| ailo | holstein: How are things going? | 02:48 |
|---|---|---|
| holstein | not bad ailo :) | 02:50 |
| holstein | and you | 02:50 |
| holstein | ? | 02:50 |
| ailo | Fine. Just recovering from my aunties birthday party. Did you do any more firewire testing? | 02:51 |
| holstein | not yet | 02:51 |
| holstein | i have some things i need to mix down | 02:52 |
| holstein | i'll try and do some of the work over in natty | 02:52 |
| holstein | with the -lowlatency kernel | 02:53 |
| holstein | see how the performance is | 02:53 |
| ailo | Sounds like a good idea. | 02:53 |
| ailo | Live mixes? | 02:53 |
| holstein | well, we recorded live | 02:54 |
| holstein | at a friends house | 02:54 |
| holstein | i put it up for the singer to check out | 02:55 |
| holstein | a rough mix of the whole session | 02:55 |
| holstein | just one big track | 02:55 |
| holstein | http://holstein.shacknet.nu/melody/ | 02:55 |
| ailo | Nice vocals | 02:55 |
| holstein | ailo: yeahh | 02:58 |
| holstein | she's alright | 02:58 |
| holstein | im not crazy about the material | 02:58 |
| holstein | but its not bad | 02:58 |
| ailo | Sounds very traditional. | 02:58 |
| holstein | its in the neighborhood of what i do | 02:59 |
| holstein | raonyguimaraes: are you on the mailing list? | 03:51 |
| holstein | the IRC channels tend to be a bit dead | 03:51 |
| holstein | mailing list are more active | 03:51 |
| raonyguimaraes | not yet, I will subscribe where I can see what's going on ? | 03:52 |
| holstein | ScottL is who you need to talk to | 03:52 |
| raonyguimaraes | ok thank you | 03:52 |
| holstein | let me get some links going | 03:52 |
| holstein | raonyguimaraes: are you already a buntu dev? | 03:53 |
| raonyguimaraes | not really, I just use ubuntu for a long time and decided to start helping... | 03:53 |
| holstein | cool | 03:53 |
| holstein | i was trying to decide what i can link you | 03:54 |
| holstein | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio | 03:54 |
| raonyguimaraes | let me take a look | 03:55 |
| holstein | you'll want | 03:56 |
| holstein | https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel | 03:56 |
| holstein | maybe the users list https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users | 03:56 |
| holstein | raonyguimaraes: welcome :) | 03:58 |
| holstein | might take a bit to figure out what going on | 03:58 |
| holstein | ScottL is quite active | 03:59 |
| holstein | if you can hang for a bit, or check back | 03:59 |
| holstein | raonyguimaraes: you might also want to find and meet falktx | 04:00 |
| holstein | the KXstudio guy | 04:00 |
| raonyguimaraes | I saw his blog and some video he made as well | 04:00 |
| raonyguimaraes | thank you holstein ... | 04:09 |
| raonyguimaraes | Where I can read the e-mails that were sent ? | 04:10 |
| holstein | http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com/ maybe? | 04:11 |
| holstein | raonyguimaraes: i wouldnt sweat it too much | 04:11 |
| holstein | hopefully we'll make some new news soon :) | 04:11 |
| raonyguimaraes | great | 04:11 |
| ScottL | raonyguimaraes, hi, i wanted to touch base with you to say that i am very interested and excited that you want to help us :) | 04:30 |
| raonyguimaraes | cool man :) hope I can help ! | 04:30 |
| ScottL | raonyguimaraes, unfortunately, i need to go to bed already, but i will be around for most of the day tomorrow and will try to catch you then and we can talk further | 04:31 |
| raonyguimaraes | all right ... I will be online tomorrow and almost 24h this week ! | 04:31 |
| raonyguimaraes | Good night! | 04:31 |
| holstein | w00t :) | 04:31 |
| ScottL | i found bugs for the "drop to sigterm" during installation and for a kernel panic during installation that i have been experiencing trying to get a natty installation so i can fix the "unity/gnome-session" issue | 14:11 |
| ScottL | hi rlameiro , how are you this morning? | 14:16 |
| rlameiro | sleepy but great | 14:17 |
| rlameiro | its raining... I hate when it rains so much but welll, what to do | 14:17 |
| rlameiro | :D | 14:17 |
| ScottL | previous couple of days had been raining for us, i'm glad today wasn't since i took my daughter to school this morning | 14:44 |
| * ScottL is taking a week of vacation this week :) | 14:44 | |
| rlameiro | ScottL: great | 14:47 |
| ScottL | hi Raony, i have some time right now to talk when you are ready | 14:47 |
| ScottL | rlameiro, yeah, i'm hoping to make some progress for natty _if-i-can-get-a-working-install-of-natty-running_ :madface: | 14:48 |
| rlameiro | yeah | 14:49 |
| rlameiro | I will try to test some firewire also. lets see what happens | 14:49 |
| ScottL | rlameiro: holstein and ailo have been working on it pretty diligently, you might talk to them first and see where they are at | 14:50 |
| ScottL | apparently firewire has been broken since maverick :( | 14:50 |
| rlameiro | yeah. i need to test it with my edirol | 14:50 |
| rlameiro | My usb card is broken in maverick too, didnt had a chanve to test it on natty yet | 14:51 |
| rlameiro | *chance | 14:51 |
| ScottL | i also think that the tasksel is broken (or at least fracture) in natty as well | 14:54 |
| ScottL | from what i've seen it looks like there are more choices than were intended :( | 14:54 |
| ScottL | more fun to work through :/ | 14:54 |
| ailo | It would be great to get to the bottom of that. The picture I have so fat is, that firewire does not work on either Maverick or Natty without Aboganis -lowlatency kernel for Natty. | 15:06 |
| ailo | (..so far* is,..) | 15:07 |
| ailo | But, I suppose the generic kernel on Natty is not to be recommended anyway, because of RT_GROUP_SCHED being enabled | 15:09 |
| ailo | A guy on ffado mail list claims that he had no problems getting his audiofire card working on Maverick, but that the firewire mixer won't work with that version of ffado. | 15:14 |
| ScottL | ailo, i'm glad you understand more of that than i do :) | 15:27 |
| ailo | ScottL: Don't know if I understand so much, more so I'm just collecting info to try determine which works and which doesn't. Interesting to see if realtime will be accessed in a different way with future jack releases. As for firewire, I have no idea why it's not working on Maverick. | 15:31 |
| ailo | holstein: do you follow what happens on the ffado list? | 15:32 |
| ScottL | ailo, it has been suggested that ubuntu studio is borked because it doesn't have a dedicated, specialized kernel | 15:34 |
| ScottL | and i agree with the sentiment, if not the statement | 15:34 |
| ScottL | but what price for working within ubuntu | 15:35 |
| abogani | ScottL: borked? | 15:36 |
| holstein | ailo: eh | 15:36 |
| holstein | about half | 15:36 |
| ailo | ScottL: The -lowlatency kernel seems like the perfect allround kernel to replace a generic kernel for music production. | 15:36 |
| holstein | abogani: o/ :) | 15:37 |
| ailo | holstein: just looking for a post, hold on. | 15:37 |
| abogani | ScottL: Which features should that "specialized" kernel offer? | 15:37 |
| holstein | abogani: i finally have maverick and natty installs for testing kernels | 15:37 |
| abogani | holstein: :-) | 15:38 |
| holstein | abogani: you're not planning on RT anymore though right? | 15:38 |
| holstein | im going to try and do some actual work in natty today with your -lowlatency kernel | 15:38 |
| ailo | holstein: https://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=COL105-W52B12D342E8EDF1F3C84D0900E0%40phx.gbl&forum_name=ffado-user .. | 15:38 |
| holstein | seems promising with my presonus firepod :) | 15:39 |
| abogani | holstein: Do you need of it? | 15:39 |
| ailo | Check one of the last posts, by Richter | 15:39 |
| holstein | abogani: as of lucid, i did | 15:39 |
| holstein | in a bad way | 15:39 |
| holstein | but, your latest -lowlatency might be OK | 15:39 |
| holstein | and, i think thats the direction we're going | 15:40 |
| ailo | abogani: I would like to find out, how big the difference between the two is. For live music, we like to have around 5-10 ms latency, which depending on the machine is quite hard to get. | 15:40 |
| holstein | ailo: wow, ricoh chip in that first post | 15:41 |
| holstein | i only have one ricoh chip | 15:41 |
| holstein | and it xruns like crazy | 15:41 |
| abogani | I'm waiting to update RT kernel because *seems* that finally upstream have decided to update it to (perhaps) 2.6.37. | 15:42 |
| holstein | ScottL abogani , i like the idea of having the -lowlatency kernel .deb somewhere in natty on the disc | 15:42 |
| holstein | and -RT too | 15:43 |
| holstein | if that is still on the table | 15:43 |
| holstein | abogani: let me know if i can test something here | 15:43 |
| holstein | i feel like RT is optimal for firewire | 15:43 |
| abogani | holstein: the maintenance effort for the first one is very low (anyone could do the job) but it very high for -realtime. | 15:44 |
| abogani | I don't want fight against Ubuntu Kernel Team again. | 15:44 |
| abogani | As discussed with ScottL we think to provide -realtime in any case but only trought PPA. | 15:46 |
| holstein | abogani: COOL | 15:46 |
| holstein | i thought maybe you got frustrated and dropped it | 15:47 |
| holstein | *understandably so | 15:47 |
| ailo | holstein: I was thinking of the problems searching with firewire, to try determine why it is not working | 15:48 |
| ailo | On a post Richter gives a couple of commands to try determine what is wrong | 15:49 |
| ailo | There's also an alternative command to start jackd | 15:49 |
| holstein | i suppose i could try them | 15:49 |
| ailo | If you have time to poke around with firewire on both Maverick and Natty, maybe you could contact the guys over there | 15:50 |
| holstein | all i did was change to abogani 's kernel | 15:50 |
| holstein | and boom | 15:50 |
| holstein | it worked | 15:50 |
| ailo | Could be something simple | 15:50 |
| ailo | Would be great to have it in writing, so to speak. | 15:51 |
| holstein | yup, agreed | 15:51 |
| holstein | i'll see how envolved i can get with that | 15:51 |
| holstein | seems like rlameiro has more time now too | 15:52 |
| holstein | to help with FW testing | 15:52 |
| ailo | I will try to get asmo involved too | 15:52 |
| ailo | Gotta walk the dog. Nice chatting again.. | 15:53 |
| holstein | ailo: w00t :) | 15:53 |
| ScottL | abogani, i mean that it takes additional tweaking to "fix" it so that it works | 16:14 |
| ScottL | abogani, and it would be one aspect if there was a initial script that brought up a dialouge box and said "Make it AWESOME! Just click this button" | 16:15 |
| ScottL | abogani, and -rt or -lowlatency was installed, settings were adjusted, and firewire works like bananas | 16:15 |
| ScottL | abogani, so it isn't so much additional features as it is the rest of the kernel flags perhaps set judicially to work better for audio | 16:16 |
| * ScottL is still readind backscroll | 16:16 | |
| ScottL | holstein, we can only include packages on the disc that are in the repositories | 16:17 |
| ailo | ScottL: I think the Ubuntustudio controls could do that. Haven't started doing anything yet, but at least firewire should be no problem to set up. | 16:19 |
| ScottL | abogani, some of the problem might be the new kernel and ffado stack which understandably will need some tweaking under the hood after it's first implementation | 16:19 |
| ScottL | ailo, you will have a "make it AWESOME!" button ;) | 16:19 |
| ailo | ScottL: There could be some "system test" thing on it, if one wants. | 16:20 |
| ScottL | ailo, i kid, but i do seriously thank you for looking into it :) | 16:20 |
| holstein | ScottL: how can we get around that | 16:21 |
| holstein | ? | 16:21 |
| holstein | im seeing some F.U.D. | 16:22 |
| holstein | on the mailing list | 16:22 |
| holstein | that i tend to agree with in a small way | 16:22 |
| ailo | I would like to determine what the problem is with firewire first, since it does not really need any more tweaing than before, at least on Aboganis kernel. | 16:23 |
| ailo | twaking* | 16:23 |
| ailo | tweaking* | 16:23 |
| ScottL | ailo, can you run a diff between -generic source and abogani's -lowlatency kernel? | 16:26 |
| ScottL | ailo, we can expect some differences of course, some of the other changes might provide us with clues | 16:27 |
| ScottL | ailo, just a suggestion | 16:27 |
| ailo | ScottL: From what I understand, Aboganis kernel is the generic kernel, but configured differently. There are some options before compilation that are done differently. | 16:27 |
| ailo | So, it's not patched. It doesn't include any extra code | 16:28 |
| ScottL | holstein, i think the currently most viable method to include other kernels is to have a PPA setup with ubuntustudio-controls (or other methodology) enable the repo | 16:28 |
| ScottL | ailo, hmmm, i think you are right :( | 16:28 |
| holstein | ScottL: we can have abogani 's PPA setup out of the box? | 16:31 |
| ailo | Scott: Or is -lowlatency a vanilla kernel, in which case it doesn't include Ubuntu Scpecific stuff? Trying to find that out. | 16:34 |
| ScottL | holstein, i think we would need to adjust a package to add it to sources.list | 16:34 |
| ScottL | holstein, this may not be the only install vector, perhaps persia, jussi, JuniperJaxx, paultag, or TheMuso might have a different answer | 16:35 |
| ailo | ScottL: Can't we add things like that to Ubuntustudio settings? PPA's, that is. | 16:35 |
| ailo | Then try to do some kind of wizard, that let's you install the kernel. | 16:36 |
| ailo | Though, adding the PPA's can also be done from a wizard. | 16:37 |
| ailo | Well, Abogani could of course clarify this to us some more, but since the -lowlatency kernel is listed here, I assume it is a reconfigured Ubuntu kernel, not a Vanilla kernel. | 16:39 |
| ailo | http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git | 16:39 |
| ailo | ScottL: We could just start with making a script, that adds the user to audio group, fixes firewire, makes sure /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf exists. All the basic stuff. Once we have all the desired functions in place, we decide where or how to add them. | 16:54 |
| ailo | Also, adding PPA and installing kernel | 16:55 |
| ailo | Ending with a reboot.. | 16:56 |
| ScottL | ailo, that could be inlcuded in the ubuntustudio-controls package, this could also include a gui to moderate these settings as well | 17:05 |
| ailo | ScottL: Actually, I see all of this is already been proposed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ControlsRedesign | 17:07 |
| ailo | But, a script would still be the best place to start, to do testing and so on. | 17:07 |
| ailo | The ultimate solution I think would be to get a popup when starting jackd and something in the system was not properly set up. qjackctl can use a script at startup to do that. | 17:11 |
| ailo | I'm not an expert in scripting, but I can mock something up. I'll get back on that. | 17:13 |
| ScottL | ailo, cool :) i look forward to seeing what you come up with | 17:18 |
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