=== Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [01:05] rbelem: the samba share kdenetwork patch still has plenty issues but samba doesn't seem to be working here so that's probably a large part of the problem [01:06] >net share [01:06] Enter jr's password: [01:06] session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE [01:06] that doesn't seem right [01:07] Riddell, try `net usershare info` [01:07] that works [01:08] Riddell, did you manage to share a dir with samba plugin patch? [01:08] yes [01:08] :-) [01:08] but I can't browse them in dolphin or nautilus [01:09] which suggests samba breakage [01:09] also it doesn't stop the sharing when I untick the box [01:09] :-/ [01:09] oh I didn't have samba installed at first only samba-common-bin which caused some errors that would be nice to have handled [01:09] Riddell, that's true... [01:10] Riddell, need to check if samba daemon is installed [01:10] i did not think about this issue [01:10] Riddell, I'll fix that [01:11] ideally it would then use kpackagekit to offer to install it [01:11] I'm sure dantti can tell you how, it's just a dbus call [01:12] rbelem: it's not clear what the table does [01:12] the permisions table [01:12] it's just text fields with no prompt of what to put in them [01:13] Riddell, nice :-), we can ifdef the code for distributions [01:13] Riddell, it is not done yet [01:13] Riddell, you will have a check box for each item [01:13] readonly, full, deny [01:13] that would make sense [01:14] but it is a pain to do that by hand [01:15] i was trying to find a way to make it in an automatic way [01:15] but did not find [01:16] well you just have to make a QGridLayout and put the boxes in there, and expand the grid layout if you need more lines [01:16] Riddell, do you think that the is fine? should i change something? [01:17] Riddell, but the user can have only one option checked [01:18] then use radio buttons, or a dropdown combobox [01:18] so we have to use qgroupbutton iirc [01:19] Riddell, combobox would be super easy, but it will look ugly, i guess [01:19] not sure about radio [01:19] rbelem: not really, see the Permissions tab on Dolphin Properties [01:19] checking [01:21] Riddell, hum... [01:21] Riddell, that's looks pretty nice [01:21] Riddell, which container would we use? [01:22] how do you mean container? [01:23] Riddell, the widget that will hold the users list and comboboxes [01:23] just a qgridlayout no? [01:24] Riddell, hum... but without the headers... [01:24] and grid lines [01:24] layouts have no grid lines [01:25] Riddell, but does it use qscrollablearea? [01:26] oh you can use a qframe if you want that [01:27] actually, QScrollArea containing a QWidget with a QGridLayout [01:29] hmm, I can't comment on your patch on reviewboard [01:29] or at least I can't see how [01:29] Riddell, need anything like qframe with borders around it? [01:31] Riddell, would be nice to hear sheytan opnion about that [01:31] agateau has opinions about borders [01:34] Riddell, let's hear his opnion about that and then we finish the patch tomorrow [01:40] * Riddell goes to see if the rooftop swimming pool is open [01:42] Riddell, :-D === stalcup changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - 2011 same procedure as every year: 2 releases and many hugs | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | KDE PIM 4.6 beta 4 to be packaged | alpha 2 bugs http://goo.gl/yGhJd || Kubuntu Meeting 6pm UTC Wed. the 12th || add your items https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings [09:00] kpackagekit is fixed \o/ [09:01] nice! [09:06] * Trouble dances === Mamarok_ is now known as Mamarok [11:02] * phononlogger probably wont be able to make the meeting after all [11:02] though I could throw in an occasional +1 or -1 via the n900 :P [11:08] !find qemu-arm-static [11:08] Found: qemu-arm-static, qemu-kvm-extras-static [11:08] hm === hunger_ is now known as hunger [12:59] * shadeslayer wavws weakly [12:59] *waves [13:14] * nigelb hands shadeslayer some complan [13:15] * shadeslayer drinks complan ..... cough's some more and goes back into hiding [13:37] Does Quick Access(the one besides KDE Application Launcher in default panel) supports previously-selected-folder view? KDE 4.5.5 === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [13:40] please sponsor this branch https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/ubuntu/maverick/rhythmbox/rhythmbox-bugfixes-maverick/+merge/43558 [13:44] sre-su: better ask in #kde [13:45] i doubt there are people around today [13:45] Are there any people in #kde? O_o [13:45] i know of just one quick access .. the panel one [13:45] sre-su: id think so [13:46] user support is #kubuntu and #kde [13:46] shadeslayer: I'm talking about the same [13:46] sre-su: dont think so [13:47] Alright [14:40] ari-tczew: that's not KDE, best ask in #ubuntu-desktop [14:41] Riddell: uppsss, right, I pasted link in wrong tab in conversation, sorry :/ [14:59] Riddell: Any idea if 10.04 will get a KDE update so I can move beyond https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/680088 ? I'd like to do some kde pim 4.6 testing [14:59] Ubuntu bug 680088 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Upgrade fails "Can not mark 'kubuntu-desktop' for upgrade "" [Undecided,Invalid] [15:08] steveire: I doubt it, I'm not sure how the update-manager would handle that [15:08] it would need to remove kde first [15:09] which is probably what you need to do to upgrade I'm afraid [15:09] I'll ask mvo today when I see him, but there won't be a quick fix [15:11] Oh, I thought the quick fix was wait for a version of KDE greater than what I have now to appear in -updates... [15:12] Riddell: When will we need to have KDE PIM 4.6.x released to get it into the next kubuntu? [15:13] rbelem: can you attach a screenshot to your review request? [15:14] agateau, oki :-) [15:15] steveire: wiki.kubuntu.org/NattyReleaseSchedule Feb 24th FeatureFreeze [15:17] steveire: and even then it'll need kolab sys to get successful results in their testing and for us to be confident enough to include it instead of 4.4 [15:21] steveire: although even if we have 4.4 by default it would be good if we had 4.6 in the archive as well for the mobile bits and anyone who wanted it [15:21] that'll need some packaging trickery [15:34] agateau, done :-) [15:50] [muon] jmthomas * 1213790 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/README.PACKAGERS Add a README.PACKAGERS file listing binary dependencies that will need to manually be depended on [15:51] [muon] jmthomas * 1213791 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/TODO Remove completed items from the todo [16:00] Riddell: Ok. I'll need a clean install then I guess. [16:02] steveire: that's probably the easiest, sorry about that [16:07] Ok. Might make sense to put that on the bug and mark it wontfix [16:08] So far after my message a while ago it looks like waiting will fix it === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [16:38] o/ === yofel_ is now known as yofel [16:39] hola yofel [16:47] anyone want to write a Qt Creator into equivalent to this? http://developer.ubuntu.com/create/ [16:47] jono asked for it [16:47] * shadeslayer looks [16:48] why not qtcreator? [16:49] i meant it does pretty much what is described there [16:49] except LP integration [16:49] shadeslayer: ? he's wanting one for Qt Creator [16:49] Riddell: you mean the page written for qt creator? [16:50] how to use qtcreator.. how to install it ... ? [16:50] shadeslayer: yes, an equivalent of that page for Qt Creator [16:51] to go on developer.ubuntu.com [16:51] ah ok [16:51] sure why not [16:52] i can do it [16:52] great [16:53] well, needs to be done this week [16:53] I think they want to launch the site next week [16:53] ah [16:53] to tight a deadline? [16:53] ill work on it tonight then [16:53] nope [16:53] awesome [16:53] i can get a rough draft ready [16:53] then we can polish it up [16:55] to the piratepad! [16:56] Riddell: http://piratepad.net/kubuntucreate [17:04] rbelem: thanks [17:24] steveire: a workaround for the upgrade issue would be to add the maverick kubuntu-ppa updates PPA [17:28] interesting. Might try that. Won't that mean I always have the same issue when attempting to upgrade and I'll always have to add a ppa from the next release? [17:29] steveire: no becaues updates PPA has 4.5.5 for maverick but natty will have 4.6 [17:30] deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu maverick main [17:30] is what you want in sources.list [17:31] actually, you probably can't just test that since the upgrade tool will disable PPAs [17:33] I'll try it out [17:39] well there is a way around it [17:39] steveire: mvo will comment on bug 680088 shortly with how to stop PPAs being disabled during upgrade [17:39] Launchpad bug 680088 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Upgrade fails "Can not mark 'kubuntu-desktop' for upgrade "" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/680088 [17:40] steveire: install kdepim beta -> when you want to upgrade s/lucid/maverick in sources.list -> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [17:41] shadeslayer: eh? [17:41] Riddell: well .. that wont disable the ppa's [17:41] and you can still upgrade [17:41] you'll need to add the kubuntu-ppa ofcourse [17:42] you really shouldn't tell people to update apt for distro version upgrades, that way trouble lies [17:42] the beta one .. [17:42] Riddell: really? .. i thought thats what do-release-upgrade does [17:42] and steveire is kindly testing out if we can get the distupgrade tool to work around the issue [17:42] shadeslayer: no it runs the distupgrade tool which has policy on how to upgrade [17:42] still dangerous but better would be to use aptitude interactively, press U to update, and then search for kubuntu-desktop and make sure that stays installed [17:43] ah [17:43] apt-get dist-upgrade has no policy and will just propose something that might involve uninstalling most of what you want [17:44] amarok for the pacakging [17:44] kdevelop too [17:46] I'll try kdevelop in an hour or so if nobody else wants to do it [17:47] i might take up amarok after i finish this qtcreator doc [17:50] Riddell: http://developer.ubuntu.com/create/ << the first point in 'Getting Started' ... -> "for new application .. " -> "For new application" [17:51] shadeslayer: don't tell me, tell whoever is incharge of that site [17:52] who is ? :P [17:52] dunno, probably one of jono's minions [17:52] hmm ... so possibly poke in #ubuntu-devel .. [17:52] or someplace else? [17:53] poke jono [17:53] ok [17:55] i guess we can keep the same install points as the quickly page [18:06] how can I install Kubuntu 11.04 alpha1 via usb? [18:07] (my cd drive is broken) [18:08] afiestas: use usb-creator? [18:09] you need the iso of the alpha CD and usb-creator to write it to the usb drive [18:09] !usb > afiestas [18:09] afiestas, please see my private message [18:09] is anyone already working on amarok 2.4? [18:09] debfx: well ... i was thinking of .. but if you want to take it up, go ahead [18:11] Riddell: have a look at the piratepad [18:11] im stuck now :P [18:11] ok, i'll package it [18:12] thanks debfx [18:18] steveir [18:24] is someone already working on amarok 1.4? === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [18:25] neversfelde: if you mean 2.4 debfx is doing that [18:25] yes, sorry 2.4 [18:25] ok [18:31] neversfelde: I'm sure we can find something else if you want to do some packaging :) [18:31] Riddell: ok? [18:38] wow, my laptop just froze solid [18:38] that doesn't happen often [18:38] probably having 0B free disk space doesn't help [18:38] neversfelde: how about bug 683439 ? [18:38] Launchpad bug 683439 in kdeedu (Ubuntu) "split kalgebra mobile" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683439 [18:38] that usually doesn't help much [18:39] Riddell: kdevelop 4.1.90 right? [18:39] http://download.kde.org/download.php?url=unstable/kdevelop/4.1.90/src [18:39] yes [18:40] k [18:40] for natty and if you are up for it for kubuntu-ppa/backports maverick [18:40] hmm, not backport [18:40] Riddell: I will have a look. Seems that I have to merge choqok first, I did not know that it is necessary to do a merge, when there are no changes except of a simple package upgrade in debian [18:40] kubuntu-ppa/beta [18:40] sure [18:40] neversfelde: why do you have to? [18:41] neversfelde: If there's no changes from Debian that we need to maintain, just request a sync. [18:42] Riddell: Bug 701178 [18:42] Launchpad bug 701178 in choqok (Ubuntu) "[needs-packaging] new upstream release candidate 0.9.98" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/701178 [18:43] ScottK: my package is different from the debian one, for example it has a build-dep libindicate-qt-dev, because choqok supports the message indicator now [18:43] choqok can't be merged, it needs the POT export thing [18:43] neversfelde: OK. [18:43] Riddell: the POT export thing? [18:44] export KUBUNTU_DESKTOP_POT=extragear-network_choqok [18:44] in debian/rules [18:44] neversfelde: personally i wouldn't waste time on a merge, merges are for the beginning of the cycle [18:44] if we merge every time debian updates we'll do nothing but merging [18:44] yes [18:45] neversfelde: want me to review and upload your choqok package? [18:45] Riddell: would be great [18:45] arent we at the beginning of the natty cycle? :P [18:46] or are we talking about pre alpha [18:46] pre-debian_import_freeze would be my assumption [18:47] yofel: http://gitweb.kde.org/?s=nalvarez/kdeb [18:47] look what we have :D [18:47] this'll be so much fun [18:48] yeah :P [18:49] shadeslayer: what's that? [18:49] Riddell: kdebindings :P [18:49] separated kdebindings is a good thing [18:49] Riddell: thats why itll be fun [18:49] means it doesn't hold up the whole package if one bit breaks [18:49] which often happens [18:49] yep [18:49] that's esp. the case for neon [19:04] choqok seems to be working, message indicator working to [19:04] agateau: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/choqok-message-indicator.png [19:05] Riddell: nice (except for the text overflow :/) [19:05] I can't find a way to turn off the systray icon though, which rather defeats the purpose [19:05] indeed [19:10] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=262884 [19:10] KDE bug 262884 in general "No way to turn off systray icon" [Normal,New] [19:10] why do people insist on using twitter for bug reports? [19:11] it's at hand [19:11] agateau: is the amarok mpris 2 patch completely merged upstream? [19:18] I agree with Riddell, why on Earth would we want tray icons when we have message indicator, I turned it off soley because of that [19:19] shadeslayer: you understood my mail? I feel like I wrote Chineese [19:19] just got it [19:19] lemme see :D [19:20] no I mean my first one [19:20] oh [19:20] yes .. [19:20] it seems to me that they do not understand at all what I wrote [19:21] and are too much into an idea they have and try to fix my idea into their idea [19:21] mgraesslin: Sometime we all do feel like writing Chinese :P [19:21] mgraesslin: something along the lines "We heard you like ideas so we put an idea in you idea so you can come up with ideas while you come up with ideas" ? [19:22] why on Earth would we want a message indicator when we have tray icons? :D [19:22] hehe [19:22] yofel: Y U TOO MUCH TRAY ICONS? [19:23] Riddell: mind doing a quick removal of libdebconf-kde, source only please? (replaced by the debconf-kde source package) [19:23] *shrug* - make the message indicator red then, I always fail to notice the green background with quassel [19:25] Quintasan: no .. ETOOMANYTRAYICONS [19:25] mgraesslin: so i completely agree with the pinned tab thing [19:25] ETRAY_ICON_UNNOTICIBLE [19:25] good :-) [19:25] the message is a tray icon anyway [19:25] as for the web app stuff ... im not sure i quite understand the discussion [19:25] *message indicator [19:26] ill go through it again this weekend [19:26] if I had known that rekonq supports pinned tabs, I would have written pinned tabs from the beginning [19:26] spending a few hours on it [19:26] mgraesslin: its recently introduced [19:26] with pinned tabs, it's something like ~100 lines of code in rekonq what I am thinking about [19:27] shadeslayer: will rekonq ever work? [19:27] Quintasan: it works! you dont know how to hold it ... erm .. use it :P [19:27] from the impression of that thread I started: no [19:27] phononlogger: where is my kubotu in #project-neon? [19:28] mgraesslin: uh : from the impression of that thread I started: no : in reply to Quintasan? [19:28] yes [19:29] hmm ... [19:29] getting as an external to an discussion and the style of discussion can say a lot about a project [19:30] I mean my idea can be completely stupid and in that case it should be rejected [19:31] but that's not done in the discussion [19:31] I totally forgot about the partitionmanager mir [19:31] sorry [19:31] bug 701617 [19:31] Launchpad bug 701617 in partitionmanager (Ubuntu) "[MIR] partitionmanager" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/701617 [19:31] I saw it is still on the agenda for the meeting [19:35] lol [19:35] mgraesslin: seen benjamin's mail? [19:35] yes [19:35] the first line pretty much confirms what you just said [19:36] I don't feel like speaking Chineese any more :-) [19:36] :P [19:38] mgraesslin: your last mail explains everything nicely [19:38] im adding a +1 to that [19:40] I need to work on my writing style or let others read mails first ;-) [19:41] hahah :D [19:43] http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704111504576059713528698754.html << also makes for a good read [19:49] Quintasan: I think rekonq will work fsvo work. The bigger question is will it ever not be slow. [20:00] ScottK: the even bigger question is ... will kdewebkit be not slow [20:00] because the rendering is all done by kdewebkit [20:00] shadeslayer: Users don't care why. [20:01] everyone hates users ... ask phononlogger :P [20:03] mhh [20:03] yep, users are the one reason software breaks, get rid of them [20:03] yofel++ [20:04] they invent new use cases that programmers have to then cover [20:07] hm, I need a kdeutils-dev [20:07] http://paste.ubuntu.com/552945/ [20:08] yofel: what are you compiling? :P [20:08] new kdevelop [20:08] ah thought so [20:08] the okteta stuff is in kdeutils not-installed currently [20:09] Riddell: can I add a kdeutils-dev package for those? [20:13] yofel: is it needed? [20:14] Riddell: kdevelop wan't the okteta libraries [20:14] *wants [20:14] right I see [20:14] yofel: aye, go for it [20:14] Can someone pastebin a debian/install file for me? [20:14] I think that I've somehow screwed mine up [20:14] Hi rickspencer3 [20:15] Daskreech: it's just a list of files [20:15] hi Daskreech [20:15] Riddell: I know but mine throws an error everytime I run debuild [20:15] yofel: Make sure to make the dependencies tight enough since we have no guarantees of ABI stability for kdeutils (see kopete-cryptography/kdenetworking as an example) [20:15] I just want some comparison so I can figure out what stupid thing I did [20:16] ScottK: ok, will do [20:16] Daskreech: apt-get source kdetoys [20:16] Daskreech: All of ours are available in bzr at lp:~/[packagename]/kubuntu-members/ubuntu [20:19] ScottK: ok I'll peruse === GrueMaster_ is now known as GrueMaster [20:22] debfx: I think the mpris2 patch is completely upstream yes, [20:23] debfx: the part about indicate-qt is not, [20:23] debfx: but I have been told it is not needed anymore, will confirm today hopefully [20:28] yay, running 11.04 :D [20:29] afiestas: kewl :D [20:29] agateau: great, one less patch in our package :) [20:30] do you plan to pack (or use) oxygen-gtk ? [20:30] debfx: yes, actually conor (the soundmenu guy) is testing a new version of Amarok package which drops libindicate (but add a tiny one-line patch) [20:32] ScottK: only thing being I'm mapping files. From etc/{packagename} to etc/{providername} for instance [20:33] agateau: nice, what about 12_appmenu_fix.diff? [20:34] Daskreech: That will depend on the install path in your package. It may need to be something like etc/{packagename} debian/tmp/[binarypackage]/etc/{providername} [20:34] debfx: I need to check whether that one has been upstreamed [20:34] debfx: I think it has [20:35] ScottK: oh. I had it the other way debian/tmp/package etc/{providername} [20:36] Hmm Sure that's how it had worked before [20:36] It's source destination [20:36] agateau: doesn't seem to be unless it has been fixed in a different way [20:36] ScottK: and the source is where it is in the temporary comile right? [20:37] so the opposite of what you just said? [20:37] Daskreech: No. [20:37] Source is where it exists when dh_install runs. [20:37] Hm mok I'll try map one file and see [20:38] For a config file that isn't generated that'd usually be in some directory in the source. [20:38] debfx: ok, will push a request then === jjesse is now known as 77CAAK78U [20:43] <77CAAK78U> is freenode having issues or my connection? [20:43] <77CAAK78U> umm that's wierd === 77CAAK78U is now known as jjesse [20:43] jjesse: freenode is [20:44] Riddell: ok, okteta is currently in kdesdk and we ship everything except the devel stuff in one 'okteta' package - I would go for a seperate libokteta package for ABI reasons, but should I put okteta and kasten libs together or seperate or one package per library? (seem to be 9 libs in total) [20:47] night all [20:48] Riddell: ill fix the remaining doc tomorrow [20:50] there are a lot of complaints about the strigi not started warning with 4.6, someone knows if there is already a bug report about it? [20:51] neversfelde: I've not looked at it at all I'm afraid [20:51] shadeslayer: I'll tidy it up when I get a minute [20:51] sure :) [20:51] shadeslayer: needs a screenshot and that's about it I think [20:51] kk [20:51] Riddell: well ... needs a UI point as well [20:51] the UI designer [20:52] Riddell: http://qt.nokia.com/images/products/qtcreatorbreakdown.png << screenshot [20:52] neversfelde: I know that one, annoying as hell [20:52] shadeslayer: that'll do [20:53] assuming we can steal that [20:54] shouldnt be a issue [20:55] i stole their description :P .... maintains consistency imo [20:55] yofel: isn't there a kdesdk-dev package? [20:56] huh [20:56] Riddell: there is, currently empty [20:56] screws coming out of the base of my system [20:56] im already missing half of them === SolidLiq is now known as solid_liq [20:57] yofel: hmm, I think there's a .install file missing there [21:00] the kate devel files should be in there from the description, I can add them. Should I put okteta in there too? [21:00] yofel: yes [21:01] maybe I failed to add the .install file to bzr or something [21:01] actually, kate in in not-installed, so probably intentionally missing, but someone asked for those yesterday [21:02] yofel: well I added kdesdk-dev recently because something needs the kate files [21:02] see 4:4.5.90-0ubuntu1 changelog [21:02] so they should be removed from the not-installed and added back [21:03] ok, and should I put the okteta libraries int a libokteta4 package? (libokteta4-6 ?) [21:09] yofel: hmm [21:09] one philosphy would be to make a separate package per library which means 8 new packages [21:10] the other side would be to keep them all in the okteta package where they currently are [21:10] do you know what libraries kdevelop needs exactly? [21:10] maybe just split out those ones [21:13] kdevelop seems to search for all of them in cmake :/ [21:13] anybody on ubuntu-mir that could unsubscribe them from bug 701669? [21:13] Launchpad bug 701669 in qvamps (Ubuntu) "Request for removal from archive (binary and source)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/701669 [21:14] Quintasan: idunno [21:14] shadeslayer: yes, users are dreadful [21:15] Riddell: it has 3 cmake files though searching for kasten, okteta and oktetakasten, maybe I could batch the libs like that? Or should I just create the new packages? [21:19] yofel: let's ask debian [21:20] since our main concern is to keep a small diff to them [21:38] 21:29 < svuorela> one library in one package [21:38] 21:29 < svuorela> and a okteta-dev [21:38] yofel: best go with that then [21:38] Riddell: I would go with svuorelas approach then [21:38]