[00:04] <sm1773r> evening all
[00:05] <eviljames> Isn't it really early morning in the UK by now?
[00:05] <sm1773r> lol well if u want to be precise 12:07am all
[00:05] <eviljames> heh
[00:06] <eviljames> *shrug* I'm on the other side of the planet, so for me it's not even time to go home from work yet :(
[00:06] <screen-x> yes, very early in the morning here :(
[00:06] <sm1773r> lol unlucky bud how long u got left
[00:06] <sm1773r> god u been on here all day screen
[00:07] <eviljames> just an hour... figure I'll spend it on irc trying to sort out the same single, stupid, issue that I've been stumbling on for the last few days...
[00:07] <screen-x> sm1773r: yeah, I should be in bed!
[00:07] <sm1773r> but ur gripped by the intence convo on irc
[00:08] <screen-x> nah, working, but enjoying the distraction of irc :)
[00:08] <sm1773r> its been a long distraction lol
[00:09] <screen-x> sm1773r: I keep 1/2 and eye on irc whilst working..
[00:09] <screen-x> err 1/2 an eye
[00:09] <sm1773r> lol
[00:20] <screen-x> MooDoo: still up?
[00:33] <Alice-In-Wonderl> Hello
[00:37] <shannon> hi
[00:39] <Alice-In-Wonderl> Hey cinex
[00:40] <cinex> whats new?
[00:40] <Alice-In-Wonderl> Just after some help, but it seems dead in here >.>
[00:40] <cinex> what do u need to know?
[00:40]  * screen-x is alsmost awake
[00:41] <Alice-In-Wonderl> If there was a way to install ubuntu from a NTFS external hardrive
[00:41] <cinex> i think so
[00:41] <cinex> you can install it from a usb drive
[00:41] <screen-x> or use wubi from windows
[00:41] <Alice-In-Wonderl> I know, but it needs FAT32, I think
[00:41] <cinex> hmm
[00:42] <screen-x> or partition the external hdd, have an ubuntu installer partition, and a separate ntfs partition for data
[00:42] <Alice-In-Wonderl> Ah, I never thought of that! I'll give that a go, screen-x, thank you
[00:43] <cinex> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1452130
[00:44] <cinex> beats me
[00:44]  * cinex doesnt have anything windows anymore
[00:44] <Alice-In-Wonderl> Humm, well thanks anyway, i'll try partitioning it as FAT32 and see if that works...
[00:44] <cinex> do u not have the hardwear to burn a cd?
[00:45] <Alice-In-Wonderl> I used to have ubuntu, but I brought a new laptop and was so busy with college work etc I never got round to re-installing it
[00:45] <Alice-In-Wonderl> I do, but no discs
[00:45] <cinex> or perhaps, virtually mount the image inside windows and use the install it inside windows option ?
[00:45] <cinex> i dont know the name of it. but you can run the installer as a windows app
[00:46] <screen-x> wubi
[00:46] <cinex> wubi
[00:46] <screen-x> ^5
[00:46] <Alice-In-Wonderl> I'll try both ^-^
[00:46] <cinex> if you plan on running it permanently you should either get a usb drive or rewriteable disk
[00:47] <cinex> it has a fairly quick update cycle
[00:48] <Alice-In-Wonderl> Exactly the reason I wanted to use my external hardrive....
[00:49] <cinex> the thumbnail would be better in my mind. then u can use it like a key to decrypt all your stuff too :)
[00:50] <Alice-In-Wonderl> Sorry?
[00:50] <screen-x> cinex: do you mean usb stick/thumb drive?
[00:51] <cinex> lol, thumbnail
[00:51] <cinex> yeah i meant thumb drive
[00:52] <Alice-In-Wonderl> I have a laptop external hardrive, it's basically a USB stick with 320gb of storage xD
[00:52] <cinex> push it in, and linux can mount it, get the key, decrypt everything then unmount it. then when you pull it out. re-encrypt everything
[00:52] <Alice-In-Wonderl> Yea
[00:53] <cinex> it shocks me how easy that is to set up. and how the government can't be bothered
[00:54] <Alice-In-Wonderl> What do you mean? Setting up ubuntu?
[00:54] <cinex> configuring it.
[00:54] <Alice-In-Wonderl> Ah, well they'd rather buy windows and watch it burn and die >.>
[00:54] <cinex> in this case, each drive has a unique id. you can get linux to execute commands when it sees that number.
[00:55] <Alice-In-Wonderl> Right...
[00:55] <cinex> ie, when you put a thumdrive in
[00:55] <Alice-In-Wonderl> Yea...
[00:55] <screen-x> cinex: sounds like you're on a udev high ;-)
[00:55] <Alice-In-Wonderl> (this is kind of new to me >.<)
[00:56] <cinex> yeah. my father in law wants a cctv server. so i was planning it out. I would have a 'key' to switch on the indoor cameras eh
[00:56] <cinex> so u could easily turn them on before you went out.
[00:57] <screen-x> cinex: you could do it by tracking the bluetooth/wifi addresses of the family phones..
[00:58] <cinex> thats interesting
[00:58] <screen-x> cinex: are you going to use zone minder?
[00:58] <cinex> i was looking at motion
[00:58] <screen-x> !info motion
[00:58] <screen-x> hmm have a look at zone minder :)
[00:58] <cinex> it has all the options the $1000 cameras have
[00:58] <cinex> i will
[01:05] <cinex> the only real problem is that to get a wifi/network camera means having all those functions built into the camera
[01:06] <cinex> I don't know how secure it is to have the whole setup outside ready to be stolen. it would possibly have images all dateed and timestamped of them leaving the house. let them predict when the house will be empty
[01:06] <screen-x> cinex: outside?
[01:06] <cinex> with a central server it could all be encrypted. so if it did get stolen then there would be no useful information on it
[01:06] <cinex> a camera pointing at the car kind of thing
[01:06] <cinex> which would always be on.
[01:07] <screen-x> cinex: yeah, centralised is the way to go.
[01:07] <screen-x> Could store the most recent data off site (depending on how much bandwidth is available..)
[01:08] <cinex> they have ftp servers built in.
[01:08] <screen-x> which cameras are you looking at?
[01:08] <cinex> webservers built in. they can link up 16 or so cameras together so you can remote view them all
[01:08] <cinex> ip cameras
[01:09] <screen-x> any models in particular?
[01:09] <screen-x> I'm interested because I'd like some, but cant afford axis!
[01:09] <cinex> no. there is a panasonic (I think) that is reasonably cheap.
[01:09] <cinex> I'm in canada so the prices might be higher over there (always are)
[01:11] <cinex> http://www.ipcamerasupply.com/panasonic-bl-c140a
[01:11] <screen-x> these also seem to be quite cheap http://www.edimax.co.uk/en/produce_list.php?pl1_id=8&pl2_id=
[01:11] <screen-x> $35! awesome
[01:12] <screen-x> oh, thats the warranty
[01:12]  * screen-x resizes browser
[01:12] <cinex> with tax that would be around $200 which is about 140 - 160 quid
[01:13] <screen-x> Thats not bad for one that will withstand some weather
[01:13] <cinex> heat and motion detectors
[01:21] <screen-x> cinex: so did you used to live in the UK, then move over to Canada?
[01:22] <cinex> yeah. moved here 4 months ago
[01:22] <screen-x> How are you finding the transition?
[01:23] <cinex> its good.
[01:23]  * screen-x is nosy     ._.
[01:23] <cinex> I have a good job already. its temporary at the monment. but they are looking to actually hire people. so i get a pyarise after 3 months. taken on at six.
[01:23] <cinex> will be on like 15 pound an hour in 12 months lol
[01:23] <screen-x> sounds good :)
[01:24] <cinex> beats 5.80 and a company that treats you like crap
[01:24] <screen-x> are you near plenty of lakes and mountains for days off?
[01:24] <cinex> im on , what, 6 pounds and hour, and i feel twice as rich
[01:25] <cinex> god no. I live on lake ontario, overpupulated and full of smog
[01:25] <cinex> really bad pulution.
[01:25] <screen-x> :( shame
[01:26] <cinex> i will move out of the city eventually
[01:26] <cinex> something like 60% of all candians live around this lake
[01:26] <screen-x>  I may have to move up to London, which wont be good for the lungs!
[01:27] <cinex> oh no. 20% of canadas population and 53% of onatarios
[01:27] <cinex> move to canada, its awesome
[01:27] <screen-x> So what made you pick canada when wnating to escape the UK?
[01:27] <hamitron> upto London?
[01:28] <screen-x> hamitron: London is "up" from everywhere ;-)
[01:28] <cinex> my wife is candian, (met her online) and nowhere is as bad as the uk lol
[01:28] <screen-x> haha
[01:28] <hamitron> sure ;/
[01:29] <cinex> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HamiltonOntarioSkylineC.JPG
[01:30] <cinex> you can see my apartment building on there
[01:30] <screen-x> nice and green
[01:30] <screen-x> is there much sailing on the lake?
[01:30] <cinex> in the summer yeah
[01:31] <cinex> its massive
[01:31] <cinex> has waves and a beach and everything
[01:31] <screen-x> not big enough to surf though?
[01:32] <cinex> NOOO
[01:32] <cinex> fraid not
[01:33] <screen-x> heh, cant have everything ;-)
[01:33] <cinex> people charge into it on new years day i think
[01:33] <cinex> polar run
[01:34] <cinex> polar plunge
[01:34] <cinex> polar something
[06:32] <fujisano> Hello, good morning is anyone awake?
[06:32] <fujisano> I have a question my internet stopped working on ubuntu 10.10 i wanted to have get some ideas about how to solve it please
[06:33] <BigRedS> I'm about
[06:33] <BigRedS> Though I am technically fixing, er, someone else's networking not working :)
[06:35] <fujisano> well its a wired ethernet cable
[06:36] <fujisano> the cable has worked for 6 years and now all of a sudden its not working i am hoping its not the network card but dunno how to test this
[06:36] <BigRedS> when you say 'its not working', what exactly is happening?
[06:36] <fujisano> i have no internet with the ethernet cable plugged in
[06:37] <BigRedS> How comfortable are you in the terminal?
[06:37] <fujisano> i can see it says disconnected when i hoover over the network symbol
[06:37] <BigRedS> ahh
[06:37] <fujisano> on ubuntu
[06:37] <fujisano> comfortable enough i suppose
[06:37] <BigRedS> Ah, handy. I'm not very comfortable out of it :)
[06:37] <BigRedS> Just a quick check - has this problem survived a reboot?
[06:37] <fujisano> i havent checked that yet let me check that first
[06:38] <BigRedS> if it's easy, that's a way to restart everything I'm about to have you test :)
[06:38] <BigRedS> if you'd rather not reboot, it's not really necessary,
[06:39] <BigRedS> though I'm about to be tied up for ~5-10 mins, so perhaps it's something to do in the meantime...
[06:40] <fujisan> Hmz it works again
[06:40] <fujisan> no clue why it stopped working then
[06:41] <fujisan> thanks for your help :)
[06:42] <BigRedS> fujisan: Ah, that's the problem with the brute-force reboot way I suppose.
[06:42] <BigRedS> you don't find out which individual part broke
[06:42] <BigRedS> generally, it's network-manager :)
[06:43] <fujisan> oh ok ty
[06:44] <fujisan> yeah i wanted to reboot than the reboot didnt work and i paniced too soon i guess
[06:46] <fujisan> oh btw what are the current recommended specifications for running Ubuntu where can i find this?
[06:47] <fujisan> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements << according to this site recommended and minimum specs are the same?
[06:47] <BigRedS> fujisan: it's quite possible
[06:47] <fujisan> i dont get what they mean by recommended minimum
[06:47] <BigRedS> well, it will work on systems substantially less powerful than the recommended minimum
[06:48] <BigRedS> it'll just take a bit of fiddling. the reccomended minimum is what you need to get the sort of performance most people expect without having to fiddle
[06:48] <fujisan> i have a 2Ghz cpu here 2 gb of ram and enough diskspace but still Ubuntu 10.10 does run a tad slower than previous versions
[06:48] <fujisan> nautilus is really slow on this pc
[06:48] <BigRedS> hmmm, does it do anything in particular slower, or is it just generally slower?
[06:49] <fujisan> just whenever i try to open a folder my hardware makes a lot of noise
[06:49] <BigRedS> hmm, might be worth running disk diagnostics. Are you running any other OSs?
[06:49] <fujisan> harddrive*
[06:49] <BigRedS> ah, if there's a bunch of hdd noise, it sounds like the hdd is at fault. probably worth looking into a new one. And taking a backup if you don't already :)
[06:49] <fujisan> actually i am running ubuntu under wubi now and want to reformat the PC and make it Ubuntu only
[06:50] <BigRedS> (I don't mean to make you panic, I just like to have spares and backups knocking around)
[06:50] <fujisan> BigRedS:  could be the HDD is 6 years old
[06:50] <fujisan> almost 7
[06:50] <BigRedS> does the Windows install also do the hdd noises and slowness when accessing files?
[06:50] <BigRedS> mmm, 7 years is a reasonable age for a hard drive. several do last longer, but many fail before then, too.
[06:51] <fujisan> but really i abused the hell out of this PC and had the psu replaced 3x already
[06:51] <fujisan> i paid around 80 euros for a decent psu so i can use it a bit longer
[06:51] <fujisan> but i really want a netbook for Ubuntu
[06:54] <BigRedS> mmm, I'm currently deciding between a new laptop and a new netbook
[06:54] <BigRedS> but there's nothing really wrong with my current laptop, it's just a bit old
[06:55] <fujisan> yeah i really want to stop using this PC it just uses too much power
[06:56] <fujisan> and the CRT monitor alone weighs a ton
[06:57] <fujisan> so whats the quickest way to format the PC just use an installer CD and then let the installer reformat right?
[06:58] <BigRedS> fujisan: yeah, pretty much
[06:58] <BigRedS> make sure you've put any data you want to keep somewhere safe first
[06:58] <fujisan> oh ok
[06:58] <BigRedS> which can be a separate partition on the same drive, if you want, but that does require some faffing. If the drive's making horrible noises, though, I'd look at replacing it first, then you can copy the data off the current one onto the new one
[06:59] <fujisan> i have a newer drive already put in
[06:59] <fujisan> the older a Maxtor i have suspected it's dying for a while
[06:59] <BigRedS> Ahhh, I see
[07:00] <fujisan> the newer one is Western Digital and it's only 3 years old
[07:01] <fujisan> ok thanks for your help :) i am going to safe some files now
[07:01] <fujisan> bu bye
[08:01] <daubers> Morning
[08:01] <daubers> yet another morning where I get to the office and there is no power
[08:02] <daubers> stupid sothern electric
[08:06] <diplo> Sounds the same as my old place, sub station kept blowing a fuse
[08:12] <daubers> diplo: Thats what sec said
[08:40] <diplo> daubers, we got SEC to supply us with a HUGE generator and wired us in and made them fix the problem in the end as it had happened so many times
[08:41] <daubers> diplo: heh, we should try that one
[08:53] <DJones> Morning all
[08:54] <diplo> morning
[08:54] <danfish> hello
[08:55] <danfish> time to bite the bullet and finally upgrade the main latop to 10.10
[09:00] <BigRedS> I found 10.10 one of the less confusing upgrades
[09:00] <BigRedS> I think all that changed was my default browser, which was easy enough to notice and revert
[09:03] <danfish> oops "n unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:
[09:03] <danfish> E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be
[09:03] <danfish> caused by held packages"
[09:29] <daubers> Woot! Powers back
[09:31]  * daubers fires the various virtual machines back up
[09:31] <DJones> Thats what happens when you get rid of the kyrptonite
[09:36] <danfish> yeah, borked package nuked, upgrade progressing :)
[09:38] <j0nr> morning
[09:39] <j0nr> ok, have set up new mail server on a temp ip address. I can send mail out, but how can I test if mail can be recieved? jon@ip.add.re.ss ??
[09:41] <kazade> Hi everybody!
[09:46] <daubers> j0nr: Pretty much
[09:49] <gran> whats the command to eject a dvd drive?
[09:51] <daubers> gran: eject
[09:51] <gran> genius :P
[09:51] <gran> ty
[09:52] <daubers> No probs :)
[09:52] <gran> its not binding the eject button on my laptop to eject the dvd
[09:55] <diplo> Anyone here run a HP ProBook at all ?
[09:59] <diplo> Reason for asking is whilst running 10.10 ( not tried any other Linux distro ) the fans are always kicking in, for some reason I had decided to leave the Win7 on there which was odd as I have used Linux exclusively now for over a year, and this doesn't happen under Win7.. any thoughts or advice would be appreciated on a fix
[09:59] <diplo> Already tried changing cpu freq to see if that would keep it off more
[10:00] <diplo> From little I've found it seems to be a ACPI issue, but I can't find a fix or any good suggestions so far, it could be my google foo sucks this week
[10:14] <screen-x> morning :)
[10:16] <dutchie> hi screen-x
[10:16] <screen-x> Hey dutchie,  how much holiday do you have left?
[10:18] <dutchie> screen-x: 2.5 hours
[10:18] <dutchie> really should be packing
[10:18] <screen-x> So your back to uni today?
[10:18] <dutchie> yep
[10:18] <screen-x> looking forward to it?
[10:18] <dutchie> of course
[10:18] <screen-x> :)
[10:21] <andylockran> hey guys
[10:21] <andylockran> anyone recommend a server that takes the same drive caddies as a dell 2950, but 1U instead of 2U
[10:22] <screen-x> morning andylockran
[10:22] <andylockran> morning
[10:23] <screen-x> I don't know dell's range, but most server vendors do 1u boxes with 2.5" or 3.5" disk options
[10:23] <screen-x> can ~8 2.5" disks in a 1u box, but they are still really expensive :(
[10:24] <screen-x> I started playing kvm/qemu and libvirt last night
[10:24] <screen-x> got qemu/kvm working, but libvirt/virsh was a mystery
[10:24] <diplo> andylockran, the 1950 ?
[10:25] <diplo> We used to run 2950's and 1950's
[10:25] <andylockran> diplo: thanks
[10:25] <andylockran> that kinda looks obvious now
[10:25] <screen-x> daubers: do you a libvert based kvm manager?
[10:26] <screen-x> *libvirt
[10:29] <directhex> kvm is awesome
[10:30] <screen-x> directhex: I'm sure it is... do you know of anything that needs to be done to a clean 10.04 install, to get libvirt based kvm management tools to work?
[10:31] <directhex> screen-x, add your user to libvirtd group and log out/in?
[10:31] <screen-x> directhex: yep, done that
[10:36] <danfish> screen-x: what happens when you startup the GUI?
[10:37] <screen-x> danfish: I don't have any GUI stuff on this box at the moment. If I run qemu-system-x86_64 I can start a vm, but If I run virsh start guest, it fails.
[10:38] <screen-x> looks similar to bug 581934
[10:58] <daubers> screen-x: Yup
[10:59] <screen-x> daubers: do you remember having to jump through any hoops to get it working?
[10:59] <daubers> screen-x: I do management using virt-manager through ssh
[10:59] <daubers> screen-x: Just had to muck about with ssh keys
[10:59] <daubers> screen-x: I am in the process of building a virtual machine host... so might hit some again shortly
[11:01] <daubers> screen-x: My virt-manager command line for ssh management is virt-manager -c qemu+ssh://root@192.168.119.252/system
[11:01] <daubers> then I have root access with ssh keys
[11:02] <screen-x> hmm, I can get the ssh bits to work, when I connected I get a list of non-running VMs
[11:02] <screen-x> attempting to start a vm ends with libvirtError: monitor socket did not show up.: Connection refused
[11:02] <directhex> screen-x, are you on amd or intel?
[11:02] <screen-x> which I think is to do with a unix domain socket on the server.
[11:02] <screen-x> directhex: intel 64
[11:03] <directhex> screen-x, "modprobe kvm_intel" throws no errors?
[11:03] <screen-x> modprobe kvm_intel works
[11:04] <screen-x> [ 1978.635620] qemu-system-x86[22313]: segfault at 0 ip 00000000004e5140 sp 00007fff79c2c180 error 4 in qemu-system-x86_64[400000+246000]
[11:07] <j0nr> daubers: hmm this new server keeps putting my 'from' address as my (once moved) domain name, rather than just from an ip address. I tried commenting out anything to do with my domain name in main.cf and also in muttrc
[11:08] <j0nr> when I ssh in, it says i am logged in jonr@domainname.com: where's that coming from?
[11:08] <j0nr> ive commented out name in /etc/hostname
[11:08] <screen-x> j0nr: you want your emails to appear to come from jon@x.x.x.x ?
[11:09] <j0nr> just for now, screen-x I can send email out, but it appears as from jon@domain.com so I cant just reply as that thenjust sends it to my old server
[11:09] <screen-x> j0nr: probably easier to setup new-temp.domain.com with its own mx records
[11:10] <j0nr> ergh... sounds too much
[11:10] <screen-x> I just created a new vim with virt-manager and it started :) must have been a problem with the xml configs I imported from virsh
[11:10] <j0nr> but what is telling my system to say its from 'domain.com'?
[11:10] <screen-x> err s/vim/VM/
[11:11] <bigcalm> 11/1/11 11:11
[11:11] <screen-x> \o/
[11:11] <andylockran> how to execute a command as a search result in vi?
[11:12] <andylockran> i.e. :%s/test/:D/g
[11:13] <screen-x> andylockran: what are you trying to do?
[11:13] <andylockran> at the first occurance of the word test on each line, delete the rest of the line
[11:14] <screen-x> :%s/test.*$/test/
[11:22] <dutchie> andylockran: :help global
[11:23] <davmor2> Morning everybody
[11:23] <AlanBell> hi davmor2
[11:24]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski to find out how her upgrading went?
[11:24]  * AlanBell prods people in general with http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/linuxexposchedule
[11:24] <czajkowski> davmor2: it didn't
[11:24] <czajkowski> ran out pf space on maverick
[11:25] <czajkowski> so downloaded natty
[11:25] <czajkowski> just need to create the usb
[11:25] <czajkowski> this may have been wiser to wait till saturday when  I didn't need my laptop for the next 3 days
[11:25] <davmor2> czajkowski: let me guess 8gb ssd
[11:25] <czajkowski> yes
[11:28] <kazade> AlanBell, Linux Expo? When? Where?
[11:30] <BigRedS> there's an open sauce one at he barbican beginning of feb
[11:30] <kazade> BigRedS, cool, thanks just found it
[11:30] <kazade> (Googling Linux expo gives a load of crap results)
[11:31] <AlanBell> kazade: good point, just added the URL to the etherpad
[11:31] <AlanBell> http://www.opensourceexpo.co.uk/
[11:32]  * AlanBell points kazade to the mailing list too
[11:32] <kazade> it's a shame it's on a weekday
[11:32] <AlanBell> best day for it to get people to come to an expo in London
[11:32] <BigRedS> really?
[11:33] <screen-x> depends which type of people you are after
[11:33] <BigRedS> I suppose those who can pass it off as work
[11:33] <AlanBell> well yes
[11:33] <AlanBell> real people don't go to work conferences on a saturday
[11:34] <BigRedS> I'd have thought fri+sat or something, to get people with some familiarity to go see it in real life
[11:34] <directhex> AlanBell, fosdem!
[11:34] <kazade> I'll probs book the day off, I've got 4 days unused holiday from last year :)
[11:34] <kazade> day(s)
[11:36] <AlanBell> directhex: sure, but compare it to something like a non-IT related conference
[11:36] <czajkowski> directhex: fosdem is for people who already know and love the stuff :D
[11:36] <czajkowski> less than a month to FOSDEM :D squeeee
[11:36] <directhex> czajkowski, need to write my talk!
[11:36] <screen-x> k
[11:36] <czajkowski> directhex: likewise :(
[11:46] <Laney> one year i will go to fosdem
[11:46] <Laney> honest guv
[11:54] <DJones> Laney: That sounds like one of those dodgy political promises "honest gov" or the apt job descriptions of Military Intelligence or Civil Servant
[11:55] <Laney> :)
[11:55] <Laney> my trustworthiness is for you to decide
[12:00] <brobostigon> morning all.
[12:04] <screen-x> afternoon brobo
[12:04] <brobostigon> hi screen-x
[12:06] <popey> eeek czajkowski you okay?
[12:06] <czajkowski> popey: gotta say, been better. I know the girl meant well, but 4 of us are dying sick
[12:06] <popey> erk
[12:06] <popey> what happened?
[12:07] <czajkowski> she was trying to make up for the fact she's been here for a long long time. cooked some chicken dish with some form of a dumpling, so dont know if it was the chicken gone off by 3 days... or the way it was prepared.. or what.
[12:07] <czajkowski> woke up this morning to ring into office, tried to sleep till now and just answering mails and going back to sleep.
[12:08] <popey> oops
[12:10] <screen-x> oooh dear! hope you can get some more sleep czajkowski
[12:11] <czajkowski> all I've to do is be ok by 3 for a conference call for an event we're doing and then I can go back and die
[12:11] <czajkowski> nn folks
[12:12] <davmor2> See watch this for nice now.......get well soon czajkowski
[12:12] <AlanBell> oh no, a chicken related injury
[12:13] <davmor2> AlanBell: better than a related chicken that's injured....
[12:13] <screen-x> AlanBell: I don't think the chicken can be held responsible in this instance
[12:14] <andylockran> get well soon czajkowski :(
[12:15] <andylockran> yikes, disk failed in our raid
[12:15] <andylockran> so swapped it out and put a new one in
[12:15] <andylockran> and during the rebuild it would appear the other disk is also failing nicely :s
[12:15] <andylockran> avg rebuild speed down at 64k
[12:15] <screen-x> andylockran: nooo
[12:15] <andylockran> good news is that it keeps dropping in and then out
[12:16] <andylockran> but yeah, currently running cat /proc/mdstat and recording how many blocks are complete
[12:16] <andylockran> 12:04:02	0.6707387081
[12:16] <andylockran> 12:04:34	0.6708323134
[12:16] <andylockran> 12:09:13	0.6715268317
[12:16] <andylockran> 12:14:28	0.6722841365
[12:16] <andylockran> as an example
[12:17] <andylockran> not the prettiest table you'll every see
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[12:50] <hoover> hi folks
[12:50] <BigRedS> G'morning!
[12:50] <brobostigon> afternoonings hoover and BigRedS
[12:56] <BigRedS> ah, how's it going brobostigon ?
[13:02] <brobostigon> BigRedS: **** , not so hot, my eczema is causing alot of painand trouble, and its not being nice. how about you ?
[13:02] <BigRedS> I'm reasonably good. Been in since 4am though, getting tired of this being-at-work thing. And just generally tired... :(
[13:03] <brobostigon> :(
[13:03] <BigRedS> on the other hand, we have doughnuts :)
[13:04] <brobostigon> yummy, :)
[13:04] <BigRedS> yeah. got Sainsbury's apple ones which are nicer than I was expecting
[13:04] <BigRedS> not too sweet, I think I might've accidentally grown up a bit...
[13:05] <brobostigon> hehe. :)
[13:09] <andylockran> RAID rebuilding 600GB array at 1%/hour...
[13:09] <andylockran> currently on 68%
[13:10] <BigRedS> I'd suggest you've bigger problems than a degraded raid
[13:10] <diplo> Does seem rather slow
[13:11] <andylockran> BigRedS: yep, master disk in the RAID array has lots of bad sectors methinks
[13:11] <andylockran> joy joy joy
[13:14] <shotgunfool> Hey all, can anyone tell me how i can get into Hardware information on ubuntu 10.10, it doesnt appear to be in the list of applications. Cheers. Shotgunfool
[13:14] <BigRedS> If you open a terminal, and type 'sudo lshw' you'll get a big list. Are you after anything in particular?
[13:15] <shotgunfool> yeah i need:
[13:15] <BigRedS> system->administration->system monitor  has the CPU and RAM
[13:15] <shotgunfool> pci
[13:15] <shotgunfool> .subsys_vendor_id: mine is 144f
[13:15] <shotgunfool> pci.subsys_product_id: mine is 7094
[13:15] <shotgunfool> pci.vendor_id: mine is 168c
[13:15] <shotgunfool> pci.product_id: mine is 1a
[13:15] <shotgunfool> oops, ignore the mine is but, that was copied from the guide
[13:15] <shotgunfool> its all about the network card
[13:15] <BigRedS> ahh, sounds like you're after 'lspci'
[13:16] <BigRedS> which is a terminal tool, again. I don't know of a graphical way of getting it
[13:16] <BigRedS> But if you do applications->accessories->terminal  to get a terminal
[13:16] <BigRedS> then type 'lspci' and hit enter, you'll get a list of *some* info about the card
[13:17] <brobostigon> or cards*
[13:17] <davisc> update-pciids is also a good idea first
[13:17] <shotgunfool> hmm doesnt seem to have the information i need =/
[13:18] <BigRedS> you can then do 'lspci -vvv -s<slot>' where <slot> is the string of : and . delimited numbersa thte beginning of the line
[13:18] <BigRedS> which might give what you're after, I'm not certain
[13:18] <BigRedS> amusingly, I have no wired nic in this machine
[13:18] <DJones> "lshw" might help as well, it might not beinstalled by default though
[13:19] <shotgunfool> got an error, "Bash: syntax error near unexpected token 'newline'
[13:22] <diplo> shotgunfool, no one has suggested it yet but hardinfo is a nice little GUI app for exactly that
[13:23] <shotgunfool> installing now
[13:23] <DJones> T-Mobile have cut their mobile data usage tariffs to 500Mb from 1st Feb for pay monthly customers
[13:24] <shotgunfool> still doesnt have enough information =/
[13:26] <Laney> three's data network is pretty good IME
[13:27] <shotgunfool> its only a fair use policy anyway, if you go over that, they generally dont charge you anyway, well i dont get charged for mine
[13:28] <shotgunfool> Yay! found it, a program called "Device manager" got lots and lots of info ;)
[13:31] <dogmatic69> o2 cut it from unlimited 1 year ago to 500mb 6 months ago to £1 per day
[13:32] <shotgunfool> £1 per day is a bit excessive =/
[13:32] <DJones> Laney: Most have cut them to 500Mb now, I think three were offering 1Gb in October when I changed my phone & vodafone 750Mb
[13:33] <diplo> Odd, was looking at new phones yesterday and a lot of those mentioned still offering a GB
[13:34] <Laney> I have 2gb apparently
[13:34] <diplo> Friends tmobile is 4gb
[13:34] <Laney> on my 15/mo contract
[13:34] <brobostigon> on my o2 pay as you go, for £10 a month i get 500mb and 300sms, i am happ with that.
[13:35] <Laney> http://www.trustpilot.co.uk/review/www.decuisine.co.uk
[13:35] <DJones> diplo: T-Mobile have cut all their accounts to 500Mb, looks like it was announced yesterday/today
[13:35] <Laney> guess who ordered christmas presents from here that haven't showed up yet? :(
[13:35] <shotgunfool> on my tmob i get, 1000 mins, unlimited text (3000) and unlimited net(1gb) insured for £35 - g2 touch
[13:36] <X3N> DJones: got a link for the announcement from T mobile?
[13:36] <brobostigon> shotgunfool: a contradiction, how canthey be unlimited when there is a limit.
[13:36] <dogmatic69> brobostigon: that is what i am on and they have changed it
[13:36] <DJones> X3N: http://cow.neondragon.net/index.php/t-mobile-cuts-unlimited-internet-fair-usage-limit-to-500mb-per-month and http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12160654
[13:36] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: how have they?
[13:36] <shotgunfool> http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/11/t-mobile-uk-cuts-fair-use-allowance-to-500mb-sends-you-home-t/
[13:36] <dogmatic69> it is now £3 per meg with a max of £1 per day
[13:37] <X3N> ugh, that's the whole reason I went with tmobile out the window
[13:37] <popey> i have 10GB/mo on orange :D
[13:37] <DJones> X3N: That first link seems to have quite a bit of detail on the changes for standard accounts
[13:38] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: so i no longer get my monthly allowance,for the whole month?
[13:38] <dogmatic69> For applicable tariffs with data capability: Unless a data or BlackBerry Bolt On is taken, your tariff will include O2 Web Daily under which data (for UK only use) will be charged at up to a maximum of £1.02 per day (00:00am to 23:59pm). Once you have reached your maximum daily charge of £1.02, O2 Web Daily allows you unlimited use of Telefónica O2 UK Limited's Edge/GPRS/ 3G networks (as applicable to your handset)
[13:38] <dogmatic69> nope
[13:38] <DJones> X3N: Official announcement http://support.t-mobile.co.uk/help-and-support/index?page=home&cat=DATA_CHANGES
[13:38] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: thats crap.
[13:38] <dogmatic69> i know
[13:39] <dogmatic69> i bought it 6month ago with unlimited being the reason, only to find out it was changed to 500mb the day after i bought it
[13:39] <shotgunfool> you know you have a 14 day grace period to return a phone
[13:39] <dogmatic69> gonna move, f**k them
[13:40] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: you're not alone, I suggest contacting T-Mobile to complain, perhaps via twitter.
[13:40] <dogmatic69> i did not buy the phone, just the sim
[13:40] <dogmatic69> o2 ...
[13:40] <dogmatic69> but ye
[13:40] <shotgunfool> ah, well surely you could have just cancelled the contract?
[13:40] <dogmatic69> pay and go
[13:40] <dogmatic69> i spent a lot on business cards with that number :/
[13:40] <shotgunfool> ah, i see ;(
[13:41] <dogmatic69> its really like false advertising
[13:42] <dogmatic69> say something to get a lot of people buying it and then change when they are committed
[13:42] <bigcalm> Humm, internet connection being weird
[13:42] <bigcalm> Cut it out, vm
[13:42] <dwatkins> 3 do a mifi device which offers 5 GB a month for less than a phone contract, dogmatic69
[13:42] <Laney> you can port the number to a new network easily
[13:43] <shotgunfool> but there isnt anything you can do about it because probably somewhere in the 30 pages of t&c it says your operator witholds the rights to change this policy at any time
[13:43] <dogmatic69> Laney: that is what i was thinking
[13:43] <dwatkins> I'm considering switching to using mifi and phone contracts with no 3G data allowance
[13:43] <dogmatic69> shotgunfool: with out a doubt
[13:43] <Laney> you can probably get a refund if they change the contract terms
[13:43] <dogmatic69> ill just use my new BT free almost anywere wifi
[13:44] <shotgunfool> but you signed to say they can change it
[13:44] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: onthe o2 site, ontheir pay as you go pages,it still says, i get my 300sms and 500b for my £10, isee no indication of any change,
[13:45] <shotgunfool> Applicable 1st of Feb i believe i read is someones post just up ^^
[13:45] <BigRedS> Laney: you can't (if this is T-Mobile you're talking about)
[13:45] <BigRedS> They've invoked the small print; it's a non-core service, so subject to all sorts of arbitrary changes
[13:45] <brobostigon> shotgunfool: can you link me up,so i can read it please.
[13:45] <shotgunfool> http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/11/t-mobile-uk-cuts-fair-use-allowance-to-500mb-sends-you-home-t/ has some info on it
[13:46] <dogmatic69> brobostigon: read the t&c says feb 2010
[13:46] <dogmatic69> or google the text i just pasted
[13:46] <shotgunfool> and no doubt www.mashable.com will have some info on it
[13:46] <Laney> http://www.bitterwallet.com/want-to-cancel-your-t-mobile-contract-heres-how-to-do-it/18286
[13:47] <diplo> BigRedS, I expect you can
[13:47] <diplo> And Laney has found out how
[13:47] <diplo> D:
[13:49] <shotgunfool> brb going to get a coffee ;)
[14:02] <BigRedS> diplo: that, by its own admission, isn't anywhere near concrete. It's a 'this might work'
[14:03] <dogmatic69> brobostigon: Customers who joined O2 prior to 30th September 2005 will be charged £2.35/MB for GPRS WAP up to a maximum of £1 a day in the UK. Customers who joined O2 after 30th September 2005 will be charged £3.00/MB up to a maximum of £1 a day in the UK. If you're travelling abroad check the roaming pages. Minimum charge per session 1p.
[14:03] <BigRedS> I'll be yabbering at ofcom, naturally, but I don't know that I want to risk terminating
[14:04] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: pay as you go ?
[14:04] <dogmatic69> yes
[14:04] <brobostigon> bollocks.
[14:05] <brobostigon> sorry.
[14:05] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: that is awful.
[14:05] <dogmatic69> http://www.o2.co.uk/explore/tariffs/paygo/oldtariffs/paygooriginal
[14:16] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: why old tariffs page, not current tariffs.?
[14:36] <livingdaylight> good morning
[14:36] <hamitron> evening
[14:36] <brobostigon> moin livingdaylight and hamitron
[14:36] <livingdaylight> either way its good, unless one's in Queensland right now
[14:38] <livingdaylight> can somoen tell me how to edit grup so I don't have all the old kernel versions listed; only the current one
[14:38] <popey> !grub
[14:38] <hamitron> can you not remove the old kernels?
[14:38] <livingdaylight> hamitron, would that remove from list?
[14:38] <popey> yeah, I'd use synaptic / apt to remove them
[14:39] <hamitron> once you know everything works with a new kernel ofc
[14:39] <popey> I'd always keep at least one other kernel around
[14:40] <brobostigon> .37 seems to be working nicely her eon my eeepc 900.
[14:41] <hamitron> if I was to install an old version of Xorg, would it be better to just compile and install to /usr/local or create .deb packages?
[14:42] <hamitron> I am torn :/
[14:43] <livingdaylight> application icons won't get out of the way as I try to re-arrange panel
[14:43] <hamitron> having a nfs share mounted on /usr/local seems tempting
[14:47] <shauno> hamitron: I'd probably build it under opt or local.  packages could get messy
[14:47] <hamitron> yeh
[14:47] <shauno> you'd get things refusing to install because you don't meet their versions, or you'd have to lie about your versions .. and pin yours so you don't update them with bits out of a modern Xorg, etc
[14:48] <hamitron> is it easy having 2 different X servers installed at once?
[14:49] <hamitron> :/
[14:49] <Laney> you could just download an old xorg source package from a previous release and install that
[14:49] <hamitron> my initial thought was to just have a basic system with no X, then install it
[14:50] <shauno> not sure about easy, but should be doable
[14:51] <gord> hamitron, what part of "two different x servers installed at once" sounds easy to you? ;)
[14:51] <kazade> gah, I'm such an idiot...
[14:51] <shauno> I had two copies of gnome installed for the longest time.  just lots of manipulating LD_LIBRARY_PATH so things are using the right libraries at the right time
[14:51] <hamitron> it sounds messier the more I think about it
[14:52] <kazade> I needed a replacement Pentium 4 processor, so I bought the cheapest one I could find on Ebay... how was I supposed to know that the P4 came in more than one socket version?! :/
[14:53] <hamitron> what version you bought?
[14:53] <kazade> LGA775
[14:53] <kazade> needed PGA478 apparently
[14:53] <hamitron> suppose you could get a cheap motherboard
[14:53] <hamitron> ;)
[14:55] <kazade> heh, I would, but it's for a custom mini PC (custom form factor)
[14:55] <kazade> the P4 had 3 different sockets
[14:55] <kazade> that's just moronic
[14:55] <hamitron> mine are 775 :)
[14:56] <hamitron> I was poor during the age of the 478
[14:56] <kazade> I've only ever bought AMD
[14:56] <hamitron> struggling by with super socket 7
[14:56] <hamitron> :/
[14:58] <hamitron> 3pm, time for tea and cakes, bbl
[14:59] <livingdaylight> are we going to see gnome 3 in the next version?
[15:01]  * davmor2 wonders if czajkowski got up in time for her conf call
[15:01] <moreati> livingdaylight: it won't be the default (that's unity) or installed by default. I haven't discovered if it will be packaged, but I expect so
[15:01] <livingdaylight> so much choice now!
[15:02] <livingdaylight> unity comes from the netbook?
[15:02] <czajkowski> davmor2: aye
[15:02] <moreati> livingdaylight: it originated as th UI for Ubuntu netbook edition
[15:03] <davmor2> livingdaylight, moreati: It's already packaged as the gnomeshell package as I understand it, the applications and underpinning system is already gnome 3
[15:04] <moreati> davmor2: ah cheers, I'd been looking for packages named some varient of gnome3 or with version 2.9x, but I last looked just before christmas
[15:05] <davmor2> moreati: as I understand it the only difference is the shell and obviously clutter
[15:06] <brobostigon> and then updates to software like nautilus and other gnome software,
[15:06] <moreati> When using sudo what's the correct way to redirect output with root privs? (e.g. sudo echo 10 > /foo would fail because the shell interprets the redirection and opens the file, rather than sudo)
[15:07] <moreati> I've tried various quoting and brackets, but without luck
[15:09] <shauno> I just sudo sh -c "echo 10 >/foo", but I can't promise that's the correct method
[15:11] <moreati> shauno: cheers. It works, which is the main thing
[15:23] <MooDoo> ping screen-x
[15:23] <screen-x> pong MooDoo
[15:23] <MooDoo> screen-x: didn't you want something mate?  i only just got your message
[15:23] <screen-x> I just wondered if you were awake at stupid-o-clock last night...
[15:24] <screen-x> but probably not if you only just got the message..
[15:24] <MooDoo> screen-x: yeah i was awake that late just not on irc, i didn't go to bed until 2am
[15:34] <andylockran> guys, anyone help with mdadm?
[15:34] <andylockran> http://dpaste.com/306770/
[15:34] <andylockran> sda3 is the master disk, and I'm trying to work out what that printout means
[15:34] <davmor2> http://twitpic.com/3p1w4i pure comedy gold
[15:34] <andylockran> sda keeps disappearing with read/write errors, and sdb is trying to rebuild off it.
[15:35] <popey> andylockran: what does /proc/mdstat contain?
[15:37] <andylockran> popey: http://dpaste.com/306781/\
[15:38] <andylockran> popey http://dpaste.com/306782/
[15:38] <Azelphur> http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/11/01/11/0415232/T-Mobile-Slashes-Fair-Use-Policy-Says-Download-At-Home
[15:38] <andylockran> it flitters between the two.. :(
[15:38] <Azelphur> Time for me to switch to 3!
[15:38] <Azelphur> Also, same logic, don't buy a smart phone, download at home!
[15:38] <Azelphur> It can wait ;)
[15:38] <hamitron> :/
[15:38] <andylockran> is there a way to see disk-writes in linux ?
[15:39] <andylockran> can I see what is being written to /dev/sdb ?
[15:39] <popey> iostat
[15:39] <popey> andylockran: dmesg?
[15:39] <popey> whats going on with the disk?
[15:39] <andylockran> popey: it looks dead
[15:40] <andylockran> http://dpaste.com/306787/
[15:40] <popey> replace it?
[15:40] <andylockran> the master is dying, and the slave is currently rebuilding
[15:40] <popey> can you see the data on it?
[15:40] <popey> what do you mean by master/slave?
[15:40] <andylockran> popey: master = active sync, slave = rebuilding
[15:41] <andylockran> in the array
[15:41] <popey> oic
[15:41] <popey> can you see the data?
[15:41] <andylockran> Input/output error
[15:41] <andylockran> some data is ok, other not so much
[15:42] <andylockran> I can see filesystem, but when I try to read file, get file read error
[15:42] <popey> erk
[15:42] <popey> backups?
[15:42] <andylockran> yup.
[17:20] <yarisbardella> w macccccccccccccc
[17:20] <yarisbardella> ubuntu shit
[17:21] <yarisbardella> :D
[17:21] <MooDoo> wot?
[17:22] <bigcalm> Trollers gonna troll
[17:22] <DJones> Drive by trolling, who'd have expected that
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> Waiters gonna wait
[18:29] <jacobw> Evolution is really slow at mail filtering :(
[18:41] <gord> jacobw, i use imapfilter
[18:42] <andylockran> haha
[18:42] <andylockran> brought the server back.. reseated the disks
[18:42] <andylockran> booted it up
[18:42] <andylockran> looks good :)
[19:02] <andylockran> anyone about?
[19:03] <brobostigon> o/
[19:09] <suprengr> o_/
[19:12] <jacobw> \o
[19:16] <AlanBell> o/
[19:19] <andylockran> ah ha
[19:19] <andylockran> just hiding
[19:19] <andylockran> working late tonight \o/
[19:19] <andylockran> raid CONTROLLER fail! :p
[19:20] <brobostigon> ouch :(
[19:20]  * brobostigon gets andylockran a sneaky beer.
[19:32]  * jacobw wonders whether KDE support will improve with the OO.o to Libre Office transition
[19:36] <davmor2> jacobw: depends how many kde devs work on the project I quess
[19:38] <jacobw> davmor2: Yeah I think so, I was thinking that perhaps now it will be easier for the KDE devs to get their patches accepted
[19:38] <jacobw> davmor2: I get the impression that KDE integration was never high on the agenda for OO.o
[19:44] <andylockran> I would LOVE a sneaky beer
[19:44] <brobostigon> :)
[19:44] <andylockran> but the good news is that the RAID array is 80% complete!!!
[19:44] <brobostigon> yay
[19:44] <andylockran> It was getting stuck at 67 when in the DC
[19:45] <andylockran> so here's hoping for some good news
[19:45] <andylockran> though if it is a dodgy controller.. I'll have to drive down to Nottingham tonight and pick up our 'spare hardware'
[19:59] <amarcolino> anyone know how to stop /etc/hosts from reverting back to default as I have added my comps to it but on reboot it is gone?
[20:01] <davmor2> amarcolino: did you use sudo to add the things to /etc/hosts and did you use the correct naming format?
[20:02] <amarcolino> davmor2: yes I did I think its because of network manager as I was doing it manually and I am using 8.4
[20:03] <amarcolino> will try editing directly in the network manager and see what happens if it doesn't save after reboot I am out of ideas
[20:04] <davmor2> amarcolino: It should matter NM isn't responsible for /etc/hosts
[20:05] <amarcolino> than I have no clue since editing it manually  doesn't save changes once the machine reboots
[20:06] <davmor2> amarcolino: try using sudo nano /etc/hosts and add 192.168.1.1 router for example then ctrl-x, y to save and then reboot and see if it has saved it this time
[20:09] <amarcolino> how would using nano compared to vi manke nay difference and I use sudo. I think the problem is with NM as I use different profile for my internet and only dhcp has the hosts saved whcih I just checked, when I change to bridge it removes the hosts I saved in the previous profile
[20:09] <amarcolino> I guess a day lost to figure this out, I still find it weird  but their must be a good reason why it works like that
[20:13] <mgdm> popey: got my bit.ly pro account </trivia> :)
[20:14] <popey> yay mgdm
[20:35] <andylockran> wahey - mdadm is actually a clever bit of kit
[20:36] <HazRPG1> Hmmm, I was just checking out http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/ (was reading the minutes from last meeting), you know the flip-down podcast thing wasn't really that obvious
[20:36] <andylockran> two disks fail in an array.. throw a third disk in and ask it to rebuild.  though actually I think it was a badly-seated, rather than failed drive, that caused the problem in the first place.
[20:36] <HazRPG1> I over-looked it several times when viewing the page until someone pointed it out later on in the minutes
[20:37] <HazRPG1> I feel that should be changed - just my 2 pence worth
[20:37] <MooDoo> HazRPG1: yes it was put like that on purpose
[20:37] <HazRPG1> MooDoo: really?
[20:37] <HazRPG1> MooDoo: how come?
[20:38] <HazRPG1> (just realised my nick)
[20:38] <MooDoo> HazRPG1: yes it was done like that so a certain someone would see it and think yuck and create a decent logo, i don't think it's going to be like that when it's released
[20:39] <hazrpg> MooDoo: Ah see I wasn't talking about the logo's design, I just meant that it wasn't entirely obvious that the whole thing did anything until it was pointed out in the minutes.
[20:39] <MooDoo> oh i see
[20:39] <hazrpg> the fold should have a better backdrop on it or something
[20:40] <hazrpg> and possibly in that small section of colour is should have something to show that you should hover over it to see more
[20:40] <hazrpg> s/is/it
[20:42] <hazrpg> MooDoo: for the fold, something like this would be better: http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/53554/53554,1232382022,11/stock-vector-vector-paper-or-metal-with-realistic-corner-fold-or-curl-23547910.jpg
[20:43] <hazrpg> ooo, idea... for the mini-icon in the corner you could have a small version of the headset on there
[20:44] <hazrpg> I just shush now lol
[20:45] <hazrpg> hmmm, pidgin has an update - moment
[20:46] <brobostigon> pidgin for irc, :(
[20:46] <HazRPG> back
[20:46] <amarcolino> I don't know if it is because of chrome but gmail is acting sluggish or maybe its my system
[20:46] <HazRPG> amarcolino: how so?
[20:47] <HazRPG> amarcolino: I'm not experiencing any problems on my end
[20:47] <HazRPG> and I always have gmail open (never close it down)
[20:47] <brobostigon> 10.0.628.0 dev is the chrome version i have here, no problems either.
[20:47] <amarcolino> HazRPG: twice I logged in and it just appeared frozen with the loading indication not actually letting read emails
[20:48] <amarcolino> HazRPG: must be the system will explore in a bit considering I found what I looking for
[20:48] <HazRPG> I'm running chrome 9.0.597.47 beta
[20:48] <amarcolino> HazRPG: naver, you mean never never ever (yet why did I find this funy *sigh*)?
[20:48] <HazRPG> brobostigon: what's the dev version like at the moment?
[20:49] <brobostigon> HazRPG: its working fine, no real issues as yet, that i can find, only some WM switching problems with gnome-shell.
[20:49] <HazRPG> amarcolino: lol, literally NEVER (aside for needing to restart system due to app crash and/or update)
[20:50] <andylockran> any recommendations for a multi-server mail system?
[20:50] <nperry> Need a repo/git expert, I just repo sync'd gingerbread buts its missing a .git/head .. As my internet connecion takes me 3hours to do an inital sync how can I fix
[20:50] <andylockran> postfix can do backup mx easy enough, currently running cyrus-imapd.
[20:51] <HazRPG> brobostigon: ooo, still haven't tried gnome-shell yet
[20:51] <HazRPG> brobostigon: only just heard about it when I was doing a bit of usual oss news research lol
[20:52] <HazRPG> I read somewhere that unity could be a problem for the relationship between gnome and ubuntu?
[20:52] <HazRPG> that news article struck me as odd
[20:52] <brobostigon> HazRPG: it is coming along really well, i can see gnome3 being really good, it does have a few issues though, although mostly it is stable and shows good performance,
[20:53] <amarcolino> HazRPG: very nice I can't do it like you
[20:53] <HazRPG> amarcolino: what was it you found that you were looking for
[20:53] <HazRPG> brobostigon: interesting... does it have similar stuff that KDE introduced in 4.x
[20:54] <HazRPG> never been a fan for KDE, but I did like some of the stuff they added in
[20:54] <amarcolino> HazRPG: for a block control system called pgl
[20:54] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i would say no,although i only last looked at kde for a couple of hours and got very annoyed with it, and gave up.
[20:55] <HazRPG> amarcolino: lol, how'd ya mean?
[20:55] <amarcolino> HazRPG: I have a saved email convo witht he developer talking about it and its benefits compared to moblock
[20:55] <HazRPG> I meant the previous thing you said lol ("very nice I can't do it like you")
[20:56] <HazRPG> mainly cos I don't understand block control systems ^^
[20:56] <amarcolino> HazRPG: I meant keeping the system on all the times specially gmail I use prism to read my gmail and to look at any other website
[20:57] <HazRPG> brobostigon: thus the reason I'm not a huge fan of KDE, it has some cool features - but as a whole it just doesn't seem all there lol.
[20:58] <brobostigon> HazRPG: iwould tend toagree, i  amliking gnome-shell, because in and for gnome3 it will improve alot of things i had issues with, like the workspace manegement,
[20:59] <HazRPG> amarcolino: ah yeah, that's one of mozilla's apps isn't it. I use to use gears by google for the same sort of thing. Now I find it easier just to pin gmail into chrome and leave it running lol.
[20:59] <amarcolino> HazRPG: supposedly keeps certain ips from your system think of it as an extra layer of protection can be a pain but once you set it properly its wonderful, however, I am always suspisious of having a false sense of security. USeful for servers depedning how much you value your data
[20:59] <HazRPG> amarcolino: I find my systems last longer when I don't turn the things off lol.
[20:59] <livingdaylight> what color is a brown bug?
[20:59] <livingdaylight> what continent is South Africa in?
[21:00] <amarcolino> HazRPG: yeah I like it specially how it look good on my panel which is acting like a dock
[21:00] <HazRPG> amarcolino: I tend to be working on a project, and rather keep the folders/apps/etc open (saving before hand) and walking away from the computer then actually turn it off...
[21:00] <livingdaylight> why aren't the questions on who want to be a millionaire that easy?
[21:00] <amarcolino> livingdaylight: because than I would be on the show
[21:00] <Azelphur> I'm having theme problems with gnome-settings-daemon again :(
[21:00] <amarcolino> livingdaylight: I thought those were capture questions at first
[21:01] <Azelphur> some stuff is themed, some stuff is half themed
[21:01] <HazRPG> amarcolino: ah, I get you now.
[21:01] <amarcolino> HazRPG: why not make use of the shutdown command?
[21:01] <livingdaylight> amarcolino, they are in a way... first time I encountered flood-bot
[21:02] <livingdaylight> they're questions to ensure one is a human and not a spam-bot
[21:02] <HazRPG> amarcolino: Computers break faster the more you turn them off, you never see a server randomly doing unexpected things after several years of being left on ^^
[21:03] <amarcolino> I really need to get a spellchecker in irssi
[21:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ralph Janke] AskUbuntu reaches 6000 questions - 13000 answers - 8000 users - 60000 votes - http://drupal.txwikinger.me.uk/content/askubuntu-reaches-6000-questions-13000-answers-8000-users-60000-votes
[21:03] <HazRPG> brobostigon: heh, funny you should say that I tend to have trouble with that too.
[21:04]  * HazRPG grabs a chocolate finger and eats it
[21:04] <brobostigon> HazRPG: gnome3 willmake big improvements with gnome-shell onthat front,
[21:04] <amarcolino> livingdaylight: really, I think you'd one of the few people to not have  been caught by it so far
[21:04] <HazRPG> brobostigon: sounds like it :P
[21:04] <brobostigon> HazRPG: try it out, see whatyou think.
[21:05] <HazRPG> brobostigon: I think I might have to ^^
[21:05] <livingdaylight> amarcolino, first time ever just now. Has flood-bot been going for a while?
[21:05] <HazRPG> I'm guessing you can pick whether you run in gnome-shell or gnome2 in the usual way right?
[21:06] <amarcolino> HazRPG: you make a point, wether its valid I wouldn't know, on the plus side your electricity provider must like you a lot
[21:06] <brobostigon> HazRPG: its either metacity as the WM, or gnome-shell.
[21:06] <livingdaylight> is there a particular way of uninstalling an Adobe app, like Spaz for twitter, other than just finding and removing the folder?
[21:06] <HazRPG> brobostigon: you knew what I meant :P
[21:07] <brobostigon> HazRPG: :)
[21:07] <HazRPG> <[21:07] <HazRPG> got a deadline for a booking system at the end of the month
[21:07] <amarcolino> livingdaylight: yes I've been hit twice or three times at first thougt I was in the wrong place and became frantic
[21:07] <Azelphur> anyone? this is really rather ugly :(
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: the theme thing?
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: switching to metacity and logging back in didn't do the trick?
[21:09] <Azelphur> relogging solved it before but now it doesn't
[21:09] <HazRPG> and have a meeting on Friday morning (urgh... mornings) to show progress so far, but you know what designers are like 'if you can't see it, its not really there :/' type attitude
[21:09] <amarcolino> just looked at the beta site, eeergh what is that thing in the top-right-corner will it be changed?
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: need to figure out why it's happening...
[21:09] <Azelphur> indeed
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: are you running natty?
[21:09] <Azelphur> nope
[21:09] <Azelphur> 10.10
[21:09] <HazRPG> amarcolino: I was talking about that before :P
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: still nothing in .xsession-errors that could explain it?
[21:10] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS, I restarted gnome-session-daemon a bunch of times
[21:10] <Azelphur> and it's made improvements
[21:10]  * brobostigon reflashes ipopey with android
[21:10] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS, nope :(
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: do you have a custom theme set up?
[21:11] <ipopey> Evening
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: try removing any ~/.gtkrc (like) files from ~
[21:11] <Azelphur> yes but the same thing happens with normal themes
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> eyepopey
[21:11] <brobostigon> evening popey
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1575703 ?
[21:11] <amarcolino> HazRPG: wat did they tell you?
[21:12] <MooDoo> hello popey
[21:12] <HazRPG> anyone been experiencing problems with 10.10? Such as random freezes when left unattended for a while?
[21:12] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: I've seen it happen on machines with nvidia video drivers and 3d-intensive screensavers
[21:13] <MartijnVdS> any specific machine this is happening on?
[21:13] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS, dunno
[21:13] <Azelphur> I managed to get it working by restarting gnome-settings-daemon
[21:13] <Azelphur> so it's clearly something intermittent with that
[21:13] <Azelphur> it works fine once I've got it running once
[21:13] <HazRPG> amarcolino: MooDoo said that its done like that on purpose so that someone might design a new logo for it. I mentioned that the fold doesn't make it appear completely obvious that anything was there (or at least to me anyways) and that a mini-logo should be placed in the corner
[21:13] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: yes, but it crashed for a reason -- check dmesg for the "segfault" messages
[21:13] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS, it didn't crash
[21:13] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: strange
[21:13] <Azelphur> it was and still is running
[21:13] <Azelphur> when it crashes it resets your entire theme
[21:14] <Azelphur> but with me I only get certain unthemed elements
[21:14] <Azelphur> eg one button on the panel will be themed while another isn't
[21:14] <MartijnVdS> maybe a part of it crashed? (I see "scim-bridge" in the forum posts)
[21:14] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: its running on an old P4 machine, with the gnome feet screensaver - doesn't have nvidia graphics card because it's a horizontal desktop (all built-in style one from like years past)
[21:14] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[21:14] <Azelphur> next time it happens I'll start rooting around log files
[21:15] <Azelphur> for now...my new PC works yay :)
[21:15] <Azelphur> time for some benchmarking.
[21:15] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: in fact, graphical effects are turned off completely so that it doesn't lag out
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: could be broken hardware if it's p4
[21:16] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: hmmm, shouldn't be it was running fine under XP until now - I just put ubuntu on it because my sister only uses it for check e-mails and facebook, thought XP was a bit over-kill for it lol
[21:16] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS, haha, just opened nautilus
[21:16] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: you could try an overnight memory check (from the startup menu)
[21:16] <Azelphur> it's not themed at all \o/
[21:17] <Azelphur> xchat is, gnome-panel is, nautilus nope.
[21:17] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/500417
[21:17] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: might try that, problem sort of started just after she set it to the gnome feet screensaver so I might turn it off too
[21:17] <Azelphur> haha
[21:18] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS, but if I kill gnome-settings-daemon it'll no doubt come to life again
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: what kind of graphics does it have? (which chipset)
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: (if you don't know, please put the output of lspci on pastebin)
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: I'd assume gnome-session would respawn it, yes
[21:18] <HazRPG> should be intel if I recall
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: Intel made graphics chips in the p4 age?!
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> please check :)
[21:18] <HazRPG> lol will do :P
[21:19] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS, yea, so if I restart gnome-settings-daemon it fixes itself
[21:19] <Azelphur> and then it'll drop out in some other area.
[21:19] <Azelphur> it's like intermittant theming faults all over the place
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: try finding a bug for it on launchpad
[21:20] <HazRPG> 82865G integrated graphics controller
[21:20] <HazRPG> intel*
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> ah the old 8xx series
[21:20] <Azelphur> bit difficult to describe the issue well enough to google it :S
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> that might be your problem right there.. they're not known for stability
[21:20] <Azelphur> I might head to gnome irc and bug people
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: gtk (or gnome) theme reverts :)
[21:21] <Azelphur> yea those are all bugs for gnome-settings-daemon crashing though
[21:21] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: ahh, hmmm... any workarounds for it?
[21:21] <Azelphur> which it isn't, and my entire theme doesn't revert
[21:21] <amarcolino> HazRPG: hopefully someone will design something better for the moment I suggest leaving it out, its the odd element on the page
[21:21] <Azelphur> only certain controls
[21:21] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: plug in a PCI/AGP/PCIe (whichever applies) card and use that
[21:22] <amarcolino> what is the difference between asking for help here compared to the main channel?
[21:22] <Azelphur> we're cooler
[21:22]  * Azelphur runs
[21:22] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I would (have several cards lying around in boxes), but its an awkward case to put anything into it
[21:23] <HazRPG> the size isn't a standard height, so its hard to find anything that'll actually go in there lol
[21:24] <HazRPG> it was an old school computer that was getting its usual 3-5 years computer replacement, and my friend who works in the IT dept. told me about it, I asked him to ask the managers if I could take a few - and they said yeah sure :p
[21:26] <HazRPG> people always make fun of me for collecting bits of hardware that no one wants (and still work), yet they always seem to turn to me when something goes wrong and need parts xD
[21:27] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: thanks for the heads up though, I'll see if I can get it resolved somehow - for now I'm going to try turning the screensaver back to blank and see if that shows a temp solution.
[21:27] <Azelphur> 112108 frames in 5.0 seconds = 22421.527 FPS
[21:27] <Azelphur> \m/
[21:27] <Azelphur> glxgears :p
[21:28] <ipopey> ...is not a benchmark.
[21:28] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: might do an over-night mem test too
[21:28] <Azelphur> ipopey, but it was fun :(
[21:28]  * brobostigon wonders if he can root ipopey ?
[21:29] <ipopey> Not from there
[21:29] <brobostigon> :(
[21:29] <ipopey> Not that it needs it
[21:30] <HazRPG> amarcolino: agreed
[21:30] <brobostigon> :)
[21:30] <Azelphur> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/January%202011/IMG_20110111_212431.jpg
[21:30] <Azelphur> are we fast yet ;)
[21:30] <amarcolino> HazRPG: I do that as well I collect hardware, old comps, bits & bobs here and their
[21:30] <amarcolino> there*
[21:30] <AlanBell> Azelphur: try this one . . .
[21:31] <AlanBell> time echo "scale=5000; 4*a(1)" | bc -l -q
[21:31] <HazRPG> Azelphur: I've always thought bottom-mounted PSU's are counter productive (heat distro wise)
[21:31] <HazRPG> amarcolino: haha, its great isn't it :P
[21:31] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:31] <HazRPG> I always have a spare machine for testing things on :P
[21:32] <amarcolino> HazRPG: yup :D
[21:32] <brobostigon> me eeepc is probebly as testing as it could be, debian sid,with experimental repos.
[21:33] <HazRPG> amarcolino: I think in the garage I have PC's ranging from P2 to Core 2 Duo... several keyboards and mice, RAM, HDD's of all sizes, etc
[21:33] <brobostigon> its definatly interesting,
[21:33] <HazRPG> brobostigon: hehe nice
[21:34] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i have had this setup for months with no problems now, even though debian call it their unstable version,
[21:35] <ipopey> Azelphur: Try this http://www.hantslug.org.uk/wiki/HugoRandomBenchmark
[21:35] <brobostigon> HazRPG: only problem i had was whenrunning kde.
[21:35] <Azelphur> ipopey, 4.5 real
[21:35] <Azelphur> I'm not overclocked yet
[21:36] <Azelphur> that puts me third on the list, woot :D
[21:36] <HazRPG> brobostigon: that's the thing though, even though they're classed as unstable - people don't try to code to make things broken on purpose - its usually minor bugs here n there that only a few would notice
[21:36] <ipopey> :)
[21:36] <czajkowski> evening
[21:37] <Azelphur> real	0m4.592s || user	0m4.580s || sys	0m0.000s
[21:37] <Azelphur> yup, we're fast now :D
[21:37] <czajkowski> sleep works wonders, as does tea and toast
[21:37] <ipopey> Add it to the list
[21:37] <amarcolino> HazRPG: where you get the coreduos for me its the old types p3/p4
[21:37] <ipopey> It's a wiki :)
[21:37] <brobostigon> HazRPG: agreed, its only when something goes wildly wrong for a verysmall amount of people, it fails, very little otherwise, does it fail.
[21:37] <Azelphur> haha, why is deep thought on the list
[21:38] <amarcolino> weird I am seen as a guest in #ubuntu
[21:38] <ipopey> A joke
[21:38] <ipopey> Yay czajkowski
[21:39] <HazRPG> amarcolino: the core 2 duo is from my old setup, along with one of the P4's I have.
[21:39] <HazRPG> amarcolino: because I just recently upgraded to an i7
[21:39] <HazRPG> you know what I don't think I have an p3
[21:40] <HazRPG> I have a p2, and several p4's though
[21:40] <HazRPG> and an AMD one that one of my friends donated me because he didn't know what to do with it
[21:41] <HazRPG> brobostigon: heh, just noticed your KDE comment - I find with the unstable KDE's, that many things seem to be broken because they forget to take out or change some dependencies or deprecated libraries
[21:42] <HazRPG> brobostigon: all depends on the coders working on the project, I prefer gnome's style
[21:42] <zleap> 1 anyone noticed todays date 11 01 11 :)
[21:43] <ipopey> Yup
[21:43] <zleap> :)
[21:43] <ipopey> I noticed at 11:01 :)
[21:43] <amarcolino> HazRPG: nice collection I got a three dells, which have been with me for over a month and haven't been colected not sure if they will be, wondering to myself if it means they are now mine? Would come in handy when I attempt to mess around with eucalyptus
[21:43] <zleap> i noticed when i got my bus ticket earlier
[21:43] <brobostigon> HazRPG: kde seemed to run fine, i justhad problems using it, more than anything else. not with anything else really.
[21:43] <Azelphur> added myself \o/
[21:43] <ipopey> Nice one
[21:44] <HazRPG> zleap: if you add two 00's in front of the 11 01 11, it's the ASCII code for 7 in text
[21:44] <Azelphur> my next thing will be to add water cooling
[21:44] <Azelphur> and over clock to at the very least 4ghz
[21:44] <zleap> ohh cool
[21:44] <Azelphur> :)
[21:45] <zleap> 00110111
[21:46] <HazRPG> brobostigon: ahh lol
[21:46] <HazRPG> amarcolino: nice, hopefully they will be :P
[21:47] <HazRPG> amarcolino: mine are usually custom-builds that people just didn't want anymore
[21:47] <HazRPG> or one's I picked up from the school that were getting thrown out - along with other bits of hardware
[21:47] <brobostigon> HazRPG: it just didnt seem to work in a natural way for me,
[21:48] <HazRPG> they said I was allowed 4 PC's, monitors, keyboard and mice - but I could take apart as many as I could and rip them of parts in the space of 2hrs (because that's when they were going to be collected as I got there)
[21:48] <HazRPG> brobostigon: KDE never seems to for me either
[21:48] <HazRPG> brobostigon: I always find their GUI looks a bit off sometimes too
[21:49] <HazRPG> one of my pet peeves is for buttons and textboxes to get a random dotted outline on them - it just irritates me to see it
[21:50] <HazRPG> always did a format of windows whenever it started doing it, and KDE seems to have it in as standard for some obscure reason
[21:50] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i cant explain it in those terms, it just didnt work in a way, i would naturally thinkabout using it.
[21:50] <livingdaylight> very disappointed with Twitter: succumbing to pressure to hand over information to us authorities
[21:52] <HazRPG> brobostigon: you know what I mean though, that awkward dotted outline that always appears on "highlighted" objects
[21:52] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i dont remember, sorry.
[21:53] <HazRPG> esp when it does a different colour around the object too - you really don't need both, one or the other would suffice - but that might just be me getting OSD in my old age lol
[21:53] <HazRPG> OCD* even
[21:53] <amarcolino> HazRPG: lucky you the last time I asked a school they had entered a sort of agreement to recycle their comps or soemthing, it is good but I still thought f*
[21:54] <amarcolino> HazRPG: hah four pc but you could rip as many as you wantedwhy not just give them instead of imposing the hassle
[21:54] <brobostigon> HazRPG: that seems more  like a window toolkit problem, than the WM, a different window manager shouldnt ithink, change how elements in windows behave,
[21:55] <HazRPG> amarcolino: same reason you mentioned above lol, they were entered into a recycling agreement
[21:56] <HazRPG> amarcolino: I was amused being sat in a tin-box full of old servers and computers ripping them to bits lol
[21:56] <HazRPG> felt like being 10 years old again, and just been handed a screw driver and some toys xD
[21:57] <HazRPG> brobostigon: true... but doesn't the WM still define how objects are made?
[21:57] <amarcolino> HazRPG: im still waiting for someone to throw away an actual server, not that I am complaining with what I am using now and lol to that vivd description, I guess that's how it is
[21:58] <brobostigon> HazRPG: not sure, how objects are drawn,ithinkis xorg's job.
[21:59] <HazRPG> brobostigon: possibly, but I'm sure the WM still defines the outlines, and the general size/resize/etc of stuff
[21:59] <HazRPG> I mean xorg is still the same regardless of whether you use gnome or kde
[22:00] <brobostigon> HazRPG: maybe, worth futther research,
[22:00] <HazRPG> amarcolino: ^^
[22:00] <HazRPG> amarcolino: you can buy a cheap server from DELL directly every season change
[22:00] <HazRPG> "summer sale", "winter sale", etc
[22:01] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: mid-season sale
[22:01]  * MartijnVdS doesn't believe in "sale" anymore ;)
[22:01] <HazRPG> I stand corrected :P
[22:01] <HazRPG> I think until 27th of jan, you can get a Dell server as cheap as £200
[22:02] <HazRPG> I bought one several years ago (similar model to the one priced as low as £200) and its still running a treat
[22:02] <amarcolino> HazRPG: wasn't aware of that, I really should explore more
[22:03] <AlanBell> does KVM do some kind of magical something to make virtual machines faster than the host?
[22:03] <HazRPG> I always keep an eye out for hardware prices, esp server stuff - because I like learning about server o/s's and apps
[22:03] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: it's a kind of magic *click* *click*
[22:04] <AlanBell> if I do :time echo "scale=5000; 4*a(1)" | bc -l -q
[22:04] <AlanBell> it takes 28 seconds in a VM or 40 seconds on the host
[22:04] <amarcolino> AlanBell thanks for mention kvm, would xen work on any machine (kvm isn't supported), what would be the requirements for using xen with ubuntu?
[22:04] <HazRPG> heh, sorry its £269: http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/topics/promo.aspx/promocompare?c=uk&cs=ukbsdt1&l=en&s=bsd&~tab=4
[22:04] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: in one case, the kernel sees a huge process eating CPU
[22:05] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: in another, it sees.. bc doing the same
[22:05] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[22:05] <MartijnVdS> it might still be a scheduler thing
[22:05] <AlanBell> yup, I am freaked out by this
[22:05] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: is the hostname "tardis.something"
[22:05] <AlanBell> amarcolino: you need the VT extensions or you are back to emulated CPU or something
[22:05] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: why don't you believe in sales?
[22:06] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: it should be
[22:06] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: They're always having sales with "x% off" everywhere
[22:06] <HazRPG> or the very fact of a sale doesn't stand for what they use to be anymore?
[22:06] <amarcolino> HazRPG: looking at the starter server from dell and it ocmes with windows, hmmm, wouldn't be a problem if I actually knew how to use it, where is the linux version (if their is one)?
[22:06] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: you never see things offered for the "real" price, only discounted :)
[22:07] <HazRPG> amarcolino: you can have it without windows when you customise it, or you can add money to get linux on it
[22:07] <amarcolino> AlanBell: no vt, would it under perform that much using emulation I will have to use xen with eucalyptus so would like to get a grasp of what I need
[22:08] <HazRPG> but its Redhat and SuSE server's... so there's a licence fee attached to them
[22:08] <AlanBell> amarcolino: no vt==no eucalyptus
[22:08] <AlanBell> however I don't believe you when you say it has no VT
[22:09] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: agreed, sales are always on a constant cycle now too - so its too predictable now too
[22:09] <amarcolino> HazRPG: "add money to get linux on it" that should be a free option, will look at the site and see what it offers and will look at your link
[22:10] <HazRPG> the link is to the offers for the servers
[22:10] <ipopey> amarcolino: Phone dell up and they will usually sell it to you with Linux or clean
[22:10] <amarcolino> AlanBell: NOOOooo, being seriously you just took the fun out of that guess VB or a cluster it is, might as wlel put these machines into use instead of gathering dust
[22:11] <amarcolino> ipopey: thanks for that info
[22:11] <HazRPG> btw, for all the ones on the site you can pick "no operating system" and it will deduct the value of the O/S from it
[22:12] <HazRPG> amarcolino: It should be, except Red Hat and SuSE have enterprise versions of the O/S which require a licence to get support from them - sure you can download a free version, but it won't include all the stuff in the paid one, plus you won't get any (or minimal) support for using them
[22:13] <HazRPG> which is why I always get a clean no o/s one and just put any I want onto it
[22:13] <HazRPG> debian or ubuntu server is a good starting point
[22:14] <HazRPG> regardless of whether you get an o/s or not installed, you still get a stack of CD's with drivers for most O/S's and also a quick install boot CD thing
[22:15] <HazRPG> its quite awesome, you load that disc in, and then stores the whole CD straight onto the hard drive and boots from it - so the install time gets drastically reduced
[22:16] <HazRPG> (stores the O/S CD your trying to install I mean)
[22:16] <HazRPG> or something like that - that's my understand of how it works at least
[22:17] <HazRPG> all I know is it took like 3 minutes to install windows 2003 server onto mine when I used that disc instead of 30mins lol
[22:18] <amarcolino> HazRPG: I've been with ubuntu for a long time even knowing only no so long ago i've been working with the server edition, no help their just me with a lot of patience, may not be the best but it works
[22:18] <livingdaylight> how does one remove a directory?
[22:18] <hamitron> loose graphics cards make pretty patterns \o/
[22:18] <hamitron> rmdir if it is empty
[22:19] <hamitron> but I tend to just use rm -rf
[22:20] <ipopey> Click on it and press delete, or drag it to the rubbish bin
[22:21] <hamitron> oh yeh, there is a GUI ;)
[22:24]  * HazRPG has a sudden urge to facepalm
[22:24] <HazRPG> amarcolino: know what you mean
[22:25] <HazRPG> its not that hard to install an O/S anyways, I tend to prefer to install an O/S myself regardless
[22:25] <HazRPG> every laptop I've ever owned, I've only ran the OEM version of the O/S for like 5-10 mins at a time to make sure everything is working before doing a format to it lol
[22:26] <HazRPG> can't stand pre-installed crap
[22:26] <amarcolino> HazRPG: the only problem with dell not sure if they do it on their servers, but they do it on their comps is the amount of rubbish software they preinstall
[22:26] <hamitron> I got a dell vostro without much crapware...
[22:27] <amarcolino> HazRPG: I do format the comps I get once i verify that is working
[22:28] <HazRPG> hamitron: I can guarantee that a clean install will still be better, most likely will run a lot less processes running in the background too
[22:28] <hamitron> it is only the accounts department who use it, so I don't worry whilest there are no complaints ;)
[22:28] <HazRPG> amarcolino: I think the only other thing I tend to do is note down the hardware just in case I need to find them later lol
[22:29] <HazRPG> ah so it was bought for business purposes, prob why it has less crapware lol
[22:29] <HazRPG> if its bought for home, they tend to pile it on thick
[22:30] <hamitron> I can imagine, it was advertised as crapware free
[22:30] <HazRPG> :P
[22:30] <amarcolino> HazRPG: only thing I don't dothat , I've gotten into the habbit of saving the drivers once I find them got them in folders named as the computer model(s)
[22:30] <hamitron> when they first released the vostro range, that was one of the huge selling points
[22:30] <HazRPG> haha I do that
[22:31] <HazRPG> hamitron: I can imagine ^^
[22:31] <HazRPG> amarcolino: got a folder for each of the computers I have lying around in the house ^^
[22:31] <hamitron> do you guys delete folders of drivers when the part breaks?
[22:32] <HazRPG> only if I have another one lying around the house that's similar, or I know friends who own them too
[22:32] <hamitron> I was thinking of doing so, but now wonder if I should keep them in case someone ever finds it hard to get the drivers I have
[22:32] <hamitron> :/
[22:33] <amarcolino> hamitron: nope just keep them on the external drive, that is why it is their for, things go in and rarely get deleted
[22:33] <HazRPG> I have folders for my friends hardware that I'm constantly having to fix too - that way it makes my job easier the next time round ^^
[22:33] <amarcolino> HazRPG: I do that :D still charge the same :(
[22:33] <HazRPG> :P
[22:33] <amarcolino> dam how do I do a shy emoticon
[22:34] <amarcolino> I mean blushing
[22:34] <ali1234> *-.-*
[22:34] <HazRPG> so you should, its still your time/resources at the end of the day
[22:34] <HazRPG> or :$
[22:34] <amarcolino> ali1234 to the rescue
[22:35] <HazRPG> (*','*) would be better lol
[22:35] <HazRPG> at least that way its smiling :P
[22:35] <amarcolino> HazRPG: yes it is and some of the comps I had to look at took hours to find the actual drivers, its one thing to pop the livecd in, lspci/lshw than look for the drivers
[22:35] <amarcolino> you people crack me up with your emoticons
[22:35] <hamitron> does one wait for sandybridge or just buy a cheap i3? ;/
[22:36] <HazRPG> hamitron: depends, do you want to buy sandcastles or a computer :P?
[22:36] <hamitron> ;/
[22:37] <hamitron> 8 virtual cores is just like, orgasmic
[22:37] <HazRPG> some of the sandybridge CPU's are out now you know :P
[22:37] <amarcolino> discusting in a good way
[22:38] <HazRPG> amarcolino: holy crap, I never thought of doing it that way
[22:38] <amarcolino> /discusting/>/absurd/
[22:38] <HazRPG> <== feels like a noob right now
[22:38] <HazRPG> (despite knowing those commands)
[22:38] <amarcolino> I was talking about the eight virtual cores
[22:39] <HazRPG> (and always has a pendrive/cd with ubuntu on)
[22:39] <hamitron> out now, but beyond my budget
[22:39] <hamitron> :)
[22:39] <HazRPG> hamitron: i7's aren't that bad you know
[22:39] <HazRPG> I've got an i7-930
[22:40] <hamitron> I am tempted with a Intel Core i3 550 3.2GHz
[22:40] <amarcolino> HazRPG: how would you go about looking for the drivers, I don't know how much time the livecd has saved me identifying the hardware
[22:40] <exobuzz> popey, maverick/mint/jolicloud got some "minorish" updates..
[22:41] <HazRPG> amarcolino: always do it based on the hardware info from windows
[22:41] <exobuzz> popey, joggler images of course.
[22:41] <popey> nice one exobuzz
[22:42] <HazRPG> amarcolino: e.g. my network currently under windows is: VEN_10EC&DEV_8167
[22:42] <amarcolino> HazRPG: never tried that way, I forgot windows does have that
[22:42] <exobuzz> popey, i need a blog really.. rather than going on irc to mention it :)
[22:42] <HazRPG> putting that in google will eventually lead to the driver (depending on how rare it is)
[22:43] <HazRPG> there's a website somewhere which can tell you what the vendor and model is based on those figures
[22:43] <HazRPG> however linux tells you exactly what stuff is usually without having to go on the internet
[22:44] <amarcolino> HazRPG: oh didn't know that, tried finding those types of sites its either attempts me to download their so called software or I get malware warnings
[22:44] <HazRPG> totally making a mental note on that one
[22:44] <ali1234> RTL-8110SC/8169SC Gigabit Ethernet
[22:44] <ali1234> you can thank me later
[22:44] <ali1234> http://pci-ids.ucw.cz/read/PC/10ec/8167
[22:44] <HazRPG> haha well done
[22:44] <HazRPG> knew someone would google it ^^
[22:45] <HazRPG> that's exactly what the card is ;)
[22:45] <hamitron> someone talk me out of this http://www.ebuyer.com/product/200934
[22:45] <hamitron> :/
[22:46] <exobuzz> yeh
[22:46] <amarcolino> HazRPG: never mind I once tried to figure out how to change the name of the admin user in windows 7 only to figure out later it would be easier to make a new admin user and delete the previous, problem solved. Don't know why the simplest things can be the hardest
[22:46] <exobuzz> get 1155 i5-2500k sandy bridge
[22:46] <hamitron> I should wait and get an i7
[22:46] <HazRPG> hamitron: don't do it!
[22:46] <exobuzz> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/251596
[22:46] <amarcolino> ^ funny
[22:46] <exobuzz> thats what you want
[22:47] <HazRPG> hamitron: I had to send back 3 motherboard and CPU's which used the 1156 socket, before going "sod this for a game of soldiers" and ended up getting an i7 instead
[22:47] <ali1234> wait for amd bulldozer
[22:47] <exobuzz> and a new mb of course
[22:47] <ali1234> hyperthreading sucks
[22:47] <HazRPG> 1366 socket
[22:47] <hamitron> at £185, I'd rather spend £235 for the i7 with ht
[22:48] <exobuzz> you can get em for a little less than ebuyer
[22:48] <hamitron> yeh, I was just using ebuyer to get a rough estimate
[22:48] <hamitron> :)
[22:49] <HazRPG> is it the i7-950 you'd go for like?
[22:49] <exobuzz> new i7 unlocked one is £275
[22:49] <HazRPG> cos I'm running the i7-930 with no issues
[22:49] <exobuzz> but i dont think its going to be a lot faster than the i5 for most stuff
[22:49] <HazRPG> which is £211 on ebuyer
[22:49] <HazRPG> exobuzz: what do you plan to do with it?
[22:49] <hamitron> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/252536
[22:50] <exobuzz> HazRPG, dunno. but i just bought one yesterday
[22:50] <exobuzz> compile kernels
[22:50] <exobuzz> :)
[22:50] <exobuzz> hamitron, yeh. got a locked multipler but still fast..
[22:51] <hamitron> ali1234: you wouldn't bother with HT?
[22:51] <exobuzz> i bought a h67 mb anyway which means i cant use the unlocked multiple anyway
[22:51] <hamitron> I never overclock
[22:51] <hamitron> :)
[22:51] <HazRPG> hamitron: what do you plan to do with yours?
[22:51] <exobuzz> but then only the K chips had the intel hd 3000 graphics
[22:51] <hamitron> but the better i7 does have better onchip graphics
[22:51] <exobuzz> intel are playing silly buggers
[22:51] <hamitron> :/
[22:51] <exobuzz> hamitron, same as the i5 K edition
[22:51] <hamitron> I plan to play games
[22:51] <hamitron> ;)
[22:51] <ali1234> i had a chip with hyperthreading, it doesn't do much...
[22:52] <ali1234> it's certainly nothing like 2x as fast
[22:52] <HazRPG> hamitron: then go for the i7 ;)
[22:52] <hamitron> then later I will get a newer gaming rig and use it for crunching
[22:52] <ali1234> i suspect sometimes it is actually worse
[22:52] <HazRPG> hamitron: cos if your gaming, you'll have a dedicated graphics card - so you'll never see the benefit of having an on-board gfx chip on the CPU
[22:53] <hamitron> the i3 3.2ghz is about half the price...
[22:53] <HazRPG> or rather GPU on the CPU I mean
[22:53] <hamitron> 2 real cores, with ht
[22:53] <exobuzz> hamitron, the i7-2600 has the slower gpu
[22:53] <exobuzz> th K has the faster
[22:53] <exobuzz> which is not £234
[22:53] <ali1234> speaking of crunching
[22:53] <exobuzz> sorry. could have put that on 1 line
[22:54] <exobuzz> hamitron, http://www.intel.com/support/processors/sb/CS-031174.htm
[22:54] <brobostigon> http://www.osnews.com/story/24243/Google_To_Drop_H264_Support_from_Chrome :)
[22:54] <hamitron> brobostigon: for what?
[22:54] <ali1234> does anyone happen to know how nyquist limits apply to digital data on an analogue baseband with frequency slightly below the original digital signal such that the bits get "blurred" - and how i might go about recovering the signal using van cittert deconvolution?
[22:55] <HazRPG> hamitron: http://www.pcupgrade.co.uk/productdetails.asp?productid=8918&categoryid=542
[22:55] <exobuzz> this is why its silly. K series has better graphics. for h67 chipset. but also unlocked clock, not usable so far on h67 chipset. K series has better gpu not usable on p67 chipset, which can do the overclocking
[22:55] <HazRPG> ah wait, that's ex vat
[22:55] <amarcolino> ali1234: uni assignment? No I would have no clue
[22:55] <ali1234> amarcolino: no, it's just for fun
[22:55] <brobostigon> hamitron: for using an oss codec,webm, insted of h264 a msaaivly closed format.
[22:55] <hamitron> I can't load webpages with throttled internet :/
[22:56] <hamitron> ah, ok
[22:56] <ali1234> i'm not sure if it's even possible
[22:56] <amarcolino> ali1234: if that is the case don't let me interrupt you, please continue
[22:56] <jacobw> you should ask in #debian :)
[22:56] <hamitron> I don't want tripple channel memory ;/
[22:56] <amarcolino> ali1234: I don't even knwo what you are talking about
[22:57] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well.
[22:57] <ali1234> imagine you take a picture of a barcode and the picture is really blurry. i mean *really* blurry such that some parts are just solid grey
[22:58] <ali1234> can you get back the original barcode?
[22:58] <HazRPG> hamitron: triple channel memory, is compatible with dual channel memory ^^
[22:58] <HazRPG> or rather the other way round
[22:58] <hamitron> the motherboards cost too much
[22:59] <HazRPG> if you buy a dual channel memory, the motherboard will use them as such - even though it can have triple
[22:59] <hamitron> at least the ones I priced
[22:59] <moreati> ali1234: no would be my guess. If you want a reliable answer, try and do it.
[22:59] <moreati> ali1234: no would be my guess. If you want a reliable answer, try and do it.
[22:59] <ali1234> i have been trying it. from a simple 50% threshold i can read back about 40% of the data reliably
[22:59]  * moreati hangs head in shame for douvle post
[22:59] <exobuzz> my new setup cost £570 including 24" monitor..
[23:00] <exobuzz> not bad really. no separate gpu though. going to try the built in one
[23:00] <ali1234> so i'm thinking more advanced algorithms should be better... see... thegrey bits are never more than 2 pixels long - so we know it's either 10 or 01 :)
[23:00] <hamitron> I got a gts450
[23:00] <hamitron> :)
[23:00] <HazRPG> hamitron: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/241996 <== that's the one I'm running
[23:00] <exobuzz> wait.. £620. i forgot the case. but still ok
[23:00] <amarcolino> ali1234: I think partially if you got the tools but I ain't an expert also don't work for any police forensic department to tell you for sure (thank god for csi :p)
[23:00] <ali1234> actually since it's not really a barcode - just very similar - i should probably look at how barcode reading software does it
[23:01] <hamitron> there is a 1156 motherboard that takes my PSU :)
[23:01] <hamitron> save my 65 quid
[23:01] <hamitron> me*
[23:01] <HazRPG> exobuzz: do ya really need a new case? I've been using the same case for 7 years now xD
[23:01] <exobuzz> HazRPG, yeh coz i got a laptop now :)
[23:01] <HazRPG> no one will ever make me part my Shark case :P
[23:02] <exobuzz> heh
[23:02] <hamitron> £155 on a motherboard? :|
[23:02] <exobuzz> popey, do you use this btw? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ECnN7jdgA4 :)
[23:03] <HazRPG> hamitron: that's not bad considering my Core 2 Duo motherboard cost me £230 back in the day
[23:03] <hamitron> mine cost £32
[23:03] <hamitron> ;/
[23:03] <HazRPG> hamitron: I buy good, so that I don't have to worry several years down the line
[23:04] <amarcolino> I think i've reached a point where I have to get my cli display just the way I want and no compromises, it might be a syndrome I wonder if it can get me days off work
[23:04] <hamitron> HazRPG: I never worry, if you knew some of the comps I use.... ;)
[23:04] <HazRPG> hamitron: do tell :P
[23:04] <exobuzz> HazRPG, ouch. must be a nice mb though eh :)
[23:05] <HazRPG> exobuzz: haha it was a beaut. :P
[23:05] <hamitron> I was using my P120 and K6-2 500MHz a hour ago :/
[23:06] <exobuzz> i wonder does it matter i bought an atx case but a microatx board. i mean it will fit i checked, but maybe you get more stuff with a bigger mb for similar price ?
[23:06] <exobuzz> more slots etc i guess. not that i need them but
[23:06] <hamitron> more pci slots normally
[23:06] <HazRPG> exobuzz: it depends on what you plan to do with it really lol
[23:06] <HazRPG> or pci-e
[23:06] <hamitron> I personally like to add as many cards as technically possible ;)
[23:06] <exobuzz> HazRPG, just.. usual dev stuff. not really games and so on. just cpu ram and a hd needed really
[23:07] <exobuzz> hamitron, i do that with my a4000 but not really ever owned a pc tower..
[23:07] <exobuzz> as a main machine.
[23:07] <hamitron> I still use 2 x voodoo2 :/
[23:07] <HazRPG> exobuzz: so not an awful lot of expandability needed then? Then an MicroATX should be fine
[23:08] <hamitron> they just look impressive, taking the full depth of the case
[23:08] <HazRPG> you only really need a bigger board if you want more RAM slots, PCI, PCI-E, etc
[23:08] <exobuzz> i got 4 ram slots and i bought 2x4gb.. even though i 4gb would be fine probably.
[23:08] <hamitron> 16Gb is the limit for win7 home?
[23:09] <exobuzz> current machine only recently upgraded to 2gb.. was on 1gb some weeks back
[23:09] <HazRPG> hamitron: I do that too, have too many cards plugged into mine xD
[23:09] <ali1234> hamitron: windows memory limits are complicated: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
[23:09] <ali1234> 16gb for win7 home premium 64 bit
[23:10] <exobuzz> one thing even with a new fast pc.. flash on linux will still be sh*t
[23:10] <ali1234> true
[23:10] <hamitron> who used flash? ;/
[23:10] <hamitron> uses*
[23:10] <ali1234> but that's because flash is hammering the graphics bus
[23:10] <exobuzz> adobe..
[23:10] <exobuzz> bbc
[23:11] <exobuzz> thats it.
[23:11] <amarcolino> I still don't understand why flash would underperform in linux
[23:11] <hamitron> and banners
[23:11] <exobuzz> i must be very careful with this new pc. in the past i have managed to put an atx power in the wrong way round. no idea how much strength i used for that.. might have been alchohol involved
[23:11] <amarcolino> I use flash a lot of sites do that's why I block them and only allow what I want to see
[23:12] <ali1234> amarcolino: because of video compositing
[23:12] <ali1234> flash that doesn't use video runs ok on linux
[23:12] <hamitron> so the only spec I know for my new pc... must handle 16Gb ram :/
[23:12] <ali1234> of course, 100% of flash websites that anyone actually cares about are video streaming sites
[23:12] <exobuzz> 16gb for ?
[23:12] <ali1234> adobe should just make a video streaming plugin and forget about flash
[23:13] <hamitron> web2.0?
[23:13] <hamitron> ;/
[23:13] <amarcolino> ali1234: is it due to the architecture of the OS? Permissions, etc
[23:13] <ali1234> no
[23:13] <ali1234> it's due to them only having 1 linux developer, and he doesn't understand how to use hardware decoding APIs, instead prefering to cry on his blog about how hard it is...
[23:14] <hamitron> sounds like UT3 linux dev :)
[23:14] <ali1234> the funny part is he has enough time to respond to the troll comments there, but when someone points out exactly why he is wrong in a calm and technically accurate way he is strangely silent
[23:14] <amarcolino> ali1234: have to ask how would you know this, really one linux developer?
[23:14] <ali1234> i know this from... reading his blog
[23:15] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS, I think I might know what's causing my problems
[23:15] <Azelphur> I think it's a race condition because I'm running off an SSD
[23:15] <ali1234> amarcolino: http://blogs.adobe.com/penguinswf/
[23:15] <amarcolino> ali1234: could I have the link please, thanks you're quick
[23:15] <Azelphur> it usually only happens to apps that open early (gnome panel, nautilus)
[23:15] <Azelphur> and when I restart those apps by killing them, it fixes the theming
[23:15] <Azelphur> so I think gnome-panel and nautilus are loading faster than gnome-settings-daemon and not getting fully themed or something, rofl
[23:16] <exobuzz> if a gnome panel is full of stuff. why cant you access the right click menu..
[23:16] <exobuzz> am i missing an obvious shortcut ?
[23:16] <ali1234> exobuzz: no, that's just how it is :(
[23:16] <exobuzz> weird decision that
[23:17] <exobuzz> i want to add an applet and ive got to move stuff to make space to right click
[23:17] <exobuzz> or close windows
[23:17] <hamitron> HazRPG: what problems you have with socket 1156?
[23:17] <exobuzz> *grumble*
[23:17] <amarcolino> exobuzz: yes it is specially for someone like who uses the panel like a dock
[23:17] <jacobw> docky to the rescue
[23:17] <ali1234> there used to be a "panels" control panel thing but apparently it was "too complicated" because it got removed
[23:17] <moreati> exobuzz: if the window list or the sytem tray (windowisms, sorry) drag the handle a bit and that will make some space to right vlick on
[23:17] <HazRPG> hamitron: it just simply didn't work, I had 3 motherboards and 3 CPU's sent back
[23:18] <exobuzz> docky ? /me looks it up
[23:18] <amarcolino> jacobw: does it need 3d acceleration than this sis vga wont do
[23:18] <exobuzz> moreati, harder to do on a touchscreen though ..
[23:18] <HazRPG> hamitron: the system would power on, but everything appeared life-less - no POST no beeps, nothing
[23:18] <hamitron> hmmm
[23:18] <exobuzz> moreati, jolicloud for example. very hard to add something. in the end i used gconf-editor to make a space
[23:19] <hamitron> HazRPG: I am tempted with this and an i3 http://www.ebuyer.com/product/189292
[23:19] <moreati> exobuzz: gnome panel wasn't designed with a touch screen in mind
[23:19] <exobuzz> another gnome gripe.. i want to move a window on a touchscreen .. quite a tricky one
[23:19] <exobuzz> moreati, thats true.. but then some of the accessibility stuff is only half done.. you can emulate a right click, but not a double click
[23:20] <exobuzz> for example
[23:20] <moreati> exobuzz: I refer the hnourable exobuzz to my previous answer s/gnome panel/gnome/
[23:20] <exobuzz> move a window on a touchscreen when content is out of view.. i mean.. cant use the shortcut keys. easystroke is about the only ay i know of
[23:21] <amarcolino> exobuzz: I read about jolicloud in one of the magazines I buy, haven't tried it, what's your opitnion of it?
[23:21] <exobuzz> amarcolino, looks nice.. ubuntu underneath.. lacks some features
[23:21] <exobuzz> ive been running it on my joggler http://joggler.exotica.org.uk/jolicloud/
[23:23] <hamitron> brb, coffee
[23:24] <amarcolino> why do I keep seeing this websites being posted that just want to make me slap the developer, making everything big does not make an elegant site AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
[23:24] <exobuzz> amarcolino, some annoyances also. im not sure yet how useful the remote application stuff is with jolicloud.
[23:24] <exobuzz> amarcolino, the joggler site ?
[23:24] <Azelphur> amarcolino, http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/AAAAAAAAA!
[23:24] <Azelphur> :p
[23:24] <amarcolino> exobuzz: what do you mean by lacks some features, what's missing, it is supposed to be minimal 'I think'
[23:25] <exobuzz> amarcolino, no working out the box onscreen keyboard, no ability to make shortcuts easily to your own apps etc
[23:25] <exobuzz> the interface is a remote site, and it needs some improvements still
[23:26] <HazRPG> hamitron: well you know yourself better than I do lol
[23:26] <amarcolino> exobuzz: ok, I think I read something about the link issue or it might be the interface for ubuntu on netbooks, it does have something to offer will wait till it matures
[23:26] <exobuzz> amarcolino, was your comment regarding "big" regarding the joggler page btw ? if so, the fonts or ?
[23:27] <HazRPG> amarcolino: that seems like a pretty sound board though
[23:27] <amarcolino> exobuzz: nope, what's the joggle page? Just a site that was posted, I browsed I didn't like it
[23:28] <exobuzz> aah ok.. i posted a link just before you wrote that :)
[23:28] <ali1234> hmm... does anyone know of software that can combine two videos of the same thing into one copy with higher quality?
[23:28] <amarcolino> exobuzz: http://iamaviard.com/site/work-hard/about-us just seems bloated no clue what the site is about
[23:28] <exobuzz> i posted http://joggler.exotica.org.uk/jolicloud/ and then you wrote about sites.
[23:30] <exobuzz> i got worried :)
[23:30] <amarcolino> exobuzz: coincidence!?
[23:31] <amarcolino> exobuzz: if you take the red pill you'll know the truth, if you take the blue your sanity is saved and you're on an irc channel
[23:32] <amarcolino> I dont like the joggler site :p, however, it is quite hard to achieve elegance and neatness
[23:35] <exobuzz> heh. well its supposed to be functional over design.. started as a couple of paragraphs and grew
[23:35] <exobuzz> i would agree its not great looking for sure.
[23:36] <HazRPG> brb
[23:40] <amarcolino> I think I am having one of my grumpy moments on top of that I haven't eaten in five hours, WoW
[23:40] <exobuzz> should get some food and a nice cup of tea!
[23:42] <amarcolino> you should I am this is ridiculous can't stay that long on the comp without eating
[23:54] <Azelphur> MattJ: XMPP \o/. It's misbehaving :( http://pastebin.com/r6EbVSVg
[23:55] <MattJ> XMPP \o/
[23:55] <Azelphur> any idea why it's misbehaving? :(
[23:56] <MattJ> luac -p /etc/prosody/prosody.cfg.lua
[23:56] <MattJ> What does it say?
[23:56] <Azelphur> MattJ: permission denied unless I run it as root, then it says nothing.
[23:57] <MattJ> Prosody doesn't run as root - make it readable by the prosody user
[23:57] <Azelphur> ah
[23:58] <MattJ> If that fixes it I'll see if I can have it show a better error
[23:58] <Azelphur> yea it does fix it
[23:59] <Azelphur> so yea, better error would be a good idea