| === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz | ||
| Riddell | rbelem: the samba share kdenetwork patch still has plenty issues but samba doesn't seem to be working here so that's probably a large part of the problem | 01:05 |
|---|---|---|
| Riddell | >net share | 01:06 |
| Riddell | Enter jr's password: | 01:06 |
| Riddell | session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE | 01:06 |
| Riddell | that doesn't seem right | 01:06 |
| rbelem | Riddell, try `net usershare info` | 01:07 |
| Riddell | that works | 01:07 |
| rbelem | Riddell, did you manage to share a dir with samba plugin patch? | 01:08 |
| Riddell | yes | 01:08 |
| rbelem | :-) | 01:08 |
| Riddell | but I can't browse them in dolphin or nautilus | 01:08 |
| Riddell | which suggests samba breakage | 01:09 |
| Riddell | also it doesn't stop the sharing when I untick the box | 01:09 |
| rbelem | :-/ | 01:09 |
| Riddell | oh I didn't have samba installed at first only samba-common-bin which caused some errors that would be nice to have handled | 01:09 |
| rbelem | Riddell, that's true... | 01:09 |
| rbelem | Riddell, need to check if samba daemon is installed | 01:10 |
| rbelem | i did not think about this issue | 01:10 |
| rbelem | Riddell, I'll fix that | 01:10 |
| Riddell | ideally it would then use kpackagekit to offer to install it | 01:11 |
| Riddell | I'm sure dantti can tell you how, it's just a dbus call | 01:11 |
| Riddell | rbelem: it's not clear what the table does | 01:12 |
| Riddell | the permisions table | 01:12 |
| Riddell | it's just text fields with no prompt of what to put in them | 01:12 |
| rbelem | Riddell, nice :-), we can ifdef the code for distributions | 01:13 |
| rbelem | Riddell, it is not done yet | 01:13 |
| rbelem | Riddell, you will have a check box for each item | 01:13 |
| rbelem | readonly, full, deny | 01:13 |
| Riddell | that would make sense | 01:13 |
| rbelem | but it is a pain to do that by hand | 01:14 |
| rbelem | i was trying to find a way to make it in an automatic way | 01:15 |
| rbelem | but did not find | 01:15 |
| Riddell | well you just have to make a QGridLayout and put the boxes in there, and expand the grid layout if you need more lines | 01:16 |
| rbelem | Riddell, do you think that the is fine? should i change something? | 01:16 |
| rbelem | Riddell, but the user can have only one option checked | 01:17 |
| Riddell | then use radio buttons, or a dropdown combobox | 01:18 |
| rbelem | so we have to use qgroupbutton iirc | 01:18 |
| rbelem | Riddell, combobox would be super easy, but it will look ugly, i guess | 01:19 |
| rbelem | not sure about radio | 01:19 |
| Riddell | rbelem: not really, see the Permissions tab on Dolphin Properties | 01:19 |
| rbelem | checking | 01:19 |
| rbelem | Riddell, hum... | 01:21 |
| rbelem | Riddell, that's looks pretty nice | 01:21 |
| rbelem | Riddell, which container would we use? | 01:21 |
| Riddell | how do you mean container? | 01:22 |
| rbelem | Riddell, the widget that will hold the users list and comboboxes | 01:23 |
| Riddell | just a qgridlayout no? | 01:23 |
| rbelem | Riddell, hum... but without the headers... | 01:24 |
| rbelem | and grid lines | 01:24 |
| Riddell | layouts have no grid lines | 01:24 |
| rbelem | Riddell, but does it use qscrollablearea? | 01:25 |
| Riddell | oh you can use a qframe if you want that | 01:26 |
| Riddell | actually, QScrollArea containing a QWidget with a QGridLayout | 01:27 |
| Riddell | hmm, I can't comment on your patch on reviewboard | 01:29 |
| Riddell | or at least I can't see how | 01:29 |
| rbelem | Riddell, need anything like qframe with borders around it? | 01:29 |
| rbelem | Riddell, would be nice to hear sheytan opnion about that | 01:31 |
| Riddell | agateau has opinions about borders | 01:31 |
| rbelem | Riddell, let's hear his opnion about that and then we finish the patch tomorrow | 01:34 |
| * Riddell goes to see if the rooftop swimming pool is open | 01:40 | |
| rbelem | Riddell, :-D | 01:42 |
| === stalcup changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - 2011 same procedure as every year: 2 releases and many hugs | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | KDE PIM 4.6 beta 4 to be packaged | alpha 2 bugs http://goo.gl/yGhJd || Kubuntu Meeting 6pm UTC Wed. the 12th || add your items https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings | ||
| Trouble | kpackagekit is fixed \o/ | 09:00 |
| valorie | nice! | 09:01 |
| * Trouble dances | 09:06 | |
| === Mamarok_ is now known as Mamarok | ||
| * phononlogger probably wont be able to make the meeting after all | 11:02 | |
| phononlogger | though I could throw in an occasional +1 or -1 via the n900 :P | 11:02 |
| phononlogger | !find qemu-arm-static | 11:08 |
| ubottu | Found: qemu-arm-static, qemu-kvm-extras-static | 11:08 |
| phononlogger | hm | 11:08 |
| === hunger_ is now known as hunger | ||
| * shadeslayer wavws weakly | 12:59 | |
| shadeslayer | *waves | 12:59 |
| * nigelb hands shadeslayer some complan | 13:14 | |
| * shadeslayer drinks complan ..... cough's some more and goes back into hiding | 13:15 | |
| sre-su | Does Quick Access(the one besides KDE Application Launcher in default panel) supports previously-selected-folder view? KDE 4.5.5 | 13:37 |
| === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan | ||
| ari-tczew | please sponsor this branch https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/ubuntu/maverick/rhythmbox/rhythmbox-bugfixes-maverick/+merge/43558 | 13:40 |
| shadeslayer | sre-su: better ask in #kde | 13:44 |
| shadeslayer | i doubt there are people around today | 13:45 |
| sre-su | Are there any people in #kde? O_o | 13:45 |
| shadeslayer | i know of just one quick access .. the panel one | 13:45 |
| shadeslayer | sre-su: id think so | 13:45 |
| shadeslayer | user support is #kubuntu and #kde | 13:46 |
| sre-su | shadeslayer: I'm talking about the same | 13:46 |
| shadeslayer | sre-su: dont think so | 13:46 |
| sre-su | Alright | 13:47 |
| Riddell | ari-tczew: that's not KDE, best ask in #ubuntu-desktop | 14:40 |
| ari-tczew | Riddell: uppsss, right, I pasted link in wrong tab in conversation, sorry :/ | 14:41 |
| steveire | Riddell: Any idea if 10.04 will get a KDE update so I can move beyond https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/680088 ? I'd like to do some kde pim 4.6 testing | 14:59 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 680088 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Upgrade fails "Can not mark 'kubuntu-desktop' for upgrade "" [Undecided,Invalid] | 14:59 |
| Riddell | steveire: I doubt it, I'm not sure how the update-manager would handle that | 15:08 |
| Riddell | it would need to remove kde first | 15:08 |
| Riddell | which is probably what you need to do to upgrade I'm afraid | 15:09 |
| Riddell | I'll ask mvo today when I see him, but there won't be a quick fix | 15:09 |
| steveire | Oh, I thought the quick fix was wait for a version of KDE greater than what I have now to appear in -updates... | 15:11 |
| steveire | Riddell: When will we need to have KDE PIM 4.6.x released to get it into the next kubuntu? | 15:12 |
| agateau | rbelem: can you attach a screenshot to your review request? | 15:13 |
| rbelem | agateau, oki :-) | 15:14 |
| Riddell | steveire: wiki.kubuntu.org/NattyReleaseSchedule Feb 24th FeatureFreeze | 15:15 |
| Riddell | steveire: and even then it'll need kolab sys to get successful results in their testing and for us to be confident enough to include it instead of 4.4 | 15:17 |
| Riddell | steveire: although even if we have 4.4 by default it would be good if we had 4.6 in the archive as well for the mobile bits and anyone who wanted it | 15:21 |
| Riddell | that'll need some packaging trickery | 15:21 |
| rbelem | agateau, done :-) | 15:34 |
| CIA-39 | [muon] jmthomas * 1213790 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/README.PACKAGERS Add a README.PACKAGERS file listing binary dependencies that will need to manually be depended on | 15:50 |
| CIA-39 | [muon] jmthomas * 1213791 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/TODO Remove completed items from the todo | 15:51 |
| steveire | Riddell: Ok. I'll need a clean install then I guess. | 16:00 |
| Riddell | steveire: that's probably the easiest, sorry about that | 16:02 |
| steveire | Ok. Might make sense to put that on the bug and mark it wontfix | 16:07 |
| steveire | So far after my message a while ago it looks like waiting will fix it | 16:08 |
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| yofel_ | o/ | 16:38 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| Riddell | hola yofel | 16:39 |
| Riddell | anyone want to write a Qt Creator into equivalent to this? http://developer.ubuntu.com/create/ | 16:47 |
| Riddell | jono asked for it | 16:47 |
| * shadeslayer looks | 16:47 | |
| shadeslayer | why not qtcreator? | 16:48 |
| shadeslayer | i meant it does pretty much what is described there | 16:49 |
| shadeslayer | except LP integration | 16:49 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: ? he's wanting one for Qt Creator | 16:49 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: you mean the page written for qt creator? | 16:49 |
| shadeslayer | how to use qtcreator.. how to install it ... ? | 16:50 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: yes, an equivalent of that page for Qt Creator | 16:50 |
| Riddell | to go on developer.ubuntu.com | 16:51 |
| shadeslayer | ah ok | 16:51 |
| shadeslayer | sure why not | 16:51 |
| shadeslayer | i can do it | 16:52 |
| Riddell | great | 16:52 |
| Riddell | well, needs to be done this week | 16:53 |
| Riddell | I think they want to launch the site next week | 16:53 |
| shadeslayer | ah | 16:53 |
| Riddell | to tight a deadline? | 16:53 |
| shadeslayer | ill work on it tonight then | 16:53 |
| shadeslayer | nope | 16:53 |
| Riddell | awesome | 16:53 |
| shadeslayer | i can get a rough draft ready | 16:53 |
| shadeslayer | then we can polish it up | 16:53 |
| shadeslayer | to the piratepad! | 16:55 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: http://piratepad.net/kubuntucreate | 16:56 |
| agateau | rbelem: thanks | 17:04 |
| Riddell | steveire: a workaround for the upgrade issue would be to add the maverick kubuntu-ppa updates PPA | 17:24 |
| steveire | interesting. Might try that. Won't that mean I always have the same issue when attempting to upgrade and I'll always have to add a ppa from the next release? | 17:28 |
| Riddell | steveire: no becaues updates PPA has 4.5.5 for maverick but natty will have 4.6 | 17:29 |
| Riddell | deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu maverick main | 17:30 |
| Riddell | is what you want in sources.list | 17:30 |
| Riddell | actually, you probably can't just test that since the upgrade tool will disable PPAs | 17:31 |
| steveire | I'll try it out | 17:33 |
| shadeslayer | well there is a way around it | 17:39 |
| Riddell | steveire: mvo will comment on bug 680088 shortly with how to stop PPAs being disabled during upgrade | 17:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 680088 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Upgrade fails "Can not mark 'kubuntu-desktop' for upgrade "" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/680088 | 17:39 |
| shadeslayer | steveire: install kdepim beta -> when you want to upgrade s/lucid/maverick in sources.list -> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade | 17:40 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: eh? | 17:41 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: well .. that wont disable the ppa's | 17:41 |
| shadeslayer | and you can still upgrade | 17:41 |
| shadeslayer | you'll need to add the kubuntu-ppa ofcourse | 17:41 |
| Riddell | you really shouldn't tell people to update apt for distro version upgrades, that way trouble lies | 17:42 |
| shadeslayer | the beta one .. | 17:42 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: really? .. i thought thats what do-release-upgrade does | 17:42 |
| Riddell | and steveire is kindly testing out if we can get the distupgrade tool to work around the issue | 17:42 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: no it runs the distupgrade tool which has policy on how to upgrade | 17:42 |
| yofel | still dangerous but better would be to use aptitude interactively, press U to update, and then search for kubuntu-desktop and make sure that stays installed | 17:42 |
| shadeslayer | ah | 17:43 |
| Riddell | apt-get dist-upgrade has no policy and will just propose something that might involve uninstalling most of what you want | 17:43 |
| Riddell | amarok for the pacakging | 17:44 |
| Riddell | kdevelop too | 17:44 |
| yofel | I'll try kdevelop in an hour or so if nobody else wants to do it | 17:46 |
| shadeslayer | i might take up amarok after i finish this qtcreator doc | 17:47 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: http://developer.ubuntu.com/create/ << the first point in 'Getting Started' ... -> "for new application .. " -> "For new application" | 17:50 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: don't tell me, tell whoever is incharge of that site | 17:51 |
| shadeslayer | who is ? :P | 17:52 |
| Riddell | dunno, probably one of jono's minions | 17:52 |
| shadeslayer | hmm ... so possibly poke in #ubuntu-devel .. | 17:52 |
| shadeslayer | or someplace else? | 17:52 |
| Riddell | poke jono | 17:53 |
| shadeslayer | ok | 17:53 |
| shadeslayer | i guess we can keep the same install points as the quickly page | 17:55 |
| afiestas | how can I install Kubuntu 11.04 alpha1 via usb? | 18:06 |
| afiestas | (my cd drive is broken) | 18:07 |
| shadeslayer | afiestas: use usb-creator? | 18:08 |
| shadeslayer | you need the iso of the alpha CD and usb-creator to write it to the usb drive | 18:09 |
| shadeslayer | !usb > afiestas | 18:09 |
| ubottu | afiestas, please see my private message | 18:09 |
| debfx | is anyone already working on amarok 2.4? | 18:09 |
| shadeslayer | debfx: well ... i was thinking of .. but if you want to take it up, go ahead | 18:09 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: have a look at the piratepad | 18:11 |
| shadeslayer | im stuck now :P | 18:11 |
| debfx | ok, i'll package it | 18:11 |
| Riddell | thanks debfx | 18:12 |
| allee | steveir | 18:18 |
| neversfelde_ | is someone already working on amarok 1.4? | 18:24 |
| === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde | ||
| yofel | neversfelde: if you mean 2.4 debfx is doing that | 18:25 |
| neversfelde | yes, sorry 2.4 | 18:25 |
| neversfelde | ok | 18:25 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: I'm sure we can find something else if you want to do some packaging :) | 18:31 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: ok? | 18:31 |
| Riddell | wow, my laptop just froze solid | 18:38 |
| Riddell | that doesn't happen often | 18:38 |
| Riddell | probably having 0B free disk space doesn't help | 18:38 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: how about bug 683439 ? | 18:38 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 683439 in kdeedu (Ubuntu) "split kalgebra mobile" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683439 | 18:38 |
| highvoltage | that usually doesn't help much | 18:38 |
| yofel | Riddell: kdevelop 4.1.90 right? | 18:39 |
| Riddell | http://download.kde.org/download.php?url=unstable/kdevelop/4.1.90/src | 18:39 |
| Riddell | yes | 18:39 |
| yofel | k | 18:40 |
| Riddell | for natty and if you are up for it for kubuntu-ppa/backports maverick | 18:40 |
| Riddell | hmm, not backport | 18:40 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: I will have a look. Seems that I have to merge choqok first, I did not know that it is necessary to do a merge, when there are no changes except of a simple package upgrade in debian | 18:40 |
| Riddell | kubuntu-ppa/beta | 18:40 |
| yofel | sure | 18:40 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: why do you have to? | 18:40 |
| ScottK | neversfelde: If there's no changes from Debian that we need to maintain, just request a sync. | 18:41 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: Bug 701178 | 18:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 701178 in choqok (Ubuntu) "[needs-packaging] new upstream release candidate 0.9.98" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/701178 | 18:42 |
| neversfelde | ScottK: my package is different from the debian one, for example it has a build-dep libindicate-qt-dev, because choqok supports the message indicator now | 18:43 |
| Riddell | choqok can't be merged, it needs the POT export thing | 18:43 |
| ScottK | neversfelde: OK. | 18:43 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: the POT export thing? | 18:43 |
| Riddell | export KUBUNTU_DESKTOP_POT=extragear-network_choqok | 18:44 |
| Riddell | in debian/rules | 18:44 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: personally i wouldn't waste time on a merge, merges are for the beginning of the cycle | 18:44 |
| Riddell | if we merge every time debian updates we'll do nothing but merging | 18:44 |
| neversfelde | yes | 18:44 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: want me to review and upload your choqok package? | 18:45 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: would be great | 18:45 |
| shadeslayer | arent we at the beginning of the natty cycle? :P | 18:45 |
| shadeslayer | or are we talking about pre alpha | 18:46 |
| yofel | pre-debian_import_freeze would be my assumption | 18:46 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: http://gitweb.kde.org/?s=nalvarez/kdeb | 18:47 |
| shadeslayer | look what we have :D | 18:47 |
| yofel | this'll be so much fun | 18:47 |
| shadeslayer | yeah :P | 18:48 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: what's that? | 18:49 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: kdebindings :P | 18:49 |
| Riddell | separated kdebindings is a good thing | 18:49 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: thats why itll be fun | 18:49 |
| Riddell | means it doesn't hold up the whole package if one bit breaks | 18:49 |
| Riddell | which often happens | 18:49 |
| shadeslayer | yep | 18:49 |
| yofel | that's esp. the case for neon | 18:49 |
| Riddell | choqok seems to be working, message indicator working to | 19:04 |
| Riddell | agateau: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/choqok-message-indicator.png | 19:04 |
| agateau | Riddell: nice (except for the text overflow :/) | 19:05 |
| Riddell | I can't find a way to turn off the systray icon though, which rather defeats the purpose | 19:05 |
| agateau | indeed | 19:05 |
| Riddell | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=262884 | 19:10 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 262884 in general "No way to turn off systray icon" [Normal,New] | 19:10 |
| Riddell | why do people insist on using twitter for bug reports? | 19:10 |
| yofel | it's at hand | 19:11 |
| debfx | agateau: is the amarok mpris 2 patch completely merged upstream? | 19:11 |
| Quintasan | I agree with Riddell, why on Earth would we want tray icons when we have message indicator, I turned it off soley because of that | 19:18 |
| mgraesslin | shadeslayer: you understood my mail? I feel like I wrote Chineese | 19:19 |
| shadeslayer | just got it | 19:19 |
| shadeslayer | lemme see :D | 19:19 |
| mgraesslin | no I mean my first one | 19:20 |
| shadeslayer | oh | 19:20 |
| shadeslayer | yes .. | 19:20 |
| mgraesslin | it seems to me that they do not understand at all what I wrote | 19:20 |
| mgraesslin | and are too much into an idea they have and try to fix my idea into their idea | 19:21 |
| Quintasan | mgraesslin: Sometime we all do feel like writing Chinese :P | 19:21 |
| Quintasan | mgraesslin: something along the lines "We heard you like ideas so we put an idea in you idea so you can come up with ideas while you come up with ideas" ? | 19:21 |
| yofel | why on Earth would we want a message indicator when we have tray icons? :D | 19:22 |
| mgraesslin | hehe | 19:22 |
| Quintasan | yofel: Y U TOO MUCH TRAY ICONS? | 19:22 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: mind doing a quick removal of libdebconf-kde, source only please? (replaced by the debconf-kde source package) | 19:23 |
| yofel | *shrug* - make the message indicator red then, I always fail to notice the green background with quassel | 19:23 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: no .. ETOOMANYTRAYICONS | 19:25 |
| shadeslayer | mgraesslin: so i completely agree with the pinned tab thing | 19:25 |
| yofel | ETRAY_ICON_UNNOTICIBLE | 19:25 |
| mgraesslin | good :-) | 19:25 |
| yofel | the message is a tray icon anyway | 19:25 |
| shadeslayer | as for the web app stuff ... im not sure i quite understand the discussion | 19:25 |
| yofel | *message indicator | 19:25 |
| shadeslayer | ill go through it again this weekend | 19:26 |
| mgraesslin | if I had known that rekonq supports pinned tabs, I would have written pinned tabs from the beginning | 19:26 |
| shadeslayer | spending a few hours on it | 19:26 |
| shadeslayer | mgraesslin: its recently introduced | 19:26 |
| mgraesslin | with pinned tabs, it's something like ~100 lines of code in rekonq what I am thinking about | 19:26 |
| Quintasan | shadeslayer: will rekonq ever work? | 19:27 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: it works! you dont know how to hold it ... erm .. use it :P | 19:27 |
| mgraesslin | from the impression of that thread I started: no | 19:27 |
| Quintasan | phononlogger: where is my kubotu in #project-neon? | 19:27 |
| shadeslayer | mgraesslin: uh : <mgraesslin> from the impression of that thread I started: no : in reply to Quintasan? | 19:28 |
| mgraesslin | yes | 19:28 |
| shadeslayer | hmm ... | 19:29 |
| mgraesslin | getting as an external to an discussion and the style of discussion can say a lot about a project | 19:29 |
| mgraesslin | I mean my idea can be completely stupid and in that case it should be rejected | 19:30 |
| mgraesslin | but that's not done in the discussion | 19:31 |
| neversfelde | I totally forgot about the partitionmanager mir | 19:31 |
| neversfelde | sorry | 19:31 |
| neversfelde | bug 701617 | 19:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 701617 in partitionmanager (Ubuntu) "[MIR] partitionmanager" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/701617 | 19:31 |
| neversfelde | I saw it is still on the agenda for the meeting | 19:31 |
| shadeslayer | lol | 19:35 |
| shadeslayer | mgraesslin: seen benjamin's mail? | 19:35 |
| mgraesslin | yes | 19:35 |
| shadeslayer | the first line pretty much confirms what you just said | 19:35 |
| mgraesslin | I don't feel like speaking Chineese any more :-) | 19:36 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 19:36 |
| shadeslayer | mgraesslin: your last mail explains everything nicely | 19:38 |
| shadeslayer | im adding a +1 to that | 19:38 |
| mgraesslin | I need to work on my writing style or let others read mails first ;-) | 19:40 |
| shadeslayer | hahah :D | 19:41 |
| shadeslayer | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704111504576059713528698754.html << also makes for a good read | 19:43 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: I think rekonq will work fsvo work. The bigger question is will it ever not be slow. | 19:49 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: the even bigger question is ... will kdewebkit be not slow | 20:00 |
| shadeslayer | because the rendering is all done by kdewebkit | 20:00 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: Users don't care why. | 20:00 |
| shadeslayer | everyone hates users ... ask phononlogger :P | 20:01 |
| neversfelde | mhh | 20:03 |
| yofel | yep, users are the one reason software breaks, get rid of them | 20:03 |
| shadeslayer | yofel++ | 20:03 |
| shadeslayer | they invent new use cases that programmers have to then cover | 20:04 |
| yofel | hm, I need a kdeutils-dev | 20:07 |
| yofel | http://paste.ubuntu.com/552945/ | 20:07 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: what are you compiling? :P | 20:08 |
| yofel | new kdevelop | 20:08 |
| shadeslayer | ah thought so | 20:08 |
| yofel | the okteta stuff is in kdeutils not-installed currently | 20:08 |
| yofel | Riddell: can I add a kdeutils-dev package for those? | 20:09 |
| Riddell | yofel: is it needed? | 20:13 |
| yofel | Riddell: kdevelop wan't the okteta libraries | 20:14 |
| yofel | *wants | 20:14 |
| Riddell | right I see | 20:14 |
| Riddell | yofel: aye, go for it | 20:14 |
| Daskreech | Can someone pastebin a debian/install file for me? | 20:14 |
| Daskreech | I think that I've somehow screwed mine up | 20:14 |
| Daskreech | Hi rickspencer3 | 20:14 |
| Riddell | Daskreech: it's just a list of files | 20:15 |
| rickspencer3 | hi Daskreech | 20:15 |
| Daskreech | Riddell: I know but mine throws an error everytime I run debuild | 20:15 |
| ScottK | yofel: Make sure to make the dependencies tight enough since we have no guarantees of ABI stability for kdeutils (see kopete-cryptography/kdenetworking as an example) | 20:15 |
| Daskreech | I just want some comparison so I can figure out what stupid thing I did | 20:15 |
| yofel | ScottK: ok, will do | 20:16 |
| Riddell | Daskreech: apt-get source kdetoys | 20:16 |
| ScottK | Daskreech: All of ours are available in bzr at lp:~/[packagename]/kubuntu-members/ubuntu | 20:16 |
| Daskreech | ScottK: ok I'll peruse | 20:19 |
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| agateau | debfx: I think the mpris2 patch is completely upstream yes, | 20:22 |
| agateau | debfx: the part about indicate-qt is not, | 20:23 |
| agateau | debfx: but I have been told it is not needed anymore, will confirm today hopefully | 20:23 |
| afiestas | yay, running 11.04 :D | 20:28 |
| shadeslayer | afiestas: kewl :D | 20:29 |
| debfx | agateau: great, one less patch in our package :) | 20:29 |
| afiestas | do you plan to pack (or use) oxygen-gtk ? | 20:30 |
| agateau | debfx: yes, actually conor (the soundmenu guy) is testing a new version of Amarok package which drops libindicate (but add a tiny one-line patch) | 20:30 |
| Daskreech | ScottK: only thing being I'm mapping files. From etc/{packagename} to etc/{providername} for instance | 20:32 |
| debfx | agateau: nice, what about 12_appmenu_fix.diff? | 20:33 |
| ScottK | Daskreech: That will depend on the install path in your package. It may need to be something like etc/{packagename} debian/tmp/[binarypackage]/etc/{providername} | 20:34 |
| agateau | debfx: I need to check whether that one has been upstreamed | 20:34 |
| agateau | debfx: I think it has | 20:34 |
| Daskreech | ScottK: oh. I had it the other way debian/tmp/package etc/{providername} | 20:35 |
| Daskreech | Hmm Sure that's how it had worked before | 20:36 |
| ScottK | It's source destination | 20:36 |
| debfx | agateau: doesn't seem to be unless it has been fixed in a different way | 20:36 |
| Daskreech | ScottK: and the source is where it is in the temporary comile right? | 20:36 |
| Daskreech | so the opposite of what you just said? | 20:37 |
| ScottK | Daskreech: No. | 20:37 |
| ScottK | Source is where it exists when dh_install runs. | 20:37 |
| Daskreech | Hm mok I'll try map one file and see | 20:37 |
| ScottK | For a config file that isn't generated that'd usually be in some directory in the source. | 20:38 |
| agateau | debfx: ok, will push a request then | 20:38 |
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| 77CAAK78U | is freenode having issues or my connection? | 20:43 |
| 77CAAK78U | umm that's wierd | 20:43 |
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| Riddell | jjesse: freenode is | 20:43 |
| yofel | Riddell: ok, okteta is currently in kdesdk and we ship everything except the devel stuff in one 'okteta' package - I would go for a seperate libokteta package for ABI reasons, but should I put okteta and kasten libs together or seperate or one package per library? (seem to be 9 libs in total) | 20:44 |
| shadeslayer | night all | 20:47 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: ill fix the remaining doc tomorrow | 20:48 |
| neversfelde | there are a lot of complaints about the strigi not started warning with 4.6, someone knows if there is already a bug report about it? | 20:50 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: I've not looked at it at all I'm afraid | 20:51 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: I'll tidy it up when I get a minute | 20:51 |
| shadeslayer | sure :) | 20:51 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: needs a screenshot and that's about it I think | 20:51 |
| neversfelde | kk | 20:51 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: well ... needs a UI point as well | 20:51 |
| shadeslayer | the UI designer | 20:51 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: http://qt.nokia.com/images/products/qtcreatorbreakdown.png << screenshot | 20:52 |
| yofel | neversfelde: I know that one, annoying as hell | 20:52 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: that'll do | 20:52 |
| Riddell | assuming we can steal that | 20:53 |
| shadeslayer | shouldnt be a issue | 20:54 |
| shadeslayer | i stole their description :P .... maintains consistency imo | 20:55 |
| Riddell | yofel: isn't there a kdesdk-dev package? | 20:55 |
| shadeslayer | huh | 20:56 |
| yofel | Riddell: there is, currently empty | 20:56 |
| shadeslayer | screws coming out of the base of my system | 20:56 |
| shadeslayer | im already missing half of them | 20:56 |
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| Riddell | yofel: hmm, I think there's a .install file missing there | 20:57 |
| yofel | the kate devel files should be in there from the description, I can add them. Should I put okteta in there too? | 21:00 |
| Riddell | yofel: yes | 21:00 |
| Riddell | maybe I failed to add the .install file to bzr or something | 21:01 |
| yofel | actually, kate in in not-installed, so probably intentionally missing, but someone asked for those yesterday | 21:01 |
| Riddell | yofel: well I added kdesdk-dev recently because something needs the kate files | 21:02 |
| Riddell | see 4:4.5.90-0ubuntu1 changelog | 21:02 |
| Riddell | so they should be removed from the not-installed and added back | 21:02 |
| yofel | ok, and should I put the okteta libraries int a libokteta4 package? (libokteta4-6 ?) | 21:03 |
| Riddell | yofel: hmm | 21:09 |
| Riddell | one philosphy would be to make a separate package per library which means 8 new packages | 21:09 |
| Riddell | the other side would be to keep them all in the okteta package where they currently are | 21:10 |
| Riddell | do you know what libraries kdevelop needs exactly? | 21:10 |
| Riddell | maybe just split out those ones | 21:10 |
| yofel | kdevelop seems to search for all of them in cmake :/ | 21:13 |
| JontheEchidna | anybody on ubuntu-mir that could unsubscribe them from bug 701669? | 21:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 701669 in qvamps (Ubuntu) "Request for removal from archive (binary and source)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/701669 | 21:13 |
| phononlogger | Quintasan: idunno | 21:14 |
| phononlogger | shadeslayer: yes, users are dreadful | 21:14 |
| yofel | Riddell: it has 3 cmake files though searching for kasten, okteta and oktetakasten, maybe I could batch the libs like that? Or should I just create the new packages? | 21:15 |
| Riddell | yofel: let's ask debian | 21:19 |
| Riddell | since our main concern is to keep a small diff to them | 21:20 |
| Riddell | 21:29 < svuorela> one library in one package | 21:38 |
| Riddell | 21:29 < svuorela> and a okteta-dev | 21:38 |
| Riddell | yofel: best go with that then | 21:38 |
| yofel | Riddell: I would go with svuorelas approach then | 21:38 |
| yofel | heh | 21:38 |
| yofel | Riddell: I'll rename kdesdk-dev in kate-dev too then, ok? or do you want to keep that? | 21:39 |
| Riddell | yofel: kate-dev is good yes | 21:39 |
| Riddell | agateau: where are you? | 22:01 |
| Riddell | I have a git question | 22:01 |
| agateau | madison | 22:01 |
| agateau | 2nd floor | 22:01 |
| Riddell | floor? | 22:01 |
| Riddell | k | 22:01 |
| agateau | debfx: if I want to propose a merge request for Amarok in natty, which bzr branch should I use? | 22:59 |
| debfx | agateau: usually lp:~kubuntu-members/amarok/ubuntu but it's not up-to-date at the moment | 23:01 |
| agateau | debfx: yes, that's what I tried to use | 23:01 |
| Riddell | propose another merge request to make it up to date :) | 23:01 |
| agateau | debfx: so what's the best way to go? I have a patch for a bug report, should I simply attach the patch to it? | 23:02 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: with bug 701669 done should I remove libqt-perl and kde3bindings too? | 23:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 701669 in qvamps (Ubuntu) "Request for removal from archive (binary and source)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/701669 | 23:02 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: yes please | 23:02 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: on remove bugs it's a good idea to say if it's in debian or not (tells me if I have to add a sync blacklist) | 23:03 |
| debfx | agateau: yes, that's fine with me | 23:03 |
| agateau | debfx: ok | 23:03 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: what about gkdebconf ? | 23:04 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: I tried http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/qvamps but it says no package | 23:04 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: that's a suggests relation | 23:04 |
| Riddell | oh it's just a suggets on libqt-perl, that's fine | 23:04 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: right so that means it's not in debian, one more good reason for removal | 23:04 |
| JontheEchidna | For kde3 removals I've been not proposing anything for removal that hasn't already been removed from debian, but I'll start making note of this in my reports | 23:05 |
| JontheEchidna | It sounds as if debain will be getting more aggresive in kde3 removals after squeeze is released, though | 23:05 |
| Riddell | goodbye kde3bindings! | 23:06 |
| JontheEchidna | \o/ | 23:06 |
| Riddell | still 95 rdepends on kdelibs4c2a | 23:06 |
| JontheEchidna | 76 reverse-build-depends on kdelibs4-dev | 23:07 |
| JontheEchidna | 118 for libqt3-mt-dev | 23:08 |
| agateau | debfx: see bug #693316 | 23:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 693316 in Amarok "Amarok does not register with the menu" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/693316 | 23:09 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: oh, with kalcul you can also get rid of libeduclockwidget0 | 23:12 |
| Riddell | whatever that is | 23:14 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: libeduwidgetclock0 gone | 23:15 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: libdebconf-kde source was recently renamed to debconf-kde source. The former needs source package removal and the latter needs source package promotion | 23:17 |
| Riddell | I accepted debconf-kde this US morning | 23:20 |
| rbelem | agateau, which widget should I use to insert the username and combobox inside the QListView? | 23:20 |
| agateau | rbelem: it's a bit tricky, let me check | 23:20 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: libdebconf-kde gone | 23:20 |
| rbelem | agateau, thx :-) | 23:21 |
| agateau | rbelem: KWidgetItemDelegate: http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/classKWidgetItemDelegate.html | 23:24 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: thanks | 23:24 |
| debfx | agateau: is the libindicate patch still needed? | 23:25 |
| agateau | debfx: I am waiting for confirmation that it can go | 23:25 |
| rbelem | agateau, nice :-) | 23:29 |
| rbelem | agateau, thx, i will take a look on that :-) | 23:29 |
| agateau | rbelem: great | 23:30 |
| debfx | Riddell: two more kde3 removal bugs for you: bug #701713 and #701718 :) | 23:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 701713 in anymeal (Ubuntu) "Please remove anymeal source and binary package" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/701713 | 23:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 701718 in maxemumtvguide (Ubuntu) "Please remove maxemumtvguide source and binary package from the archive" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/701718 | 23:32 |
| Riddell | debfx: voila | 23:34 |
| debfx | thanks :) | 23:35 |
| JontheEchidna | kde-icons-noia just recently got removed from debian too | 23:36 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: is that a hint that I should remove it? | 23:36 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: yes please :) | 23:38 |
| debfx | these are all the ubuntu-only kde3 packages: http://paste.ubuntu.com/553009/ | 23:39 |
| Riddell | done | 23:39 |
| JontheEchidna | kyamo has a kde4 beta version that I am currently packaging | 23:40 |
| JontheEchidna | its build system seems to have gotten worse despite moving away from GNU autohell | 23:40 |
| Riddell | kdewebdev-kde3 exists because of quanta | 23:40 |
| Riddell | but I think the rest can be removed, some already are | 23:41 |
| JontheEchidna | kyamo switched to qmake, and instead of having a .desktop file in the source and not installing it, they don't have one at all now | 23:41 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: quanta depends on all of those other ones though :( | 23:41 |
| JontheEchidna | at some point I think we should just pull the plug on quanta-kde3 and let the kde3 remix packages take care of that | 23:42 |
| debfx | Riddell: kinstaller can be removed | 23:43 |
| Riddell | quanta seems to only depend on kdelibs, xlibs and kdewebdev3 bits | 23:43 |
| Riddell | but maybe now is the time to remove it | 23:44 |
| Riddell | what's the popcon score like? | 23:44 |
| Riddell | how about this? | 23:44 |
| Riddell | for asdf in datakiosk kautoclick kbib kinstaller kiso kleansweep klear kmhtconvert kmysqladmin koverartist; do lp-remove-package.py -u debfx -m "obsolete" ${asdf} -y; done | 23:45 |
| JontheEchidna | sounds fine to me | 23:45 |
| Riddell | debfx: ok with you? | 23:46 |
| debfx | Riddell: yes, sounds good :) | 23:47 |
| JontheEchidna | now we just have to wait for things to appear here: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/universe.html#removedfromA | 23:47 |
| JontheEchidna | gah, go ahead and remove kyamo. It's qmake buildsystem doesn't install anything | 23:49 |
| JontheEchidna | anything with a build system that bad isn't fit for consumption | 23:49 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: ^ | 23:49 |
| JontheEchidna | debfx: btw, how did you compile that list? | 23:50 |
| debfx | JontheEchidna: using my own hackish python script that downloads and parses the Packages files from debian and ubuntu | 23:51 |
| JontheEchidna | cool | 23:52 |
| debfx | so I can loop through all packages and do checks like ", ".join(package.buildDeps()).find("kdelibs4-dev")!=-1 and not sid.package(package.name()) | 23:53 |
| JontheEchidna | I'd be interested to see a list for libqt3-mt-dev, so we can see what we're up against on that front | 23:54 |
| debfx | JontheEchidna: Ubuntu-only packages? | 23:56 |
| JontheEchidna | debfx: yeah. it'd be easy enough to run reverse-build-depends on it ;-) | 23:56 |
| debfx | ah right ^^ | 23:56 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: kyamo gone | 23:57 |
| JontheEchidna | thanks | 23:57 |
| Riddell | qt3 is still in main, pesky LSB :( | 23:57 |
| debfx | JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/553021/ | 23:58 |
| JontheEchidna | I wonder if blogging about how the so-called "Standard Base" for Linux depending on unsupported, deprecated software would motivate any change :P | 23:58 |
| JontheEchidna | debfx: not that bad | 23:58 |
| JontheEchidna | I want to check if any of them have Qt4 ports we might have missed | 23:59 |
| JontheEchidna | bsc has one: http://www.beesoft.org/ | 23:59 |
| JontheEchidna | we should make a wiki | 23:59 |
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