[00:04] evening all [00:05] Isn't it really early morning in the UK by now? [00:05] lol well if u want to be precise 12:07am all [00:05] heh [00:06] *shrug* I'm on the other side of the planet, so for me it's not even time to go home from work yet :( [00:06] yes, very early in the morning here :( [00:06] lol unlucky bud how long u got left [00:06] god u been on here all day screen [00:07] just an hour... figure I'll spend it on irc trying to sort out the same single, stupid, issue that I've been stumbling on for the last few days... [00:07] sm1773r: yeah, I should be in bed! [00:07] but ur gripped by the intence convo on irc [00:08] nah, working, but enjoying the distraction of irc :) [00:08] its been a long distraction lol [00:09] sm1773r: I keep 1/2 and eye on irc whilst working.. [00:09] err 1/2 an eye [00:09] lol [00:20] MooDoo: still up? [00:33] Hello [00:37] hi === shannon is now known as cinex [00:39] Hey cinex [00:40] whats new? [00:40] Just after some help, but it seems dead in here >.> [00:40] what do u need to know? [00:40] * screen-x is alsmost awake [00:41] If there was a way to install ubuntu from a NTFS external hardrive [00:41] i think so [00:41] you can install it from a usb drive [00:41] or use wubi from windows [00:41] I know, but it needs FAT32, I think [00:41] hmm [00:42] or partition the external hdd, have an ubuntu installer partition, and a separate ntfs partition for data [00:42] Ah, I never thought of that! I'll give that a go, screen-x, thank you [00:43] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1452130 [00:44] beats me [00:44] * cinex doesnt have anything windows anymore [00:44] Humm, well thanks anyway, i'll try partitioning it as FAT32 and see if that works... [00:44] do u not have the hardwear to burn a cd? [00:45] I used to have ubuntu, but I brought a new laptop and was so busy with college work etc I never got round to re-installing it [00:45] I do, but no discs [00:45] or perhaps, virtually mount the image inside windows and use the install it inside windows option ? [00:45] i dont know the name of it. but you can run the installer as a windows app [00:46] wubi [00:46] wubi [00:46] ^5 [00:46] I'll try both ^-^ [00:46] if you plan on running it permanently you should either get a usb drive or rewriteable disk [00:47] it has a fairly quick update cycle [00:48] Exactly the reason I wanted to use my external hardrive.... [00:49] the thumbnail would be better in my mind. then u can use it like a key to decrypt all your stuff too :) [00:50] Sorry? [00:50] cinex: do you mean usb stick/thumb drive? [00:51] lol, thumbnail [00:51] yeah i meant thumb drive [00:52] I have a laptop external hardrive, it's basically a USB stick with 320gb of storage xD [00:52] push it in, and linux can mount it, get the key, decrypt everything then unmount it. then when you pull it out. re-encrypt everything [00:52] Yea [00:53] it shocks me how easy that is to set up. and how the government can't be bothered [00:54] What do you mean? Setting up ubuntu? [00:54] configuring it. [00:54] Ah, well they'd rather buy windows and watch it burn and die >.> [00:54] in this case, each drive has a unique id. you can get linux to execute commands when it sees that number. [00:55] Right... [00:55] ie, when you put a thumdrive in [00:55] Yea... [00:55] cinex: sounds like you're on a udev high ;-) [00:55] (this is kind of new to me >.<) [00:56] yeah. my father in law wants a cctv server. so i was planning it out. I would have a 'key' to switch on the indoor cameras eh [00:56] so u could easily turn them on before you went out. [00:57] cinex: you could do it by tracking the bluetooth/wifi addresses of the family phones.. [00:58] thats interesting [00:58] cinex: are you going to use zone minder? [00:58] i was looking at motion [00:58] !info motion [00:58] motion (source: motion): V4L capture program supporting motion detection. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.2.12-2 (maverick), package size 284 kB, installed size 868 kB [00:58] hmm have a look at zone minder :) [00:58] it has all the options the $1000 cameras have [00:58] i will [01:05] the only real problem is that to get a wifi/network camera means having all those functions built into the camera [01:06] I don't know how secure it is to have the whole setup outside ready to be stolen. it would possibly have images all dateed and timestamped of them leaving the house. let them predict when the house will be empty [01:06] cinex: outside? [01:06] with a central server it could all be encrypted. so if it did get stolen then there would be no useful information on it [01:06] a camera pointing at the car kind of thing [01:06] which would always be on. [01:07] cinex: yeah, centralised is the way to go. [01:07] Could store the most recent data off site (depending on how much bandwidth is available..) [01:08] they have ftp servers built in. [01:08] which cameras are you looking at? [01:08] webservers built in. they can link up 16 or so cameras together so you can remote view them all [01:08] ip cameras [01:09] any models in particular? [01:09] I'm interested because I'd like some, but cant afford axis! [01:09] no. there is a panasonic (I think) that is reasonably cheap. [01:09] I'm in canada so the prices might be higher over there (always are) [01:11] http://www.ipcamerasupply.com/panasonic-bl-c140a [01:11] these also seem to be quite cheap http://www.edimax.co.uk/en/produce_list.php?pl1_id=8&pl2_id= [01:11] $35! awesome [01:12] oh, thats the warranty [01:12] * screen-x resizes browser [01:12] with tax that would be around $200 which is about 140 - 160 quid [01:13] Thats not bad for one that will withstand some weather [01:13] heat and motion detectors [01:21] cinex: so did you used to live in the UK, then move over to Canada? [01:22] yeah. moved here 4 months ago [01:22] How are you finding the transition? [01:23] its good. [01:23] * screen-x is nosy ._. [01:23] I have a good job already. its temporary at the monment. but they are looking to actually hire people. so i get a pyarise after 3 months. taken on at six. [01:23] will be on like 15 pound an hour in 12 months lol [01:23] sounds good :) [01:24] beats 5.80 and a company that treats you like crap [01:24] are you near plenty of lakes and mountains for days off? [01:24] im on , what, 6 pounds and hour, and i feel twice as rich [01:25] god no. I live on lake ontario, overpupulated and full of smog [01:25] really bad pulution. [01:25] :( shame [01:26] i will move out of the city eventually [01:26] something like 60% of all candians live around this lake [01:26] I may have to move up to London, which wont be good for the lungs! [01:27] oh no. 20% of canadas population and 53% of onatarios [01:27] move to canada, its awesome [01:27] So what made you pick canada when wnating to escape the UK? [01:27] upto London? [01:28] hamitron: London is "up" from everywhere ;-) [01:28] my wife is candian, (met her online) and nowhere is as bad as the uk lol [01:28] haha [01:28] sure ;/ [01:29] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HamiltonOntarioSkylineC.JPG [01:30] you can see my apartment building on there [01:30] nice and green [01:30] is there much sailing on the lake? [01:30] in the summer yeah [01:31] its massive [01:31] has waves and a beach and everything [01:31] not big enough to surf though? [01:32] NOOO [01:32] fraid not [01:33] heh, cant have everything ;-) [01:33] people charge into it on new years day i think [01:33] polar run [01:34] polar plunge [01:34] polar something === PaulGit_ is now known as PaulGit [06:32] Hello, good morning is anyone awake? [06:32] I have a question my internet stopped working on ubuntu 10.10 i wanted to have get some ideas about how to solve it please [06:33] I'm about [06:33] Though I am technically fixing, er, someone else's networking not working :) [06:35] well its a wired ethernet cable [06:36] the cable has worked for 6 years and now all of a sudden its not working i am hoping its not the network card but dunno how to test this [06:36] when you say 'its not working', what exactly is happening? [06:36] i have no internet with the ethernet cable plugged in [06:37] How comfortable are you in the terminal? [06:37] i can see it says disconnected when i hoover over the network symbol [06:37] ahh [06:37] on ubuntu [06:37] comfortable enough i suppose [06:37] Ah, handy. I'm not very comfortable out of it :) [06:37] Just a quick check - has this problem survived a reboot? [06:37] i havent checked that yet let me check that first [06:38] if it's easy, that's a way to restart everything I'm about to have you test :) [06:38] if you'd rather not reboot, it's not really necessary, [06:39] though I'm about to be tied up for ~5-10 mins, so perhaps it's something to do in the meantime... [06:40] Hmz it works again [06:40] no clue why it stopped working then [06:41] thanks for your help :) [06:42] fujisan: Ah, that's the problem with the brute-force reboot way I suppose. [06:42] you don't find out which individual part broke [06:42] generally, it's network-manager :) [06:43] oh ok ty [06:44] yeah i wanted to reboot than the reboot didnt work and i paniced too soon i guess [06:46] oh btw what are the current recommended specifications for running Ubuntu where can i find this? [06:47] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements << according to this site recommended and minimum specs are the same? [06:47] fujisan: it's quite possible [06:47] i dont get what they mean by recommended minimum [06:47] well, it will work on systems substantially less powerful than the recommended minimum [06:48] it'll just take a bit of fiddling. the reccomended minimum is what you need to get the sort of performance most people expect without having to fiddle [06:48] i have a 2Ghz cpu here 2 gb of ram and enough diskspace but still Ubuntu 10.10 does run a tad slower than previous versions [06:48] nautilus is really slow on this pc [06:48] hmmm, does it do anything in particular slower, or is it just generally slower? [06:49] just whenever i try to open a folder my hardware makes a lot of noise [06:49] hmm, might be worth running disk diagnostics. Are you running any other OSs? [06:49] harddrive* [06:49] ah, if there's a bunch of hdd noise, it sounds like the hdd is at fault. probably worth looking into a new one. And taking a backup if you don't already :) [06:49] actually i am running ubuntu under wubi now and want to reformat the PC and make it Ubuntu only [06:50] (I don't mean to make you panic, I just like to have spares and backups knocking around) [06:50] BigRedS: could be the HDD is 6 years old [06:50] almost 7 [06:50] does the Windows install also do the hdd noises and slowness when accessing files? [06:50] mmm, 7 years is a reasonable age for a hard drive. several do last longer, but many fail before then, too. [06:51] but really i abused the hell out of this PC and had the psu replaced 3x already [06:51] i paid around 80 euros for a decent psu so i can use it a bit longer [06:51] but i really want a netbook for Ubuntu [06:54] mmm, I'm currently deciding between a new laptop and a new netbook [06:54] but there's nothing really wrong with my current laptop, it's just a bit old [06:55] yeah i really want to stop using this PC it just uses too much power [06:56] and the CRT monitor alone weighs a ton [06:57] so whats the quickest way to format the PC just use an installer CD and then let the installer reformat right? [06:58] fujisan: yeah, pretty much [06:58] make sure you've put any data you want to keep somewhere safe first [06:58] oh ok [06:58] which can be a separate partition on the same drive, if you want, but that does require some faffing. If the drive's making horrible noises, though, I'd look at replacing it first, then you can copy the data off the current one onto the new one [06:59] i have a newer drive already put in [06:59] the older a Maxtor i have suspected it's dying for a while [06:59] Ahhh, I see [07:00] the newer one is Western Digital and it's only 3 years old [07:01] ok thanks for your help :) i am going to safe some files now [07:01] bu bye === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [08:01] Morning [08:01] yet another morning where I get to the office and there is no power [08:02] stupid sothern electric [08:06] Sounds the same as my old place, sub station kept blowing a fuse [08:12] diplo: Thats what sec said [08:40] daubers, we got SEC to supply us with a HUGE generator and wired us in and made them fix the problem in the end as it had happened so many times [08:41] diplo: heh, we should try that one [08:53] Morning all [08:54] morning [08:54] hello [08:55] time to bite the bullet and finally upgrade the main latop to 10.10 [09:00] I found 10.10 one of the less confusing upgrades [09:00] I think all that changed was my default browser, which was easy enough to notice and revert [09:03] oops "n unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade: [09:03] E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be [09:03] caused by held packages" [09:29] Woot! Powers back [09:31] * daubers fires the various virtual machines back up [09:31] Thats what happens when you get rid of the kyrptonite [09:36] yeah, borked package nuked, upgrade progressing :) [09:38] morning [09:39] ok, have set up new mail server on a temp ip address. I can send mail out, but how can I test if mail can be recieved? jon@ip.add.re.ss ?? [09:41] Hi everybody! [09:46] j0nr: Pretty much [09:49] whats the command to eject a dvd drive? [09:51] gran: eject [09:51] genius :P [09:51] ty [09:52] No probs :) [09:52] its not binding the eject button on my laptop to eject the dvd [09:55] Anyone here run a HP ProBook at all ? [09:59] Reason for asking is whilst running 10.10 ( not tried any other Linux distro ) the fans are always kicking in, for some reason I had decided to leave the Win7 on there which was odd as I have used Linux exclusively now for over a year, and this doesn't happen under Win7.. any thoughts or advice would be appreciated on a fix [09:59] Already tried changing cpu freq to see if that would keep it off more [10:00] From little I've found it seems to be a ACPI issue, but I can't find a fix or any good suggestions so far, it could be my google foo sucks this week [10:14] morning :) [10:16] hi screen-x [10:16] Hey dutchie, how much holiday do you have left? [10:18] screen-x: 2.5 hours [10:18] really should be packing [10:18] So your back to uni today? [10:18] yep [10:18] looking forward to it? [10:18] of course [10:18] :) [10:21] hey guys [10:21] anyone recommend a server that takes the same drive caddies as a dell 2950, but 1U instead of 2U [10:22] morning andylockran [10:22] morning [10:23] I don't know dell's range, but most server vendors do 1u boxes with 2.5" or 3.5" disk options [10:23] can ~8 2.5" disks in a 1u box, but they are still really expensive :( [10:24] I started playing kvm/qemu and libvirt last night [10:24] got qemu/kvm working, but libvirt/virsh was a mystery [10:24] andylockran, the 1950 ? [10:25] We used to run 2950's and 1950's [10:25] diplo: thanks [10:25] that kinda looks obvious now [10:25] daubers: do you a libvert based kvm manager? [10:26] *libvirt [10:29] kvm is awesome [10:30] directhex: I'm sure it is... do you know of anything that needs to be done to a clean 10.04 install, to get libvirt based kvm management tools to work? [10:31] screen-x, add your user to libvirtd group and log out/in? [10:31] directhex: yep, done that [10:36] screen-x: what happens when you startup the GUI? [10:37] danfish: I don't have any GUI stuff on this box at the moment. If I run qemu-system-x86_64 I can start a vm, but If I run virsh start guest, it fails. [10:38] looks similar to bug 581934 [10:38] Launchpad bug 581934 in virt-manager (Ubuntu) "libvirtError: monitor socket did not show up.: Connection refused" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/581934 [10:58] screen-x: Yup [10:59] daubers: do you remember having to jump through any hoops to get it working? [10:59] screen-x: I do management using virt-manager through ssh [10:59] screen-x: Just had to muck about with ssh keys [10:59] screen-x: I am in the process of building a virtual machine host... so might hit some again shortly [11:01] screen-x: My virt-manager command line for ssh management is virt-manager -c qemu+ssh://root@192.168.119.252/system [11:01] then I have root access with ssh keys [11:02] hmm, I can get the ssh bits to work, when I connected I get a list of non-running VMs [11:02] attempting to start a vm ends with libvirtError: monitor socket did not show up.: Connection refused [11:02] screen-x, are you on amd or intel? [11:02] which I think is to do with a unix domain socket on the server. [11:02] directhex: intel 64 [11:03] screen-x, "modprobe kvm_intel" throws no errors? [11:03] modprobe kvm_intel works [11:04] [ 1978.635620] qemu-system-x86[22313]: segfault at 0 ip 00000000004e5140 sp 00007fff79c2c180 error 4 in qemu-system-x86_64[400000+246000] [11:07] daubers: hmm this new server keeps putting my 'from' address as my (once moved) domain name, rather than just from an ip address. I tried commenting out anything to do with my domain name in main.cf and also in muttrc [11:08] when I ssh in, it says i am logged in jonr@domainname.com: where's that coming from? [11:08] ive commented out name in /etc/hostname [11:08] j0nr: you want your emails to appear to come from jon@x.x.x.x ? [11:09] just for now, screen-x I can send email out, but it appears as from jon@domain.com so I cant just reply as that thenjust sends it to my old server [11:09] j0nr: probably easier to setup new-temp.domain.com with its own mx records [11:10] ergh... sounds too much [11:10] I just created a new vim with virt-manager and it started :) must have been a problem with the xml configs I imported from virsh [11:10] but what is telling my system to say its from 'domain.com'? [11:10] err s/vim/VM/ [11:11] 11/1/11 11:11 [11:11] \o/ [11:11] how to execute a command as a search result in vi? [11:12] i.e. :%s/test/:D/g [11:13] andylockran: what are you trying to do? [11:13] at the first occurance of the word test on each line, delete the rest of the line [11:14] :%s/test.*$/test/ [11:22] andylockran: :help global [11:23] Morning everybody [11:23] hi davmor2 [11:24] * davmor2 prods czajkowski to find out how her upgrading went? [11:24] * AlanBell prods people in general with http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/linuxexposchedule [11:24] davmor2: it didn't [11:24] ran out pf space on maverick [11:25] so downloaded natty [11:25] just need to create the usb [11:25] this may have been wiser to wait till saturday when I didn't need my laptop for the next 3 days [11:25] czajkowski: let me guess 8gb ssd [11:25] yes [11:28] AlanBell, Linux Expo? When? Where? [11:30] there's an open sauce one at he barbican beginning of feb [11:30] BigRedS, cool, thanks just found it [11:30] (Googling Linux expo gives a load of crap results) [11:31] kazade: good point, just added the URL to the etherpad [11:31] http://www.opensourceexpo.co.uk/ [11:32] * AlanBell points kazade to the mailing list too [11:32] it's a shame it's on a weekday [11:32] best day for it to get people to come to an expo in London [11:32] really? [11:33] depends which type of people you are after [11:33] I suppose those who can pass it off as work [11:33] well yes [11:33] real people don't go to work conferences on a saturday [11:34] I'd have thought fri+sat or something, to get people with some familiarity to go see it in real life [11:34] AlanBell, fosdem! [11:34] I'll probs book the day off, I've got 4 days unused holiday from last year :) [11:34] day(s) [11:36] directhex: sure, but compare it to something like a non-IT related conference [11:36] directhex: fosdem is for people who already know and love the stuff :D [11:36] less than a month to FOSDEM :D squeeee [11:36] czajkowski, need to write my talk! [11:36] k [11:36] directhex: likewise :( === seeker is now known as Guest88068 [11:46] one year i will go to fosdem [11:46] honest guv [11:54] Laney: That sounds like one of those dodgy political promises "honest gov" or the apt job descriptions of Military Intelligence or Civil Servant [11:55] :) [11:55] my trustworthiness is for you to decide [12:00] morning all. [12:04] afternoon brobo [12:04] hi screen-x [12:06] eeek czajkowski you okay? [12:06] popey: gotta say, been better. I know the girl meant well, but 4 of us are dying sick [12:06] erk [12:06] what happened? [12:07] she was trying to make up for the fact she's been here for a long long time. cooked some chicken dish with some form of a dumpling, so dont know if it was the chicken gone off by 3 days... or the way it was prepared.. or what. [12:07] woke up this morning to ring into office, tried to sleep till now and just answering mails and going back to sleep. [12:08] oops [12:10] oooh dear! hope you can get some more sleep czajkowski [12:11] all I've to do is be ok by 3 for a conference call for an event we're doing and then I can go back and die [12:11] nn folks [12:12] See watch this for nice now.......get well soon czajkowski [12:12] oh no, a chicken related injury [12:13] AlanBell: better than a related chicken that's injured.... [12:13] AlanBell: I don't think the chicken can be held responsible in this instance [12:14] get well soon czajkowski :( [12:15] yikes, disk failed in our raid [12:15] so swapped it out and put a new one in [12:15] and during the rebuild it would appear the other disk is also failing nicely :s [12:15] avg rebuild speed down at 64k [12:15] andylockran: nooo [12:15] good news is that it keeps dropping in and then out [12:16] but yeah, currently running cat /proc/mdstat and recording how many blocks are complete [12:16] 12:04:02 0.6707387081 [12:16] 12:04:34 0.6708323134 [12:16] 12:09:13 0.6715268317 [12:16] 12:14:28 0.6722841365 [12:16] as an example [12:17] not the prettiest table you'll every see [12:17] monologue [12:17] even [12:50] hi folks [12:50] G'morning! [12:50] afternoonings hoover and BigRedS [12:56] ah, how's it going brobostigon ? [13:02] BigRedS: **** , not so hot, my eczema is causing alot of painand trouble, and its not being nice. how about you ? [13:02] I'm reasonably good. Been in since 4am though, getting tired of this being-at-work thing. And just generally tired... :( [13:03] :( [13:03] on the other hand, we have doughnuts :) [13:04] yummy, :) [13:04] yeah. got Sainsbury's apple ones which are nicer than I was expecting [13:04] not too sweet, I think I might've accidentally grown up a bit... [13:05] hehe. :) [13:09] RAID rebuilding 600GB array at 1%/hour... [13:09] currently on 68% [13:10] I'd suggest you've bigger problems than a degraded raid [13:10] Does seem rather slow [13:11] BigRedS: yep, master disk in the RAID array has lots of bad sectors methinks [13:11] joy joy joy [13:14] Hey all, can anyone tell me how i can get into Hardware information on ubuntu 10.10, it doesnt appear to be in the list of applications. Cheers. Shotgunfool [13:14] If you open a terminal, and type 'sudo lshw' you'll get a big list. Are you after anything in particular? [13:15] yeah i need: [13:15] system->administration->system monitor has the CPU and RAM [13:15] pci [13:15] .subsys_vendor_id: mine is 144f [13:15] pci.subsys_product_id: mine is 7094 [13:15] pci.vendor_id: mine is 168c [13:15] pci.product_id: mine is 1a [13:15] oops, ignore the mine is but, that was copied from the guide [13:15] its all about the network card [13:15] ahh, sounds like you're after 'lspci' [13:16] which is a terminal tool, again. I don't know of a graphical way of getting it [13:16]