[02:48] holstein: How are things going? [02:50] not bad ailo :) [02:50] and you [02:50] ? [02:51] Fine. Just recovering from my aunties birthday party. Did you do any more firewire testing? [02:51] not yet [02:52] i have some things i need to mix down [02:52] i'll try and do some of the work over in natty [02:53] with the -lowlatency kernel [02:53] see how the performance is [02:53] Sounds like a good idea. [02:53] Live mixes? [02:54] well, we recorded live [02:54] at a friends house [02:55] i put it up for the singer to check out [02:55] a rough mix of the whole session [02:55] just one big track [02:55] http://holstein.shacknet.nu/melody/ [02:55] Nice vocals [02:58] ailo: yeahh [02:58] she's alright [02:58] im not crazy about the material [02:58] but its not bad [02:58] Sounds very traditional. [02:59] its in the neighborhood of what i do [03:51] raonyguimaraes: are you on the mailing list? [03:51] the IRC channels tend to be a bit dead [03:51] mailing list are more active [03:52] not yet, I will subscribe where I can see what's going on ? [03:52] ScottL is who you need to talk to [03:52] ok thank you [03:52] let me get some links going [03:53] raonyguimaraes: are you already a buntu dev? [03:53] not really, I just use ubuntu for a long time and decided to start helping... [03:53] cool [03:54] i was trying to decide what i can link you [03:54] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio [03:55] let me take a look [03:56] you'll want [03:56] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel [03:56] maybe the users list https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users [03:58] raonyguimaraes: welcome :) [03:58] might take a bit to figure out what going on [03:59] ScottL is quite active [03:59] if you can hang for a bit, or check back [04:00] raonyguimaraes: you might also want to find and meet falktx [04:00] the KXstudio guy [04:00] I saw his blog and some video he made as well [04:09] thank you holstein ... [04:10] Where I can read the e-mails that were sent ? [04:11] http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com/ maybe? [04:11] raonyguimaraes: i wouldnt sweat it too much [04:11] hopefully we'll make some new news soon :) [04:11] great [04:30] raonyguimaraes, hi, i wanted to touch base with you to say that i am very interested and excited that you want to help us :) [04:30] cool man :) hope I can help ! [04:31] raonyguimaraes, unfortunately, i need to go to bed already, but i will be around for most of the day tomorrow and will try to catch you then and we can talk further [04:31] all right ... I will be online tomorrow and almost 24h this week ! [04:31] Good night! [04:31] w00t :) [14:11] i found bugs for the "drop to sigterm" during installation and for a kernel panic during installation that i have been experiencing trying to get a natty installation so i can fix the "unity/gnome-session" issue [14:16] hi rlameiro , how are you this morning? [14:17] sleepy but great [14:17] its raining... I hate when it rains so much but welll, what to do [14:17] :D [14:44] previous couple of days had been raining for us, i'm glad today wasn't since i took my daughter to school this morning [14:44] * ScottL is taking a week of vacation this week :) [14:47] ScottL: great [14:47] hi Raony, i have some time right now to talk when you are ready [14:48] rlameiro, yeah, i'm hoping to make some progress for natty _if-i-can-get-a-working-install-of-natty-running_ :madface: [14:49] yeah [14:49] I will try to test some firewire also. lets see what happens [14:50] rlameiro: holstein and ailo have been working on it pretty diligently, you might talk to them first and see where they are at [14:50] apparently firewire has been broken since maverick :( [14:50] yeah. i need to test it with my edirol [14:51] My usb card is broken in maverick too, didnt had a chanve to test it on natty yet [14:51] *chance [14:54] i also think that the tasksel is broken (or at least fracture) in natty as well [14:54] from what i've seen it looks like there are more choices than were intended :( [14:54] more fun to work through :/ [15:06] It would be great to get to the bottom of that. The picture I have so fat is, that firewire does not work on either Maverick or Natty without Aboganis -lowlatency kernel for Natty. [15:07] (..so far* is,..) [15:09] But, I suppose the generic kernel on Natty is not to be recommended anyway, because of RT_GROUP_SCHED being enabled [15:14] A guy on ffado mail list claims that he had no problems getting his audiofire card working on Maverick, but that the firewire mixer won't work with that version of ffado. [15:27] ailo, i'm glad you understand more of that than i do :) [15:31] ScottL: Don't know if I understand so much, more so I'm just collecting info to try determine which works and which doesn't. Interesting to see if realtime will be accessed in a different way with future jack releases. As for firewire, I have no idea why it's not working on Maverick. [15:32] holstein: do you follow what happens on the ffado list? [15:34] ailo, it has been suggested that ubuntu studio is borked because it doesn't have a dedicated, specialized kernel [15:34] and i agree with the sentiment, if not the statement [15:35] but what price for working within ubuntu [15:36] ScottL: borked? [15:36] ailo: eh [15:36] about half [15:36] ScottL: The -lowlatency kernel seems like the perfect allround kernel to replace a generic kernel for music production. [15:37] abogani: o/ :) [15:37] holstein: just looking for a post, hold on. [15:37] ScottL: Which features should that "specialized" kernel offer? [15:37] abogani: i finally have maverick and natty installs for testing kernels [15:38] holstein: :-) [15:38] abogani: you're not planning on RT anymore though right? [15:38] im going to try and do some actual work in natty today with your -lowlatency kernel [15:38] holstein: https://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=COL105-W52B12D342E8EDF1F3C84D0900E0%40phx.gbl&forum_name=ffado-user .. [15:39] seems promising with my presonus firepod :) [15:39] holstein: Do you need of it? [15:39] Check one of the last posts, by Richter [15:39] abogani: as of lucid, i did [15:39] in a bad way [15:39] but, your latest -lowlatency might be OK [15:40] and, i think thats the direction we're going [15:40] abogani: I would like to find out, how big the difference between the two is. For live music, we like to have around 5-10 ms latency, which depending on the machine is quite hard to get. [15:41] ailo: wow, ricoh chip in that first post [15:41] i only have one ricoh chip [15:41] and it xruns like crazy [15:42] I'm waiting to update RT kernel because *seems* that finally upstream have decided to update it to (perhaps) 2.6.37. [15:42] ScottL abogani , i like the idea of having the -lowlatency kernel .deb somewhere in natty on the disc [15:43] and -RT too [15:43] if that is still on the table [15:43] abogani: let me know if i can test something here [15:43] i feel like RT is optimal for firewire [15:44] holstein: the maintenance effort for the first one is very low (anyone could do the job) but it very high for -realtime. [15:44] I don't want fight against Ubuntu Kernel Team again. [15:46] As discussed with ScottL we think to provide -realtime in any case but only trought PPA. [15:46] abogani: COOL [15:47] i thought maybe you got frustrated and dropped it [15:47] *understandably so [15:48] holstein: I was thinking of the problems searching with firewire, to try determine why it is not working [15:49] On a post Richter gives a couple of commands to try determine what is wrong [15:49] There's also an alternative command to start jackd [15:49] i suppose i could try them [15:50] If you have time to poke around with firewire on both Maverick and Natty, maybe you could contact the guys over there [15:50] all i did was change to abogani 's kernel [15:50] and boom [15:50] it worked [15:50] Could be something simple [15:51] Would be great to have it in writing, so to speak. [15:51] yup, agreed [15:51] i'll see how envolved i can get with that [15:52] seems like rlameiro has more time now too [15:52] to help with FW testing [15:52] I will try to get asmo involved too [15:53] Gotta walk the dog. Nice chatting again.. [15:53] ailo: w00t :) [16:14] abogani, i mean that it takes additional tweaking to "fix" it so that it works [16:15] abogani, and it would be one aspect if there was a initial script that brought up a dialouge box and said "Make it AWESOME! Just click this button" [16:15] abogani, and -rt or -lowlatency was installed, settings were adjusted, and firewire works like bananas [16:16] abogani, so it isn't so much additional features as it is the rest of the kernel flags perhaps set judicially to work better for audio [16:16] * ScottL is still readind backscroll [16:17] holstein, we can only include packages on the disc that are in the repositories [16:19] ScottL: I think the Ubuntustudio controls could do that. Haven't started doing anything yet, but at least firewire should be no problem to set up. [16:19] abogani, some of the problem might be the new kernel and ffado stack which understandably will need some tweaking under the hood after it's first implementation [16:19] ailo, you will have a "make it AWESOME!" button ;) [16:20] ScottL: There could be some "system test" thing on it, if one wants. [16:20] ailo, i kid, but i do seriously thank you for looking into it :) [16:21] ScottL: how can we get around that [16:21] ? [16:22] im seeing some F.U.D. [16:22] on the mailing list [16:22] that i tend to agree with in a small way [16:23] I would like to determine what the problem is with firewire first, since it does not really need any more tweaing than before, at least on Aboganis kernel. [16:23] twaking* [16:23] tweaking* [16:26] ailo, can you run a diff between -generic source and abogani's -lowlatency kernel? [16:27] ailo, we can expect some differences of course, some of the other changes might provide us with clues [16:27] ailo, just a suggestion [16:27] ScottL: From what I understand, Aboganis kernel is the generic kernel, but configured differently. There are some options before compilation that are done differently. [16:28] So, it's not patched. It doesn't include any extra code [16:28] holstein, i think the currently most viable method to include other kernels is to have a PPA setup with ubuntustudio-controls (or other methodology) enable the repo [16:28] ailo, hmmm, i think you are right :( [16:31] ScottL: we can have abogani 's PPA setup out of the box? [16:34] Scott: Or is -lowlatency a vanilla kernel, in which case it doesn't include Ubuntu Scpecific stuff? Trying to find that out. [16:34] holstein, i think we would need to adjust a package to add it to sources.list [16:35] holstein, this may not be the only install vector, perhaps persia, jussi, JuniperJaxx, paultag, or TheMuso might have a different answer [16:35] ScottL: Can't we add things like that to Ubuntustudio settings? PPA's, that is. [16:36] Then try to do some kind of wizard, that let's you install the kernel. [16:37] Though, adding the PPA's can also be done from a wizard. [16:39] Well, Abogani could of course clarify this to us some more, but since the -lowlatency kernel is listed here, I assume it is a reconfigured Ubuntu kernel, not a Vanilla kernel. [16:39] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git [16:54] ScottL: We could just start with making a script, that adds the user to audio group, fixes firewire, makes sure /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf exists. All the basic stuff. Once we have all the desired functions in place, we decide where or how to add them. [16:55] Also, adding PPA and installing kernel [16:56] Ending with a reboot.. [17:05] ailo, that could be inlcuded in the ubuntustudio-controls package, this could also include a gui to moderate these settings as well [17:07] ScottL: Actually, I see all of this is already been proposed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ControlsRedesign [17:07] But, a script would still be the best place to start, to do testing and so on. [17:11] The ultimate solution I think would be to get a popup when starting jackd and something in the system was not properly set up. qjackctl can use a script at startup to do that. [17:13] I'm not an expert in scripting, but I can mock something up. I'll get back on that. [17:18] ailo, cool :) i look forward to seeing what you come up with