? | 17:30 |
| rye | hrw, python-gnomekeyring is brought in by ubuntu-sso-client | 17:32 |
| hrw | rye: not here | 17:32 |
| hrw | 11:33 hrw@lucek:~$ apt-cache show ubuntu-sso-client|grep Depends | 17:33 |
| hrw | Depends: python (<< 2.8), python (>= 2.7), python-support (>= 0.90.0), python-dbus, python-gtk2, python-lazr.restfulclient, python-oauth, python-twisted-core, python-twisted-web, python-webkit, python-xdg | 17:33 |
| rye | hrw, you are using standard natty packages, right? | 17:33 |
| verterok | karni: weird, I'll try to debug that while I take a look to the connection/IOException handling | 17:34 |
| verterok | now, lunch! | 17:34 |
| hrw | rye: right | 17:34 |
| rye | hrw, there are nightlies ppa which contain the code that will be merged to natty/main later on which contains fixes and features that are not yet in main | 17:34 |
| karni | verterok: bon apetit! (you're awesome verterok ) | 17:35 |
| hrw | rye: I used u1 just to sync gnote notes from desktop to n900 with conboy. now, when I moved to android it looks like there is no use for u1 for me anymore (I do not keep files there) | 17:36 |
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| pazo` | rye? | 17:54 |
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| * CardinalFang listens to approaching thunderstorm and hastily appends "Acquire UPS" to his new-year's resolutions. | 18:43 | |
| rye | pazo`, hi could you please re-check My DOwnloads page? | 18:44 |
| * karni is back | 18:46 | |
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| karni | beuno: 17:50-18:00 we talked together with aquarius on what granurality should the sync have. could you have a look at that and let me know what you think? :) | 18:48 |
| beuno | karni, sure | 18:49 |
| beuno | let me convert that into my TZ and look it up | 18:49 |
| karni | bac: oh, sorry ^ ^ it's been about 1:50h ago | 18:50 |
| pazo` | rye: it worked! Thanks! | 18:51 |
| beuno | karni, right, I agree with aquarius | 18:52 |
| aquarius | beuno, aquarius is not sure what he thinks :) | 18:52 |
| beuno | syncing full volumes will make little sense on phones | 18:52 |
| * karni nods | 18:52 | |
| aquarius | beuno, but if you know what you're doing, wouldn't it be great? Just create a folder called "Nexus S" and make it a UDF, and then drop things into it. Music, comic books, videos, photos, games, ringtones, books... | 18:53 |
| aquarius | beuno, that's pretty compelling, I think | 18:53 |
| beuno | aquarius, of course | 18:53 |
| aquarius | beuno, although I suppose the workaround is to create a "Nexus S" UDF, create a folder in it called "Everything", and then mark Everything as synced ;) | 18:53 |
| karni | aquarius: exactly | 18:54 |
| aquarius | this is why I wondered whether we can detect the size of a UDF/folder when someone favourites it, and warn "this will sync X GB to your phone" if it's more than a few hundred MB | 18:54 |
| beuno | aquarius, karni, does it have to be one or the other? | 18:54 |
| beuno | also | 18:54 |
| beuno | lets design for people who don't know what they're doing first | 18:54 |
| * aquarius laughs | 18:54 | |
| karni | aquarius: yup, seems like a bug in the storage protocol java impl didn't let us do that. once that fixed, we're there. | 18:55 |
| aquarius | I still think that warning people about large syncs should be done even if just at folder level (not whole-volume level). And once we've got that warning at folder level, then there's no real reason to not offer whole-volume sync either, is there? | 18:55 |
| karni | beuno: not really, no. what I meant is | 18:55 |
| beuno | right, always warn | 18:55 |
| karni | beuno: implementing per-volume sync only is much more trivial then per-file sync | 18:56 |
| beuno | karni, then lets do it in that order | 18:56 |
| aquarius | no-one's suggesting *only* per-volume sync, are they? I think we should have all of per-volume, per-folder, and per-file | 18:56 |
| karni | aquarius: I was sensing what can we go for ;) | 18:57 |
| beuno | so we all agree | 18:57 |
| aquarius | I'd really like per-content-type as well, and per-search, and possibly per-time, but then again I'd like someone to invent a pie with no calories in it too :) | 18:57 |
| karni | beuno: we'll do it per-file and go up from there. per-file involves much delicate measures then per-volume. | 18:57 |
| karni | aquarius: hahah | 18:57 |
| beuno | aquarius, well, we're >< this close to being able to implement per-content thingies, since the low-level api to do that is done | 18:57 |
| karni | ok, so we've cleared that up. | 18:58 |
| aquarius | beuno, per-content-type for *any* content type? I didn't know that. Why didn't I know that? | 18:58 |
| * karni is a lil'bit lost right now | 18:58 | |
| beuno | aquarius, yeah, we can filter by mimetype | 18:58 |
| beuno | karni, ignore this part of the conversation for now :) | 18:58 |
| karni | hehehe | 18:58 |
| beuno | aquarius, we try to not tell you certain things, to keep you focused! ;) | 18:59 |
| aquarius | cor. It's amazing the things you find out. I shall slap myself for not already knowing this :) | 18:59 |
| karni | bah, I'll use the moment and recall my other suggestion about auto-magic media content sync | 18:59 |
| beuno | aquarius, basically, this is how we do music scanning. Only look at files with certain mimetypes | 18:59 |
| aquarius | beuno, yeah, but I didn't think that API was exposed (even in the syncdaemon protocol) | 19:00 |
| beuno | aquarius, probably a days' work to expose it | 19:00 |
| karni | having scheduled content sync - we can use this time (or little bit more often) to check what media has been captured in the mean time | 19:00 |
| aquarius | oh, right, gotcha, I get it now. | 19:00 |
| beuno | it's in the DAL | 19:00 |
| karni | as media is timestamped | 19:00 |
| aquarius | beuno, right, good, then I did know about it. I was worried, there:) | 19:00 |
| karni | by doing so - the services doesn't have to run all the time, and we can adjust how often it should poll for new media content (i.e. new pictures/videos, etc) | 19:01 |
| karni | that's just a thought for CardinalFang, but we'll get there sooner or later. | 19:01 |
| beuno | karni, right, I think that's something between you and CardinalFang to figure out | 19:01 |
| aquarius | karni, by "poll", there, you mean "how often the Android service should start up and talk to the server to see what's new", yes? | 19:01 |
| karni | ok, so I'll use the (parentId, filename) trick to track favourite items | 19:01 |
| karni | aquarius: no no, we're talking about sync-ing up users pictures (not lying under /sdcard/u1/*), | 19:02 |
| karni | aquarius: this is what CardinalFang was working in the mean time | 19:02 |
| aquarius | karni, I thought there was a NewPicture intent or something like that? | 19:03 |
| CardinalFang | There may be. I haven't seen it in testing yet. It could be useful to catch a broadcast intent, as a way on ensuring code is running soon after a photo lands. | 19:04 |
| beuno | aquarius, karni's irc session died | 19:04 |
| karni__ | aquarius: sorry, got disconnected | 19:06 |
| aquarius | CardinalFang, ah, OK. Catching a broadcast intent is obviously the best approach -- being event-driven is good for power, as you know :) | 19:07 |
| karni__ | although it looks like i'm still around ;D | 19:07 |
| karni__ | aquarius: right. however (sad news) I have verified what I wrote before, and it turns out | 19:07 |
| karni__ | aquarius: MediaScanner was invoked on events such as boot and sd card mounted | 19:07 |
| karni__ | aquarius: which means - the broadcast is not sent when a regular picture is taken (it's just saved directly to media content provider, instead of invoking the media scanner) | 19:08 |
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| aquarius | also...aren't pictures *always* saved to SD? Can't we just watch the folder, with some sort of inotify-ish thing? | 19:08 |
| aquarius | (er, saved to the filesystem, whatever that is) | 19:08 |
| CardinalFang | aquarius, yes. This requires running code, though. | 19:09 |
| aquarius | CardinalFang, a good point and well argued. :) | 19:09 |
| karni | CardinalFang: or timed Alarm with a single sql query | 19:09 |
| karni | too bad I didn't see what Chad wrote :< | 19:09 |
| karni | ok, getting back to work | 19:10 |
| aquarius | and you can't receive intents if you're paused anyway, afaicr | 19:10 |
| karni | aquarius: you're talking about broadcast receivers? these can wake up the app. | 19:11 |
| aquarius | oh, you can if you statically register a broadcastReceiver in AndroidManifest. Good. | 19:13 |
| aquarius | not that it matters if there *is* no Intent for "just taken a picture". Damn. | 19:13 |
| karni | uhm :< | 19:13 |
| CardinalFang | Yeah, broadcast receivers are only hooked from what reads the AndroidManifest, I'm pretty sure. | 19:19 |
| aquarius | http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/Intent.html#ACTION_CAMERA_BUTTON, although that might be only for a hardware camera button :) | 19:19 |
| CardinalFang | Yeah, that's how the camera app knows to begin running. | 19:19 |
| aquarius | oh, that's not the camera button to *take* a picture, it's the one to start the camera app? bah. | 19:19 |
| aquarius | my phone doesn't have a hardware camera button | 19:20 |
| CardinalFang | Well, it may do both. | 19:20 |
| CardinalFang | Mine either. | 19:20 |
| aquarius | be interesting to see if that intent is fired when taking a picture, though | 19:21 |
| karni | I'm 99.5% sure I've been there and checked that. | 19:21 |
| karni | I've really tried to find a broadcast action for what we needed. | 19:21 |
| * karni just had an Ubuntu 10.10 server failure, doh | 19:23 | |
| CardinalFang | I've been thinking of making a Cron app or firmware hack. It figures out some way of running all the time. It broadasts intents for time. You could register to hear org.chad.Cron.MINUTE_20 to get run every hour. | 19:29 |
| aquarius | isn't this what AlarmManager is for? | 19:30 |
| CardinalFang | Dunno. | 19:30 |
| aquarius | http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/AlarmManager.html | 19:30 |
| CardinalFang | These are not user-level events I have in mind. Some service gets started. | 19:30 |
| CardinalFang | Ah. Not bad. Repeating, too. Hmm! | 19:31 |
| CardinalFang | Okay. Now I don't have to write that. Yay! | 19:32 |
| aquarius | :) | 19:32 |
| karni | You guys head what I was saying ^ ^? Something sounding like... Alarm ;) | 19:36 |
| karni | Yes, that's exactly what I was talking about. | 19:37 |
| karni | We could see if there's new content in MediaProvider | 19:37 |
| karni | Since the last time we checked. | 19:37 |
| aquarius | yeah. If we can't be event-driven then we have to poll. Which sucks. | 19:37 |
| aquarius | would be worth pinging some android people and saying "there *must* be a way of doing this! surely! what is it?" | 19:38 |
| karni | aquarius: Still, this is relatively lightweight. Just one query using Alarms (which are adives way of doing repetitive work on Android) | 19:38 |
| * CardinalFang yells at bzr. | 21:28 | |
| mpt | nessita, hi, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDesignGuidelines may be relevant to the discussion I heard you having earlier | 21:52 |
| nessita | mpt: thanks! I'll take a look | 21:52 |
| beuno | CardinalFang, FWIW, song ids are md5s of the title+album+artist (IIRC) | 22:13 |
| beuno | er | 22:14 |
| beuno | CardinalFang, ignore that | 22:14 |
| CardinalFang | beuno, haha. You're everywhere. | 22:14 |
| beuno | they are our own hashes from our DB | 22:14 |
| * beuno spies everything | 22:14 | |
| beuno | CardinalFang, so, what I discussed with aquarius is that people need to make sure the files are in U1 anyway, so they may as well "verify" that by using our ID | 22:15 |
| CardinalFang | beuno, er, that's no good. | 22:15 |
| beuno | album ids are what we md5 to generate | 22:15 |
| beuno | CardinalFang, tell me more about this not good | 22:15 |
| CardinalFang | beuno, I think it's wrong to assume all the user's music files are going to be stored on Ubuntu One. | 22:19 |
| CardinalFang | beuno, would you like to rename this to be "ubuntuoneplaylists"? | 22:19 |
| beuno | CardinalFang, ah, that is probably the right thing to do | 22:21 |
| * CardinalFang notes that for tomorrow. | 22:22 | |
| CardinalFang | G'night, all. | 22:22 |
| beuno | night CardinalFang | 22:22 |
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