[01:05] <jfer> just a quick note on the meeting tonight i thought that the sticker order would be something worth adding to meeting agenda
[03:20] <head_victim> jfer: yeah I was going to mention it
[03:21] <head_victim> elky: your posters look GREAT on a1 and a2, got them laminated so we can reuse them.
[03:27] <elky> cool
[03:30] <head_victim> Got an a3 http://spreadubuntu.org/files/Ubuntu-roughcut.png and an a2 http://spreadubuntu.org/files/SFD%20Poster%20v0.4.3.4w_en.png
[03:33] <head_victim> The business cards are getting printed, I have card holders, clipboards (to get sign ups to send a mass email to afterwards with all the group's details), stuff to hang the posters with, blank id tags (just the business card background). anything I"m missing?
[03:44] <blahdeblah> head_victim: Any problems with flooding over your way?
[03:45] <head_victim> I used to live jsut off ashby street which has just gone under water at fairfield road but I'm ok where I am now
[03:45] <head_victim> It's really, really wet.
[03:50] <head_victim> How are you over there?
[03:56] <blahdeblah> No probs here - bayside rarely gets hit with this stuff
[03:57] <blahdeblah> Runs to the ocean before it has time to back up
[03:58] <head_victim> King tide tomorrow, meant to make it higher than 74 floods
[04:01] <blahdeblah> yeah - heard that
[04:02] <blahdeblah> Wish i could get on to my brother - haven't heard from him today.
[04:05] <elky> how far north are the floods at?
[04:06] <elky> I get the feeling that townsville is safe considering i haven't had panicked contact from mum fretting over her aunt & cousins
[04:07] <head_victim> Townsville is pretty safe, my brother is up there
[04:07] <head_victim> It's Rocky down at the moment
[04:31] <blahdeblah> yeah - that's about it
[04:31] <blahdeblah> I just heard from my brother.  I thought he was at work in the CBD and would have to evacuate, but it turns out he stayed home.  Phew!
[04:32] <head_victim> Ah good stuff, safety is the key, property second.
[04:42] <head_victim> blahdeblah: re your linux-aus query raid 10 is what I use at home.
[04:42] <blahdeblah> cool
[04:42] <blahdeblah> What config?
[04:43] <blahdeblah> head_victim: actually, can we move over to #linux-aus for this?
[04:43] <head_victim> lvm
[04:43] <head_victim> Sure
[05:48] <jfer> blahdeblah:just checking. did you get my email?
[05:49] <blahdeblah> jfer: Yep - loud & clear
[05:49] <blahdeblah> Fear not - your stickers are reserved!  :-)
[05:49] <jfer> thanks
[05:50] <jfer> you think that they will arrive before LCA?
[05:50] <blahdeblah> My guess is no, but we can keep hoping...
[05:51] <jfer> oh really...
[05:51] <jfer> how do you plan on getting them to people?
[05:56] <head_victim> Will fit in letters
[10:07] <endomancer> hello everyone
[10:07] <ikt> hello endomancer :)
[10:08] <dns53> hey
[10:09] <sagaci> hi
[10:09] <sagaci> meeting in 50min
[10:10] <endomancer> oh ok, we early?
[10:10] <sagaci> si
[10:11] <elky> yes, the brisbanites have forgotten that they're behind the times i think.
[10:12] <sagaci> brisbians
[10:12] <endomancer> I had forgotten about the time difference too
[10:13] <ikt> when did brisbane get the internet?
[10:14] <dns53> when they managed to get a long enough string and 2 tin cans
[10:14] <ikt> sooo a couple days ago?
[10:14] <elky> sagaci, brisvegans
[10:14] <ikt> they reckon perth will get electricity sometime this year
[10:14] <elky> yeah, the floods wetted the string.
[10:14] <ikt> poor string :(
[10:15] <endomancer> doesn't string stretch when wet?
[10:16] <sagaci> stretchystring does
[10:34] <head_victim> Evening all
[10:36] <endomancer> good evening
[10:42] <bwright> Alright quick question. I am not used to telling X to go away in Ubuntu. Pretty much at boot I want no X and then I want to be able to execute startx from a user.
[10:44] <bwright> So I set CRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quite splash text" in /etc/default/grub
[10:48] <d1b> bwright: use sysv-rc-conf and get a gui :P
[10:48] <d1b> sudo sysv-rc-conf gdm off
[10:48] <d1b> iirc
[10:48] <d1b> (by gui i mean cli)
[10:49] <bwright> But
[10:49] <bwright> my Runlevel is N2
[10:50] <bwright> so
[10:50] <bwright> if I just stop on runlevel [0216]
[10:50] <bwright> Won't that work?
[10:50] <bwright> within gdm.conf
[10:50] <bwright> Anyway
[10:51] <bwright> I am assuiming I can run startx as a user or do I how to chown some X?
[10:51] <d1b> bwright: ????
[10:51] <d1b> well..
[10:51] <d1b> why is gdm starting ...
[10:51] <d1b> if gdm isn't starting you aren't starting to a gui right
[10:51] <bwright> mmm
[10:52] <bwright> Ok I will stick with the GRUB method
[10:52] <bwright> Seems to be neater.
[10:52] <bwright> In terms of X though will startx run ~/.xinitrc as a user
[10:52] <d1b> erh?
[10:52] <bwright> if I am a user on a typical ubuntu system
[10:52] <bwright> And I go startx
[10:53] <d1b> what happens?
[10:53] <bwright> X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.
[10:53] <d1b> really?
[10:53] <d1b>  stop apparmor and try again maybe
[10:54] <bwright> Hmm I am going to try a reboot now
[10:54] <d1b> well they changed stuff with gdm3 iirc
[10:54] <bwright> Gah stupid ubuntu
[10:55] <bwright> Why does it feel the need to fuck with every X file there is?
[10:55] <d1b> do i really need to boot up a vm :P
[10:55] <bwright> So much easier on debian
[10:55] <d1b> so use debian
[10:55] <bwright> Can't
[10:55] <bwright> hardware isn't supported well
[10:55] <d1b> because 
[10:55] <d1b> in lenny or squeeze?
[10:55] <bwright> Both
[10:56] <d1b> um...
[10:56] <d1b> what hardware?
[10:56] <bwright> Well it kinda works
[10:56] <jfer> is the meeting happening tonight?
[10:57] <d1b> i have those stupid things on facebook about meetings
[10:57] <d1b> im going to opt out of the group so that my events listing is actually usable again
[10:57] <bwright> Did I seriosuly just accidently hit a meeting again?
[10:57] <head_victim> bwright: yet
[10:57] <bwright> I always seem to be here when a meeting is on
[10:57] <head_victim> yep*
[10:57] <bwright> By accident 
[10:58] <head_victim> Speaking of which, nearly time for it.
[10:58] <bwright> d1b: Pretty much I am trying to be a cool cat and get my nice xmonad set up
[10:58] <bwright> Like it is on debian :/
[10:58] <head_victim> I think nisshh is absent so I'll stand in unless he magically appears in the next 2 minutes.
[10:58] <d1b> bwright: um...
[10:58] <bwright> On my macbook 5,1 laptop and ya tis being a little bit of a pain
[10:58] <d1b> bwright: what hardware?
[10:58] <d1b> yeah
[10:59] <d1b> and so why doesn't debian word
[10:59] <d1b> work*
[10:59] <d1b> if it doesn't work report bugs
[10:59] <d1b> and if you have to pull in the packages from ubuntu you want.
[10:59] <d1b> it isn't that hard
[10:59] <bwright> Ya ya I just have things I need to code up tonight
[10:59] <bwright> Want to finish some django stuff off
[11:00] <bwright> Anyway I am sure I will figure it out. Time for the meeting isn't it?
[11:00] <head_victim> Indeed
[11:00] <head_victim> #startmeeting
[11:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 05:00. The chair is head_victim.
[11:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[11:00] <d1b> agreed
[11:01] <head_victim> Ok well we'll start with the usual roll call, if you're here and would like your presence noted please say something for the bot to know you're here
[11:01] <d1b> IDEA: have an ical feed for meeting times
[11:01] <bwright> I will log in on kryptos so I don't go down during the meeting.
[11:01] <elky> head_victim, hi
[11:01] <head_victim> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Meetings
[11:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Meetings 
[11:01] <d1b> IDEA: stop spamming facebook events 
[11:01] <d1b> [IDEA] stop spamming facebook events 
[11:01] <head_victim> That's tonight's agenda as always.
[11:01] <MootBot> IDEA received:  stop spamming facebook events  
[11:01] <d1b> [IDEA] have an ical feed for meeting times
[11:01] <MootBot> IDEA received:  have an ical feed for meeting times 
[11:01]  * darkrose is here
[11:02] <head_victim> d1b: well actually as of the next meeting we will be ensuring the website is up to day and that does have an ical feed.
[11:02] <d1b> [IDEA] have the bot support an alternative syntax like this --> idea:
[11:02] <MootBot> IDEA received:  have the bot support an alternative syntax like this --> idea: 
[11:02] <bwright> d1b: I can hax that up lol
[11:02] <bwright> where is Mootbot source anyway?
[11:02] <dns53> who's bot is it?
[11:02] <elky> bwright, wiki has info about it
[11:03] <d1b> link?
[11:03] <elky> !mootbot
[11:03] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot
[11:03] <bwright> elky: Ya found it
[11:03] <ikt> someone is editing the frontpage?
[11:03] <elky> how about we stick to the agenda. from now on?
[11:04] <jfer> sure
[11:04] <head_victim> Was just going to say, I think that's it for roll call.
[11:04] <head_victim> [TOPIC] Update on LCA2011 
[11:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Update on LCA2011  
[11:04] <d1b> [IDEA] use etherpad for the agenda ?
[11:04] <MootBot> IDEA received:  use etherpad for the agenda ? 
[11:04] <head_victim> d1b: the agenda is set by the wiki, which is editable by all
[11:04] <d1b> ok
[11:05] <jfer> ok. who will be attending LCA?
[11:05] <head_victim> As for LCA2011, just want to let people know that as far as it goes we now have posters, promo material to hand out from Canonical, having business cards printed and CDs will be in the swag bags handed out to all attendees.
[11:06] <dns53> i will, i still need to book flights but i'll be there
[11:06] <elky> all *open day* attendees
[11:06] <head_victim> elky: sorry, good point, open day attendees
[11:06] <bwright> Lol the launchpad page doesn't have the code on it! Sweet!
[11:06] <elky> there's little point in them being in delegate bags :P
[11:06] <head_victim> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/LCA2011Brisbane
[11:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/LCA2011Brisbane 
[11:07] <head_victim> Still need some people to fill in volunteer gaps on the day
[11:07] <head_victim> [LINK] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/587/detail/
[11:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/587/detail/ 
[11:07] <jfer> i may be able to do an hour
[11:07] <head_victim> We also still need people to sign up on the loco website where possible.
[11:07] <ikt> Is there any way to acquire this bag if we can't attend? :(
[11:07] <darkrose> also, the location of LCA is now "where the convention centre runs aground"
[11:07] <elky> bwright, try the "code" tab.
[11:08] <head_victim> ikt: it's organised by the LCA people so I don't think so unless you have someone who is attending donate theirs to you.
[11:08] <bwright_> elky: You should as well since the source is linked to an external repo that isn't avaliable :)
[11:08] <bwright_> elky: :P I believe there is a trunk clone that is hosted on launchpad though maybe.
[11:09] <elky> bwright_, then stop derailing the meeting
[11:10] <head_victim> Anyone have any questions, comments or ideas about the plans for LCA?
[11:10] <dns53> anything do yo think you need us to do before we get there? posters etc?
[11:10] <jfer> umm with regards to the posters. what ones will we be using?
[11:11] <head_victim> Ok 2 secs I'll link the ones I already have
[11:11] <dns53> who  is from brisbane that can print stuff for us?
[11:11] <elky> dns53, head_victim already has them printed and laminated
[11:11] <head_victim> [LINK] http://spreadubuntu.org/en/material/poster/poster-theme
[11:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://spreadubuntu.org/en/material/poster/poster-theme 
[11:12] <head_victim> I have that one in A2
[11:12] <head_victim> [LINK] http://spreadubuntu.org/en/content/roughcut
[11:12] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://spreadubuntu.org/en/content/roughcut 
[11:12] <head_victim> That is in A3, was too low quality to go much more
[11:12] <head_victim> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/Artwork#Posters
[11:12] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/Artwork#Posters 
[11:12] <elky> Hm, i could have sword brian did the roughcut one in inkscape...
[11:12] <elky> sworn*
[11:13] <head_victim> I have the Poster elky made up in both A1 and A2 as I'm not sure w hat will work best
[11:13] <head_victim> elky: there was only a png available which I took to inkscape and saved as pdf for the printing people
[11:13] <elky> yeah i see that, but i remember when he made it and im pretty sure he used it to teach himself inkscape.
[11:13] <head_victim> There was a call to the mailing list a while ago for suggestions on other posters to use, if any one has suggestions I would like to know sooner rather than later so they can be printed.
[11:14] <elky> head_victim, i think what you've listed off will be fine. we'll have a finite space to decorate so we'll be fine.
[11:15] <head_victim> elky: indeed, I tried to pick nice, clean ones that were of the new branding or non specific like the roughtcut one
[11:15] <head_victim> There are lots of great posters out there but are with the old theme so wouldn't look great with the new one side by side
[11:17] <head_victim> phlosten and caryb have said they will be trying to organise laptops/netbooks to bring in for people to demo on, so it should be covered 
[11:17] <jfer> has there been anymore decided on a social event?
[11:17] <head_victim> jfer: what it's looking like at the moment is Monday night at the pancake manor but that is open to other suggestions
[11:18] <head_victim> I think early in the week is best so we can know each other passing in the conference halls but drupal conference is on saturday and sunday.
[11:19] <bwright_> d1b: Suprisingly it worked fine 0.o :-)
[11:20] <head_victim> Again it was posted to the mailing list with little to no response so I was going to email the list suggesting it be set to that and just going with it unless people have strong issues with it
[11:20] <head_victim> I don't know of any other major clashes on Monday night
[11:20] <dns53> what days are already taken up by normal dinners? monday is usually good
[11:21] <head_victim> [LINK] https://conf.linux.org.au/programme/schedule
[11:21] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://conf.linux.org.au/programme/schedule 
[11:21] <head_victim> That's the schedule, Wednesday and Thursday are nights with official events
[11:22] <d1b> bwright_: ?
[11:22] <d1b> what are we going about people who like using centos but should be using ubuntu?
[11:23] <head_victim> Ok so is there anything we've missed so far with the LCA plans?
[11:24] <jfer> laptops etc.
[11:24] <head_victim> jfer: I mentioned phlosten and caryb are bringing their's but as far as I can see the more the merrier just in case someone doesn't make it, etc.
[11:25] <jfer> ok
[11:25] <jfer> will we be showcasing unity?
[11:25] <head_victim> jfer: only on the netbooks if they come
[11:25] <bwright_> d1b: Show them how fast apt is
[11:25] <d1b> bwright_: :/
[11:27] <head_victim> Ok well I think we can finish up the LCA as it's taken 30 mins already
[11:27] <head_victim> Moving on
[11:27] <head_victim> [TOPIC] Latest on order for Ubuntu stickers 
[11:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  Latest on order for Ubuntu stickers  
[11:27] <head_victim> jfer: you're up
[11:27] <jfer> ok
[11:28]  * d1b would like a new sticker
[11:28] <jfer> as you may or may not know Paul Gear is organising to get some stickers
[11:30] <head_victim> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2011-January/006908.html
[11:30] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2011-January/006908.html 
[11:30] <d1b> cool
[11:30] <head_victim> jfer: has he mentioned how much they will be?
[11:30] <jfer> he couldn't attend the meeting tonight but he posted on the mailing list about it
[11:31] <jfer> Paul has already placed the order and is hoping to have them before LCA
[11:31] <jfer> therefore they will be at the price as on the canonical store minus the postage
[11:32] <head_victim> jfer: cool, well I guess if anyone interested sends him an email (the link I posted is the email he sent to the list)
[11:32] <jfer> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=718
[11:32] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=718 
[11:33] <jfer> there is a link to the stickers he has ordered
[11:33] <head_victim> jfer: thanks
[11:33] <head_victim> Anything else to add?
[11:33] <jfer> no i don't think so
[11:34] <jfer> next topic?
[11:34] <dns53> see you in person in a few weeks
[11:34] <head_victim> jfer: thanks for that
[11:34] <head_victim> [TOPIC] Raise the issue of meeting time frame to try and improve attendance and involvement.
[11:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  Raise the issue of meeting time frame to try and improve attendance and involvement. 
[11:34] <head_victim> I added this one recently to see what ideas exist to try and improve meeting attendance. I don't think there is going to be the "perfect" time but if we put it out there again we might get a better time.
[11:35] <darkrose> aka, do we adjust the meeting to suit people that keep messing with their clocks for no real reason
[11:35] <jfer> i think that we may get more attendance if we move the meeting time forward
[11:35] <head_victim> Is the meeting time more an issue only during daylight savings or is it just timing in general?
[11:36] <head_victim> The only issue is if we move it too far forward WA resident's can't attend as they'll still be at work. BUT if that's going to improve attendance substantially it might be worth a look
[11:36] <elky> it's currently 22:35 here in sydney. Which means for approximately 55% of the country it's past bedtime for people who need to wake at 6
[11:37] <bwright> 66.1% if you are only considering the working age population.
[11:38] <d1b> it is ok hackers never sleep
[11:38] <head_victim> Ok, would it be useful to do something on the list for this as I'm thinking those that are most affected aren't here to voice their opinions?
[11:38] <jfer> i think the meeting reminder in the mailing list is a good idea but if it was a bit earlier it may help with attendance.
[11:39] <ikt> what is the earliest time possible for the majority of perth users to be on?
[11:39] <bwright> Really it is just going to have to be set to the time when the "majority" can make it
[11:39] <elky> bwright, 11million between nsw/vic compared to about 10million for the other states/territories.
[11:39] <ikt> if we can set a time that the earliest perth people can make, I think that will be a catch all for the majority of people
[11:39] <head_victim> I agree, so I'm all for moving it an hour for daylight savings if that's going to help
[11:40] <head_victim> Well 2000 in NSW in daylight savings is 1700 in WA
[11:40] <ikt> so 2030 EST?
[11:41] <head_victim> ikt: well yeah we can just halve the different during daylight savings if that helps everyone?
[11:41] <jfer> yer
[11:41] <ikt> yep :)
[11:42] <jfer> i wouldn't mind it a bit earlier and i am in qld
[11:42] <head_victim> How long does daylight savings have to go this year?
[11:42] <ikt> but we'll obviously have to take it to the mailing list just to confirm
[11:43] <elky> this is the crappiness of timezones. You need to figure which portion of the population you need to make things difficult for. And im pretty sure 11m is going to have a bigger return than 2m
[11:44] <head_victim> elky: I concur, might make it hard for those in WA but in the end most of the stuff that matters goes to list anyway and it is logged
[11:45] <head_victim> I miss lots of meetings for teams I'm involved in but still if the agenda is organised properly people can have their say on the list prior to the meetings
[11:45] <bwright> #ubuntu-au-city-slickers
[11:45] <head_victim> Is there a "good" way to work out what time/day combination will get the best attendance?
[11:46] <jfer> i think this should be discussed on the mailing list
[11:46] <ikt> We had a poll a while ago and the 7-9pm slot was most popular
[11:47] <head_victim> [IDEA] We can take the issue of timing to the list and trial different times if it seems this might get a better attendance
[11:47] <MootBot> IDEA received:  We can take the issue of timing to the list and trial different times if it seems this might get a better attendance 
[11:47] <head_victim> Do we want to look changing the day entirely or just the time?
[11:48] <elky> the day is traditionally the main reason for doing polls
[11:49] <elky> in that sporty stuff will change rapidly at certain times of year
[11:49] <head_victim> For me it's neither here nor there as I do shiftwork so I can either make it or not based on if I'm working. But I know those who have mon-fri have schedules for weeknights that's all I'm thinking
[11:50] <elky> thursday -> sunday are generally writeoffs anyway. thurs/fri for late night shopping, fri/sat/sun because weekends are for weekending.
[11:51] <head_victim> Yep so leaves Monday - Wednesday.
[11:51] <head_victim> Is Monday a bit of "must sleep to get over weekend night" or was that just me?
[11:51] <bwright> Monday is too close to Sunday and Wednesday is too close to Thursday
[11:52] <bwright> head_victim: Yes.
[11:52] <head_victim> Ok, well, what if we just change the time for now and see if that helps?
[11:52] <bwright> k
[11:53] <head_victim> How much earlier would it make a difference to how many can attend do we think? 1 Hour? 2?
[11:53] <elky> 1 imho
[11:54] <head_victim> Just during daylight savings?
[11:54] <head_victim> Sorry for the questions but if we can nail it down now we may as well give it a shot for the next meeting
[11:54] <ikt> 8:30est or 9:30est ?
[11:56] <head_victim> 8pm Qld, 9pm NSW/VIC, 6pm WA, is that right or have I stuffed up?
[11:56] <jfer> that sounds good to me
[11:59] <bwright> done
[11:59] <head_victim> Ok
[11:59] <head_victim> [IDEA] Move meeting 1 hour forward as a trial to see if it improves attendance
[11:59] <MootBot> IDEA received:  Move meeting 1 hour forward as a trial to see if it improves attendance 
[11:59] <head_victim> [ACTION] head_victim to email the list to advise and seek consultation
[11:59] <MootBot> ACTION received:  head_victim to email the list to advise and seek consultation 
[12:00] <head_victim> We've hit the magical hour mark, is there anything else anyone needs to bring up tonight?
[12:02] <head_victim> Am I the only one left?
[12:02] <jfer> no
[12:02] <jfer> i am still here
[12:02] <head_victim> Just checking I
[12:02] <jfer> just looking at where Pancake Manor is
[12:02] <head_victim> I'm not talking to myself
[12:02] <jfer> keep me posted with the latest on a social event for LCA
[12:02] <jfer> hope to see you there
[12:03] <head_victim> jfer: it will be added to the mailing list, the loco.ubuntu.com and ubuntu.org.au when confirmed
[12:03] <jfer> btw what miniconf will you be attending?
[12:03] <head_victim> Can I bring down the endmeeting hammer?
[12:03] <jfer> yes i think so
[12:03] <head_victim> #endmeeting
[12:03] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 06:03.
[12:03] <head_victim> Thanks one and all for your attendance
[12:04] <bwright> Now get back to haxing
[12:04] <jfer> head_victim:will you be attending LCA or just the open day?
[12:04] <head_victim> jfer: all of it
[12:05] <jfer> ok what miniconf have you decided on?
[12:05] <head_victim> I was going to volunteer but they kinda stuff up the organisation of that (left it too late) so I just booked a normal ticket and will see it all
[12:05] <head_victim> Still waiting on finalised schedules
[12:05] <jfer> ok
[12:05] <jfer> i thought that you had to choose as part of registration
[12:06] <head_victim> Oh that's only to give an idea, not set in stone
[12:06] <bwright> d1b: sudo adduser blarg audio did the trick
[12:06] <jfer> and as far as i know the schedules are pretty well finalised
[12:07] <dns53> i'm looking forward to the mobile mini conf
[12:07] <head_victim> I'm looking at sysadmin and the others I"m not sure
[12:08] <jfer> ok i will probs go to that
[12:09] <jfer> sysadmin that is
[12:09] <head_victim> Might chop and change a little on the other stuff
[12:09] <jfer> i think i will attend most of the programming one
[12:10] <head_victim> I have no programming skills what so ever
[12:10] <jfer> oh ok
[12:10] <jfer> well lots of the stuff is aimed at beginners
[12:11] <head_victim> Yeah, I'm not sure where I'll be, but I'll be there :)
[12:11] <dns53> the tutorials are good
[12:11] <head_victim> Last I looked there were whole miniconfs and tutorials without anything set
[12:11] <d1b> bwright: :P
[12:11] <head_victim> Might have to revisit it to check
[12:12] <dns53> i'm hoping the conference and my accommodation are not under water
[12:12] <bwright> d1b: lol xsetroot -cursor_name sailboat
[12:12] <d1b> ok
[12:13] <head_victim> dns53: they should be ok for now, my in laws are going to loose some soil at the very least
[12:13] <bwright> d1b: It is defined in the X11 header files
[12:13] <bwright> So thought I may as well
[12:13] <jfer> apparently QUT is officially closed
[12:14] <head_victim> The roads are horrendous, I wouldn't want to be driving around in the dark 
[12:14] <jfer> but i think it should be alright by LCA
[12:15] <head_victim> If not there's always mount cootha :D
[12:17] <d1b> bwright: erh
[12:36] <firtvid20> Did the meeting already end??
[12:36] <head_victim> firtvid20: yeah 30 mins ago
[12:36] <firtvid20> Oh crud, missed it like 3 times already
[12:37] <firtvid20> Anyway, anyone know how to fix a broken grub boot loader?
[12:37] <head_victim> I'm writing up a post to the mailing list about it
[12:37] <firtvid20> Ok
[12:37] <head_victim> The meeting that is
[12:38] <firtvid20> Yeah
[12:40] <firtvid20> I installed Maverick over my old 10.04 installation which didn't have wifi drivers and I assumed that it would overwrite the current grub boot loader installed, but somehow it didn't and I get an error, then it goes into grub rescue. I'm a little confused with grub rescue so I just decide to try reinstalling grub via live cd, but it doesn't wanna work. D:
[12:41] <firtvid20> I'm pretty much stuck on the last method on the website.
[12:42] <firtvid20> After that I will have to try rescue or it's wiping my whole drive for me, after I backup.
[12:43] <head_victim> !grub2
[12:43] <head_victim> Sorry but that's all I know
[12:45] <firtvid20> I have a had a look at that link on grub 2. I am really hoping the last method works. I have Windows and Ubuntu (haven't even booted to it yet) installed to different petitions.
[12:45] <firtvid20> Wait a minute, that restore grub link may be useful
[12:48] <firtvid20> Ok, well I. Off to bed now. I will try fix this tomorrow. Bye.
[12:48] <head_victim> Nighit
[13:17] <jfer> see you it is time i slept
[13:51] <DKG779> has anybody noticed with the latest updates that more system resources are being used ?
[13:51] <head_victim> DKG779: not overly, any program in particular?
[13:52] <DKG779> no, not really head_victim, if anything I'd put it down to firefox
[13:53] <head_victim> Ah I only run firefox on a quad core with 10gb ram (no really, that's the only pc here I use it on), this pc I only use chromuim
[13:53] <DKG779> the laptop is absolutely feral to the point I need to do a reinstall, the desk top has actually just gone back to normal
[13:54] <DKG779> 10gb, holy sheet
[13:58] <blahdeblah> DKG779: No matter which web browser you use, on no matter which OS, if you do anything non-trivial you can almost guarantee that the browser is the biggest app on your system.
[13:59] <DKG779> ok, well I only had 2 pages open, text and pictures... no video or audio and it was being a prat
[13:59] <head_victim> DKG779: I'd seriously recommend looking at Lubuntu if you're having a lot of slowness, it works great on this pc
[13:59] <blahdeblah> how much RAM?
[14:00] <blahdeblah> (that Q was for DKG779
[14:00] <blahdeblah> )
[14:00] <blahdeblah> My top 10 apps: http://ubuntu-au.pastebin.com/mDJhMB7y
[14:00] <DKG779> lappy has run ubunty fine for 12 months, but it decided to crash oneday so I reinstalled, and then after updates it turned feral... which is also why it crashed with the .26 kernal... 
[14:01] <DKG779> or kernel I mean
[14:01] <blahdeblah> (BTW, 10th field in my pastebin is the size in KB)
[14:01] <blahdeblah> DKG779: crash -> reinstall?!?!
[14:01] <blahdeblah> That doesn't seem like a good reason to me... ;-)
[14:02] <DKG779> yeah well it wouldn't restart in any scenario... Grub loader dissapeared
[14:02] <DKG779> was a dual boot set up
[14:02] <blahdeblah> Did you try to install Windows?  That would do it...
[14:03] <DKG779> no windows had been on it since 2006
[14:03] <blahdeblah> Grub always disappears when you install Windows.  This is a known, documented limitation
[14:04] <blahdeblah> The solution is to boot from Ubuntu live CD, chroot to your install, and reinstall grub from there.
[14:04] <blahdeblah> (Limitation of Windows' install process, that is...)
[14:04] <DKG779> (01:03:43 AM) blahdeblah: Grub always disappears when you install Windows.  This is a known, documented limitation
[14:04] <DKG779> (01:03:09 AM) DKG779: no windows had been on it since 2006
[14:05] <blahdeblah> But you said it was a dual boot
[14:06] <blahdeblah> DKG779: You mean it was in 2006?
[14:06] <DKG779> ubuntu installed 2010, 2006 was the factory install of winslows
[14:07] <blahdeblah> hmmm...
[14:08] <blahdeblah> Doesn't sound a likely candidate for an unbootable system.
[14:08] <blahdeblah> DKG779: Anyway, if it happens again, come in here on another machine and i would be happy to talk you through fixing it.
[14:08] <DKG779> ok, thanks
[14:09] <blahdeblah> I hate to see people have to reinstall because it won't boot.  99% of the time it's fixable within a few minutes.
[14:12] <DKG779> yeah well it killed me, however I did go into windows and saved the .disk ? ubuntu folder, anychance I can recover my data ?
[14:13] <DKG779> *any chance
[14:22] <blahdeblah> Had you installed Ubuntu on your Windows partition?
[14:32] <sagaci> always miss the meetings
[14:34] <head_victim> sagaci: there's always logs :D
[14:34] <DKG779> blahdeblah:  I tried reinstalling ubuntu over and swapping the disk partition with no joy
[14:35] <blahdeblah> DKG779: I don't understand what you mean
[14:39] <DKG779> after ubuntu crashed, I removed it from windows with the add/remove programs in the control panel after I had copied the .disk folder in ubuntu (from windows) as advised by a friend. reinstalled ubuntu, it booted then I swapped the.disk folder and I couldn't get it to boot again
[14:53] <blahdeblah> ah
[14:54] <blahdeblah> That's not something i've ever tried - i always install on real partitions.
[14:54]  * blahdeblah heads off to bed (about 3 hours too late...)
[14:57] <DKG779> see ya blahdeblah, sleep well