[01:05] <Riddell> rbelem: the samba share kdenetwork patch still has plenty issues but samba doesn't seem to be working here so that's probably a large part of the problem
[01:06] <Riddell> >net share
[01:06] <Riddell> Enter jr's password: 
[01:06] <Riddell> session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE
[01:06] <Riddell> that doesn't seem right
[01:07] <rbelem> Riddell, try `net usershare info`
[01:07] <Riddell> that works
[01:08] <rbelem> Riddell, did you manage to share a dir with samba plugin patch?
[01:08] <Riddell> yes
[01:08] <rbelem> :-)
[01:08] <Riddell> but I can't browse them in dolphin or nautilus
[01:09] <Riddell> which suggests samba breakage
[01:09] <Riddell> also it doesn't stop the sharing when I untick the box
[01:09] <rbelem> :-/
[01:09] <Riddell> oh I didn't have samba installed at first only samba-common-bin which caused some errors that would be nice to have handled
[01:09] <rbelem> Riddell, that's true...
[01:10] <rbelem> Riddell, need to check if samba daemon is installed
[01:10] <rbelem> i did not think about this issue
[01:10] <rbelem> Riddell, I'll fix that
[01:11] <Riddell> ideally it would then use kpackagekit to offer to install it
[01:11] <Riddell> I'm sure dantti can tell you how, it's just a dbus call
[01:12] <Riddell> rbelem: it's not clear what the table does
[01:12] <Riddell> the permisions table
[01:12] <Riddell> it's just text fields with no prompt of what to put in them
[01:13] <rbelem> Riddell, nice :-), we can ifdef the code for distributions
[01:13] <rbelem> Riddell, it is not done yet
[01:13] <rbelem> Riddell, you will have a check box for each item
[01:13] <rbelem> readonly, full, deny
[01:13] <Riddell> that would make sense
[01:14] <rbelem> but it is a pain to do that by hand
[01:15] <rbelem> i was trying to find a way to make it in an automatic way
[01:15] <rbelem> but did not find
[01:16] <Riddell> well you just have to make a QGridLayout and put the boxes in there, and expand the grid layout if you need more lines
[01:16] <rbelem> Riddell, do you think that the is fine? should i change something?
[01:17] <rbelem> Riddell, but the user can have only one option checked
[01:18] <Riddell> then use radio buttons, or a dropdown combobox
[01:18] <rbelem> so we have to use qgroupbutton iirc
[01:19] <rbelem> Riddell, combobox would be super easy, but it will look ugly, i guess
[01:19] <rbelem> not sure about radio
[01:19] <Riddell> rbelem: not really, see the Permissions tab on Dolphin Properties
[01:19] <rbelem> checking
[01:21] <rbelem> Riddell, hum...
[01:21] <rbelem> Riddell, that's looks pretty nice
[01:21] <rbelem> Riddell, which container would we use?
[01:22] <Riddell> how do you mean container?
[01:23] <rbelem> Riddell, the widget that will hold the users list and comboboxes
[01:23] <Riddell> just a qgridlayout no?
[01:24] <rbelem> Riddell, hum... but without the headers... 
[01:24] <rbelem> and grid lines
[01:24] <Riddell> layouts have no grid lines
[01:25] <rbelem> Riddell, but does it use qscrollablearea?
[01:26] <Riddell> oh you can use a qframe if you want that
[01:27] <Riddell> actually, QScrollArea containing a QWidget with a QGridLayout
[01:29] <Riddell> hmm, I can't comment on your patch on reviewboard
[01:29] <Riddell> or at least I can't see how
[01:29] <rbelem> Riddell, need anything like qframe with borders around it?
[01:31] <rbelem> Riddell, would be nice to hear sheytan opnion about that
[01:31] <Riddell> agateau has opinions about borders
[01:34] <rbelem> Riddell, let's hear his opnion about that and then we finish the patch tomorrow
[01:40]  * Riddell goes to see if the rooftop swimming pool is open
[01:42] <rbelem> Riddell, :-D
[09:00] <Trouble> kpackagekit is fixed \o/
[09:01] <valorie> nice!
[09:06]  * Trouble dances
[11:02]  * phononlogger probably wont be able to make the meeting after all
[11:02] <phononlogger> though I could throw in an occasional +1 or -1 via the n900 :P
[11:08] <phononlogger> !find qemu-arm-static
[11:08] <phononlogger> hm
[12:59]  * shadeslayer wavws weakly
[12:59] <shadeslayer> *waves
[13:14]  * nigelb hands shadeslayer some complan
[13:15]  * shadeslayer drinks complan ..... cough's some more and goes back into hiding
[13:37] <sre-su> Does Quick Access(the one besides KDE Application Launcher in default panel) supports previously-selected-folder view? KDE 4.5.5
[13:40] <ari-tczew> please sponsor this branch https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/ubuntu/maverick/rhythmbox/rhythmbox-bugfixes-maverick/+merge/43558
[13:44] <shadeslayer> sre-su: better ask in #kde
[13:45] <shadeslayer> i doubt there are people around today
[13:45] <sre-su> Are there any people in #kde? O_o
[13:45] <shadeslayer> i know of just one quick access .. the panel one
[13:45] <shadeslayer> sre-su: id think so
[13:46] <shadeslayer> user support is #kubuntu and #kde
[13:46] <sre-su> shadeslayer: I'm talking about the same
[13:46] <shadeslayer> sre-su: dont think so
[13:47] <sre-su> Alright
[14:40] <Riddell> ari-tczew: that's not KDE, best ask in #ubuntu-desktop
[14:41] <ari-tczew> Riddell: uppsss, right, I pasted link in wrong tab in conversation, sorry :/
[14:59] <steveire> Riddell: Any idea if 10.04 will get a KDE update so I can move beyond https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/680088 ? I'd like to do some kde pim 4.6 testing
[15:08] <Riddell> steveire: I doubt it, I'm not sure how the update-manager would handle that
[15:08] <Riddell> it would need to remove kde first
[15:09] <Riddell> which is probably what you need to do to upgrade I'm afraid
[15:09] <Riddell> I'll ask mvo today when I see him, but there won't be a quick fix
[15:11] <steveire> Oh, I thought the quick fix was wait for a version of KDE greater than what I have now to appear in -updates...
[15:12] <steveire> Riddell: When will we need to have KDE PIM 4.6.x released to get it into the next kubuntu?
[15:13] <agateau> rbelem: can you attach a screenshot to your review request?
[15:14] <rbelem> agateau, oki :-)
[15:15] <Riddell> steveire: wiki.kubuntu.org/NattyReleaseSchedule Feb 24th  FeatureFreeze
[15:17] <Riddell> steveire: and even then it'll need kolab sys to get successful results in their testing and for us to be confident enough to include it instead of 4.4
[15:21] <Riddell> steveire: although even if we have 4.4 by default it would be good if we had 4.6 in the archive as well for the mobile bits and anyone who wanted it
[15:21] <Riddell> that'll need some packaging trickery
[15:34] <rbelem> agateau, done :-)
[15:50] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1213790 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/README.PACKAGERS Add a README.PACKAGERS file listing binary dependencies that will need to manually be depended on
[15:51] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1213791 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/TODO Remove completed items from the todo
[16:00] <steveire> Riddell: Ok. I'll need a clean install then I guess.
[16:02] <Riddell> steveire: that's probably the easiest, sorry about that
[16:07] <steveire> Ok. Might make sense to put that on the bug and mark it wontfix
[16:08] <steveire> So far after my message a while ago it looks like waiting will fix it
[16:38] <yofel_> o/
[16:39] <Riddell> hola yofel 
[16:47] <Riddell> anyone want to write a Qt Creator into equivalent to this? http://developer.ubuntu.com/create/
[16:47] <Riddell> jono asked for it
[16:47]  * shadeslayer looks
[16:48] <shadeslayer> why not qtcreator?
[16:49] <shadeslayer> i meant it does pretty much what is described there
[16:49] <shadeslayer> except LP integration
[16:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ?  he's wanting one for Qt Creator
[16:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you mean the page written for qt creator?
[16:50] <shadeslayer> how to use qtcreator.. how to install it ... ?
[16:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes, an equivalent of that page for Qt Creator
[16:51] <Riddell> to go on developer.ubuntu.com
[16:51] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[16:51] <shadeslayer> sure why not
[16:52] <shadeslayer> i can do it
[16:52] <Riddell> great
[16:53] <Riddell> well, needs to be done this week
[16:53] <Riddell> I think they want to launch the site next week
[16:53] <shadeslayer> ah
[16:53] <Riddell> to tight a deadline?
[16:53] <shadeslayer> ill work on it tonight then
[16:53] <shadeslayer> nope
[16:53] <Riddell> awesome
[16:53] <shadeslayer> i can get a rough draft ready
[16:53] <shadeslayer> then we can polish it up
[16:55] <shadeslayer> to the piratepad!
[16:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://piratepad.net/kubuntucreate
[17:04] <agateau> rbelem: thanks
[17:24] <Riddell> steveire: a workaround for the upgrade issue would be to add the maverick kubuntu-ppa updates PPA
[17:28] <steveire> interesting. Might try that. Won't that mean I always have the same issue when attempting to upgrade and I'll always have to add a ppa from the next release?
[17:29] <Riddell> steveire: no becaues updates PPA has 4.5.5 for maverick but natty will have 4.6
[17:30] <Riddell> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu maverick main
[17:30] <Riddell> is what you want in sources.list
[17:31] <Riddell> actually, you probably can't just test that since the upgrade tool will disable PPAs
[17:33] <steveire> I'll try it out
[17:39] <shadeslayer> well there is a way around it
[17:39] <Riddell> steveire: mvo will comment on bug 680088 shortly with how to stop PPAs being disabled during upgrade
[17:40] <shadeslayer> steveire: install kdepim beta -> when you want to upgrade s/lucid/maverick in sources.list -> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: eh?
[17:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: well .. that wont disable the ppa's
[17:41] <shadeslayer> and you can still upgrade
[17:41] <shadeslayer> you'll need to add the kubuntu-ppa ofcourse
[17:42] <Riddell> you really shouldn't tell people to update apt for distro version upgrades, that way trouble lies
[17:42] <shadeslayer> the beta one ..
[17:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: really? .. i thought thats what do-release-upgrade does
[17:42] <Riddell> and steveire is kindly testing out if we can get the distupgrade tool to work around the issue
[17:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no it runs the distupgrade tool which has policy on how to upgrade
[17:42] <yofel> still dangerous but better would be to use aptitude interactively, press U to update, and then search for kubuntu-desktop and make sure that stays installed
[17:43] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:43] <Riddell> apt-get dist-upgrade has no policy and will just propose something that might involve uninstalling most of what you want
[17:44] <Riddell> amarok for the pacakging
[17:44] <Riddell> kdevelop too
[17:46] <yofel> I'll try kdevelop in an hour or so if nobody else wants to do it
[17:47] <shadeslayer> i might take up amarok after i finish this qtcreator doc
[17:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://developer.ubuntu.com/create/ << the first point in 'Getting Started' ... -> "for new application .. " -> "For new application"
[17:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: don't tell me, tell whoever is incharge of that site
[17:52] <shadeslayer> who is ? :P
[17:52] <Riddell> dunno, probably one of jono's minions
[17:52] <shadeslayer> hmm ... so possibly poke in #ubuntu-devel ..
[17:52] <shadeslayer> or someplace else?
[17:53] <Riddell> poke jono
[17:53] <shadeslayer> ok
[17:55] <shadeslayer> i guess we can keep the same install points as the quickly page
[18:06] <afiestas> how can I install Kubuntu 11.04 alpha1 via usb?
[18:07] <afiestas> (my cd drive is broken)
[18:08] <shadeslayer> afiestas: use usb-creator?
[18:09] <shadeslayer> you need the iso of the alpha CD and usb-creator to write it to the usb drive
[18:09] <shadeslayer> !usb > afiestas
[18:09] <debfx> is anyone already working on amarok 2.4?
[18:09] <shadeslayer> debfx: well ... i was thinking of .. but if you want to take it up, go ahead
[18:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: have a look at the piratepad
[18:11] <shadeslayer> im stuck now :P
[18:11] <debfx> ok, i'll package it
[18:12] <Riddell> thanks debfx 
[18:18] <allee> steveir
[18:24] <neversfelde_> is someone already working on amarok 1.4?
[18:25] <yofel> neversfelde: if you mean 2.4 debfx is doing that
[18:25] <neversfelde> yes, sorry 2.4
[18:25] <neversfelde> ok
[18:31] <Riddell> neversfelde: I'm sure we can find something else if you want to do some packaging :)
[18:31] <neversfelde> Riddell: ok?
[18:38] <Riddell> wow, my laptop just froze solid
[18:38] <Riddell> that doesn't happen often
[18:38] <Riddell> probably having 0B free disk space doesn't help
[18:38] <Riddell> neversfelde: how about bug 683439 ?
[18:38] <highvoltage> that usually doesn't help much
[18:39] <yofel> Riddell: kdevelop 4.1.90 right?
[18:39] <Riddell> http://download.kde.org/download.php?url=unstable/kdevelop/4.1.90/src
[18:39] <Riddell> yes
[18:40] <yofel> k
[18:40] <Riddell> for natty and if you are up for it for kubuntu-ppa/backports maverick
[18:40] <Riddell> hmm, not backport
[18:40] <neversfelde> Riddell: I will have a look. Seems that I have to merge choqok first, I did not know that it is necessary to do a merge, when there are no changes except of a simple package upgrade in debian
[18:40] <Riddell> kubuntu-ppa/beta
[18:40] <yofel> sure
[18:40] <Riddell> neversfelde: why do you have to?
[18:41] <ScottK> neversfelde: If there's no changes from Debian that we need to maintain, just request a sync.
[18:42] <neversfelde> Riddell: Bug 701178
[18:43] <neversfelde> ScottK: my package is different from the debian one, for example it has a build-dep libindicate-qt-dev, because choqok supports the message indicator now
[18:43] <Riddell> choqok can't be merged, it needs the POT export thing
[18:43] <ScottK> neversfelde: OK. 
[18:43] <neversfelde> Riddell: the POT export thing?
[18:44] <Riddell> export KUBUNTU_DESKTOP_POT=extragear-network_choqok
[18:44] <Riddell> in debian/rules
[18:44] <Riddell> neversfelde: personally i wouldn't waste time on a merge, merges are for the beginning of the cycle
[18:44] <Riddell> if we merge every time debian updates we'll do nothing but merging
[18:44] <neversfelde> yes
[18:45] <Riddell> neversfelde: want me to review and upload your choqok package?
[18:45] <neversfelde> Riddell: would be great
[18:45] <shadeslayer> arent we at the beginning of the natty cycle? :P
[18:46] <shadeslayer> or are we talking about pre alpha
[18:46] <yofel> pre-debian_import_freeze would be my assumption
[18:47] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://gitweb.kde.org/?s=nalvarez/kdeb
[18:47] <shadeslayer> look what we have :D
[18:47] <yofel> this'll be so much fun 
[18:48] <shadeslayer> yeah :P
[18:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's that?
[18:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kdebindings :P
[18:49] <Riddell> separated kdebindings is a good thing
[18:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thats why itll be fun 
[18:49] <Riddell> means it doesn't hold up the whole package if one bit breaks
[18:49] <Riddell> which often happens
[18:49] <shadeslayer> yep
[18:49] <yofel> that's esp. the case for neon
[19:04] <Riddell> choqok seems to be working, message indicator working to
[19:04] <Riddell> agateau: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/choqok-message-indicator.png
[19:05] <agateau> Riddell: nice (except for the text overflow :/)
[19:05] <Riddell> I can't find a way to turn off the systray icon though, which rather defeats the purpose
[19:05] <agateau> indeed
[19:10] <Riddell> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=262884
[19:10] <Riddell> why do people insist on using twitter for bug reports?
[19:11] <yofel> it's at hand
[19:11] <debfx> agateau: is the amarok mpris 2 patch completely merged upstream?
[19:18] <Quintasan> I agree with Riddell, why on Earth would we want tray icons when we have message indicator, I turned it off soley because of that
[19:19] <mgraesslin> shadeslayer: you understood my mail? I feel like I wrote Chineese
[19:19] <shadeslayer> just got it 
[19:19] <shadeslayer> lemme see :D
[19:20] <mgraesslin> no I mean my first one
[19:20] <shadeslayer> oh
[19:20] <shadeslayer> yes .. 
[19:20] <mgraesslin> it seems to me that they do not understand at all what I wrote
[19:21] <mgraesslin> and are too much into an idea they have and try to fix my idea into their idea
[19:21] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: Sometime we all do feel like writing Chinese :P
[19:21] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: something along the lines "We heard you like ideas so we put an idea in you idea so you can come up with ideas while you come up with ideas" ?
[19:22] <yofel> why on Earth would we want a message indicator when we have tray icons? :D
[19:22] <mgraesslin> hehe
[19:22] <Quintasan> yofel: Y U TOO MUCH TRAY ICONS?
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: mind doing a quick removal of libdebconf-kde, source only please? (replaced by the debconf-kde source package)
[19:23] <yofel> *shrug* - make the message indicator red then, I always fail to notice the green background with quassel
[19:25] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: no .. ETOOMANYTRAYICONS
[19:25] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: so i completely agree with the pinned tab thing
[19:25] <yofel> ETRAY_ICON_UNNOTICIBLE
[19:25] <mgraesslin> good :-)
[19:25] <yofel> the message is a tray icon anyway
[19:25] <shadeslayer> as for the web app stuff ... im not sure i quite understand the discussion
[19:25] <yofel> *message indicator
[19:26] <shadeslayer> ill go through it again this weekend 
[19:26] <mgraesslin> if I had known that rekonq supports pinned tabs, I would have written pinned tabs from the beginning
[19:26] <shadeslayer> spending a few hours on it
[19:26] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: its recently introduced
[19:26] <mgraesslin> with pinned tabs, it's something like ~100 lines of code in rekonq what I am thinking about
[19:27] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: will rekonq ever work?
[19:27] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: it works! you dont know how to hold it ... erm .. use it :P
[19:27] <mgraesslin> from the impression of that thread I started: no
[19:27] <Quintasan> phononlogger: where is my kubotu in #project-neon?
[19:28] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: uh : <mgraesslin> from the impression of that thread I started: no : in reply to Quintasan?
[19:28] <mgraesslin> yes
[19:29] <shadeslayer> hmm ...
[19:29] <mgraesslin> getting as an external to an discussion and the style of discussion can say a lot about a project
[19:30] <mgraesslin> I mean my idea can be completely stupid and in that case it should be rejected
[19:31] <mgraesslin> but that's not done in the discussion
[19:31] <neversfelde> I totally forgot about the partitionmanager mir
[19:31] <neversfelde> sorry
[19:31] <neversfelde> bug 701617
[19:31] <neversfelde> I saw it is still on the agenda for the meeting
[19:35] <shadeslayer> lol
[19:35] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: seen benjamin's mail?
[19:35] <mgraesslin> yes
[19:35] <shadeslayer> the first line pretty much confirms what you just said
[19:36] <mgraesslin> I don't feel like speaking Chineese any more :-)
[19:36] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:38] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: your last mail explains everything nicely
[19:38] <shadeslayer> im adding a +1 to that
[19:40] <mgraesslin> I need to work on my writing style or let others read mails first ;-)
[19:41] <shadeslayer> hahah  :D
[19:43] <shadeslayer> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704111504576059713528698754.html << also makes for a good read
[19:49] <ScottK> Quintasan: I think rekonq will work fsvo work.  The bigger question is will it ever not be slow.
[20:00] <shadeslayer> ScottK: the even bigger question is ... will kdewebkit be not slow
[20:00] <shadeslayer> because the rendering is all done by kdewebkit
[20:00] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Users don't care why.
[20:01] <shadeslayer> everyone hates users ... ask phononlogger :P
[20:03] <neversfelde> mhh
[20:03] <yofel> yep, users are the one reason software breaks, get rid of them
[20:03] <shadeslayer> yofel++
[20:04] <shadeslayer> they invent new use cases that programmers have to then cover
[20:07] <yofel> hm, I need a kdeutils-dev
[20:07] <yofel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/552945/
[20:08] <shadeslayer> yofel: what are you compiling? :P
[20:08] <yofel> new kdevelop
[20:08] <shadeslayer> ah thought so
[20:08] <yofel> the okteta stuff is in kdeutils not-installed currently
[20:09] <yofel> Riddell: can I add a kdeutils-dev package for those?
[20:13] <Riddell> yofel: is it needed?
[20:14] <yofel> Riddell: kdevelop wan't the okteta libraries
[20:14] <yofel> *wants
[20:14] <Riddell> right I see
[20:14] <Riddell> yofel: aye, go for it
[20:14] <Daskreech> Can someone pastebin a debian/install file for me?
[20:14] <Daskreech> I think that I've somehow screwed mine up
[20:14] <Daskreech> Hi rickspencer3 
[20:15] <Riddell> Daskreech: it's just a list of files
[20:15] <rickspencer3> hi Daskreech
[20:15] <Daskreech> Riddell: I know but mine throws an error everytime I run debuild 
[20:15] <ScottK> yofel: Make sure to make the dependencies tight enough since we have no guarantees of ABI stability for kdeutils (see kopete-cryptography/kdenetworking as an example)
[20:15] <Daskreech> I just want some comparison so I can figure out what stupid thing I did
[20:16] <yofel> ScottK: ok, will do
[20:16] <Riddell> Daskreech: apt-get source kdetoys
[20:16] <ScottK> Daskreech: All of ours are available in bzr at lp:~/[packagename]/kubuntu-members/ubuntu
[20:19] <Daskreech> ScottK: ok I'll peruse
[20:22] <agateau> debfx: I think the mpris2 patch is completely upstream yes,
[20:23] <agateau> debfx: the part about indicate-qt is not,
[20:23] <agateau> debfx: but I have been told it is not needed anymore, will confirm today hopefully
[20:28] <afiestas> yay, running 11.04 :D
[20:29] <shadeslayer> afiestas: kewl :D
[20:29] <debfx> agateau: great, one less patch in our package :)
[20:30] <afiestas> do you plan to pack (or use) oxygen-gtk ?
[20:30] <agateau> debfx: yes, actually conor (the soundmenu guy) is testing a new version of Amarok package which drops libindicate (but add a tiny one-line patch)
[20:32] <Daskreech> ScottK: only thing being I'm mapping files. From etc/{packagename} to etc/{providername} for instance
[20:33] <debfx> agateau: nice, what about 12_appmenu_fix.diff?
[20:34] <ScottK> Daskreech: That will depend on the install path in your package.  It may need to be something like etc/{packagename} debian/tmp/[binarypackage]/etc/{providername}
[20:34] <agateau> debfx: I need to check whether that one has been upstreamed
[20:34] <agateau> debfx: I think it has
[20:35] <Daskreech> ScottK: oh. I had it the other way debian/tmp/package etc/{providername}
[20:36] <Daskreech> Hmm Sure that's how it had worked before
[20:36] <ScottK> It's source destination
[20:36] <debfx> agateau: doesn't seem to be unless it has been fixed in a different way
[20:36] <Daskreech> ScottK: and the source is where it is in the temporary comile right?
[20:37] <Daskreech> so the opposite of what you just said?
[20:37] <ScottK> Daskreech: No.
[20:37] <ScottK> Source is where it exists when dh_install runs.  
[20:37] <Daskreech> Hm mok I'll try map one file and see
[20:38] <ScottK> For a config file that isn't generated that'd usually be in some directory in the source.
[20:38] <agateau> debfx: ok, will push a request then
[20:43] <77CAAK78U> is freenode having issues or my connection?
[20:43] <77CAAK78U> umm that's wierd
[20:43] <Riddell> jjesse: freenode is
[20:44] <yofel> Riddell: ok, okteta is currently in kdesdk and we ship everything except the devel stuff in one 'okteta' package - I would go for a seperate libokteta package for ABI reasons, but should I put okteta and kasten libs together or seperate or one package per library? (seem to be 9 libs in total)
[20:47] <shadeslayer> night all
[20:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ill fix the remaining doc tomorrow
[20:50] <neversfelde> there are a lot of complaints about the strigi not started warning with 4.6, someone knows if there is already a bug report about it?
[20:51] <Riddell> neversfelde: I've not looked at it at all I'm afraid
[20:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'll tidy it up when I get a minute
[20:51] <shadeslayer> sure :)
[20:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: needs a screenshot and that's about it I think
[20:51] <neversfelde> kk
[20:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: well ... needs a UI point as well
[20:51] <shadeslayer> the UI designer
[20:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://qt.nokia.com/images/products/qtcreatorbreakdown.png << screenshot
[20:52] <yofel> neversfelde: I know that one, annoying as hell
[20:52] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that'll do
[20:53] <Riddell> assuming we can steal that
[20:54] <shadeslayer> shouldnt be a issue
[20:55] <shadeslayer> i stole their description :P .... maintains consistency imo
[20:55] <Riddell> yofel: isn't there a kdesdk-dev package?
[20:56] <shadeslayer> huh
[20:56] <yofel> Riddell: there is, currently empty
[20:56] <shadeslayer> screws coming out of the base of my system
[20:56] <shadeslayer> im already missing half of them
[20:57] <Riddell> yofel: hmm, I think there's a .install file missing there
[21:00] <yofel> the kate devel files should be in there from the description, I can add them. Should I put okteta in there too?
[21:00] <Riddell> yofel: yes
[21:01] <Riddell> maybe I failed to add the .install file to bzr or something
[21:01] <yofel> actually, kate in in not-installed, so probably intentionally missing, but someone asked for those yesterday
[21:02] <Riddell> yofel: well I added kdesdk-dev recently because something needs the kate files
[21:02] <Riddell> see 4:4.5.90-0ubuntu1 changelog
[21:02] <Riddell> so they should be removed from the not-installed and added back
[21:03] <yofel> ok, and should I put the okteta libraries int a libokteta4 package? (libokteta4-6 ?)
[21:09] <Riddell> yofel: hmm
[21:09] <Riddell> one philosphy would be to make a separate package per library which means 8 new packages
[21:10] <Riddell> the other side would be to keep them all in the okteta package where they currently are
[21:10] <Riddell> do you know what libraries kdevelop needs exactly?
[21:10] <Riddell> maybe just split out those ones
[21:13] <yofel> kdevelop seems to search for all of them in cmake :/
[21:13] <JontheEchidna> anybody on ubuntu-mir that could unsubscribe them from bug 701669?
[21:14] <phononlogger> Quintasan: idunno
[21:14] <phononlogger> shadeslayer: yes, users are dreadful
[21:15] <yofel> Riddell: it has 3 cmake files though searching for kasten, okteta and oktetakasten, maybe I could batch the libs like that? Or should I just create the new packages?
[21:19] <Riddell> yofel: let's ask debian
[21:20] <Riddell> since our main concern is to keep a small diff to them
[21:38] <Riddell> 21:29 < svuorela> one library in one package
[21:38] <Riddell> 21:29 < svuorela> and a okteta-dev
[21:38] <Riddell> yofel: best go with that then
[21:38] <yofel> Riddell: I would go with svuorelas approach then
[21:38] <yofel> heh
[21:39] <yofel> Riddell: I'll rename kdesdk-dev in kate-dev too then, ok? or do you want to keep that?
[21:39] <Riddell> yofel: kate-dev is good yes
[22:01] <Riddell> agateau: where are you?
[22:01] <Riddell> I have a git question
[22:01] <agateau> madison
[22:01] <agateau> 2nd floor
[22:01] <Riddell> floor?
[22:01] <Riddell> k
[22:59] <agateau> debfx: if I want to propose a merge request for Amarok in natty, which bzr branch should I use?
[23:01] <debfx> agateau: usually lp:~kubuntu-members/amarok/ubuntu but it's not up-to-date at the moment
[23:01] <agateau> debfx: yes, that's what I tried to use
[23:01] <Riddell> propose another merge request to make it up to date :)
[23:02] <agateau> debfx: so what's the best way to go? I have a patch for a bug report, should I simply attach the patch to it?
[23:02] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: with bug 701669 done should I remove libqt-perl and kde3bindings too?
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: yes please
[23:03] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: on remove bugs it's a good idea to say if it's in debian or not (tells me if I have to add a sync blacklist)
[23:03] <debfx> agateau: yes, that's fine with me
[23:03] <agateau> debfx: ok
[23:04] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what about gkdebconf ?
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I tried http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/qvamps but it says no package
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: that's a suggests relation
[23:04] <Riddell> oh it's just a suggets on libqt-perl, that's fine
[23:04] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: right so that means it's not in debian, one more good reason for removal
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> For kde3 removals I've been not proposing anything for removal that hasn't already been removed from debian, but I'll start making note of this in my reports
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> It sounds as if debain will be getting more aggresive in kde3 removals after squeeze is released, though
[23:06] <Riddell> goodbye kde3bindings!
[23:06] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[23:06] <Riddell> still 95 rdepends on kdelibs4c2a
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> 76 reverse-build-depends on kdelibs4-dev
[23:08] <JontheEchidna> 118 for libqt3-mt-dev
[23:09] <agateau> debfx: see bug #693316
[23:12] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: oh, with kalcul you can also get rid of libeduclockwidget0
[23:14] <Riddell> whatever that is
[23:15] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: libeduwidgetclock0 gone
[23:17] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: libdebconf-kde source was recently renamed to debconf-kde source. The former needs source package removal and the latter needs source package promotion
[23:20] <Riddell> I accepted debconf-kde this US morning
[23:20] <rbelem> agateau, which widget should I use to insert the username and combobox inside the QListView?
[23:20] <agateau> rbelem: it's a bit tricky, let me check
[23:20] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: libdebconf-kde gone
[23:21] <rbelem> agateau, thx :-)
[23:24] <agateau> rbelem: KWidgetItemDelegate: http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/classKWidgetItemDelegate.html
[23:24] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: thanks
[23:25] <debfx> agateau: is the libindicate patch still needed?
[23:25] <agateau> debfx: I am waiting for confirmation that it can go
[23:29] <rbelem> agateau, nice :-)
[23:29] <rbelem> agateau, thx, i will take a look on that :-)
[23:30] <agateau> rbelem: great
[23:32] <debfx> Riddell: two more kde3 removal bugs for you: bug #701713 and #701718 :)
[23:34] <Riddell> debfx: voila
[23:35] <debfx> thanks :)
[23:36] <JontheEchidna> kde-icons-noia just recently got removed from debian too
[23:36] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: is that a hint that I should remove it?
[23:38] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: yes please :)
[23:39] <debfx> these are all the ubuntu-only kde3 packages: http://paste.ubuntu.com/553009/
[23:39] <Riddell> done
[23:40] <JontheEchidna> kyamo has a kde4 beta version that I am currently packaging
[23:40] <JontheEchidna> its build system seems to have gotten worse despite moving away from GNU autohell
[23:40] <Riddell> kdewebdev-kde3 exists because of quanta
[23:41] <Riddell> but I think the rest can be removed, some already are
[23:41] <JontheEchidna> kyamo switched to qmake, and instead of having a .desktop file in the source and not installing it, they don't have one at all now
[23:41] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: quanta depends on all of those other ones though :(
[23:42] <JontheEchidna> at some point I think we should just pull the plug on quanta-kde3 and let the kde3 remix packages take care of that
[23:43] <debfx> Riddell: kinstaller can be removed
[23:43] <Riddell> quanta seems to only depend on kdelibs, xlibs and kdewebdev3 bits
[23:44] <Riddell> but maybe now is the time to remove it
[23:44] <Riddell> what's the popcon score like?
[23:44] <Riddell> how about this?
[23:45] <Riddell> for asdf in datakiosk kautoclick kbib kinstaller kiso kleansweep klear kmhtconvert kmysqladmin koverartist; do lp-remove-package.py -u debfx -m "obsolete" ${asdf} -y; done
[23:45] <JontheEchidna> sounds fine to me
[23:46] <Riddell> debfx: ok with you?
[23:47] <debfx> Riddell: yes, sounds good :)
[23:47] <JontheEchidna> now we just have to wait for things to appear here: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/universe.html#removedfromA
[23:49] <JontheEchidna> gah, go ahead and remove kyamo. It's qmake buildsystem doesn't install anything
[23:49] <JontheEchidna> anything with a build system that bad isn't fit for consumption
[23:49] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: ^
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> debfx: btw, how did you compile that list?
[23:51] <debfx> JontheEchidna: using my own hackish python script that downloads and parses the Packages files from debian and ubuntu
[23:52] <JontheEchidna> cool
[23:53] <debfx> so I can loop through all packages and do checks like ", ".join(package.buildDeps()).find("kdelibs4-dev")!=-1 and not sid.package(package.name())
[23:54] <JontheEchidna> I'd be interested to see a list for libqt3-mt-dev, so we can see what we're up against on that front
[23:56] <debfx> JontheEchidna: Ubuntu-only packages?
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> debfx: yeah. it'd be easy enough to run reverse-build-depends on it ;-)
[23:56] <debfx> ah right ^^
[23:57] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: kyamo gone
[23:57] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[23:57] <Riddell> qt3 is still in main, pesky LSB :(
[23:58] <debfx> JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/553021/
[23:58] <JontheEchidna> I wonder if blogging about how the so-called "Standard Base" for Linux depending on unsupported, deprecated software would motivate any change :P
[23:58] <JontheEchidna> debfx: not that bad
[23:59] <JontheEchidna> I want to check if any of them have Qt4 ports we might have missed
[23:59] <JontheEchidna> bsc has one: http://www.beesoft.org/
[23:59] <JontheEchidna> we should make a wiki