[00:04] <Daskreech> sithlord48: anything went boom>
[00:04] <Daskreech> my apologies
[00:04] <Daskreech> kaboom?
[00:04] <sithlord48> Daskreech: in my upgrade?
[00:04] <Daskreech> yes
[00:05] <sithlord48> nothing at all it went very smooth (from kde 4.5.5)
[00:05] <Daskreech> to 4.6 RC?
[00:06] <sithlord48> yes
[00:06] <sithlord48> rc2
[00:07] <Daskreech> That's depressing :(
[00:07] <sithlord48> Daskreech:  i have not really played w/ anything either.
[00:08] <sithlord48> there might be some things broken that i havent used , but quassel , rekonq and plasma desktop are working , smooth tasks widget too
[00:08] <Daskreech> sithlord48: Important things first :)
[00:09] <sithlord48> Daskreech:  yes i can't use the computer with out smooth tasks :P
[00:09] <Daskreech>  I found out that one of the Games under Kpat is broken when you do something a certain way  that used to work before but it's fixed now so should be good for 4.6.0
[00:20] <user1> hi
[00:27] <Daskreech> hi
[00:42] <pixie__> on faacebook you know when you want to upload pix that little box that pops up for it wont pop up for me since i started using kubuntu... do i need to install a package to be able to get that upload box?
[00:42] <James147> pixie__: with what browsers?
[00:42] <pixie__> James147: I am using firefox
[00:43] <James147> pixie__: try some of the others ones (konquror, rekonq, chromium) see if it works for any of them
[00:43] <pixie__> James147: ok
[00:45]  * Daskreech doesn't use Facebook. Is it flash?
[02:07] <shane4ubuntu> pixie__: you may need to install flash, I'm pretty sure that is a flash thing
[03:06] <Efebo_abel> Hi
[03:30] <davide_> ciao
[03:46] <quiescent> what do I need to get skype on Kunbutu 10-10
[04:11] <Kubuntiac> Anyone else not getting any KDE 4.5.5 packages after adding the kubuntu-ppa ppa?
[04:12] <Kubuntiac> I've done apt-add-repository:ppa:kubuntu-ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, but it just says no new packages. I'm on 10.10 and KDE still shows as running 4.5.4 :/
[04:12] <Riddell> apt-add-repository:ppa:kubuntu-ppa isn't right, should be apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa
[04:13] <valorie> Kubuntiac: you might ask in #kubuntu-devel
[04:15] <Kubuntiac> Riddell: yeah, I do that and the PPA shows in Kpackagekit, it says it's already added, yet no new packages...
[04:16] <Kubuntiac> (copied and pasted yours)
[04:16] <Riddell> Kubuntiac: apt-cache policy kdelibs5 ?
[04:18] <Kubuntiac> lol. It says I have KDE 4.5.5... I must have upgraded before and only used sleep (not logout / reboot) since as my apps help menu still says about KDE 4.5.4
[04:18] <Kubuntiac> Thx Riddell!
[04:18] <Kubuntiac> Will reboot and no doubt see 4.5.5 goodness :)
[04:32] <Daskreech> Kubuntiac: You can just log out and back in
[04:34] <arthur> hello
[04:36] <Kubuntiac> Daskreech: Yes, I could. Every couple of months or so I like to do a full shutdown just to keep things running silky smooth :)
[04:36] <Kubuntiac> Speaking of which...
[04:36] <Daskreech> hi arthur. Are you training for a race?
[04:39] <elkng> how can I change resolution in console?
[04:40] <moetunes> elkng:  xrandr -q   will let you know the resolutions available and   xrandr -s 1280x1024   or whatever to set one
[04:45] <elkng> moetunes: in console, I want 80x25
[04:46] <moetunes> elkng:  in a tty? you need to edit /etc/default/grub and do sudo update-grub and reboot for that afaik
[04:48] <elkng> moetunes: thanks
[04:48] <moetunes> np
[04:58] <mr-rich> TVTime plays my old bt878 card no problem, Me TV can't find it ... any help?
[05:00] <moetunes> they use the same kernel drivers afaik - I use me-tv here and it autodetected ok
[05:13] <mr-rich> moetunes: well, I get the error "no dvb devices found" ...
[05:13] <mr-rich> tvtime works just fine ...
[05:14] <moetunes> mr-rich:  I can sggest the #me-tv channel but apart from that ...
[05:16] <mr-rich> 3 ppl in there ... me included :(
[05:23] <moetunes> yes it is slow in there but they can be helpful if you are patient
[05:28] <moetunes> mr-rich:  me-tv uses the xine engine - open up xine and see if it can find the frontend to use
[05:29] <mr-rich> moetunes: checking ...
[05:30] <mr-rich> moetunes: xine sez no plugin found and the same "no dvb devices" ...
[05:31] <mr-rich> moetunes: I also can find nothing /dev about dvb ...
[05:31] <moetunes> mr-rich:  how did you install me-tv? - from the repos?
[05:31] <mr-rich> moetunes: yup ... same with xine ...
[05:32] <moetunes> mr-rich:  here I have a dvb folder in /dev with a frontend fifo
[05:32] <moetunes> so dunno what's up at your end
[05:32] <moetunes> what does tvtime interface with?
[05:33] <mr-rich> moetunes: not sure ... modules, I think ... I can see the card get loaded in dmesg ...
[05:35] <moetunes> mr-rich:  if you can find the interface your card makes it might work symlinking it to /dev/dvb/frontend0
[05:37] <moetunes> and me-tv supports dbv-t/c/s and atsc - what sort is your card?
[05:38] <mr-rich> moetunes: It's a very old bttv card (bt878) (WinTV) ...
[05:39] <mr-rich> from like 2004-5 or so?
[05:41] <moetunes> my winfast card is from 2005
[05:43] <mr-rich> hmmmmm
[05:44] <moetunes> I'm sure somewhere in tvtime it will tell the interface it uses
[06:00] <mr-rich> in /dev/video0 ... that's what I saw in dmesg ...
[06:12] <moetunes> try making a symlink mr-rich
[06:12] <mr-rich> just did ... no luck sofar ..
[06:14] <moetunes> bummer
[06:20] <mr-rich> well, I'll figure this out some more during the snow storm on Wed, maybe ... :)
[06:20] <mr-rich> nite
[06:22] <Bloodhawk> I'm running ubuntu in a KDE environment and Shutdown/Restart are missing from the dropdown menu, how can I add them manually?
[06:23] <Daskreech> Bloodhawk: Change your display manager
[06:24] <Bloodhawk> Daskreech: How would I go about that? I'm rather new to the linux system.
[06:24] <Daskreech> So you installed KUbuntu and then moved to Gnome?
[06:25] <Bloodhawk> No, I installed Ubuntu and moved to KDE
[06:25] <Daskreech> ah ok install KDM
[06:29] <Bloodhawk> Daskreech: apparently KDM was already installed when i looked at the package list, should I be grabbing the gdm functionality for kdm?
[06:30] <Daskreech> no on the terminal you can just sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm and it should ask you which you would like to use
[06:30] <Daskreech> If you want KDE then choose KDM if you want GNOME then GDM
[06:32] <Daskreech> For most purposes they are the same but for some reason which escapes me they won't agree on a way to pass power commands to allow shutdown and so on in a desktop agnostic way
[06:32] <Daskreech> If they just did that it would be fully a matter of choice as to which one you would run
[06:33] <Bloodhawk> alright, switched it over. guessing it just needs a reboot to take effect now :)
[06:37] <elkng> how long it will take to install kubuntu from liveCD?
[06:39] <elkng> I'm waiting for about 1.5 hours allready
[06:45] <Daskreech> elkng: maybe 20 minutes
[06:49] <elkng> Daskreech: mine was 90 munutes
[06:49] <Daskreech> the CD Drive didn't like the CD
[07:14] <elkng> how to remove service from autoloading?
[07:26] <Daskreech> elkng: which service?
[07:29] <elkng> Daskreech: kdm
[07:29] <Daskreech> elkng: that starts the GUI
[07:29] <elkng> Daskreech: I know
[07:29] <Daskreech> ok
[07:30] <scottyr> part
[07:31] <Daskreech> man update-rc.d
[07:55] <ubuntu> hi
[07:56] <ubuntu> Could someone help a noob here please
[07:59] <Daskreech> only if you stay around ubuntnoob
[08:08] <LostThyme> Does anyone know from experiences, if the X-Fi Xtreme Gamer works well in the latest ubuntu/kubuntu?
[08:13] <forcat> ???
[08:13] <forcat> any one here?
[08:14] <Tm_T> yes
[08:14] <Daskreech> What the heck
[08:15] <Daskreech> LostThyme: I have no experience with it but knowing Creative I'd say no it doesn't
[08:16] <LostThyme> Ah.
[08:16] <LostThyme> I'm trying to find a good sounding card that will work well in linux/ubuntu
[08:16] <LostThyme> any suggestion, daskreech?
[08:16] <Daskreech> what are your options?
[08:17] <LostThyme> Something on the cheaper side, that sounds good while playing music and games. That's about it. I don't need the best, top of the line..but I want it to sound good. My current onboard is terrible.
[08:17] <LostThyme> I have a 5.1 logitech speaker system as well
[08:17] <LostThyme> if that matters
[08:19] <Daskreech> LostThyme: which version of the  X-Fi Xtreme Gamer do you have?
[08:19] <LostThyme> Oh, I don't have that at all. I was just thinking of buying one as an upgrade..my problem is, I don't know if it'll be supported, and I don't want to buy something that won't work correctly.
[08:20] <LostThyme> I'm all for other recommendations though :P
[08:21] <jhohn> LostThyme: Have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/
[08:21] <Daskreech> and now I'm being told that it works well with the new Alsa Drivers
[08:22] <LostThyme> Hmmmmmmmmmm..well if that's the case, I may go with it. I've heard it's a good card
[08:22] <Daskreech> jhohn: I don't think that's been up dated in years
[08:23] <LostThyme> I just want to make sure I get the right version -- I swear, it seems creative releases several versions of one card..some work, others don't.  I've run into that in the past.
[08:23] <Daskreech> LostThyme: me too. If you can bump into leinir on IRC and ask him about his
[08:23] <Daskreech> LostThyme: yeah and when they don't work the yare pretty hostile about people  getting them to work
[08:23] <Daskreech> Strange company
[08:24] <LostThyme> Very. Haha. Well, thank you for the help. I'll watch for leinir.
[08:25] <Hedron> hi all, is there a way to prevent a package from updating?
[08:25] <Hedron> I mean using apt
[08:27] <susundberg> why would you want to do that?
[08:28] <Hedron> the last update of xorg is no good with my video card
[08:28] <tsimpson> !pinning | Hedron
[08:28] <Hedron> I whant to downgrade and lock the version
[08:28] <susundberg> Check.
[08:29] <poyntz> updating to kde4.5.95 fixed all my problems =)
[08:29] <poyntz> if you're having problems off a fresh install of kubuntu 10.10 suggest ya do the same..
[08:30] <Hedron> this has nothing to do with kde
[08:31] <Hedron> just xorg package is not working with my intel video the way it should be
[08:31] <Hedron> I get a lot of screen corruption and artefacts since the update
[08:32] <Hedron> the corruption is visible under other programs such as openoffice, so it is not kde related
[08:32] <susundberg> hmm
[08:33] <susundberg> afaik intel drivers have usually worked great with xorg
[08:33] <susundberg> have you searched the database for bugs?
[08:33] <Daskreech> not fully true
[08:33] <Daskreech> they rewrote them about a year and a 1/2 ago which caused lots of breaking
[08:34] <susundberg> .. and now that rewrite is starting to be in ubuntu kernel i guess ..
[08:34] <Daskreech> Oh no that was a year ago
[08:36] <susundberg> ok, anyway, i currently have nvidia latest drivers and the text-console is not working
[08:36] <susundberg> so these are not that good either ..
[08:48] <elkng> where is xorg.conf?
[08:48] <fild0> locate xorg.conf
[08:50] <elkng> I cant find it in /etc/X11
[08:51] <elkng> right now I'm in another system and cant use locate
[08:51] <elkng> just want to copy kubuntu's xorg.conf but cant find it
[08:52] <moetunes> xorg.conf doesn't get made nowadays but will be used if you make it
[08:52] <elkng> ok
[08:52] <moetunes> there'll be some on the net you can copy
[08:53] <poyntz> in kmail how do ya make all ya email accounts go in the local folder?
[09:04] <Daskreech> elkng: xorg.conf doesn't exist anymore
[09:04] <Daskreech> it's all autoconfigured
[09:04] <Daskreech> if you make one and put it in /etc/X11 then it will be read and overide the autoconfig
[09:25] <bigbrovar> Hi guys I just want to know the version of Qt that ships with kde 4.5
[09:26] <Tm_T> bigbrovar: KDE 4.5 doesn't contain Qt itself, do you mean what version it requires?
[09:27] <bigbrovar> Tm_T: yeah something like that. I reported a bug about some Qt app I was using and the developer asked what version of Qt I have running
[09:27] <bigbrovar> Tm_T: I use to think that every release of kde was based on a particular version of Qt
[09:29] <Tm_T> bigbrovar: it's prolly 4.7 then, but you can check your Qt version in any Qt app just by opening the help menu and choosing the "about"
[09:29] <Tm_T> Qt or KDE app
[09:29] <bigbrovar> ok thanks I would do that
[09:30] <bigbrovar> the about in kde apps don't carry the version of Qt.
[09:30] <tsimpson> or use kde4-config --version from a command line
[09:30] <tsimpson> the first line should have the Qt version
[09:30] <moetunes> or try   apt-cache policy qt
[09:31] <tsimpson> qt is not a package
[09:31] <moetunes> ohh
[09:39] <bigbrovar> tsimpson: thanks mate
[09:53] <amichair> is there an ntfs defragger for linux?
[10:02] <tsimpson> amichair: looks like you need to use the windows defrag tools, I can't find anything for linux
[10:06] <amichair> tsimpson: ok. was hoping no to need to move internal disks around servers just for that (downtime and all), but I guess I'll wait till I must and do so.
[10:07] <tsimpson> or just move away from NTFS altogether
[10:13] <alumno> Hello
[10:13] <alumno> can someone help me?
[10:15] <amichair> tsimpson: good point. I'm still clinging on to cross-platform support for some reason (some disks I have do move between OSs every once in a while). Maybe it's time to rethink that...
[10:16] <tsimpson> amichair: there are ext2/3 drivers for windows http://www.fs-driver.org/, so you can still move things about when needed
[10:17] <tsimpson> the only downside is that it doesn't have journaling support
[11:09] <javier_> Hi
[11:09] <javier_> Anyone here?
[11:10] <Tm_T> !hi
[11:11] <javier_> hi
[11:12] <javier_> do you happen to know how to get an usb headset's mic to work?
[11:42] <nimesh> anyone knows how to install mplayer in ubuntu
[11:42] <susundberg> sudo apt-get install mplayer
[12:28] <veluxes> hi...is there any other volume-controll except the alsamixer and the master next to the clock?...i only hear sound, but very quiet, when i turn my "hardware"-volume to max
[12:37] <ubuntu> salut a tous !
[12:41] <Spicemaster> hello how can i setup dns server in ubuntu ?
[12:44] <Space_Man> veluxes: open the volume control and play with the mixer settings, you can also right click the speaker icon and change the master channel
[13:17] <sre-su> Does Quick Access(the one besides KDE Application Launcher in default panel) supports previously-selected-folder view? KDE 4.5.5
[14:03] <bigbrovar> I am using the window manubar widget for kubuntu 10.10 but observed that couple of application take a very long time before the start during which plasmashell freezes completely. I experience this with dragon player and clementine.
[14:03] <bigbrovar> I dont get this problem when I have the window manubar widget disbled.
[14:04] <bigbrovar> is anyone else having similar experience?
[14:16] <insmod> i hate network manager
[14:18] <insmod> i really hate it
[14:44] <BluesKaj> howdy
[15:19] <rtdos> how do i install the gnome desktop (not the full ubuntu package) on kubuntu ?
[15:23] <volodya> rtdos: well, 'apt-get install ubuntu-desktop' is the only way I know. However, it installs a pile of random apps, whcih all become default.
[15:25] <rork> rtdos: `sudo apt-get install gnome`, `sudo apt-get install gnome --no-install-recommends`, `sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends` check the package recommendations to decide which you want.
[15:31] <rtdos> thanks rork
[15:31] <rtdos> thanks volodya
[15:32] <rtdos> rork, i get this error: gnome : Depends: swfdec-mozilla but it is not going to be installed
[15:32] <rtdos> whether or not i use --no-install-recommends
[15:32] <domux_> rtdos: dependancies
[15:33] <rtdos> huh?
[15:33] <domux_> rtdos: you have a problem
[15:33] <rtdos> how do i fix it?
[15:33] <rmrfslash> Anyone else upgrade to 4.5.5 and have their entire desktop flipped upside down, windows all fragmented and text backwards?
[15:34] <rmrfslash> I created an entirely new home directory, so it doesn't appear to be any settings.
[15:34] <rmrfslash> Just completely botched.
[15:34] <rmrfslash> I even installed ubuntu-desktop and the same effect.
[15:34] <domux_> rtdos: try sudo apt-get install swfdec-mozilla
[15:35] <rtdos> what did i just install domux_ ?
[15:36] <rtdos> now i get this message:  gnome : Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (>= 1:2.28+1ubuntu4) but it is not going to be installed
[15:36] <rtdos>          Depends: epiphany-extensions but it is not going to be installed
[15:36] <domux_> rtdos: what you wanted to install if you got this error ?
[15:36] <rtdos> just the gnome desktop, domux_
[15:37] <rtdos> without all the ubuntu extras.
[15:38] <rmrfslash> seems it might be a driver issue or something
[15:38] <rmrfslash> if it's not not isolated to kde
[15:39] <rmrfslash> clearly no one else here can help
[15:39] <rmrfslash> well, no one period... not "no one else"
[15:41] <rork> rmrfslash: I was thinking maybe you could fix it with xrandr but I never used that tool
[15:41] <domux_> rtdos: so i guess yo u tried to do this sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-deskto
[15:42] <domux_> p
[15:43] <rork> rmrfslash: also I was wondering what you mean with "fragmented windows" could you make a !screenshot to satisfy my curiosity?
[15:46] <rtdos> yes, domux_
[15:48] <rmrfslash> rork: sure....
[15:48] <rmrfslash> rork: just imagine that the top of a window frame is on the bottom, the bottom is on the top, right is on the left and left on the right
[15:49] <rmrfslash> rork: oh, and not only is the top on the bottom, it's also backwards
[15:49] <rmrfslash> rork: definitely appears to be some axes issues somewhere
[15:51] <rork> rmrfslash: so basically it's rotated 180 degrees, try `xrandr -o inverted` or `xrandr -o normal` to turn it
[15:52] <rmrfslash> rork: let me try this... but it's a bit worse than that actually because it's not like things are *just* inverted... typing in a terminal/console does not reveal all of the text
[15:52] <rmrfslash> it's all backwards, but half the text is chopped off
[15:52] <rtdos> domux_ i tried "sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment --no-install-recommends" and it seemed to install gnome for that.
[15:53] <rmrfslash> if having no desktop at all is the biggest disaster, this is the second biggest :) Of course, what the user experience is doesn't necessarily correlate with the severity of the issue.
[15:54] <rmrfslash> though I would argue that bugs in ext4 are even bigger than that
[15:54] <rmrfslash> :P
[15:58] <domux_> rtdos: okay good
[16:07] <domux_> rtdos: tell us if you get gnome install errors
[16:09] <rtdos> no errors yet, domux_ will try now to login using gnome desktop.
[16:11] <rmrfslash> rork: it's not just rotated (I tried the xrandr -o inverted)
[16:12] <rmrfslash> rork: that inverts the display and my mouse begins moving the opposite direction. Using print screen actually shows the correct orientation of everything (which suggests even more that this might be a driver issue)
[16:12] <rmrfslash> rork: I have a screen shot that I took w/ my phone... should be decent quality
[16:12] <rmrfslash> I'll throw it up on tinypic
[16:13] <rork> rmrfslash: ok, which graphicscard do you have?
[16:13] <rmrfslash> integrated intel
[16:13] <rmrfslash> it's a laptop... I will fetch this from lspci... hang on
[16:17] <rmrfslash> rork:  http://oi56.tinypic.com/4q261u.jpg
[16:17] <rmrfslash> rork: sweet huh?
[16:18] <supermagic> upside down
[16:18] <rork> rmrfslash: yeah, I found a similar one :) http://img30.imageshack.us/f/pantallazoyk.png
[16:18] <rmrfslash> that's more than just upside down
[16:19] <rork> rmrfslash: http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10342274 mine is from this topic
[16:19] <rmrfslash> almost a perfect match
[16:19] <supermagic> lol
[16:20] <rmrfslash> intel driver (as I predicted)... figures
[16:20] <rmrfslash> what a piece of junk
[16:20] <rmrfslash> Good thing AMD is now releasing open source drivers w/ full 2D/3D acceleration :D
[16:20] <rmrfslash> and firing their CEOs
[16:21] <rmrfslash> So the fix is to use fbdev... awesome
[16:22] <rmrfslash> Intel should just stick to making CPUs
[16:22] <rmrfslash> this is not how I need to spend the first 2 hours of my day
[16:22] <rtdos> domux_ my login menu shows ubuntu instead of gnome even though i selected gnome on the command line. like the other desktops i installed, i can't get an internet connection (it's wireless)
[16:22] <mr-rich> Anyone here have their iPhone 4 working with Aramok?
[16:22] <rtdos> other than that, it worked. and i'm back in my kde desktop no problems.
[16:24] <domux_> rtdos: wow im using kubuntu so i dont remenber all the options but on the top do you see a wifi icon ?
[16:24] <rtdos> no.
[16:25] <domux_> rtdos: maybe the wifi module is not loaded when log on ubuntu
[16:25] <rtdos> i added the network monitor but it's not either seeing my wireless adapter or not seeing my network (or both)
[16:25] <rork> rmrfslash: did switching the driver fix your problem?
[16:25] <rtdos> domux_ is there a way to get the wi-fi module to load up no matter what desktop i choose?
[16:27] <domux_> type a lspci
[16:29] <domux_> and tell me your network controller
[16:31] <rtdos> here is are the results from lspci - http://pastebin.com/YHzUX8u2 - and here is the name of my wireless adapter - wlan0
[16:33] <domux_> rtdos: okay i have to go i'll be back soon keep locked
[16:34] <rtdos> ok i'll be here, domux_
[16:34] <BluesKaj> rtdos, RTL8191SEvA Wireless LAN Controller , pretty standard wifi chip...do you have network manager icon in the panel ?
[16:36] <rtdos> when i am using kubuntu/kde BluesKaj but not when i use another desktop
[16:37] <BluesKaj> rtdos, ??
[16:37] <rmrfslash_> rork: fbdev appears to work. Still no idea how the intel driver botched things up like this.
[16:38] <rtdos> BluesKaj: when i am using the kde desktop, i see a network manager icon, but when i use another desktop such as gnome, lxde, openbox or anyother desktop (other than kde) i do not see the network manager icon.
[16:39] <BluesKaj> setup knetworkmanager in kde and network manager in gnome , perhaps if missing , install it , rtdos
[16:42] <rmrfslash> rmrfslash: http://oi56.tinypic.com/4q261u.jpg
[16:43] <BluesKaj> rtdos, run this in the terminal in gnome , sudo dhclient wlan0
[16:48] <tokeefe> I'll file a bug report, but my troubles appear to have resulted from the latest Intel driver update. Must have been rolled out within the last week. Here's a screenshot of the effect http://oi56.tinypic.com/4q261u.jpg   I have a VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 18) according to lspci/lshw
[16:50] <rtdos> ok blueskaj
[16:51] <rtdos> will it work in other desktops too, blueskaj?
[16:51] <BluesKaj> rtdos, dunno , it might
[16:51] <rtdos> alright be back in a minute, blueskaj
[17:07] <mr-rich> anyone have thier iPhone 4 working with Aramok?
[17:12] <BluesKaj> heh, i don't even have my desktop working with amarok ...it's a mess IMO :)
[17:40] <vhann> Hi, I'm using KDM 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu8 in Kubuntu Lucid Lynx with a Glass theme. I can use it as a XDMCP client perfectly. But it won't work as a XDMCP server.
[17:40] <vhann> I tried with KDM on my Slackware64 13.1 box and both client and server work
[17:41] <vhann> Is someone able to use KDM as an XDMCP server here?
[17:42] <coder2> Hello.
[17:42] <coder2> Could anyone help me with file names
[17:43] <vhann> coder2: What's the question?
[17:43] <coder2> Unicode file names are displayed in wrong characters, at least in Qt apps. And Open Office is not able to open such files at all.
[17:44] <coder2> I can see a similar bug in open office bugtracker since 2007
[17:46] <vhann> coder2: Would the following filename be an example of something you can't open in OpenOffice: "aaéooèèiiàyït.odt" ?
[17:46] <coder2> yes
[17:47] <vhann> coder2: I can save and open this in OpenOffice on Slackware. Let me try on a Ubuntu box
[17:48] <vhann> coder2: Opens fine in my Lucid Lynx Kubuntu box
[17:49] <coder2> The odd thing is: I have 2 systems: ubuntu10.04+kde and kubuntu 9.04. The problem persists only on the first one.
[17:49] <coder2> Yes, 9.04 runs older openoffice
[17:50] <coder2> The problematic file names contains cyrillic letters.
[17:51] <coder2> I do not know what prevents QT apps display such file names.
[17:52] <coder2> BTW file names are displayed wrong on both systems
[17:54] <coder2> Does anyone have an idea how to fix it?
[17:55] <shane4ubuntu> coder2: a shot in the dark here, but could it be that fonts are missing?  I'm not sure what cyrillic letters are, but sounds like you need fonts??
[17:56] <shane4ubuntu> coder2: I'm not sure if QT is using other fonts, I'm not sure
[17:57] <shane4ubuntu> !pm | coder
[17:57] <shane4ubuntu> coder2: ^^
[17:57] <rtdos> BluesKaj - here is the results of the command "sudo dhclient wlan0"   http://pastebin.com/RmfXLtey
[17:58] <coder2> sorry
[17:58] <shane4ubuntu> coder2: no prob, as I stated, it is a shot in the dark and I really don't know, just trying to help brainstorm out an answer.
[18:02] <domux_> rtdos: hey im back
[18:05] <rtdos> hey domux_
[18:05] <coder2> thanks. bye.
[18:06] <BluesKaj> rtdos, do you have the gnome network manager installed?
[18:06] <rtdos> thanks. this is the result of running the 'sudo dhclient wlan0' on the other non-kde desktops - http://pastebin.com/RmfXLtey
[18:06] <rtdos> how can i tell if i have gnome network manager installed ? won't the one for kde work ? or does each desktop require its own?
[18:06] <domux_> rtdos: ok so i've read the last post and i think when you you've thee gnome environment installation you didn't install all components
[18:07] <domux_> rtdos: you've installed*
[18:09] <rtdos> this is the command i used domux_   "sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment --no-install-recommends"
[18:09] <domux_> rtdos: check if you have network-manager installed
[18:09] <rtdos> how?
[18:09] <domux_> console
[18:10] <BluesKaj> yes trichard_ you need the gnome network manager on gnome
[18:10] <yofel> rtdos: apt-cache policy network-manager-gnome
[18:10] <BluesKaj> oops , rtdos
[18:10] <trichard_> heh
[18:10] <domux_> otherwise you need to install it
[18:11] <BluesKaj> sry trichard_ , I mistyped
[18:11] <trichard_> BluesKaj: no problem :)
[18:11] <rtdos> when i typed in console it told me to install this - "sudo apt-get install conserver-client"
[18:12] <domux_> i think you're network driver are already here but you cannot use
[18:12] <domux_> it
[18:12] <BluesKaj> hmm , I had gnome desktop on our laptop with kde and I had to use the network manager defaulted to each
[18:13] <yofel> yep, KDE needs knetworkmanager or the plasma applet and gnome needs nm-applet
[18:13] <yofel> (or maybe there's an indicator for that these days? haven't kept in touch with it)
[18:14] <rtdos> here are the results of the command yofel told me to run - http://pastebin.com/SAwk8hx6
[18:14] <yofel> rtdos: install it
[18:15] <BluesKaj> too bad /etc/network/interfaces doewsn't have an easier way to connect wifi like it does ethernet
[18:15] <domux_> try sudo apt-get install network-manager-gnome
[18:15] <rtdos> yofel, its telling me its already the newest version
[18:15] <domux_> rtdos: try sudo apt-get install network-manager-gnome
[18:16] <BluesKaj> rtdos, then alt+f2 , network-manager-gnome ..it should launch
[18:17] <domux_> or install via synaptic
[18:17] <rtdos> ok. trying it now.
[18:17] <rtdos> does each desktop need to have its own network-manager?
[18:17] <BluesKaj> yes
[18:18] <domux_> BluesKaj: you can install network-manager-gnome on kubuntu it will work
[18:18] <shane4ubuntu> Seems like network and network manager have issues across the boards with *buntu, seems like the questions most often dealt with
[18:19] <BluesKaj> domux_, I don't need it
[18:19] <rtdos> ok for some reason it uninstalled "browser-plugin-gnash" - is that bad?
[18:19] <shane4ubuntu> does wicd solve that issue BluesKaj?  I'm not familiar with what he is trying to do.
[18:19] <yofel> wicd is a network manager replacement - what he needs is the gnome network manager UI - should be enough
[18:20] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: I see, I don't really understand the whole thing, and abandoned network manager years ago, just never have cared much for it, it is complex.
[18:20] <BluesKaj> too many red herrings here ...
[18:21] <domux_> BluesKaj: i know im trying to tell you that you can use the gnome network in kubuntu likewise you can knetwork on ubuntu
[18:22] <domux_> BluesKaj: use*
[18:22]  * shane4ubuntu goes to lunch to eliminate one of the red herrings??.  :)
[18:22] <BluesKaj> network manager is required by each desktop for wifi only , ../etc/network/interfaces when setup for eth0 can handle the ethernet connections for all types of desktops in ubuntu
[18:23] <rtdos> does it matter which one i use for the other desktops, like lxde, xfce4, or openbox?
[18:23] <domux_> lol
[18:23] <yofel> lxde and xfce should work fine with network-manager-gnome
[18:24] <BluesKaj> dunno rtdos , I neber tried to use 4 other desktops ...never recognized the need :)
[18:24] <BluesKaj> neber=never
[18:24] <domux_> rtdos: did you solve your problem before trying to install other desktop
[18:26] <yofel> also, 'gnome-desktop-environment' Is a debian thing I think, the only supported way to install gnome in ubuntu is to install 'ubuntu-desktop' with or without recommends (network-manager-gnome is a recommends though)
[18:26] <yofel> same goes for lubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop
[18:29] <rtdos> domux_ i noticed my problem after installing the other desktops.
[18:30]  * BluesKaj wonders why some ppl need so many diff desktops , except for teaching purposes , perhaps.
[18:30] <BluesKaj> must really clutter up the menus
[18:30] <rtdos> testing. a guy i work with uses openbox because it's so minimalist. i'm not sure how he connects to the network, though. his other machine is straight text only box.
[18:31] <rtdos> being text only, how would he connect to the network (it's a wireless adapter) ?
[18:31] <yofel> well, you can connect to a wireless network with wpa_supplicant and dhclient from the command line, no need for any network manager
[18:31] <shane4ubuntu> BluesKaj: Generally I stick to one desktop, however in the beginning I installed several to learn/see what I liked best.
[18:32] <shane4ubuntu> BluesKaj: does clutter up the menus though
[18:32] <BluesKaj> rtdos, , probly good at configuring /etc/network/interfaces foe wifi rtdos, I've seen a few tutorials
[18:34] <rtdos> i'll be sure and google them, thanks blueskaj. (that's what i'm doing too shane4ubuntu but somehow keep coming back to kde)
[18:35] <Guest91073> hola
[18:35] <shane4ubuntu> rtdos: yes, I stuck to gnome for a long time, just recently ventured into KDE, and am very pleased with it, no more gnome, at least not on the desktop
[18:36] <rtdos> i'll admit that gnome does have some nice features but kde has more 'ooomph' :)
[18:36] <domux_> Guest21960: Hello
[18:36] <rtdos> brb gonna reboot and see if it works.
[18:37] <domux_> ok
[18:37] <yofel> reboot?
[18:37] <yofel> just log out
[18:49] <cosmic303> hiya all. anyone knows why my kubuntu 10.04 would freeze when i unplug my monitor?
[18:49] <cosmic303> and i mean like freeze completely...cant even access via ssh anymore if it happens
[18:53] <domux_> cosmic303: wow
[18:53] <cosmic303> thats what i thought.
[18:54] <cosmic303> id expect kde to freeze, but not the whole thing..kinda confuses me
[18:56] <BluesKaj> hmm, cosmic303 .maybe X daemon keeps searching for something send X signal to , stopx in the terminal
[19:03] <cosmic303> BluesKaj: but i cant access any terminal when it happens..it just completely freezes..no consoles, no ssh..nothing
[19:04] <cosmic303> i can only do a cold reset
[19:04] <mime> hey ppl, my lucid linux habgs when trying to render in 3d, after a minute or two, any idea? i have the recommended drivers installed
[19:04] <mime> hangs
[19:07] <BluesKaj> cosmic303, well stopx before you unplug your monitor
[19:18] <truthseer> hello
[19:33] <nonickname2> hi - are there any known problems with kmix after updating to kde 4.5.5 (maverick, kubuntu-ppa enabled)?
[19:36] <nonickname2> here, it uses ~100% of one (hyperthreaded) core and its memory usage reached more than 1gb (until i killed it)
[19:38] <nonickname2> (i think it worked before the update, not absolutely sure - but i think i'd have noticed something like this...)
[19:43] <nonickname2> (does switching sound backends matter? switched to the vlc backend some days ago and back to xine afterwards)
[19:44] <BluesKaj> xine seems to be ok , haven't tried anything else in a while
[19:44] <James147> nonickname2: first try killing it then restarting it... if that dosent help try resettings its configs (~/.kde/share/config/kmix*)
[19:45] <James147> ^^ if taht still dosent help youcan try changing backends...
[19:46] <nonickname2> backend changing was before that (was curious about the vlc backend)
[19:46] <nonickname2> yesterday i did the update to kde 4.5.5 and iirc the kmix problems did start yesterday
[19:51] <nonickname2> ...starting kmix on the commandline, the same happens - 80% cpu usage, lots of ram used
[19:51] <James147> nonickname2: then try resettings kmixes settings
[19:51] <nonickname2> just renaming the files? tried that already, didn't help
[19:53] <Scunizi> How do you restart the sound system in Kubuntu?
[19:56] <dereine> hi i'm currently trying to setup a small usb sound "card". kmix already sees this new device and it allows me to change the volume already
[19:56] <dereine> sadly there is still no output on this device
[19:58] <dereine> has someone an idea how to debug this issue?
[19:59] <yofel> try to run 'alsamixer' and check if something is muted, if you have maverick install pavucontrol and check if something is muted there too
[20:03] <nonickname2> probably found the problem - 535M big pulseaudio config file (?) in ~/.kde/share/apps/kmix/profiles/ - no idea how this happened...
[20:06] <domux_> Scunizi: try sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart
[20:07] <Scunizi> domux_: thanks.. but kubuntu doesn't use pulseaudio.. it uses phonon
[20:08] <ct529> hi everybody
[20:08] <BluesKaj> Scunizi, phonon uses PA
[20:09] <domux_> Scunizi: wrong kubuntu until 8.04 kubuntu use pulseaudio
[20:10] <yofel> Scunizi: since maverick we use PA, and kill the pulseaudio process
[20:10] <domux_> Scunizi: phono is a multimedia framework
[20:10] <yofel> domux_: that init script doesn't do anything usefull since PA isn't run as a system service by default
[20:11] <domux_> yofel: ok :)
[20:11] <dereine> yofel: already tryed this
[20:11] <Scunizi> my sys is 10.04 not 10.10 so is PA installed ?
[20:12] <domux_> Scunizi: sure !
[20:12] <yofel> Scunizi: by default not, so you'll probably need to restart alsa
[20:12] <yofel> Scunizi: try 'sudo alsactl restart'
[20:13] <Scunizi> yofel: is that alsactl (L) .. if so then I get an "alsactl: Unknown command 'restart'
[20:14] <domux_> yofel: by defaut PA is installed !
[20:14] <yofel> domux_: not on lucid afaik
[20:14] <yofel> (kubuntu)
[20:14] <domux_> yofel: but it use alsa
[20:15] <yofel> yes
[20:15] <yofel> in lucid phonon uses alsa directly, in maverick phonon uses pulseaudio which uses alsa
[20:18] <domux_> yofel: ok
[20:19] <domux_> yofel: so my lucid wasn't  from kubuntu lol
[20:22] <Scunizi> yofel: was that a pipe symbol or an "L" at the end of alsact?
[20:22] <m4v> has anyone noticed that sometimes amarok's contextual menu just stop working? you right click and the menú flickers and disappears. Then I need to restart amarok.
[20:26] <yofel> Scunizi: and L, and if it doesn't work then I'm out of ideas, haven't done this in a long time
[20:27] <cuznt> in linuxAdmin Class @ itt-tech we use fedora RHEL and to go into pseudo"runlevels" you su telinit and using #'s 0-6 can go into various modes. NOW, today i was a dork running RHEL in a virtual shell, forgot which  cli i was in and telinit 1 on my kubuntu, which brought me into the recovery shell
[20:27] <cuznt> why did it do that?
[20:28] <cuznt> i would assume kde does not recognize runlevels or would for that matter understand telinit
[20:29] <g0th> hi
[20:29] <g0th> how can I change the background of a desktop?
[20:30] <g0th> I have kubuntu 10.10 when I right click on the background it says "Configure Page", there I can change the background but it applies to all desktops not to an individual one
[20:31] <BluesKaj> g0th, choose desktop settings
[20:35] <g0th> BluesKaj: where?
[20:40] <BluesKaj> g0th, right click on an open space on the dektop .the dialog should show desktop settings , a wrench icon, at the bottom
[20:41] <g0th> no
[20:41] <g0th> it just shows "configure page"
[20:42] <BluesKaj> ?
[20:45] <g0th> It does not show a desktop settings dialog
[20:46] <g0th> the only "useful" entry is "configure page", there I can select a desktop background
[20:46] <g0th> but it applies to all desktops, my question was how to choose individual backgrouns for each desktop
[20:48] <BluesKaj> hmm, always had diff back grounds for gnome and kde , never encountered that prob...
[20:49] <BluesKaj> something else is wrong with your setup g0 you should get a dialog with several options whenright clicking on the desktop
[20:55] <nonickname2> moved that config file away - kmix works nicely again - (but the entries written into the file when some audio is played might be malformed (not sure...))
[20:59] <Bloodhawk> Is there a command I can type to get my computer hardware specs? or where can I look otherwise to check it? (trying to figure out if my system is capable of running 64-bit)
[21:00] <nonickname2> thanks for now - bye
[21:02] <Whiskeydrop> While testing a new user account I noticed in gdm that my default user is still logged in.  The w command shows the default still logged into pts/7.  How can I get this straightened out?
[21:02] <Whiskeydrop> If I ctrl+alt+F7 I get a term that is frozen.
[21:03] <BluesKaj> Bloodhawk, are you on windows atm ?
[21:05] <domux_> Bloodhawk: to know if you hav hardware 64 bits capable type in console cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "flags" | head -n1 | grep "lm" | wc -l
[21:06] <domux_> Bloodhawk: if you have a 1 you have a 64bits if 0 you dont
[21:07] <BluesKaj> Bloodhawk, or uname -a
[21:08] <domux_> BluesKaj: ;)
[21:12] <Bloodhawk> BluesKaj & domux_, thanks, I got it
[21:14] <cragdor> Hi all
[21:17] <BluesKaj> Bloodhawk, to know for sure , cat /proc/cpuinfo
[21:18] <cragdor> I recently bought a graphics card (4 months ago), NVIDIA GTS250, and kubuntu 10.04 worked fine, i then disupgraded to 10.10, and everything stopped working. I've dissabled nouveau and reinstalled binary driver, but i get an error saying the card is not supported, even though it is acording to nvidia readme, even the PCI id is there. any ideas
[21:18] <cragdor> BluesKaj: Hi its been a while
[21:19] <BluesKaj> hey cragdor, yeah where ya been ?
[21:19] <yofel> hm, I can say that maverick worked fine with my 250GTS while I used it, where did you get the driver from?
[21:20] <cragdor> BlueKaj: Working Working and more work...... Studying from my Red Hat Certified Engineer exam. But Kubuntu 10.10 has fallen appart on my computer
[21:21] <cragdor> BlueKaj: How are you?
[21:21] <BluesKaj> cragdor, drop to a tty , stop service kdm , install nvidia-current , start service kdm , startx
[21:21] <cragdor> BluesKaj: Tried that.... lol
[21:21] <yofel> *install nvidia-current; run nvidia-xconfig (!)
[21:22] <BluesKaj> hehe, well I had to say it :)
[21:22] <cragdor> BlueKaj: Tried that too
[21:22] <cragdor> Even dissabled nouveau, and modesetting
[21:23] <cragdor> Seems like a bug, apparently the binary driver isn't picking up my card, even though its marked as supported
[21:23] <yofel> well, the binary card *did* pick up my 250GTS here, try to purge it, remove the xorg.conf and reinstall the driver
[21:24] <yofel> *binary driver
[21:24] <cragdor> Its an error from NVIDIA module in my kernel log
[21:24] <yofel> can you pastebin that?
[21:24] <BluesKaj> crg did you try booting in with low grahics then installing the rec'd driver in settings/additional drivers ?
[21:24] <cragdor> Nothing wrong with xorg, whats your device PCI ID?
[21:25] <cragdor> Not easily bare with me
[21:25] <yofel> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G92 [GeForce GTS 250] (rev a2)
[21:28] <cragdor> http://pastebin.com/d72nGTG3
[21:30] <cragdor> Please note that this is not my PasteBin but instead someone elses with the same text but different binary driver, paste bin linked them when i pasted mine
[21:32] <cragdor> Yofel, BluesKaj : Please see above
[21:32] <yofel> I never saw that before o.O
[21:33] <cragdor> Yeah, interesting isn't it: I got told in the Ubuntu Channel that i had a old graphics card
[21:33] <cragdor> Lol
[21:36] <BluesKaj> heh cragdor some of those new 200 and 300 series nvidias are posing some baffling probs for ppl ...seems to work if you can boot in low graphical mode and the reset the graphics resolution after installing the recommended driver
[21:37] <cragdor> I booted into recovery mode, so no graphics at all, just good old fashion command line
[21:38] <yofel> ever had the driver from the nvidia site installed?
[21:38] <BluesKaj> did you tried nvidia-current ?
[21:38] <yofel> that would give a different error though :/
[21:38] <cragdor> Yeap, all worked in Ubuntu 10.04
[21:40] <yofel> cragdor: add ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates and try the newer driver there
[21:40] <yofel> maverick has .06 x-updates .29
[21:41] <cragdor> yofel tried that one,
[21:41] <yofel> :S
[21:41] <cragdor> lol
[21:41] <yofel> hey, I'm slowly running out of ideas for a problem that I don't have :P
[21:42] <yofel> just curious, what does nvidia-detector say?
[21:42] <cragdor> Lol, don't laugh but i am currently left to use an Win7 install on the computer that i only have for connecting to work(they done;
[21:42] <cragdor> don't support windows :( )
[21:43] <cragdor> the problem is, I like KDE, i have all my work on it
[21:43] <yofel> did you try a live disk? does that work at least?
[21:43] <yofel> (that would mean nouveau had a chance to work at least)
[21:43] <cragdor> Well nouveau works, all be it very very slow
[21:43] <cragdor> and not full resolution, i have a 1920x1080 scren
[21:46] <BluesKaj> cragdor, once the nouveau driver is installed then you should get dialog after desktop login to install the recommended driver , if not then there's something else corrupting the works
[21:47] <cragdor> I think its a problem with my perticular card, will investigate
[21:47] <yofel> cragdor: checked what nvidia-detector says? or are you on windows?
[21:48] <cragdor> it said none
[21:48] <BluesKaj> I helped a guy, just a few days ago, with the same card as yours and that's how he fixed it. cragdor
[21:49] <yofel> hm... well, if we don't get to anything, you could ask in #ubuntu-beginners too, knowledgeble bunch usually
[21:49] <cragdor> Hmmm
[21:49] <cragdor> Will look into both! Where are you two in the world out of curiousity
[21:50] <cragdor> I'm Cambridge, UK by the way
[21:50] <BluesKaj> Ontario Canada
[21:50] <cragdor> Cool
[21:50] <yofel> Suttgart Germany
[21:50] <yofel> *Stuttgart
[21:52] <cragdor> Argh i like Germany, went to Ottobeuren
[21:53] <cragdor> Never been to Stuttgart
[21:54] <shane4ubuntu> ok, I have been plagued with, "why network manager over wicd?"  so I found this:  http://nthrbldyblg.blogspot.com/2010/03/networkmanager-vs-wicd-vs-wpagui.html  and learned that network manager is perhaps better, so I want to figure out how to setup my box the way I want it with network manager, any network manager experts out there want to help me?
[21:54] <shane4ubuntu> should be simple, I want a static IP address that is always connected. :)  simple
[21:54] <yofel> if it's a wired connection I usually just drop NM and go for /etc/network/interfaces. Is it wireless?
[21:55] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: no it is wired, I tried the interfaces thing, and well, didn't do so well
[21:55] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: here's mine http://paste.ubuntu.com/552974/
[21:56] <BluesKaj> shane4ubuntu, /etc/network/interfaces is the best way to go, http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/
[21:56] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: ok, that seems simple enough, mine is eth0  and ip adress, I can edit, dns-nameservers?  what is that?
[21:56] <yofel> for wired NM always forced DHCP for me for some reason since lucid, didn't do so before that :/
[21:57] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: you probably don't need those, that's the adresses for /etc/resolv.conf if you set them manually
[21:57] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: well, I do use OpenDNS 208.68.222.222 and I do set those manually
[21:57] <shane4ubuntu> is that the same?
[21:57] <yofel> then set it there
[21:59] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: make sure you add eth0 to the auto line at the top, that's what I often forgot to do
[21:59] <BluesKaj> shane4ubuntu, opendns only works if you are in the US , the settings don't seem to apply for international dynamic IPs
[21:59] <yofel> BluesKaj: I think I reached them from here once, didn't try in a while though
[21:59] <shane4ubuntu> BluesKaj: hmm, they have been working for me, I have filtering setup (free account) and it has always worked for me
[22:00] <shane4ubuntu> BluesKaj: Oh, that reminds me I need to re-setup ddclient, that is how I updated the dynamic ip address
[22:01] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: do I have to edit resolv.conf too?  or just set them in the interfaces?
[22:02] <BluesKaj> shane4ubuntu, well good to hear, but google dns works well here
[22:02] <shane4ubuntu> BluesKaj: well, I only use opendns for the filtering thing
[22:03] <shane4ubuntu> otherwise, I wouldn't even monkey with the dns
[22:03] <BluesKaj> dharman, set the nameservers in resolv.conf as well
[22:03] <shane4ubuntu> actually I wouldn't even know about dns. :)
[22:03] <BluesKaj> ioops wron guy dharman
[22:03] <shane4ubuntu> I figured that was for me.
[22:04] <BluesKaj> shane4ubuntu, set the nameservers in resolv.conf as well
[22:04] <yofel> set them too, I'm not exactly sure how resolvconf stuff works
[22:05] <shane4ubuntu> hmm, they are already set, now I would use ifconfig -s eth0 up  correct?
[22:05] <shane4ubuntu> first, I would have to disconnect wicd right?
[22:05] <shane4ubuntu> last time I played with this, I was in a mess for a while, but I think I picked an already occupied ip address.
[22:05] <BluesKaj> shane4ubuntu, set the router IP as a nameserver  too , dunno why , I was advised by actionparsnip to do so...he';s a network guru
[22:06] <Bloodhawk> Is there a way to set up a dual-display permanently? Every time I try to set it up through the 'Nvidia x server settings', it cancels out all my changes after a shutdown or reboot.
[22:06] <BluesKaj> enuff for one day ...take care folks
[22:07] <yofel> the router has his own DNS data too, which is usually good to have as a fallback if the other ones fail
[22:08] <shane4ubuntu> hhmm, I will have to remember to thank him later! was on the phone when he left.
[22:08] <cragdor> Bloodhawk: You can, but you need to do it in xorg.conf, and setup twinview
[22:08] <shane4ubuntu> Bloodhawk: do you have the proprietary driver installed?
[22:09] <cragdor> Yeah the proprietary driver was installed when i did
[22:09] <shane4ubuntu> Bloodhawk: through the Nvidia x server setting thing it should set it up, then you can see the setup and copy it and paste it into an xorg.conf and you are good to go, that is what I'm using
[22:10] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: ok, I'm going to leave it without the router ip as dns for the time being, and keep that in mind in case I have a problem later.
[22:10] <shane4ubuntu> trying to keep it as simple as possible for me. :)
[22:11] <cragdor> I would do the following: Add these to the device section of xorg.conf:
[22:11] <cragdor> Option          "TwinView" "true"
[22:11] <shane4ubuntu> ok, brb, going to disconnect and reconnect through network manager hopefully
[22:11] <Bloodhawk> shane4ubuntu & cragdor: thanks, I'll give it a try.
[22:12] <kaddi> hi, my kubuntu has become awefully slow. It needs 3-5 seconds for a window to open up, when I click on it in the taskbar and X is using 30-60% of CPU at all times.
[22:12] <kaddi> How do I fix that?
[22:12] <cragdor> You can use:  Option         "ConnectedMonitor" "FPD,FPD"    to specifiy which devices are connected
[22:12] <cragdor> and Option          "TwinViewOrientation" "RightOf" to specify where the monitor is in reference to the primary
[22:13] <me1> has anyone had a problem with using k9copy to backup dvd's?  some of the movies i've backed up have problems playing on my standalone tv media player (it does read most iso images great) but the iso's that give me problems on the media player play flawlessly in movie player or vlc.
[22:14] <cragdor> shane4ubuntu:  http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/260.19.29/README/configtwinview.html
[22:23] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: it is completely ignoring my static ip
[22:24] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: can you pastebin your interfaces?
[22:24] <shane4ubuntu> which is quite annoying, I have to have static ip, because something/someone bumbs my Vonage IP and then it disconnects
[22:24] <yofel> use pastebinit
[22:24] <Bloodhawk> shane4ubuntu: is it the OpenGL/GLX Information that I copy over to the xorg.conf?
[22:25] <shane4ubuntu> Bloodhawk: hmm, not sure I looks like an xorg.conf file, if you know what that looks like, if not, give me a minute and I will check it out.
[22:25]  * yofel is back in a few mins
[22:25] <shane4ubuntu> cragdor: what was that link you pasted as I bouned in and out?
[22:26] <Bloodhawk> shane4ubuntu: Where would I look for the file currently in use? I could just compare myself if I could find it XD
[22:26] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: when you get back:  http://pastebin.com/mNjHjFcP
[22:27] <shane4ubuntu> Bloodhawk: ok, here is mine:  http://pastebin.com/Q6S0kzcR
[22:28] <vhann> Hi, I'm sure many here are using Kubuntu Maverick Meerkat. Can someone confirm being able to use KDM as a XDMCP server?
[22:29] <shane4ubuntu> Bloodhawk: ok, in Nvidia X server settings, when you hit save to X configuration File, just choose a location you can write to ie:  /home/username/   then copy that file to /etc/X11/xorg.conf  with sudo and you should be good to go.
[22:30] <shane4ubuntu> cragdor: are you around?  do you have that link you pasted earlier?  I would like to look at it.
[22:31] <Bloodhawk> shane4ubuntu: thanks, I'll give it a try.
[22:31] <shane4ubuntu> Bloodhawk: no prob
[22:32] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: look at line 4, very closely
[22:32] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: eek, that was an oversite.
[22:34] <yofel> as for DNS: I just checked, on my desktop I'm still getting them over DHCP with network-manager, on my server I don't have network-manager installed but resolvconf which takes care of that
[22:34] <yofel> (and breaks easily if you install postfix and don't watch out :S)
[22:34] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: ok, when I disconnect, it reconnects automatically with Auto, and dhcp, how do I get rid of that?
[22:35] <shane4ubuntu> I installed network-manager-kde because I had removed it when I installed wicd
[22:35] <yofel> 'sudo service network-manager stop' and either remove it or disable it permanently in /etc/init/network-manager.conf
[22:35] <yofel> just comment the 'start on' stuff out
[22:36] <yofel> make sure your resolv.conf is still set correctly after disabling NM though
[22:39] <Bloodhawk> shane4ubuntu: Worked like a charm, thank you very much.
[22:40] <sithlord48> JontheEchidna: do you have a place for bugs ?
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> sithlord48: for muon? help -> report bug is best
[22:40] <yofel> sithlord48: if you mean muon bugs they should go to bugs.kde.org
[22:41] <sithlord48> idk if its muon or Qapt. or what that kit but it seams to only happen w/ natty
[22:42] <shane4ubuntu> this is why I hate network manager and all of this and use wicd
[22:42] <shane4ubuntu> am I connected now???
[22:42] <shane4ubuntu> yofel doesn't connect
[22:43] <sithlord48> sorry to hear that shane4ubuntu cause it's ben very good for me since 4.4
[22:43] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: does ifconfig show that eth0 is using the IP?
[22:43] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/552995/
[22:44] <yofel> obviously not :S
[22:44] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: http://pastebin.com/6ARwX5Dg
[22:44] <shane4ubuntu>  
[22:44] <shane4ubuntu> that is my interfaces
[22:45] <yofel> network manager is stopped?
[22:45] <shane4ubuntu> sithlord48: I have always had problems with network manager and setting up static IP, probably user error, but seems difficult.
[22:45] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: yep, I removed it
[22:45] <sithlord48> ok the issue i have w/ muon is that anything i install with it (or anything that uses it to install, like the rekonq, amarok , dialogs taht say dl this) any time i install or remove i have to then do a apt-get install -f  to fix my libc-bin cause its not installed correctly
[22:46] <yofel> nah, I had my problems with NM and static IP on wired connection too, it always force the auto connection with DHCP on my by default
[22:46] <sithlord48> shane4ubuntu: i can't speak for that by forcing my router to give a certian mac a certian ip always
[22:46] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: right, that is what it is doing for me
[22:47] <shane4ubuntu> sithlord48: that is routing around the problem with the router, no pun intended. :)
[22:47] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: does it work if you simply use 'ifup eth0'?
[22:47] <yofel> does it give any error when running ifup?
[22:47] <vhann> Doesn't anybody use XDMCP here?
[22:48] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: let me disconnect and give that a try.
[22:48] <yofel> JontheEchidna, sithlord48: I can confirm that libc6-bin error on natty actually, happened when I tried to install amarok extension stuff earlier
[22:48] <sithlord48> yofel: every time.. apt-get works just fine
[22:49] <yofel> yep, I fixed it with dpkg --configure -a
[22:49] <sithlord48> yofel:  if you install something else it will do it again
[22:49] <shane4ubuntu> ok, am I connected again?
[22:49] <shane4ubuntu> ohh, I guess so.
[22:50] <sithlord48> you never droped shane4ubuntu
[22:50] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: seems that ifconfig eth0 up is broken
[22:50] <yofel> ...
[22:50] <Woodzy> shane4ubuntu are you around?
[22:50] <shane4ubuntu> ok how do I disable wicd?
[22:50] <shane4ubuntu> Woodzy: yep
[22:50] <sithlord48> uninstall it..
[22:51] <shane4ubuntu> sithlord48: that would leave me crippled if I'm unable to connect upon reboot
[22:51] <sithlord48> if your wired you shouln't even need NM or wicd
[22:51] <shane4ubuntu> I'm wired, but I want to set ip address.
[22:51] <sithlord48> it should automagicly work just like it does on a live cd (if you have dhcp at least)
[22:51] <Woodzy> shane4ubuntu i am using wicd like you suggested, but whether or not i use a static ip or dhcp i can't connect when i use dhcp i get a message that says it can't obtain ip address
[22:52] <shane4ubuntu> sithlord48: no, I changed the files.
[22:52] <shane4ubuntu> Woodzy: hmm, that is odd, I never had that problem, if you want dhcp, you can use network manager, as it likes that. :)
[22:53] <Woodzy> sudo apt-get install network-manager ?
[22:53] <shane4ubuntu> brb, going to reboot
[22:53] <shane4ubuntu> Woodzy: yep
[22:53] <sithlord48> shane4ubuntu: gl
[22:53] <shane4ubuntu> if I'm not back in 5 minutes, I'm kicking my cpu around the yard outside out of frustration. :)
[22:54] <sithlord48> JontheEchidna: yofel is this a bug w/ muon or something else ?
[22:54] <yofel> I would blame qapt, since usual apt works fine
[22:54] <sithlord48> yofel: file angist Qapt then is that still bugs.kde?
[22:55] <yofel> should be
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> sithlord48: it's either an APT or dpkg bug
[22:56] <sithlord48> JontheEchidna:  how do u mean? i use apt or dpkg to fix it
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> bug 680328
[22:56] <yofel> not that one again -.-
[22:56] <shane4ubuntu> Foul!  stupid wicd popped back up, after I removed it!
[22:58] <JontheEchidna> at the least, somebody from canonical finally assigned it to the canonical team responsible for that sort fo thing
[22:58] <JontheEchidna> only took them two months
[23:00] <shane4ubuntu> yeah, got it!
[23:00] <shane4ubuntu> thanks yofel
[23:00] <yofel> DNS stuff works too? that's what I had problems with
[23:00] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: so what am I using?  I assume I'm not using network manager
[23:01] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: not 100% sure how to check that.
[23:01] <yofel> try to use any URL and see if it opens ;)
[23:02] <sithlord48> ok cool
[23:02] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: yep, pages are opening fine
[23:02] <yofel> good, then the resolv.conf should be fine
[23:03] <yofel> and what you're using is simply ifup, which is run automatically on boot if there's any configuration in interfaces
[23:03] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: lol, so I'm not even using network manager after all of that?
[23:04] <yofel> nope
[23:04] <shane4ubuntu> doesn't network manager come default with install?
[23:04] <shane4ubuntu> ok, I installed ddclient and got opendns back up and running again too, so dns stuff is working indeed.
[23:04] <yofel> it does, and is the best compromize for wired and wireless, but you don't actually need it
[23:05] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: ok, but for my laptop, I use wireless, another day I will tackle that with network manager
[23:05] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[23:08] <phoenix_firebrd> i use kde 4.6 rc2,  when i click the time widget on the desktop ,calender popus up, when i press the esc key, its not closing, when i press the ?time widget again it goes off. is it bug or this is the way it is meant to work
[23:09] <phoenix_firebrd> i use kde 4.6 rc2,  when i click the time widget on the desktop ,calender popus up, when i press the esc key, its not closing, when i press the time widget again it goes off. is it bug or this is the way it is meant to work
[23:10] <phoenix_firebrd> i feel that it should accept the key input (esc key) and go off. does this thing work the same way in 4.5.4?
[23:11] <shane4ubuntu> phoenix_firebrd: mine is on the panel, and works the same way, 4.5.5 here
[23:12] <phoenix_firebrd> shane4ubuntu: what do you mean by same way?. it does not accept key input??
[23:13] <shane4ubuntu> right, the esc key does nothing
[23:13] <phoenix_firebrd> shane4ubuntu: every other widget accepts key inputs right?
[23:13] <DarkriftX> isnt there a way to tell apt to reinstall a package?
[23:14] <DarkriftX> or to force install even though its installed
[23:14] <shane4ubuntu> phoenix_firebrd: I'm not sure, I'm not really the kde guru, still learning kde stuff.
[23:14] <phoenix_firebrd> DarkriftX: hi
[23:14] <DarkriftX> hi
[23:14] <phoenix_firebrd> shane4ubuntu: thanks for the help bro
[23:15] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: power management and network don't accept ESC here too
[23:15] <phoenix_firebrd> DarkriftX: do you want the user settings to be removed also?
[23:15] <yofel> neither does knotify
[23:15] <shane4ubuntu> DarkriftX: sudo apt-get --reinstall  man page says
[23:15] <DarkriftX> its virtualbox-ose-dkms and my vb stopped working after kernel update. i think it just needs to reinstall it to get the correct module installed for my kernel
[23:15] <shane4ubuntu> DarkriftX: perhaps sudo apt-get install --reinstall package
[23:16] <DarkriftX> ok, cool. thx
[23:16] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ya even in 4.6 rc2 same thing
[23:16] <shane4ubuntu> DarkriftX: no prob
[23:16] <DarkriftX> i checked --help but didnt see it. man and me dont mix well (i can never remember the keyboard commands and get stuck in it)
[23:16] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: shane4ubuntu what do you people think , do we need it to accept key input?
[23:17] <shane4ubuntu> phoenix_firebrd: personally, not for me, never thought about it, but if I click to open it, usually I click to close it.
[23:17] <shane4ubuntu> phoenix_firebrd: now if I hit ctrl-f12 and show all widgets and then hit esc they disappear.
[23:17] <yofel> I doubt it, not much sense for something to accept key input that you can't open with a key combination
[23:18] <phoenix_firebrd> shane4ubuntu: is it ergonomic on the desktop?
[23:18] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: widget do have hot key right?
[23:18] <yofel> if they do it doesn't work here
[23:19] <DarkriftX> is it normal for your system to "collect" kernel versions? i have like 5 listed (normal and recov of each) when i go to grub
[23:19] <yofel> ah, now it worked
[23:19] <shane4ubuntu> DarkriftX: yes, you have to remove them manually, I think they are there for fallback purposes.
[23:20] <yofel> it closes as soon as you focus on something else though (a simple alt+tab closes it)
[23:20] <DarkriftX> ok, cool
[23:20] <phoenix_firebrd> DarkriftX: is the backports enabled?
[23:20] <yofel> DarkriftX: yes, they are kept since for whatever reason a newer kernel might not work, then you still have the old as fallback
[23:21] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: when you click on the digital clock widget on desktop, a calender pops up, try closing that
[23:21] <yofel> alt+f4 closes it :P
[23:22] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: an esc would be much better
[23:22] <yofel> true, I have no idea where to report that though, maybe ask in #kde-devel
[23:24] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: probably we have to file a wish in bugs .kde.org
[23:25] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: can you test your virtual keyboard, mine is very slow
[23:25] <yofel> how do I open it? never used it
[23:25] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: add the widget to your tab
[23:27] <yofel> hm, it takes a second for every key. Seems like it opens a tooltip every time I click on a key or something like that o.O
[23:27] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: same problem. thats a bug
[23:33] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i thinkk its not a bug , they have done it purposly