[01:07] <TrickyJ> Bye all :)
[01:07] <TrickyJ> Good night
[02:31] <nigelb> mhall119: still around?
[02:32] <mhall119> morning nigelb 
[02:32] <nigelb> mhall119: *yawn* did you get a chance to look at that merge request?
[02:32] <mhall119> no :(
[02:32] <mhall119> I've been neglecting all my projects this week
[02:32] <mhall119> trying to get caught up on work and home
[02:33] <nigelb> aaah
[02:35] <nigelb> mhall119: do we want a page saying that there isn't any summit happening today?
[02:55] <mhall119> for /summit_name/today sure
[02:55] <mhall119> maybe say something like "There are no sessions scheduled for today" instead of "there is no summit happening today"
[04:18] <head_victim> I'm after a few pointers for a conference our loco is having a stand at.
[04:18] <head_victim> Anyone experienced with that sort of thing around at the moment?
[06:10] <YoBoY> good morning
[09:37] <AlanBell> who sends out the loco team CD stash these days?
[11:07] <czajkowski> AlanBell: you request it via shippit on the website 
[11:16] <AlanBell> Daviey: did the request get done?
[11:17] <AlanBell> Daviey: as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoGettingCds
[11:20] <AlanBell> czajkowski: should I edit that page to point to loco direcotry rather than https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList
[11:21] <czajkowski> AlanBell: can do either or are accurate as the wiki is still used tbh 
[11:23] <AlanBell> ok, will leave it for now as editing the wiki will give me an unhappy error
[11:25] <czajkowski> what kinda unhappy error ?
[11:39] <AlanBell> the error 500
[11:40] <AlanBell> makes me unhappy
[11:41] <HakanS> Anyone here from a loco that works well?
[11:43] <HakanS> That can look at a loco management proposal for our loco?
[12:28] <mhall119> HakanS: the loco-council knows what works and what doesn't, you should send it to them
[14:09] <paultag> HakanS: Hello there
[14:09] <paultag> HakanS: anything I can help with?
[14:09] <paultag> I'm going to be a bit laggy -- something knocked out my internet, so I'm working off my phone modem
[14:15] <head_victim> paultag: question, I am running a stand at a local conference with my loco, so far we have posters, business cards, conf pack b, laptops organised to be there and volunteers. I've never done this before, is there anything I"m missing (CDs will be in the conference bags).
[14:15] <czajkowski> head_victim: not really, just have folks to help you if possible 
[14:16] <czajkowski> remember not everyone is an expert so what you explain to one person may be different from another so hagve folks there to help who cna cater for different levels
[14:16] <czajkowski> and best of luck and take pics :) 
[14:16] <head_victim> czajkowski: I'm trying to convince the other half to tag along to document it all for us
[14:16] <paultag> head_victim: what czajkowski said ;) -- but really, a smile and a hug will really help
[14:16] <paultag> head_victim: people thinkg Linux nerds are mean, so try and be human ;)
[14:17] <paultag> head_victim: that's about it :)
[14:17] <czajkowski> and pictures :D 
[14:17] <head_victim> paultag: cool, just covering bases as best as possible
[14:17] <czajkowski> so you can add them to the team report 
[14:17] <paultag> head_victim: Oh, one thing we always use is a screencast of Ubuntu features and stuff, and play it on loop on the laptop
[14:17] <paultag> head_victim: for sure my man
[14:17] <paultag> czajkowski: +1
[14:17] <head_victim> Yeah, should they be added to the wiki or hosted offsite and linked
[14:18] <paultag> head_victim: are you showing opff lubuntu too?
[14:18] <head_victim> paultag: probably not, I'm relying on others for hardware as I don't have any laptop/netbooks
[14:18] <paultag> head_victim: aye
[14:19] <paultag> czajkowski: how are you today?
[14:19] <czajkowski> paultag: sick
[14:19] <paultag> :(
[14:19]  * paultag hugs czajkowski 
[14:19] <paultag> czajkowski: feel better, eh?
[14:20] <czajkowski> oh yeah that resolved it all :p
[14:20] <paultag> :P
[14:23] <HakanS> Hello paultag.
[14:23] <paultag> HakanS: How are you today?
[14:24] <HakanS> paultag: I'm fine. How about you?
[14:24] <paultag> HakanS: well, thanks for asking
[14:24] <paultag> HakanS: so, you have a loco-council type issue?
[14:24] <HakanS> I have a question about loco management.
[14:25] <paultag> sure
[14:26] <HakanS> We have a discussion in our forum about loco management proposal for our loco.
[14:26] <paultag> How's it going?
[14:27] <czajkowski> HakanS: can you send it t the council ?
[14:28] <czajkowski> please 
[14:28] <czajkowski> we know your loco is trying to sort things out 
[14:28] <HakanS> It´s a rather fair discussion.
[14:29] <HakanS> czajkowski: I will send it to you tomorrow.
[14:30] <paultag> great
[14:30] <czajkowski> HakanS: thats great thank you :)
[14:30] <czajkowski> HakanS: more of us on email that can give you some ideas, and hopefully that will help 
[14:30] <HakanS> I  just want your opinion about this proposal.
[14:31] <czajkowski> ok
[14:33] <HakanS> LoCo-management consists of the Team Contact and Team Leaders from each "working group".
[14:33] <paultag> HakanS: this sounds similar to the way I set up my old LoCo
[14:34] <HakanS> LoCo-management has no authority but that the group assigned this right to a specific question by vote of a LoCo meeting
[14:35] <paultag> HakanS: it might be easier to email us, this is starting to look complex
[14:35] <paultag> I just woke up ( and no coffee ), so I'm a bit slow
[14:35] <paultag> sorry :)
[14:36] <HakanS> Yes, I will email it.
[14:37] <paultag> :)
[14:37] <HakanS> Just one more question.
[14:37] <paultag> HakanS: sure
[14:41] <dholbach> good morning
[14:42] <daker> good morning dholbach 
[14:42] <HakanS> Paultag: The biggest discussion in the loco is about the teams within the loco.
[14:42] <paultag> HakanS: yes, sure
[14:42] <dholbach> hi daker
[14:45] <HakanS> Paultag: What do you say about this: Server admin team, Forum admin team, Web admin team, IRC admin team, mailing list admin team, Marketing team, Support team, Translation team.
[14:45] <HakanS> Paultag. Are they too many?
[14:46] <paultag> HakanS: nope. that sounds fantastic, actually
[14:46] <paultag> HakanS: as long as each can stay active
[14:46] <YoBoY> paultag: +1
[14:47] <paultag> heyya YoBoY 
[14:47] <HakanS> Paultag: I think it´s too much focus on loco administration.
[14:47] <YoBoY> hi paultag :)
[14:47] <paultag> HakanS: that may be true, but that's only 8 people out of the loco
[14:47] <paultag> HakanS: and it spreads out the point of failure
[14:48] <head_victim> I wish our loco had 8 people willing to dedicate that much time to it :)
[14:49] <paultag> :)
[14:50] <head_victim> I'm hoping the face to face will be able to motivate people again (we're having a social event at the conference as well)
[14:52] <leogg> HakanS: I think 8 teams are too much if you're trying to reorganise the loco
[14:52] <YoBoY> we have lot of face to face events, is not enought to motivate people to "work" on the subteams ^^"
[14:52] <paultag> yup :)
[14:52] <HakanS> Paultag: The main objection to this management proposal is about the amount of people in the teams.
[14:52] <paultag> HakanS: how many people are active in your loco?
[14:53] <HakanS> About 20 I think.
[14:53] <YoBoY> HakanS: the teams can share people
[14:55] <HakanS> YoBoy: Yes the can.
[15:00] <HakanS> Some in the loco want to have fewer teams, with more people in each, so that certain persons don´t have too much control.
[15:03] <czajkowski> HakanS: if ye focus less on  control and more in helping it may work out better 
[15:04] <leogg> HakanS: it's not about who has control over what... it's about what can you do for this team to work better
[15:05] <HakanS> That is exactly what I want out of the discussion in our loco.
[15:09] <leogg> HakanS: please do tell us if you need some help with this
[15:10] <leogg> HakanS: running a loco is not an easy task
[15:10] <paultag> god no
[15:10] <paultag> bbl, tim eto meet up with a buddy
[15:10] <paultag> one love
[15:10] <HakanS> I know.
[15:13] <HakanS> We have some "poisonous people" in the loco. What´s the best way to handle them?
[15:14] <HakanS> except to respond to them with facts.
[15:14] <leogg> HakanS: turn enemies into allies
[15:14] <leogg> HakanS: learn how to be a team
[15:16] <leogg> HakanS: you don't need to be friends or like everyone in your loco, but you need to learn how to work together
[15:18] <czajkowski> leogg: +1
[15:20] <HakanS> But how do you handle people who constantly start threads in the forum where they criticize the loco.
[15:22] <YoBoY> they work also for the team ?
[15:22] <czajkowski> HakanS: people will always critise stuf rather than help, either turn a blind eye, or ask them to take part in helping improve things
[15:23] <czajkowski> it's alsoa case of listening to them, to their suggestions, and either pointing out where the issues is or how it may be improved. 
[15:23] <HakanS> When you give them the opportunity to change the things they criticize, they don´t want to.
[15:23] <leogg> HakanS: yes, people must learn to put money where mounth is
[15:23] <YoBoY> if they dont want to help, just ignore them
[15:24] <leogg> YoBoY: +1
[15:24] <leogg> HakanS: whatever you do, don't start an argument with them
[15:24] <HakanS> But it harms the loco.
[15:25] <czajkowski> HakanS: they may disagree with you, that's just a fact, not everyone is gonna agree with things 
[15:25] <czajkowski> you're not agreeing with them and they're not agreeing with you
[15:25] <czajkowski> you need to find a way to work through things
[15:26] <HakanS> The problem is that many people have left the loco because of them.
[15:27] <czajkowski> HakanS: that is unfortunate alright, and maybe they will come back in time
[15:27] <czajkowski> sometimes people don't have time to deal with arguments 
[15:28] <mhall119> good morning
[15:29] <nigelb> hey mhall119 :)
[15:29] <leogg> HakanS: I'm one of those who left ;)
[15:32] <HakanS> leogg: You are still in our launchpad team :)
[15:35] <leogg> HakanS: I was a member of the forums back in 2006, but yes.. now I'm on LP :)
[15:36] <leogg> HakanS: I did some translations also back then
[15:43] <HakanS> leogg: OK. I didn´t know.
[16:19] <TrickyJ> Hi good moning friends :)
[16:52] <dscassel> Huh. ubunut-ca automatically switched from being an open team to a moderated team on Launchpad.
[16:52] <dscassel> When I tried to change it back, I got this error: "The team subscription policy cannot be Open Team because one or more if its super teams are not open."
[16:52] <dscassel> Is this a launchpad change, or did ~locoteams switch recently?
[17:20] <locodir-user> hi i just downloaded ubuntu but i am unable to get my internet working please some one help me to fix it
[17:21] <daker> locodir-user,  first you can change you nick by typing :  /nick yournick
[17:22] <daker> second, if you want to get support you should join #ubuntu
[17:22] <rahulbest> where it is
[17:22] <rahulbest> ?
[17:23] <daker> rahulbest, just type : /join #ubuntu
[17:23] <daker> then ask your questions there
[17:23] <rahulbest> ya ok thank you very much
[17:24] <daker> rahulbest, you are welcome ツ
[19:05] <nigelb> mhall119: for the page that says no sesions are sceduled for today, how do you want me to do about it
[19:05] <nigelb> do a check before the render_to_response function and return a different value based on that?
[19:16] <mhall119> yeah, that would probably be the easiest way
[19:18] <mhall119> just get a count of Slots for that summit on that day
[19:18] <mhall119> if the count is > 0, then display the schedule, otherwire render_to_response a different template
[19:21] <nigelb> wokay :)
[19:56] <yonij> Hi....I have a techfest in my university and would be glad to share ubuntu CD's with those ppl who come 4 it....would some1 help me out as to what exactly i should do....the expected croud would be 1 or 2 thousand....so I thou why not use it to spread sm source..pls help
[20:08] <mhall119> yonij: ask your loco team if they have some
[20:09] <mhall119> if you'll have a booth there, you might be able to get a conference pack
[20:10] <yonij> actually am from india...and frm the looks of it there are only 3 ...and none of them near me :(
[20:11] <yonij> something like 3 - 4 standard pac without the server and kubuntu distros would b just ideal..
[20:30] <dscassel> yonij: I wouldn't try to get existing loco team people to do it for you (although you can ask for help).
[20:31] <dscassel> Just let them know what you're doing and see if they can ship you CDs. They might be able to have a conference pack shipped to you directly.
[20:31] <yonij> oh sweet....how exactly should I approch them...the regular shipit id or is there someother id ?
[20:35] <yonij> dscassel: just a mail with the fest details should be fine I suppose , I could include the brochure too....but am not sure which id to correspond with
[20:36] <nigelb> there is a special request form on shipit website
[20:36] <mhall119> yonij: nigelb should be able to get you in touch with the India loco
[20:36] <mhall119> speak of the...
[20:36] <nigelb> mhall119: ;)
[20:37] <yonij> mhall119: ya..we met :) ...thnx
[20:39] <nigelb> mhall119: I did some hack to get the schedule page report a none found thing
[20:40] <nigelb> will push once complere ;)
[20:45] <mhall119> nigelb: just do it at the top of the by_date view
[20:46] <nigelb> mhall119: I lied, I just pushed the bare logic.  The template I haven't dont yet.  Can you take a look?
[20:46] <mhall119> link?
[20:47] <nigelb> https://code.launchpad.net/~nigelbabu/summit/fix-today
[20:50] <nigelb> s/dont/done
[20:57] <mhall119> nigelb: I'd rather have render.py return the 404, and have the by_date view decide whether is should call render.py or just respond with a static template
[20:57] <nigelb> mhall119: hrm, ok
[21:36] <nigelb> mhall119: that way actually ends up being more complicated right?
[21:36] <nigelb> becaue now I'd have to do complicated checking inside the view function
[21:38] <mhall119> it's not that complicated
[21:40] <mhall119> if Slots.objects.filter(summit=summit, start__lte=today, end__gte=today).count() > 0:
[21:40] <mhall119> then do the Schedule
[21:40] <mhall119> otherwise render_to_response('nothing_scheduled.html')
[21:41] <mhall119> that's the gist of it
[21:41] <daker> mhall119, which version of django we are using on loco.u.c ?
[21:41] <nigelb> oh
[21:41] <mhall119> daker: 1.1.x
[21:46] <nigelb> mhall119: right, sounds simple when you say it :)
[21:51] <cjohnston> howdy
[21:52] <nigelb> hey cjohnston 
[22:35] <daker> mhall119, cjohnston i am writing a small cms app, so pls can you check what wrong with this http://pastebin.com/nW2bktji
[22:35] <daker> the urls function don't take effect